This one misunderstood detail changed the evolution of Uchi Mata forever

[@Chadi]

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[@7-_Kh]

Отличный разбор.

[@jon7222]

Why everyone forgets Jigoro Kano's own work "Kodokan Judo" I'll never understand. In it he clearly lays out that uchi-mata is a technique that is applied as weight is transferred to the leg that is being reaped. The "modern" hane-uchi goshi mata throw is, in my view, a result of the way people train nowadays; death by static uchikomi. This made it difficult to apply uchi-mata properly. Because there is no movement in static uchikomi, whenever people entered for uchi-mata they unweighted the leg they were trying to attack making the technique ineffective. This is exacerbated by the use of the collar grip; tori shoves their elbow into uke's armpit to get them to turn more. The only solution to this problem is to attack the leg that is now weighted. Thus you get this mangled hane-goshi uchi-mata hybrid. It's a technique born of a misunderstanding of what uchi-mata is, compounded by the mistaken belief that tory is trying to turn uke as they lift. Kano's own work clearly states that uchi-mata happens in two stages; first the reaping leg lifts uke and then the arms rotate uke over. All of this is laid out in the Nage no Kata, which preserves the ideal situation to apply the various techniques found within it.

[@jon7222]

@@ddwfw you make them "circle" you by giving them a problem to solve. If both Tory and uke are in right natural posture with the basic sleeve collar grip. Meaning both have right foot forward left foot back. Tory take is a small step to his left front corner with his left foot, while stepping he pulls on uke's collar to uke's left front corner. Uke's left front corner is defined as the line perpendicular to the line connecting uke's feet. Since uke has no base here, he must step forward. This is the actual off balancing part of uchi mata. As uke is stepping Tory is simultaneously moving his body for uchimata by cross stepping into the throw. Throw is then executed. The circling in the Nage no Kata is exaggerated to highlight the principle. Also, when done correctly in the kata the circles get tighter each step. Notice in the video that the third time Tory doesn't step, uke does and gets thrown.

[@MatthieuSCHREK]

@@ddwfw Watch again the Okada clip shown in this video. He demonstrates it to perfection.

[@southpawmoose]

Man, I didn't even know there was another Judo text til later, why do people forget Kano?

[@MaxLohMusic]

@@ddwfw I have seen the exact situation described by jon both in real life and videos of sparring/competition, where the opponent is circling sideways and then gets their lead leg uchi mata'd. IIRC I even saw it happen once in an olympic Judo highlight reel. However, it's rare in high-level competition compared to the "normal" uchi mata. So the conventional one is higher percentage, but the traditional one is more efficient. Personally, I can't do either XD

[@thomass.4007]

KATA is not ideal, its very far from the biomechanical optimum

[@Russet_Mantle]

Great analysis. I've seen way too many "uchi-mata tutorials" teaching heavy hip involvement in lifting. It's classified as an ashi-waza for a reason.

[@johnredmon6762]

As I have not practiced Judo for many years (I am past eighty) it is interesting to see the developments that have accumulated since the 1960's. I numbered uchimata among my useful throws and we concentrated on timing the entry for the attack for right side uchi mata with a side ways /leftward step of the opponent. I like the idea of the outward step. This is using bodyweight like the "drop step" taught by some for atemi and will surely add to the kinetic energy in the kake portion of the throw. I really enjoy your videos!

[@Chadi]

Thank you so much for watching

[@c1aud1023]

Love your detail explanation. Best Judo channel

[@solagratia1600]

This is very stimulating and in-depth exploration of uchi mata, thank-you Chadi for your enthusiasm and keen interest in sharing this

[@mojidoza11]

Great analysis! It helps me to understand the detail of Uchi Mata.

[@haffoc]

one of your better videos. thanks for the analysis.

