THIS ONE'S NOT FUNNY | PSYCHOLOGIST reacts to Sister Wives Season 19 E.4

[@PopPsych]

I thought it was a sincere fight. How could Kody allow himself to look so horrible in a scripted conversation? What did you think? 

[@artbylesleymilne]

His ego allows him to think he's awesome in every scenario. As for Robin, her level of brainwashing and manipulation is black belt level.

[@user-jv5pp8pv9l]

I don't think he thinks he looks horrible. He thinks he's right and everyone else agrees with him. Unless they're fed lies from his ex wives that is.

[@dawna1214]

He's falling on the sward for Rob-ems honor. This was not a real argument.

[@nova601]

The Janelle and Kody fight was a real fight this was an attempt to make everyone say oh Robyn isn’t so bad it’s all Kody. Robyn and Kody are both at fault. If Robyn cared about the other kids she wouldn’t have kept her kids away from their siblings and other moms. She didn’t give a crap when Ysabel had a major surgery. Another odd thing why are they standing outside of the house arguing in the cold? This was all a publicity stunt.

[@Nicola-ii7mm]

He doesn’t think he looks horrible, he thinks people will be sympathetic to his pain and predicament!

[@joeswife]

Kody calling his own children "these people" says it all.

[@lindabecconsall6317]

Kody went from Janelle's children and Christine's children to these people. Beyond Disgraceful

[@Graceunderpressure63]

☝️that part!

[@Georgia-qo2ju]

I'm sorry. TLC is trying to sell us a redemption arc for Kody and Robyn. I'm not falling for it.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

🎯

[@tiaa668]

​@TellyShaun Yes, TLC doesn't care about if people like Kody and Robin they like the drama for the show, but at this point, the audience refuse to watch, and the show is going to end. TLC wants their profitable show that got good ratings back.

[@kathleensatterwhite9809]

Ya, this was the end for me. I can't believe you can't see through the fog. I wouldn't recommend one single person seek counseling with you. You are a fool. Unlike. I subscribed. Done.

[@meenachadha3766]

I did fall for it a little. Not the "fight" but in the couch confessional when he acknowledge not going to Isabelle surgery and demanding that Gabe and garrison leave the house so he can see Janelle was his pride. And given the toxic masculinity that is taught in polygamy and how young men are seen as threats by the "father figures" I was a little surprised he owned his pride got in the way of things

[@bridgettross4589]

Great show.

[@Tammy-wu1xb]

Cody is a deadbeat dad who abandoned his kids to raise Robin’s kids, all encouraged by Robin! Robin is a master manipulator, and Cody is a narcissist!

[@lynnebarnes3840]

🎯

[@fledge1234]

Agree. Robyn set the expectation that her kids cannot be away from Kody for more than a few days. In truth they were rarely without him at all, because Kody lived full-time with Robyn.

[@marisatotero630]

Exactly! And she is still using manipulation to BS her way through this scene. And Kody is so far gone, there is no redemption!!

[@lauriewoods8018]

Robyn is only pitching in to save the pay check.

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

I can't agree more. And it was revealing when she told us about her own dad. I'm sure she decided at a young age she would never ever ever ever ever let her kids be without a dad at home. And she manipulated that quite well.

[@MISERABLE66]

Robyn is a phony. That whole episode was made for Robyn to look good. If Robyn was truly that person who cares about the kids, they would'nt be where they are right now. He would'nt even need to fight for them. Imagine calling your children "these people". Disgusting!! Robyn saying "the kids believe what they're being told" is ironic because she told her children a bunch of lies about their father and she alienated them from him.

[@diamondsandhenna]

This was filmed BEFORE Garrison's death. There was nothing to set up. She's encouraging Kody to see his kids... which HE DIDNT!

[@joyceronsley237]

I think she is fake too..

[@Imahappygirl25]

I 100% agree! It was damage control for robin

[@brookewebb8784]

1000% agree with you. Staged to make her look better

[@anitakrijgsman5778]

This was all scripted and fake just like their game night with them playing Jenga... You could tell they never do this.. They just try to make Robyn look good, but they seem to forget we've seen 18 episodes of her not caring about anyone else accept herself and her kids.

[@jackiejackman8664]

The weird thing about him saying Maddie was the one who moved so far away. Um they moved to Vegas to be close to you and you moved everyone to flagstaff. 😤

[@anitakrijgsman5778]

...what Robyn wanted to be close to Dayton.. 🙄

[@trixietrx2346]

And they moved because Caleb got a job there.

[@Imzadi]

@@trixietrx2346how dare them do what’s best for their children and for Caleb to get an actual job - something Kody knows nothing about!

[@alaskavanrs8264]

Kody moved the whole family to accommodate Robyn’s separation anxiety from her adult, college-aged son right after Maddie moved to Vegas to be near them.

[@critiquerwhittaker]

💯

[@paulacassianodias7990]

Look at how Robyn alienated her kids from their bio dad. That's why I have a hard time believing she is sincere.

[@suesue3974]

I dont like Robin or Kody at all but if a dad is willing to give up his rights and allows another man to adopt his kids I dont think he cares to be involved.

[@1ejordan]

​@@suesue3974unless he was threatened to do so.

[@LittleSuisseGirl]

@@1ejordanabsolutely! Those two (KnR) are monsters‼️

[@Shut-up-Shelly]

Narcissists all have to alienate other people close to the ones they want to totally control. That is Robyn she did it for her own children from their dad then Cody’s kids away from him…too coincidental. Robyn is a narcissist and so is Cody. It’s just Robyn has “P” power more than Cody has “d” power over her.

[@alisonclark5416]

This whole episode was a PR stunt gone wrong. Robin has come between him and his kids. She escalated the problems with Gabe and garrison when they begged her to see their father. Her response was to blame the kids. She did not kick him out the house when Isabel was sick and insist that he is there for Isabel . She is not innocent. Out of 13 kids she only makes a connection with one child. Hello! Even meri has a relationship with more that one kid. Cody😢 is just delusional abt his superior complex. He is to good for his kids. He has not connected with his 13 kids. Because in his mind the wives should have ensured he had a relationship with his kids.

[@CATAGUILAR]

I agree !

[@diamondsandhenna]

She encouraged Kody to see his kids. HE DIDNT!!!! How is this set up???

[@sandracarter9952]

10 years later and 3 divorces later. GTFOH ​@@diamondsandhenna

[@brookewebb8784]

Agreed 💯

[@Wandafully_Wanda]

​@diamondsndhenna4784 set up or not, it's too late. She encouraged and enjoyed him spending all his time at her home, alienating everyone else. Telling him on camera this one time doesn't count.

