This Safety Norm is Stupid

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Transparency disclaimer: Following an internal review, we decided to remove the tip to test your own eyepro yourself from the video. As the community has rightly suggested, self-tests aren't really proving anything and can potentially damage eye pro. Thanks everyone for helping to improve our content, in terms helping everyone taking information from this video. Your feedback means a lot.

[@paytonsong9267]

@@airsoft-explained-novritsch I remember seeing the thread about it, I personally think that it is good advice. If your goggles get damaged after a couple shots, then you probably got very cheap or low quality goggles. They're meant to be shot at, so if it can't handle being shot without damage, it is failing it's job. So the advice is fine, people just overreacted for some reason.

[@Lozart]

Fun fact - Bolle Trackers with the headband, pass EN166B. Without the headband they are only rated to F. Same glasses, just held on better.

[@ziontrask3459]

so what i’m hearing is goggles are way safer for airsoft

[@Trzebiat]

You're mistaken about glasses rated EN166F (like ESS Crossbow) meaning they failed the EN166B and EN166A tests. The EN166F is the highest rating any glasses can get because glasses don't go through the B and A impact tests at all so they can't get these ratings, this doesn't mean they failed the B and A test, they could as well pass those tests if they would go through them. The EN166B rating and test is exclusively for goggles and full face shields and it's the highest rating the goggles can get while the EN166A is exclusively reserved for full face shields only and it's the highest full face shields can get. If glasses have additionally MIL-PRF-32432 rating this means they already passed even more rigorous test and that's what matters, not the EN166F rating the glasses have (same with Z87+). Also, don't shoot your eyepro to test it.

[@vulcanforge4922]

@@Trzebiat Why not shoot your eye protection to see if its good? I have some ideas but i would like to know your take on it. Also do you have any suggestions on testing eye protection effectively to see if its really safe if you're unsure about the validity of the eye protections rating? Thank you.

[@Trzebiat]

@@vulcanforge4922 If you're unsure of the validity of the rating of the eyepro you shouldn't use it at. If it's properly rated it's safe. If it's not rated don't use it. We already have proper testing methods which result with eyepro getting their impact ratings.

[@BorxFranker]

@@vulcanforge4922 In my opinion if you are unsure dont buy it. Safe, rated eye pro from a reputed seller is not that expensive. There is a reason there are all these ratings. You cannot effectively test them yourself at home. So either they have rating you trust so no reason to shoot them, just go and use them in a game; or you dont trust them and the DIY testing you may do at home is not going to solve that. Bad testing may not reveal the weakness on glasses so it just gives you false confidence on their safety. In short, dont do DIY safety rating, just buy it.

[@vulcanforge4922]

@@BorxFranker Lets say the eye protection comes from a construction shop a pretty reputable construction shop, but its not super famous so its reputation only comes from a limited amount of people. Would testing it at home compromise the integrity of the eye protection leading it to not be suitable? because if not, testing it just for the sake of confidence and "better safe than sorry" doesnt seem to bad, mostly if you your self dont have 100% confidense in the product, but not to low of a confidense that you think its trash. In other words i think self testing eye protection doesnt hurt, because if it breaks then you know its bad, but if it holds then atleast you know that it can hold its own and the rating is true. Also thank you for the reply, it was very insightful and i hope we can both learn something out of this.

[@NepaAirsoft]

At least you did not mention Mesh Goggles!

[@DustyInstinct3000]

@@NepaAirsoft oh agreed

[@jimtomav20]

Plate mesh or wire mesh? Not all mesh is equal.

[@tono_tactico]

@@jimtomav20 Any mesh is unsuitable for airsoft.

[@jimtomav20]

@@tono_tactico That opinion seems to vary by country. In the UK mesh is borderline default.

[@ollegoop9]

i hate when i see mesh cus they are so shit, letting in sharpnels of bb so NEVER suitable for airsoft

[@MrSpiff9]

Thank you fro the video Josef! At our field in the US, we require a minimum of an ANSI 87.1+ Full Seal eye pro (we still get people trying to sneak past without full seal and have to watch closely!!!) for two reasons; Insurance, and more importantly, the safety of our players eyes! (They don't grow back, either!) I've never understood why anyone would cheap out on eye pro, or proper safety gear when riding motorcycles, but they do... We also require hard lower face protection on players under 18 years old, and highly encourage it on everyone else. It seems like about every three months, someone gets a tooth shot out (kinda expensive to repair!) and we even have the Novritsch mouthguards in stock. We always appreciate your great information and the wonderful customer service from Adrianna and Polina! Cheers!