[@terrykim2743]

Great Teacher Chadi

[@the.wandering.warrior]

awesome thanks for pointing out this detail

[@Chadi]

My maaannn Vincent! Try it out in the grasslands

[@滄溟]

非常感謝你指出的這個細節，對我的柔道學習非常有幫助，謝謝。

[@TheFighterheart]

I believe that this combinatorial explosion of subtle variation is what happens when we concentrate on the possible mechanics of tori, rather than the minimum required mechanics/or manipulation tori's body by uke - and here of course there are many different ways to achieve (and even overshoot) the minimum required manipulation of tori's body. As a judoka I have watched many judo instructional videos in the past... but made my biggest and fastest jump after watching and studying John Danaher's standing instructional videos... his style was completely different from what was taught in my dojos and what I had seen in other instructional videos. He opened my eyes to how to understand throws (even other throws that he did not discuss), he puts a lot of emphasis on understanding the minimum required mechanics that tori has to put in (and high percentage variations instead of holding on to tradition)... once I understood that, I found myself throwing people even with moves that I was creatively coming up with on the spot... because I had a clear sense of direction.

[@upwardspiralobserverse8507]

I completely agree with you, I'm a huge fan of judo and even dream of opening my own school one day. However, I feel mainstream judo culture has its drawbacks. In my experience across various judo schools, the approach is overly traditional. They teach and drill 95% of the time idealized techniques that often fail under the resistance encountered in Randori or actual combat. Unlike other grappling arts I've practiced, where both idealized forms and battle-tested techniques are taught, judo tends to stick to tradition. This approach is less effective compared to others, like wrestling or BJJ, where training immediately involves resistance from the opponent, increasing over time. John Danaher’s philosophy, which I've explored through his instructional videos, have revolutionized my judo skills. My performance has dramatically improved, and while other judokas are skeptical or even upset when I share this, it's the truth.

[@RueTheDay001]

I did some Judo in college decades ago and now am a black belt in BJJ. I never understood why judoka spend so much time arguing over whether a successful throw in competition should be considered one throw vs another. Even in this video "if the hip touches then it's hane goshi not uchi mata", who cares? In BJJ they'll show you a few variations of a technique, tell you the pros/cons of each, and then say "try it out when rolling and see which one works best for you and use that".

[@Chadi]

Who cares? In order to understand the nuances and how advance a throw, one needs to fully grasp how it is done. Throwing with your hips is a completely different way of unbalancing entering and executing than with the legs. These nuances are not only great for intellectual debates but also improve your understanding of the technique and hence your execution. Judo is three types of education. Not just about winning.

[@antonioc1228]

It's reassuring to know I'm not alone in this experience. Although I'm just an orange belt in judo and far from the top in my dojo, I've seen a dramatic improvement after diving into John Danaher's "Feet to Floor" series, particularly the second installment. The first part focuses on throws that are mostly illegal in judo, but the techniques in the second series have been a game changer for me. Suddenly, I've been able to successfully execute throws on almost everyone at my dojo, even against black belts. When they ask what's changed, they're often surprised to learn that my new skills come from a BJJ instructor, John Danaher. While some are simply curious, others are skeptical or even dismissive, doubting that these techniques will continue to be effective.

[@TheFighterheart]

​@@Chadi I agree with you. I love your channel and have watched 300 plus of your videos ❤ Just trust great judokas such as Travis Stevens & Satoshi Ishii that have claimed to have learned from Danaher even when it comes to the standing Game - & give him a shot. He is a deep lover and student of Judo just as you are

[@the36thchamber89]

Awesome breakdown, thank you sir.

[@davidwallace3868]

very eye opening, I never saw it like this, thanks!

[@BigUriel]

I have to correct you there, uchi mata is not loved by everyone. It is my nemesis.

[@furiousfellow1583]

been watching maruyama videos for years, now I see them with different perspective, thanks for the beakdown!!

[@TonyPacenski]

In the fluid Judo example, this is a type of balance breaking and hand presentation I have more success with against either left or right Judokas in randori in the Dojo. I like to have more momentum and ideally have uke on one leg.

[@beskeptic]

Aewsome content my friend! Well done!