[@helenahempton2661]

Are you forgetting Robyn saying she doesn’t want to see the kids during Christmas because they “aren’t safe”? Are you forgetting Robyn’s manipulation during the gift text exchange? Are you forgetting she had Mykelti send all the kids text messages saying she didn’t want to talk to them because they “were unsafe”? Do you remember Robyn talking to her kids telling them nobody in the family wanted to spend the holidays with them? I don’t see how this changes your perspective of Robyn.

[@HeadDown26]

@@helenahempton2661 I feel like he gives Robin so much grace but attacks everyone else. Christine literally can’t catch a break with this guy. He’s always finding ways to divide the fault when honestly Robin and Kody should have told the wives that they were in love and no longer wanted to share in Las Vegas instead of moving them all the way to Flagstaff only for the rift to spread.

[@Spinsterwife]

Also, remember zkody asking Robin if they could lighten up on the covid rules so the kids could come for Christmas, and she said no?

[@eliezersalazar4361]

THIS

[@ashleypg1708]

He might have forgotten, but no one else has lol.

[@shannonsaunders6336]

@@HeadDown26 Robyn (at least on camera) actively keeps trying to pull Meri in despite Kody being vicious in his desire to have all things Meri fall off a cliff and never be seen or heard from again. It further makes it look like she wants the sister wives and it was him that abandoned the whole ordeal while crying that his dreams are shattered. She's not doing him any favours to redeem his image.

[@deniselevesque9464]

Robyn is genuinely concerned for Robyn.

[@ashleypg1708]

And trying to get everyone to stop hating her. That's all that was.

[@msmendes214]

I bet this was at the point where they released the footage of Gabe crying on Sister Wives.. Robyn saw that and was like "oh sh*t, we look really bad" and this is her attempt at damage control. But I don't think she was truly concerned about the kids anytime BEFORE that.

[@debbiebellamak]

she will have to answer to her own kids eventually and it worries her. She is only worried about her own kids.

[@grumpyschnauzer]

As she should be. She was coaxed by the guy and didn’t have the bonds with the other women they had with each other.

[@Chumpess_X]

Wait for them to come to him? The father who helped create the children, then abandoned them for a new family, is insisting his children come kiss the ring so they can have a relationship….and now for one of his sons it’s too late. It’s too fking late, Kody! He’s triggered?? Image how triggering it is to watch your father play happy families on tv with other kids, but want nothing to do with you. Imagine how triggering it is to hear your father speak so disrespectfully about your mother to an audience of millions. He is infuriating.

[@deborahbechtel3881]

Amen!

[@rachg82]

It especially drives me crazy that he misuses therapeutic language like "triggered" and "safe."

[@angelatheriault8855]

Maddie and her husband lived next door to Kody in Las Vegas. He’s the one that moved to Arizona and left them behind.

[@wintergirl8]

They lived in his house

[@angelatheriault8855]

@@wintergirl8 Wow! I didn’t realize that. He REALLY left her behind. He has some nerve complaining about her. Maybe he could afford a flight to North Carolina to visit her and her family if he wasn’t so busy investing in all that expensive “art”.

[@lil1010devil]

Absolutely!

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

Are you saying five houses were built in that court?

[@Rebeyells]

@@tinafrompasadena3192yes they lived with Jonelle in Vegas

[@carrieclark636]

Sorry, but I think this whole fight was staged to try and reconstruct Robyn's reputation. I don't think she cares about the kids. She just cares about how we perceive her.

[@cathyconklin5135]

I agreed 👍🏻

[@angiedee3093]

I agree 100%! This season so far has been designed to salvage Robyn’s reputation. I’m not buying it for one second.

[@prvbs_31]

You’re believing Robin? She caused issues with all the children when she stepped into the Christmas text string. She enabled Kody’s ridiculous Covid rules. Oh, Robin is culpable for the destruction of the family.

[@ShazIam23]

They were both seen in public and crowded places without wearing masks etc while insisting that the rest of the family followed the covid rules.

[@AnnetteSalter]

They (robyn and kody) swore it was kody's covid rules but yet any time a wife asked can we do things together? Kodys response was let me ask robyn if it's OK. Even if he was agreeing to what the other wives were asking for he always said he needed to ask robyn first before committing. Why couldn't he have gone back to robyn and just say a wife wants to get together with us and all the kids?

[@denisenaylor3595]

Meri never went anywhere and I remember Noodlehead saying can't we let her come and see the kids...Cruella states NO I don't think it is safe. What about you being out with your kids in a car getting pulled over (with no mask), and getting a ticket. THAT WAS OK... I can’t believe people agree with Robyn...Total PR STUNT... Does TLC think we are stupid.

[@AnnetteSalter]

@denisenaylor3595 I've started to think maybe TLC is trying to quietly expose boodle head and brows. There's enough footage out there to rewatch showing where they both talk out of both sides of their mouths. Lol

[@kacklina]

I don't think I hear him saying he he doesn't believe Robin either, he's just talking about Kody's responsibility in it, although I might have missed that part, I'm not paying that much attention...

[@4kassis]

If you believe that this argument was not staged I have a bridge to sell you…

[@Roe-RoeG]

Yeah in Brooklyn right! 🙄

[@BekEhr]

I have some beachfront property in Montana he’d love lol

[@BrittanyNgo01]

I don't know... I absolutely know that reality TV is scripted at least a little bit but I have a really hard time believing that a narcissist would be kosher with his wife (scripted or not) saying that she's losing respect for him in front of millions. The ego just cannot abide. I do absolutely think that him almost crying, him being regretful or remorseful and him saying he'll try are 1000% either scripted, acted or both.

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

​​@@BrittanyNgo01 Narcissist always need somebody on their side. And him being choked up is probably possible when he thinks about his dream of being a king of the castle went down the drain I'm sure there are a lot of things that are crushing him that he used to have control over and no longer. That's why he likes the little kids better because they don't see through him yet

[@mariel.8809]

They both felt like they deserved an academy award after those performances. Robin tries to show how compassionate and reasonable she is, how much she cares for his children 😂 Kody tries to show how wronged he’s been😂 And it would be hilarious, if it weren’t all so sad. RIP Garrison

[@memasam1]

Thank you for verifying he was not heartbroken but ego broken. I thought that immediately.

[@tanyacunningham6518]

Robyn is always calculating and manipulating. Don’t be fooled!

[@maganalia]

Exactly. All day people have been saying she seems nicer. HA! She'll do and say anything to keep that check coming in.

[@theresam2000]

Tbh, I can’t believe he fell for it, Robyn has zero credibility and those of us that follow the brown family dumpster fire know exactly what robyn is.

[@Hazel-bz5bp]

It was scripted by BOTH of them that went horribly wrong. She kept to script as loving concerned step mom, but Kodys let conversation go sideways because his ego took over. And Robyn’s intention to visit Mykelti was purely to say “see I’m selfless and loving”. It was all a PR stunt that ultimately uncovered what monsters they are. Robyn’s “loving act” didn’t last long as none of them talk anymore.

