This or That | Win or Fail

[@iSa_Ach]

I'm still waiting for "Hide n' Seek with Kobe n' Phreak".

[@Martin-ho1fp]

"Which one is preferred with Kobe and Rivington Bruce Bisland the Third"

[@Dekenthen]

"When are we getting Clash with Kobe and Dash"

[@grimoirenoir9638]

azeal mic btw

[@duchi882]

*"Win or Fail?"* *Miguel & Tulio:* Both, both is good

[@lordgvh5902]

I guess I never fail, huh?

[@EpicDBagger]

1:36 Cloud 9 is High. Also Hai is the Highest Hai.

[@KamuiSeph]

Tanktop Tiger Tanktop Black Hole Tanktop Master Tanktop Karma Dayum

[@blackxel6414]

Lmao

[@racingfan3212]

Always nice with "a little bit of backdoor" :P

[@tiger5869]

Azael exists to tilt everyone else in the game

[@DarthMoscoso]

Dont get me wrong cpt is fine, but Azael is really better at filling the shoes to of JaTT. I mean he is much more about statistics. We had the guy about feelings already- kobbe .

[@DarthMoscoso]

Really liked this episode above the most recent ones

[@shiryobukai4634]

agree. prefer azael to cap personally

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

Historically I've recovered from more FF@15's than "I'm done." Come to think of it the vast majority of the "I'm done" comments have always been my jungle, lol.

[@MetroplexBias]

Karson Kammerzell Yeah, it’s easy to see macro in the jungle and if the team is actually “that” dumb or unaware or unskilled it just takes a toll on your mental

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

@@MetroplexBias I can see that, but most of the time it's been my jungle screaming that his invade went tits up when his lanes have no priority and couldn't rotate, lol.

[@JustShotsForMeh]

Coming from a jungle main; I know "I'm done" when I feel less relevant than the feeder on the team, you lose jungle pressure, you can't ever contest objectives, your buffs are being jacked, your warding score is 25 when the 0/5/1 Caitlyn has an astounding warding score of 4, no matter how many kills you get or what you try to accomplish, somebody already created a monster that you can't stop

[@thefirstk6331]

Iam done is literally the same then FF15 in both ways the Player has no intention to continue playing and just wants out of the Game. Iam done just feels worse because it dont happens so often. FF15 happens all 5 Games while iam done happens maybe all 50 Games so its normal that it dont feels so bad and you recover from more FF15s.

[@XxRDZ15xX]

I have to disagree with the top tank karma she can’t burst you down if you’re playing a tank as well. Kench on the other hand is just broken. He’s super tanky, hard to kill, and deals out way too much damage even when going full tank.

[@jsong768]

Passive damage needs a nerf for sure

[@eLmasten1991]

Kobe's mic = win Azael's mic = fail

[@falinestixiaolong9691]

Welcome to Mic is Fail, watch out Azael.

[@sirjhin1721]

Nubrac🤣🤣 teemo mid support

[@bryanjess4552]

"Roaming teemo support"

[@devonsmith6267]

Teemo vs Singed... i wonder who riot is referring to???

[@vistington3145]

I think the two infamous support players that got banned for off meta picks

[@cameronstone4357]

gotta be honest, I liked this much more with Azael than with Cap. Cap just talks too much without saying much

[@HlebHD]

I want This or that with Azael and the Cap to happen sometime.

[@GordonLee97]

Azael: I'm just here so I don't get fined.

[@happalula]

2:34 - close call, kobe but afterwards you kept confusing it once again >.

[@stevewatson8175]

Kobe been doing the show since the beginning and still gets confused lol

[@happalula]

@@stevewatson8175 yeah, and its every time xD

[@mtaur4113]

Didn't they used to build Rapidfire on AP TF just for the passive?

[@justnobody9260]

its for the additional range. "longer gold card range"

[@DotPrime]

Kobe : "we'll see who wins the real tournament" I think that's pretty clear :>

[@97mesut]

why do people say it was awkward? Azael is the perfect replacement for Jatt imo. He is so natural here

[@mozambique1697]

Last time I was this early Phreak was a yee haw

[@MetroplexBias]

Mozambique howdy

[@TheMajesticgamers]

i LOVE flowers but man azeal is the better fit for this or that imo

[@ReinLie]

This was so weirdly awkward (I mean, it's Azael) but I still prefer the vibe between these two than Kobe/Cap for some reason. Maybe their synergy from the Dive or something, but has a nicer comfortable feel to it.

