This New Electric Car Has No Battery and Just Killed Tesla’s Future

[@scottykilmer]

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[@jameswise8870]

Where does any government get subsidy money? From you, the taxpayers! Which means we are paying out the wazoo for EVs.😢

[@Joe-for-You]

@@jameswise8870 James, you've been below the poverty line for decades. You don't pay any taxes.

[@labradoodle5097]

I saw this a few weeks ago. I wondered why the USA automakers didn't think about this. Then I remembered they are the big 3 and don't have to. My next vehicle, if I can ever afford one, will not be from the big 3.

[@Joe-for-You]

@@labradoodle5097 Don't worry - your next vehicle will be a 1975 Corolla.

[@Commenter_42]

This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. All those batteries need to be stored relatively close together. How expensive would that facility have to be to prevent a chain reaction fire of all the batteries? How long would it take before they all finished burning once ignited? How many extra batteries would you need to prevent supply shortages from the expected number of battery swap station fires?

[@johnmiceli8580]

I’ve always been a big fan of battery swapping I thought this was the way to go. And it’s even more attractive the fact that you don’t have to buy a battery. I think the ideal situation would be if you could design a battery pack standard, that fits any car maker

[@videoviewer2008]

The cost implications of a standard module that could be competitively built is huge. Eliminate the requirements for proprietary packs. Imagine, what if emergency services could drop the battery and pull off the chassis during Rescue. Huge improvement.

[@petermadany2779]

The trend is flashlights is going the other direction, much more focused on adding USB-C charging ports for batteries sealed inside compared to using standard size batteries. For those flashlights that still have replaceable batteries, the types and sizes of batteries is proliferating.

[@Roman-re1yg]

Thats exactly why in the past week NIO has partnered with Changan and Geely ( Volvo/Polstar/Lotus) just to name a few. Companies are starting to line up to use NIO's swap network. China is pushing to standardize battery swapping.

[@dr123hall]

Swap batteries concept was my provisional patent application in 1998. This is still, in my opinion, a superior power replacement concept. The big advantage besides time savings, is reducing power line dependence.

[@johnmiceli8580]

@@videoviewer2008 this could be easily overcome if the government funded a program creating a national standard battery pack.

[@freetolook3727]

Back in 2012, we rented a Toyota Camry hybrid. It kept up with highway traffic, did not need to be plugged in and got 43 mpg even while sitting in traffic jams. Every time you stepped on the brake, the battery got recharged through regenerative braking. The four cylinder gas engine didn't start until you went over 40 mph which means that while driving around town you didn't use any gas.

[@ImprobableWizard]

Worst Tesla does 120 MPGe

[@AlchymicusWizardikus]

My 21 Camry SE regularly gets 44-45 mpg highway.

[@freetolook3727]

I take it the 2021 Toyota Camry is a hybrid?

[@AlchymicusWizardikus]

@@freetolook3727 nope, just the 8 speed with the new aerodynamics and vvti.

[@davidviner4932]

I have 2 diesel convertibles, Audi and BMW, the Audi averages 60MPG and the BMW 53MPG and both pull hard when you want them to

[@BlurryFace-zz2ro]

I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk but I do get tired of KZbin videos that say "Toyota just killed Tesla" or "Tesla just killed so and so" or "This new electric motor is a game-changer" and you get there and its just theory.

[@rrabun]

Well it definitely has a battery

[@DrPhillGoode]

Actually, you buy the car without the battery. You rent the battery. This is a much more logical concept than the regular car/battery deal. Imagine pulling into a station and spending 10 minutes to swap batteries instead of 30 - 60 minutes to charge your car. The main downside would be getting enough stations.

[@markandash2009]

Still has a battery, it has 2 as there’s a 12v too!

[@Jarrettfan]

make the battery smaller just enough to run 300 miles. makes it lighter and less scary on explosions. Quicker (for Nio) to charge too.

[@ashzole]

@@DrPhillGoodeduhhh this has been done in china and us a success. hot swappable batteries like hot swabbable hard drives do you always believe this guy talking on the video. he is biased you don’t think tesla is well aware of swappable battery. psst tesla is primed for swappable system. look how many charging stations.. duhhhh

[@NothingButSilicone]

@@ashzoleCan a 3rd party swap Tesla batteries in 10 minutes?

[@chuckasualty]

I used to drive an electric forklift at work and I found out quickly that older batteries that show a full charge on the charger only last about an hour. I hope someone is monitoring the health of these batteries because I’d hate to swap out a battery and have it die out after only an hour of driving down the road.

[@videoviewer2008]

Modern battery management can track total power usage and predict performance. Especially with some modern machine learning and statistical data processing it should be reasonably

[@amgineco]

It WILL.. It's CHINESE..

[@TheNigerianPrince404]

lol@@amgineco

[@steve251157]

Nio carries out a health check on all swapped batteries, they also monitor the batteries in all Nio cars, (when charged, how many KW used, how many KM driven, any hard braking/acceleration, max speed and avg speed per journey etc…..) the batteries are refurbished (individual cell pack changed out, unserviceable batteries are recycled. Tech on modern EVs is far ahead of the old lead/acid technology used on fork lift trucks. Even during the swap out they check metrics, a guy in our Nio chat group got a call as he left a swap station asking him to go to a service shop as one retaining bolt had stripped threads.

[@chuckasualty]

@@steve251157 good to know😊 the forklift did use lead acid bateries

[@chrisanderson7820]

This is just like the CHEP pallets model, where the cost & maintenance of batteries is defrayed across the whole of civilisation. You don't have to worry about your battery suddenly dying or only holding half charge or getting a dud battery just like with CHEP as a society we don't have to worry about one wooden pallet getting broken. It might seem weird at first but when you get into truly monster scales of efficiency it removes a massive amount of friction for the user.

[@dava00007]

I have always wondered why they did not have electric cars where they offer "quick swap" to compensate for the long charge times and all the other battery problems. Logistics probably doesn't help, but this is nice to see someone is doing it.

[@Fokkerc1]

The more you plug and unplug something, the sooner loose connections and fires will occur.

[@arcanondrum6543]

Tesla was given millions in Taxpayer money to "develop battery swap". Like the customer deposits on the Cybertruck and the 2nd generation Tesla Roadster, Elon Musk just booked all those millions as "revenue" pumped up the Stock (like it was Doge Coin or Hyperloop) and cashed out his matured Stock Options.

[@Joe-for-You]

Why did you never call on?@@icosthop9998

[@Joe-for-You]

@@Fokkerc1 Experience with your fleshlight?

[@DeA-ln1vu]

@@Fokkerc1 That’s a good point. What if it was held by using magnets? Or would they drain the battery? Still, I don’t like the harms to the planet in the battery production. And it’s still using power, so how much strain is this on a power grid?

[@royt467]

The entire car industry must be so burnt from being SHOCKED almost every other day(according to Scotty)

[@ryanorionwotanson4568]

😂🤣

[@youxkio]

Sure China is more advanced than the US in EV technology. The US will be sailing behind and become a second country worried about its gender games and dealing with Karens and brute traffic police.

