This Tank fell from TOP 500 to DIAMOND!? | Overwatch 2 Spectating

[@kawnTTV]

Thanks for the VOD review Emongg! Appreciate it!

[@TgPepper]

Decision making, like I definitely need to work on it. But holy… Everything just looks so much smoother

[@CammoNisse]

Real talk, Winton is really strong rn. But it just so happens his counters are stronger or at least on par

[@mickeyboy90]

If you have meta dps they win the trade. Its the teammates fault you are getting countered too.

[@retrorevival1]

he's strong until you get 2 picks or win one fight and the entire enemy team decided to completely swap you out of the game because they zero skill :). So yeah, Winston is strong for about 30secs.

[@gurgleblaster2282]

​@retrorevival1 my strat is just to force the team to counterswap to genji zarya zen comes then switch to Winston lmao🎉

[@ItzSpritz]

@@gurgleblaster2282Zarya? Winston is much better against Zarya than the latter

[@gurgleblaster2282]

@@ItzSpritz yes thats the point lmao I was cooking up a dream scenario for Winston where the opponents are zarya zen genji

[@izab3ru]

Can we always get Donkey Kong Country background music for Winston spectates?

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Seconded

[@F1REY]

thirdeded

[@xForeverActivex]

Fourtheded

[@KingYahtzee]

Please fifthed

[@JPIQQG]

Winton

[@JohnnySins-ii4zc]

I think it’s partly because majority of new players have a hard time learning or playing with a dive tank or just a tank without a big shield. Diamond & plat it’s mostly team confusion & blaming each other lol

[@systemincorrect8024]

it's actually same on each lower rank maybe not on bronze

[@DuvalRypr]

@@systemincorrect8024depending on the day I’m silver 2-3 Tank, gold 5-4 DPS, and silver 5 support. Trust me, the game is the exact same lmfao. Mostly team fights around cart, rarely anyone goes high ground except for maybe Widow, Ashe, or Hanzo. Alot of tanks overextend and then scream they aren’t getting heals. Hell I even catch myself pushing with my team and within 10 seconds they’re all dead and I’m in a 3 v 1 asking where the help is only to check the board and realize they’re all dead lmfao. & yes I have elim sound on but when you’re in the grease and it’s poppin sometimes you don’t hear the shit lol. Def a lot of confusion, poor team comps, lack of coordination and communication, and tons of Mercy’s.

[@HmongHeroo]

16:50 Pharah agrees, she doesn't think so either

[@iamcooltrustme5848]

I was looking for this comment

[@TamWam_]

LMAOO

[@nirj5991]

i love seeing this high level gameplay review. i'm a diamond player and it can be really confusing sometimes trying to figure out what i can do better.

[@ObeseWizard]

to be fair high diamond was top 500 just a week or two ago lol

[@Pr1ncessRaven]

Huh???

[@genjishimada4426]

Still is I think

[@alexander2019.]

Yeah lmao. I was in top 500 too randomly after some random hotfix or something. I eventually feel out deranked climbed back up and fell down against due to bad dps. It’s whatever though.

[@commentbot9510]

Never been so proud to be diamond 2 lol

[@ceeceeluv]

yea I was top 500 in plat at around 20 but couldn’t reach diamond

[@eriny2k]

23:32 not them waving hi to the roadhog 💀

[@ComptonEMT]

I've always felt when playing DVa vs hog always treat your boosters like you're playing vs hog in ilios well. If that hook is available you can't booster or you're going into the well. If the hog hooks you over and over again he's not hooking your team. You get out with your boosters and continue.

