This "New" RTX 3060 From Aliexpress Was Suspiciously cheap...

This suspiciously cheap RTX 3060 from Aliexpress is one of the more dodgy graphics cards I've looked at in some time. So promosing, yet so dodgy.
The link for this exact card doesn't seem to exist anymore, but here is what seems like a full desktop
one, by the same brand: www.aliexpress.com/item/10050...
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[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

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[@lovemikai]

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[@ashmoore9945]

Thank you for the info. I think most are well aware, but it is nice for you to address this. Stay frosty

[@Xypos]

I knew that the drivers were a bit sus

[@mysteryboyee]

honestly it's actually a pretty nice idea if it were to get done officially, the laptop gpu's could totally be released on desktop as like a low power alternative for those who need the efficiency but still want good performance, it's too bad nvidia would never go for it because they don't believe in making things affordable anymore

[@Alovon]

Honestly would like them to do it, may be a good way to bring back the "5" moniker for cards. RTX 3065 = RTX 3070M.etc As usually the laptop SKUs are equivalent to the desktop tier below due to core count reduction/power reductions, so giving the card better cooling and higher power delivery would allow them to push to the in-between region. So say let's assume, the 4080 Laptop GPU performs more like a RTX 4070, a desktop release of that version of the card could be badged as a RTX 4075

[@ffwast]

Didn't AMD already do that

[@erich6860]

I agree. I would love to replace my 1060, with a 3060 6g mobile for 250 bucks right now.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

You do realize it´s what AMD did with lowend RX6000 GPUs, do you? However, they also killed them, when they did not include video decoding support. Which kinda defeats whole purpose of a lowend GPU. edit: oopsie, did not read the answers. Well, whatever.

[@yasirrakhurrafat1142]

@@WhiteG60 if nvidia made it , father than diy chinese hacksmiths . it would cost much more than even og 3060

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

Wasn’t there a thing about a year ago where people were repurposing laptop GPUs in actual PCIe cards to mine because the laptop chips didn’t have hash rate limiters? If I remember the laptop 3060 actually has more cores than the desktop despite half the VRAM

[@fracturedlife1393]

Yup, I had an embarrassing argument at work where I swore blind nvidia always use a lower SKU in laptops and name it the next tier, but nope, this time Jensen wrecked me with 3060M. Bastid.

[@aleksi2858]

fortnite runned 31fps more than desktop 3060

[@nickbiales]

that's what I remember to

[@justinvanhorne9958]

If you ignore the first more obvious solution, which was the farms that literally had laptops sitting propped open at about 30 degrees facing down. why rip it apart when it runs just fine as is? Yep, they were absolutely doing that you are correct sir. This was why certain laptops were released but you could never buy them. Optimal mining conditions, (memory, core speed, etc) models would be snatched in pallets much like the GPU's. By the way, I have a friend who does water balloon collaborations, would you be interested in a collab?

[@yeti4269]

I didn't even know that was a thing, and yes you're right, the laptop version has 3840 Cuda cores, while the desktop sits at 3584

[@markkocsicska2590]

I'm actually quite impressed with the engineering. If only they were honest and disclosed what they are selling in the listing AND made the drivers open source, I could see people being interested. The performance wasn't bad at all.

[@seanfaherty]

I don’t think they want anybody looking at those drivers

[@markkocsicska2590]

@@seanfaherty Most likely you are right.

[@eximdpd6077]

To sum up, I think the seller don't know about technical stuff, and the one who know tech stuff cannot speak english. This kind of card has a huge domestic market I don't think they need to trick you for any reason.

[@seanfaherty]

@@eximdpd6077 you don't need to speak english to let me look at the code

[@serialchiller6786]

@@eximdpd6077 probably it's made by Chinese government to spy on people

[@lollermann]

8:43 imagine getting quickscoped by a guy doing a tech review

[@txn775]

This AliExpress graphics cards makes a huge success here in Brazil, and we have a full community of this cards with "techtubers" and users who make review of this cards. This 6GB 3060M is not recommended here, but we can buy some real good gpu (like a real 3060, 3070) for literally half a price in comparison with the Brazilian market.

[@UmaPessoaQualquer9]

Sheli official store it's one of the most reliable sellers for this graphics cards. Só na espera do 11/11 pra comprar a minha kkk

[@energygameplay6513]

I wish i could upgrade to a 3060.....im stuck on gtx 1060 6gb

[@Carahan]

The limiting factor for the 3060M in a lot of laptops is they tend to get added to "thin-and-light" gaming laptops so the power envelope is really limited compared to what it is capable of.

[@robertanderson5735]

@@energygameplay6513 same..I'm still rock I ng gtx 1660 .gets the job done, but I really wanna a 3060. Cuz my psu is 550watt 80 us bronze. I don't wanna upgrade that as well

[@energygameplay6513]

@@robertanderson5735 your psu is fine for 3060 mine is 500 watt but its old psu that came with case cooler master cmp350 so if i upgrade gpu to anything i would have to upgrade psu aswell....

[@NinjaContravaniaManX]

Yep, we're living in a time where a xx60 series GPU for 230$ is "suspiciously cheap". I hope Nvidia's storage facilities are soon "suspiciously full".

