This Patch Saves Helldivers 2 (In Depth Explanations from a NERD)

This is the biggest new update to Helldivers 2. Pilestedt cooked this patch with massive assault rifle buffs, liberator, tenderizer, machine guns, strafing run, orbital gatling barrage, spear, and so much more. #helldivers2
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[@thiccfila]

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[@ExtraTrstl]

This actually makes me excited. Thanks, Devs.

[@vicstanfieldshire7754]

BREW SWILLIS of SES Elected Representative of Destruction here…. I hate reading, and refuse to do it, I’m glad Democracy loving Divers such as yourself are getting us the skinny. I must say, I am LOVING the weapon handling buff for HMG reload, and the new SEAF SAM!! Also these flying patrols are a good touch!

[@jaywerner8415]

you get TWO Super Uranium on Difficulty 6 now.

[@philsc6028]

Exosuits still need durability buff and a EMERGENCY EJECT/ DESTRUCTION WARNING like Helldivers 1, please spread this idea guys!

[@paintballercali]

Im just glad i wasn't crazy for thinking the fire tornado was chasing me.

[@steviepii]

Yeah dude they were swarming objectives fo sho

[@dr.calibrations7984]

I remember when I was trying to turn on a generator and the damn tornadoes camped it for like, 3 minutes. We didn't have any other objectives left to do aside from that and the main one, which we needed to generator to do either, so we just had to sit there and get swarmed

[@lixiaochen6]

Here’s how I imagine it was coded. Select a random position from valid playable areas, and then move to the new random location. However, playable areas are drawn as a circle around the players. So by statistics, it’s vastly more likely to move towards the player as a result.

[@Amares69]

@@lixiaochen6 I might have peeked into the files a couple times. They follow the same mechanics as patrol spawns, but once they're near players, they either draw a curve or a straight line and move in that direction until they're away from the player, if the firenados alert is still active, it will then attempt a second pass.

[@jiopa]

Theyre a hidden 3rd faction

[@danielespitia1776]

The eruptor is a sniper. If you’re using it close enough for you to get hit, you’re using it wrong and the devs should take thay mindset. If you’re dying from shrapnel, it’s a player error.

[@georgi1905]

Yep... eruptor is still rly bad.. just a sniper, before was more fun and had a punch now is just a sniper with handicap... no aoe

[@goten010]

That's what I was saying for quite some time ive not had a issue with the shrapnel because i used the sniper as a sniper and rarely used it cqc only in panic situations and i suffered because of it but I got told off by the toxic don't tell me how to play my game players when I mentioned that because how dare you say I shouldn't use a weapon a way it wasn't intended

[@toaster_rtx1829]

the eruptor is now an extremely strong sniper, but thats not what the eruptor is, but ig arrowhead doesnt understand what a pack with "detonation" in the title means

[@omegacrash4933]

I thought the problem was the ricochet of the shrapnel not working as intended and one-shotting the player and anyone around them. Sounds like a good reason to temporarily disable shrapnel to me.

[@danielespitia1776]

@@georgi1905 They need to stop holding our hands. Collateral is part of experience. I’d rather die every now and then to shrapnel than use a useless weapon.

[@quoth7330]

Tornados absolutely followed. The first time I ever played on a planet with one solo, at the extraction there were 6 tornados on me.

[@bennygummisko]

yea they are annoying and broken, as well as the damage they deal

[@IRMentat]

They also were attracted to objective items like terminals and pickups so you would see 3-4 tornadoes prowling around the objectives like sharks/graboids.

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Yeah super annoying. If they showed up at an objective, I would just leave and come back later.

[@ironboy3245]

They don't follow, they track towards where you are when they spawn iirc

[@quoth7330]

@@ironboy3245 That is basically the same thing no? They track to where ever you are, whenever you move, thats just a different word for following.

[@Mkable01]

Yeah fire tornadoes were the dickiest thing in helldivers

[@Scarletraven87]

I vote for the invisible randomness beeing the worst game aspect Things like a charger hitting you twice or trice during the same charge Things like a single automaton bullet come out the fog, staggering you and making you miss a Quasar shot. Things like the jump pack malfunctioning for a multitude of possible reasons, and leaving you in a death cage Things like a supply beacon not lighting up where you cast it, so it pick another spot at random and it hits one of your sentries Things like ragdolling downhill for 20 seconds Things like ending up stuck in terrain

[@Saddedude]

Hellmire is the best looking planet imo.

[@gabusdeux]

​@@Scarletraven87 charger hitting you multiple times makes sense depending on where you're ragdolled. Automatons blind fire in your direction of they can't see you. Supply beacon and other strategies bounce off of rocks and stuff. It's not random

[@superspecky4eyes]

I'm glad it wasn't me going crazy thinking the Fire Tornados were deliberately stalking me.

[@ravneiv]

Yeah I stopped even dropping on firenado planets

[@parisyia]

The SEAF change is only logical and i never understood why it wasnt like that to begin with. It is an artilery emplacement ON the planet which you manually loaded with shells , super destroyer or not, in low orbit, it should not affect that bad boy at all ! Glad to see they actually made it so its more realistically used now!

[@Ryliath]

The logic was(theorically) that you synced up the artillery control with your S.D. acting as a control relay. A good idea in theory, but definitely not fun in practice.

[@kaio0777]

its a huge for ion storm planets now.

[@silveredbullet802]

And can work against stratagem jammer too. Deal with the thing faster rather than invading the space.

[@Driftingsiax]

Stratagem jammers on planets with artillery are now basically free objectives. Oh you jammed me? Catch this H.E. round. Will be interested to see which shells can destroy it.

