This Soviet Microprocessor lab looks like a nuclear briefcase!

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@ReverendJasper
@ReverendJasper Жыл бұрын
I can imagine that the notes were left inside to assist with the repairs. The repair service was probably shared amongst some of the same workers who did the assembly. The quota for units shipped gets made, and the metrics for repairs looks good as the "damaged in shipping" units get diagnosed incredibly quickly...
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Close to truth. And not to disrupt the Good Statistics.
@MrSzybciutki
@MrSzybciutki Жыл бұрын
Leaving repair logs in electronics was a standard practice everywhere back in the day, not just in the USSR. I often find them in old equipment. You were supposed to write them all on one piece of paper that you could easily find inside. You had to write the date of repair/maintenance, who did the job, contact info, what was the fault, diagnosis and what repairs you made. Quite often, but not always, you had schematics inside too. Back then a device was supposed to serve you for decades, and it was assumed it would be normal it would go through cyclic repairs, so it made sense. Nowadays most electronics are one time use devices to which you don't even have service access to, which you are supposed to replace in a few years. But it's not like it was limited just to electronics. The practice survived on for instance with cars till this day after all. You surely do keep a log of every repair/maintenance of you car, do you?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
There is one difference: it is not a repair log, it is an obscure notice on a glitch. The same we found, e.g. in DVK-3 computer we have a review of here, and by papers that machine was 100% functional, despite it had a dead graphic card.
@MrSzybciutki
@MrSzybciutki Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily I see your point, that definitely makes it more interesting
@dkraft
@dkraft Жыл бұрын
fascinating cultural difference to just shipping a crap broken device, like CCP.. Sort of a true desire to pass on success, or caring for the next guy in the "broken machine" of communism. @@ChernobylFamily
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Жыл бұрын
2:30 there it is, the Garden of Eden Creation Kit... LOL Thing of beauty, joy for ever.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
...)))
@yorgle
@yorgle Жыл бұрын
I love the look of the older vintage red LEDs... That ruby red color, and the hot spot in the frosting... so nice.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Those LEDs are notably darker, and the color is somehow very vibrant, I love them too.
@evantaur
@evantaur 5 ай бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily I wish modern equipment used them too instead of those super-bright blue LEDs that doubles as bat signal
@MrocznyTechnik
@MrocznyTechnik Жыл бұрын
Let's hope there's a LOT such hand-written cards in Russian nuclear warheads :p
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I believe, there are a lot ;)
@minombredepila1580
@minombredepila1580 Жыл бұрын
Astounding machine. Thanks for sharing. It reminds me of the hp 5036A Microprocessor Lab, with its differences. Your material deserves a museum. Hope that you could found one at the end 🙂
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Sure - we have many options for this, but first would be cool to find those cards.
@AppliedCryogenics
@AppliedCryogenics Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful machine. Thanks to you (and your generous viewer!) for showing it to us!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
:)
@youreale
@youreale Жыл бұрын
I love history, software and hardware and your content is just amazing! can't wait for the next episode. Thank you guys and keep going!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Check our previous episodes as well for now :)
@henrypile2385
@henrypile2385 Жыл бұрын
The wire wrap technology was widely used in the 70‘s up to the 90‘s for computer prototyping, giving you a fast way of connecting pins together w/o the need to etch and manufacture a pcb. Pre-drilled PCBs, IC and other sockets were available with the necessary long pins to wrap the wire around. The wire wrap „pistol“ was driven manually by pressing the handle to rotate the shaft, and some models could even strip and cut the excess wire during the wrapping process, resulting in an enhanced working speed.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Manual...? Interesting, we had electric mostly. We recently got one for our ES1060 restoration project, it is for AC 36V so still i need to get a proper PSU but we gonna use it:)
@TheRailroad99
@TheRailroad99 Жыл бұрын
In the measurement & test industry it is still used pretty often to connect test needles / pogo pins to the tester electronics
@tychosis
@tychosis Жыл бұрын
@@TheRailroad99 I work on submarine sonar, and some of the legacy equipment still has the original wire-wrapped backplanes. Thankfully they're pretty rugged and well-shielded, because if any of them were damaged I know that *I* am not qualified to fix it, no way... it would be a nightmare.
