This one Hurts! | The RWC final review show (Day of final) - Two Cents Gets Distracted

Well, this sucks! While much of the media attention is focused on the great joy the final has brought to the nation of South Africa, this episode gives you a peak into the depths of despair the great little nation of New Zealand has been plunged into after the All Blacks agonising defeat to the World Champion Springboks. I just vomited in my mouth a little bit.Make sure you tune in next week to watch the second annual 2CGDs on the Distracted Sports channel.Grab a beer and cry along with us or alternatively laugh in our faces and enjoy
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[@TwoCentsRugby]

Nominations for the 2CGD Awards for next week (give us a player and a category) I am nominating Kwagga Smith for Super Sub and Mathieu Jalibert's backwards touch finder for Worst Kick

[@angusleigh7204]

Scot Barrett's yellow card in the semi final for biggest brain fart Darcy Graham for worst moustache Owen Farrell's red card for most talked about moment 2 Cents gets Distracted for best rugby podcast! And a bonus category...favourite podcast platform we can no longer mention!

[@barryboonzaaier5769]

Jamie George for funniest line out throw Faf for best ankle tap Le Roux Malan (Namibië) most gruesome injury Tom Curry for worst on field facial reconstruction

[@trogdor5000]

Best performance vs acknowledgement of performance ratio: Frans Malherbe

[@yvonnemullen3325]

Most memable - EddieJones Best newest prettyboy - that Appleton bloke from Portugal The team that gives us hope that Union has a future - Chile

[@yvonnemullen3325]

@@angusleigh7204Mack Hanson needs consideration in the worst moustache category.

[@NicoSanchez-bz7he]

Rassie once took a lie detector test and the machine confessed everything.

[@MJ31579]

😅

[@HeidiHeidi-mh9ct]

They say Napoleon was the greatest strategist but he never managed to conquer Europe like Rassie

[@richardmatatahi4563]

when did Rassie conquer Europe? when did this happen? Napoleon got defeated at Waterloo I hope that's not a bad omen.

[@decmurray1096]

​@@richardmatatahi4563By the Duke of Wellington. An Irish man.

[@richardmatatahi4563]

Not that I brought it up@@decmurray1096 but real name Arthur Wellesley born to an aristocratic Anglo-Irish family in 1769 joined the British Army aged 18 yrs in 1787 and was a better strategist than Napoleon..

[@philster611-ih8te]

@@richardmatatahi4563 Like SA he also prioritised defence. And at Waterloo the advantage changed multiple times. And he famously said, The was a damned close run thing...

[@richardmatatahi4563]

@@philster611-ih8te Wasn't Napoleon defeated???at Waterloo you have the wrong man he's a frenchman thats all i'm saying,

[@bkrause4424]

It's a miscomception to say this is how Springboks play all the time. We scored more tries than Ireland and France in our games against them who are apparently the most attacking teams in the world. The real problem is other teams don't want to tackle. South Africans LOVE tackling, it's the unpleasant least flashy part of the game that other teams maybe need to start embracing more

[@JonSlayer]

In this match bokke crossed the line twice (held up first time, knocked on second), ABs crossed the line three times for one try. Hard to say SA don't play attacking rugby off the back of that stat

[@UglyKidJoe71]

Truth. Tackling is a major part of the Boks defensive strategy which is a major part of their overall game strategy, while also having brought an expansive element to their game. Strategically, they got it right for the most part. Finals rugby is not about tries. The All Blacks may rue their decisions to go for the corner instead of taking the points on offer.

[@bkrause4424]

@@UglyKidJoe71 agree and the Springboks chose to go for points, had they gone to the corners it might have been Twickenham all over again

[@UglyKidJoe71]

@@bkrause4424 we will never know

[@SimonBarnes]

On the Wayne Barnes apology, he said "sorry mate I didn't see the replay," then explains why he penalized him, "not enough of a clear release for me." He was not admitting he was wrong.

[@april-tui3524]

Thank you. Everyone is getting this so wrong!

[@Love1Monster]

So you are saying the ref apologised for not seeing a replay. How many other times during the match did he apologise to players for not seeing a replay? What a strange thing for him to say.

[@april-tui3524]

@@Love1Monster it’s not really, he was asking about the replay and he said he wasn’t looking at it. What’s the problem? He didn’t release, end of. It certainly didn’t decide the outcome.

[@SimonBarnes]

I'm not saying it, Wayne Barnes said it.@@Love1Monster

[@joedennehy386]

True, but the captain cards disparity was the issue. Both were yellow, Or were both red.

[@ianbarnard4963]

The drop goal attempts served two purposes - firstly, if successful, we build the score by 3-point increments; and secondly, if missed, it kept the ball down the right end of the field and made NZ play from inside their own 22 - Boks trusted their defence to stop any attacking forays.

[@GDF07]

Also encouraged NZ to clear into touch rather than keeping the ball in play rather and giving Willemse more opportunities to go for goal. Considering the Springboks love for set piece, and desire to slow the pace of the game down, I reckon it was a pretty big brain tactic..