[@MelleLaCruze]

@@Driftingsiax mini nuke and hi-yield should do it afaik, mini nuke is coded the same as hellbomb and hi-yield is the 500KG

[@professionalnoob5474]

The orbital gatling i think now may be one of the best stratagems, it was very good before against hordes of small enemies and now it can even destroy bigger targets

[@lukemehalick370]

60 rounds!!! Wondering how the ship module works with it. Gave it what? I think 8 rounds, but pretty sure it's a % kick, so hopefully we get +30 or something.

[@jackplisken4738]

Airburst man , just use the Airburst

[@Jumbuck1151]

It wasn't very good lol

[@roar104]

@@Jumbuck1151 yeah, gatling was trash before, maybe hopefully useable now

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

​@@lukemehalick370if it went from 30 rounds to 60, and the upgrade gave it +8, then the upgrade should now give it +16. I always thought it was usable but not necessarily amazing. I can't wait to see if it's amazing now. Sure, airburst is good but it serves a slightly different purpose.

[@hariman7727]

Not gonna lie... This update looks REALLY good for playability and fun factor AND for community strategy. Edit: I think this is an excellent first major step for winning back the crowd and keeping helldivers to going for a while.

[@Michelle-kc8ht]

Why did "the crowd" need to be won back? The entitlement on you people. Go play other games, go touch grass, go talk to people, go clean your room so your momwife doesn't yell at you

[@hariman7727]

@@Michelle-kc8ht why do you assume it's an entitlement thing? I say "win back the crowd" because there are a lot of complaints about balance and wanting certain weapons to be stronger, which are often not unreasonable complaints. The complaints of many that the assault rifle weapons did not feel good to play, among others. There is also the issue that many players are sour because of the Sony incident. Players also have legitimate complaints about fire tornadoes chasing them around and certain planetary modifiers being un-fun. Therefore there is a part of the fan base that Arrowhead would want to win back, because that would bring more players in and make at least some of the player base that was angry more happy. And a happy player base says good things about the game, which attracts more players. TL:DR: You are the person who needs to grow up and touch grass. Ask me what I mean instead of forming an opinion about me and trying to beat me up for you having that opinion about me.

[@bradc4277]

⁠@@Michelle-kc8hthonestly, the people who needed winning back are such crybabies it’s insane

[@Michelle-kc8ht]

@@hariman7727 I guarantee you have 1000% more "reasonable" complaints about things than you do anything else. Do you do anything in your life other than follow your little same group zeitgeist?

[@hariman7727]

@@Michelle-kc8ht is this all you do? Assume that you know about people and then try to put them in your little box? How old are you anyway? I'm not answering your question because you've already decided I'm some horrible thing you get to beat on so you can feel like you've won an argument. All you're proving to me is that you are a jerk.

[@Sen.StevenArmstrong]

Machine gun mains eating good tonight, lads.

[@Driftingsiax]

My all bullets loadout is gonna be fun. Mg, guard dog, machine gun turret, orbital gatling. It was fun before, even better now.

[@Sen.StevenArmstrong]

@@Driftingsiax I actually loved the machine gun pre patch too. These buffs to it are phenomenal though. Reminds me of when they buffed the dominator.

[@fazegabi7564]

Definitely need some more buffs to some weapons, mainly the liberator penetrator, but this is definitely s step in the right direction. Definitely excited to hop back in and try out these changes though

[@samturner6061]

That SEAF change is awesome. I wish all their random, unasked for changes were like that. I wonder what it breaks, though?

[@fenfrostpaws2000]

For me we were only able to load four rounds and it wouldnt allow a 5th so couldn't even activate it

[@exci6198]

@@fenfrostpaws2000 there was an existing bug where you loaded 5 but it was stuck at 4/5, if that's what you mean.

[@gimmethegepgun]

I wish they'd also give an indicator in the Stratagem menu about what the next SEAF shot is.

[@ryanvacation7319]

This makes Jammer that have factories attached to it as much easier to take down

[@paintballercali]

I'm just glad to find out I wasn't crazy for thinking it was after me.

[@berserkerpride]

Regular MG got a huge buff to durable damage. From a pathetic 7.5 % to 25%

[@connman8d617]

It's going to eat spewers alive. Grenade Launcher still going to be better, but the margin is shrinking.

[@FazeParticles]

@@connman8d617GL eats through ammo tho. MG43 has lots of ammo now. And burst/tap fire is your friend.

[@isaacfrost9250]

Massive W, l was skeptical but it seems they really listened to the community.

[@Themightyfrogg]

Do you really think this will bring anybody back? Guess only time with the numbers will tell

[@Naigusful]

@@Themightyfrogg Bring back idk, maybe few but stop the game from bleeding out ? It's a great step yes

[@nidungr3496]

First stratagem in the changelog, 2 minutes into the video and it already has 2 nerfs listed. I'm done. Edit: Pummeler nerf, there we go, a pointless nerf but now hidden in the patch notes.

[@skinnymb82508]

Massive win lol you must play on 7 or lower. Except the spear there is nothing that helps out for weapons on helldive. They still suck and don’t have enough ammo. Low standards much?

[@isaacfrost9250]

@@nidungr3496 OK bye

[@stablehuman8551]

Can proudly say i am a freedom fighter who never used the grenade glitch🤚

[@IntrusiveThot420]

I did it once because "holy shit yall we gotta try this it's hilarious" and then it was not fun

[@clintmcbride7830]

I heard about it never tried it myself either

[@codysing1223]

We missed the chance to be the unlimited knife throwing man

[@Jesse023]

Im a pre-patch veteran and I had the privilege of fighting side by side with some of the most cutthroat fearless divers under the worst condition joel could dish out. Guys by the name of Capt_Mcnuggets & Aunt Jemima saved my ass countless times.