[@lindaefraim5895]

Robyn always call herself stepmom.

[@Lady.Scorpio7]

Exactly!! Robyn didn't go to Mykelti's out of the goodness of her heart. She went t just to spite Christine and to try to make herself look good.

[@lidiam7710]

It’s hilarious…what about Robyn’s ex. The kids WANT to be with him but SHE had kody adopt them! She speaks out of both sides of her mouth.

[@HeadDown26]

That’s why it’s so thick

[@starflower7709]

Yes, that's right 💯

[@Imzadi]

She is the queen of parent alienation because she was the victim of it at one point.

[@hayhayemmie]

It hurt to hear him call his children “these people”. Imagine what it felt like for them to hear. It’s still shocking to hear Robyn complain about how sad it makes her even now that her biological father wasn’t in her life after her parents divorced, while forgetting she manipulated the destruction of her own children’s relationship with their biological father. The self awareness with these two is nonexistent and it seems apparent their faith system breeds delusions of superiority and arrogance.

[@rachg82]

Totally forgot while watching this that she did that with the bio dad.

[@nelliekenny9630]

With the internet , it's not hard to have contact with your family. My friend reads her grandkids bedtime stories on facetime. He has no excuse.

[@Daoneandonlyt]

Exactly

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

Truth!!!

[@MrsPotts98]

Yup! My mom’s in another country and FaceTimes my son almost every day.

[@Imzadi]

My children know my mother and step father very well. They visit a few times a year and FaceTime weekly. Phone calls happen even more frequently.

[@carolannmacdonald5086]

Which is how he could have stayed in touch during covid.

[@DrofJustice]

Kody, with Robyn’s assistance, has abandoned his OG kids, physically, emotionally, and financially. He has demonstrated contempt and disloyalty to them and their mothers for years by flagrantly favoring Robyn and her kids. Kody is experiencing the natural consequences of his actions and FEELING guilt and shame. Robyn enabled him in this and they both blame-shift by saying the kids are brain-washed by their mothers and by gossip. Robyn is trying to improve her image by telling Kody to do things she KNOWS he won’t. He must be humble to fix things, and that is entirely impossible for him.

[@Imzadi]

This comment is exactly everything that is going on. You’ve put into words perfectly. The narcissist and the master manipulator!

[@EbonyMontgomery-jf5gv]

This is so true.

[@GrannyDi276]

I don't think Robyn ever wanted the OG3 or their children around after the first couple years....

[@kimberlybrown5348]

Garrison died and kody still hasn't made up with his living children. What a dumb person.

[@LoreDeluge]

This is old footage from two years ago. At least it is supposed to be. Probably a scripted fight from two years ago, or recently done.

[@Roksee]

​@LoreDeluge yes this conversation happened way before Garrison passed away.

[@user-vs6hx9ib2o]

This is like 2 years before he died. We have no idea what the status of his relationships are now

[@amandastephenson800]

Based on social media we know he hasn't improved the relationships. In fact they're worse! They don't have a relationship with mykelti and Tony anymore 😢

[@Pacissej]

@@LoreDelugeyes but the KZbinr mentions him waiting for his heart to not be broken and fixing his relationship with the boys and includes garrisons name. Making it sound as if there’s still even the opportunity to fix that relationship.

[@tanyarosemeyer5513]

My eyes rolled so hard through that conversation I gave myself a headache. The whole thing was bs but the comment I found the most jarring was “you are the person I love most in the world”. I’m sorry but it should ALWAYS be kids over spouse. In a burning building I’m saving my kids first over any spouse, even their father, and that’s what he would want too because you should love your kids over anyone else “in the world” and that just told me all I need to know about kody.

[@candacebarlow9296]

My grandma said, any person who would choose anything over their children isn't a good person

[@BrittanyNgo01]

As someone who was estranged from my narcissistic father until he died earlier this year, a genuine apology would have gone a long way and would have mended a lot of fences. Kody has one brief moment of clarity where he says that he regrets telling his boys to move out during COVID and regrets not going to Ysabel's surgery. He also mentions that several of the people that refuse to speak to him are Janelle's children. If he would just tell them that and apologize for his part in it (with no buts added in) then I am 100% positive that that would go a long way in fixing his relationship with them. But he's not going to do that because of his ego and because it's easier not to. It's a lot easier to just write them off than it is to show some vulnerability and work on himself so he's never going to do it. I do wonder if he feels any real remorse or guilt over this philosophy now that Garrison is no longer with us. I certainly hope he does.

[@ShazIam23]

I think Garrison's death was probably the final straw for the few kids who were still having some form of contact with K&R. He'd had 2 years after this episode to try and build bridges, and he just didn't bother. Also, him not seeing Truly or Savanah (who still lived in Flagstaff!) in all that time, nor paying any child support for them, purely because he was bitter about their mothers. It's no surprise at all that they've washed their hands of him. Too little, too late.

[@rachg82]

I agree. I do also suspect though that he isn't actually sorry for those things because he believes he was in the wrong. I think he still believes his actions were justified. I think he sees them as mistakes only because of the consequences that followed, hence why he described it turning into a "power play" after asking the kids to move out. Of course it wasn't actually a power play on the kids' part or Janelle's. But it was to him, so he projects that onto them. But it highlights that he regrets the "power play" and everyone turning against him more than he truly regrets hurting them and having the wrong priorities/outlook back then.

[@DearestDawn]

If you cut off contact with your dad, how would he apologize? Do you owe him an apology?

[@BrittanyNgo01]

@@DearestDawn The reason I went no contact was because the day I arrived back from the hospital with my newborn he was in a bad mood and was picking a fight with me. He asked me how I felt about my sister's ex and I told him that I didn't think he was all that bad, he didn't agree so he got in my face and started yelling and cussing me out. He had a heavy oak cane and he was swinging it around while he was talking, almost hitting me and almost hitting my newborn in the head several times. Then he decided to bring up every little thing I did wrong growing up, like things I did when I was 11 (I think one was that I had taken like $2-3 out of his wallet). I asked him to leave and we never spoke again after that. I never blocked his number, he knew my email and he knew where I lived. I told my mother that all I needed was an apology for his behavior to talk with him again and he let 8 years go by then he died. So, no, I didn't owe him an apology. Also, outside of this whole ordeal, he was an unloving and abusive father my whole upbringing. He had 4 children and NONE of them were talking to him by the end. If all of your children no longer want anything to do with you then you've got to be the common denominator. Just keep in mind that for people who cut out their parents they one: long for a healthy parent/child dynamic and two: it is so rarely the first time something crappy has happened. We only cut out a parent after being pushed to our limit for years. But, I guess I'm curious why you're even asking? I typically find that people only go down this line of questioning when they're guilty of the same kind of behaviors. 😬

[@melissasears6145]

