This Tempest Has The Strangest Vector Monitor Fault I've Ever Seen

[@cjh0751]

Tempest was a video game so great that Jeff Minter dedicated his programming life to it. Cool video Guys.

[@ancipital]

He had a tempest at home and also a star wars sit down machine. I vaguely remember that I think he had a M.A.C.H 3 as well but most certainly the Tempest & Star Wars!

[@cjh0751]

@@ancipital You are very lucky man. The old vector graphics machines are boss. I can only dream of owning an arcade machine like that.

[@AllanSitte]

I always loved this game. It is visually enjoyable and a fun game to play. It is especially fun to watch someone who is good at playing it. I am not one of those someones, but I appreciate when they play. Thank you for sharing your efforts with us Ron. You are documenting what others may need to know years into the future. A noble cause. I salute you.

[@Supersix231]

"BBC - big black capacitor" - 😆

[@djmips]

British Broadcasting Corporation

[@stonent]

@@djmips Bick Black (account suspended)

[@djmips]

@@stonent yah don't have to spell it out - we all know. 😏

[@blapty]

Bible Boys Church family representing. If you know you know 🤣🤣🤣

[@cjh0751]

Great to have you back Ron. No disrespect to Joe but when I hear you say "Ladies and gentlemen this is Joe's classic video games coming at you with a cool video games repair this evening". My eyes and ears are with you and Joe for the duration of the video. Missed you man. A BBC? Big Black Capacitor. 😂

[@robertbox5399]

C'mon people!

[@cjh0751]

@@robertbox5399 Indeed brother. Say hello to Joe and Robbie. I've learnt so much from you guys. Respect

[@danielknepper6884]

Ronnie is the best.

[@cjh0751]

@@danielknepper6884 The brothers are the best. Love old Ron doing the repairs though. Keep it up brothers.

[@sideburn]

I like joes version, he struggles 😂

[@meltysquirrel2919]

🤠 Yeehah! Awesome! So cool! I was watching the Centipede repair this week and thought to myself, "Hmm, wonder if they'l do a Tempest sometime?" 😅 Tempest is such a cool game - I loved playing this back when they were new... was never super good at it but it was still fun and such a cool game! 😃 Three brothers, three styles but all cool! 😎 Much love to all y'all! 😊

[@markjackson1444]

You guys must have had some really funny times around the dinner table. I’ll bet your Dad had a wicked sense of humour. Another great video from the pinball and arcade masters.

[@neilguthrie3248]

Man, I remember playing this in the Arcade when I was a teenager and is instantly recognisable from the sound effects. Brilliant.

[@williamnutley5509]

Glad you're feeling better Ron. Forget all about this game! Always enjoyed it! Thanks for a little trip down memory lane! Have a good weekend!

[@moefuggerr2970]

Wow those are still alive. I used to repair those arcade games in the early 80's. R&R Vending Victoria Texas. Then went into the Navy. They were high tech back then.

[@jameskenney5623]

Another amazing video from JCVG. THANKS

[@chrisSP0234]

You gotta love the deflection chatter that thing makes!

[@bhuff123]

Thank you, Ron for another great video and it’s always so nice when you put out videos because you explain things so well your brother says it’s broke while we all know it’s broke. It wouldn’t be here.

[@WreckDiver99]

One of my favorite games. They were so prone to that paddle controller failing though. Most of the times, it was just the bearing getting worn out, sometimes the encoder wheel would get dirty (or the sensors). Always wanted one of these. I used to be able to get into the invisible levels, but I bet if I could make it to level 11 (Bowling Alley) I'd be lucky.

[@eldebo99]

Seeing the scope render the vector graphics and seeing how it really is just an etch a sketch pen going nuts drawing everything was really cool

[@ancient_of_mumu]

love this game! the arcade near us has one with a modified knob. big, machined aluminum like 2 inches across... it plays smooth as heck!

[@RobSchofield]

Great fix, very interesting.

[@malcolmmurphy2924]

You guys are awesome love watching you guys from Cape breton ns Canada.

[@toddmartin6572]

Oh also I have had this issue right after rejuvenating a tube. Once the internals cooled off the pic would come into place

[@dreamcastfan]

I come to this channel for the footage of BBCs. 😂

[@djmips]

What's so funny - it's just a TV channel in England.

[@dreamcastfan]

@@djmips 😂👍

[@itstheterranaut]

@@djmips In the Uk actually.

[@naytch2003]

I don't get why people bitch about the way Joe presents his videos as to how Ronnie does his..they both present theirs just fine..I like em both personally

[@LyonsArcade]

Nobody has any class anymore, pretty rude and disrespectful in my opinion

[@naytch2003]

@@LyonsArcade When I was born Ronnie in 1971 I was taught respect from day 1..I still remember getting caned at school and then another by dad after school..I soon learnt to respect elders and authority

[@laser-sj]

I like them both 😁

[@robertbox5399]

Ron sounds more like red-neck film star. They're both great. 😂

[@Jesselovespinball]

I think they are both fantastic! Joe makes me laugh just as much as Ron ! Never disappointed with either of them !