[@Raj-df7wf]

Ngl sounds like an ad for McDonald’s, kinda funny

[@Sygless]

That acid sprint thing is amazing. i dont need the speed but I hit sprint to get up all the time. Thank you devs.

[@RezaQin]

Literally one of the things that I always yelled about, so unfair. So happy it was changed.

[@BOBINDUN]

THAT'S WHY SPRINT DIDN'T WORK TO GET UP?! Bro I thought it was going insane.

[@protonjones54]

13:49 wait this wasn't a feature already? I've already been hiding in bushes to evade enemies and you're telling me they didn't even have that shit "enabled?"

[@jesse5946]

😂 I thought the same thing

[@sappypngn]

Same

[@XenoDrake]

You were ahead of the game, bro. Practicing advanced strategies before they were even in the game! 😂

[@WaCrex]

23:24 "Relaxed disconnection policy for PC users." This will likely massively decrease the amount of disconnects we get. Instead of getting disconnected due to your connection (or the host's connection) not responding for a fraction of a second, it will (from the sound of it) try to reconnect you a few times... which will likely fix the majority of disconnects that you might experience.

[@radioactiveoven296]

Pummeler didn’t need to be nerfed. The fact that it stunned heavy enemies was the only thing it had going for it, it took 50-75% of a mag to kill an enemy. If they were going to do this then it needed a damage buff

[@elijahreed7839]

Nah fam i run pummeler and ballistic sheld and i could ez pz 2 tap faceplate shot devastatorz. Also only about 1/4 to half mag on the back of a hulk. And it still stuns large enemies just not as often. Still a great gun fam defo would still use 🤙

[@nidungr3496]

"No nerfs" Nerf

[@dunadan7136]

Being able to stun heavies is a nice bonus. The stun is most useful on bugs against Hunters and Stalkers. That is the number 1 reason why I take the Pummeler. Stunlocking Chargers and Hulks is definitely very funny but not the main reason why I take the weapon.

[@nidungr3496]

@@dunadan7136 "No nerfs" Nerf

[@zemufinman1639]

Heres an easy fix to modifiers limiting experimentation, add positive modifiers. "ammunition surplus" We ordered too much orbital ordnance ammunition (its coming out of YOUR paycheck) so cooldowns have been reduced for all orbital strikes "Engineer internship" we have a new wave of middle schoolers joining the super destroyer for this mission which means they will get to see their science fair projects in action, sentries cooldown reduced "Annual Eagle maintenance" the targeting and radar systems of the Eagle one have been removed for recalibration during this mission which means theres more room for explosives. All Eagle one call ins have 1 more use per rearm

[@jesse5946]

An interesting idea, though I think it might limit variety since they have better balance now. If there's a modifier making orbitals have less cool down, then everyone is just going to choose orbitals. I like the guy in the video's idea, where instead the modifiers can add more of a certain enemy type

[@Crispy_DAWG]

Nah, just make an environmental modifier and a negative modifier that requires the completion of an objective to remove. That way it gives an immediate jump in difficulty at the start, then becomes easier as you reach extract

[@slappymcsalmon3025]

Sounds like a waste of time.

[@Zane12ai]

All i wanted from the percison strike was a much faster cooldown OR an immidiate call in time, but i guess both is also pretty nice even though both of them are only half of what my expectations where. I mean a mathmatition will tell you that adds up to 100% satisfaction!

[@Sammysnows]

when alexus in balancing team : THis is fine "everything on fire" when Pilestied Take over : THIS IS NOT FINE THAT IS NOT FINE THIS IS BELONG IN THE TRASH WHOSE DUMB IDEA IS THIS REVERT THIS REVERT THAT BUFF THIS BUFF THAT THIS IS A PVE GAME NOT A DAMN PVP, GIVE THE PLAYER SOME POWER!!!

[@BattlerEvil]

i actually want Alexus fired ngl. normally I never want anyone's livelihood ruined but that amount of ego and hubris into balancing a game where you just think you know better? naah. fire alexus

[@georgi1905]

We didnt get any power sadly,,, changes to guns are minor unnoticable...

[@Scarletraven87]

Helldivers 2 community: Complains the tools are not powerful enough Complains the game is too easy Fails to see any paradox with their statements People who think with their guts, like a hungry 3 year old

[@YipeekayHarasho]

Bringer of Fun > Bringer of Balance

[@deadlyapollo]

@@georgi1905 ummm play more than 30 seconds. Tenderizer, amazing. Gatling and machine gun sentry, amazing. Crossbow is useful now. Gatling orbital FING shreds now. Eagle strafe actually kills things now. The list goes on....

[@PropeIIant]

Grenade launcher buff is crazy. Pairing it with stuns against bugs, mainly chargers, 5 shots to the butt takes it out. Combo that w resupply pack and youre set

[@samturner6061]

On higher difficulties, there should be nests for all of the different bugs. Like a charger nest on 4 and up, a bile titan nest on 5 and up, etc, and taking them on should be like a boss fight itself.

[@qwerty10384]

bro wants lol jungle in helldiverd

[@Mikas60]

This only works on lower difficulties. The quickest way to 100% clear a mission is to split into teams of 2 and each team goes off and does different things in different parts of the map. 1 team can be doing main/side objectives while the other goes off closing spawns and collecting samples. A 40min mission can be done in as little as 15min, even on 7+ difficulties. I normally play with randoms and if my team always sticks together I tend to run off on my own to close spawn areas so we can finish the mission faster. If your suggestion was implemented then they'd have to severely reduce spawn areas, since you'd need your whole team to be there for the "boss fight" to close the hole, which would be a lot of time invested for that 1 objective. Additionally, in Helldive difficulty, you spend most of your time avoiding combat and only engaging for the objectives. If every spawn area was a boss fight, then you'd see most people just avoid going to the spawn areas entirely because they'd likely get trapped in a reinforcement loop and lose a lot of time. However, I'd be fine if there were 1 or 2 (like Stalkers Nest) and they were blue side objectives. However, this might still pose a problem for people doing solo/duo dives, as the boss fight would have to be toned down significantly, or not pop up at all unless you start the mission with a team of 4.