I almost fell for robin telling him to try with the kids then i remembered mary asking if she should ask Janelle and the kids to her Christmas eve and robin said it would be unsafe also i remember kody saying the kids couldn't come to Christmas until they had a conversation if robin felt those were her kids why wasn't she heartbroken then no way would he tell my kids not to come to my house

[@Kirstenshelves]

Agree! @PopPsych ( English is not my first language) I cannot believe you felt for this after watching 18 seasons of Robyn. Truely lived 5 minutes away from Robyn. She and Kody drove by her house every time Sol and Ari were drivingto school. Where was Robyn speech about dividing his (Kody) time? And for Savannah and Ysabel? Where was her speech for his youngest children, apart from ger own, in Covid time? Kody did it not find convenient to see them outside. Covid and the Covid season duration was 3 years. Never ever you hear Robyn talking about losing respect or neglect or her own father experience. Why did she not pushed Kody to be outside for a day to help Christine with Ysabel and her recovery? In the 6 weeks of recovering there where moments Kody and Robyn could have helped. Or took Truely in or something. Where is Robyn with a speech for Truely? She never had a father experience because Robyn wanted Kody to be there for her own children. There was no Kody present with the graduation car- thing with Gwen or Savannah. He choose to spend that experience with Aurora and later Breanna. Never you hear one word from Robyn. There are 3 years with avi g problems wit Kody and his older children. When giving a change to see his children with Christmas on neutral ground with Meri she found it scary and ruled this out. Also Christmas with the B&B there was not a word from Robyn to go to see Savannah. Thee are so many examples where Robyn is the one who could have helped with the relationships and she did nothing. She only wanted the title of “Loyal to Kody”. I think this exchange on the driveway was filmed after the dead of Garrison. She now is showing her true colours to talk like she really, really did make a effort. If so, why not showing so much earlier after the backlash with the operation of Ysabel? Why not showing more often she really tried to help his children reunited with Kody? In other seasons she was pushing themback and now did? And now she is the martyr who was helping Mykelty, as first and while laying on the floor, in a closet? This is a redemption- tour and for me so not sincere.

[@jklow13]

So many therapy vomit works- unsafe, triggered. It’s all too much! Robyn 100% coddled his kids and kept them separated.

[@Clutching.My.Pearls]

Kody wasn't 'madly in love' with his children's mothers, with the exception of Robin. The emotional harm those words did to his very nice children, can't be repaired. That Kody wants his children to bow down and respect him is inconceivable. That Robin now wants to make it seem like she's a peacemaker who 'speaks Kody' is laughable.

[@d.delgado4585]

What frustrated me with the conversation wasn't just his inability to speak with people who wouldn't praise him, but how he would repeatedly say to Robyn, "What have I done wrong?" And Robyn, instead of being like "Well, you didn't contact your kids for Christmas, not even Savanah who wasn't saying negative things about you, and you went to that wedding despite actively refusing to see your children because of Covid," she starts talking about how they've heard untrue things from other people. It's clear that Robyn is blaming the kid's mothers and saying that they turned their kids against Kody when Kody did things that caused the fracture in that relationship. The reason that Robyn is safe for Kody is she refuses to be real with him about his own mistakes. But I agree completely that Kody isn't mourning anything other than the hits to his own ego.

[@Cornwall3]

This! It pissed me off. She just coddles him like the freaking baby he is. They deserve each other.

[@dominiqueuniquenique9752]

I laughed so hard when Kody said, "I have work....." 🤣

[@g.flesch9731]

Kody lives with Robyn who is a piece of "work".

[@confidential5897]

Robyn had always provided a completely toxic supply for Kody's narcissism. That's why he turned on everyone else in the family; he wanted the same affirmation from the OG fam that he got from Robyn. She's still doing it here - she's telling him to talk to the kids but she's still playing along that the moms fed them lies. He's never going to call them when he's still allowed to pretend he's the victim.

[@mariel.8809]

🎯

[@TheMarshedpotatoes]

I completely agree. She is so manipulative and phony. Her “efforts” are only when the cameras are rolling.

[@traceymackay3573]

Kody is just like my ex. He blamed everything on everyone but himself. Even if your kids are adults, they want you as the parent to acknowledge their pain, which is very real. My ex died without seeing our oldest daughter for years. She tried at one point in time to talk to him, but of course, he couldn't acknowledge his part in her pain. She refused to allow his toxicity into her life. Kodys kids are protecting themselves and their families as they should!

[@-pinkbutterfly-6972]

At first, I was proud of Robyn. Then, I remembered Robyn has had no problem taking all of Kody's time for 14 years, and now she cares? She drove a wedge between her kids and their dad. She let Kody use her as an excuse not to father his children. Even in this clip, she enables his b.s. She's only bringing this up on film because she's embarrassed. She has a deadbeat for a spouse.

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

As soon as I heard how her father not being home with her affected her I knew that's how she manipulated Cody to never be gone more than a minute. Look at the children's she's raised. Anxiety. Depressed. Pacifier for 6 years. She's really played all of her negative emotions on her family

[@cristinadamore6585]

I’m very confused by Robyn’s stance in this argument. Why then did she shut down the Christmas gift exchange in the family text thread? She pushed the kids away and accused them of not liking her and her kids? Which is the real Robyn? I’m sorry, I feel she is trying to change her image. I’m not buying it.

[@Bellybutton1986]

@@cristinadamore6585 It's one year later, maybe she changed her opinion and really sees she needs to push more.

[@anitakrijgsman5778]

Her kids couldn't be at Logan's wedding. If she really wants to change things maybe she could start with getting ALL the kids together. Let Ariella and Sol go to Christine to visit Truley for a couple of days. Let them go and visit Mykelti or Maddie even.. Heal the relationships between her kids and the OG3 kids. But she doesn't want that. So why would she be advising Kody to heal his relationship with his kids.

[@j.johnson7296]

@@anitakrijgsman5778she’s always worried it won’t be “safe”. The kids will witness something traumatic. Maybe she’s worried the other kids will frighten her kids by telling them how crappy Kody is.

[@busybeeswizzle6048]

Have they ever released the group chat?

[@mariel.8809]

🎯

[@AngelicaJCardona]

5:15 what makes it worse is that we're two years past the events in the show and we know what happened with Garrison. So Kody "waiting until he feels better" literally cost him the chance to fix things with Garrison forever.

[@MaryKnapp-xy6id]

I could never love my father if he told me he never loved my mother

[@michele1491]

It is hurtful on so many levels. I cannot imagine.

[@candacebarlow9296]

Looking back on my younger life, I don't think my mom loved my dad, she wanted a father for her 2 kids(their dad died) and my dad fell in love with her, so she married him.

