This Small British Bike Could SAVE Motorcycling

[@john_barnett]

pros: it looks cool, it's well built cons: literally everything else

[@BenelliMr]

especially the price

[@jannepeltonen2036]

Nah. It also seems good to ride, it has a decent range for a bike like that, it's powerful enough so you don't get into trouble with traffic. It's a bit expensive and you can't take a passenger. Otherwise, I'd be very much tempted.

[@BenelliMr]

@@jannepeltonen2036 buy a second hand KTM with a spare battery back for the same money: double power, triple fun, double autonomy for each battery and it was built ten years ago; design is very personal taste; KTM built quality is austrian

[@kylestevens7263]

Cool? Nah.

[@R-Tap]

​​@@jannepeltonen2036fair enough, but a nice 125 scooter would also be excellent at one third of the price, that buys a lot of fuel and no range anxiety. And, this is a bobber.

[@Videolinquency]

As the number one reason for urban commuting is shopping, getting rid of everything behind the saddle may not be the smartest design choice. I have been using small bikes for daily transport for decades, and found that their practical value is pretty much defined by their carrying capacity.

[@jannepeltonen2036]

I think the number one reason is actual commuting - getting to your workplace and back home again. Also, if on a shopping trip, you can take a backpack.

[@Videolinquency]

@@jannepeltonen2036 We are all different. I envy the self-control of anyone who can stop at a single backpack's worth of shopping!

[@alanbicknell7696]

How long before they offer a rear rack top box and panniers.

[@GaryFÓBrien]

@@jannepeltonen2036 I shop with a back pack twice a week on my Monkey but need the seat behind for resting a heavy back pack on.

[@JoeHamelin]

@@jannepeltonen2036 We all work from home, now.

[@FFVoyager]

Starting at £7500? That is not a bike that will attract youngsters.

[@ryannowell3802]

They do a cheaper version for £4999

[@FFVoyager]

@@ryannowell3802 that's not the bike that Jack is reviewing and telling us will attract young riders. 🙄

[@davidquinn5906]

@@ryannowell3802 the five grand one is a curious thing. Bigger than a 50 so doesn't qualify for a moped licence, but much slower than a 125 so it's scary on an A road (45 top speed?).

[@ryannowell3802]

@@davidquinn5906 you only need a CBT to ride it and it seems perfect for urban commuting where max Road speed is likely to be 30mph. Its what i am going for because my car is not LEZ compliant

[@bluegtturbo]

​@@ryannowell3802well no, that's not quite true. Yes, you can only ride it after completing a cbt if you're a new rider, but you'll still need to pass a test in the following two years or retaken the cbt etc etc

[@duncanward1718]

I've said it before elsewhere, and I'll say it again. A small commuter bike like this needs a luggage rack to put a top box on. You need somewhere to put your back back with your work gear, and somewhere to put your helmet.

[@ZirothTech]

Love seeing these bikes around, such beautiful design. Another main reason for declining new motorcyclists is the absolute disaster that is the licence system - If start riding at 16 you have to do 3 full bike licences in total (like I have done...) which is insanely expensive and annoying. On the plus side, electric bikes could help solve it, as although the lowest power licence (A1) gets you a pretty low powered ICE bike, it gets you an absolute bullet of an electric motorbike, as someone at the DVLA doesn't understand the difference between peak and continuous power!

[@pixelfrenzy]

Well, you don't HAVE to do all the licenses - and why should you have to if all you want to do is ride a 125cc or equivalent? I don't want to have to learn how to ride a big ICE bike just to lose my L-plates on my electric moped, and I don't see how doing CBT every 2 years makes the roads safer, it just generates revenue.

[@JohnDunkley]

Totally agree. If I want to drive a car, I take one test for life and that's it. It does seem to be just a money spinner.​@@pixelfrenzy

[@keithoneill6273]

I'm not sure that riding a "bullet" of a motorbike is a good idea. As a former motorcyclist of very many years, I now feel that they should be banned completely. Why? They are simply too dangerous. Did you see that, last weekend, five motorcyclists were killed in just two accidents near Buxton? Motorbikes offer too little protection in the event of any accident/mishap and the consequences are often severe. I had a few near-misses in my time. Added to that, these days you also have many more older car drivers on the road, whose reactions and roadcraft are not necessarily the best, creating additional hazards.

[@mtb0x]

I agree with this. I had a 50cc scooter when I was 16, riding on just a CBT. Then I passed my car test at 17 and I never rode a bike again. (The odd ride on a 50cc Aprilia RS that my friend owned) Doing yet another test seemed pointless and expensive. I already had a years experience on a 50cc and I could now drive a car. So the bike story died at about 17 and a half.

[@thomaskaufmann226]

​@@keithoneill6273 Then ban smoking and alcohol, they kill way more than motorcycles🤔

[@peteshuttleworth7783]

That's not a review, it's an advert.

[@jeanlefranc3817]

Well, this is Fully Charged show. They love anything electric

[@adrianlloyd3246]

Cruiser silhouette? More like a bobber isn't it?

[@john_barnett]

cafe racer?

[@adrianlloyd3246]

@@john_barnett that seat sticking out the back floating over the rear wheel is a bit bobber-esq

[@bikebudha01]

This video and this bike have missed the mark. I've owned a 2017 Zero SR for the past 5 years. I use it to commute to work. It's the single best bike for the job. BUT.. .it has one big flaw. It's desiged to be a 'motorycle'... In that it looks and funtions like a motorcycle. Why is that a bad thing? Because there is zero (pun intended) storage on the bike. So stopping by the store to pick up a gallon of milk on the way home is not an option. In fact, stopping anywere to pick up anything is not an option. I can't even store my helmet in gloves in the bike. Electric motorcyles are the pinnical of urban commuting. Quite, no clutch, nibble, quick. But just look at the RM1S, you can't even carry a passenger, let alone a gallon of milk, or a briefcase, or anything.