[@gangsterguardsman4576]

I think a mission modifier like “Charger herds” would be cool, where occasionally a patrol is like, nothing but 3-4 chargers (no reinforcement calling bugs)

[@IRMentat]

Disagree with your difficulty ratings but agree in the overall. I’d love there to be a LOT more sub-objectives and on map features to play with and against. Not all of them need be negative. Even the AA -1 stratagem has its place but ALL “passives” should have on-map counterplay and when you do the associates sub objective you have a 1/3 chance for that tile so supercharge you in the opposite direction do you get LOWER cool-downs, +2 random stratagems (and/or a blue support item) for clearing AA nests, boosted radar fidelity instead of spores.

[@DnBGolf]

Fire tornados absolutely used to shift based on player movement. I suspected it based on my own movement, but I also watched one "chase" a teammate who was making erratic movements to avoid enemies. Plus, they'd sometimes spawn on extraction lol

[@Mlgpug553]

they did actually nerf something dear to me, but it wasnt listed in the gun catagory, it was under enemies. The pummeler can no longer stun lock chargers. With its mediocre damage that was a huge part of why i loved it

[@samturner6061]

"Bile titans sometimes take no damage to the head" christs sake, man. They always fuck something up. LMFAO

[@AC-hj9tv]

Tin foil hat: something something impervious exoskeleton

[@Chimerathon]

This has been the case for two patches now, I think it's what people believed was a "damage resistance" while spitting. It appears to actually just be that the spit animation hides the head hitbox from the front so your weapons hit the body if you shoot at the mouth. The bile titans head hitbox is on the forehead and the sputting animation blocks vision to the forehead from helldiver height.

[@alexwiles9732]

If you used the erupter for any amount of time while it had shrapnel you soon learned how to shoot it without team kills. Just needed a fix to the explosion pulling you inwards. I’m pretty salty still but tbf the rest of the patch is a huge W.

[@jasonfry2096]

I don't hate the Eruptor now though, it's useable

[@IRMentat]

Yeah the original Eruptor was fine. It feels like an entirely different weapon variant now.

[@Thorrbo87]

The one nerf I was ok with was the ammo count. 12 mags was a lot. But I want my shrapnel back

[@sirpieman300]

you also learned how to abuse the old shrapnel to one shot pretty much anything ( sometimes even bile titans )

[@jesse5946]

​@sirpieman300 I think this is why they've removed it for now. There probably is some way to use it in an OP way like that and they probably want to fix it to be more consistent before adding shrapnel back to it. Enough people want shrapnel that I'm sure they'll add it back eventually

[@IAmNumber4000]

Purifier still needs a huge damage buff

[@lukemehalick370]

I don't think that would help much. Id rather take -50% charge up time, which would double the damage out put but make it better at clearing hordes. 1 sec charge up to kill a lowly bot never feels good. Armor pen should actually be working on it now, as well.

[@IAmNumber4000]

@@lukemehalick370 Personally I prefer slow-firing heavy hitters like the Eruptor. And yes I am still salty about what they did to the Eruptor

[@josephburchanowski4636]

@@lukemehalick370 Give me 50 more direct damage over the -50% charge up time. I want to headshot devastators.

[@Faceball12]

I think they should make it an anti tank primary

[@herrfantastisch7489]

I agree. I just got done testing it not even ten minutes ago. It feels better, but still not really fun. It has good range, but if they wanted it to be a long range weapon, it really needs a better scope. I could see it being a good chip damage weapon to help teammates, especially when it three shots bile spewers. But I’d like if it felt, beefier? With its somewhat long charge, I feel like it should definitely do more damage. At least let me one shot a warrior and maybe two shot a brood?

[@goten010]

I still feel the hmg needs more rounds in the mag that's what it really needed 100 to 120 should be fine it doesn't need 200 rounds but 75 bullets is restrictive for a machinegun

[@Tamachii12]

at least it reloads faster now... i still find it awful to use since it handles like an unwilling donkey

[@berserkerpride]

It did get a huge buff overall though. The ROF change is really only removing the 900 so now 750 is top ROF, but now it gets 50% more damage and more durable damage too. So essentially low ROF is dealing lots more damage while lasting for a while. And the quicker reload makes it feel less annoying.

[@reptilesarecool9763]

I still liked the hmg before it got buffed this patch, so I’m super excited to try it out now

[@shadowsketch926]

@@Tamachii12 use it with the new armor perk, as that reduces the "weight", i just tried it and it's rather amazing how good that worked.

[@FazeParticles]

At least 100 rounds for the HMG. 75 rounds only would assume it’s using .50 instead of 5.56 and that would mean it’s heavy armor piercing the same way the anti-material rifle is.

[@michaelreece3937]

The seaf artillery I always found weird it stopped working when the destroyer left, I always thought it was cause the artillery communicated with the destroyer then you sent your strat request to the destroyer(?) seems a bit convoluted but eh? Makes more sense this way tho

[@ASGerner]

I'm sure the devs will say this is the lore reason for the change. Something like "helldivers now equipped with personal garage door openers for SEAF cannons"

[@geralt7144]

Is it just me or did the game performance increased. Runs even more fluid now. Armor suddenly feels like paper.