[@stephendenton7485]

i love how much more in depth you get when the person goes DVA. its very insightfull

[@pendersweetz]

I think one of the most dangerous mentalities for people who used to be a higher rank, is to mentally look down upon the people and teams that they get in their current rank. A lot of these videos with a person who used to be higher rank, seem to have the player doing their own thing and lacking in coordination with their team. I feel like the mentality of “I shouldn’t be here” can actually shoot you in the foot. Keeping in mind that the people in your current game earned their way here as much as we did and deserve consideration and respect. Leaning into the teammate aspect is never going to do you wrong and you can only hyper carry so much before you end up getting tilted when it doesn’t work

[@otacon8790]

I hear what you are saying. Would be nice if there was an off tank role that could help out some and the other tank could be a main tank. Would probably work out nice and be pretty healthy for the game. Nice gaslighting btw. It is not a tank's job to babysit the other heros. A tank's purpose is to be intimidating and take space. It is not one player's fault if another player does not know their role or how to play it.

[@KBReal870]

​@@otacon8790what does this have to do with the comment at all? What they said applies to all roles including in OW 1...

[@pendersweetz]

@@otacon8790 I apologize if any of that came off as gaslighting. I agree with you as far as some of the roles of the tank. You’ll notice Emongg using gentle language to insinuate that he should be working more with his team. Even if they don’t know their roles if you run off alone to try to do fancy things it’s usually not going to benefit the team and will more likely be a loss in the end You’ll also notice Emongg point out the good things that his teammates are doing. The people who are low rank still have moments where they are good and supporting those moments is going to benefit you. You’re going to climb out of the rank eventually but while you’re there being part of the team is beneficial I meant all of this sincerely I hope you don’t read any hostile or gaslighting intent . Have a good week.

[@otacon8790]

@@KBReal870 saying person A is responsible for the actions of person B is, by definition, gaslighting. In the context of overwatch, blaming your tank/dps despite the supports picking a mercy lucio comp. In the context of this comment, a player going indoors or out of los on ana in highground position.

[@otacon8790]

@@pendersweetz no need to apologize! It is just something to be be aware of in the future. It is not one players fault for the lack of awareness in others. That is why I disagree though because knowing which heros complement which means good teamplay comes in many forms. Heros like reaper, genji, or widow can be effective alone and even more so if the player knows their role and has game sense. A bulking rein sheilding a sniper draws attention. Flanking around when your dva makes a distraction by pushing does not. But them mismanaging cooldowns and not getting out is not the dvas fault.

[@itsOZone]

post s9 is a new game almost. Some people just arnt willing/trying to relearn the game and are trying to force their old strats that somewhat work, but sometimes dont now. Theres a lot of players that "fell" a lot since season 9, and its because they havent adapted to the changes like others have.

[@spacejesus6581]

Meanwhile there’s others who have climbed because of them, surprisingly Plat Tanks have climbed the most I think, before S9 I was getting flamed for being a bit more passive on tank and hiding for heals, so I honestly didn’t feel the S9 changes too much as tank. I also noticed that because my teammates gained .003 IQ from learning tanks NEED to play that way in S9, they spent less time yelling at me and more time actually playing the game I’m still plat, but the game has felt significantly easier, I just can’t help bad teammates. Last night I went 4/1 and my only loss had a Soldier with a negative K/D who thought he was the tank, pretty much unwinnable since their tank had fallen from high diamond to be in my match..

[@AletheSnail7]

I know this may sound like a dumb question but what are the changes? Like has the way we play the game changed?

[@spacejesus6581]

@@AletheSnail7 damage taken from damage characters reduces healing received by 20%, so tanks had to play a lot more careful to not explode, and now there’s an armor rework as well as 25% headshot immunity to all tanks

[@W4RM4T]

Yeah, those Porsche sounds tickle my brain 🧠

[@TamWam_]

I wish I had that skin bc my friend said it looks exactly like me (at least the hair) and now I can't unsee it 😭 sad I missed it

[@YAYAYOYOY32]

How does emongg end up posting right as I get home from college every day

[@reallyfastturtle3272]

I'm in class doing finals in HS lmao

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Scheduling

[@zugzwang8761]

prolly editor

[@hopeblossoms5931]

He's in your walls

[@AntivenomOW]

Main character syndrome

[@ethanvanderveer499]

I fell from diamond 4 to gold 1 the loss streaks hurt a ton

[@ianchambers37]