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Hey thank you for the feedback and kind words! Yes, we agree. Don't cheap out on safety gear. It's always fun and games until somebody gets hurt and has permanent injuries

[@rockycockatoo7944]

what about long term quality of the eyepro after getting hit multiple times? how often should new ones be purchased

[@djj1013]

My rule of thumb is if it has visible dents, cracks, warping or damage other then surface scratches, I replace the lense. If it gets shot 5 or more times at a range less then 10 ft, I replace the lense. If it gets shot 25 or more times at a range greater then 10 ft I replace the lense. And yes I keep track of impacts in a notebook after games. I might be over cautious, but I'm not about to lose an eye when it's easily preventable.

[@opairsoft8100]

@@djj1013 your going to be replacing lens at that point almost every other game day if not every event. Quality Rated Lens can easily take 50 rounds point blank at 3J so at 1.5j or less you can easily get away with 100 rounds if not more from most distances of 25+ feet and the very small amount where it’s under 25. Like the amount of shots a average Dye mask takes for people who run them in indoor/speedqb areas are easily into the hundreds at anywhere from 1-1.5j at basically point blank range. Now if your running cheap AliExpress garbage that doesn’t have a rating, sure that might be viable, but there are other problems if that was the scenario

[@callsign_mazur]

2:18 is just josef beeing josef

[@johnnystacks9468]

always shocked by the dudes with no lower face protection!!

[@DustyInstinct3000]

Yes very cringe worthy 😬🫣

[@merc741]

Just keep your mouth shut and you'll be fine

[@therealsourc3]

@@merc741 you can still get your teeth shattered through your skin. Human skin around the face is generally thin and doesn't offer much protection against small high velocity projectiles. So don't be stupid trying to act cool. Protect your teeth either with a mma teeth guard or get a lower face mask, they're dirt cheap.. Thank me later

[@merc741]

@@therealsourc3 not saying that to be "cool". I've been playing for years. If I play CQB I have a small piece of mesh to cover my mouth that goes under a balaclava. If I'm playing woodland I don't bother

[@slick571]

Thank you very much for this upload, the timing is impeckable - as I am just in the process of buying my gear :D

[@ziontrask3459]

you’re not always going to be shot from the front. get full seal for full safety.

[@atomicivyeet5846]

Are the ess crosbows a good choice for airsoft as i believe they are ballistic glasses?

[@timmys8119]

Yes. I use the suppressor variant and they're really nice.

[@HuntersOA]

I use an UVEX 5503 which only states EN166 and no further classification. I've been shot in the eye by a DMR and not even a dent on the damn thing. But it is not 100% fool proof. While crawling on ground I had cases where foliage got under the glasses for example. On their own they hold poorly on my head. I had to add a bungee to the back so they do not move. But all-in-all they are really good. When I first took them for a game, we propped it up and shot it about 30 times with a regular AEG to check if they are OK or not. They are serving me well but yeah.

[@thumbthumb5998]

Those absolutely seem to not have enough coverage for airsoft the gaps in the nose region seems to large to protect from stray bbs. I use the Uvex Megasonic which is EN 166 B so more than enough and they just got over my normal glasses with the antifogunit to not fog up my normal glasses.

[@jimalvarez5042]

God dude i saw a kid at the field with a Nerf Mask! I told him he should not use that as its not safe. The ref was a younger dude and seemed like he didn't really check anyone only FPS

[@TwentyTwoSigma]

For real. Some of those mask have the film lens. That floppy plastic sheet layer. They aren't meant for anything but nerf. Even then, I won't let kids use them if I see them.