[@omacburma]

that was my thought as well. Still, some were pretty poor attempts.

[@kristian762]

Pollards would've been over if Ardie hadn't charged it down. Good job by Ardie.

[@annettekolb3103]

Call a war plan. Won 6 battles and then won the war. Anyone rinsing their mouth with vinager about SA show bad sportsmanship and really don't understand what this meant to SA the last 3 min was played with heart zero power in the tank all heart and emotion

[@Bobbydyland]

I saw a comment referring to the fabled 2015 AB team. On a we and windswept 2015 RWC semi-final, the AB's narrowly defeated a hapless springbok team. That springbok team contain Pollard, DeAllende, Kriel, Malherbe, Etzebeth Le Rouxe and Vermulaen. Steal sharpens steal.

[@adrianincapetown7043]

It was a world cup final, not a super rugby game at Wonganui. The Boks did what they're needed to do to win the world cup.

[@codepuncher]

Faf was HUGE. What a team player

[@Jesus_is_Lord_316]

He was everywhere the Springboks needed him to be in those last 4 minutes. Go Faf!!

[@ScottK-wv4om]

Faf looks like Karg!😂😂😂

[@hugomarx1324]

Rassie will never get a heart attack because his heart isn't stupid enough to attack him

[@rashidadams8327]

😂🔥

[@dannygray-mi3xn]

LMFAO😂

[@ThirdEye_oOo]

Gold 😂

[@scroopynooperz9051]

Rassie has counted to infinity, twice.

[@ronanmulligan8807]

❤

[@MarcWithersea]

Just felt this needs to be said... To SAM CANE We think we know how much it hurts, but we really can't fully imagine it. We know what's facing you when you get home. But never forget this.... For many years we've watched you being an absolute warrior on the field and a humble gent off it. You've epitomised All Black rugby. And you had impossibly huge boots to fill when you took over from Richie. Remember that one moment doesn't define your career and won't define your legacy - you've done so much more than just that. As you face a bitterly disappointed* nation, know that you have deep respect from us Bok fans, plus our commiserations, even as we celebrate. Thank you for the player you have been, and hopefully still will be. Aroha *[Thanks to @lLove1Monster for pointing out that NZ isn't "furious" - my bad :)]

[@padawan9127]

Really feel for him, from an Irish fan

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

Nah, but he will get swallowed up and spat out... Southern rugby is not nearly as forgiving as up north, I highly doubt Sam cane returns with the squad

[@hwy1983]

Yes. All of that. ❤

[@seektruth5750]

@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lbnah, NZ fans don’t strike me like that, he’ll be fine

[@philster611-ih8te]

I don’t think Cane getting red carded was the reason why the ABs lost. They went for the corner not the sticks. Two kicks failed their mark. When you don’t take the points on offer then small margins become gulfs.ABs seriously could have had this. Boks were out on their feet by the last ten.

[@DarioOle-tp5tp]

Rassie never flush the toilet. He simply scares the shit out of it

[@masterq2.033]

It wasnt an apology from ref Barns for a wrong call , he said "sorry I didn't see it like that" , not I got it wrong.

[@Crankza]

The Frizel Yellow card took almsot 10 min to decide if they want it to REmain Yellow or go to REd. And Initially i was Penalty only. However on the reverse angle not only does he come from the side at a crazy angle he has a swinging arm into the leg of Bongi. You can clearly see the moment that momentum hits is when bongis leg went. I feel that was a piece of terrible dirty play and he could be lucky it stayed a Yellow. Saffa goggles on but it looked like he targeted the only hooker in the team

[@scroopynooperz9051]

Exactly what I thought... With Malcolm Marx out they assumed we'd be in big trouble if Mbonambi got compromised too, but Deon Fourie ended up doing a good job. Seemed like a piece of cynical play upon review.

[@wilfredsmith183]

Was my first thought too

[@lyznav9439]

100% agree, and fishy that was done to Bongi. Dirty player. But respect to the rest of NZ

[@mitch2924]

Kiwi’s are a bunch of cheats. Targeted Bongi within the first 3mins - Frezzel eyes were only for Bongi. He came in at a 90’ angle to the ruck, Missed the neck rolled, then ended up buckling Bongi’s leg on SA’s side of the ruck. The only player to go off the pitch with a serious injury. But there game plan didn’t work after a 38 year old flanker put in a 78min performance like that.

[@rumplestillskin01]

Deon was awesome but our scrum and line out was not on song - Bongi out also neutralized out 7/1 bench ! Let’s talk about the forward pass for that try - come on ! Let’s be honest at least!

[@sdv917]

Wayne Barnes did not in fact say he saw the replay. He apologized for NOT seeing the replay. That's why the penalty was allowed.

[@winstonwiggill2824]

Yup, 5 minutes of this podcast wasted by my good man 2 cents & his mate misquoting Wayne Barnes badly

[@sdv917]

@@winstonwiggill2824 to be fair it's been a consistent interpretation even though it's pretty clearly incorrect upon review. No problem with them missing it in the wallows of losing a WC Final.