@thiagozanolomainente76
@thiagozanolomainente76 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel and I love this accent. Keep going! Greetings form Brazil.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Doing my best having my breathing problems)))))))) thank you! Greetings from Ukraine!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Attic-Toy-Design
@Attic-Toy-Design Жыл бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous equipment!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Glad that you liked. Would you like to have a continuation? I am thinking to search for some expansion cards!
@Attic-Toy-Design
@Attic-Toy-Design Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily carry on my noble!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
@@Attic-Toy-Design thank you)))
@postoronny
@postoronny Жыл бұрын
​@@ChernobylFamily, если правильно помню, там были простые макетки, даже без буферов. Я, работая на ВЭФе, пользовался этим комплектом (версией в чемодане)
@thedungeondelver
@thedungeondelver Жыл бұрын
So would this be a...USSRduino? :D
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Bhahahhaaaa I spilled my drink because I am laughing. Really.
@Mr1X
@Mr1X Жыл бұрын
more like the KIM1
@elisa_5445
@elisa_5445 Жыл бұрын
My take on why they leave these notes explaining what problems the machine have and sold it as having passed all tests is that they had a production goal or received some bonus if there was a low number of faulty units
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Very close to truth. There was a massive trouble of a percentage of faulty products, and factories tried to hide that as much as possible by keeping it "in house".
@serricus
@serricus Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily follow-up work. soviet workers were smart. don't just look busy, stay busy. report low number of faulty products but leave notes about failures, thus creating a very quick repair time for service and all the tinkerers, who *just gutted devices and then they worked* :D
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny Жыл бұрын
I worked with it (or very similar) at university. We learned how to programm it with Assembler. It was funny and interesting.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@michalp.1484
@michalp.1484 Жыл бұрын
There was a similar machine at one of Poland's techinical universities in '90s. Only much bigger, built in rack cabinet, with displays for each register, etc. I learned the 8080 assembler on it and understood the operation of that processor. Thanks to it, I also understood the assembler of the x86 family and the operation of microprocessor hardware in general.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@AttilaSVK
@AttilaSVK Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Tesla PMI80 and the TEMS 80-03, which also came in a suitcase. Both were built around the MHB8080A CPU, Tesla's clone of the Intel 8080. Engineers liked the CPU (or just had to use it because it was available), so many systems were available based on the 8080: the Tesla PMD85 series (and its clones Didaktik Alfa, Didaktik Beta, and Maťo - the compatibility of the clones wasn't 100% though), SMEP PP01 by ZVT Banska Bystrica, IQ151 by ZPA Novy Bor, etc.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing! Need to check on those :)
@HyroDaily
@HyroDaily Жыл бұрын
Man, you guys get some really cool stuff.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
More to come ;)
@zAlaska
@zAlaska Жыл бұрын
The notes in the device are the historical technical notes to assist technicians in the history of the device when it comes back in for repair. Rather than a card in a drawer, the notes are kept with the device. It makes a follow-up on repairs easier for the next technician, understanding what has happened before.
@john-doe-r
@john-doe-r Жыл бұрын
There was another version of this kit "УМПК-80" (UMPK-80), which had a beeper and stored program with music from cartoon in ROM.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Yes, heard about it though never had a chance to have in the hands. Thank you for sharing!
@bobwatson957
@bobwatson957 Жыл бұрын
Evening Alex. That is quite an attractive unit, pretty decent to learn a bit of assembly. If not far off what one of my mates to learnt on. He was several years older than me and got something simliar to this. I learned on a bbc and later on dec vax. It looks as though its been repaired. Its great its been saved from the shelf.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@GeorgeTavernKeeper
@GeorgeTavernKeeper Жыл бұрын
We worked these devices in our Microprocessors course ca. 2005 It was fun, except for the times when power was lost and we had to re-enter program again.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman Жыл бұрын
Very cool! I have a couple Fox MT-80Z trainers, a MicroProfessor MPF-1 Plus, and a Lab-Volt 6502 trainer. As well as some of the modern ones. But yours is one of the coolest ones out there. :)
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I heard about MicroProfesosr but never had a chance to see one. Thank you!