[@temperstar8411]

They did mention in the patch notes that they optimized the game more

[@geralt7144]

@@temperstar8411 The difference is like night and day. From solid 60 to 90 FPS without me changing a thing is nice

[@ryanvacation7319]

Same here. It does feel smoother

[@Brasshound480]

Probably from removing all the fog.

[@teemuhella1511]

They reduced fog. Maybe thats it?

[@zemufinman1639]

15:35 They should show you a pie chart of the ratio of each enemy and which ones show up when you are getting set up to dive that way you can bring explosives for spewers or fire for jumpers that kind of thing

[@quoang]

Crossbow buff, we back boys

[@4hip2oh0]

nope still sucks ass its worse

[@ObliviousNaga]

It feels like it used to but better range. I'm so happy

[@quoang]

@@ObliviousNaga Tried it, not exactly. The splash radius is still lower than its original state

[@ObliviousNaga]

But the radius does feel big enough to take out more targets than previously it could

[@quoang]

@@ObliviousNaga They buffed the blast damage. But I'll come nowhere near my record of 13 bots with a single bolt. Max I got now was 6 and they were very clustered

[@ryanvacation7319]

I love the changes to the sights of the guns especially the AMR. The devs put a ton of work in it. That alone made it a great patch ❤

[@casey360360]

These are the changes we've wanted to see!!!!! Sentry buffs, my Gatling barrage is EVEN MORE POWERFUL, the crossbow closes bug holes, so many amazing things!!!

[@tobiasrex8052]

Was there any reason the Liberator Penetrator wasn't touched in any positive way? The adjudicator has 80 damage & medium armor pen. What gives?

[@fenfrostpaws2000]

Just noticed that in-game. Guess that thing will just never be used ever

[@haveproblemz545]

I think thats what its meant to be though, it has med pen but less damage than tenderizer.

[@alphawolf6708]

Eh thats all good tbh, i wouldnt mind having like most of the weapons buffed rather than a few weapons buffed.

[@johnodarod9629]

I read the notes: basically if light armor "tender" does 95 dmg if medium armor it does 42.5.... LP does 45 for both light and medium from how I understood it...

[@agent5657]

Idk penetrator is not as horrible as y'all say, that said... actually I might be a hypocrite, I also barely use penetrator lol

[@sinteleon]

I'd note technically pummeler got nerfed due to medium and large enemies being more resistant to stuns, that specifically impacts pummeler.

[@decrepitfrogman8814]

As a machine gun main bug only player, this is so fucking poggers. I was eating good before the buff, but I tried it the minute the patch came out. Absolutely laying down the law with that damn thing now, feels good and tons of fun. It’s really elite mid armored enemies that used to soak up all your ammo but now you can just tear shit up.

[@AC-hj9tv]

🫨

[@mitchellw7118]

I am debating going back to machine myself now.

[@Ghostinthemachine47]

😎 light em up boys

[@decrepitfrogman8814]

@@mitchellw7118 honestly my kill counts are roughly the same, its just less of a hassle and feels better to use.

[@ProjectTaker]

Current Tenderizer was exactly what I thought it was originally going to be. Only light armor pen but has exceptionally high damage, tailored towards destroying weak spots and clearing out light infantry quickly.

[@BUZZKILL109]

So far i found 1 bug, Recoilless Rifle only gets 3 rockets on resupply. Good thing Spear is insane now (only tested on bots).

[@BUZZKILL109]

Also gunship patrols are now a thing on difficulty 8, and the amount of devastator spawns are ridiculous. Honestly would have preferred they not nerfed the spawns of heavies, cuz of how good Spear is now.

[@epicidex1006]

Apparently superior packing upgrade is bugged

[@qwerty10384]

did you guys see any new enemies perchance? pilestedt was hinting at it

[@roar104]

@@BUZZKILL109 yeah, we got more tools to deal with heavies in the orbitals and eagles, but they nerfed heavy spawns (which weren't an issue before this patch even)

[@berserkerpride]

Yeah my MG wasn't getting full reload from the pack either. They broke superior packing upgrade again.

[@matthewneal1870]

Maybe I missed it but seems they didn't undo the Slugger nerf, or the Arc thrower nerf. :/ What's the points of a slug shot gun that can't even stagger. Over all patch looks great though.

[@janusn9]

Exactly. I was shocked at how poorly the slugger did when it should have incredible armor penetration, albeit slow rate of fire.

[@ryanvacation7319]

Agreed they need to revert the Slugger and Arc thrower

[@targitausrithux2320]

@@ryanvacation7319glad I read this… if they didn’t undo the arc thrower nerfs then I ain’t hopping back in

[@KrodaStagg]

That's it, you people are officially impossible to please!

[@gbrlsnchs]

I think this is just a start. They need to feel our feedback for these mandatory buffs first, then proceed to readjust the other weapons.

[@trevordrakenor2063]

So... All this time the damage of rocket sentry. Is about the same as prebuff jar 5? no wonder it couldn't do shit before. Add that with thicker armor reduces damage...

[@areus1456]

Just used rocket sentry and I counted 13 shots on a bile titan before the titan got in reach and began puking on it. Then later in the match it shot about 8 shots at a charger in the rear and still didn't kill it. So still garbage.

[@berserkerpride]

Big splash though. Before it had only 1m splash which is basically nothing.

[@trevordrakenor2063]

@@berserkerpride think its doing, a bit ok now. It's still not doing anywhere near where it was advertised as anti-armor if its going to target things like charger and bile titan as priority. However, it does clear medium armor enemy well enough. decent against light, splash still weak as faq. way I see it if the flies can survive 3 times of splash literally sitting next to each other, that big splash damage meant nothing. but it is a mite better than before.