[@zeeevans900]

Lol… you read my mind

[@FJB-MAGA]

They still can't recover from being SHOCKED simultaneously by half a dozen manufacturers in a single day when they officially unveiled the water engine. I need a couple of days myself to recover after watching a few videos by Scotty.

[@XenonJohnD]

Nio have been doing this for years. Not exactly new really.

[@RichardFer01]

Nice work, they are able to prevent battery degredation this way. Also the newest battery technology can be applied this way.

[@jasonallemani3350]

i am sure the batteries are being charged and put back in another car. its not like throwing out those d's for another set.

[@Inferno45]

I need gasoline, i cant do electric.

[@OnWisconsin33]

Yeah. 15% degradation after 200,000 miles is a big problem. NOT.

[@randallnelson6695]

They did battery swaps with the first electric cars way back in 1905 or so. It took about 10 to 15 minutes. But gas became cheaper that electric so the electric cars back then never caught on. 😃

[@amarbinay6654]

Yup battery change

[@Boom38119]

The average person doesn't even know that we been had electric vehicles. It wasn't that gas was cheaper it was all about control and monopoly of oil which is why we're here today. The elites didn't want electric vehicles b/c hey cant profit off of it like they can with oil.

[@neotek303]

That and BigOil made sure electric failed... just like JP Morgan torpedoing Tesla's wireless electricity towers.

[@PeterWilliamson-nn9et]

In California they had an electric street car that stretched from the N to the S of Calif, Rockefeller bought the politicians , tore out the track and replaced them with diesel buses.

[@jimiMachendrix]

It was Rockefeller that stopped development of the original E cars with his political bullying.

[@bradlewis3719]

In 1983, I learned Taylor-Dunn, a maker of electric utility vehicles for over 70 years, had implemented battery swapping in some of its models so they could be used around the clock. I have often thought this might be a possible solution for the EV auto market. Great job of presenting the pros and current cons of this approach.

[@johnfranchina84]

To best of my knowledge, Taylor-Dunn EVs use lead acid batteries and not 1000’s of Li small batteries ie 1000’s of dangerous weak links “soldered” together.

[@flouisbailey]

Do they explode as well?

[@robertkubrick3738]

Buy some NIO stock then. it's $5.79 because they are going out of business.

[@chrissmith2114]

I would not be happy to buy a new EV and then swap the battery for a much older one of unknown history.......

[@chrissmith2114]

@@johnfranchina84 Average EV battery has about 7000 small cells, that means 14,000 electrical connections - what could possibly go wrong ?

[@OTPulse]

A lot of people seem to not understand the cars can still be home charged as well as charging stations, the battery swap is in addition to other options. You only have one main option for diesel/petrol/Gas and that is a station pump. These swap stations will mainly be used by taxis, delivery service providers and the occasional road trip. Ones in cities i would hope have more swap bays and packs to deal with ppl with no home charger capabilities.

[@judge724]

I love these mini documentary videos Scotty, thanks!! I wish they could agree on one or a couple standardized batteries for all cars to swap! Bigger cars or trucks could use 2 or 3 of the standard ones!!

[@edwardanthony7283]

Good idea if there are enough stations close enough to avoid breakdowns & also if there are enough batteries to keep up with the swaps!

[@edwardanthony7283]

@@zippydastrange Interesting point

[@dennisconroy3459]

Scotty have a look at the Chinese BYD car manufacturer. They have the most luxurious SUV in the World- no other country,, car manufacturers cannot match or better it. The SUV is the BYD Yang Wang U8 it is really an eye opener. KZbin have a video explaining this BYD Yang Wang U8.

[@jungojerry1658]

Battery swapping sounds like a great idea - IF - they have enough stations all around the country. But in whole, I'm still not sold on EV's in general.

[@Jkl62200]

Come to China or Norway. You might solidify your position.

[@surferdude4487]

Three things I don't like about battery swapping: 1) The potential of serious damage to your vehicle if some minimum wage employee botches the job. 2) You don't own the battery, meaning that you pay a subscription fee to use the vehicle that you supposedly payed for. 3) If the business that does the swapping decides to no longer support your vehicle or goes out of business, you now own a brick. Even if Tesla disappeared today (slightly more likely than me winning the lottary because I son'don't waste my money on tickets) you could still charge your car at home or any outlet. IMO, battery swapping is just one more way for the company that sold you the car to keep on proffiting from you as long as you drive.

[@Jkl62200]

@@surferdude4487 1) I think it's fully automated with the staff just pushing a button or two 2)in fact letting them maintain the battery is better, no? The operational parameters of the batteries would be presumably more optimal, especially as your EV gets older or more kms in it.

[@surferdude4487]

@@Jkl62200 I fully expect the newest generation of Tesla batteries to last about a million miles. In the mean-time, Neo owners will be paying a subxcription fee to use their own cars. Any advantage you think you might gain by renting your battery is based on FUD that BEV batteries last only 10 k miles and have to be replaced at a cost of $23k. The fact is that unless you damage your battery, it will last longer than your car.

[@OTPulse]

​@surferdude4487 they can also be charged at stations and at home. How do you drive the EV out of the swap station without a battery? You didn't think that one through much. The damage potential, sure valid concern but it not regular cars are immune to damage. As for the subscription, I would hope it's an optional service with various plans for how often you can battery swap +charge for the new battery. Cheaper plans might only allow 15 swaps a month at say $20sub monthly $40 battey swap, higher plans offer more swaps at cheaper swap cost. But how ever they do the swaps, it better than we got now.

[@musicsavage707]

Another huge question that he didn't discuss in this video but he does in others on EVs is environmental implications of battery manufacture and disposal after they reach end of life. Great video Scotty, you're one of the best contributors on YT!

[@musicsavage707]

YT keeps removing my reply but quick search confirmed they are recyclable; however, at an extremely high cost and currently only 4% are being recycled

[@drwisdom1]

This video is about battery swapping even though you want a discussion about carbon emissions and battery making/disposal.

[@nio3211]

This video should talk about geely and chengen who joined in with nio on battery swapping. Volvo lotus smart, and Ford owns a good chunk of geely I believe

[@steve251157]

Nio, refurnishes batteries by replacing defective/deteriorated cells, minimising waste. The scrap parts are recycled.

[@ggooda]

@Scott-cc4wl Tesla can remotely monitor the batteries in their cars. When I asked the support team a question, they could pull all data and compare to the rest of the fleet, and it reported a normal status. This problem is solved by Tesla. It's a mobile 4G data terminal, that's why you can stream the security cameras while the vehicle is parked.

[@yojimbo3681]

I still remember 20 years ago GM introduced the "skateboard" concept. Where you would only purchase the bottom chassis, including the battery pack and wheels, of the vehicle, and then you can swap out the top portion which included the seat arrangements, the hood, head lights, outer design, everything else. Interesting idea, would've loved to see that concept again.

