This Setting On The Lauten Clarion Sounds A Lot Like The Neumann U87ai

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The Microphone Assassin

The Microphone Assassin

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@vocals07
@vocals07 3 ай бұрын
I think it sounds awesome ! The Lauten Audio is a killer company. I’d get that in a heartbeat
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, man. I'm really starting to think Lauten makes the best mics in the world.
@vocals07
@vocals07 3 ай бұрын
@@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff definitely Mark as I’ve said before you do a phenomenal shootout and I’ve had anywhere from high-end flea mics to the Upton 251 to the Telefunken C12 to the AKG C414 EB with a brass capsule and I’ve had vintage 87s and I’ll tell you you’re right on Lauten Audio makes some incredible mics no doubt
@TheRecordist
@TheRecordist 3 ай бұрын
Holy crapola! Wow! The 87 sounds muffled and veiled in comparison. I'd choose the Clarion all day long! Insane in the figure 8 setting! WOOOOO
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
The 87's lack of clarity may have worked in the tape era from whence it was designed, but in the age of digital, the shortcomings of it's smeary FET are easily exposed. It's not a bad sound, just not necessarily the sound of today.
@carminelombardi9575
@carminelombardi9575 3 ай бұрын
Wow the Clarion let's more transients in, but with comp and eq it would sound as warm and smooth as needed, but the transients is something I like, and it's a third the price. Great video.
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! And great point. You could smooth those transients out, if desired, but you can’t add more of that Clarion detail to the 87.
@BillBene67
@BillBene67 3 ай бұрын
I'm loving the sound of the CLEARion..... Woah. Didn't see this coming
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Plot twist! Clear-ion indeed!
@carl-magnusconsitt7389
@carl-magnusconsitt7389 3 ай бұрын
The Figure 8 on the Clarion sounds like the best sound on a mic no matter what! Sounds like a "moded u47 fet" with a paper thin mid... I love it !!!
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that fig-8 tone on the Clarion is some totally best-in-class outrageous.
@carl-magnusconsitt7389
@carl-magnusconsitt7389 2 ай бұрын
You must do a test between the Clarion and the brother Atlantis! Once again, very good review! Thanks
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 2 ай бұрын
I would absolutely love to compare them. Keep your fingers x’d that it will happen someday.
@hackinghifi4247
@hackinghifi4247 3 ай бұрын
Man it sounds similar. If I was not active listening I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart. Maybe just a bit more smoothness in the 87 and more articulation in the clarion in figure 8 mode.
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Yup. The casual listener would never know, especially in a mix or on a music bed. The Clarion has a much cleaner sounding FET in it than the 87.
@tobiaskagstrom
@tobiaskagstrom Күн бұрын
I think the Clarion is more "cloned" after the U47 (FET) but with a "modern top end"...!? I really appriciate this video though since I have used my Clarion for about 2 years but never before discovered this "trick" =) I guess you record in a very dead room though? How close is the front wall (behind the camera) and is it dampened? What I'm going for is that maybe the figure-8 gets less of that good fat/close/clear tone in a more lively room capturing more of the reverberation of the space behind the mic. And then get maybe less appropriate for voice over?!
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff Күн бұрын
Yeah, I'm in a booth, a small one, and about a foot behind the mic is actually a 32 inch monitor, and behind that a treated wall. The booth is extremely well sound treated, so yes, this may only be a trick that works in a booth for VO, but if you try it in a room, let me know what you think of the results.
@Danny-Lightning-CSR
@Danny-Lightning-CSR 3 ай бұрын
i must say the clarion does sound better overall in cordioid and in the other mode it almost sounds the same..
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Danny! The Clarion continues to reveal itself as a serious contender.
@PatrickCollier
@PatrickCollier Ай бұрын
great video
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff Ай бұрын
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!
@annavmusic6309
@annavmusic6309 3 ай бұрын
and it sounds great as an outside kick drum mic too!!
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
I’m starting to learn that the Clarion is one beast of a versatile mic.
@vladimirpetrovic4771
@vladimirpetrovic4771 3 ай бұрын
Wow, I have to admit, the sound is indeed very close on both microphones, especially when you switch the LC to figure 8. You can really feel that small difference in the creamy soft sound that the U87 transformer brings. But I would probably get lost in a blind A/B test trying to tell which microphone is which :) Mark, are the microphones on any specific external preamp or on the MT48 preamps? By the way, you sound great on both microphones!
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Vlad! Both mics are just going into the MT-48, using its gorgeous on-board preamps. And I agree that it really takes critical listening to notice the subtleties that divide them. Enough so that I’m convinced the average consumer end-user listener would never tell if you dubbed one in for the other.
@vladimirpetrovic4771
@vladimirpetrovic4771 3 ай бұрын
@@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff Totally agree, Mark!
@TerryWyce
@TerryWyce 2 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, you stated that you did not have any EQ on the Clarion. What did you just do? Use some noise removal and compression?
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 2 ай бұрын
Hi Terry, I always use just a light kiss of fast 1.5:1 compression on the MT48 with a high threshold to tame any peaky transients going in, but I doubt it does much at all when I'm just speaking normally. Also, no noise removal, just the MT48's built in gate.
@scottphillipsvo
@scottphillipsvo 3 ай бұрын
Speaking as somebody who works as a voice over and also as a producer, I'm much preferring the sound of the Clarion here. I think that if I were sent 2 files from the same VO without knowing which mics they used, I'd actually run with the Clarion recording.
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for lending your ears, Scott! I've been thinking a lot about this lately and I believe the much cleaner choice of FET vs the 87's FET is a huge difference maker here. In the age of tape, the 87's smeared lower mid wouldn't have been as apparent as it is today and the more detailed Clarion just feels like a much better VO choice because of it.