Ouch. Hopefully you can recover. I did the same with a few loss streaks from gold to almost bronze. Just about back into gold though. Scared to play some days lol in fear of more streaks happening at least on solo queue. 😅

[@GlitchiiZ]

almost the same here. plat 2 to gold 1 😞 ps. at the end of the day, i’m just in it for a jade weapon. the downside of deranking is playing with lower iq/skill teammates

[@HDKindex]

Master 4 to Plat 3 for me... I used to grind out of plat so easy and diamind is most likely my skilllevel but im now stuck in plat and im questioning if I ever deserved to be Master

[@retrorevival1]

you're doing something incredibly wrong to fall that far. The game is designed specifically to stop big loss streaks. The game will give you easier games on a plate after a loss streak to push you back up. You're either throwing or just tilt-queueing and getting nowhere. take a break.

[@ethanvanderveer499]

@@retrorevival1 not doing anything wrong I play a very good tank people just quit and give up a lot

[@lf2334]

I literally just fell from T500 DPS to diamond. I can't figure out what's wrong. It's like my brain shut off and became a diamond player. I just all of a sudden became bad at the video game and it's been a week straight. Maybe burned out a little. It's odd.

[@Alex_Aramayo]

I basically took 2 seasons off & its like i still have my mechanics but its like i lost my game sense & im playing w my brain turned off

[@lf2334]

@@Alex_Aramayo yeah that's pretty much how I feel. I'm sure it will come back. It's just a weird mental block.

[@Alex_Aramayo]

@lf2334 yah its been slowly coming back to me too, 1 thing that's helped me is that prob half the roster get their ults faster bc they're landing more shots than b4 & also deal way more dmg than b4 bc some compensation buffs for the increased HP pools

[@BabyWolf-qj3sp]

The conversation about counters made me want to put my opinion, as a player who plays just about everyone, including sombra, hack does too much for what it is and is inconsistent in what it does and doesnt cancel, it cancels ball's ball form, but not ram nemisis or bastion form, like why

[@JugsMcNasty]

Def a design flaw, like how mauga charge beats everything, doom punch, rein charge, ball grapple. Makes no sense but to give bad players an advantage or a reason to play mauga over anything else

[@BabyWolf-qj3sp]

@@JugsMcNasty for mauga it makes a little bit more sense, he's a tank he needs something to not just get cc into oblivion by other tanks, but yeah it needs to me toned down slightly, all cc needs to be toned down in my opiniom

[@secretlyaslug2325]

I question the Devs who designed virus and didn't move the properties of player hack to it instead. Why player hack still exists and has no cooldown, don't need aim, doesn't need LOS. It's so poorly designed. Let her hack health packs for her retreat / anchor playstyle. Let her interrupt abilities or ult with her ult or a skill shot. Similar to how sleep works. She already has so many obnoxious properties with Invis and EMP and health pack sustain. Spare us from hack.

[@BabyWolf-qj3sp]

@@secretlyaslug2325 player hack just needs to have its effects lowered and then make it consistent, like make it cancel ALL channeled abilities (yes i know thats strong but its a example)

[@julesfaracci5791]

Its been ages since I played Winston but looks like my games, I feast the first round and then they swap reaper Brig and hog and I can't have fun anymore :(

[@ianchambers37]

Agreed. Same on zarya or rein or other tanks as well.

[@kawnTTV]

Yep! Im the winston in the video and this is how all my games go lmao

[@retrorevival1]

Reaper and Hog are pretty easy to play around, reaper is simple enough to 1v1 if they're stupid and fck up their cooldowns (let's be honest, anyone just swapping to reaper is brainless) and don't escape when they should., his shotguns aren't as effective against Winstons armor anymore and Winstons gun ignores armor so Brig is laughably easy to kill.