[@pixelfrenzy]

Even my lowly electric moped has a top-box and a hook at the front that holds a shopping bag every day I'm out.

[@ErinJWade]

Wear a backpack?

[@bikebudha01]

@@ErinJWade defeats the purpose of having a vehicle...

[@rayphot]

I've fitted an Aluminium top box to my Zero S and it is just perfect for commuting now. I also have the pannier frames so can (and have) go touring. I've had Givi aluminium panniers for several years now; I just buy the respective pannier frames etc when changing bikes.

[@mattrowe6394]

@@bikebudha01 check out their website for the side panniers bags, as there is no internal combustion engine it's not hot and can carry loads either side.

[@Jack13001]

starting the video trying to answer how to encourage youngsters to start biking, and then the price is 7500 pounds... This is more of a toy for a wealthy person than a young person's transportation. Even a 2 grand ebike is a stretch for most young people

[@GlaucusBlue]

Yeah saw an mg5 ev for 8500 the other day, when you can get vehicles like that for similar price as this, it makes little sense imo.

[@raidengl]

In the US, some states have E-bike rebates to help with the costs.

[@JohnDunkley]

Of course when you weigh up the reduced maintenance and cheap charging costs it does pay itself back in the long term. But young people look at them as a stepping stone toward the bigger bikes, so cheap makes sense.

[@islaws4589]

5:55 The bike is legally required to have linked brakes 'because' it doesn't have abs.

[@maximuswong3092]

Finance it then, I could never normally afford it but it's only £200a month which is nothing.

[@nickbowers]

something like that, except made by Xiaomi for £1,750 is more likely to save biking i think. looks great though.

[@dna9838]

Except buying a xoami shovels that money forever out of your community. Buying this one is more expensive, but a large part of that cost is for engineering, supply chain, and helps retain some semblance of manufacturing capability in the UK . Going bargain basement for everything takes a huge toll on our national capability and communities that the employment and tax maintains. If not enough of us take personal responsibility to buy British products and support our economy, we won’t be CAPABLE of making things in the future, even if we want or need to. We need to collectively wake up to this.

[@drunkenhobo5039]

​@@dna9838I don't know how to break this to you but you're about 50 years too late.

[@DaddyjeeFF]

​@@drunkenhobo5039hahahaha😂😂😂

[@DaddyjeeFF]

Absolutely right @nickbowers

[@cosmic_cupcake]

giving the software-locking bullshit that xiaomi is pulling with their cars, I'm honestly not sure if such a purchase would save you money in the long run.

[@standupmoto]

As an Aussie motorbike reviewer I’d like to thank The Fully Charged Show for taking the time to show electric motorbikes, it looks like a lovely little machine and beautifully built. Sadly I think the price will hold back sales as with the BMW electric range of scooters but it is early days for two wheels in the electric era. Hopefully as time passes production costs will reduce and make prices a little more affordable. ps: don’t want to sound like an old fuddy duddy but please wear some eye protection, take it from someone that’s caught a bug or two in the eyes over his time on two wheels 😎

[@pixelfrenzy]

+1 on the eye protection... never mind bugs, how about small stones. I prefer an open-face helmet, but at 45+mph even a bumble bee bouncing off your face can be a shock!

[@pnblondon1087]

+2 for the eye protection (+ feet + doing yer jacket up!). It really is NOT 'early days for two wheels in the electric era'. My 2008 Vectrix maxiscooter makes this gutless little thing look crude and slow with zero weather protection and bugger-all carrying capacity!

[@CosmicSeeker69]

@@pnblondon1087 WOW - That looks awesome - weather protection - screen, and looks comfortable - unlike those pre-historic twin shocks on the Maeving

[@connclissmann6514]

Ideal bike for the role you mentioned? The Honda Cub 90. An EV version, complete with leg protection, step-through convenience and room for two would sell great if priced right. Perhaps Elliot could have a look around and see are there such bikes already on offer in China?

[@AJames-jr8kw]

There are millions of them in China. I think they make millions per month. Approx 20% households have scooter/step through of some sort. Gas scooters banned in urban areas.

[@f4tpie]

A cub is so cheap to run that a petrol version makes sense I think- it’s super reliable and uses very generic off the shelf parts that every basic mechanic understands. An electric cub couldn’t come near the low price point of the existing petrol model because it costs the same to develop a cheap vehicle as an expensive one and the running costs would be very similar. I think EVs suit cars better at this stage especially given the tendencies of bikers being enthusiasts rather than just people moving.

[@sergentcolon1]

I own two Honda 125 bikes, a SH125i scooter and a Dax 125. Both do over 120mpg, the SH has stop/start technology. They are light, easy to ride and cheap to run and I paid less for both than one Maeving. The reason youngsters are not getting into motorcycling is that over the years governments have made getting a motorcycle licence progressively more difficult than a car licence. Insurance costs are also very expensive. I doubt the Maeving will encourage more people into motorcycling, it has a substantial up front cost over a petrol 125 which has similar performance and 125’s are so cheap to run while producing very little emissions compared to cars the should be promoted as a more efficient means of transport.