[@nicolassepulveda6984]

same, i remember when the prices were half the actual taking as point of reference the minimum salary

[@rgbgamingfridge]

nice joke. all of us better vote with our wallets and not simp nvidia or amd, only then they realise how absurd their pricing is but a lot of weaklings have given in and bought from them in the recent past causing them to believe they can pull it off again

[@doitf3525]

@@rgbgamingfridge I've been stuck with a 3770k 2200 ddr3 and a 1070 for exactly this reason. Even my 1070 was bought used when prices dropped precipitately. The writing was on the wall when they released the titan, I had a room mate who bought one brand new and he literally had it delivered to him by his mom and complained about it not being there quick enough. Nvidia's premium market is fueled by these simple minded consumers.

[@sakusalonen6390]

@@doitf3525 i bought new 6700xt for 439€. Great card w 15-20% more power than 3060. Should last me few years then ill get 6900/7900xt when 8000 series releases and prices drop to reasonable

[@blizzyblob]

@@doitf3525 lmao so all you can play is 1080p at like 80 fps.. some people want to actually enjoy high fidelity gaming. im sorry i guess that youre too broke to pay like 350 for a better gpu?

[@tamegaming1768]

I honestly love the idea of putting laptop GPUs in desktop form factor. Not only potentially salvaging otherwise junk hardware but also with improved efficiency

[@bariscosmaz]

The cause of the driver issue might be that these cards were produced for mining so they might have programmed a mining bios on them that nvidia drivers don't like. Flashing the bios to a real gtx 3060M might be helpful.

[@TheXev]

Interesting idea.

[@castor9907]

I don't think there are mining bioses for Nvidia cards

[@bariscosmaz]

@@castor9907 Yeah for Nvidia cards, the bios must be written via the Nvidia servers but everything is possible in China it seems.

[@Xenogenocide]

@@bariscosmaz Remember there was the Nvidia source code leak not too long ago and the Chinese aren't exactly known to respect copyright laws.

[@bariscosmaz]

@@Xenogenocide I remember it now. This is a strong possibility. They would absolutely do it if they can. You are right.

[@JHXmas9001]

Really makes me wish there were official mobile variants of these for desktop. Would be killer for low profile card builds

[@zabunko]

So laptops?

[@TheAmazingJon]

Oh man the efficiency

[@AlanWGMeraz]

Yeah, we lp users are still stuck with 1650/rx6400

[@kazikokaziko4903]

yeah me too less power drained cpu and gpu less cooling effort more durable less sound more stabilty not everyone need lıyd sport cars if i find from somehwere money i will invested for pc that direction. price goes roof when high watts need it u need much better psu much better cases and cooling lot more electric bill much more problem.60-80 wt gpu and cpus good durable mb lot of people donyt clean up much or dont invested expensive thing or not renewing long tinme. in time all those fan start do sound at high sound 6-12 monrth or even shorter while moslty even they start problem low speed u wont hear them much even 4-5 year later an example milion of milion people playing basic game use social media nad some old ganmes like world of warcraft dont need so good system best of the best look good but not so much diffrence not everyone pro gamer low profile and cheaper but enough power cards always welcomed but some users like me.

[@mikeymaiku]

@@kazikokaziko4903 you should see the "laptop" cpus converted for 1151 motherboards... people got mad at intel for thier firebreathing 10th gen intel chips..... these laptop cpus like the qqls /qtj1 can run 5ghz 8c/16t on a laptop chip that is supposed to run 45ish watts stock.... but they can pump out 200w if the motherboard has the vrms to handle it D:

[@thenoblehacker9111]

due to the power draw and performance, somehow the ali express card was better than the real deal. wow

[@loowick4074]

Shows the state of nvidia where even dodgy Alie express sellers give you a better deal haha

[@Chaos_-_]

@@loowick4074 that dodgy gpu is still an nvidia gpu at its core tho 😅

[@STORMFIRE07]

@@loowick4074 that’s pretty much how the market has set itself tho, the highest binned chips of a particular die go into the Workstation cards like the A4000 etc, the the second best binned goes to laptops cuz they all have small chassis so higher binned = greater efficiency, and the last ones go to desktop cards

[@cunnyman]

Uhhh, that’s because desktop chips are essentially poorly binned mobile chips. Very efficient bins go to laptops while crappy ones are turned into desktop chips. That has always been how they make processors and GPUs. How did you think a 3070 for desktop draws 200w power alone while the laptop variant (non MaxQ) draws a third of that and offer only slightly less performance?

[@Chaos_-_]

@@cunnyman the difference between mobile gpu and their desktop counterpart aside from 3060 is kinda big tho and mobile 3070 draw up to 140w (150w for some 2022 mobile 3070)

[@MeatSnax]

So awesome to have videos like this. Obviously this isn't an ideal desktop 3060, but this is definitely right up a lot of people's alley, but it's just not worth the risk to order it with no info.

[@DoctorFZero]

A $200 Trojan GPU though

[@justrife]

for that performance, they can have what info I have on there, I don't personally have a bank, I put money on cashapp cards, stealing from me would just be practice lol

[@MeatSnax]

@@justrife I meant that you really don't know what you're gonna get from a website like this, it might just be a dud with no return policy.