[@qwashubi]

Theres audio footage of it online. This is the convo word for word after the tmo replay it on the big screen and Ardie and Barnes see it which innitiates the convo. Barns: "sorry mate, I didn't see the replay. I thought you stayed on him, i didn't see you come off enough" Ardie: "so that was alright?" Referring to his steal attempt Barnes: "yep" He admits he was wrong, then he proceeds to allow the penalty anyway.

[@sdv917]

@@qwashubi sorry mate, I didn't see the replay is the reply to Ardie's question about the in stadium replay. Barnes tells him sorry I didn't see the replay, then explains the picture he saw live with no clear release.

[@qwashubi]

@@sdv917 at the minimum he made a dubious call that was ultimately incorrect that provided more points than the endgame point difference, but what most people are mad about was the last interraction where Ardie asks if he was ok and barnes says yes. He proceeds to let them have the penalty and then not long later goes back 4 phases to recind an ABs try. Some consistancy in the reffing would be great

[@jaconortje5009]

The Shannon Frizell yellow card is not him rolling away after a tackle, he neck rolled Bongi and dropped his entire bodyweight onto Bongi's leg to make sure Bongi can't steal the ball at the breakdown. Frizell's actions ended Bongi's final after 3mins, deserved the yellow card imo

[@ballasgleek]

Yeah. Felt for Sam Cane to be honest - not a fan of the auto-red card when there's no malice in it. Frizell I think was lucky - that was pretty cynical and on either Bongi or Faf in that game with that bench, that kind of cynicism seemed premeditated frankly.

[@april-tui3524]

@@ballasgleek yeah I agree

[@robertjan002]

@@ballasgleekI don’t understand this. How do you get to no malice? Head to head happens. Shoulder to head is almost always dirty. High tackle don’t just happen. No mitigation. This was the only shoulder to head in the competition. (?) Kriel was as important as Bongi to our defence. Even a HIA could have turned the game.

[@Pepgang]

Rassie once heard nothing can kill him so he tracked down nothing and killed it

[@richardmatatahi4563]

He heard nothing, tracked nothing and killed nothing, sounds like nothing but here say. What do you really mean?

[@naidoo307]

🏆🏆🏆🏆that’s what we mean this is not hear say !😮😊😂

[@sulaimanvanderschyff6564]

Cmon, is Rassie the Chuck Norris of rugby now? 😂😂😂

[@richardmatatahi4563]

What does he mean@@naidoo307by his comment???keep up with the play here Einstein.

[@LB_die_Kaapie]

Barnes didnt apologise to Savea for making the wrong decision. People reaally need to open their ears i swear. 'I didnt watch the replay. Sorry Ardie, i didnt see it that way' - Wayne Barnes

[@jarlinemclachlan9208]

What he actually said was ‘he didn’t see him come off enough’ and Ardie asked him if what he did was alright and Wayne said Yeah.

[@JohanThiart]

Curtesy confused with a confession! Desperate!! The ABs did us proud.

[@LB_die_Kaapie]

​@@JohanThiartThere was no confession. But you believe what makes you happy..

[@LB_die_Kaapie]

​@jarlinemclachlan9208 Believe what you want to lol the audio is out there for everyone to hear..

[@jarlinemclachlan9208]

@@LB_die_Kaapie it’s clear as day on there. The first part you have correct. The part you’re missing is when Ardie asked if what he did was ok and Wayne said yeah. I’m not saying this is game changing we lost fair and square. But what you’re saying is this didn’t happen and it did

[@MarioGarcia-bf6mf]

Ghost sit around camp fires telling each other Rassie stories

[@MirindaMnambi]

Rassie doesn't sweat. He makes his skin cry

[@MrKa0s1]

The last three games took 9 years off my life expectancy. I loved this world cup, think a lot more teams have upped their standards.... Much closer games than before....

[@Tarrimaster]

I have to say the Frizell incident was pretty suspicious - this is the highest level of the game and that was the clumsiest challenge on literally the one guy the Springboks couldn't really afford to lose. I doubt that the injury was fully intentional, but it's impossible to say that the ABs wouldn't have targeted this weak point in the SA lineup and they will have had specific instructions to rile Mbonambi up. Just my err.. Two Cents.. and the fact that the bunker took so long to conclude that it should remain yellow makes me think they came close to upgrading to red.

[@robertjan002]

Agree. If Frizzell had roundhouse kicked Bongi, pundits would say he slipped (or Bongi ran into his foot).

[@nkleinhans]

This is why we have so much respect for you kiwi guys. Genuine & knowledgeable fans of the game. Hurting and being honest without any malice, you rock! Doesn't matter what world ranking says , you are the other best team in the world! 10/10 would love to have a beer with you!

[@ianbarnard4963]

Rugby is a game that can and should be played according to your strengths. I heard a good football analogy: NZ are like Brazil, whereas SA are like Germany. Both great teams; totally different styles. Keeping it football, Alex Ferguson said attack wins you matches; defence wins you championships.