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

I think its going to vary a great deal on where you are in life and geographically - for me with home solar setup an EV of any sort would make more sense even with the upfront cost assuming I'm actually going to use it - effectively only paying for the insurance not the fuel. However when you only do a few miles a month as you walk/cycle/public transport for most of your needs even the most fuel hungry vehicle is fine, the only thing that matters are the surrounding running costs (so smaller likely still wins out on insurance etc) and upfront price. At which point you might as well get whatever is the most fun to you. As your mileage needs increase it then becomes that balancing act for running cost vs upfront cost - and there I'd suggest thing thing would be a good choice for many. Then there is also the practicality - most of the EV bikes i've seen come with a reasonable and practical storage cubby as there is so much more space when your motor and battery are smaller than just the engine of most ICE powered bikes. I'd also argue that here at least most folks I know my age and younger don't want to use two wheels at all, ever because the roads are frequently very dangerous for the two wheeler full of idiots in giant SUV and potholes - its a much harder sell to get somebody onto two wheels if they spent their youth not being allowed to ride the bicycle anywhere (if their parents would even buy them one).

[@paulleonard1296]

The only place this bike is useful is in a city and most people who live in a city have nowhere to charge or even store a motorcycle.

[@TheZitherish]

What’s the maintenance schedule like?

[@antmoto6668]

@@paulleonard1296 Removable battery mate. Take it into your apartment to charge.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

Agree on the gov reg re: licence

[@gasdive]

As an electric motorcycle owner for the last 14 years, I'm "on side". I reckon they'll sell about 20 of these things to the whole world.

[@milesprowerdavis7658]

It's for hipsters, not a ride up the coast bike. Definitely not cheap

[@crocosnz3322]

True it's not a distance tourer. But it's not meant to be - as Jack said in the review, it's a commuter bike that can handle SOME A-road travel. Total cafe racer styling, but doesn't mean it's for hipsters.

[@sevenus82]

7500 for a single person ride? I don't predict their bright future.

[@mikadavies660]

I commute every day on a scooter into London.... But I need a true 80 to 100 miles range. A £7,500+ equivalent to a 125cc just isn't even close to good enough. My wife is taking her bike test... But for £7,500 she can buy a Honda Hornet 750.... She would never want a boutique expensive 125cc electric. I honestly have no idea who would buy this. In the same way as no one wanted to buy the Renault Twizy.

[@mattrowe6394]

@@mikadavies660 can you take the batteries out and charge at work?

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

This bike makes perfect sense... For a small subset of the population. Imagine living in a small, historic city. York, Oxford, Durham... You have a high paying job, and live in an expensive terraced house a few miles from the city centre where you work. You feel like you earn too much to be stuck taking the bus, but parking in the city centre costs like £50 a day, and parking by your house is a nightmare. You have a lot of money, and want a premium, stylish product. Suddenly this bike makes sense. Parks for free because most car parks don't charge for bikes. It can fit in your front garden or between two cars, and you can charge its batteries inside. Range and speed are irrelevant because even when theres no traffic yout commute doesn't exceed 40mph. Thats it. Thats the customer base for this bike.

[@MikeKisil]

Not much said on charging times and at what amps.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

The Twizzy was more practical

[@Tuber80]

@@HALLish-jl5mo Backpack with a suit?

[@SilverfoxJB]

Removable batteries is the way. All over Taiwan, you see bikes pull up to the battery banks, change for a new one and away again. So simple. This bike looks great.

[@EleanorPeterson]

Removable doesn't necessarily mean exchangeable. Swapping flat batteries for charged ones at a well-managed public bank sounds viable (if you don't mind sitting on top of a pack that a previous user might have abused and possibly rendered unsafe), but Britain doesn't have any public pack-swap banks. This bike just lets you take them out. That's good for security (thieves can't steal what isn't there), but these batteries aren't made removable for swapping; once removed, you're supposed to charge them yourself. I hate the idea of having neighbours who carry big lithium batteries into their houses or garages, and leave them to charge overnight.💥👀

[@ChrisMcEvoy72]

You said it rides like an electric bicycle. It's because that what it is - it's a £7.5k electric bicycle. Not sure how this is going to sell - it's like a cross between an e-bike and a more expensive proper electric motorbike. It's not going to appeal to those who usually buy a 125cc motorbike - too expensive for youngsters or as a first bike - and not fast enough or a long enough range for those looking for a bigger bike (for a similar price). It's OK for (expensive) commuting, but far from the future of motorcycling...

[@alankemp1970]

Nice. Shame though they are still priced as if the battery pack was made in 2014! I just built 2, 3kwh reserve Lifepo4 packs for my electric sailboat for under £450 each including BMS so they must be able to do it for a lot less than me 😊

[@alankemp1970]

….and don’t forget the motor and controller cost less than a petrol engine to manufacture, this QS 3-8kw motor is around £390 retail

[@eddjordan2399]

what kit?

[@alankemp1970]

@@eddjordan2399 Kit? The motor is a QS hub motor, the motor sells for £390 as a single unit- complete motor, controller, dash display, throttle and switches from around the £550 mark. You can search for QS motors for the factory store- they are very popular with self builds and conversions and many manufacturers use them too.

[@EVSpeed]

mistake! just put a switch near your fingers on the handle bar for on demand regen! i did it with my build. its the best. you get the coast if you want and you get the regen instead of eating those precious small brake pads on a small bike like that.

[@PierreAlainMaire]

Nice ! Adding a reverse switch would be useful, too

[@Masq09]

As a biker for nearly 40 years I’m afraid the intro just got my back up. Completely wrong. This is a city bike/moped replacement, not the saviour of motorcycling! How about reviewing a Zero bike? That might be a bit more interesting for me.