[@stalker-svk]

I think you need to do the "INF mod" in the driver to be able to install....same modding was used when swapping MXM graphics cards in laptops

[@HackforeverxD]

Actually a bit sad that it only works with * special * drivers if they would remove the 6 pin and let it only draw up to 75w via the pci slot this would be a insane good upgrade card for older prebuilds with shitty psus u cant upgrade

[@Sinaeb]

@Those Casual Gamers what

[@philthyphil1017]

@Those Casual Gamers what?

[@guily6669]

Though doesn't mean the wattage showing on-display is any accurate specially with those Frankenstein GPUs, it was cool if he actually have measured it physically...

[@Sinaeb]

@Those Casual Gamers what

[@HackforeverxD]

@@guily6669 i mean its a 3060 mobile they a build to draw as little as possible and i think it would still run fine with 75w

[@kajurn791]

The driver issues are a major deal breaker, doubly so with the malware bundled with the janky drivers.

[@Zysperro]

That's why 6600M for 170$ is a way to go :D

[@16driver16]

They will get better though like other scam GPUs and this one might get good enough to actually buy

[@kajurn791]

@@16driver16 Honestly given normal desktop GPUs are not much more on Ali... i'd question if this one is worth it at all, even at the 100usd mark it'd be a bit questionable.

[@16driver16]

@@kajurn791 you must have a cheap power bill. This would save $ every month with minimal performance cuts. I just realized you said USD thats the problem. You have no idea what some people pay for electricity

[@16driver16]

@@kajurn791 in the US just buy your GPU used from a person going back to work after covid, failed mining operation, or a drug dealer/thief its way cheaper and you dont care how much power or gas anything uses so thats fine

[@shakal_]

that efficiency is actually crazy, hmm i wonder if you can overclock it to get it same as the desktop one

[@Obvious_Furry]

And now he realizes the absolute efficiency of laptop GPUs

[@ShadowCid098]

its an piece of a beast with only 80 watts of power

[@fierce134]

I don't know why, but I love watching Dawid wield his box cutter. Makes me happy he's using that cheap thing when everyone else has their nice knives for unboxings. That being said, I'll get you a good knife if you're ready to upgrade!

[@teamwts4375]

I agree bro

[@ThePhoenix198]

Why blunt a decent blade when you have a box-cutter?

[@JohnShalamskas]

I end up using my nice folding knife because it's in my pocket, but then it gets gunked up by the adhesive tape. In the long run it is probably better to use the box cutter for cutting boxes.

[@Fay7666]

Pretty sure the driver issues came from Nvidia seeing tons of miners doing this laptop GPU on PCIe card thing (because non-LHR), that they started specifically locking out this config. If you go back even further, you may find older official drivers that fit.

[@mcslender2965]

They could have also just add lhr on all laptop GPUs, but I guess it takes more effort. Still pretty sure Nvidia just disabled LHR recently so would be nice if they don't lock this out

[@TheXev]

​@@mcslender2965 No reason to. nVidia just released a new driver that unlocks LHR on desktop entirely, as mining is basically dead now that ETH no longer uses Proof of Work. The aftermarket is already overflowing with cheap cards and it's only going to get better.

[@jimfoster3575]

@@TheXev where do you get em do, cant seem to find them

[@Mailman_NOB]

​@@TheXev

[@Andre-rl2fj]

it would be interesting to see graphics and al acceleration capabilities of such GPUs in like Blender or Dalle software.

[@lucgonzo]

hey, which software do you use to show all the data while playing? ( fps, CPU and GPU temperature, usage and such )?

[@rsproba9882]

Hey Dawid, I'd like to see this card in a few months in a game that atm has not yet released and thus drivers do not exist for it yet. It would be good to see the performance hit vs a regular 3060 that has drivers up to date at that time.

[@mitlanderson]

Dawid, an issue here is that the brand new Nvidia driver that came out a few days ago gave most Nvidia gpus about a 20% performance bump in a lot of titles, which means you can't quite compare this to the desktop variant. Also, I'm pretty sure the laptop die actually has more CUDA cores.

[@SHSPVR]

You check the hardware id and sub id and see it even listed in the official INF file that could account for the drivers not being digitally signed so they created a workaround

[@Simpfan45]

Very interesting. I wonder if you could run this under linux to avoid the trojan drivers and still have a good gaming experience

[@MrCroky123]

There are just too many conflicting words in your sentence. Linux, gaming, trojan drivers ... Working drivers are these nvidia non official windows only. Therefore, you can't have both a gaming experience and trojans installed on Linux. Unless you have a marvelous opens source nvidia driver that can work with this gfx and then play the hundreds of titles ready on Linux.

[@AnEagle]

​@@MrCroky123nowadays, there is a driver that could launch it, although gaming performance would be theoretical, we'll see how it is in 2 years or so, when they bolt a 5060 mobile on instead

[@tkburn1439]

I've come across this problem before on laptop GPUs where you have to manually modify the driver.inf file with the gpuid before they install.

[@mkonji8522]

Actually got the same thing and was delivered about a week ago. I'm a Linux user and it was supported right out of the box with the default Nvidia driver. Was super pleased as I kind of assumed it was a mobile card right when I ordered it by ram amount. Was super surprised with the performance and most games would do better than my 3060 Lenovo legion. Wouldn't dare use such a dodgy driver so maybe if you're a Linux user this might be a pretty good option. Edit: also wanted to add that I was getting about 230 fps on GTAV using what I'm assuming are similar settings running on proton and Fedora. I also got around 60 at 4k ultra. I'd say a pretty good card.