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect Жыл бұрын
It's funny. I live in "the west" and remember the days when the microprofessor was available... but I never got to see one in real life either.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
@@edgeeffect well, we always use "west" with a bit of irony, as we are not super eastern... at least for last years xD
@8BitNaptime
@8BitNaptime Жыл бұрын
Interesting note, the pitch of the pins is 2.5mm, not 2.54mm, so they are slightly different from Western DIPs.
@alexhajnal107
@alexhajnal107 Жыл бұрын
The Eastern Block did make a very small quantity of 2.54 mm pitch DIP parts for the non-COMECON export market.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
We used the metric pitch.
@randacnam7321
@randacnam7321 Жыл бұрын
@@alexhajnal107 And ex Soviet fabs kept doing so after the USSR fell. We had some 100mil/2.54mm pin pitch 74xx TTL chips in the electronics lab when I was in college (late 2000s) that were made in Belarus in 1994.
@alexandermcalpine
@alexandermcalpine Жыл бұрын
Neat! Great post.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@stephanbrenner3317
@stephanbrenner3317 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I was very suprised that USSR did the same compared to the former GDR. Here were the "Poly-880" and "LC-80" computers which are very comparable. But the russian version are built like a tank, most likely it was not important what production costs were.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
There was at least one more lab like this, called Microlab K580IK80 with the same processor (with older name) but it was made in Russia and has way less elegant design.
@stephanbrenner3317
@stephanbrenner3317 Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily thanks for this information. Personally I started my hobby with a self designed Z80 system. A really huge effort to get something working. But learned a lot from this. I'm looking forward to your "Skala" video announced. It is somehow sad that so little can be found on the internet about Skala, DUGA and so on. Especially for DUGA I'm not sure whether it was capable to do what it was designed for because of the needed compute power which I cannot see being available at this time.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Anout Duga we have nearly full information on its computers. We are planning to make a big documentary, but given we are limited by the current situation in Ukraine, it goes slowly. But this year it will go out.
@stephanbrenner3317
@stephanbrenner3317 Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily oh this is really great to hear. I feel very sorry for the situation you are in. And suprised that you even are interested in these technical topics. Please stay healthy and all the best to.all of you
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Any support means much now. What is so surprising?) I was a programmer for many years, and plus, as both me and my wife work in the Chornobyl Zone, well, it is all about tech in strange circumstances. This very device has nothing to do with the place, but it was way too cool not to talk about it :)
@srenhaandbk7904
@srenhaandbk7904 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video and effort! And such a cool device! Would be really cool to play around with for someone like me, as I am learning assembly code :)
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it! Check our previous episodes, there is muuuuuch interesting :)
@srenhaandbk7904
@srenhaandbk7904 Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily I can assure you I have watched all of your videos, some of them many times. I love your channel!! I am so excited for Skalar video!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@razpootis5802
@razpootis5802 Жыл бұрын
2:30 And now I want one. That's badass.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Our friend has one for sale, if you are interested - contact us.
@TheFanOrTheMask
@TheFanOrTheMask Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see modern tech to last as long as this tech, great vid
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I still have my first "modern" computer from 2001 with Cel733 up and running, to be honest :)
@KrotowX
@KrotowX Жыл бұрын
I remember this. During school practice poked this briefcase a bit :)
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@postoronny
@postoronny Жыл бұрын
I've worked with such a megadevice. Right there - on the VEF :)
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@antikarch
@antikarch Жыл бұрын
Bggg! I studied at USURT from 2000 to 2006. There i was writing for 3 years lot of course works for students (for money) using exactly this device.
@ZiggyTheHamster
@ZiggyTheHamster Жыл бұрын
In addition to the other comments around this allowing the factory to meet its defect quota, it also reduces the demand on the factory - some number of customers aren't going to notice the defects (think like dead pixels on LCDs), and with things being so scarce, it would usually be better to ship the slightly broken device than not to ship one at all. The Soviets were, perhaps by necessity or perhaps by conviction, very good about not letting things go to waste. Just don't do this on military-spec units. Also, it would usually be someone else's fault it's broken ("damaged in shipping" but leaders would consider that to be more tolerable than marginal silicon), happily repaired, and everybody looks great on paper.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it all was about the fulfilling the plan. The most important, things have to be good on paper.