[@alistairclifton1286]

Keo and Zels

[@Love1Monster]

But it’s a question of what style World Rugby want to encourage, through its laws and rule interpretations. Which style is going to make the game more successful? I saw an interesting stat - ALL of the knockout games were won by the team that had the ball less.

[@operatorhoot470]

The original quote is "Offence wins games (or "sell tickets" according to different sources), Defence wins championships" and is first attributable to Bear Bryant, an American football coach.

[@LucrismLukas]

Chuck Norris once entered a bar and saw Rassie....he walked out again

[@myronalcock4716]

Gents...For the conditions (slippery/wet) and the occasion (final/pressure), the Bok's game plan of letting the opposition have the ball and make mistakes offered the greater % of winning. 🤷 And you are both being far more gracious in defeat than I think I or my fellow bok supporters may have been 👍

[@user-xb8tc3tc8t]

Yes, agree. Great tactics but it's a shame the Boks chose to play that type of game. Rugby (worldwide) needed to watch a spectacular, open flowing game. That became an impossibility with the Springbok approach. I love Rugby and was hoping for a wow game. It wasn't. So the real opportunity to promote the game worldwide was lost. In saying that, congratulations SA, we had opportunities but couldn't convert. So, no sour grapes here, just a disappointment an opportunity was lost. Negative,- risk adverse play and crazy tech (microscopic type) decisions leave me cold.

[@Nicholas-fw1id]

Agree, I think it was the ABs desire to play "beautiful" rugby in the first half, and them kicking for touch instead of points. Lost it for them.

[@user-xb8tc3tc8t]

Yep.@@Nicholas-fw1id

[@YOYOTh1s]

Boys! It is done! Its winter in October, but we hardly feel it because our hearts are warmed by Siya and my Springboks! You guys are my favourite Rugby Podcast, so much fun, but realistic as well!

[@SimonBarnes]

One of the key elements people miss on why Kolisi wasn't upgraded is that when he committed to the tackle, Ardie was well upright, and he dropped about half a meter into the tackle, which Kolisi also dropped into. Those are called mitigating factors haha.

[@robertjan002]

Head to head contact happens. Because heads are mostly level. There was only one direct tackle to the head in the World Cup. Sam Cane. High tackles like that just don’t happen by accident. Cane has 3cm on Kriel. Even if kriel braces, Cane needs to raise or stay upright to get his shoulder to Kriel’s head. Now the most skilful team in the world is just so clumsy.

[@inusventer]

The weather in Gauteng is pretty much the same😂 but the mood is much better ngl😂 honestly it was a great game, a nail biting finish. Both teams played great. And as a Springbok fan, I think I aged 30 years in 3 weeks, and I am not even 30 yet😂

[@winnifredroman9560]

Well it's sunny in cpt for once😂😂😂😂

[@afarrell4007]

Thank you both for the fantastic content over the past couple of weeks. ☘️

[@angusleigh7204]

Thanks for a great tournament guys; tuning in for your banter has helped make it special! Gutted for your boys, but what a great, tense game. As a neutral it was pretty awesome! Looking forward to the 2CGDs next week, and hearing who wins the "favourite podcast platform no longer available" category!

[@RikiLouw69]

Guys, South African love the way we play our game. We love playing without the ball. We love our mauls, our defense, our scrums, our kicks etc.. If people don't find it exciting, it sounds like their problem. Like you mentioned - There are rugby league. Be our guests.

[@charlesvanonselen6251]

You guys were about Libbok and the Boks not having a reliable kicker - I guess we were listening when you guys should have. I thought Frizzell was lucky to only get a yellow, it looked very cynical, especially after its general knowledge that the Boks were down 1 hooker - also it was a neckroll - totally illegal on its own merit. If there was a way to curtail the Boks scrum, it would be to take out their specialist hooker. Call me a cynic.....Sam Cane was unlucky for me, the intention was not to make head contact. Kolisi was unlucky to get even a yellow for me. The initial contact was clearly on the shoulder. No complaints with Kolbe, but I have seen those NOT given too in this tournement. We must remember the conditions were not condusive to running rugby. The biggest difference between the 2 teams for me is that the Boks took their chances and the ABs did not.

[@pock0077]

Imagine changing the rules because we you can’t combat the oppositions strength. Why don’t other countries come together and find a way to beat this multi dimensional view of the game.

[@Bobbydyland]

Yeah I see this a lot from the AB pundits. Thinking that the rules need to change because they're dropped to a 79% win rate.

[@Love1Monster]

28:00 About the disallowed try from the Ardie knock on, I saw somewhere that the TMO is only supposed to go back 2 phases for any clear and obvious knock ons. And the try was 5 phases. Hence, disallowing it was a breach of protocols. Anyone know is that a correct assessment?

[@scenoptica]

It will never stop being a source of amusement that Mark is so complimentary of reffing in hockey, whereas the first comment made by every hockey fan I've introduced to rugby has been to compliment the reffing and specifically how well rugby refs explain a decision. 😆Which, incidentally, is also my experience. Of the sports I've watched, hockey is better than basketball, but rugby easily has the best reffing.