[@julesfaracci5791]

@retrorevival1 I agree that you can play around them but you can't play the same as against other heroes where you can all in and get kills much more... against hog and reaper you can't stay long doing dmg and killing people

[@luizeduardoortizduarte4380]

Yeah i can feel that, been a losing streak in the last few days, gotta take a break from ranked for a bit 😢

[@WunderWulfe]

i had to chill when playing tank cuz they get busted so quickly. tanks like wball especially are harder to get value with due to hp changes, but they been buffed throughout the season

[@AletheSnail7]

I fell from plat 3 (placement rank) back to gold 1 on support. Gold 1 was my elo HELL for about 5 seasons, (not consecutively as some seasons I skipped entirely) pre season 9. I’ll just say it, yes, I’m a mercy main, but I have decent gameplay of other supports, just not mastery of niche tricks that they offer. I played like how I normally do in gold 1 in season 9, making the slight change of playing other supports, and peaked plat 2. I held it and placed plat 3 this season and fell hard. I know mercy is garbage. Doesn’t change the fact that my win rate is about a 50%, but it feels impossible to win as any support. Period. I feel that there’s a fundamental change I need to make that I haven’t been making, but it’s really hard to identify what. The only thing I can think of is that back in OW1, I was really on top of patch notes and updates, but I’m not nearly as informed now.

[@commentbot9510]

It’s possible that higher elos getting pushed down combined with mercy being awful has knocked you down a few tiers. In my experience my rank is usually about 3 tiers wide because you’ll have your highs and lows. So, don’t worry too much. You’ll climb when they “fix” ranked and give everyone a boost.

[@livefreeprintguns]

I feel like "that was my mouse" will be a meme at some point lol.

[@Tailstraw_xD]

Emongg started going Super Saiyan and stopped halfway through

[@marc-andreblais5818]

to be fair, ranks have no meaning anymore, they just keep going up and down all over the place, i was plat 5 and dropped to gold 4 and now ive risen back to plat 5, meanwhile, ive been facing plat 1 players who counter my character like crazy. this game is intentionally making us swing back and forth so we keep playing to get back up to the rank we had.

[@daringiconoclast6547]

Going up and down a rank is normal fluctuation.

[@marc-andreblais5818]

@@daringiconoclast6547 yes a rank is normal, but 4-5 ranks within 2 days is clearly not, it means something is not working properly or that it is being manipulated

[@TheUnseenKrab]

I believe it's deliberate to Inflate the play time cause I miss og comp where I can play a few games of ow get the gold variant weapon of my favorite heroes and be on my way.

[@d0m2288]

MvC2: New Age of Heroes. Someone has refined taste. 🧐

[@spyhy4019]

Sometimes I wonder if emongg just wants to watch without pointing out major mistakes or often doesnt see the misplays, like at 3:24 where he says good ult despite it being very bad. There was no need to push and use ults there. You qre pushing the payload, you got all the space, what do you gain IF you kill the kiri but have to use ult for it? The objective would move just as much. Rule of thumb, dont use your ult when you are pushing the point and the enemy doesnt have the positional advantage

[@YesMyNameIsBasedOffRefraction]

What in the flats do we have here?

[@jackief03]

Can someone explain the ranks like is top 500 champion now?? I know that a dumb question but I’m curious

[@srikrishnabhat6793]

Top 500 is just that, the 500 highest ranked players on a role within a region. The skill tiers or ranks that makes up top 500 though are a huge range, ranging anywhere from Champion to low Masters and in some cases, high Diamond.

[@jackief03]

@@srikrishnabhat6793 ohh okay tyyyy

[@commentbot9510]

The rank reset ruined the ranks so now masters is a mix of master to top500 while GM+ is top500. Diamond is masters. I have no idea where the diamond players are. Metal ranks are the same.

[@srikrishnabhat6793]

Former diamonds are high plat now.

[@commentbot9510]

@@srikrishnabhat6793 if that’s true then I’m just going to start telling people I’ve reached masters now cause I got to diamond 1 in season 9 and then the game was putting me in games with GM and top500 players and I went on a loss streak.

[@0dcsauce]

Man this makes me feel better than I’m a low diamond tank.