[@DevRSVR]

I hadnt come across that myself but it certainly sounds like a radical idea and something that could work. Will look it up.

[@mnhsty]

Even had a choice of engines/motors, including turbine or fuel cell.

[@ItsMe-ic7on]

My dad retired there in January of 2000 never said anything to me about them even talking about it

[@mnhsty]

@@ItsMe-ic7on It’s a big company with a lot of programs. But I’ve seen one in a local car museum.

[@chrissmith2114]

Cars have been like that for a long time now, The underframe of a vehicle is the most difficult to design and build, this means the underframe is used across many models and just the passenger compartment changes. For instance the Golf and Audi A3, as well as maybe mid-sized Skoda / Seat will share the same underframe. A ford Focus and a Volvo V40 share the same underframe....

[@StevensonCemetery]

At my old job this is what we did with the forklifts. Slide out the battery and charge it and slide in a charger battery and keep on working.

[@shanecorby2]

I think the battery swap idea is awesome and is the way to go. I'd buy the car that does battery swapping over one that doesn't swap.

[@daleredmon8111]

Your comment is an important selling point. Madison Ave, take notice!😮

[@robertkubrick3738]

Buy some NIO stock, don't let their going out of business stop you. The stock is only $5.79, down from $7.

[@geoh7777]

Maybe battery swiping will become as popular as catalytic converter theft.

[@coz2j69]

@@robertkubrick3738 NIO also makes phone and semi-conductor chips , unlike to go out of business

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@coz2j69 No company with $5 stock price is likely to stay in business long term.

[@wrightnash]

The only challenge with a massive rollout of EVs is charging infrastructure

[@Roman-re1yg]

In the past week 2 of the biggest Chinese car manufactures have partnered with NIO for use of their swapping tech going forward. Some of these brands are Geely/Volvo/Polstar/Lotus and many more. NIO is in talks with 2-3 more companies right now. Swapping along with super charging together is the future. Swapping is just another option and the benefits go way beyond just replenishing the pack. Every NIO owner will have the ability to get the latest battery technology in their 5/7/10 year old car with a 2-3 minute battery swap. If you want an upgraded battery with ANY other brand you will have to purchase a new car. China is standardizing battery swapping and NIO has the tech to do it. If I had the choice to purchase a car that can only charge or one that can charge and or swap, its a no brainer. NIO will be a global monster company. Thanks for the video!

[@bosskey23]

NIO will have trouble selling in the US. Since US and China relations are going sour and China will basically subsidize/dump those cars in the US market.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Is that why NIO stock price has DROPPED from $7 to $5.79 USD? Because they got help?

[@jeffreyrudolph5061]

Solves many problems. The biggest is resale .

[@pcdeflopes]

"If you want an upgraded battery with ANY other brand you will have to purchase a new car." not true: I upgraded from a 85 kWh battery to a 90 kWh battery and did not have to buy a new car

[@Roman-re1yg]

@@pcdeflopes haha ok but what did you pay? And did it happen in 3 minutes? And can you do it again in 5 years at no cost other than a monthly subscription fee??

[@Ranbo5]

Nice video, Scotty. As someone who owns an electric car - but not a garage - I have always liked the battery swap idea, and I'm pretty sure the technological challenges could be overcome if companies got together with a standard. Hope Nio makes it (to profitability). Maybe they can license out their swap tech with other mfgs. (ala NACS)

[@NIOFAN001]

They just signed in Nov 2023 Changan Automobile ,Geely Group Automobile and NIO signed the partnership agreement on battery swapping

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@NIOFAN001 The infrastructure is too expensive.

[@NIOFAN001]

@@mrgurulittle7000 65,000 swaps a day for now.... do the mate 30-50 yuan/swap + electricity cost

[@gentillydanny]

I agree. Standards have to be agreed upon, liability issues resolved.

[@stephenwinter8892]

Will NEO come to north america it would definitely do well here in Canada greetings and thanks for the presentation happy new year 🎉🎉

[@alandeutsch9987]

it would but can't due to tariffs and hostile political environment

[@bertwinn2321]

Great video but still think the hybrid is the way to go. Self charging cars that never need plugged in. :)

[@Joe-for-You]

You could use an ESL class.

[@Winterstick549]

​@Joe-for-You Maybe he's from a non English speaking country.

[@Kurtdog63]

Vehicle battery exchange kind of reminds me of buying a printer. You pay 49 dollars for the printer and they charge you 39 dollars for the ink cartridges. Bunch of people bought EV's under guise of free battery swap, and now they are forced to pay for the battery swap at the mercy of their vehicle manufacturer. Guessing it requires a battery only made by THAT EV company so they will have you over a barrel. Kind of like buying a car and the only place able to service or fix it, is the car dealer...

[@northdakotaham1752]

Buy their car....that got you by the short hairs. You're hooked.

[@Joe-for-You]

Did you mean "they got you"? @@northdakotaham1752

[@daniel_trang]

The alternative is pay for a battery upfront which is like $15k. And if you battery has issues it will cost another $15k to fix.

[@anythingoriginal]

Seen how the printing industry is doing now that everyone car print their own cheap?

[@SyncF]

@@daniel_trangthe alternative is gas, EVs are dogshit

[@cblizz730]

Solid-state battery technology will phase this out like HD DVD.

[@VENGADOR007]

This swapping system is an excellent way to go specially in crowded cities like London, you did forget to say that NIO just entered in partnerships with big players Geely, Changan Auto and more to come

[@djtaylorutube]

Not really. Unless there's a battery swap station around every corner, the delay driving across the city to the swapping station would FAR exceed a rapid charge. Anyone who has driven across London knows just how long it takes to go a couple of miles.

[@marvenlunn6086]

How will they find the room for battery swapping stations? You will need a lot of batteries at these swapping stations

[@tommy_egan]

@@marvenlunn6086 Actually you might not need a lot of batteries per swap station. The swap stations recharge the batteries that have been removed from cars. With DC fast charging modern EVs can charge up to 80 percent in 30 minutes and full charge in an hour. If we allow each battery 60 minutes to get to full capacity and each battery swap takes 5 minutes then a battery swap station only needs 12 batteries to provide continuous service.

[@marvenlunn6086]

@tommy_egan who could afford to run a battery swap station that could only swap 12 a hour except in a rural community , think about gas stations and how many cars can fuel up at the same time equipment needed to swap batteries in multiple cars would take up a lot of room also fast charging is harder on the batteries so you don't really want to do it unless you really need to

[@Robert-ky5ks]

@@djtaylorutube you can charge it as any other car .... but you have option of swap... and you will never have a battery that is less and less capble over the years... win win

[@Redact63Lluks]

You don't throw away power tools cause the one battery it came with doesn't charge anymore.... Why they thought cars should work that way is beyond me.