[@brettfleiner4906]

I think if anyone gave SA a choice between having Bongi stay on and having a yellow against NZ, everyone would have chosen to have Bongi stay on. We'll never know but those lost scrums and lineouts could have made the winning margin a bit bigger.

[@KarateGucci]

You guys are so funny in your grief ... thanks for sharing that pain, its so funny . Your dry wit and insight into the Kiwi psyche is very cool . Our teams sit on opposite sides of a rugby ball in regards to mentality ( not style of play, mind you ) mentality wise we can change our mind easily if it will increase our chance to win a game . Except it ! We skin the cat that way ...except it .... dont judge it for your pleasure ....2 cents enjoy that way of skinning the cat and that counts ... in fact gentlemen I will venture the believe that we are about to really play a more attacking ball in hand rugby over the next 4 years and that might turn out quite scarry for other teams . In the meantime be assured here in SA we do have all styles available to us and we enjoy them all . Even our Springboks can turn it on , flair wise, as we showed agains France and Romania BUT tactics is about everything , its wide , like the devide between the two sides of a rugby ball 😂🙃

[@cecileschultz800]

You can take pleasure in knowing that is miserably cold and wet in SA today🤗

[@vuyaniman9440]

The TMO activity was to ensure that all decisions were correct considering it was a final.. sadly it doesn’t seem to have worked..coz people still have issues. If something was missed by the ref and people deem it have impacted the game, they were still going to complain.. This is professional sport, so I think TMO’s will carry on coz referees have taken a lot of flack , world rugby is just helping them out..

[@ad2040]

I think the penalty for Mbonambi was primarily for the neck roll, landing on his leg ensured that it was given. World Rugby Law 10.4(e) "Every time the head or the neck is deliberately grabbed or choked, the offending player runs the risk of receiving a yellow or red card"

[@garethnaude1175]

With regards to the yellow in the third minute: it’s not just the knee fall, it’s the fact it’s a neck roll, and then because he’s neck rolled him illegally and taken the knee out, that makes it a yellow card

[@johncraig9011]

Nah it's a red

[@robertjan002]

Yes. Elbow to leg. Yellow if not red. And the tactical implication of taking out a key player can’t be ignored.

[@adrianincapetown7043]

Frizzel "rolled away," onto Bongi's outstretched leg, with his arms around Bongi's neck. "Neck rolls" are dangerous. Hard not to see it as intentional.

[@robertjan002]

These all blacks are very clumsy. He wasn’t sure which way to roll and accidentally rolled into the ruck. Because players have limbs.

[@christiancatley4120]

Still getting over it!! Thanks for the therapy session lads!! Good podcast

[@kristian762]

Man, seeing you guys so heartbroken really does put a damper on my victory celebrations. Ive got some personal insights and takeaways from this tournament. For 2 years, while Rassie was on the world rugby shit list, we had so many 50/50 calls go against us, and many missed calls as well, and it usually benefitted the teams we were playing against. We had some tough, close losses that we blamed (unfairly, in hindsight) on poor calls. But our management took a long hard look at how to mitigate that, how to play the ref and show the right pictures and get the calls we want. We changed the way we dealt with refs, with world rugby, and we even changed the way we play the game, to an extent. I think those experiences prepared us well for this world cup, and i think that shows in the results. But, in that period, we SA fans were extremely vocal about our disapproval, and rugby fans around the world gave us a really hard time about it. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, i can see where they were coming from. And ive made a vow to try very very hard not to bitch about the ref ever again. I think its important to be able to appreciate and enjoy the game, even if your team loses. Thats not easy. Its something that ive always admired in others, and i think you two have managed that well over the years (Mark more so than Tony 😂) and its also something that ive vowed to try to do going forward. Much respect to the ABs, it was a hell of a game. I look forward to the grudge match that i know is coming next year in The Rugby Championship 🍻

[@paullombard00]

People talking about is SA's style boing and bad for Rugby. Not at all. How can you watch any of the last three games of SA and thik it's boring? Also, in MMA they say 'styles make fights' - same for Rugby, it keeps things interesting. League is exciting for the first few games. you watch and then it all feels very similar. To me, at least

[@adrianincapetown7043]

Barnes never apologized. He said that he "never saw it that way".

[@johncraig9011]

Yeah, they want to have Barnes apologise for the ABs loss. What a laugh

[@Carbojaco]

I'm feeling it for you guys really... Hugs from France

[@BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS_71]

Your energy is contagious! Sending good vibes to everyone watching.

[@garybeharrie]

Barns did not apologize.. he said "sorry, i did not see the replay" meaning he was trying to get savea's attention saying... "sorry/ excuse me... i did not see the replay" and then he went on to say from his perspective, "you did not clear the tackle enough for me" paraphrasing. English as we know is a horrible language since the same words and phrases means different things, depending on the circumstances.