[@utfigyii5987]

Funny how the horrible linux Nvidia drivers do a better job at working than the "great" windows drivers. Any issues?

[@mkonji8522]

@@utfigyii5987 funnily enough it's quite true. Actually zero issues. I play games for about 4 hours a day except on weekends. It's held up strong. The only thing I did was a repaste as I noticed the temps were erratic at times. The repaste cleared that up. Solid support on Linux though and super pleased.

[@kitecattestecke2303]

@@mkonji8522 which seller if I may ask? I want one so badly :-)

[@fvlsereverecandiditibisole3403]

I'm intrigued by your comment. Can you share your machine specs, your distro and drivers numbering version? , please. I would like to get a 3060 for a Nuc extreme 9 i7 32G RAM running Ubuntu core. There is a list of compatibility components over Intel's web page, but, you know, its about validation and enterprises stuff, a component can be compatible but it's not validated. Well, I'm restricted to some dimensions cause my unit it's a SFF computer and I have to consider that aspect too. I hope you can answer me. Thanks in advance.

[@mkonji8522]

@@fvlsereverecandiditibisole3403 I'm out of town at the moment but can chime in when I get back in a few days. I'm running Void Linux and awesomewm as of now. I can say I'm getting better performance on Void than on fedora and i3wm which I was running at the time of original comment. Void is technically rolling release so I'd imagine you would get similar results on arch/opensuse tumbleweed as well. I haven't used a debian distro like Ubuntu in over 15 years so I'm not sure if it would be the same or not but I do know they are probably on an older kernel so that might not help. As far as hardware goes I'm using this card, a Ryzen 7 5800x3d, and 64gb ddr4 3600 vengeance lpx. I'll get back with you though after I return and provide you more details. Hope this helped some

[@r5LgxTbQ]

You can probably force it to install the official drivers by using the "Have Disk" option in device manager. Yeah that still exists, all the way back from Windows 9x. I bet it's just a simple Hardware ID mismatch between what the driver says it supports and what the 3060M reports. The seller probably had to hack the installer to get it to work easily enough for the consumers, and the antivirus heuristics picked up on that fiddling.

[@Raptor3388]

I remember over ten years ago having to modify desktop drivers to upgrade a mobile Radeon X600M GPU, as the official drivers of that laptop were waaaay outdated and didn't work well. Maybe that's what they did with the dodgy driver, with some extra bonus... As for the performance, that's actually great, considering the price and power draw differences.

[@benzenegaming3199]

For installing the video cards that it doesn't recognize with the installer, you can do it through device manager and go to the card and select update driver and do a manual install of the driver and it works. It's the same way I did with a GTX 1070 Mobile on my HP zBook 17 G3 to get it to work.

[@XeonProductions]

You may have to modify the driver inf file and manually put in the device id for it to install official drivers. I've done it before with other odd devices, but it doesn't always work.

[@theinitiator3620]

This is what I had to do with my clevo mobile 1060 and rtx 2070

[@Capybaracomputers]

Can you make a video on it and reply back to me I’m planning on ordering some now myself

[@leguama6131]

Yes, an easy way is to use techpowerup 's NVCleaninstall software that allows you to add hardware ID's to drivers.

[@waitandhope]

I was thinking that he might be installing the desktop drivers instead of mobile. Didn't nvidia used to have them separated out?

[@theinitiator3620]

@@waitandhope na they should be combined as far as I am aware of.

[@cobaltretrotech]

I sometimes have some trouble installing drivers for official Nvidia chips on linux. I'm very curious as to how Linux would treat and use unofficial cards, and if the official Nvidia driver does actually have a chance to work under Linux

[@1pcfred]

I've never had any trouble installing Nvidia binary drivers on Linux but I'd still love to see if this graphics adapter worked in Linux. It'd be perfect for me.

[@braindeadening]

The GPU probably has a funky hardware device ID by default, they likely had to modify some driver files to accommodate its ID. I've had to modify some device IDs in nvidia's offical drivers to make installers work on lesser-known laptops. device manager > right click the GPU > properties > details > set the dropdown to hardware ids and then add that ID to the inf files that the nvidia installer unzips in C:\NVIDIA. this will force you to disable driver signing, but you'll have official non-virused drivers.

[@Eli-Nutil]

please make a video tutorial or something, because i can´t play games with the easy anticheat because they detect de drivers like "hacks"

[@xserv8170]

Thaaank you

[@shinefake48]

the best way is to install the frankenstein drivers for these Frankenstein cards, but u still gotta keep in mind altho the modded drivers allows the the official driver to be installed on it properly, it is not official by any means, as you are downloading some .exe from a stranger online. But(again) you have pretty much no other choice if you have a Frankenstein GPU like this. So consider at your own risks

[@lain328]

Something tells me official drivers probably would work but you would have to edit the compatible hardware list before doing so. Done something similar to get a GTX980 Ti to work in windows XP.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, sometimes even finding where the installer extracts the temporary files and pointing windows to manually search that folder for the driver can get it working without relying on the official installer. I had to do something similar to get a laptop GPU working on XP back when my company bought newer computers designed for win7 and we still had to use XP. It would only install through windows, not the Nvidia installer.