[@seanjennings6831]

My advice, talk about a subject you understand as you obviously do not understand motorcyclists!

[@johncrispin2118]

Jack, excellent video very tempting that little bike. I am a 76yr old died in the wool motorcyclist. To my shame I ride and restore vintage bikes and of course they run on ff, they don’t have to, but alternative ‘e fuels ‘ are not available ( hmm wonder why that is ?? ) sinful definitely but I doubt I do more than 3k miles pa in total . To counter balance this ‘indulgence’ we (wife and I ) run two evs have solar and ashp and so I am hoping I may have qualified for just a bit of absolution ! Love the show well done Imogen ! Bit of friendly advice … please fasten your jacket .

[@Gee-fr2ro]

Kawasaki have plans to make Hydrogen combustion engine motorcycles and they have built a prototype, also Toyota are going down the road of Hydrogen engines so I don't think EV motorcycles are the only option in the future. 🤘

[@swecreations]

@@Gee-fr2ro Hydrogen for road use is dead.

[@Gee-fr2ro]

@@swecreations Billions of dollars of investment capital and taxpayer support has flowed into the green hydrogen industry, and company share prices have soared. This has accelerated recently driven by the rising adoption of zero-emission vehicles, a deadline set by many countries to go carbon-free by 2050 and the US governments support for clean energy. The European Union plans to scale up renewable hydrogen projects and invest a cumulative amount of 470 billion euros ($740 billion) by 2050. Western Australian mining magnate Andrew Forrest announced plans to invest billions of dollars in green hydrogen to grow his new energy business. So no I don't see it as dead in combination with several major engine manufacturers developing hydrogen engines.

[@swecreations]

@@Gee-fr2ro Considering most hydrogen refueling stations in the EU have closed down or are in the process of closing down in the last few years I have a hard time seeing this. Every single attempt to make it work in the last 10 years, with billions of dollars invested, have failed. It makes no sense when EVs are already good enough as we speak, and have a massive inherent efficiency advantage that hydrogen will never be able to get away from, hydrogen fuel cells aren't any more efficient than gasoline combustion engines are, and hydrogen combustion is much less efficient than even that. Why would anyone want to fuel their truck or car with a fuel that costs multiple times more than electricity in an EV.

[@mestinks]

​@@Gee-fr2roThe planned green hydrogen uses are for large scale transport options and manufacturing not cars and bikes as the will never be retail hydrogen available . Toyota sold 6 hydrogen cars clast year, the market has already decided.

[@davidvestey6014]

Living next to a main road I can’t wait for quiet bikes🫨

[@antmoto6668]

maybe house prices on main roads will go up once everyone has ev's :)

[@paulrobinson373]

Has anyone thats watched this ever had a battery that has not been thrown away after 5 years?

[@harkmannah7432]

Won’t work. Too expensive and unless you have a bike licence too dangerous. And if you do have a bike licence you won’t choose this. Sorry

[@JohnDunkley]

I'm 62, bought my first moped last year (electric). I've got my eye on a Maeving for its replacement. But the main thing is I love it soooo much, whizzing around the country roads, or even a few trips to London. It's been wonderful

[@pixelfrenzy]

What did you get? I bought a Lexmoto LX06 (125cc equivalent) last year and am very happy with it. The other comment here about licensing in the UK is very on-point though... I will be sticking with L-plates and doing CBT every 2 years which seems pretty pointless - they need to reform the licensing system.

[@JohnDunkley]

I bought a Yadea G5 29mph top speed, which I can run without lplates because it was on my license for people of a certain age. But if I upgrade to a 125cc then I will need L plates. And I agree the CBT system is weird

[@pixelfrenzy]

@@JohnDunkley I had a very similar one to the Yadea when I worked in China... cost me about £280 on the road! (No insurance or license required.) The LX06 I bought in the UK for £2700 - TEN TIMES THE PRICE! Much more powerful bike, but even so the difference is crazy. In China absolutely everyone is riding electric mopeds now.

[@springford9511]

@@JohnDunkley The present CBT and license system was introduced due to a high accident rate. The idea was to get people up to test standard instead of running around on a provisional for years and years and never learning the finer points of how to ride. The bike test is pretty strict. Before then you could ride a 250cc on a provisional for ever and never take a test. That's what many people did. Also the test was very weak. The examiner was on foot and you rode round the block a few times with the examiner popping out from behind a tree to test the emergency stop🙂 I think that when it first came in, the CBT with time limit on provisional system forced you to take a year off between CBTs. That is a year with no license at all. I can't remember how long the provisional lasted, it was one or two years. The CBT is no picnic for a newbie. When I did it two of the four participants were denied the road portion due to a poor performance in the "car park" portion. So a fail in effect though they didn't call it that. One was in floods of tears because she had big biking plans for the near future. One, maybe the same one, looked as if she hadn't ever ridden a bicycle or used a manual gearbox.