[@thinkordie7292]

Thanks again, Chadi. 🙇🏾‍♂️🙇🏾‍♂️🙇🏾‍♂️

[@joatanpereira4272]

It's just like tai-otoshi and tani-otoshi: in tai-otoshi people use their hips and legs, instead of their arms, it's a te-waza; in tani-otoshi, they use their leg, when there should be no involvement.

[@gajorg69]

Good analogy.

[@rexhamilton6381]

Great breakdown

[@Ramboldt]

I never understood why it was like that in the kata, so this video was quite helpful!

[@reevaas]

Great video

[@MrBluemanworld]

Hane Goshi and Uchi Mata are two totally different techniques. Man, am I glad I learned the old stuff.

[@Bl2EAKIN]

Just like every other throw, Uchimata has evolved in a way so that it works in practice against a resisting opponent. I don't understand why multiple channels continue to analyze techniques in a vacuum and looking at demonstrations from Kodokan. Even Japanese competitors don't do that. What makes Uchimata happen is pretty much what makes every other forward throw happen - using YOUR BODYWEIGHT and MOVEMENT to get your opponent out of balance. To create instability in your opponent and break their balance, you must first create momentary instability in yourself as well. For Uchimata, you attach your opponent to yourself by pulling them in, then lean back and down while reaping their leg up, which spreads their hips and makes their supporting leg lose contact with the ground, unless: 1. They are very flexible and you did not actually properly attach them to you. 2. They are taller than you (usually) You see these fundamental concepts in any variation of Uchimata you can find. Whether uke lands a bit higher on the hip, or you reap their leg really low, is not of too much importance - if you have not broken their balance using your bodyweight, the throw is not gonna happen. Chadi, please just watch Korean judokas tutorials and learn how to actually perform throws. After all this time you still do not understand the fundamental concepts of balance, movement and judo in general. For some reason you are also very unathletic, your legs are straight and stiff as sticks. You need to bend your knees in all movements if you want to have any sort of impact. I don't even know how to formulate this, you just move extremely awkwardly and stiff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5PQaoRmYraJn80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZvXZ3ynrd97mdE kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYq4aKOIjrt7o80

[@lazaroreyes7031]

Gracias ❤⭐️⭐️

[@iclio34]

Bonne vidéo, tu t'entraînes à Brétigny ?

[@sushinfudoshin8991]

Any involvement of the hip during the throw would make the throw to be considered as Hane goshi ? I beg to defer, solely on the etymology of "hane goshi", coming from the root word "hane", indicating a whiplash of the (entire) leg. In his book, Hitoshi Sugai gave a very detailed list of the different variations. I agree that this throw has evolved tremendously over time, and we mostly see the same types on the IJF circuit.

[@Dieeeego84]

Melhor canal, não consegue por legendas em português? Obrigado

[@AreteAskesis]

Every time I see a new video on this channel, I think “oh! What goodies does he surprise us with today!!?”

[@Chadi]

🫡

[@pohkimcheng59]

Chadi san please explain more about osoto gari please ❤❤❤

[@ekklesialifeapplicationbib7352]

Judo is great ❤

[@Kriegter]

Uchimata is backwards ouchi gari

[@chrisprad8325]

Do you think this version of Uchi Mata is applicable to No gi?

[@SZ-bi1vk]

which book is this at 2:07 please?

[@fernandohsantos]

The original Nage-no-Kata form of Uchi-Mata is highly effective but it is rare because it's way harder to master. But we see it here and there. The original form should be taught more often, for use in randori and shiai, once training this shintai improves one's Judo by large. For instante, this same shintai is very effective when used for Ouchi-Gari.

[@tosiakif4307]

へぇ 内股って本来こういう技なのね 勉強になります

[@veteransowhat5669]

Now, that's what P. Khan did to Unwar into a tree and then kata jima him for breaking down his heels on his tennis shoes..... P. Khan was a great NHB fighter and was in many Pit fights.....

[@ascended496]

How important is it for the knee to be pointed straight down? My knee always flares outwards slightly when I left my leg past my hip line. Should fix it or does it not matter?