[@shannonsaunders6336]

I only pretended to have a relationship with your mom and visit her house out of a sense of duty (but dont worry kids clearly I actually wanted to be there spending time with you too, which he never says). He used the fact he didn't want their moms and their rightful anger at him as an excuse to bail on the kids too and then blame the woman for it.

[@rachg82]

Right! And not only didn't love them but also then stayed with them for decades, leading them on with mixed messages and toxic intermittent reinforcement, wasting years of their lives, trashing their self-esteem (Meri & Christine, anyway), and only telling them directly after all those years that "hey, btw I'm not attracted to you/never loved you. But how dare you betray me by kicking me out of the house and leaving me." So effed up. Convenient to leave all that out, Kody! Not to mention those kids have many other reasons to be pissed at you too! Such a POS.

[@shawnhunter228]

That’s what narcissist do when they get butt hurt.

[@pippiecarr9378]

Why is it so hard for men to believe that women can be so selfish, cruel, egotistical, nasty, psychopathic, controlling, abusive, horrible, and manipulative. Robyn helping Mykelti means nothing. She doesn't wipe away alll the years of hurt, and unhinged behaviour that she did that caused pain to all the other children.

[@NM-ub6ml]

Yup... robyn is mentally damaged and damaging others. She just hides it a little. Look at her actions not her words.

[@ambertheoriginal5100]

Robyn needs a nanny for her own kids. She needed Mykelti for her kids when she was still a kid!

[@elsvandijk5619]

Robin and Kody talked with a cameracrew in their face, Robin did damagecontrole to save the show/paycheck, angle them back under his control and stop them from talking in public.

[@noepp]

When you just thought Kody couldn't become more unsafe he smashes that right away when he opens his mouth. I've never seen such a self centered evil narcissist parent.

[@msdaphne]

Kody once said, "It's all ego." His problem is that his ego is both fragile and has an external locus of control. He clings to Robyn for all of his familial validation. I see his frustration that he has put in any effort into relationships and is not getting his ego stroked in return. He's talked about having "fomo". The problem with big big egos is that usually there is nothing internal holding them together. Except pride, perhaps.

[@ellencercone9299]

I usually agree with your assessment but Robyn pulled the wool over your eyes She knows the public hate her so she try’s to make it look that she cares about the kids She doesn’t 😳🤷‍♀️🇨🇦

[@CahliaShay]

Exactly, and remember this is the time when some of the kids first started coming out and saying stuff about the family. Robyn doesn't care about them. Not that long ago she was saying they were "not safe".

[@karen81986]

Agree

[@destinyisfake]

@@ellencercone9299 Right, Mykelti said that her and Robyn had a falling out over Garrison funeral!

[@babushka_OG]

This is the Cody we knew he was. Narcissistic, ego driven, and absolutely selfish. Cody didn't have relationships with his kids LONGGGG BEFORE THE "DIVORCES."

[@DTMVwithReba]

It almost made me feel they hired a PR consultant and this was their advice…… here’s your script!

[@2enjoy1]

💯🎯

[@mardyross2838]

.... and then do a survey to see the effects.

[@alettahendricks4175]

Robyn is trying to do damage control Christine already said she said one thing but her actions showed another and i dnt think it's she wants him to have a genuine r.lstionship with his kids,but she wants him to do something about them trying to speak out against them,like if he makes things right with them the public won't have anything negative to say

[@NM-ub6ml]

Yup and also that robyn never ever let's thing s go

[@Laur288]

My dad was similar with his wife's children's. Yes, she pushed it, BUT at the end of day... ALL OF THIS IS ON KODY. KODY IS THE FATHER. KODY IS AN ADULT. A good parent will tell her, "That's my kid. Deal with it or kick rocks." Period. THIS is why I believe if you cannot love a child like its yours then you shouldn't be with them. Period.

[@cindycase1726]

It hurts my heart for his estranged children because this man isn't capable of repairing any relationships with them and probably never will be. He just doesn't have it in him to do so. I think he would only hurt them more than he already has.

[@sarahtheteacher]

Here’s something I haven’t heard anyone say: narcissistic men, in particular, have a hard time with GROWN children. When children are small, they have adoration for their parents. You can clearly see the older children adored him when they were small. On the flip side, when these kids grow up and develop their own opinions, and that parent loses the adoration, the narcissistic parent will cut them off. My x husband did this with his biological children.

[@MCPaul-ct9fq]

Excellent point. Dealing with that now!

[@tabithasutton2035]

That fake argument with Kody and Robyn was a joke. You’re the first person I’ve seen think it was a real argument. You could tell it was all staged to try and make Robyn look better. On the other side I do think her going to help with the newborn twins was a genuine thing and think it was amazing of her to do that.

[@lindorini]

The "argument" was a PR stunt.

[@tiekasecru7282]

We don‘t know when this was filmed. I have no idea if there is still snow in March or April in Flagstaff. My personal opinion is that this is a strategic move because otherwise K and R would have been „digitally slaughtered“ after Garrisons passing. PR for Robyn. And she throughs Kody under the bus to her own benefit. Kody has a huge lack of emotional intelligence and more… he is not aware that even his beloved wife makes him scape goat no 1

[@luckyplucker]

"amazing" just helping out with newborns ahhhhh amazing think not,,, more like "desperate" amazing would of been they had the family at there big home and treated her to like spa treatment,,, not crowd her apartment or whatever.

[@SusieQ-mn3qf]

​@@tiekasecru7282It snowed in Flagstaff 3x after Garrison's death. It could be post-Garrison footage.

[@showardnutrition]

I think being isolated as a family unit during covid showed them they could function in their own, which is what they always wanted, but they failed to factor in the financial hit they'd take as a result of that. Hence Robbin forcing Kody to start mending relationships. I didn't buy a word of the fake, or 'augmented reality' argument.

[@-pinkbutterfly-6972]

Kody took his wives and left his daughters Maddie and her baby in Vegas. Maddie was sad about them leaving her. She moved to Vegas to be close to them.

[@pearlbubbles6885]

Kody couldn't afford the children he had, so he gets a 4th "wife'" adopts her 3 children, then has 2 more children. All for a reality show.

[@AdgTee21]

The only thing Kody wants is blind loyalty and ADORATION. From the wives and all the kids. Yes, he loves being the center of it all. Dr David, find the episode where his HS friends talk about Kody as a young man. Also, an interesting discussion would be about how Kody fooled us AND himself that he was in love with his first three wives. I believe he was….in a weird way. BUT, I have an interesting thought. I think Kody is so enamored of Robyn that he says all these things about never loving the first three so that Robyn feels his undying love. Like she was his FIRST TRUE love. He’s got her waaaay up on a pedestal in his sick delusional mind. But! She’s there to adore him unconditionally and be the LOYAL one. She feeds his ego. He can’t get enough of her adoration. And she plays it good! 😮

[@betsybabf748]

Robyn's whole conversation with Kody looked like a re-enactment. It certainly looked like she was manipulating on camera to trick to trick the audience in response to the backlash she has received. Robyn has actively caused problems with Kody and his children so you can't believe her. She wouldn't have done all the things she has if she cared, and she certainly wouldn't have demanded Kody rush home from his barely-seen children who felt abandoned already if Ari missed him or if she didn't want to take her children to school by herself in the morning.