[@FazeParticles]

Rocket sentry should be very good against chargers now and heavy devastators.

[@jeffpadilla9891]

Anything about enemy sound/noise? I can’t believe that hulks can Ninja up on players.

[@ryanvacation7319]

They are still as silent. I agree they need to give large units foot step sounds

[@bennygummisko]

I always suspected they didnt sneak up, but rather spawned behind you

[@roar104]

@@bennygummisko they don't spawn right behind you. Have watched them walk up to allies many a times because they're not looking all directions

[@shippy1001]

@@roar104 Can confirm, they spawn less than 30m away from you, there are other videos with proof of that as well.

[@benmiller200]

No one has to be wrong. That shitheal does both.

[@thenamesgames6393]

The problem isn’t that the devs have the wrong mindset about the eruptor and its shrapnel. They themselves stated it, giving it that shrapnel gave it far more power than even support weapons had in ad clear and armor penetration compartment. The developers don’t have to compromise their vision about primary weapons for us to have our easy mode rifle.

[@shadowsketch926]

while i do agree somewhat, there's the notion that having a primary that can be used in the same way a support weapon is used, albeit it with a heavy downside, it allowed for build variety, i personally loved running the stalwart as my "main weapon" and use the eruptor on bigger problems.

[@dumbname1961]

people shooting Eruptors close to a wall and killing themselves is skill issue. L. give us back shrapnel

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

I don't know why people are saying this. They removed the shrapnel probably because people were shooting it under chargers and killing them in one shot. Doubt it had anything to do with friendly fire. Else they wouldn't have added the airburst rocket like soon after.

[@Crispy_DAWG]

They have to fix shrapnel before they even think about it being in any weapon or support weapon. The amount of cheese was unfun. On par with the infinite grenade glitch.

[@nidungr3496]

@@kamikeserpentail3778 Yeah, it's this. The weapon was effective and we can't have that in this game. Then they lied about it.

[@Sure_Ruse_User]

For me the problem I had and that I think the devs might have seen happen enough was that the Eruptor killed me after they added ricochets, when firing at anything with armour and a ricochet occurred no matter the distance between me and the enemy I died (together with any other Helldiver near me) instantly while wearing heavy armor with the -50% explosion damage perk. So all the comments here that say it is a skill issue because people shot stuff right in front of them is such a moronic "I never saw any problem ergo there is no problem" thinking. Currently, some people are complaining about some ESC-press-on-ship-killing-framerate-for-them problem, well I don't have that problem without having some monster rig, so it is obvious that problem does not exist, "all those idiots that can't even properly start and play the game" smh.

[@r4178]

Time to fire the game backup. Strategem changes look good. I still agree with you - Eruptor having shrapnel gave it uniqueness. I hope they eventually re-introduce shrapnel on it or other weapons, even if its just a disability effect instead of pure dmg. Effects are cool - "Moar Damage" is boring, anyways. A slow or bleed would be great. The ability to effect armor status would be interesting such as temporarily decreasing part durability for other weapons. Possible to do? Who knows. But I want to see shrapnel back.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

I agree. I always hated the erupter. But no one can argue that it wasn't more unique with shrapnel. A lot of the comments focus on damage or armor penetration, but there are many more ways to make weapons useful and stand out.

[@QuantumFreq]

I’m glad you spoke up about the eruptor. I thought the same thing. But this is a good start, I’m super excited about the future of this game.

[@HippioKass]

All i wanted was Eruptor shrapnel back. Hopefully itll 1 shot bile spewers, hive guards, and Brood Commanders again, if it does that its good enough for me, maybe theyll consider shrapnel again in the future. Edit: After trying it, it's aight I guess, Broodies still take 2, spewers and hive guards can be 1 shot, chargers are a pain but they'll die eventually, still want my shrapnel back 😭

[@robalberto1583]

I like the idea that shrapnel makes targets bleed that way if you hit a player it’s no insta kill. Maybe an aggressive fall of for damage of the shrapnel?

[@Xenochrome]

They still haven’t fixed any of the issues with friend requests. None. At all. Since launch.

[@FenixReZ]

The Acid Effect change made me jump from my seat!!!!!!

[@willgegg8601]

Finally some good fuckin patch notes

[@latayantheazran]

Fire tornadoes absolutely followed players sometimes. Every time i died when a storm was happening, and got reinforced, when falling from the sky i could see that the tornadoes were only spawning in areas with players. They dont actively chase you but a lot of times they follow you to whatever general area you are currently on, and they love to spawn whenever you call an extraction.

[@nickbalog940]

15:52 i agree bc it already seems like they have a hidden effect that chooses which enemies to have on your missions so this would be an easy and good idea to make it easier for ppl who need it but not ruin it for others who dont.

[@zackhopkins5185]

That heavy MG stagger increase should make that weapon alot more fun

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

I was using it with smoke so it could get close. Killed a couple factory striders with it a few days ago.

[@ElPato_rof]

I think shrapnel is not coming back because is too buggy, thats all and they dont want to accept that they have technical issues to solve it, otherwise there is no reason.

[@claudeb3673]

Thank you for the analysis and quality content Thicc ❤ Happy for the patch but yeah, bringing shrapnel back was my hope also... i wont whine because of all the Wins

[@sirtaugs]

Thank you for reading everything out! It's hard for me to read the walls of text and retain all the information. I'll immediately forget the sentence I read, lol. Hearing it helps me tenfold. Appreciate it!

[@eddiemitza2544]

Pummler got nerf though... Why? Just why? 2 Steps forward and 1 backwards

[@samturner6061]

I want the game to be harder too, but I think they can accomplish this without fiddling with spawnrates and such so much. For example, instead of fiddling with bile titans toughness so much, why not just add in a bile behemoth, that is like a giant bombardier beetle that is even tougher? Then they can leave Bile titans where they were. It must be so much more work than I am imagining to implement stuff like this. It seems like a given, to me, to do this with this game.