[@cannae920]

Won Lee Really? I definitely thought it was awkward, but didn’t think I wanted more of it tbh. Maybe just cause I don’t watch The Dive too often, I guess

[@ggGetJinxed]

I hate having to admit absolutely loving all the puns the comment section has come up with so far. Freaking heck lol

[@TaiNguyen-fu1jd]

Crown all day. the dude is 1v9 every game. his playstyle is more engaging and entertaining too.

[@zurashubitidze4765]

yeah well NA casters are kinda biased when it comes to aphromoo, bjerg and doublift. so they are always subjective. bjern like plays zilean in many of the important games and crown takes burden all on himself. also, he just plays bettter

[@ililililili9726]

but every game is only 6 games

[@anivia3]

That's funny, if you switch their spots bjerg would be 1v9ing on optic too (cause he'd have to), especially against optic's strength of schedule that crown got those wins against lmao Also, someone's playstyle being "more entertaining to watch" isn't exactly a good argument for them being the better player

[@zdenka7600]

@@zurashubitidze4765 what burden did crown took at worlds 2017 played malzahar mid , and still fot shitted by bjergs syndra like 2 times ina single game ??

[@lucasalarcon3230]

@@anivia3 mid lane always 1 vs 9 for opt

[@isty9892]

Best show ever!!!

[@neelchoudhary8432]

Azael: Ruin has been playing great you know bringing him in was GREAT Darshan: ;(

[@bolobre4th]

No TFT slides?

[@TheClusterFaQ94]

Mords ult can be used in so many different ways tho. Kennen ult and flashed on ur team? Nope. Zeds ults ur adc? Nope. U can blue ball players so much

[@thegamehbktaker]

I belive the term you want is blue shell but I agree also enemy jungler try to streal baron/dragon? Nope, ADC trying to pop off in a team fight? Nope enemy tries to dive you post 6? Nope

[@Penguyen.]

Blue balls is right.

[@Gamber63]

N' we could see all that In LCS n' LEC, soon

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

My last game with Morde my mid laner was this ridiculous Poppy one-trick I was duoing with and she was hard stomping a Zed when my top Fiora started roaming down. Did my due diligence of warning pings and started following. Zed was running back in as Fi caught Poppy with 15% of her max HP left as the Popples was running to tower. Zed burns everything to close into ult range and right as he dropped down on Poppy I Flashed and ult'd him. He was so confused he didn't take the shadow back as quickly as I thought he would and missed my Q, lol. Just kinda slapped him silly in ult and Poppy murdered a full health Fiora with 10% max HP left because...Poppy things(?)...and I killed Zed in my ult, lol. Also, Teemo gets murdered by good Morde play. You engage in him, he drops a 'shroom, starts to kite, and you ult him and the mushroom isn't in the Realm, lol. Good times. :D

[@Jeddy027]

Let's not forget my favorite example: Soraka just trying to do her job & play League of Legends? LOL Nope!

[@warmonkss]

not being able to drag the surrender box offscreen and the flashing it shows as it times out (even if you already voted) are both super tilting

[@thefirstk6331]

Did they change that i remember to drag this surrender vote often out of screen?

[@yuriinate]

That's been fixed now, but I agree, the damn flashing tilted the hell out of me

[@TheCeratius]

It's fixed already

[@MasterOfBepis]

get well soon clayton, we miss you also points to azael for the ipav shoutout

[@jthrone7768]

MasterOfBepis what happened to Cpt. Flowers?

[@MasterOfBepis]

@@jthrone7768 sick, he missed out on that giant offlinetv/yassuo party because of it.

[@tiger5869]

What happened to Cap?

[@01_NP]

4:44 temno player baby eazy diamond

[@Samarkand300]

tenmo*

[@huhulili9021]

Ato Q E

[@wolhaiiik5387]

Honestly I throw an ff vote to kinda feel the team state, if I see 4 no's.... welp it's time to get serious

[@c001pers0n]

Can we get Jatt back? No offense to the boys I just miss him. :')

[@robobo9071]

I'm done is the worst feeling ever.

[@joshsoxy12]

Umm CLG doesn't play Liquid or TSM XD

[@teemupalviainen]

C9 isn't playing Clutch either 😁

[@yungtrvsh6925]

wheres cap? :(

[@analysttherapist2929]

I love being unable to move surrender vote now

[@SassanCool]

Can’t really check out Nubrac now can we Riot?

[@chawmila]

Who cares. Im glad such a troll got banned. Sad to see NB3 not getting banned as well

[@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil]

@@chawmila Why should he get banned? He only asked a Rioter to look into it..

[@ryanc8442]

@@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil Because he afk'd and harassed the guy That is two different guidelines broken right there.