[@bunnybunny3536]

Robyn is not as culpable as Kody is re the deterioration of his relationship with his kids. However, keep in mind, this conversation we saw in the last episode was filmed TWO years ago, before Garrison’s death. What we know today is that since that time, both of their relationships with the kids have severely worsened. We know there was some kind of episode or exchange at the services for Garrison that appears to have even fractured Robyn’s relationship with Mykelti, whose twins are about TWO years old now. We know that Mykelti has said that even before Garrison’s death, she was hardly ever hearing from R & K, and that contact was always initiated by HER. So I think in this discussion, Robyn is saying what she thinks she should be saying, but then turns around and does absolutely nothing. As usual. We also know that every time one of the kids contacted Robyn to discuss the family fracture, that never ended well and she immediately ran to Kody to complain. I interpret her intended purpose in having this discussion on camera for Robyn is to absolve her of any culpability in the breakdown of the family and put the disintegration of the Browns all squarely on Kody - and he, OTOH, accepts no culpability for anything.

[@WGSNanny]

Obviously, Kody doesn’t know about FaceTime. 🙄

[@maganalia]

Exactly! Grandparents the world over talk to their grandkids every darn day! He's so full of crap.

[@paulan7218]

@@maganalia exactly I live in Massachusetts. My parents live in Florida. My daughter talks to my parents almost daily through FaceTime.

[@mariadoas5829]

Not unless it's cameo, and he is getting paid to use it.

[@jklow13]

Yes!!! I was thinking this. We don’t live close to my in laws and yes they can’t come all the time… but we FaceTime, they send cards. We stay connected forsure

[@Luvrdoxie]

Exactly - we FaceTime our grandkids all the time. He’s an idiot.

[@Bellybutton1986]

Oh and Kody is a lost case. With the knowledge of today that Garrison probably killed himself because of the disfunctional relationship with his dad, there is nothing to repair, because Kody said it: Him before them. His health before the health of the kids.

[@Sherry1962]

I have told my adult kids that if we ever have a falling out, I would never stop reaching out to them. My mom always had my phone number, but never used it. All you can do is not repeat the mistakes of your parents.

[@anitakrijgsman5778]

Robyn has shown that she has never cared about Kody´s relationships with his other kids or his other wives... ever!! She didn´t want Gabe and Garrison around because they were unsafe.. She has no interest in getting her own kids to contact their other siblings. But now suddenly she wants Kody to reach out to the kids.. This was all as scripted and fake as the 'fun' family evening where they play Jenga.. Seriously... And besides that I feel this is a conversation you would have inside your house sitting on the sofa and not outside in the freezing cold.. Why can't they ever film inside their house??

[@Simamber30001972]

I swear I can see murderous rage in Kody's eyes. Chilling

[@diamondsandhenna]

I don't see M. I see S. Or god forbid, M/ S. I would take my kids and go if I were Robyn.

[@anitakrijgsman5778]

He's going mad and fast... He really should get some help as in anger management or see a psychiatrist, but of course his ego won't allow that.

[@LoriHaupt]

There was a moment there when I thought he was scary.

[@g.flesch9731]

​@diamondsndhea4784

[@g.flesch9731]

​@@diamondsandhennaAgree Robyn needs to leave Kody. Robyn has been playing Kody all along. Doubt Kody understands that is why he feels Robyn is loyal. Leave, take your 5 kids & get out. Kody is enraged at his family he abandoned. Wait until he decides it is all Robyn's fault. He is barely in control now. The mansion must be like a prison. Kody is the warden & if someone does not play along, you get put in a trailer or worse.

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

Robyn acting. She's been practicing. Oh and being out in the cold can make your eyes water.

[@thompsoncindy42]

Kody seems to be confused about his feelings - he says "heartbroken" when it's really narcisstic injury.

[@heidikz69]

From personal experience, I will say that expecting your children to fight for your love and respect is wrong, especially when you won't do the same for them.

[@stephaniewencek6618]

Now that the kids are older they have their own opinions and should be able to speak 🗣️ their minds. Cody is a coward and Robyn is a manipulator. These kids were neglected and abused and brainwashed.

[@lbarmstrong1]

What's amazing to me as a 63 year old woman, is how FOUR women, who appear to be pretty ok despite their "different" upbringing (in polygamy) -- capable, strong, kind, just normal women that I could have been friends with -- would CHOOSE such a weak, shallow, vain poser of a man and then have so many babies with him. He must've been a pretty smooth operator back in the day, but now he's just a sad old man, really a complete shell of the guy who started this "journey" (I hate that description) in 2010. Some people age well, and I think it's a conscious choice. You talk about how you're going to be as a parent of adults and a grandparent. You decide things like, "Ok, I might not agree how my oldest daughter is feeding/dressing/sending to daycare my grandson, but it's HER life and I will be there anyway to support her in her life." You SURE AS HELL go over to see your son's FIRST EVER HOUSE he bought with his own hard work and ingenuity, you don't simply ignore it so you can stay home and pretend to play Jenga or take an adult step daughter to get her ears pierced. His priorities are SO MESSED UP. And Robyn has been too selfish to guide him at all. The concensus on the two other channels I watch is that this scene in the snow was filmed after G's death in an attempt to fix both their reputations. As if they cared enough to fight about it at all. No one believes Robyn cared at that point.

[@kristinmullins6896]

Robyn HAS put the kids against him though. She’s been telling Kody for years how “mean” the kids are to her and her kids when they were kids themselves. I think that this may have been filmed later to try and put Robyn in a better light. Shes an enabler! She validates his lunacy 🤦🏻‍♀️ The adult kids are pissed at Kody because of what they’ve OBSERVED over the last 12 years. Christine said in the UK version of this show Aspyn lived with Robyn in Vegas and it was Aspyn that told her that Kody was with Robyn every day. So there’s that lol

[@32mybelle]

I had grandparents who lived out of state in the 80's. And my grandmother would send us cards and letters and gifts packed in popcorn. Just because you don't live in the same state doesn't mean that you aren't responsible for nurturing that relationship, Kody!

[@vanessaallan7311]

I think he'd still have Meri around just to save face. He's a terrible example of what a man father and grandfather should be.

[@LilPurplNicks]

Kody wants everyone else to accommodate his feelings when he refuses to do the same for them. What a selfish man!!