[@presinald]

Because if anyone buys into it then they get to possibly sell you another car....that's pretty much it more profit less problem-solving for them

[@iamthecheese2737]

Not exactly a comparative statement. You can get new batteries for your EV if the battery goes bad (or even have bad cells replaced), so no, your EV is not junk because the battery died. On the other hand say your tool battery dies but the tool is fine. You toss the battery and go get a new battery only to find out a new battery is same as a new tool and battery combo pack, or even just slightly cheaper $10-$20 less. Would you still just buy the battery and take it home to your used and quite possibly abused tool that might break anyway in a few months? Or opt to get the new warrantied tool and battery combo for the same price or just a few dollars more? Of course like with anything, products are always being redesigned and changed so there's no guarantee that new battery will work with your old tool and charger, meaning your have to upgrade and replace anyway. Or even better. The old battery design is still available but again the costs is on par with the newer designed battery\tool combo? It's called planned obsolescence, and every manufacturer does it from EVs to tools.

[@hoffinger]

Comparing tool batteries to car batteries is not a good analogy. Car batteries are designed to last decades. CATL now offers a 15 year warranty or one million miles. Swapping is only necessary for fast charging not longevity.

[@hoffinger]

The 4680 is made in Reno. It is 20% better not what you claimed.

[@joejones6968]

@@iamthecheese2737 , Very well said. You sir are a Gentlemen and scholar!!

[@miguelfloriano9039]

That's the only way i'll buy an EV.. the swaps are golden.

[@tammysimons4916]

If I could get the car cheaper without a battery and do battery swapping for a reasonable price, I might consider an EV. I think hybrids make more sense though.

[@ImGettingOld911]

I agree with you on that. EV's are still in their infancy. They are not where they should be. They need to solve the battery issue. They should be pushing hybrids more.

[@pastoryoda2789]

Tammy you don't have money for an EV

[@normantubb4980]

I've had a Tesla Y for 5 months and been to a supercharger once for 10 minutes (bathroom break and got a coke). All the rest of the time I park in the garage and plug it in. No need to stop anywhere else or get gasoline odors on my hands or clothes. I love it.

[@kadmow]

- you are very fortunate to be amongst the demographic whose commute involves short trips (less than a full battery per round trip) and access to home charging. - For persons like you, a swappable battery appears unnecessary - unless there arose a problem, whereby your battery may be out of warranty, developing a fault (bad cell, or loss of range), then being able to swap it out for a rapid replacement - and have the old battery discarded - the constituents recycled - or reconditioned for future use. If the swap function were never used, having access to the potential "upgrade service" would not have to increase your dailystress levels at all (it could well be developed as a user chooses, user pays system - with insurance option).

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@kadmow NIO going out of business because it was a bad idea. You can buy NIO stock for $5.79.

[@garysmith1234]

100% agree. Why pay a monthly fee and swap when you can charge at home. Makes sense when you live in a densely populated area without garages like China.

[@munzurharck368]

This is the best solution. The problem is all those car manufacturers that are against that. Nio really is great. That is the only way I would ever buy an EV!

[@jaydeases]

Scotty Kilmer. The Original American Treasure.

[@patrickvolpe7508]

Nicely researched, well done video. I think the ongoing innovation and troubleshooting of the whole EV business is a good thing.

[@JeremyMN]

I Think Stirling Engine Electric Heatercoil Hybrids Could Be Worth Looking Into🤔 Weither The Stirling Engine To Just Generate Electricity To Recharge Battery While Driving That Powers Electric Motors Or The Stirling Engine To Do That Minus The Electric Motors and Power A Drive Shaft To Propel The car at The Same Time As Charging The Battery Back Up🤔👍

[@raffimanion1469]

Thanks Scotty , great idea, but leaves a lot of questions. Obviously cost is a major concern for economic feasibility; battery design would have to be standardized but may not be compatible with cooling systems of different EVs which presently limits battery swaps to s single manufacturer, and there is the big problem of electricity availability, etc.

[@NSUScooter]

Cost wouldn’t be a concern if batteries were standardized. In fact, that would lower the cost of EV’s dramatically because cars wouldn’t come with a battery. Instead, the car would come with a Leased battery. Every time you go to swap your battery, you’re paying for the power used and the temporary rental cost of the battery. Once batteries themselves are a source of revenue, a whole other battery servicing industry will be born which will create jobs. The only thing stopping batteries from being standardized the same way Petrol is, is greed.

[@waywardwest]

Japan was testing this type of vehicle and infrastructure when I was stationed there back in 2004. I think this is really how America gets EV to go mainstream. It would require to retool our current gas stations to be battery swap stations. No more long waits for charging. It would be similar to filling up your car with gas now. It eliminates range anxiety and whole host of concerns when deciding to buy an EV. Id still opt for a gas vehicle but this way is better than the current solution.

[@vikingnj6731]

Average home in the US uses 26kw per day, to charge the average EV car battery once on a fast charge requires on average 300kw. First thing that HAS TO BE DONE is upgrading the electrical infrastructure and power supply. From some estimates I have heard to accomplish this would be in the range of 400TRILLION.

[@samk2266]

whats even better is to just stick with gas stations because it's still way easier than all these other new ideas for powering vehicles

[@samk2266]

@@vikingnj6731 yea, basically every city will need a new nuclear reactor, otherwise it will just mean even more 'burning of fossil fuels' which is supposedly 'bad' and why they are creating all these stupid things in the first place

[@johnmiceli8580]

Easily, overcome, prefab EV stations you just drop them in place and hook up electric to them

[@kadmow]

@@vikingnj6731 - this is another reason why the governments of the world are very happy to encourage the citizens to take responsibility for their own power needs, and install home solar (it alleviates some of that $400T - Global price tag 3B x $5k is 1$5T, that isn't nothing - noting that if 3B households did this it would basically shore-up energy supply globally.).- with an EV in the garage one may take care of their own commuting needs (for 5 day a week workers, a 30kWh home battery will go a significant way to buffering the charge for when the car arrives back home in the evening - ready to slowly decant over the evening and be ready for another run in the morning (or whenever needed).

[@generaclesdey4622]

The Battery swapping started in ISRAEL in 2007, by a company named Better Place. The car was $10K cheaper you didn't need to buy the battery. The Battery was swappable, took about 10 minutes to swap, and you didn't have to worry about battery life. The company went BANKRUPT and buyers were stuck with USELESS CARS, which were repossed!

[@Marco_My_Words]

Battery swapping is a potential solution for EV cars to strengthen their market presence and increase sales. However, it is prohibitively expensive and could bankrupt any company that attempts it. This is likely why Elon Musk hasn't pursued it. Consequently, EVs generally seem inferior to gas-powered cars. I admire Elon Musk and would like to support him by buying a Tesla, but I don't believe EVs have a bright future if someone doesn't come up with a solution. The charging times are too long. Even though I don't drive too much most of the time, when I do want to travel long distances, I can't because I would have to wait for an hour or two for the car to recharge on the way. And if I do use the super-fast charging option, it would degrade the battery life, requiring an expensive replacement too soon. I hope Musk can make EVs more appealing.