@AjinkyaMahajan
@AjinkyaMahajan Жыл бұрын
Wow, it was amazing kit !!! you can make expansion cards using proto PCB and shift registers or perhaps a Peripharial Interface Adapter IC or you can connect UART with actual arduino.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@frostwise87
@frostwise87 Жыл бұрын
Greetings from the UK. I’m new to your channel. Such great work your doing! I love it. Thanks so much 🎉
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Get ready for more, and don't forget to check other episodes..)
@882952
@882952 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a microprocessor trainer I learned on in school. I shouldn't say "learned" on, because I never understood what I was entering or seeing as output. You just typed in everything in hexadecimal, and then saw whatever output on a small little LED display, just like this unit. I hated it. Everyone in my class that used this basically just entered in the programs as presented in the book, verified the output was what the book said it should be, and checked off the lessons until we could move on to the real prize - our Heatkit H8, where we would all learn BASIC and write little games for ourselves. Well, at least in between constant bouts of component-level troubleshooting and desoldering/soldering RAM chips in the thing. Fun times.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@derekchristenson5711
@derekchristenson5711 Жыл бұрын
A nice 8080 trainer, with an impressively overbuilt case! It looks like it took design cues from the space program.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
You know, that is well-noted!
@karthickjayaraman2090
@karthickjayaraman2090 Жыл бұрын
Waiting for more interesting videos like this. So subbed. 👍
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@UpLateGeek
@UpLateGeek Жыл бұрын
What an amazing coincidence, I just bought a clone of this chip's successor, the μPD70108, aka the NEC V20, which is a clone of the Intel 8088. I was looking for a completely different chip on eBay and happened to check what other items they had for sale, and it turned out they had a lot of interesting chips for sale, so I went on a bit of a shopping spree! Anyway, that was a very interesting video on a very interesting computer. In western countries you could definitely buy computer kits that were a lot like this during the mid-late 70s. And it wasn't just for businesses, there were advertisements in magazines and anyone could just mail order them. The very first edition of Byte magazine had an ad for one on basically the second page.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you for sharing!
@MartenElectric
@MartenElectric Жыл бұрын
Would that have a full Intel 8080 instruction set? I'm just wondering if you could use assembler and put something together?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
The chip inside is a full clone of i8080a, different only in the way how the crystal is wired to pins of the case. There was an enhanced version of 8080 made by Ukrainian engineers based on it, called 580VM1, which is slighly better.
@TheOpticalFreak
@TheOpticalFreak Жыл бұрын
@7:27 you just summed up the whole Soviet union in one sentence: everything is really simple, but pretty effective! 😉 And eventually in the end it was obsolete! 😅👍
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Effectiveness is a pretty relative value, you know.
@TheOpticalFreak
@TheOpticalFreak Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily yes 😅😬
@msylvain59
@msylvain59 Жыл бұрын
Cool how it does just look like a freaking nuclear doomsday fire consent control suitcase 💀
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Finally someone got what I wanted to say :)))
@godfreypoon5148
@godfreypoon5148 Жыл бұрын
Oh jeez, I still have most of the 8080 instruction set burned into my brain. Give it some 0x76 from me.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Done! :)
@godfreypoon5148
@godfreypoon5148 Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamilyThank you! HLTA lamp works? 😄
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Yes:)
@extylerm
@extylerm Жыл бұрын
Cool machine, worth the restoration effort.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nojbik
@nojbik Жыл бұрын
You know Alex, nothing has really changed since then. The production quota has to be fullfiled and when the suppliers , employees and technology is unreliable then the material is shipped out anyway. Nevertheless, nice video again. Keep them running. 👍
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@0xbenedikt
@0xbenedikt 10 ай бұрын
Today, especially with thin margins on products and many choices for the same product, you don't want to have to unnecessarily deal with the RMA, scrapping the product (as repair is mostly dead unfortunately), the probable loss of a customer and the tainted company image by shipping non-functional garbage. Not saying that it doesn't still happen, but I think the conditions and economy that caused the behavior in the video have changed.