[@Fuzzyedgz]

Robin asked the questions we were all wanting to know. 1) Why aren't you reaching out to your kids? 2) When you do talk to them, what is that interaction like? 3) Do you understand how much they are hurting? 4) Can you put aside your own feelings to reach out to them? 5) Can you see how your actions (or lack of them) have contributed to the destruction of these relationships? Unfortunately, Kodys' responses were devastatingly revealing. He can not see anything beyond himself. His lack of empathy and inability to self reflect are stunning. I was left speechless. These poor women and children can never have their needs met by someone so egocentric. This man is incapable of emotional growth or insight. This discussion has been the most revealing to date, especially since he cant even fathom how bad it is.

[@CATAGUILAR]

I think Robin was “ acting “ as the good guy .

[@tarabourgeois5807]

I love your insight, it’s very eye opening. I think that the biggest collateral damage is Savannah, truly, and Madison’s children. I also found the fight infuriating, the fact that he feels that he can only connect with the children is through the mothers is utterly maddening. The rift between Savannah and Aurora at school and them not speaking to each other is just another example of Kody shutting every one out but Robyn and her children, and that Aurora and Brianna know that they are the in the in crowd in Kodys mind their entitlement to Kodys love. Ughh it makes me so mad.

[@sandracarter9952]

I believe that was an add-on scene filmed after Garrison's unlived because they are VERY CAREFUL, not to mention his name. Gabe and Garrison were two of OG3 children who were more vocal. Logan, Hunter, and Padeon don't even speak his name.

[@rjaffe464]

If there wasn’t enough proof that Kody was a narcissist before this episode, there is absolutely no question now! Also Robyn, girl, wipe away those crocodile tears.

[@jo-annewilkinson5663]

You are wrong about Robyn. Their argument was scripted for the show.

[@DTMVwithReba]

Totally agree.

[@CindyfromOz]

I agree

[@katiebrown3564]

I agree that he’s wrong about Robyn, but he’s completely accurate about Kody. Kody shows us who he truly is again and again.

[@jo-annewilkinson5663]

@@katiebrown3564 agree

[@aishukamal]

Agree

[@GypsyCNA]

I want to thank you for this video. I am a recovering addict. Rightfully so, my grown daughters got tired of my shit, and no longer speak to me. I have been clean for 2.5 years now. I don't know what to do in order to make things right with them. But I know I need to do SOMETHING quickly. When you said Kody was allowing contempt to grow by taking his time with this...that hit hard. Right this very moment, I don't know what my next move will be, I just know I have to make one posthaste. Thank you for this video.

[@JaneWoodBranam]

Did you make amends to them yet?

[@BeTheLightOK]

Thank you!!!! So glad to finally hear someone plainly state what this “person” is all about. He’s disgusting. Unreal how one person can cause so much genuine heartbreak in the lives of others!!!

[@just_a_smalltowngirl585]

It was staged. For years she’s seemingly been fine with her kids getting all of the time and attention. When Meri asked if she should invited the whole family to Christmas (or whatever holiday it was), Robyn wasted no time in saying how dangerous it was, ensuring they didn’t attend. This is damage control; nothing more.

[@betsybabf748]

Kody could simply have a consistent connection with his grandchildren over the phone and through Facetime when he couldn't visit like family all over the world does every day.

[@maggiekent7753]

Completely agree with you. He's also heartbroken about losing the money Meri, Janelle and Christine provided him x

[@kendramuah]

Robyn really had me fooled until she mentioned the Covid rules. Clearly, this was her redemption arc AKA throwing Kody under the bus right to his face.

[@viksando5713]

I call bs on sobbyn. He abandoned his kids for sobbyn and her kids and she encouraged it. You reap what you sow.

[@BugabooNH]

I agree with your take on Kody, especially with the “triggering” BS. However, I found Robyn performative. It is disingenuous in that she herself has pushed the other children away (ie Covid, Thanksgiving, Christmas) bc she didn’t feel they were “safe” for her children, and now appears to try to manipulate the audience to believe it is all on Kody. Kody may be the stronger personality, but both are culpable in alienating Janelle’s, Christine’s, and Meri’s children.

[@shannonkosko2243]

you're 100% right! I am one of 8 adult siblings and my dad had 26 grandkids. He was at every event, every pictures for dances... I didn't even need to tell him when things were happening. He found out where to be and my kids thought he walked on water. Any problem in their life... they need to call their grandad. He was really special. He appreciated each and every one of them. I think they each thought they were his favorite. He passed in 2018 and he is so freaking missed. I cannot believe Cody doesn't see the beauty he's missing out on

[@AlohaLowah]

Nailed it. Completely. Watching this was so hard. I think alot of people, in their distaste for Robyn, rightfully so, will also miss out on what I saw... Someone who's with a narcissist, trying to get their point across, phrasing it just so, just perfect enough, to not get them riled up, pissed off, and put you you down, so you have to semi agree with them, while also trying so so carefully to get them to see where they're wrong. She has a ton of faults. And culpability in the destruction of their family. But she's also married to a narcissist... And that is not an easy thing.

[@emilyndu338]

As much as you are right, I think Robyn has always agreed and manipulated him when it comes to the og kids and wives. Now the results of them abandoning Kody, she never imagined it could happen. She is the intelligent one of the 2 and understands the consequences financially and socially. So she is trying to damage control and at the same time leave a trail that it was Kody doing, look I always encouraged him to do better. Poor Kody only sees the "sweet emotion".

[@2enjoy1]

💯🎯​@@emilyndu338

[@chantallennox1201]

I agree. Robyn is just the latest in a long line of wives for Kody, and we all know how one sided his relationships are. If he were a young man still he would absolutely be getting more wives to fluff his ego up but he’s too old and jaded now to go a courting. Old Kody will cling to Robyn so she can take care of him and provide the thin veneer of an intact family unit and his so called true love for him to hide behind as a reason for all the damage his did. He won’t discard Robyn as long as she doesn’t challenge him to be a mature adult too much.

[@mariel.8809]

@@emilyndu338Not poor Kody, these two truly deserve each other. She knows how to play him to get her way. This shows how good she is and how dumb Kody is. I think the OG3 are unbelievably gracious considering the stunts these two have played, robbing them not only of their money, but on every way imaginable.

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

I think Robyn has a personality disorder and manipulates to get what she wants. $$$ Kody gets his narcissistic supply from her... She says what he wants to hear. She's good at it because she grew up that way and her mama taught her.

[@ifeyinwaokolo1246]

David you need to watch the entire series.

[@reneepope-munro8115]

Conversation is heartbreaking and maddening knowing what happened afterwards. All that wasted time… all those sacrificed memories. And the saddest part is I genuinely don’t know if that will be enough to shift the behaviour.