[@generaclesdey4622]

@@Marco_My_Words I agree

[@Born_Stellar]

there were EV's in the late 1800's and they had battery swaps back then as well. its an old, old idea.

[@iLoveBoysandBerries]

Yawn

[@justaviewer111]

Battery swapping sounds like a fantastic idea: No more range anxiety, no more long waits, and best of all no worries about battery degredation over time. It's too bad it can't be universal among the manufacturers and models and too bad they're finding some tough logistical hurdles. This might be the one of the very few times that goverment invovment can actually help!

[@CrossWindsPat]

Its exactly what a government that isnt completely run by vulture capitalist would do, effective regulation and modernization and green incentives. The last thing they want is to make their oil overlords angry!

[@sibaraku2023]

Nio started corporate with other car companies in China last year to use the same standard battery and I believe there are a couple of other brands could use the swap station now.

[@henryhonda8408]

Ya with government intervention this would turn into a total disaster! Politicians can't even agree on the simplest little thing so this would be doomed before it even comes close to starting up.

[@CrossWindsPat]

@@henryhonda8408 Im sure corporations will take much better care of us 🤣🤣🤣

[@JeremyBWallace]

​@@CrossWindsPatAt least they don't use extortion to get anything done.

[@warrendonaldson4144]

Battery swap seems like the best EV idea so far. And it really really sucks...

[@Marco_My_Words]

That's what I said from the very beginning. Only a few people will actually want to buy it because you either need to wait an unknown amount of time for your battery to charge or risk damaging your expensive battery with superfast charging adapters, which will still take a lot of time compared to just visiting a gas station and filling up your tank. So, the only viable option I might consider is if the battery is physically switched at a battery pack switching station, allowing you to leave in under five minutes. And those battery pack switching stations also need to be around every corner - at least one every few miles. Otherwise, you will need to drive who knows how long of a distance and use a lot of energy just to charge your car.

[@nickmalone3143]

Scotty is really in love with firetrap EVs...

[@GunnyMac360]

Because gas cars never catch on fire!

[@MRT-co1sd]

He can’t help it, it’s a suicide pack.

[@miltonsosa8732]

Nio, will be the best company on EVs. Thanks for the video Scotty!

[@robertkubrick3738]

NIO is going out of business, stock price fell from $7 to $5.79 in a couple weeks.

[@CarlosGonzalez-xs8sn]

My 2015 has 200k+ miles and hasn’t had a battery swap yet. 😀

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Problem with battery swapping stations is that they have to charge all those dead batteries as fast as they could load the full ones. I’d say Toyota solid state is still the only solution for EV that’ll get me interested. By the way Scotty, good video. I enjoyed it:

[@sweetbread9008]

Their solution will be to have an overstock of full batteries always in supply. This way there will never be a customer waiting for a charge.

[@sweetbread9008]

On a separate note tho. The roads should be rebuilt, so that they have the ability to charge batteries while people are driving. Much like the wireless tech used to recharge an iPhone. They could use solar power with battery banks on the roadsides.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@sweetbread9008But that technology isn’t efficient. You lose like 40% of electricity with wireless charging.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@JO-og5tpI see. Still, this requires a dedicated battery swapping station which is too much more expensive than a charging station.

[@NIOFAN001]

@@mrgurulittle7000 so They are all idots and you are the smart one in the room. > Changan Automobile ,Geely Group Automobile and NIO signed the partnership agreement on battery swapping in Nov 2023

[@MichaelTSmith]

Thanks, I appreciate your well-done video. I'd welcome information regarding Nio's soon coming Alps brand scheduled to come out in '24. I think the Alps EVs having swappable capability along with an inexpensive price tag could seriously give Tesla a run for their money. I'd be interested in your take on that.

[@paulpraino163]

Funny thing is back in the early 1900s. That's exactly what they had ev s that did battery swaps

[@marcosf7554]

Great video! In my opinion battery swap will also die without a standard system for all EV cars.

[@lionelchery2406]

I like battery swap for these reasons: 1) It only takes 5 minutes to swap a battery for a new one. 2) You don't need to leave the vehicle, so your protected from the elements. 3) You don't have to look over your shoulder as you would gassing a ICE vehicle. 4)Lastly, imagine being at home watching a movie, while you send your vehicle out to battery swap. 🤔

[@user-gd6rp5cqp]

Battery swap is genius. India has been doing this also. But I would recommend swap stations have at least one employee/attendant on site in case something not working correctly. Swap stations could also be paired with small convenience store within so clients could get drinks/coffee snacs etc.

[@AmirFazadh]

I heard there was a startup company doing EVs that are powered by banks of AA batteries. Special circuitry monitors charge and if one cell goes dead, it tells you which one, and you would just need to pull into a 7-11 and grab a pack of AA batteries, pull the correct bank, and replace the bad cell.

[@brucebassitt9835]

As an owner of an EV I can tell you that the idea sounds great, however there are so many factors to consider. 1. Each EV brand comes with potentially different battery chemistry and configuration. 2. The battery packs vary from vehicle to vehicle in both size and capacity. 3. Then you need to consider the battery manager system (bms) used varies based on the manufacturer. 4. What if you have a new, fully functioning battery pack and when you swap it out you might end up with a pack that is less fully functional. 5. As stated in this video, each swap station would need to support a huge number of battery packs (including different types to support more than one EV brand). What happens when you pull in to swap your battery pack only to find out that they don’t have any more of your battery pack type available? 6. Trying to get companies to agree on battery chemistry, size, configuration, bms, is going to meet with major headwinds. Since we are watching competing companies demonstrate new technologies and capabilities all the time, how are you going to get them to agree (and then who foot’s the R&D bill?)? Since Tesla established a fast DC charging network early on which has a 99.6% or better availability rate the competitors realized the value and are coming on board. If they also learn how to create better battery management systems they could charge much faster than they can today.

[@iSot80]

You should read more about this system before reply.

[@AnthonyManzio]

Trash to expensive.

[@HumbleBearcat]

I have a few concerns: (1) How do you know the age & condition of the battery that you are being swapt to? If I just bought a brand new car with a brand new battery, I am reluctant to swapt. (2) As battery technology continues to improve and evolve, swapping will create issues unless the batteries stay the same and never deteriate and you know that's not going to happen.

[@anythingoriginal]

id imagine it would be a subscription.

[@juicebokz7743]

I would imagine that new cars would have recycled batteries rather than new ones, since they are meant to be swapped out. And I would imagine batteries that were in bad condition would be taken out of circulation to be refurbished. I think that would lower the price of the new cars since they don't specifically have to make a new battery for each car, and I think that would help with the depreciation since there would be no giant cost to replace an old battery in an EV that isn't meant to swap batteries. I am not an EV guy myself, but as far as their business model I think that would make the most sense.

[@johnmiceli8580]

The car doesn’t come with batteries. Just like when you buy a new car it doesn’t come with gas.