[@bri.g.5105]

that cab so gorgeous

[@sc5015]

Woah woah woah... You need to go into how that scope, and what it is, and how it displays the picture from the game.

[@eDoc2020]

10:23 On the close-up I can see what looks like raster lines except rotated 90 degrees. This is probably a huge clue but I have no idea what it means. It definitely seems to be _some_ problem with the deflection but what?

[@imjabroni1]

I saw this game at the AMOA show in 1981 and they were excited this was "The first 3D game", because it had depth in the image.

[@JimmyZ408]

One of my all-time favorite games as a Yute!

[@waynegram8907]

JOE, What is it called when electrons are bouncing inside the vector monitor or CRT tube? and what can cause this type of problem of the electrons bouncing inside the monitor which causing focus & definition problems? It seems that the low voltage regulator board was not outputting +26vdc which was causing focus issues. I'm guessing the -26vdc and +26vdc low voltages are supplying the low voltages to the focus components in the vector boards.

[@pezjohnson]

Ooooh look at all those EM g^n games in the backgroud. Also, are you going to get dinged by KZbin for BBC? Also that capacitor seems to be "It's Broke". Thanks for the video. Glad you were able to work your way through it.

[@jussikuusela7345]

That's one freakin' amazing game.

[@LyonsArcade]

It's really something special!

[@djmips]

I seem to recall that the Arcadeshop LV2K board had been upgraded with heatsinks at one point...

[@repro7780]

I have a Tempest upright that is all original, with the manuals. It worked fine before I moved, but I haven't used it since. I should bring it down for a rebuild! I did cosmetic stuff to it, like a new control panel overlay, new button cones (both had cigarette burns, lol), new T molding, things like that.

[@ThatandCo]

Had a friend who's dad worked at Bally/Midway here in St.Louis .

[@malcellery1538]

Think the N02A is a voltage regulator. Thanks for the video.

[@andymouse]

Nice work !....cheers.

[@joeorsini6110]

There's another Tempest-style game called Tempest Tubes; that version gives players more of a challenge in terms of more challenging levels. There was a version of Tempest that was meant to be played on the Atari 2600, but the prototype of that was never released; it is on the Nintendo DS game Atari Greatest Hits Volume 1.

[@simonjandrell5897]

yep i went from old school through hole.. to then and that shit really does blow your mind the technology especially those Surface Mount Machines (SMT) Horrifying things.. and they have not changed that much when i left the Electronic Field all em years ago.. still fascinates me though Electronics as it never gets old or boring

[@toddmartin6572]

I’ve found g08 monitors with bad connections to the neck board or faulty 6.3 volts on the focus

[@hansthebeast9740]

Tempest is my favorite game. I remember the texture of those cabinets.

[@steamsoldier]

Nicely done! 💪👍💪

[@1dave301]

YAY! TEMPEST! Thanks!

[@tekvax01]

Looks like the yoke has fallen down or been pulled back into the incorrect position on the neck of the CRT. Either that or check the deflection sawtooth waveforms with an oscilloscope.

[@victorvarsanyi6702]

My fav coin op of all time. Vector graphics are the best, IMHO.

[@mikmurphy1]

Gotta be the deflection transistors. (Some of us don't have an inventory of retro color vector deflection boards on hand lol.)

[@carlstanland5333]

24:20 Had to break out the Advil!😂

[@theelmonk]

That looks like a Tek 210. It's doing a pretty good job of XY mode for a digital scope.

[@bprosman]

One remark from my end. You mentioned that there is going AC from the "Power brick" to the "Regulator/Sound board" and is being turned into DC there. But, if the BBC is on the "Power brick" is must be already DC there.

[@LyonsArcade]

One voltage on the power brick is DC and runs through that cap, several others remain AC and go up to the other board to be turned into DC.

[@blanchae]

@@LyonsArcade The AC power brick provides unregulated DC voltage to the regulator board which provides the "you guessed it" regulated voltage. Unregulated DC would have significant voltage ripple on it and change voltage depending on current load. Regulated DC would be a constant fixed voltage regardless of current load.

[@mlard811]

I have one of these in my garage that I have wanted to restore for a few years now. After viewing a few videos like this I think everything is there. It's just old and needs some work. Any tips on where to start? I have plugged it in... and doing this lets the smoke out... so I quickly unplugged it. Smoke comes from the powersupply, which is no surprise. I'm comfortable working on boards and electronics, but I don't have any experience working on arcade games. I think I have the manual... will have to look around.

[@garry5280]

You have to love vector games, when you think of when these were made, the results they delivered were far advanced of many other games and the vector graphics just made the unique. I'd love to get a starwars cabinet, tempest and asteroids deluxe, I think that'll make my favourite lineup.

[@johneven2896]

Heck Yeah It's more vivid in person, I spent a lot of quarters in Tempest, probably as many as went in Asteroids.

[@MoparStephen]

Always wanted a Tempest arcade cabinet.