[@TheXev]

You'd likely have to disable driver signature detection to make that work, but I was thinking the same thing. Just replace the device ID with a 3060 6GB laptop ID and see if it works.

[@stevedixon921]

Shhhhh...NVIdia might see that and encrypt their driver packages. But yeah, extracting the raw driver files is often necessary when the installers fail to work. Had to do something similar to get an old GT730 up and running. The installer was like "nope, I can't do that Dave".

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

That’s a good idea. I’ll give that a try.

[@Crispe1Official]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Did it work??

[@Pholiage]

Could you maybe try and flash it with a laptop gpu bios and see if you can get it running with normal drivers?

[@alderoth01]

That power draw was really nice. I ended getting a V2 RTX 3060 12Gb, the ice with one fan, and it still kicks up a good bit. I wish I knew how to water cool my particular rack case, but I don't understand water cooling procedure, especially on a rack PC.

[@jaykayismyname]

7:47 The way you're just casually discussing the graphics card, turn and immediately quickscope some random guy, and go back to playing like nothing happened is crazy

[@DMS_134]

I'd say check out the RX 6600M, which is basically the same case as this 3060M one, but better, since the 6600 and M dies are the same, as are the specs. Only difference is the power target and a bit more core clock on the M model. These made quite a bit of sucess here in Brazil a while ago, when they were being sold for less than US$200. But now there's quite a few capable gpus around that price.

[@rabi0ne]

The problem with those MLLSE 6600M is their cooler... A block of aluminium that lets it work at 75°C (thise 3060 has a better cooler).

[@DMS_134]

@@rabi0ne It's way worse for some other cards that pull more power, like the 2060S that have been using the same cooler. But for the 6600M, it doesn't use a lot of power, so it's decentish. I usually run at 2200RPM, and even on a 30c room, I haven't seen it reach 90c hotspot and 70c I get when overclocking. It usually hangs around 65c and 81-83c hotspot. That's without an UV too.

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

They also work with official drivers out of the box

[@ismaelsoto9507]

@@tubularmonkeymaniac That's mostly why it's a better pic than the RTX 3060M, besides having 2 GB more VRAM.

[@iwritegoodessays9779]

There is even cheaper than the RX 6600M, which is the RX 6600XT, its the SHELI 51Risc version but it runs so hot that you can feel Escanor's power. Even with undervolt, the card still runs over 105C hotspot but its price is only 230$

[@TV-tv9xn]

The market for graphics cards on Aliexpress is very interesting. You can find other laptop graphics cards like the RX 6600M, or the RX 580 2048 SP which are rebrand RX 570. I would love to see more videos on this subject.

[@TheXev]

RX 580 2048 SP was an official AMD product though, although only in the Chinese market. I think it might have been a SKU aimed at Internet cafes if I'm remembering right. It is a bit faster then an RX 570, but I'm not sure how it does that?

[@mikeymaiku]

@@TheXev my favorite was the 5gb gtx 1060. So random

[@PunxTV123]

i am still using my rx570 for only 70$ and its 5 years now from aliexpress

[@siccolindsay610]

@@PunxTV123 could you please give me a link or product name?

[@PunxTV123]

@@siccolindsay610 i forgot, I just remember it that it's from mining GPU cause it's stacked multiple rx570 without case on a thumbnail picture...

[@otapic]

I'd like to see more of these "mobile" GPUs on desktop, it's a pretty interesting niche in the used market

[@TDJT]

Ive got a RTX 3060 12gb AERO on a pre-build MSI Trident 3 and its pretty sweet and compact :)

[@kyoudaiken]

Could you maybe test what happens if you power limit your real 3060 to 80W?

[@takumiii861]

goes boom

[@ZandoNoid]

You should try the AMD versions of desktop cards using mobile chips and compare it to the regular ones,because they use the official bios and have no driver issues.

[@4x4forlyfe]

Ah man. Was hoping to see some rendering performance benchmarks and maybe see how it handled overclocking. Perhaps in another video?

[@hackerx7329]

I would LOVE to see the card tested under Linux with both the open source drivers and the closed source Nvidia drivers and see if they recognize the card and if so what they do with it.

[@DatouneJR]

Same, I was wondering why mister Tech Stuff didn't try it.

[@jakublazecky3233]

Hi, are they any drivers with at least CUDA12 for this card (525 drivers and up) which are working? Any idea how to bring these drivers to work with this card?

[@MHK1]

The driver issue is just Nvidia at work. Linus made a video about another mining card that could be used for gaming but Nvidia locked it in the driver. You have to change stuff in the driver to get the driver to install and work.

[@bruno_brasil]

Dude, please help. I'm from Brazil and believe it or not, I bought a GPU with a mobile graphics card (unbelievable, I know, but I don't make a lot of money). What is it that I have to change in the card so that I can install the drivers from the official store? Thank you so very much.

[@zenny1884]

@@bruno_brasil maybe try install the driver manually from device manager.