@Plarndude
@Plarndude Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Soviet Plarn would be different. :p
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
;)
@vadnegru
@vadnegru 11 ай бұрын
We had pretty different device in university, obliviously later model but with half the memory. Named "Микролаб КР580ИК80" that briefcase will teach you how to suffer. Some of them are malfunctioning and you can tell it easily because they fail to execute test program with flashing lights and funky music. Some of them had faulty math so results were incontinent with the rest of the group. One good thing they had are cheat sheet inside the case, easily visible while operating. Its keyboard are also the best one i ever used.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing! "Will teach how to suffer" is a good definition...)
@beardymcbeardface69
@beardymcbeardface69 Жыл бұрын
It's been some decades since I saw wirewrap connections.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
On our channel you can find many such things.
@danielschiavo5371
@danielschiavo5371 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice if you write down the program with commentaries on a single screen shot, just to have the hole idea clear. Thanks for sharing! Greetings from Buenos Aires 🙂
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Will write here in the (our) evening :)
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp Жыл бұрын
8:31 typical of self tapping screws, I guess
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Probably. Also it might be because the heavy PSU is actually hangs upside down on them with all its weight.
@davidsmith9063
@davidsmith9063 Жыл бұрын
absolutely beautiful machine! 😍 Those little rolled up surprises are incredible also 😅, but it sure is an amazingly low failure rate isnt it?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I'd say I was lucky with this very particlar case, it could go worse.
@eugenesorokin6602
@eugenesorokin6602 Жыл бұрын
Yea... we have had this and very similar to this but for x86 ::) it's much older than arduino and to be more presice it was for i80xx. You can find freshly manufactured trainig kits of this kind. Yes and we compiled programs manually during labworks
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing..! Well, about Arduino it was an irony ;)
@danbrit9848
@danbrit9848 Жыл бұрын
I want blinking process leds on my modern PC like the old sci Fi movies a panel of blinking lights
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I believe, it is pretty easy to make if you create a board that will make a communication with the bus. You'd need to slow the things much, as mosern buses are very fast, but to output some states - why not? I'm thinking to do such a panel for my wife's computer as she is very much sharing your point ;)
@danbrit9848
@danbrit9848 Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily yall are amazing ...and ya it has an awsomness to it ,,,seeing a pc do its work
@mrdrbernd
@mrdrbernd Жыл бұрын
thanks for preserving eastern tech for spoilt western guys like me. you are awesome!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for coming! Check our previous episodes...)
@ВячеславНесынов
@ВячеславНесынов Жыл бұрын
Предназначено это устройство для обучения студентов основам программирования и принципов работы компьютеров. Оно и сейчас актуально для обучения.
@djtomoy
@djtomoy Жыл бұрын
Those little notes are so funny
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Yes :)
@СергейЛегуша-л9о
@СергейЛегуша-л9о Жыл бұрын
Крута залізяка !!! А ще круче бамажки в середині 😂
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
))))
@accuphase3000
@accuphase3000 Жыл бұрын
There was this 5 year plan how much units have to go out and if they would waist time on repairing, then the plan wasn't get filled and they didn't care too much, because nobody couldn't buy that kind of stuf then, so it didn't matter if it worked or not. It was important, that the thing went out on a date and thats it.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@DrSid42
@DrSid42 Жыл бұрын
Oh shit, when you started entering the program I realized I mostly understood it .. :-D
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@ingussilins6330
@ingussilins6330 Жыл бұрын
VEF - Valsts Elektrotehniskā Fabrika ( made in Latvia ) :D
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Exactly:)
@EgyptianWestbound
@EgyptianWestbound Жыл бұрын
Imagine how many of these it would take to make a petabyte!
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Jeez...
@TerroMin
@TerroMin Жыл бұрын
Хорошо что у меня 1995-м появился Спектрум, а не этот монстр)) Кажется что решение очень спорное, ассемблер достаточно прост в понимании и изучении)
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
"Іграшки, прибиті до підлоги" (с) :)
@shakaliha8386
@shakaliha8386 Жыл бұрын
such a cool IDE, even with debugger
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Look good for basic leaning!