[@dassiemusic]

Greetings from South Africa! Just want to mention that a double brandy and coke is basically a 7-1 split 😂. Anyway, thank you so much for your content throughout the World Cup. I appreciate the insight and the excitement you add! Commiserations for your loss. The AB's played well and all the NZ fans should be proud during this sad time for you.

[@kristian762]

I saw a great meme about the 7-1 split. It goes: the 7-1 split is like when you've been out partying with your mate until midnight, then you get back home and he pulls out 7 bottles of brandy and 1 litre of coke and says "ons gaan nou braai!" 😂😂

[@JustinFastvan]

you may have assisted the Springboks with that Klippies and coke episode. Great podcast and you have been an integral, informed and excellent part of my world cup journey. Thank you

[@SimonBarnes]

Can't wait to see what Razor does with the squad! The Razor/Rassie banter will be next level.

[@rooftile883]

The you go and watch the games where your brother is the ref? 😊.

[@SimonBarnes]

My family is much better looking bru@@rooftile883

[@masterq2.033]

We are doing our best to be as insufferable as possible to our Kiwi supporting co-workers. Had the tables been turned they would be giving us stick 24/7 no doubt.

[@phelansa23]

Commiserations! We’ve been there! It was an absolutely brutal game. I for one could not sit down through the last 20 minutes of the final. Thank you for excellent coverage of the entire tournament.

[@123biglurch]

Hard luck lads, love the POD

[@michaelbaxter7452]

I love crunching tackles more than beautiful tries. I guess that is why I played Flank in school. But yeah that final was awesome those bone crunchers on the all blacks was just awesome

[@danfrost5927]

Great chat boys. Going to take me a long time to get over this one.

[@LambTjops]

The referee didn't apologize for the call watch it back. Ardie pointed to the screen and said the Boks didn't release the ref replied "sorry mate I didn't see the replay, I thought you stayed on him, didn't come off it enough" and all the commentators started shouting and screaming without listening to what is said. The ref literally said he didn't see the replay then explained why he gave the penalty. Where is the so called apology for a wrong decision?

[@april-tui3524]

Kiwi commentaries reaching for an excuse.

[@matthewvosloo1836]

Same here in SA, weather wise. Been cold and gloomy since the final. Even the weather felt the nervous energy as a result of this encounter

[@johntepu]

3rd in 2019, 2nd in 2023 and Player Of The Year. To be fair, both teams had disciplinary and accuracy problems leaving points on the field. Congratulations SA, the hardest route to the cup, was impressive well played and well done.

[@mnothokhuluse1853]

No Barnes did not apologise for not seeing it, he said “Sorry I didn’t see it come off enough”…meaning he didn’t see the release. Also the laws state that players need to make the release very clear to help the ref

[@ryanberelowitz7464]

Frizell was lucky it was only yellow. It was a disgusting cleanout. At this level players are so well coached and are aware of the laws (or should be). There was one other yellow card in the tournament i think it was a Pool D game

[@robertjan002]

Yes. They were impeccable at the ruck all night expect when they needed to eliminate Bongi.

[@timmacdonald9668]

Love your work fellas!!

[@hugomarx1324]

Faf de klerk is the human version of a jack Russel

[@citedcanvas85]

Commiserations lads. Ur were a formidable opponents in the final. Glad Savea and Telia got awards tho well deserved

[@Kryzenosbalt]

Agree with Savea, but I thought Libbok had more big game impact. Also, Nienaaber not getting the coach of the year is just a middle finger to SA rugby 🤣

[@drooky123]

33:30 - that dude criticising how the Boks play only one boring way needs to go back & rewatch the France-SA quarter final. That was end to end action from start to finish, 7 tries in total, a real adrenaline rush. Or rewatch that Twickenham game versus NZ prior to RWC, definitely not boring mate. Or the game in Australia during the most recent Rugby Championship is another good example. The Boks are perfectly capable of different styles of Rugby. Sometimes you have to adapt, adjust, improvise etc depending on playing conditions (RWC final was very wet so was never going to be a high scoring affair), opposition's game plan, unplanned incidents on the day such as player injuries, red or yellow cards etc. But I'm sorry, anyone who thinks that QF game versus France was boring because of the way the Boks played, well then i don't know what to say other than maybe you need to find a different sport to watch.

[@SA911-tl2iy]

When Alexander Bell invented the telephone, he had 2 missed calls from Rassie.

[@LucrismLukas]

😂😂😂

[@timread6612]

Great world cup, 48 matches ago we were watching you both being sick, (school cold and covid) just two grumpy blokes drinking tea! Losing a final stinks I am an english fan so I know feeling! But hey,.. thanks for your show and comments , keep up the fun work 👍 🍻

[@sannieerwee1240]

From SAfrica. Always find your video's very refreshing and honest

[@hendriksmit5187]

Hi here from SA, love your podcast. Why so small beer classes, here they are proper size man. Come on over😂😂

[@nicholaslead6016]

SA don’t always play like that Tony, it depends on the conditions a circumstances. Watching the ABs (who also have a talented attacking back line) dropping the ball, wouldn’t have been lost on the players or the coaches.