[@xserv8170]

@@bruno_brasil here is a video for the fix you will thank me bro

[@justarandomonlineperson8094]

@@xserv8170 where is it lol

[@JosephArata]

Dawid, I'm pretty sure those drivers are just Device ID locked, that's why the North American driver installer package won't allow you to install drivers for it, probably due to it's PCI subset Device ID imbedded in the VBIOS. If the installer can't find the correct Device IDs it won't allow an install. There are ways to force it to install but that takes some code hacks to accomplish. The drivers they gave you are probably hacked drivers from the official driver package.

[@eduardbaciu8860]

I think the most important conclusion from this video is that Nvidia could have done a better/more efficient card than what they did. I think with 8GB video ram and good drivers, while also allowing the "AliExpress" card to draw around 100W we would actually have a nice, cheap and quiet mid range card.

[@manhunt6662]

Unfortunately Nvidia will not allow those three words to be together in a card

[@TheKeztor]

Hey. I was wondering what software you are using to monitor the temps of the system? I've been looking for a software like that, but haven't found one I like so far

[@odioalospoopers]

if you want to give this a try again there's also the RX 6600M, which for what i've seen does work with official drivers and slightly outperforms the desktop RX6600

[@tonyheisenberg7587]

Hi, you may wanna check the overclocking with MSI afterburner, I have laptop with 2060m and the W goes to 115, most 3060m go from 115-140 depending on the brand, chances are the trojan gpu have more potential :D

[@user-hr4hu8xb5f]

3070m is the one which get up to 140w, 3060m only get up to 80- 115w

[@kigasdj2]

@@user-hr4hu8xb5f 130w actually, 3600m can go all the way up to 130w with specific 115w models on higher tier.

[@zakpappnase]

It would be interesting to see how this thing runs with Linux with the free drivers. That might remove some of the worries about the sketchy virus drivers.

[@dadestor]

It probably won't run at all because the hardware is modified

[@jezzaboi2168]

I doubt that if the nouveau drivers would be anywhere near good enough, they barely give good performance on officially supported cards, let alone the obscure stuff

[@imacmill]

Here in Canada, it takes an average of one and a half months to get stuff from AliExpress. Sometimes two months. It's always been that way, even pre-pandemic, so I've just assumed it's the norm.

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

AliExpress and Wish are essentially Amazon-like retailers and resellers that ship directly from China, which is why prices are rock bottom and shipping times are astronomical due to customs clearance and such.

[@Ludak021]

check where the goods actually wait. In my case, they travel to my country for about 10 days then sit on our customs for two months.

[@imacmill]

@@Ludak021 Good idea. But even knowing won't change anything.

[@tonyhan9393]

Im in canada too, actually slow shipping is all cuased by the world's most shtty express company CANADA POST, just track ur item and u will find out that the shipping is really fast before the item arrives in Canada.

[@t4w1m94]

@@tonyhan9393 Actually no. Canada Post will process it at the port of entry within 1 day of arrival in Canada, even on weekends. China Post is the weird one; they will give a "parcel arrived at destination" notification before it even gets on a plane.

[@thefuzzygecko7735]

Dawid just casually popping headshots in B5 while reviewing the graphics card equivalent to Frankensteins monster with trichomoniasis is genuinely satisfying to witness.

[@DannyTan6675]

You should be able to use a utility to reflash the bios so that way it will accept an official driver. Essentially what the fake GPU sellers do to try an hawk an old GPU as a new one, but this time actually flashing proper bios to the GPU.

[@BenState]

all he needed to do was swap the inf file in the driver to the mobile one.

[@Sgt_gh0st]

Hey, what is the overlay software you're using to see th fps and stutter etc?

[@willieyu4283]

Just a thought, what if you take a laptop and try egpu method, would nvidia let you install official driver?

[@andreililia3474]

I think the driver issues might get resolved by flashing a new vbios. A different vbios might also unlock the gpu to draw 130 watts.

[@MrRobarino]

You say that like you can just flash any random bios file to it and it will just work. It doesn't work that way. If he can't get proper drivers for this card, the odds of locating a proper bios flash that will work are even harder. You're trying to make it sound easy, but it's not.

[@patriotcanuck6485]

How you tried manually installing drivers after downloading the Nvidia software? I had the same problem with my MacBook pro it wouldn't recognize my amd gpu so I downloaded the amd software with drivers.

[@michaellegg9381]

Would like to see an analysis of the dodgy driver compared to the real mobile driver.. that way you can see what's been changed and added and possibly clean the driver for it.. I remember seeing LTT do a NVIDIA driver mod and a dodgy Chinese driver comparison so it's definitely doable and would be great to see coz we can get cheap cards and clean our own drivers..

[@aussiegrif8729]

There's a way to force drivers in Windows to work and trick windows into thinking they are the correct ones. I have a Hades Canyon NUC as a media-center PC (an obscure Vega M GH GPU). There are no drivers for it but using this manual driver forcing method I can get it to pretend to be a Vega 56 and current drivers work great (games no longer give me issues saying I have outdated drivers). Might not work with nvidia's sleaziness with drivers but hopefully this helps anyone who might be having this issue. The steps are roughly: - Download the driver package, as it says "no drivers supported" in the installer, leave that window up and you can go into your Windows Temp folders and find the driver files. Copy those files to a safe location as the installer will delete them once you move off the error page. - Device Manager -> Select your GPU -> choose manual driver update -> Choose Select files -> Go the folder and select the driver folder -> Driver Update should then get you to choose which GPU driver package you want to FORCE-equip to your GPU Do this at your own risk, but it works great updating a Vega M to a Vega 56 driver package. Might not work at all for nvidia but might be worth a shot to be able to use official drivers.