[@haohanshi4377]

1) The batteries are checked once they got swapped to ensure they are in good condition, and the ones that do not meet the standard will be replaced. So all the batteries are new or nearly new. What's better is that you can purchase a small battery for commute and rent a large battery if you want to do long travel, which is very economical. I think it's just a mental thing that may make you reluctant to swap. 2) Super charge will be really difficult even if the battery technology evolves. You have to consider about the pressure to the whole electric system in the cities instead of just the battery. Multiple super charge at the same time would just kill the electric system.

[@eagiuliani9357]

Fun Fact Scotty and for those who wait for Scotty to tell them things: Chicago and New York City had electric vehicle charging stations in the early 1900s for the early electric cars. Then a Cadillac engineer invented the key start electric starter for gasoline cars (no more need to crank the car to start it) and gasoline car sales took off. Back then there were over 100 brands of electric cars in the USA. Ford even had an electric car when he first started out as an industrialist.

[@SuperChewy808]

I thought it did NOT have a battery?! Maybe I’m wrong but I believe they are swapping a battery?! 🤡🤡

[@jimmydavis8954]

You don't "buy" the battery. You buy the car without a battery and then pay a monthly subscription for access to swapping batteries. It's interesting because most people are scared to buy an EV because replacing a battery costs upwards of 15-20k but with Nio, just go get another battery lol

[@dcharles131]

Great Job Scotty. This was so informative thank you. Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹.

[@zdenekkindl2778]

Do you still race goats in T & T?

[@franzplagens3277]

Tesla had considered swapping batteries, but came to the conclusion that it wasn't feasible/profitable for Tesla or the customer. It might suit some people like apartment dwellers, but not the average driver in lower population areas. Might be work in high population areas like China.

[@videoj81]

Electronic cars are a great idea , but greedy car companies is what makes it suck . Who can afford these cars , let alone the repairs ?

[@Baka_Oppai]

youre about 10 years late for that argument. Tesla practically giving away cars

[@lorensims4846]

Great video! This is the first time I've heard about battery swapping since Elon Musk demonstrated it ten years ago. Back then, Tesla was still most of the market, so standardization wasn't so much of an issue. I really like the idea, but it sounds expensive. We've only recently barely standardized the charging plugs. Standardizing batteries would require separating the battery manufacturers from the automakers. That way the automakers would have to build their cars around the battery instead of developing everything custom for each model. Keep us posted. I really like the idea of an electric car, but I'm not convinced they're really ready for prime time yet.

[@triadalexb4872]

Less expensive.

[@henryhonda8408]

Can you imagine swapping batteries in -30 temperatures. 😂😂😂 Total pipe dream!!

[@ReubenAStern]

I heard about this a few years ago. Nice to know the idea works and it's still going.

[@thomasmerrill3585]

great first start in quick info about nio. I have done hundreds of hours of research on nio great job but the hundreds of small fact points on this company is mind blowing keep up the great work!

[@schechtere]

Nio's stock down by almost half over the last year. And they've been doing this for a few years. Might be a good idea, but doesn't look to be the wave of the future. (Another benefit: most of the battery charging could occur at night or when electricity is cheaper and more available -- this would require less of a national power grid expansion than the plug in model).

[@kadmow]

- OR charge in the daytime, when there is a surplus of Solar and wind on the grid and prices go negative.... (either/ or, arbitrage is a key business aspect).

[@kingmike40]

If you look up the stock price for NIO you would find that the company is hang on by a thread and does not make any money.

[@Worldofourown2024]

Brilliant idea on how to do EV's. Battery service should be included with the car so drivers can understand cost to operate and be on the road in a jiffy. Battery swap servicing also allows an EV to be driven it's full lifespan instead of being scrapped over unaffordable battery replacement.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Except NIO is going out of business. Stock price $5.79 and falling.

[@Worldofourown2024]

@@robertkubrick3738 I never heard of that Chinese EV company. Does it make batteries or something for international Western markets such as the US?

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@Worldofourown2024 Did you watch the video? NIO was the absolute best at battery swapping. The cars were $60k+, plus the battery subscription. Plus they are going out of business even after the billions dumped down the garbage disposal. It was a smart move to sell them in a cool country like Norway because you can't build a robust cooling system for the battery into the pack for lack of room and connecting it to a cooling system in a vehicle at every swap would be a nightmare.

[@Worldofourown2024]

@@robertkubrick3738 Norway and other European countries are really cool countries indeed. OK, we don't have battery subscription yet in America. I know a guy who has a 6 year old Tesla Model X which has a dying battery. While the car still runs great, he has to somehow pay around $13,000 to keep it going. OK, the AC compressor in a Tesla also cools the battery and then there's battery warming for Winter. While not designed to swap out, they could be designed to conveniently swap out. Maybe in the future EV's will be smarter? And maybe I too will become smarter about how they work? Maybe America will become smarter too when it comes to the economics side of things preventing many of us from thriving well? I hope on all those.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@Worldofourown2024 Actually, people are getting to know BEV and I don't think they will be a problem as soon as the government Grants and Subsidies stop flowing. BEV will just crawl off and hide in the corner in the US and it looks like the EU may not have time or the will to continue pushing them. My cousin James has had a model S for 10 years, hardly driven and back to tesla at least twice a year for problems. I made the mistake of loaning him a decent Volvo S60 and I had hell getting him to give it back, he was still driving it two weeks after he got the S back. I finally told him to buy it at book value or give it back and he reluctantly gave it back. The next time his S needed to go back to tesla he asked to borrow it again and I said no.

[@nicolaspinto2927]

Battery swapping makes more sense in the long run, especially if it becomes something the end user is capable of doing like traditional car batteries in ICE vehicles. I know standardisation is a taboo for automakers but if the battery were to become standardised it would go a long way in relieving some of the issues with swapping. The only other long off silver bullet is once atomic cells are actually built that are both road-safe and effective. A twenty or even ten year battery that doesn't need recharging/maintenance or swapping would be ideal towards the venture of replacing ICE vehicles. For the majority of people who still only drive a vehicle for four to six years before replacing it, that would be the best. But back in reality, swapping rather than charging sounds like the better way to go or even have cars equipped to do both.

[@jacklouie8096]

Why not use a generator instead of batteries

[@deemont8838]

@@jacklouie8096 Because a generator uses gas. It defeats the purpose of buying an EV. Might as well buy an ICE car. It's already been done and it called a hybrid.

[@sigacious]

i though of this idea for semi trucks. i think it’s a step in the right direction, to address the major issue plaguing EV’s. people who say they flat-out don’t like them have probably gotten passed by one on the highway. SHWOOOM

[@MackWaring]

Amazing everybody with a cell phone is an EV expert without ever owning an EV WOW!

[@Joe-for-You]

Well, they believe Scotty is a car expert.

[@bradgraystock5966]

Speaking of cell phones, Samsung had swapable batteries and now they don't.