[@matthewvanrensburg3824]

I know right. Would've thought the Twicks game would've shown that. We were running the ball that game, it wasn't all mauling tries ect. You have to play to the conditions, field in front of you and does feel ABs fell into an all too familiar trap again where that is concerned and no, not a Foster related issue, its been part of the ABs for decades now.

[@SimonBarnes]

The talk about South Africans playing 'negative' rugby isn't fair. Fra & Ire scored 30 tries, RSA 27. Fra had 630 runs, Ire had 688 runs, RSA 666 runs. No one complains about Ireland and France being boring and negative even though they're largely the same. NZ are literally the only team in the world that play it the way Tony is asking us to play. Entertainment is subjective. Of the last 11 games between ABs and SA, its 5-5-1 with a 15ish point difference favouring South Africa.I love a good scrumming game much more than watching Will Jordan run in a dozen tries on Italy. NZ also had the most cards in the tournament, should we all emulate that too? Interesting side note though how a lot of the conversation isn't about how poor NZ's discipline, but rather focused on changing the laws of the game to suit their outcomes better (not a criticism of Mark or Tony this one). It's quite a laugh to be honest.

[@StarLeo_]

best beer drunk on the pod needs to be a category.

[@StepVis]

Lads look at the bright side, Tony does not have to get a tattoo of Ian Foster on his ass.

[@dyinggaul8365]

This was awesome. Is this feature new? Love it!

[@april-tui3524]

What a great World Cup in the end! I know you’ll be gutted guys but did you think they’d win when it started? Kiwis should be happy ABs improved so much and only had one hard game before the final. I am a bit 😟 over the griping by Kiwis, we’ve got so bad at losing it’s embarrassing. Maybe a result of so much winning ☺️ Frizell was a definite yellow, apparently called a judo roll, and it’s really dangerous and injured a key player. We don’t know if it’s intentional, I do know Frizell has a known bad temper and violent streak. Barnes did not say sorry to Ardie for the penalty, he simply said he didn’t see the replay but that he did not see a release from Ardie. I didn’t either. Canes red card was an easy red, he’s upright and the tackle was never legal. Cane was never our best 7, he was never the right call for the captain, he just doesn’t have the right attitude for me. Kolisi could easily have been a penalty, he was bent and wrapped, nowhere near a red. ABs had opportunities and didn’t play that well IMO, kicking was dire, too many turnovers won by SA and obviously the red and yellow didn’t help. SA also had opportunities for tries they didn’t get. This isn’t the first tight final! I think the 2015 final spoilt us!! I was still disappointed not to see France there, but very happy for South Africa 🇿🇦 really one of the best teams we’ve seen and a cracking coaching team for sure, out of this world. Cheers for all the chat guys 👍🏾

[@Johkey3]

I like that you've mentioned the NHL. I grew up watching rugby and loved watching it. But when I discovered ice hockey when I was 18, I was instantly hooked. Only started getting interested in rugby union again for this world cup (and discovered your channel). I think I will watch a few more games but the slow pace will always make rugby #2 to me. Can't be bothered to learn rugby league

[@shaneelbachoo2480]

Something to keep in mind is that not every team has the skill level of the ABs to play running rugby with ball in hand and use that as their strength or key to victory. The Springboks are good at containing, scrummaging, defending, kicking and then displaying the odd moment of brilliance from the backs. That is what they do and that is how they win games. They play to their strengths, as any team should. There are different styles of play around the world and that is what makes the game interesting. The game would lose some richness and texture if every team played the same way.

[@MPDL21]

The Frizzell card is called a croc roll. It's heavily policed in Europe. It happened in a game involving La Rochelle vs Gloucester.

[@TheSecretsquirrel222]

It was also totally intentional. He moves his arm to fall on the leg properly.

[@allanokeeffe9499]

Barnes actually said - "Sorry, I didn't see it that way" in response to Savea saying he did release first.

[@innercirclemusic1]

I suspect the ABs figured out SAs line-out calls & knew when to jump. Watch as the SA jumpers shift around while the ABs keep their positions & simply go up & steal the ball. The ease & frequency with which they did this suggests the problem was not only with Fourie. He was massive otherwise. P.S. SA attempting drop goals was not a panic. P.P.S. SA played 3 games in which they found a way to conquer the opposition, using defence as a form of attack. Suddenly they are branded as a team playing negative rugby. People have short memories. Rassie got the better of the whole lot & now they have him stuck in their heads. Rassie 10. The rest 0, & comedy fodder for South Africans. Love your channel, Two Cents. The ABs will always be our comrades. Big respect.

[@boemomolefe8303]

Been really negative towards Tony. I apologise. You are actually not too bad. Thanks for the content guys👏🏻

[@CoolStory-Bro]

Actually, gloomy weather here in Durban, and funny enough I wondered about the mood in New Zealand. Dramatic super final, cheers guys.