[@Lee-70ish]

7500 smackers is way over priced to make it attractive You dont need to be a motoring expert to understand this EG : £3600 will buy a 120mpg plus Honda PCX 125 . Weather protection included way more storage, and the engine will out last a battery pack many times over. Its a 1000 quid a pop just for the battery and to get some viable range you need two

[@pnblondon1087]

Jack, I’m glad you enjoyed the Maeving but some of your praise seems well over the top to me. As a naked single-seater it’s a lot less practical than any number of cheaper electric motorcycles and scooters I’ve ridden. There’s no protection from the elements and no possibility of adding any useful carrying capacity because of that daft and minimalist seat instead of a sensible sub-frame on which to perch both passenger and top box. (Compare and contrast with the dummy tank on a Honda NC750, for example, which has enough space for a full face helmet). We certainly won’t be seeing any of these Maevings used by delivery companies, that’s for sure. My upgraded 2008 Vectrix maxiscooter is much better looking, much more practical, faster and has better range! It also has fab regen braking which means my pads and discs last for ever. And FFS do your jacket up when you’re riding - you’ve got little enough crash protection as it is, without nullifying what you are wearing - you look like a know-nothing teenager with no imagination!

[@dirkvandijk6112]

Cool commuter but you are missing the point of "big petrol bikes" entirely in your intro. Apples, oranges.

[@Mr.N0.0ne]

And you missed the point of this video and this channel entirely. Burning fossil fuels in petrol guzzling machines needs to be phased out as soon as possible.

[@akwamarsunzal]

The run down of why motorbikes need to change is exactly why most people ride a motorbike! 🤣🤣🤣

[@jcreswick]

That price 😂😂😂

[@superleggenda]

£7500 is definitely too much for something that nobody will comfortably ride out of town. Remember that there are a lot of inexpensive, low maintenance ICE bikes at or below that price range. Bikes that you can use for a Sunday ride to the coast, WITH a pillion. I am thinking most Royal Enfields, the new 400cc Triumphs, but also 500 cc Hondas. He’ll, you could get a base model BMW F900R for the same money. That is why they “have better quality than Tesla”: they are selling an overpriced piece of machinery that will be obsolete in two years at twice what it should reasonably cost. With current battery tech, motorcycles are not the right type of vehicle to electrify. Maybe in a few years’ time. For context: both our family cars are EVs, we own eMTBs, but the only motorcycles we would consider today run on dinosaur juice. Which is maybe why we haven’t bought one.

[@dctdave.buttybach]

It’s simply an expensive summer commuter bike and I can’t see it selling very well at all. Commuting in cities & towns is the ‘scooter’ style that will be excepted all over the world, if a manufacturer can do it at a reasonable price then they will sell millions of them!

[@AlexOnABoat]

The Chinese are selling millions of them already, mainly in China.

[@oldad73]

So, a commuter bike is it? Where then do you put your briefcase? Lunchbox? Wet weather gear? Helmet?

[@shastamite2]

Helmet you bring inside. The rest goes in a backpack.

[@tonybarton3746]

I like it , been riding 53 years and it would be ideal where I live on a island, as you said change the seat and I’d change the foot pegs to rubber ones , metal gets wet in the winter and your feet slip off , plus a quick hint with experience never ride a motorbike wearing trainers, come of you’ll will regret it . Great bike again 😊👍👍

[@TheKsharm]

Excellent points... Yep a boot that has enough metal in it to protect your foot being crushed

[@stevemorris3710]

£7,495 with no regen? Oh, shame, well keep one for the museum when you go bust.

[@hetane]

Here in Zürich the bicycle lanes , pavement, and roads are occupied in excess by electric scooters like SPC XT2000. This costs CHF1650 and all the teenagers are using it...AND it can take a pillion! A boy with his girlfriend on the back scooting across the town on these is a normal thing. Cost and accessibility will always determine the interest of young people!

[@Simonpocarroll]

“It’s closer to a bycicle, than a bit bike” and there’s the issue, a good e-bike is probably the answer , and much cheaper. I understand there’s always a premium option , but this is ( imho) niche, not mainstream.

[@kevinsmith3343]

They'd have to fix the seat and provide panniers before I would test ride even - I'd need swimming kit on the way and a bit of shopping on the way back or there's no point going!

[@mattrowe6394]

@@kevinsmith3343 panniers are on their website bud, the Oxford roll top panniers look really cool. Guess a test ride is in order 🙌😉😎

[@davidnewbrook8628]

They make a pannier for it.

[@FlyingScot911]

Nice but I prefer my DIY eBike. My top speed is only 40mph. The bike weighs less than 55lbs which was my target weight for the build. It is the limit for public transit. Although I could ride the 100+ kilometers to Vancouver I find it much nicer to throw my bike on the bus bike rack and pay the $5 to get to the city fast and then jump on my bike. Having said that I have actually spent the majority of my time exploring forestry roads and trails here in BC. Love the back country. I also have a gorgeous trailer built from a converted tricycle that I can use for my Costco trips. Mostly I use the trailer to carry my gold panning and camping gear along with my 200watt folding solar panel I use for charging my battery when in the middle of nowhere. I can tow 2 propane tanks in the trailer at 50kph and I don't even feel it. It is a mid-drive CYC Stealth Gen 3 motor with what has to be the best torque sensing pedaling of any bike. I prefer to pedal for the exercise. My wheels are hand built for strength and speed, 220mm front rotor on my SRAM Code RSC brakes for the best stopping power. I get a ton of compliments on the build. Most of them from people who don't realize it's an eBike.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

good luck with the 'panning - it's THE right time

[@Patiboke]

I agree with Jack, a bench seat with a little bagage carrier would look better. Not a fan of the bobber look.

[@1954Antony]

60:40 brake looks after you 90% of the time, the rest of the time it'll dump you off the bike. Sleep well whilst that potential runaway fire is charging.