[@Chadi]

@@ascended496 it’s not a major issue, it means your hip is rotated outward, rotate your hip fully downward and your knee will follow

[@CabralNick]

What the book's name you used in the video??

[@MatthieuSCHREK]

Merci Chadi, c'est très intéressant comme toujours. Je suis français et je vis dans le Nord du Japon. Je m'entraîne dans une université avec des jeunes ( j'ai 40 ans ). En ce moment je travaille sur hane goshi, et ta vidéo tombe à pic. Je pense que nous avons le même esprit, et c'est vraiment ce genre de détails et de démonstrations qui m'intéressent. En particulier, la vidéo d'Okada m'a mis une claque. Maintenant que j'y pense, c'est très proche de ce que j'ai vu réalisé dans cette vidéo : kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoWqZ5mubMuMpJo à 18:20. A propos, j'ai trouvé ça sympa de mettre une vidéo de toi réalisant la technique. Matthieu

[@Chadi]

Salut Matthieu, Merci pour le commentaire🙇🏻‍♂️

[@Sbv-25]

What other techniques have changed due to misunderstandings?

[@Chadi]

Kata guruma blurred between yoko sutemi and te waza

[@Potapithikos]

@@Chadi Not because of misunderstanding but due to rule changes for competition

[@David-cw7pd]

Auerswald the german renaissance wrestling master teaches uchi mata this traditional judo way, all grappling is the same in the end

[@anarchic_ramblings]

It's ashi waza, a SWEEP.

[@pcprinciple3774]

Interesting video, I have found uchi mata to be the worst taught / least understood throw. I wouldn't pretend to be an expert, however watching top level judoka do it - it looks nothing like the kata or generally how its taught. In the majority of cases, tori will be gripping almost behind the neck of uki. Without this its extremely hard to approach uki and keep their posture low and you risk walking into an ura nage. They might approach you, but they shouldn't really if you have dominant grips. This also explains why we almost never see uchi mata in NoGi sports being done without a whizzer.

[@minorityofone1510]

Thanks Chadi, in Jiu Jitsu we have outside leg sweeps and also an inside leg sweep. Which is what looks like a " pure" Uchi Mata per Kano - the emphasis is on sweeping the inside of the Uke's leg

[@Sean-rawlins]

9:47

[@alexmost166]

The narrator says you can use the Hane-Goshi-like version can be used to practice positioning... it is VERY WRONG to practice a technique wrong on purpose. You are creating a habit that will be incredibly hard to forget. It is better for a coach to catch mistakes early, makw sure they do it correctly and that's it. As for protecting your partners growings. No. If you're hitting their business, you're doing it wrong, if they let you hit their business, they aren't being a good uke.

[@Ashley-e5v7z]

Confession!! Despite much training, this is the first time it's been fully explained as relating to O-uchi!! Then again, my original coaches taught O-uchi incorrectly; hence when one of their former students returned from the Kodokan, she taught O-uchi properly, which was very confusing for us!!! 💜🌶🧠🌶💜😊

[@acmartialarts2227]

Arigayto shihan Bullshido banzai

[@kempokiin6280]

shaolin kempo pinan 1 12 and 6 o clock turns. Sorry, a lot of our stuff/interpretations suck.

[@veteransowhat5669]

They cant really do anything, thry can lie to me over and over, spend finaces....It isn't worth it really

[@ralfhtg1056]

I find this really confusing. Hip throw, leg throw... Who cares? Does it work? If yes: fine! If no: what can be done to change that? I don't think that if you change one detail it becomes a new technique. For me it is a minor change in doing one and the same technique as each technique has a bandwith of parameters in which it works. 8:42 to 9:10 from a Karate point of view: one and the same technique. No reason to differentiate. So, the name stays the same. That is how things are viewed in Karate. And on a personal note: I dislike how many martial arts rely on gripping parts of the Dogi. Pretty unrealistic if you ask me. No-Gi techniques only!

[@rorymoreno3571]

Safe to assume you don’t know judo then?

[@ralfhtg1056]

@@rorymoreno3571 basic rudimentary knowledge.