[@veroniquemathez8051]

Welcome to the club ! From France 💔

[@lyrebirdd]

This is one tough club we in but both our teams did wonders in this world cup ❤

[@lukecorreia3160]

It is sunny just so you know 🔥🔥🇿🇦🇿🇦😂😂 Jokes aside thanks for the content. Have enjoyed it a lot

[@rashidadams8327]

Yeah here in Cape Town it was like NYE on Saturday! Also, our president just announced an extra public holiday on December 15th to celebrate the victory! 🥳 Commiserations, All Blacks fans. You guys are amazing and we know you’ll be back! ♥️🇳🇿🫱🏾‍🫲🏽🇿🇦

[@LucrismLukas]

Why Dec 15th ?

[@samuelmncedisi1065]

@@LucrismLukas Our Matrics [grade 12/12th grade learners] have started their end-of-year exams, and it usually runs for about a month and a half - would be a disruption to the scheduling I'd presume. The 16th of December is a public holiday [Day of Reconciliation] and it would appear it's going to be a long weekend.

[@lyrebirdd]

Lol most people already on holiday then 😭 that president only making his life better and nobody elses. Bokke should've kicked him off the podium as protest 😂

[@robertjan002]

If Frizzell had launched off the top rope with a WWE move some people would say he just slipped. “Frizzell had no intention of going anyone near it.” If he had no intention of going near it, he would not have ended near it. He drops is weight and elbow on it. Hard to square. “His eyes were no where near it.” False, he sights the leg before dropping on it. “His leg was exposed.” What is the player doing dropping on a players hind legs, surely the totally wrong side of the ruck. It’s just amazing how people see the clear tactical implications: nullifying the 7-1 split. Player drops on leg. Player goes off with leg injury. But are unable to draw the clear line of intention through these dots.

[@vineshnaidoo9402]

This brought happiness and pride not just to RSA but Africa ....the entire continent is so proud for this African win...Rugby 🐐 are from Africa.

[@davidr5597]

Tony, without realizing it, hits the nail on the head as to why so many Kiwi's are railing against Tom Foley, the TMO. The current incarnation, that gives the TMO the ability to interrupt the on-field officials for any and all possible infringements completely goes against the open, flowing, continuous front-foot play that we have come to associate rugby with. That style of play is what all New Zealanders associate with rugby at their core. Constant interruption irritates our being at it's core. It's why NZ'ers are leading the charge for eliminating rest breaks and false "injuries" that stop play and bust momentum. "Unconcious Bias" was the buzzword earlier in the RWC and now we are seeing it from Kiwis that naturally want an unbroken free flowing game of ball-in-hand Rugby. I count myself as one of those too. So I'm not just here to stir the pot, but try to understand why so many people are going off online. It's not all just the hurt of losing, it's that they also feel World Rugby is attacking and breaking the game they love.

[@haydenjacobs5866]

Tony, the more you lose against us the more you gonna hate our style. And still you don't know how to unlock it. It's strategy and rugby IQ on a next level.

[@myjdjames]

The feelings you are describing are exactly what I feared.Totally understandable, imagine how happy you guys would have been…

[@JohanThiart]

Stop rubbing it in!! The ABs were the better team, end of story.😊🎉

[@chantelp]

Feel for you guys but you should be proud of your team. They put their hearts n souls into that match. They didn’t concede any tries with just 14 men on the pitch. My heart broke for Cane because that Red card will haunt him forever. I hope Kiwis go easy on him. Thanks for keeping us entertained through this RWC. See you at the next one 👍🏼

[@pdewaal100]

Barnes didn’t apologise for that call. He said sorry I saw it differently. Important difference.

[@bobbler42]

26:00 thank you! This was not Mehrtens’ view on the beeb’s final round-up.

[@gillianfortune570]

@twocentsrugby you said you haven't rewatched the game, I suggest you do, and listen to what Wayne Barnes actually said. He didn't apologize for making the wrong call. He did use the word sorry, but not apologizing for his call, but saying sorry, I didn't see it the way you [Ardie] do. Read the article in the NZ Herald.

[@Mikeup104]

Regards your springbok style convo, you are baited by media comments. Watch the actual springbok play, we score plenty of tries. 4 in the quarter against France alone. I think your just regurgitating the nz media with that one. Rugby is doing incredibly well in SA and we love the style so not everyone feels the same about nz style. Saying that ABs will always be the best rivals.

[@rassienortier5096]

First time I'm listening and must say like your pod. This was 50/50 game from start. All blacks showed class. The Boks killed us this last three weeks, but worth the while.

[@DaveMiller007]

O man I know exactly how you feel I'm still feeling the pain after our 1981 lost against you and with social media these days the world has become so small to hide

[@henkstols9326]

I remember all the games we lost and when we got knocked out it was like I lost interest in the game. The hardest one was against England in 2003 as we sent a seriously weak team to the WC. The one I thought we would do well in 2011 the Aussies nailed us and the ref just ignored hands in the ruck. 2015 against Japan was a nightmare and at least we dominated the AB first half that year but they were much better than us and nailed us the second half. I also remember Tim Horan cut us up in 1999 and Larkham hit the miracle drop goal.