[@systemincorrect8024]

i dropped from plat to silver. im not even grinding anymore bcs it seems like system is broken it wasnt that hard to climb back in OW1, literally every game its a dc or a troll and even if you are play and stay alive w the team - 1 death is all u need to lose last fight and a match. i lietrally have no motivation to play ranked anymore bcs loses hurt more. u can win few games and then u lose 2 and all ur progress literally was meaningles.. not talking about how stressfull is to play dps in metal ranks. i have no such problem on tank and supp bcs i know target priority and can survive much longer than i do as dps bcs no supp will heal u on silver or gold rank, no tank knows what space is

[@dexoutgaming229]

Who else was looking at their task bar to figure out what connected? @7:28

[@doakesanddrax]

This guy not swapping would have drove me crazy if i was on his team. Its not that he was playing bad. More that they were making it harder than necessary on their teammates

[@bossekungen5401]

This title for the video. Did sound like he has fallen down slot of ranks. Last time I did check top 500 it was in the master rank or is it in gm now. One thing that make me nervous is that he is late to the start of the round in defense.

[@ravijotsingh7831]

Once our tank was so good and it turned out to be a problem as we win the point and then he pushes in where I can't heal him. If I don't try to save him we die and if I do, I die....

[@CharterForGaming]

Honestly, he wasn't that good if he over commits like that, you did the correct thing by not going after him that far

[@Peachmain1]

I think your referring to flats last season

[@AntivenomOW]

How was that fine what he was doing at the start? He was using his bubbles on cooldown in random spaces and then jumped without one

[@justsomeoneelse5942]

It looks like better gameplay than whatever the hell I do and a top 500 tank player saying it’s fine most likely means it’s fine lol

[@AntivenomOW]

@@justsomeoneelse5942 that’s just cope

[@mitchellcarroll3801]

Bro, thank you for mentioning this. I was losing my mind watching this guy play and emongg saying everything was fine. I too was once a top 500 main tank in OW1 but rather than falling off, I naturally quit a year or 2 before OW2 and only recently got back into it as a qp warrior. I know the game has changed since my last competitive days but this guy can definitely play better with very simple changes. This winston clearly understands on a macro level what he should prioritize (like clearing high ground) but loses so much value on the fine details. He rarely if ever gets good value on his abilities. 1)He consistently bubbles too early which leads to him leaving his bubble behind or being completely ignored as it's entirely out of the way. Bubbling at full health is almost never max value because it means there's no damage, healing, or abilities for bubble to block and take valuable space. 2) While he understands the different jumps, cancels, and combos his planning and placement of jumps is poor. The best jump is one that places you in their retreat route as it heightens your chance of securing a kill. To do this consistently you need to plan things out which is why his first nano play fizzles out, he wasted jump getting to a door he could have walked to before nano and then didn't have it to engage for max value once he got in the door. 3) His ults are generally okay and Winston ult can be very inconsistent with kills even when done well but his target selection is poor (Don't focus the tank) and he pops it raw instead of making an aggressive play pre-ult and using primal for the free health and to secure kills. All in all I'd say this guy plays too passive and careful at times leading to low value despite identifying the right play. A great example is when he's holding the building on first point, the entire enemy team is clustered on the stairs, and instead of pushing up, placing a bubble and zapping their brains out, he stand back and preemptively bubbles in hops they'll push him and gets no value until reaper walks at him halfway through his bubble timer. Ultimately though, as far as the rounds after where he gets countered you do just need to swap sometimes. This is not OW1 like he and I used to play where there was always ways around counters, in OW2 counters can be pretty hard and absolute so expanding to dva is a good choice

[@AntivenomOW]

@@mitchellcarroll3801 Great analysis! He should pay you to review his VODs 😂

[@TheH3llboy]

top 500 rn is like high diamond low masters, it's not like season 8 WOW he fell from GM1 to diamond 4 🤣

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Which role, that sounds more like DPS?