[@christill]

I’ve been looking into what the traditional motorcycle manufacturers have been doing recently, after not paying much attention for a few years. And they really haven’t done much at all with EVs. It’s like they want to go bust. This company seems cool how they focus on lower power and quality manufacturing. But why buy a motorcycle when you can buy a more practical scooter? It’s easier to get on and off and ride, has more storage space, lower centre of gravity. There’s no real benefit to a motorcycle style for practical applications.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

you see that - Why didn't Maeving? Emperors new clothes

[@mikadavies660]

Another issue which is applicable here... Unlike many parents, I have taught my kids how to ride motorbikes (in our farm) but when the oldest boy reaches 17 and we are looking for his first vehicle £7,500 will buy a really nice Renault Zoe! There is nothing about this overpriced electric bicycle that makes it the first choice.

[@Yanquetino]

When I had a motorcyle back in the '60s and '70s, I learned that you have to constantly be paranoid of idiot drivers. As much as I appreciate the move from engines to electric motors, I still wouldn't drive one: just too dangerous. Heck, it's even damn scary riding my e-bike nowadays, with the careless fools behind the wheel on our roads.

[@Mr.N0.0ne]

Yes, the road is filled with idiot car drivers, as well as idiot motorcycle drivers.

[@jakeartis955]

I considered a Maeving but when looking at the maintenance requirements I'd be sending it into service every other month. It's a shame cause it has quite a few positive points that most EV makers are avoiding.

[@bmwloco]

This nails small displacement bikes from the 60's and early 70's. I was weened on 'em. This would be a great first bike for anyone, or good for an around town bombing.

[@CptAngelKGaming]

Yeah if you're rich and you don't mind throwing away thousands for a glorified moped.

[@bmwloco]

@@CptAngelKGaming It's called working for it. I started at 15. Bought my first bike at 19 thanks. With MY money.

[@olio_benzina]

Won't say what I think about the bike, but I will say that it suits you perfectly.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

BOOM!!!!!! 🤣😆🤣😆

[@roguebullet4220]

A nice review of what I feel is a mediocre bike at best. They have tried to make it look like a gas bike, with the ridiculous "fuel tank". Would have been much better if, like you said, had a bigger seat & storage underneath it. It looks like it would handle like a plate of jelly at it's top end. Unfortunately, yet another bike that highlights the tech ain't ready for bikes yet. Overpriced & underwhelming. You did a good job of trying to sell it non-bikers though 👏

[@Grahamvfr]

Even as a big EV fan, all i see there is the scene from dumb and dumber as they come around the bend into Aspen .

[@swecreations]

The VMoto Stash has a 30% larger battery, traction control, Bosch ABS, TPMS, keyless and GPS tracking, is more practical (it fits a full-face helmet in the storage tank instead of just 10 liters), more power, has a 1700W charger instead of 1200W, plus is £1000 cheaper.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

Yep, Maeving are asking too much for too little.

[@hkad6252]

No regenerative braking. Huge miss.

[@melonmelon2848]

The Imogen vs Jack test is actually fun and useful, hope to get more of these comparisons in future episodes!

[@tigdurrant8939]

I completely agree, having ridden for 35 years, including trials/enduro and almost every type of road bike from singles, twins, triples and rotaries I purchased an RM1. It’s such fun to ride without ridiculous amounts of power that you can’t use. It’s simple and lightweight meaning you can thrash it everywhere having more fun at 50 than 150. Try one ❤

[@CosmicSeeker69]

So's my Honda 125, but it's £2785 new!

[@rchatte100]

Too much money & too little range. I'll stick with my little petrol moped.

[@pbasswil]

On further thought, it's just that the central region has a _completely different_ design style than the front & back. (Late 20th century canister vacuum cleaner...)

[@messiermitchell4901]

The retro style looks awesome! Though I do prefer the BRG colour of the RM1 The premium price will be off-putting for most though, definitely one for the more wealthy

[@trevorberridge6079]

£7,500 is equivalent to £310 in 1965 when the ICE versions of these bikes were being made. This is how pricing always goes on new products. Also a £310 1965 AJS Model 18 could fetch over £3,000 today. So these bikes regarded as expensive when new can be something of an investment.

[@sergentcolon1]

@@trevorberridge6079 but you can buy a 125 scooter for £1500 new now, it doubt these bikes will become particularly collectible, as changes in battery technology in future will render them obsolete.

[@JeanLoupRSmith]

Honestly, looking at the price of other e-motorbikes out there, given the range and top speed and the fact it's designed and built locally, I don't think it's a bad price at all. You see bikes priced at £4k or £5k that only go to 30mph if that. I think Jack's right in that it's hitting a sweet spot between not having to worry about taking side roads if your commute typically go through a double carriage-way and having enough range to get to your destination and not having a massive cross-country cruiser that'll take you in all 4 corners of Europe. I've never driven a motorcycle before and sadly I wouldn't have room to keep one safely locked up but this makes me very tempted. I also like their fairly wide range of colours at no extra cost (unlike most car manufacturers)

[@tonyblack1964]

"...and looking cool". Oh dear. Who's going to tell him?

[@dchurch3399]

If you love this you don’t want a motorcycle, you want a moped. This does not replace motorcycles. Someday EV bikes might come close but not yet.

[@HedgeCCL]

".....could SAVE motorcycling". Hmmmm. Click bait/ hyperbole - call it what you want. That is some statement & I'm not convinced your generalist "dinosaur" attachment to motorbikes is exactly on the money, either. And then it's suggested we need more of these on the road to replace cars?? This is not well thought through journalism. Shame, cos I've watched this dude before & was impressed. This review, though....not so much.