[@StuckTrippin]

It is far easier to turn a few 2's into a 3's in the code lines than to model an entire new enemy, factor every single existing weapon and stratagem against this new enemy, and ensure the new enemy interacts with the multitude of environments the properly.

[@qwerty10384]

make higher difficultys

[@BOBINDUN]

I think it's time to add new enemies, big bug and big robot to attack.

[@Kittonwy]

I'm going to miss running into four hulks together on my own. Last night took out 3 and ran out of stun grenades, lord and behold there was one more and ended up cheaping out and using orbital railgun.

[@jeffreyparkes7558]

I like the eruptor, but I was sniping a bug patrol and a single hunter hiding behind a rock jumped at me from the side didn’t even hit me but as I shot he dived straight in front of my bullet and I died

[@Chickensea10]

LETS GO CROSSBOW AND SPEAR! SAVE THE HELLDIVERS!

[@mrg2155]

Tenderiser is ACTUALLY better than the liberator now. Like on a factual level, rather than a coping level.

[@KamilDevonish]

the artillery change is such a good idea. It immediately makes that point of interest a priority if you are on a mission where everything is going to shit and you know you won't have stratagems for evac.

[@Brannen666]

A friend of mine suggested that the -1 strat modifier could be brought back but as a side mission on the map. Ie: drop in with 4 strategems chosen but only 3 usable until you destroy/shut down the objective and unlock it.

[@willybiggs-rj6qt]

i hope everyone doesn’t go Private Lobby…I’m Frend!

[@SoraTheKobold]

im excited to try the gatling barrage, i always enjoyed it before even if it wasn't the greatest also hii thiccc (i didnt say clay this time)

[@thiccfila]

lol hellooo saro (i meant to say sora)

[@danieltaylor3570]

As a recent dropper we can definitely feel the changes to the flamers you get a decent chance to stim now and the spear actually can fire now. We didn't even talk about the erupters sight away and put an acog on it the extra damage feels good though

[@monsoonthagoon]

I haven't installed the new patch yet, but I'm very interested to see how the Crossbow & Purifier are now. I think I'll still miss the OG Crossbow, but at least they're trying to follow up on making it a medium killer instead of a pea shooter. I hope the Purifier buff is better than it sounds, fingers crossed.

[@TheIronGabel]

No nerfs is a little misleading. The Pummeler no longer stuns heavy enemies, the 110 Rocket Pods do much less explosive damage, and the Bile Titan head is more resistant to the Railgun. In the grand scheme, these are minimal, but changes nonetheless.

[@thiccfila]

The pummeler still stunlocks chargers, the rocket pods got higher armor pen to offset that damage, needs testing, and the bile titan head was made less resistant so the railgun could damage it better.

[@erniegang8127]

@@thiccfilawhich might be an indirect buff to emancipator right?

[@General-F]

​@@thiccfilaDoes mean I can still stun Hulks? Because I hate those more than Tanks.

[@alexandergogolev702]

@@thiccfila Even with the higher pen, the overall dmg has been nerfed from 300 (600/2) before the patch on high armor targets to 250. Arguably the targeting issue with the 110 mm was a bug, since it should've always worked the way it does now given the descprition.

[@brokendoop]

This is good progress. Still a lot of things needing changes though.

[@sortahungry8217]

This is exciting to see/hear I’ve been taking my a break from the game since all the nerfs were ruining the experience for me. Extremely happy to hear about the AR class getting some love finally.

[@_Brando_69]

Last time I played the game I was shocked at how low the player count had gotten on the planets.

[@spawnofsanta5330]

Wheres the known issue - punted back to ship without warning, kick, or error message? I had it occur multiple times yesterday costing hours, samples, and mission progress.

[@Viper3220]

LOL the spear feels worse somehow. The gatling barrage went from ass to meh. The HMG is actually fun now against bots. The HMG emplacement rotation speed is fantastic. The Eruptor is still in a weird place.

[@vicstanfieldshire7754]

8:23 not just the shrapnel, they need to bring back the vacuum element of it, it used to group up smaller enemies into one area.

[@Karakzul]

I wonder if they made the spear like a javelin and give it a lock on mode dependent on your ping like laser guided unless they plan to add an atgm emplacement

[@romerus6087]

first patch in ages with significant buffs, and there are people still complaining holy shit. That is why we can't have nice things.

[@hariman7727]

What gets me are the people who are demanding buffs for weapons that are already pretty awesome, like the quasar.

[@deadwinterrider4104]

​@@hariman7727quasar got a monstrous reload time nerf a while ago n made it less viable,these changes don't help it

[@rodafowa1279]

@@deadwinterrider4104 Yes, but IF they stick to their word and reverted patrols and lowered the number of heavies on higher difficulties, the Quasar post-nerf is actually in a fine spot.

[@herrfantastisch7489]

I’m overall very happy with this patch, but imo, people are still in their right to add more suggestions. They should. This patch was very good, and there’s still more work to be done. Nothing wrong with wanting some more buffs to weapons which need love. Only the people who are complaining and being overly pedantic and dramatic are the problem imo. People like that don’t add anything of sustenance than people who genuinely want the rollercoaster to keep on climbing.

[@hariman7727]

@@deadwinterrider4104 it's not so awesome that it's a primary for everyone, but it's also still REALLY strong when used well.

[@Cos416]

Eruptor needs to be fixed, give it shrapnel. It was my main primary no matter what it did, it was fun. Bring that back, bring back the fun of the Eruptor.