@AmauryJacquot
@AmauryJacquot Жыл бұрын
and it still works after 35 years
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
It is a good question though how much it was actually used.
@AmauryJacquot
@AmauryJacquot Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily the arduino's processor flash program memory is good for about 10 or so years. after that... there is no warranty it will still work
@Longlius
@Longlius Жыл бұрын
Very considerate of the computer factory comrades to ship out a computer that has failed QC testing just so comrades in service center can have work to do ;)
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
...or to let them have a headache:)
@MrSiquell
@MrSiquell Жыл бұрын
I worked on that while studying)
@UElectronix
@UElectronix Жыл бұрын
Many years ago I wrote some code for this device.
@MarkMcCluney
@MarkMcCluney Жыл бұрын
Another fascinating and enjoyable vid, thank you Alex. I wonder if there might be a financial reason for the little notes? Could it be that engineers were paid extra for maintenance/repair jobs if machines were returned? Follow the money, that's what they say! Cheers mate and thanks again. (And I hope Mrs. Alex is very well.)
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Knowing Soviet society, where everyone will receive an equal payment regardless of efforts (due to planned economy) that looks more as attempt to push a jeadache to other's head and not to disrupt a good production statistics. She is ok and sends greetings...) she normally helps me to record all that :)
@romanm.4763
@romanm.4763 Жыл бұрын
I dreamt about this device when I was a pupil
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I was 11 when I saw an ad for this set in old Soviet '89 "Young Technician" journal for teenagers. It explained how awesome this device is and then in the very bottom was bold text "THE DEVICE CAN BE SOLD ONLY TO ORGANIZATIONS". At that time, I for the first time felt that something in that country was very wrong.
@deltacx1059
@deltacx1059 Жыл бұрын
In Soviet Russia Arduino program you.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
;) thanks god it is from Latvia ;)
@agranero6
@agranero6 Жыл бұрын
It is incredibly well mounted, no shortcuts or cost cutting measures (like cheap plastic everything for instance like in the west) much more than I expected from an 80's Soviet era computer. All wire wrapped like a telephone central, all main chips in sockets, etc. And it is sturdy too, this I expected from a Soviet era computer: made to endure and for easy maintenance. Are those transistors in sockets? Or it is a way to protect them?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That is a way to protect them.
@inerlogic
@inerlogic Жыл бұрын
I bought some russian Z80 clones from ebay, gotta love ebay... i don't know if they ever cloned the RCA1802 but i'd love to get my hands on a few
@markhodgson2348
@markhodgson2348 Жыл бұрын
Hope you get the world one day peacefuly ❤
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@CallousCoder
@CallousCoder Жыл бұрын
8080 in 1988? We used the z80 mPF dev boards in college and they were already outdated by then - schools always lack behind. So we moved to assembly coding on PC using 8086 after the first semester. I have a video on that mPF-1 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3KUl2hnlrWbnrc
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Yes, Soviets stuck with this processor very much, it was very popular.
@CallousCoder
@CallousCoder Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily fascinating. Although i fixed a DDR chess computer, and if ram a Z80 clone. Was that also used a lot further east? Because for education here in NL until the 88-89 assembly was basically taught on Z80. In 90 we switches to 8086 since we all had 386 machines in class. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGLTmKh-q6uqZ7s
@dmitryowdienko3920
@dmitryowdienko3920 Жыл бұрын
and about old an odd - it would be interesting to interface something with modbus thru usb
@brianshoubert7803
@brianshoubert7803 Жыл бұрын
4:40 - пломбу сорвал! Нарушил аутентичность! Азазазаз
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
))))))))
@mrFiello
@mrFiello 3 ай бұрын
на справді, цей УМПК продавався в 89-90 роках у нас в Запоріжжі в вільний продаж в радіовідділі центрального універмагу. тільки нікому не був потрібен. бо ніхто не розумів , що то таке. Більшим попитом користувалися програмовані калькулятори мк-61 та мк-52, а також "інженерні" мк-51
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily 3 ай бұрын
Дякую за цікаву історію!