[@Dc_123_dc]

But he was GM and top 500 and fell

[@darthvader8686]

U kinda did your own thing up there..... Get 65% ult when his dps 20% -_-. Hello, don't pay for that

[@TheKillerman3333]

List of characters that counter rein: non-melee heroes and only if the melee heroes are not ulting/getting healed. if you stay away from his charge and hammer, you basicly win. kiting a rein isn't too hard which is why we have to be extra careful. the idea behind his kit is "if you give him more damage, then when people are just so happen to group up for some reason in a neat little package, he can kill the entire team in 6 seconds or so." which by the way, if they are that close together there are seriously way better options and heroes for the job.

[@РамсеэВиллалас]

Winton

[@hoangnightstar]

His Winston is good. But because its too good so enemy will swap counter to make his value become 0. I think he need to play other tanks (Mauga, Hog, Zarya) in order to climb back to GM. 1 trick in OW as tank is very misrable right now because of 5v5 instead of 6v6. He can be T500 in OW1 because other tank will help him when he meet his counter but in OW2 there is no other tank in the team. TLDR: bring back 6v6

[@breakfaith3031]

They got rid of 6v6 for a reason. Not enough people want to play tank to keep reasonable queue times. This problem is worse now since players like myself who joined after the change to 5v5 are used to tank being the experience that it is now. Plus we have to consider how different tanks have been changed since OW2 came out. I wouldn't want to fight a team that has current Orisa AND Mauga while still having 2 DPS and 2 supports. TLDR: the return of 6v6 would make tank less miserable to play but it would take too long for people to get into games. And Mauga/Orisa would be on the same team.

[@milesupshur9614]

I can't imagine why you'd wanna be a one or two-trick in Ranked. Every hero is fun as hell in the right environment and if you aren't picking optimally, somebody else will. Recognizing a good time to swap is absolutely a skill, and playing a large pool of heroes well is blatantly indicative of that.

[@ianchambers37]

I agree. It's fun playing a few different heroes. I got at least 3 or 4 tanks and dps I play often depending on the comp and also for fun. I think support is the only one where I almost one trick as brig whom I really like to play as. I do play some ana, zen, moira, or kirko but not nearly as proficient on them, sadly.

[@AngrySecs]

I one trick because I do genuinely only have fun playing one tank. I've tried other tanks and it's just meh

[@commentbot9510]

I can’t imagine enjoying your time playing any tank other than best girl (dva)

[@ianchambers37]

@commentbot9510 I find it funny to occasionally play zarya, rein and jq. Ram I do but he's not having a good time lately so it feels not so fun on him.

[@commentbot9510]

@@ianchambers37 as long as you’re having fun. People should be allowed to play whatever character they want without the enemy pressing H and ruining the game for them.

[@kamilmoha1033]

Day 05 of asking emongg to :OIL UP FOR RAMATTRA

[@infernoesports_]

ALRIGHT SO

[@Waffl3B1T]

ALRIGHT SO!!

[@AntivenomOW]

Isn’t Winston one of the strongest tanks right now and one of the top picks in top500? Even Reaper doesn’t "counter" him anymore. What is bro waffling about?

[@justinmiranda2005]

this is epic overwatch

[@StarCrow77Gaming]

He dropped to my rank RIP we not climbing with this one

[@liucanthewhitewolf1198]

loses-ton

[@stavrakaspaok]

Just play Mauga against Hog and you will dominate

[@michals1108]

Stay away from ranked much better for your mental health

[@Chaimelo]

woah accidentally early! let's see it

[@mosepii3840]

Holy... This game doesn't look fun at all anymore..

[@The_Antiquary]

Dude wants to rank up to a high level yet is barely out of spawn in time to defend the choke.

[@C_nite]

What is up with ur hair brother

[@ImpulsiveBat-zf4ed]

What is up with this weird comment bro, we're here for ow gameplay not immaculate hairdos 😂

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

You leave his hair brother out of this, it's a condition!

[@ianchambers37]

Lol, the hair is awesome. It's like a support character. 😂

[@Dezcjy]

Alright so!

[@ciach0_]

ALRIGHT SSO!!!

[@riyaad4127]

first

[@justinmiranda2005]

omg first??????