[@ultimabk]

So much good done. Especially making assault rifles viable. I took the liberator with me on a level 6 mission, had a blast.

[@GutterV]

Been rocking Orbital Gatling and Eagle Gun Run for a while since it was easy to avoid "accidentals" with them. I'm looking forward seeing how more dangerous they are later tonight.

[@sirrealism7300]

Theres a bug with the ballistic shield now where you cant get up from prone or crouch with it. Also, theres an instant kill glitch from hulk rockets that was introduced where you ragdoll like crazy and the impact kills you. Also, looks like theres less ammo in the hmg emplacement (but may just be me). Also, arc thrower still not fixed... 100 changes my ass.

[@sirrealism7300]

Also, they changed the positions of holstered guns on your character and it looks stupid

[@qwerty10384]

always something to complain about. Instead of seeing all the great things this patch introduces you decide to focus on the small thing and make it a big issue

[@LordVader69420]

​@qwerty10384 pull AH's dick outta your mouth, they barely did 💩, and you're already licking your lips

[@LordVader69420]

Seems they broke superior packing methodology as well, and the charger's butt is immune to explosives. That's all I've noticed so far. They better not take another month to fix this crap...

[@sirrealism7300]

​@@qwerty10384 I'm sorry, I expected there to be more significant changes. Especially for the wait time. To have my favorite playstyle butchered (shield and SMG) because of a weird bug that exists only in this most recent patch, and having to wait for a hotfix sucks.

[@samturner6061]

I wouldn't mind all of these ups and downs with the balance, the breakings of weapons etc, if it was part of the lore. They tried to make the Breaker changes about a month ago feel like it was some kind of issue with the factories, and when they buffed fire damage across the board they said something about new armour sacrificing the fire resistant layer for more padding, but other than those two instances they haven't touched it. They could have had a bunch of fun with the eruptor. Imagine if this was the turn of events: We farm samples on these alien worlds, one of the samples is from these exploding bushes on jungle planets. RnD faffs about, makes the eruptor. A week later, it starts malfunctioning. They recall, and all new eruptors are sent out without the erupting part of it anymore. Glorified spud launchers. That's so in line with Helldivers lore that it actually sounds a fun thing to be a part of. IF IT'S presented like that. Which it wasn't. It was presented like a bunch of blind autistic monkeys parading as a chefs kitchen team fumbling everybody's orders.

[@qwerty10384]

just try to find a lore reason for every change this patch makes and you would find it impossible aswell

[@bryansmith2859]

I think shrapnel being tied to a specific planet would have been much better. Then if we kept that planet we could keep shrapnel

[@tyraven673]

With all these buffs it makes me wonder what new enemies are coming that's going to have us needing all that increased armor pen and damage 😅

[@evanrogers1825]

I always forget that the requisition shop also gets new items as well. I was pleasantly surprised when I stumbled upon the second beret helmet in this pack!

[@exodus2oo]

ARs still feel meh but are slightly better than before

[@4hip2oh0]

They still shit

[@blackstone777]

​@@4hip2oh0 oh look two gamer nerds who never shot an AR in their life. Go to a range, kids.

[@KageRyuu6]

Unless they remove the ridiculous ricochet mechanic, adding shrapnel back to Eruptor would essentially be suicide.

[@LordVader69420]

Who cares? The guns ass now compared to before 🤡

[@vicstanfieldshire7754]

26:01 I literally this morning with the new patch saw a dude drop a rocket turret, as soon as it whack-a-mole’d it ate a single rocket and was done.

[@Omni0404]

This is like the "Oops all crunchberries" cereal, but a patch! It's raining crunchberries!

[@libertusprimus]

WHY CANT MY ERUPTOR HAVE ITS SHRAPNEL BACK....

[@fierson5202]

Spear is fix with break. It won't lock on automatons factory

[@tvanza7791]

They will hot fix it when they figure it out. Besides, why waste a spear on a fabricator when there are so many other options

[@hariman7727]

I can live with that.

[@Space-xf5xr]

I liked being cutoff last minute running from a horder of bugs because it adds cinematic times because i have to turn around and fight them or dive thru the flames and burn and heal

[@carlosmdc9069]

Machine gun sentry, orbital gas and gatling barrage will control bug breaches with ease pre-patch. Recoilless for armored spawns and you were golden.

[@SevericK_BooM]

The orbital precision was already really good now it’s just insane

[@LordVader69420]

It got a slight buff, but okay 👍

[@matusmahut7268]

@@LordVader69420 slight? Literally half the call in time, it's very good now.

[@IntrusiveThot420]

Stun nade + OPS on any enemy is cracked now. It used to be OPS in front where they're gonna walk to, THEN stun when the enemy, which took some skill but could be inconsistent. Now it's just fucking awesome.

[@abyssalzone2957]

Great assault rifles buff but tenderizer should have medium armor penetrating nobody wanna just tenderize small bugs only 😒

[@RoboChocobo]

Would make adjudicator pointless. Already makes liberty penetrator dubious.

[@crackededge9351]

⁠@@RoboChocoboLiberator Penetrator makes itself pointless. The Adjudicator needs better handling and less horizontal recoil to be viable over other assault rifles.

[@Sovreign071]

The Eruptor's ballance was it's low fire rate. You had to make sure your shots counted, or no amount of shrapnel would compensate.

[@JJSterling88]

Re the Tank Heat Sink checking for explosion direction: in the previous build you could destroy a Tank with the Scorcher or Purifier by shooting at the side of the turret, near the rear. The explosive damage would affect the heat sink, even though you couldn’t see it. I’m assuming the “explosion direction” check will change this, but I haven’t tested it yet.

[@Fatty_WB]

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