[@pureraww]

You didnt say why Bjerg is better than Crown atm. He might as well be , but the argument that historically Bjerg was always king in NA doesnt justify anything. Crown at times could be argued to be contending for the best in the world and was leaps and bounds ahead of Bjergsen, also he has a world championship under his belt, so historically Crown is better. I would be more interested in breaking down who is better in this split , with Bjergsen being good as always and Crown performing like a beast again.

[@ricebowl3788]

This or That: Flowers or Azael

[@zacthomson7847]

Kobbe goes for a little bit of back door.... if you know what I mean :3

[@SuicidalLemonade]

so much better. almost as good as with the lord jatt himself.

[@jibbjabb43]

It's Fly v CLG vs. 100T v C9. Should basically be a H2H check for that slide.

[@shakkarugat]

Nubrac or the other supp who played singed support with smite..... I see you Riot, I see you

[@matiasorce5738]

lmao 1st thing that came to my mind also

[@Timanom]

AdelaideSkyhart or something like that

[@zXBananaGamingXz]

3:10 100% tahm kench for me. im surprised they responded to the question that way

[@4nubisjdb562]

Banana Gaming Lol u can’t fight karma top unless u have an extremely mobile champ and even then you can’t fight her the heals, shields, and damage are too much

[@searex3094]

@@4nubisjdb562 U can't fight tahm with anything

[@thefirstk6331]

@@searex3094 You can fight Tahm with any ranged Champion Gnar, Kennen, Vladimir, even Karma itself + he is super useless lategame. Karma instead is super effective late in Teamfights with that Movementspeed Buff + these Shields and slows and in lane shes unkillable aswell just runs around and procs permanently Klepto on you. When you play like Braindead Hashinshin Style and run straight into Tahm and gets eaten all the time instead of just outscaling him then its your fault yeah hes an hardcounter for melee but still even if its boring just dont fight and outscale easy peasy i would always prefer and Tahm over Karma.

[@emilglahn9853]

Give an in game option to hide surrender votes completely from your screen.

[@Akaro]

I think worst to see from my team is "I'm done" IN EU it means they die 1 more time and afk and just give up and leave in a ranked match which just tilts everyone and makes me want to leave the game altogether

[@WorldinJeopardy]

Same. I'm done means this literally became a 4v5 while a surrender vote means they are still willing to at least play for better or for worse.

[@Raouli00]

AkaroGaming yea ff15 is like standard in EU it happens every game

[@jamescalder5115]

Kikis played AD/AS Twisted Fate years ago and now it's finally meta.....

[@JustShotsForMeh]

I played Trundle top back in season 3, and now it's finally out of meta.

[@thefirstk6331]

He played it 1 Game in the Jungle? Now its played Mid/Bot with an completly different build.

[@iverf.4214]

Nothing from LEC? :(

[@DragonMoth34]

Get akaadian on here so it can be this or that with kobe and matt

[@YomasNorway]

03:19 Lmao they are using an unofficial splashart for Karma where she is super THICC instead of her original. Interesting.

[@drew20125]

5:25 just don’t go support Teemo and stay mid lane

[@huhulili9021]

My Boi Ipav got a shoutout

[@lukito6460]

tenmo player confirmed

[@fightingdreamer123]

4:56 pianta be like

[@GOTHICforLIFE1]

While i think Crown and Bjergsen is a good debate atm, using crown as a champion as argument is not really a good one. He played Malzahar all the time to maintain relevance while SSG won elsewhere. He's pretty decent in an NA standard, but i don't really see his success as something he proved himself with

[@grisha5929]

GOTHICforLIFE1 100% Agee with you he got completely carried through the world championship by “Ruler” and “Ambition”. He played farm under turret champions 90% of the games and when he didn’t he under performed. Yes he’s changed but his performance in Korea the following year and in the world championships showed how exploitable he was, dominated by juzike Jensen etc.

[@lucasalarcon3230]

@@grisha5929 crown survive and win versus the stronger version of faker

[@grisha5929]

​@@lucasalarcon3230 Doesn't disprove my point, when crown wasnt on malz taliyah or galio he was a huge liability where his teams 3 losses came from. The games were barely enjoyable to watch, press (q, e farm) and then ult someone do baron game over. Which is also why it had less overall viewers than the semifinal.

[@user-yv7tz6sr8z]

Champions League >>>> League World's >>>> MSI >>>> LEAGUE Crown win me bad english sorry 😅😂😫😢

[@jereramirez7433]

5:57 - 6:05 hello?

[@Thex57]

As a teemo main I take offense

[@tiltmonger9448]

I just realized its This and that with Kobe and Jatt,im so dumb.