[@Jollyroger4973]

The problem, IMHO, is when, at very beginning of the video, you use the words "cheap and reliable" in the same sentence: as eye pro are _the most important_ piece of equipment, because, as you rightly said, eyes don't heal, in no way someone should use something cheap and subpar. In a world where 99% of us spend a big amount of cash in useless items (mostly very eye catchy and tacticool, but useless none the less 😆), maybe it would be better to spend less in trinckets and more on what's really important. My 2 cents. (PS: personally, albeit being an italian, where ASGs must not be over 1J, I use Oakley SI Shocktube, which have a ANSI-Z87.1 certified lenses)

[@skywardsoul1178]

Absolutely agree. You always have to account for sheisters using hot guns and worst case scenarios also. The first big purchase should be high quality eye pro, rather than an expensive replica. It's, as you said, not as eye catching and tacticool though, thus many people overlook it. Also frequently overlooked is that having an eyepro solution that constantly fogs, you can't really enjoy the game. You can also get mil-surp eyepro for a much reduced price, even new.

[@s34mu5]

What about STANAG 2920?

[@Dexter-v6h]

thanks

[@T4nkcommander]

The idiots here arguing you shouldnt test your goggles are a special breed. If you cant trust your eye pro to take more than one hit, why are you bringing it to an airsoft match where it will often get hit more than once when it gets hit?

[@ScorpiusGG]

WileyX Saber All the way!

[@steve00alt70]

You would think in 2024 nearly 2025 there would be a standard for airsoft glasses and anything else is illegal, like there is for motorcycle european helmets. Its a complete joke.

[@Kkk007-e9w]

I don’t t understand those numbers 😂 so which ones should I buy 🤷‍♂️😀 I want glasses not googles. In places where I play there’s a snipers with 3J guns.

[@SnipsTAC]

So is ansi z87.1+ ok for airsoft

[@quartzlandaker5664]

@@SnipsTAC you will be ok at any us airsoft field with limits below 1.1j

[@SnipsTAC]

@@quartzlandaker5664 my field has min engagement ranges for dog Jules

[@sparky_2826]

2:19 *german moment*

[@Yakas2]

*austrian

[@sparky_2826]

@@Yakas2 the doctor told me I was artistic

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Yes.

[@ProtesttheAntagonist]

Putting an edit at the top of this comment since the video was edited and the context was lost: Video suggested that you can test if eyepro is safe by shooting it yourself. You can't. You simply cannot. You shooting it can only proof that it is resistant to THAT shot. You might not get so lucky next time when someone fumbles the trigger on their sniper when you walk out of spawn. Or you might have caused small invisible cracks hidden by the frame. That's why we use eyepro that's rated for SO MUCH MORE than airsoft can ever inflict. #3 "shoot your own eye protection" DO NOT DO THIS. This is not a safety test, at best you learn exactly nothing, at worst you invisibly damage your eye protection but decide to trust it after it survived your shot. This is genuinely dangerous advice and you should take the video down for including it.

[@herbertthesherrifandsometo4994]

But shouldn't eye protection take more then one shot

[@ProtesttheAntagonist]

@@herbertthesherrifandsometo4994 yeah but how do you know that it is still safe after you've shot it? If you don't trust your eyepro to the point that you want to test it before using it you shouldn't use it at all.

[@DeXteR.AIRSOFT]

@@ProtesttheAntagonist Hold on. So you're saying either blindly trust a product if you're unsure, or just throw it out? Black and white much? Can't we use some brainpower and common sense?

[@DeXteR.AIRSOFT]

​@@MCD10000Oh yeah, and we all know an airsoft subreddit is the mightiest knowledge platform, with only acredited individuals with pertinent opinions we should take into consideration, right? Since when did reddit become more than a place to shitpost and make fun of people? Damn...

[@arni21]

@@DeXteR.AIRSOFT I mean they are right. Shooting eye protection on purpouse is really stupid and will only weaken already bad eye pro (or best case scenario: do nothing to good protection) and it wont tell you anything about the quality of it so you end up trustign shit that will fail after a few days of UV and thermal cycling and some bb hits

[@pokeDINO2260]

Nein nein nein nein! josef-2023

[@misfit7051]

Do not shoot your own personal protection equipment. Novritsch company as usual showing they know next to nothing.this is also the company that sells lasers and says its perfectly fine for Airsoft. Ridiculous

[@T4nkcommander]

So you don't trust your eye pro to take more than one hit? Whatever will you do if someone shoots you multiple times and hits your goggles?

[@misfit7051]

@@T4nkcommander it's your eyes bro you can make your own mistake just don't cry about it like a baby after being an idiot

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Thank you for your feedback, please take good care of your eyes. Also, please share with everyone why you believe lasers are not perfectly fine for airsoft.