[@ArcopXCV]

Beautiful bike, a little too expensive but I can understand it. One important thing missed in the video: the motor inside the wheel means no chain maintenance. Big pro for me

[@MrBlackbrabus1]

Any chance of a review of the 2 new Can Am EV bikes

[@ratbert1]

Fortnine have just done that.

[@MrBlackbrabus1]

@@ratbert1 yep spotted that yesterday....but everyone wants a big Jack review

[@peterscott2662]

@@MrBlackbrabus1 Fortnine is king of motorcycle reviews.

[@GrahamsGamingVlog]

Ryan Fortnine has done a review on the best motorcycle KZbin channel.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

Ryan Fortnine is a motorcyclist since childhood and a reviewer of motorcycles since forever. His reviews are probably the best on the web. If you want a review of the Can-Ams, go there.

[@ChadWilson]

Ya know, if I could effectively charge this bike at home using my 110v outlet overnight, I could have a lot of fun on a bike like getting to and from the firehouse.

[@DanielEarlester]

My ebike is 22kg and can travel 60 miles on 3/5 pedal assist. No great effort. Let's hope they can keep upgrading

[@DriverJ-N]

i dont think your ebike has anywhere close to range and speed of this bike

[@santostv.]

A lot cheaper,no mot,no insurance,no "Road tax",no licence ect ,who cares if its slower 😂

[@CosmicSeeker69]

@@DriverJ-N if you understood lithium batteries your realise the real world range of the S is 48 miles - without hills AND WITHOUT COLD WEATHER

[@DriverJ-N]

@@CosmicSeeker69 and what’s the range of your 22kg ebike in those conditions?

[@HCMCDrives]

I have a fairly big electric scooter (Datbike Quantum, almost 3 times the range as this, at 30% of the cost). Great range, but technically it's been a bit back and forth. This Maeving... I really want to like the look... But it' kinda looks like two bikes stuck together. This price point is gonna struggle to attack an audience... Too expensive for young people, to gimmicky for older/ more seasoned riders.

[@simoncoe7781]

£7500 ouch

[@amaljoe367]

Young people won't have this much money

[@dr0dr0cooper]

I look forward to EV bikes that look like something entirely new. with no tank

[@evmotorsports]

A used zero , much more useable , 2 people , longer range, higher top end for freeways.

[@grahamcastle8189]

£7.5k 😂. Not the electric Honda C50 of the future then. I'd rather have a Citreon Ami at least you wouldn't get wet.

[@SpottedCreeper]

You can't filter through traffic in an Ami though. We had a demo one at our work for a month. I took it around town a couple of times. It's teeny tiny, easy to park, can carry a couple of bags of shopping, and pretty convenient if it rains. But you still get stuck in traffic, and it doesn't have air con (or even proper wind down windows) so it gets super hot in there during summer. But I agree with you on price of the Maeving - £7.5k is steep - not gonna attract many young new riders :(

[@AJames-jr8kw]

@grahamcastle8189 Don't count on it. When they came out French owners complained about the water inside. After seeing how they are built I lost interest. Maybe they fixed that...but I doubt it.

[@akwamarsunzal]

Did he just say "chuckability"? Oh please! 🤣

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

I was one of the first 1,000 owners of a Sondors Metacycle. They made many, many missteps from announcement through launch. Missteps and mistakes that resulted in bankrupting the company, with many, many disgruntled owners and reservation holders who may never see their money again. One of the biggest disappointments of the Metacycle was the never delivered removable battery. So it's wonderful to see that in the RM1S. Another disappointment was claimed range vs. real world experience. Hopefully the RM1S holds true to their stated range. I now own a used Zero SR (14.4 kWh). Yes, it's heavier than the Metacycle, but the range, performance and service/support network is well worth it. For

[@Sekir80]

Please, tell me more about your experiences about the Sondors bike, battery capacity and range.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@Sekir80 I had zero issues with the Metacycle. However, my use case really requires storage that the bike didn't have. As a result of that single issue, I sold the Metacycle and replaced it with a used Zero SR with side bags and a top box.

[@Sekir80]

@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt Oh, I'd like to know about the battery and range figures, you mentioned it wasn't as advertised.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@Sekir80 As a 6', 215 lb. male, I achieved ~50 miles range in mixed driving.

[@Sekir80]

@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt Thanks for the info! I look forward to own my own thing soon.

[@deanojohnson6862]

I must admit to liking the look of the Maeving and I have to thank the channel for doing a road-test on it. What I'm not happy about is Jack riding about with a coat undone and trainers on. I find that massively irresponsible. Imogen had proper bike gear on. Just because it's electric and about the same power as a 125, doesn't mean you shouldn't wear correct clothing. It's a great looking machine, you run a great and informative channel, but you definitely dropped the ball on this on. Jack might as well have been wearing t shirt, shorts and flip flops for all the protection he had on.

[@bentp4891]

You'd think the fact it is a UK company they would have chosen a name that didn't sound Chinese.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

As the company explains the word _‘Maeving’ is derived from the English word 'maven'. It means, "one who is an expert or very experienced"._ The way the company name is spelt is an Anglofied take on the European origin word *_Meyvn._*

[@trevorberridge6079]

New London Taxis are made by the London Electric Vehicle Company which is a Chinese owned company. Who cares?

[@fennsk]

That 10 liter storage isn't wide enough for a laptop, right? Next version should find a better purpose-built way to accommodate storage for commuters. Beyond that, it looks great, and I hope more companies target commuters in the design of their bikes.