@terrellgrantviews
@terrellgrantviews 3 ай бұрын
I literally just became a subscriber yesterday. Do you have a videos comparing the Atlantis vs. U87?
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Hi Terrell! Welcome aboard. Currently, I do not have an Atlantis, but should that situation change, you bet there will be a head-to-head with the 87. Thanks for the suggestion!
@innercynic2784
@innercynic2784 3 ай бұрын
Damn! That's so similar.
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
And I have to believe there is no way Lauten didn't realize this and kept it a secret for all these years, forcing me to buy Neumanns.
@michaelbonanno7476
@michaelbonanno7476 23 сағат бұрын
My Clarion seems to capture the source exactly as I hear it in the room. So far, the only “trouble instrument” would be electric guitar. Otherwise, it’s a keeper, especially for bass.
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 22 сағат бұрын
Thank you for that information. I hadn't used it on guitar, but I can see how it could be problematic. Guitar, especially amplified, especially with crunch, has so many overtones and harmonics in the upper mids and highs that having so much detailed capture in those regions can be just a bit too much and probably steps all over the vocals up there. You'd probably have to start rolling off the Clarion around 3-5khz if it's really a crunchy amp tone, or scoop that presence area for a cleaner tone, but I totally get how it may not be the right tool for the job on guitar amps.
@curtishustace
@curtishustace 3 ай бұрын
Lauten Clarion Vs. LS208?! :)
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
Hi Curtis! For sure! Coming up, probably in a couple days or so, on the Microphone Playboy podcast.
@mixedbyrg5481
@mixedbyrg5481 Ай бұрын
Hey Mark, is The Clarion good for rap vocals?
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff Ай бұрын
I would imagine very much so. Especially on the +10 db boost setting.
@garyembar4774
@garyembar4774 3 ай бұрын
Wow!!! Well Mark, given your voice, rig and the environment, the u87 has clearly lost to Clarion in more ways than one. Evidently, the u87 did exaggerate, exacerbate and overtly accentuated the nasally tone (probably around 600-1k) when compared to the clarion which stayed relatively balanced, crisp and clean....effortlessly oozing clarity!!! Besides, the Lauten Clarion is undoubtedly the strongest contender in the running for the title "KING of Clarity", while the u87 is merely continuing to bask in the glory of laurels from yester-decades, being blind and clueless of the world around. Now, let's get to the pricing; if anything, the u87 is worth no more than half its listed price or may be even less! ....Why? See what a Clarion just delivered here, and at a price less than half of that of a u87....You tell me! The u87 has no business charging 4k+ while being unable to standup against a 1k+ Lauten. Think about it; Any of us could get an EDEN+ATLANTIS+CLARION for the price of just one U87! Just think about it!! In-fact Mark, in all fairness and giving credit where its due; if we exclude the music industry and focus explicitly on the VO World, going forward, the "Lauten" should be the benchmark microphones ...and the Neumann's should be tested in comparison..not the other way around. The Neumanns have enjoyed spotlight, premium status and Price for decades and they have no sheen left to shine, nor the power to claim supremacy over the pedestal they were put on!
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
100 percent agree with all of it. Very well said, Gary! That is a revolutionary manifesto! I had a teacher in college tell us that a client will sometimes pick the most expensive option so that just in case the job falls flat, they can tell their boss they used the best available. And I think it’s an archaic mindset that continues to fuel the idea Neumann’s are worth their price tag. The 87 became a standard because back before home studios were a thing, almost all studios had an 87 as a general purpose mic that rarely sounds bad on anything. But today, as the audio world faces an evolution, it’s time to look at the mics that are delivering what the VO market wants.
@garyembar4774
@garyembar4774 3 ай бұрын
@@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff The story of u87 (Neumann in general) is akin to that of NOKIA/Blackberry/Palm…while Lauten has the storyline of Apple.
@curtishustace
@curtishustace 3 ай бұрын
@@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff coming from the photography world, is similar. In high-end commercial work, you are expected to use high-end brands for cameras (Phase One, Hasselblad, etc), lights (Profoto, Broncolor), etc. The fact is you can get the same results with a cheaper camera (Fuji), and cheaper lights (Godox, etc., after all, light is light, there is no difference in the light coming from a $10k power pack and a $1k power pack the physics of light doesn't change because of the brand). But it's "what's expected" and there is a perception of success and quality with the higher-end brands. Always drove me nuts, it's the destination that counts, not the route you take to get there. :)
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
@@curtishustace Exactly! That is a great example. Ultimately, 99.999 percent of all the people who go to the Louvre to look at the Mona Lisa don't ask themselves, "What brush did DaVinci use?"
@TheRecordist
@TheRecordist 3 ай бұрын
Wow. That's incredibly well said!
@YTHalilo
@YTHalilo 3 ай бұрын
Is it a sin if I state that the Clarion sounds better to me? haha
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 3 ай бұрын
You wouldn’t be alone in thinking that.
@w.g.5225
@w.g.5225 28 күн бұрын
I hear resonances from the clarion. U87 doesn’t have it. High mids just beautiful on u87 not sibilant as the clarion.
@w.g.5225
@w.g.5225 28 күн бұрын
Clarion sounds more as the Tlm 103 with mids boost.
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for playing.
@3jahel7
@3jahel7 3 күн бұрын
I agree
@ripdocholiday9650
@ripdocholiday9650 2 ай бұрын
the clarion sounds was smoother and better, I hate u87 that transformer smear is annoying
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff
@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff 2 ай бұрын
For sure! That smear is hard to ignore once you hear it against something like the Clarion. You can’t unhear it.
@3jahel7
@3jahel7 3 күн бұрын
@@MarkYoshimotoNemcoff it sounds so “warm” tho hahah but tbh id rather it not be there and add it in post if I wanted it
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