[@brycedunn8059]

@@misfit7051 "you can make your own mistake just don't cry about it like a baby after being an idiot". this doesnt mean anything. if your eye pro cant take more then 1 hit why would you use in a game? Testing is necessary. please try to prove me wrong. write in simple terms why im wrong i dare you.

[@vulpix9210]

Pyramex

[@Diaboloman.Airsoft]

Lot of bad information in this video, the new good norm is the EN ISO 16321 with the D and the E. And the military norms are not always OK for airsoft, cause yeah the glasses could be resist of lot of joule, but you have to certificate the frame, and the frame are really often too weak. So if you want a real protection wear goggles, and never glasses. And use the new EN ISO norms, not the stanag and not the mil norm

[@Fat_]

Don't shoot your own eyepro!!!!!!!!!!

[@brycedunn8059]

so your saying when my eye pro gets shot once in a game i should buy a brand new pair every single time??

[@Fat_]

@@brycedunn8059 depends, normally it should withstand multiple shot, I will get a new one once I can feel the scratches/dents or those scratches block my sight But of course ideally you can change them more frequently I don't take any responsibility for your eyesight and use as your own risk, I believe every players should be able to assess by themselves If anyone really not sure, just change it

[@Tilt_TM]

Why

[@Fat_]

@@Tilt_TM why you want to damage your eyepro?

[@Tilt_TM]

@@Fat_ If it gets damaged from a few BBs then it wasn't going to protect my eyes in the first place.

[@Ham68229]

Seems to me like Mil spec should be the only allowed

[@jimtomav20]

The issue with that is the cost of most of the Mil spec stuff starts in the triple digits which will drastically limit accessibility of the sport for newer players.

[@konigaminggr]

Why am I this early to a novritsch video?

[@milneberovvbg]

i shoot at mine with 4j bolt sniper from less than a 1 meter and doesnt even scratch it and not once

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Sounds pretty safe.

[@milneberovvbg]

@@airsoft-explained-novritsch yeah right for 2 euro's is the best 🤣🤣🤣

[@therealsourc3]

How is it legal to play with a 4J gun? Do you stand 100 m away when shooting?

[@milneberovvbg]

@@therealsourc3 i didnt say it is , i just upgrade mine on 4j,but the m4 is around 1,2j and i play with it for now.Btw in some terrains here is legal to play with bolt sniper 2,7j up to 3,5j and min. distance is like around 25m.

[@therealsourc3]

@@milneberovvbg wth if I'm gonna play with a sniper more than 1.4J I need to be 40+ m away

[@maiky129]

There is a lot of bad and potentially harmful advice and information given here.

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Please elaborate, I guess we all can learn from you. No sarcasm from my side, we all can learn something

[@SudoSlick]

damn im early

[@thezombiekillingcrew]

Telling your fanbase, typically younger, newer players to SHOOT THEIR OWN EYE PROTECTION is reprehensible and deeply irresponsible. Any reasonable person will tell you that this is a bad idea, and it’s borderline shameful that you would encourage your customers and fans to potentially damage their eye protection, and more importantly result in injuries as a result of your misinformation. Shame on you.

[@quartzlandaker5664]

If it can't take 1 BB from you it won't take 20 from the other team

[@Suicide_King89]

I think you misinterpret whole idea, me and the rest of my team also double safetu check of our new googles or glasses, where the weakest of our replicas have 1.1 joule and the strongest 3.4 joules, if eye protection is able to whistand all of our replicas at range of 5 meters, then we know that our next purchase will be those exact glasses/googles, better to destroy them day before match than have a very very veeeery bad experiance with eye doctor.

[@mrfabtastic5321]

To be honest If it can’t take a single then it want take multiple hints. I test my gear in a safe environment in my garden. At least I know it can take a hit, rather than the bb potentially going through and hurt me.

[@airsoft-explained-novritsch]

Thank you for your feedback. I am not sure how you can get injured from shooting your eye pro unless you wear them while testing. In this case, please refrain from ever touching a replica, gun or any sharp object. And obviously, when shooting, please wear eye pro, but not the one you are intending to test.

[@JStar27]

Idiotic comment. This is the type of person who shoot their own eye fot fun.

[@pyce.]

6:43 you mean *civilian* norm?