[@kwaailight]

Sorry, but really do not like how it looks. The profile is out of balance & the seat colour clashes with the rest of the bike. It may be well-built. Great. 'The bike solution'? Don't think so. Am a big electric bike fan, but not of this, sorry.

[@AmandaProsser]

Yeah, perfect for the commute. But.... where do I carry my sandwiches and thermos flask?

[@michaelganshirt8795]

It's annoying how pricy all EV motorcycles seem to be.

[@nautilus7098]

EVs in general sadly

[@JamesBerlo]

The only thing its missing that would make me want it is a Two Cylinder / Two Stroke Gasoline Engine.

[@Neil2022]

Hahahah😂a. That isn’t NOT going to attract youngsters and the more mature rider will be laughing their leathers off!

[@mattrowe6394]

My 500cc scrambler is 150kg, and not many if any 125's will go 70mph most would struggle to get to 50mph (which is frustrating on 60mph roads/overtaking). How heavy would it be to move with the battery removed for charging... Food for thought! Charge on 😎

[@DiegoMarquesBrazil]

Have you ever heard about Scooters? 😆

[@DavidNewmanDr]

Didn't they review the BMW electric scooter?

[@_Makanko_]

It's a nice boutique bike. What bike makes sense? Looking at sales numbers, we need some models to come out that actually sell to save the idea of EV motorcycles in general I think. It's just not sensible for a 125 equivalent bike to be priced so high. As mentioned; no pillion, can you even mount a box or something. This seems like it's made for fair-weather riders/commuters. Good for them but unlikely to "save" motorcycling. I'm glad this exists for those that want it.

[@dexradio]

You may have a motorcycle licence, but you are not a motorcyclist! That thing is ugly as hell and a silly price. And as you seem to infer, more comparable to an electric bicycle than to a motorcycle. Of course the problem in the UK for such things, and why scooters have not caught on for commuters, is the crap British weather, unlike in Italy or France for example. All the other EV bike companies are struggling and I don't see anything unique about this one. I just don't get the hype for this company. By the way, please get some proper gear.

[@bluegtturbo]

Totally agree. In rainy Ireland I'm lucky if I get 20 outings without rain per year on my supercub

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

Its not ugly! And id say its competiting with 125s. Its not doing too well in my opinion, mainly because its twice the price. But remember, 125s are ALL going to be electric by 2030, 5 years before bigger bikes. By law. In that context, with its competition outlawed, looks a lot better. Of course, if this is what you can get on a CBT i think motorcycling might die

[@PierreDybman]

This bike has a MAJOR issue for youngsters, and most people: it has a single seat. There is zero possibility I would buy such a bike, if I can't take my wife with me. And one of the perks of a bike is to take your friend with you. Whatever the reason or excuse they give, it's dead for me. And most of the targeted demographic

[@gearjammer3688]

Two words. Royal Enfield. Cheap, super efficient (100mpg for the 350). 200 mile range. Better seat too.

[@nautilus7098]

But it’s a petrol bike isn’t it ?

[@bobgodytube]

100mpg is good for a petrol bike but these do well over 500mpg. No contest for commuter's.

[@gearjammer3688]

It is indeed. You can get a new one for 3k. so a 4.5k saving. That buys a lot of fuel. probably better resale values too in the long run. Still it's good to see some imagimation in the bike world.

[@cpcnw]

Additional safety tips: Get decent boots. A pair of trainers won't protect your ankles in a crash. Get a decent jacket with back / should / elbow protection built into it. And at least biker jeans with protective padding. Do all of this before stepping foot (putting 2 wheels) on UK roads.

[@DirkGently-km3hn]

I wouldn't get another bike without a kevlar suit... Protection gear is so cheap compared to er visit

[@MrMbeaden]

This guy has no idea what he’s talking about I’m all for electric vehicles but the reality at the moment is you can currently purchase lots of motorbikes that are capable motorway speeds and do over 75mpg and have a tank range over 250miles and cost a lot less than £5k if your talking about urban commuting there’s already scooters that do over 120mpg. electric bikes are all to expensive have to short of a range until the energy density of the batteries doubles they are a complete waste of time

[@CosmicSeeker69]

Nailed it

[@liamharvey9205]

*grabs clutch lever and gets ejected*

[@PorthLlwyd]

Get some proper Motorbike gear. Riding around in trainers is foolish.

[@giulianomarco]

I was just thinking that. Good point.

[@leostockley415]

Love these bikes. I’m not a biker but would consider it based on the look of this!

[@flitsies]

Hold on you could say the same for cars but instead of making them slower they have made them faster, so why would it be different for bikes. The reason people are not buying electric motorcycles are many fold but here are just a few, cost, and range the only bikes that can be afforded tend to be slow with crappy range. Build motorcycles that mirror cars in performance and drop the price of motorcycle prices and they might sell.

[@Mr.N0.0ne]

Proofreading never hurts.

[@flitsies]

@@Mr.N0.0ne Yes you are right but I had very limited time to write this. I will go fix the spellings now.

[@camneilsen8234]

I've seen a start up electric bike company been drumming up investors for years and still not made one

[@Souchirouu]

The biggest reason I love electric vehicles is the sound.. or the lack of it. Motorcycles and similar are some of the worst noise polluters. The sooner those things are electric the better life will be for everyone humans and other animals alike.

[@ThisRandomUsername]

Regen on an electric bike isn't about the extra range, it's about limiting brake wear.

[@sun-man]

Battery chemistry? Charge time? Range? Another lazy review

[@paulmurphy7670]

So you can’t charge it on the go??? That would be a game changer if that was included