[@probablyanadult7354]

What does driver manager say the IDs are? Maybe we can determine where the die came from? Like the laptop brand or maybe it was a repurposed mining card i have never heard of

[@BusAlexey]

ID is never linked to particular brand of laptop/gpu

[@Clos93]

These profile picture stealing telegram/Whatsapp bots are a fucking plague...

[@jeudaz]

It was not too long ago that we mod main stream drivers to allow cards with specific product/device ID to be recognisable. In this case, probably need to find out the device ID string from the drivers provided by seller.

[@seibertron500]

anyone could have easily done that by using NVcleanstall (the program literally spoonfeeds you the information, you just have to select the right one). its just that this guy hasn't figured it out and blamed the product instead

[@xthiem00]

Hey man, thanks for the video! I was looking for some graphic card with low-power. And your video is the bullseye hit! I already ordered the same RTX 3060(m) 6GB from Jieshuo as 80W power consumption with (almost) the same performance is very promising... It's bad it will arrive after the Christmas 😁

[@thedude-ty4nm]

so how did the card run ?

[@Zebra_Paw]

I noticed these kinda cheap RTX 3060s and was wondering whether there are legitimate or not... then same day, boom, Dawid makes a video about it, which I might as well watch!

[@T_Burd_75]

I wonder how that card works in Linux with their drivers.

[@asunavk69]

even if it did not ever work, could perhaps have the option of loading the gpu in windows in a vm to avoid possible trojans.

[@Rabbit_AF]

I remember reading that these mobile cards built for mining were Linux only. Maybe they found a windows work around for them? I would definitely try Linux.

[@melbaylon]

Curious if that dodgy 3060 will work better on Linux. Might be a good GPU for Blender 3D if it works.

[@MrCroky123]

Which driver ?

[@silverhit1437]

Hi there, I'm sorry for the basic question but I don't know how to word this to get Google to tell me lol. What is the software you're using to tell you the power draw and frames in the top left?

[@gizzy8258]

MSI Afterburner

[@silverhit1437]

@@gizzy8258 tysm

[@tougedrifter123]

I think it's the same graphics card as in my Legion 5 with the 3060, quite the monster if you say so being a 115W card and runs almost everything smoothly

[@NamelessPassenger]

Nah, the gpu is more likely lower wattage version…like in aw14, xps17, zep14, etc

[@vedantagrawal9530]

Was there any possibility of cranking the power draw of the Dodgy Boy?

[@somepeopleneverlearn]

what software do you use to see the power draw from Cpu and gpu ?

[@JohnBraman413]

where did you download the driver? are you able to install driver from nvidia yet?

[@knifemind]

I picked up one of the JieShuo 6600m cards for $180 recently and am very pleased with it. Literally the best value budget card you can get right now. The card itself looks almost identical to this one. They are seriously streamlining their products. (Also, no driver issues. Just install the AMD driver pack and it's good to go. )

[@bobnope457]

Did you also have to install dodgy drivers?

[@knifemind]

@@bobnope457 no. Just install the AMD driver pack/adrenaline and it's fully functional. The only oddity is that you can't change the vram speed. Not sure if it's a physical limitation, or if it's bios locked, but Core and power are adjustable, and it runs just as well as a regular 6600.

[@davidwithey6036]

mobile GPU from nvidia are tied to the vender you have to edit the installer to see your GPU then will install. I edited my old 880M to a 980M to get little more performance from it but every time i had to install a new driver i had to edit the installer

[@musashi997]

What exactly do you mean with edit the installer? I have a 820M and have the same problem where i can't install the driver and I tried everything possible.

[@HD_Heresy]

Has anyone brought up that insanely quick headshot by Dawid at 9:01? Like "STOP SHOOTING I'm trying to BENCHMARK!" 😂

[@tonyjennings8199]

Good video. I Can’t help feeling not being able to update the rogue drivers may be an issue with some games.

[@Wolly9102]

Drivers wouldn't install because the deviceid isn't in the compatible hardware list included in the driver package. Had to deal with this myself when I got my RTX 2060 laptop (custom build) back in the day. The driver the seller provided is indeed modified to include the ID. But best to send the ID to Nvidia. They will include it in a futher update.

[@akahee22]

The right drivers, no external power man these would make older pcs very viable 😁

[@taylorwillis5556]

You could use MSI afterburner, and set the power limit to like 85% and then you wouldn’t even need to plug in the supplemental power. I use to run a dell optiplex with a 1050 ti. The 1050 ti I got had a 6 pin power connector, so I dropped the power limit to 90% and ran the card without supplemental power no issues. I crashed one time in my 2 years of running that system.

[@ImNotKabu]

@@taylorwillis5556 I was literally thinking of this, I have a dell optiplex with a 1050TI. I think I'm gonna try and find one of these mobile GPUs to put in.