[@user-nl1pg1pf5i]

I am waiting to buy a NIO or two whenever they are available in the USA. Why, I want to be part of that extraordinary user experience, amongst owning an amazing product full of technology and NO range anxiety. While most EVs depreciates, NIO EVs appreciates because of their battery swap model, of which is truly a REAL GAME CHANGER in the electric vehicle industry. GAMEOVER!!!

[@jo4285]

If we had battery swaps available at designated areas for road trips then that would be a win for me to buy an EV vehicle.

[@luckyrYtArd]

Changing a battery is so much easier than making a battery with more efficient lighter and faster on charging. Think about this, 10 years ago phones, laptops, gaming devices etc all have interchangeable batteries and now they are all gone.

[@lcfflc3887]

Nahh, the permanent battery also makes sense, it's like fulling up your gas thank, they need to bring it down to at least 20mn for another 350 miles

[@elgar6743]

Each station does NOT, "...have to store hundreds of batteries', SHEESH...20 batteries, or so, are plenty. Remember, the discharged battery collected WILL GET RECHARGED in less than 1 hour....a 3 minute battery swap means that each station can 'handle' some 20 swaps per hour....ERGO, each station only has to keep some 20 batteries in rotation. BASIC math + BASIC logic was not applied to that statement, clearly.

[@theequaliser420]

There is no way they will be able to expand worldwide with all these swap stations, people in the west won't buy Chinese cars

[@fez877]

Easy fix. Just some data to show which timing have higher traffic and enable fast charging to the stored battery to recharge within mins and ready for the swap.

[@inasuma8180]

why so hostile over it

[@ymcpa73]

Do you notice a problem there? If you have a line of cars, the first 6 will be out of there in under 18 min. The rest will wait about the same amount of time as just charging the car. So, you would need more swapping stations than gas stations. With EVs, a large percentage are charged at home. So, you would need less charging stations and less overall batteries.

[@elgar6743]

@@ymcpa73 Seems that you missed the memo: NIO vehicles can be either charged via regular means AND can also utilise the 'battery swap' stations...you have a choice...whichever is more convenient.

[@ELXABER]

It can work in China because it's still being developed and has cheap labor. The problem with the US and much of Europe is the infrastructure is pre-existing and already antiquated unable to catch up to the electric revolution. If they are going to rebuild a new infrastructure, they might as well do wireless electric roadways and battery-free cars.

[@roberthollis4143]

Now you're talking. I read though most of this long list of comments, and none approached the possibility of wireless electric roadways, which by the way are already being tested. Government controlled pricing (that includes all of us voters) to keep pricing reasonable. You see the Chinese government commitment to make huge projects doable.

[@ELXABER]

@@roberthollis4143 I know, and the whole solution to the EV problem is to remove the battery. Not just safety and distance but cost. You need new electric infrastructure to support the energy draw estimated at a +30% net increase, so you might as well include it in the roadways. Could also work on EMP shielding the new energy infrastructures so it's built to hold up to EMP or Carrington events. You'd have to start in cities and branch out over 20 years but that's how infrastructure replacement goes. I would tie travel and energy together also and incentivize the auto industry through payments of infrastructure/energy use back to them, so the system is incentivized to get people to travel, not stay home.

[@trpicalviking]

Gogoro has been doing it with scooters in Taiwan for many years. Now it is powering other brands also (Yamaha included) and has expanded a lot in Asia, including India and China.

[@ggooda]

The battery exchange was ruled out by Tesla a long time ago... It takes about 5 minutes to swap out a battery, and it only takes 15-20 minutes to recharge my Tesla model 3. By the time I've used the bathroom and got a coffee, my car is ready to go again. The newer models are looking at 7 minute charge times. I think this is a redundant and unneeded concept especially in the next few years with solid state batteries. Even my standard electrical plug charges my car 190KM per night, so I only ever need a super charger on interstate trips. Any subscription model will ultimately cost more in the longer term, which is why tech companies love subscription models.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Battery swapping is unnecessary and extremely expensive with thousands of batteries hanging around waiting to be swapped. That is a huge cost. Furthermore it is not at all good for freedom of car design.

[@fromthelab258]

wow you just said what the guy said in the video amazing

[@gsilva220]

Having to wait while your car turns the electricity you put into it into something else isn't convenient either.

[@dibblesdva]

What a ridiculous comment.. one of the main reasons from an owners perspective not to buy an EV is because of battery anxiety as in driving the car to a destination where you would have to recharge at a station and not knowing where or if you will be in a cue of cars awaiting charge and how long you will have to wait, with this car it's as quick as refueling normally . With this system you would not require a massive undertaking for the required power infrastructure to be built allowing great amounts of electricity for the thousands of cars requiring a charge as the cars battery's are recharged and awaiting vehicles. One of the other main drawbacks of EVs is when the batteries come to the end of there life or have dead cells the vehicles worth will be virtually nothing, thus adding to a loss of value as the car is used, as the car gets older and closer to a magic number its value will deteriorate greatly, with this system again the vehicles will not lose value as the batteries can be swapped. So now the main problems left will be: 1. Can you still charge at home. This is a main reason for buying a EV making travel low cost. This article mentions neo will make a monthly charge I don't think that will work because if you do not use the vehicle that much it will make the car an expensive option for the user. 2. What do we do with the thousands of dead batteries, burying them is not an option,they will have to make a battery which can be dissembled with no harm to the environment. If these problems are addressed and you can charge at home and the battery swaps are comparable to a full charge at a station it would be a lasting system which I never thought ide say

[@Winterstick549]

​@dibblesdva Excellent point about selling, or buying used.

[@Winterstick549]

Thousands? As soon as one is removed its plugged in to be charged for another car. It's also tested for voltage and any current leakage.

[@sailing7seas]

I charge my Bolt 97 percent at home. It cost $4.00 to go 250 summer miles. 180 in the winter. Battery swap would work great if you drive on long trips but most people only drive 40 miles a day. By far the best car I’ve ever had.

[@ackerrj]

Renting the battery as a service is a great idea. Issues: 1. Cost. 2. Warranty, do they maintain them well? 3. What if you get a bad one? 4. Who is liable if you have a battery fire? 5. Who is liable if you damage one from road debris? Lots of questions.

[@NativelyBornAmerican]

The biggest issue I see with battery swapping, from my perspective, is that I’m letting go of my pristine battery for a battery that could be nearing the end of its useful life. Of course, I could just swap it again when it runs low. But how many miles will I get on any given battery? New battery gets top mileage, but I could end up on the next swap with one that only nets me 61% of the typical range, for example. So there would have to be some sort of rating system that would charge you less for de-rated batteries.

[@kadmow]

- the point being, that you don't OWN a battery - in a swapping regime, you get a pristine battery with a health report / QA docket for every swap (potentially) - that $20k 5 seater EV car is a reality, once the "battery not included" - is a reality... Who knows how it will end up... BetterPlace went by the wayside - because the "majors" - stated - that the massive USA market with driveways and off-street parking, was the future of the whole industry.....