[@SonshineAuctions]

I live on the East Coast and my youngest son and family live on the West Coast. In the first 2 years of my twin granddaughters' lives, I visited every 3 months. It's now every 5 months that I'm able to go because airline tickets are about twice what they used to be and the route has an extra layover. I'm not a young person and it's very hard for me but I do it anyway. I still feel so guilty I don't go as often. We do Facetime weekly and sometimes twice a week. I have 5 granddaughters! I agree with others when they say that Robyn did the same to her kids and their father.

[@kellypierce6839]

You always seem to give Sobyn (especially) and Kooty more credit than they deserve.

[@asdfghjklpoi1529]

The argument might have scripted but both of them are too dumb to say things that aren’t true. I really believe Kody feels that way about his kids and I truly think Robyn really does tell herself that the only reason the kids are mad is because of what the other mothers say.

[@michelesturtevant4187]

I’m not believing that Robyn cares she’s just trying to save face.

[@barbn1211]

You must remember that the previous Christmas Robyn said inviting the boys to her house would make her feel unsafe. I think you're off track in your assessment of Robyn's motives in this video.

[@TessMac]

I unequivocally agree. Kody can’t get past himself. Regardless of if this argument was real or staged. What he was saying is how he’s SHOWN that he feels. As we all know he’s already lost the opportunity to make it better with sweet Garrison.(💔) Which may have made it that much harder to repair his other relationships with his kids. So sad. Also so infuriating.

[@katiebrown3564]

Exactly!!!

[@reesejones853]

Kody is acting according to the way Robyn wanted. Now that the heat is on her she wants him to reconnect with his kids. And he's looking at her like HOW DARE U! this is what u wanted woman. Now ur telling me to reconnect?

[@faithhahn-cline4365]

Spot on! He just can't handle criticism of any kind...but he can sure dish it out. What a coward.

[@mell682]

He’s so scared of his adult children and having to answer to them, he’s petrified.

[@angelabarton5146]

6:31 Kody expects EVERYONE to come to where he is. His ex wives were supposed to bring him the kids. His adult children were supposed to bring him the grandkids. His family was supposed to follow him where he wants to be. They didn’t make him the most important thing in their lives so now he doesn’t want relationships. They were supposed to worship him and they don’t, so he doesn’t like them anymore.

[@Mscricket222]

When I saw this conversation I was so excited to hear your take on it. You did not disappoint!

[@WorldOfEnchantment44]

This isn’t Robyn’s redemption. Remember we are way far behind to what the reality is today and today we know Mykelti and Tony no longer have a relationship with Robyn or Kody over something that happened at Garrisons funeral. So this Robyn is fake Robyn because we know it goes downhill from here.

[@heatherblack7593]

I agree, this was such an eye-opening episode. I noticed Robyn’s mature and appropriate response when Kody tried to say he couldn’t reunite with the kids because they will attack Robyn and he has to “protect” her. She said no, you tell them to come to me to talk about it, which was the right response, but he just bulldozed over that and kept saying he “had to” protect her. I think he’s been saying that for years to her to confuse her and distract from the real issues, because how can Robyn complain about him wanting to protect her, right? Robyn’s more than willing to talk to those kids and I do believe she’s genuine about that. She hasn’t been an exemplar sister wife, but I think it was more from innocent shortcomings rather than a diabolical plot to separate the family. Whereas Kody seems to pull any argument out of his a$$ that he thinks will work in the moment to explain why he can’t possibly talk to his kids. She seems exhausted and beyond frustrated with him, and he uses her loyalty and respect for him as a dagger to keep her from expressing her true thoughts on it, because if she doesn’t like what he’s doing, then she’s just as bad as his exes, right?

[@sdtrekkiegirl]

Kody has always been like this. It’s not new. It’s just more explicitly verbal. I get the impression that Robin is one of those folks who is obsessed with babies but is not as involved in the day to day care as they age. Based on the fact that she has always had an older kid living with her as a mother’s helper or a nanny. I really wish Kody would be off the show. We need to go no contact as an audience. Maddie has it right.

[@ellaleblanch9703]

😂😂 I love when David looks visibly triggered when people use triggered incorrectly Not so patiently waiting on Allison’s take!!

[@terrylkumpf3894]

I 💯 agree with the breakdown of Kody’s & his EGO. He is going through a narcissist breakdown

[@FlowerChild65]

As someone with a narcissistic parent who is a lot like Kody and often says similar things, your call outs are always super helpful.

[@rachg82]

Honestly, same. My dad is extremely narcissistic and has a very shallow, limited capacity to empathize with others. His ego is massive and fragile. There are a lot of parallels between him & Kody, including the fracturing of parent/child relationships (he & my sister haven't spoken since she was 15, which was 30 years ago. I kept in contact and tried to have a relationship with him, but we haven't spoken in two years now either--no official break; he just doesn't call and I finally stopped trying--and I haven't physically seen him in 20 years since he moved away). The things he says about the kids, and HOW he says them, so closely mirror my own father. It is so weirdly validating and helpful to be able to observe the parallels with the emotional distance you get not having it be you and your family. It makes it easier to recognize the bullshit and feel less triggered by it (truly triggered here, not whatever the hell Kody thinks it means), and it's SO healing to hear a psychologist call it out directly. It's not that my own therapists haven't ever tried, but it was still less impactful - maybe because they weren't fathers themselves? Maybe because it always feels like "you have to say that." Maybe because it just ricochets off my hard exterior and never gets absorbed? I don't know. But it hits differently here!

[@FlowerChild65]

@@rachg82 For me it’s my mother. I haven’t spoken to her in a few years. For me it’s that a lot therapists I have tried, try to find reasons or justifications for her abuse. I understand they can’t diagnose her, but providing excuses for her isn’t helpful. I do that too much as it is. My most recent therapist said my family was toxic, as much as he hates that word and knows it’s not professional, hearing someone unequivocally say it was wrong was so helpful b

[@lexa_power]

This episode did a good job humanizing Robyn and showing her motherly side with Mykelti and the babies. I think this scene with Robyn and Kody ended up coming off as very staged, though I don’t doubt Robyn feels this way. But the fact that they filmed it outside makes it seem fake. But overall I thought the rest of the episode was very strong for Robyn and Christine. Kody just seems so lost in cluster B land and just can’t see anyone else’s fault aside from his own.

[@sharonfoster943]

My takeaway was that Robyn and Kody had a big blowout inside the house, but the cameras weren't there to film it. Thus, the producers had them "continue the conversation" outside. I didn't think the convo was fake, and I felt that the emotions were genuine. It was interesting to find out about Robyn's experience with a disengaged father and how it effected her into adulthood. I agree with Dr. David. Kody has a narcissistic injury. Kody checks all of the boxes. His attitude about his triggering, disloyal kids makes Garrison's passing this year even more hearbreaking. Hopefully that tragic event has made him re-evaluate his behavior toward his kids.

[@lexa_power]

@@sharonfoster943 Yes…. i do think they were sort of re-enacting the stuff that was actually going on.