[@Vitaliuz]

I like how there's no "arrow" on a regular 3060's 1% in GTA V. _Not biased at all._ Have that GPU installed in one of my PC's atm _(using the latest v526.86 drivers, btw),_ and it works wonders _(for its price and TDP especially)._ If you can't even install a GPU driver _(nor manage your AV or use VT/SB)_ - *you* can be considered a dodgy boy instead. =) And that "promosing" in the description. * chef's kiss *

[@erny1601]

What is the name of the CPU tower cooler on the pc at 3:25 ?

[@asunavk69]

It would be interesting to see something like linux if drivers either open or closed source would oficially work on this card.

[@asunavk69]

@@WhiteG60 idk if holo iso steamos 3 works well with nvidia if anything at all, but either smt like ubuntu/fedora or manjaro for instance should suffice.

[@tracyr5594]

Someone already said it works fine in Linux with no mods

[@yahyasajid5113]

You definetly need to compare this to the 6600M Latptop GPU turned desktop GPU also on aliexpress

[@Maasterstead]

It's mentioned several times that the drivers won't install on the card. Have you tried installing the drivers on the C drive? Just a thought.

[@daniloribeiro5372]

The problem with some of these grapich cards os that you need specific drivers provided by the seller who can stop updating the product after a while.

[@tuturuism]

Aww yiss the thrirdi sixty

[@alfredorielmolo8659]

Thiddy siggsdy

[@lethalfarm]

Tweeny ad teeeiiii

[@saurabh9232]

Secsi

[@Halon1234]

More like Dirty Sixty amirite

[@gabriellunsford145]

R/ihadastroke

[@jpvanderwalt7808]

How did you manage to install the driver. In getting code 43 error in device manager

[@bdhale34]

I'd say someone who knows their stuff could make the newest driver install with some editing of the inf file to include that specific card's device id's, what is most likely happening to you is this card has an unknown device and vendor id attached to it and the driver looks at those to decide if compatible hardware is even in the system.

[@seibertron500]

exactly, this can easily be remedied by just adding the GPU into the INF file or adding it through NVcleanstall

[@Kaori42]

Hi Dawid, I think you should try power limiting the 3060 desktop to 80W like the mobile to see if there is a performance difference and the efficiency of each.

[@NamelessPassenger]

Yes there is, laptop will be better than desktop due to laptop have more cuda core than desktop

[@NatoRadeX]

@@NamelessPassenger Sorry what did you just utter from your mouth?

[@hovanthecool1995]

This gpu with that driver would be amazing on my PC. Going from a gtx 960 2gig to that. My 300 watt power supply won't be a problem. I actually want that gpu you got lol.

[@Margen67]

Ducks need HUGS

[@hovanthecool1995]

@@Margen67 And a great gpu for my needs.... 😅

[@cjjuszczak]

what the on-screen HUD used to show the GPU info during games ?

[@avoidthevo1d]

Well, the driver issues are the reason that the RX 6600m cards are a better option than the mobile Nvidia cards, since you can just easily install official AMD drivers with updates

[@mahmoudsobhy5843]

Did you try installing the actual latest driver from Device Manager? It should bypass the compatibility check (hopefully) If it doesn't, driver modding is still an option to remove the check and force install it.

[@Makentoch]

5:13 what is the original link to the GDrive?

[@milescarter7803]

Does the nvcleaninstall utility work? I've been messing around with Lenovo and Clevo putting different MXM cards in them.

[@ooHotcooleRoo]

I actually bought 2060 a while back with a huuuuuuge cooler from that seller (Great card btw cooling wise), there is probably a mention of the mobile chip in the description and you can contact the seller and he'll point you to the non mobile chips if you ask if you can game or only mine on it. Though obviously not as cheap, but still quite a bit cheaper than anything else available elsewhere.

[@jakubpakos4225]

This is actually amazing. I wish there was a way of getting official drivers for this types of cards. I would really want one if they did.

[@thepezfeo]

There is similar type AMD card, the MLLSE RX 6600M that costs around $200. It's also a mobile chip on desktop card, but no driver problems.

[@TryHardNewsletter]

If these 3060m cards didn't have driver issues they would cost more

[@jakubpakos4225]

@@TryHardNewsletter ye I guess you are right

[@jakubpakos4225]

@@thepezfeo Is there? Thats very interesting. Do you know perhaps why amd has support for those gpus?

[@kykiske321]

Thinking about it quickly: Perhaps the problem that the drivers are not recognized by Nvidia could be because there is a conflict in this GPU that is prepared for notebook motherboards and bios and not desktop? If there was some way to trick the system or the Nvndia soft so that it understands the PC as a notebook, could the official ones be installed?

[@helgerrvik4480]

This. It probably needs a 3060m driver to work. Manually downloading the driver might work.

[@TheHortond]

what program are you using to show FPS on the screen during the game? Thank you.

[@AlexHusTech]

MSI afterburner.

[@Tushar_KN]

Imagine: Nvidia could make a desktop GPU that won't suck so much power but still give you amazing performance.

[@MurphyKitchell]

That's called a Quadro, and you can have one for the low low price of one kidney and your firstborn child!

[@RyanGrange]

I'm curious if the Linux nVidia drivers would have worked with this card. It'd be a decent upgrade for my 1060.

[@kryptoneye1781]

do it, sell the 1060 on facebook market for 100dollars and then buy the 2060 from the video