[@valkyrieqp]

lmao roasting nubrac

[@chasemeyer5994]

Hello fathers

[@brunoribeiro9539]

This Or this

[@Bwooke]

"super op right now" If 48% wr high elo and a falling 52% wr low elo is op... (Could be an old recording, but he got hot patched only after 24 hours... Thank you low elo players.) But yes, continue to ban morde instead of tahm kench :-)

[@MetroplexBias]

Ryan Cromer no champ gets a hotfix nerf unless it’s a problem across the board lol

[@Bwooke]

@@MetroplexBias you missed the point. Wr is falling after the hotfix. Not saying the Nerf wasn't right, but 95% of the player base is oblivious to the change. Most low elo players are still banning him thinking he's op because they don't know he got nerfed, yet his current stats say he's not, and his wr is still falling as people start to figure out what he does. Really makes you think, doesn't it? Re read what I said.

[@ironspartan117]

TRM is a teemo main.........

[@hiasix9807]

Just buy Qss for mordekaisers ult

[@parttimeloverandafulltimef1096]

Donde esta Maria Dolores?

[@HeimiLOL]

wow nice +1 :)

[@drunkenmage6505]

back in the day tf was ad tho... F

[@rrkyu4458]

iPav

[@Domingazz]

give me "this or that: LEC edition" with quickshot and medic

[@HowToWard123]

More like Medi and Vedi :

[@Domingazz]

that would be good either, the legendary Medi Vedi duo

[@xavieridentity8804]

Uhm they give me too much credit to crown in a way also.. too be fair he played malzahar in worlds where he won.. ruler and ambition were the real mvp of their run in worlds

[@nole8771]

you can't win a 4v5 at worlds. he still did something.

[@kuubilal]

Bring back Jatt, thanks

[@JustShotsForMeh]

When somebody says they're done, they're done, stop holding them hostage.

[@thefirstk6331]

Dont play the Game then maybe? Its a Teamgame and everyone should give his best to win not feed early fall behind and say then i am done just because you cant 1 shot everyone.

[@napiernygma8075]

01:30 rookie mistake never underestimate the anime team

[@michaellogothetis2613]

No chemistry sorry

[@doje8341]

/mute all

[@mcee972]

Lmao... did he really say bjergsen over crown

[@keithcharland5170]

Lol i literally typed i'm done in my game earlier xD

[@kaleb199518]

crown - world champion, easily better.

[@4547466]

Been in pbe queue for 3 hours now

[@alexdewald1982]

I think id still take bjergsen over crown with a world champion or not

[@yahomboi3014]

This weeks show was .....meh

[@Zarrakon]

Tank top karma isn't even good. Tahm kench by a mile.

[@denizildeniz2416]

One

[@snuten0]

no tf build is trinity, wits end/rfc

[@mattbrunguyen]

You don't build wit's end against AD my dude

[@support_eu6397]

you need wits only if yo uare going to stay 1 vs 1 against ap champion, if for example enemy team has full ad set up you will go rapid as second item

[@PBass72]

They think Karma is more annoying than Tahm Kench Top? Kobe and Azael haven't played enough solo queue XD

[@thefirstk6331]

You can literaly pick anything into Karma and she will just run around you and proc Klepto after Klepto while beeing super usefull in Teamfights. Tahm instead has alot of good Counterpicks and will be useless lategame whats exacltly your point thought?

[@panqi9366]

Teemo support mid or bot

[@hannahnauu9049]

X.

[@simonnilsson8375]

Azeal.. “morda ult is broken thats why hes the better rewiork” His ult is qss able and easily countered and he’s an immobile fighter... Some research you done.. probobly one of the reasons why Azir got nerfed was cause of his whining.

[@sneppy338]

i was never a fan of capt flower's screaming and energetic personality. I much prefer Azael for shows like this. No hate on capt flower, I know people like him, but I think having Azael around for this or that is good

[@bobog.3686]

Azael seems more natural

[@MetroplexBias]

Captain Flowers is the fuckin man

[@Fullmetal6]

?? Kobe is hyphy AF oftentimes

[@jimmybjimmy_TV]

Is this cuz cpt flowers was making kobe look bad? Oof

[@ru2225]

He's ill iirc

[@nguyentuankiet9463]

Biết chọn gì đây :))

[@faizan7298]

Karma is cancer now like it’s not fun to play against her and u can’t even gank her man remove her form the game I would rather play against a teemo

[@DeathTT87]

Did you really choose bjergsen over crown ?? You really need to stop s*cking bjergsen balls na people, he is a ok mid,; thats all, nothing more.

[@Vautour1776]

FOURTH

[@malphite8797]

You got Jhinfected. Shame.

[@rudiome001]

Azael > Cap