[@Royale_with_Cheeze]

A few questions: How close by are battery swap centers and how much will you be charged to swap your battery out? Can you charge your battery at home using your own electricity?

[@G8bigair]

It can be plug 🔌 in like other EV at home or the charging station as well

[@G8bigair]

How much is the cost for swapping the battery? For the Nio owner in Europe is free with the subscription fee program called BAAS which similar to the ink replacement subscription of HP printer 🖨️

[@libsrdum]

Can you imagine the fire at a swapping station if one battery bursts into flame?

[@JuanMelendez-l9f]

Neo EVS can be improved if a high voltage capacitor and roof solar panels are installed. The batteries will be smaller and easier to swap. With the capacitor and solar panels, the Neo EV can run faster and for longer mileage. Thanks

[@CoolSteve77]

I would prefer Scotty's Celica over these. 😅

[@javig5045]

Scotty although I like the idea of buying a electric car the one thing that troubles me is the fact that some of them just burst into flames, how in the hell can this go unsolved, have you any input on this subject?

[@nio3211]

Nios battery swap stations check each batteries condition when swapped out before recharging if it finds a problem cell it will remove it for repair. China will require batteries tombe checked yearly soon. Battery swap does that for free now

[@russellsmith8444]

Nice try but thermal runaway is still the issue.

[@rune54321]

Very few burst into flames, way more gas cars does - it just doesn't get much attention

[@deemont8838]

@@russellsmith8444 Thermal runaway is potentially problematic on cars that have batteries made with NMC lithium ion batteries. The new technology is LiFePO4 (Lithium Iron Phosphate) or LFP batteries that do not burst into flames like the NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt) lithium batteries. Many car makers including Tesla are using LFP or are in the process of using LFP batteries due to it's inherent safety. Another advantage of LFP batteries is that it can be charged 3X-6X more than NMC lithium batteries and that means that you potentially won't have to change the battery during the entire lifespan of the car. The cost of LFP batteries is less due to the use of less expensive elements i.e. iron and phosphorus instead of manganese and cobalt. There are also environmental advantages to using LFP batteries.

[@CrossWindsPat]

I really don't get the whole charge time issue... If you have a home and can charge overnight, waking up with a full tank of "gas" every morning seems incredible. I dont think the issue is really charge time. Id take more range overcharge time any day of the week, and you get that with cars that use the battery as part of the unibody. Energy density is the real issue. Kudos to China though because if they really go hard on the infrastructure I could see this working.

[@CombatSport777]

Nio was bailed out by the Chinese government when they ran out of money. They aren't profitable and their company currently looks to be heading toward bankruptcy again. Swapping is extremely expensive as there needs to be more than one battery per vehicle (batteries are expensive). The swapping stations are expensuve too (hense the company is burning cash). I think you are way off on this one Scotty. My wife drives a model Y and we absolutely love it. We charge once a week in our garage. We use her vehicle for road trips as it saves us a lot of money and we have never had any issues. As battery tech and charging tech improves, charging time and range will make swapping unnecessary.

[@lv4077]

They’ll get marginally better but that’s all,the physics and expense is a little problem

[@RenoTae]

You see the line of cars in that short ?? So many lined up to charge they ev cars at 11ish pm in Cali. They , the Government, want us to drive these damn things but there ain’t enough chargers for people. I’m glad I nvr got suckered into buying one

[@James-cs2wi]

2000 cars that need the battery changing only one garage😊😊 7 week wait

[@anthonygato407]

maybe an ideal place for this question ... forgive my automotive ignorance but why is it even necessary for an EV to have to be powered by a battery that requires recharging? 1) like in how petroleum cars have alternators that replenish the battery during traveling I wonder what prevented EV cars incorporating a more robust version of the alternator concept. is this possible in at a viable level? 2) theres cameras,ect that get charged from the ambient electricity in the air. could this be done for a supplemental use case at least?

[@Joe-for-You]

Your ignorance is forgiven. Now, go finish your Jello.

[@labornurse]

That would be one huge alternator

[@TB-up4xi]

Yes indeed your ignorance knows no bounds. We have battery cars that need no recharging - they are called hybrids. BEV's already recharge their batteries while slowing down and braking and far more efficiently than the alternator in a petrol car. You would need an area the size of Connecticut to capture enough static to power an EV.

[@bobbydmonkey]

“You will own nothing, and be happy”.

[@Joe-for-You]

You already own nothing.

[@stevenm8503]

I will be happy not owning an EV until they figure out the battery replacement.

[@Baman21]

I was just telling someone that American life is going to be a subscription based model. You don't own anything, just pay a monthly fee. A monthly fee or they will disable your car. Rent for your home. Etc.

[@tvb4227]

Come to Australia! OMG I want to own one so bad.

[@Tipsona]

Easy swap for owners Easy pick for thieves 😂

[@AnthonyManzio]

True too

[@generaclesdey4622]

Somebody has to pay for the Batteries & the facilities & their staff & the owners who need to prosper. You, the customer funds all this - it's NOT free!. The battery you get will always be USED, and in some cases, will not meet the expected distance coverage. The battery may have been abused in a previous can, and may become hazardous!

[@briancole5828]

makes alot of sense when you think about, when your cordless drill battery dies you pop in the backup battery instead of waiting for that battery to recharge.

[@thisislogout]

I'm sick of problems on gas cars: transmission failures, engines burning oil, valve jobs, piston jobs, cracked manifolds, radiator problems, catalytic converter replacements, muffler replacements, belts/hose, clutch replacements, brakes replacements (EVs brakes last 3 times longer), engine running to lean, spark plug replacements, etc, etc. My next vehicle will be EV!

[@31knots50]

All issues avoided by using the correct oil and changing as needed lol

[@TopRetroCommercials]

Get a toyota 2007 corolla. Ive had mine for 250k miles haven't changed a single thing. Engine and tran still running strong.

[@collinsmainoo6148]

Have a toyota camry 2009 with 2710000 and still runs good

[@SuperAtheist]

I prefer a car that doesn't burst into flames and burn down my garage.

[@Joe-for-You]

You don't have a garage. Or a car, either.

[@modquad18]

This is the development I’ve been waiting for! The second a swappable batt vehicle is available in the US, I’ll buy 2. Always thought that how they should have been from the get go.

[@teddynugent2463]

Sounds pretty good for the next generation. Let me die first, then have at it.

[@Joe-for-You]

Go ahead - we're waiting.

[@shadowsiren3058]

How many times does it take to shock the car industry 😂😂

[@MrDmadness]

Till they crap their pants 😂😂😊

[@perniciouspete4986]

Apparently, it happens at least once every day.

[@anthonyberry6769]

2 things- 1st is battery packs would have to be universal with every auto manufacturer. 2nd would be an automated system that can have the ability to adjust to different models of vehicles.

[@tacomafan5186]

They’re just as good as Ford at losing money! 😂😂😂