@kenboak
@kenboak Жыл бұрын
You said it cost 400 rubles in 1998. Approximately what would that equal at modern money?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
In 1988. 0.68 soviet rouble = 1$. ~590$.
@KanalFrump
@KanalFrump Жыл бұрын
That's a cool machine! Interesting that some of the text on the front, aside from the hexadecimal codes, uses latin letters.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
They cloned processor with all the designations :)
@technodromeVBlog
@technodromeVBlog Жыл бұрын
The boards have an industrial design, most likely this device was made from rejected boards for industrial computers, so there are notes describing the problems.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
It was a custom project, though they likely used a standard card crate, in this way you are right.
@zAlaska
@zAlaska Жыл бұрын
When I saw the suitcase I knew what you meant before you said it. Daft Punk. The Russian army choir, who passed away in an airplane crash, had a really wonderful video version suitable for MTV, it's a private concert, only KGB in attendance, the audience. Smoke and mirrors opening the scene, the group sings and the audience really gets it. Up all night to get lucky, romance a given, up all night to get lucky, information please. Sochi Olympics time frame.
@julienle2368
@julienle2368 Жыл бұрын
Nice part ! These little papers are so cool, did you put back at their initial position after cleaning ?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
One yes, the second - no idea where it was initially, it just fell out.
@slavarayko4240
@slavarayko4240 Жыл бұрын
Why this looks like military equipment ready to drop an old decomissioned space station on the enemies? Because...
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
...no matter what Soviets try to make, in result they get a Kalashnikov (c)
@reinoud6377
@reinoud6377 Жыл бұрын
I wonder why tgey didnt clone/improved the Altair
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Altair was a primitive home computer (stress on 'home'), and those were out of interest for the industry for a long time. However, in 1982 in the "Radio" mass journal for electronic enthusiasts appeared a chain of publications about DIY computer Micro-80, which was based on a soviet clone of i8080. It was somewhat similar to Altair in its minimal configuration, but in maximal it could have a display and a keyboard. A disadvantage was that it used >100 chips many of which were in deficit, so later simplier, but equally effective Radio-86RK was created (we mentioned it in the video).
@ВасилийЛысиков-о2з
@ВасилийЛысиков-о2з Жыл бұрын
ммм, чувствую запах старых плат )
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
:)
@TryonoTeknikJog
@TryonoTeknikJog Жыл бұрын
I love Soviet/Russian effort..
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
/Ukrainian/Belarusian/Latvian/Lithuanian/Esthonian/Armenian, etc., which generally was way bigger than _russian
@squelchtone
@squelchtone Жыл бұрын
In USA we still encounter telephone company phone line terminals that use wire wrapping. Here is a video of the wrap/unwrap tool I use on them kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2eQi3lsoLRnbMk
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@john-doe-r
@john-doe-r Жыл бұрын
Почему отправляли с известными неисправностями: потому что "план горит", надо выдать нужное количество, а исправлять времени не было.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@NathansHVAC
@NathansHVAC Жыл бұрын
shovel power
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
))))))
@randomunavailable
@randomunavailable Жыл бұрын
Wire wrapped backplane.
@suvorovoleg9325
@suvorovoleg9325 Жыл бұрын
Не могу пока придумать, зачем, но я хочу себе такую штуку! * _ *
@wizardnotknown
@wizardnotknown Жыл бұрын
Someone should program this thing to run a Minecraft server.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
We do not know even a little about minecraft, so hard for us to get wheyher it is a joke or not:))
@WildStray
@WildStray Жыл бұрын
I think that Soviet technology was (and now Russian, Ucrainian, Latvian, etc. is still) so underrated also in EU. Probably due to US propaganda and aggressive commercial policies of US software corporations. Your channel is so interesting for me! I'm an Italian developer / sysadmin and I think that history of IT is import and it should be know... many novel engineers (at least from Italian universities) know only 3 things: Java, Agile, Project management... they dunno how a computer works, nothing about ancient computers, microprocessors, etc. all over the world and who developed them 🤔🤐
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
There is nothing underrated. Generally, it is all stolen and reworked western stuff. There were amazing ideas and talented engineers who were generally suppressed by communist regime. Please, I do not want to hear a word about 'U.S. propaganda' here, as it has a very strong russіаn flavor, which we in Ukraine do not withstand by obvious reasons which on daily basis fall to us from the sky. Thank you. Nothing personall, judt if you'be in our shoes, you would get very quickly, where real propaganda is.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
By the way, after some thinking: you are partly right; but in an opposite way. During Soviet time, everything was arranged that way, that outside the USSR all would be perceived ar russian achievements. Even today, in the west some people by inertia call all us russian, which is actually really offending. And that is the thing, many good people were obscured by this, and still are.
@alexandervt641
@alexandervt641 Жыл бұрын
It is interesting and important to study the Soviet computer history. In the West there is very little known about that. There were a lot of gifted people with great ideas. In the end, they helped to save the nuclear balance. Ukraine was one of the centers of Soviet IT development. However, I agree with the authors: Because of the totally inefficient Soviet economic system Soviet computer technology was lagging far behind the West.
@MikeLabauve
@MikeLabauve Жыл бұрын
I came across a KZbin page. Efb412 east German computers .
@typedef_
@typedef_ Жыл бұрын
11:18 HELL 0
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Yes...) in fact, initially I wanted to output a word "BEER" as I have been recording that on Friday :)
@johnvlahidis_google
@johnvlahidis_google 11 ай бұрын
In a production line, such as the production of tractor parts, it was quite dangerous to point out, a continuous defect, in the production machine, (that reduced the quality) to your supervisor because they could accuse you of doing it, to your detriment. Even more so if you did it on a device like this, sure you are in a moment a Bраг народа direct to siberia
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily 11 ай бұрын
Not in the late 80-s, though. Here we deal just with a systematic ignorance...
@JanicekTrnecka
@JanicekTrnecka Жыл бұрын
Those LEDs - horrible power consumption and barely emitting light, I suspected them for having an incandescent filament inside :D since some of them produced a lot of heat too.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
...but, the color is beautiful, at least ;)
@JanicekTrnecka
@JanicekTrnecka Жыл бұрын
​@@ChernobylFamilyvery nostalgic vibes, they look very similar as Czechoslovakian TESLA LQ100 series leds, with partially metallic package.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I won't be surprised if those are them.
@JanicekTrnecka
@JanicekTrnecka Жыл бұрын
@@ChernobylFamily this is more than probbable in "RVHP" environment.
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
I mean, that textolite pcb material is what you'd find inside Tesla products. That said, it would be logical to have there locally produced LEDs as well
@InmuAyuayu
@InmuAyuayu Жыл бұрын
OURDUINO
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
:)
@Pythagoras1plus
@Pythagoras1plus Жыл бұрын
label and buttons are cyrillic, but the led are labelled latin. why?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Because in KR580VM80A (and in all chips produced by the USSR) signals/states were marked in the same way as in what they cloned - in Latin/English. In this particular case, it is like in the original i8080A. There is a worldwide way to mark such things, they followed it, it was easier. Besides other reasons, it allowed to use western documentation and literature easier.
@Pythagoras1plus
@Pythagoras1plus Жыл бұрын
i just realize hexadecimal numbers are latin too. i live in bulgaria for half a year now and it puzzles me every day how cyrillic is often mixed with latin. i'm not used to cyrillic that much yet but it seems, because of the ambiguity of some letters, one has to reread a word everytime you encount a certain character. i suppose that's normal in countries with cyrillic script or how do you experience this?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
Frankly, we do not have any problems with this as we are in the environment of two alphabets from the time we are born.The perception is somewhat automatic. I remember when mobile phones did not support Cyrillic, we used to write with Latin in a transliteration, and people read that fluently:)
@Nazardi0
@Nazardi0 Жыл бұрын
Ну ты показал детям в школе ардуино, смог объяснить как работает процессор?
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
About Arduino that was a joke, actually.
@newrecs4969
@newrecs4969 Жыл бұрын
call it the TSARDUINO lol
@ChernobylFamily
@ChernobylFamily Жыл бұрын
No, thank you
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