[@Lezzistrata]

Electrolytic capacitors have what plants crave?

[@specgrade3275]

I remember, as a kid, just spinning the Hell out of that dial. 😂

[@NotsureOk]

Temperamental Tempest Nice🎉

[@blanchae]

My guess is that the deflection circuit is okay as you have horizontal and vertical deflection. It looks like it is out of focus, maybe the high voltage to the CRT screen is out of whack? Bad CRT screen connection?

[@LyonsArcade]

nope, it was the deflection circuit

[@namco003]

Here's one for you. I had surgery on my foot and was telling the Doctor I worked for namco as a tech. He said he has a vector Star Wars game he's selling that doesn't work, he wanted me to look at, so I went by and it was basically a pot adjustment, and some reseating cables/chips. He gave me 50 bucks, but a couple of months later, he messaged me to tell me, he was trying to move it, and it fell over and the monitor cracked...

[@LyonsArcade]

Man that sucks! Was it the amplifone? They can be swapped out, you can change the yoke and put a regular tube in them. People have basically figured out how to build an entirely new monitor with a used tube out of a television. The vector ones were a different angle of deflection and had a different pitch pattern (I think) but it can be done now. The amplifone is the best monitor for the Star Wars game because it handles the death star explosion better..

[@jackyack7850]

50 bucks?! I bet he charged you a lot more for the foot surgery.

[@jasonsteverson4609]

Hey Ron!!

[@ryansobel9447]

I really need some help with a whistle stop arcade game. I just can't find anything more then the manual. I don't know which one is zone one. So that I can recalibrate the carriage.

[@bobg3034]

Good job!

[@mikes9939]

My favorite game in the arcades. Played this for hours it seemed and they consumed so many quarters that we thought we would go broke. I had one of these at my house years later in the'90's. I paid $300 for it and got my money's worth for a couple of years. I introduced my kids to it but they actually preferred the Nintendo Game Boy and other hand held games by then as these were getting to be the most popular.

[@yuwish6320]

I little late I know. But it looks like its spewing electrons all over the screen, rather than having a confined beam or beam control. Since the o-scope showed good vector data, we can eliminate that part. It's got to be the high-voltage, the yolk, beam control, or the monitor vacuum is compromised.

[@thecableguy1128]

Nice work

[@BigRalphSmith]

I would suggest you invest in a thermal camera. They are invaluable for troubleshooting at the component level.

[@LyonsArcade]

That might catch it

[@hangonsnoop]

Tempest was my favorite classic arcade game.

[@jimkuna8687]

Love this game the Graphics are epic love side art on all games I have the Atari coffee table book some of the sicest pictures and how they came up with the ideas and stories highly recommended...

[@somejankyusername]

Spinner goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@ShawnBernard70]

I. Don't even care if somebody else already said it...... ""Electrolytes.... It's what plants crave"

[@SiaVids]

I presume that you tested any transistors for leakage and gain rather than just a diode test? One of those cheap Chinese component testers comes in very handy for gain testing.

[@tj3581ace]

Where do you get your capacitors from? I can't find a place that doesn't ship straight from China.

[@andymarshburn3535]

Could have have some leakage between traces were the board is conducting

[@paulystark2890]

So you didn’t actually fix the deflection board on that XY monitor yet, did you? Worked on dozens of these WG’s back in the day at Peachstate dist in ATL back in the late 80’s-90’s. Saw this once and if I remember, it was one of the transistors with a heat sink was bad. It’s been a while!

[@paulystark2890]

Edited that comment. I was thinking of the Electrohome. It was a transistor with a heatsink. Tested good but was leaking.

[@MatteoPascolini]

I love that you know its the royal we.... f in a !

[@SmashCatRandom]

The problem with trying to film a vector display is that the camera is turning the beautiful sharp vector lines into pixels...

[@williamcooper2368]

THE ROYAL WE.❤️

[@luke144]

God I love vector graphics. Oscilloscope gaming. If I had my own little arcade it would have all the vector games. Tempest is in my top five. Battle zone is my favorite.

[@possumgrits825]

I'll bet it's broke. Love what you guy's do.

[@PlumGurly]

BBC... That is better than what it is generally known as in slang.

[@Corey497]

those monitors are. so. freggin. rad.

[@tjsogmc]

The board might be conductive. That's why everything tests good, but it still doesn't work.

[@ocsrc]

That hum on the tube sounds wrong 😞

[@ltsiver]

Joe telling you that "it's broke" again? 1:04

[@patmcnally6]

Did you ever see SEGA'S Space Fury that was another Color Vector monitor .

[@BaccarWozat]

This is NOT the first color vector video game. That honor goes to Space Fury by Sega, which was released 4 months earlier, in June 1981.

[@ocsrc]

21:00 that transformer is really rusty. Must have been exposed to moisture

[@webdoc90]

Love the Voodoo Child

[@T-RavisComics]

BBC 😂😂😂I’m dead 💀

[@costumesforalloccasions]

Sister Joe.lol!

[@williamcooper2368]

He wrote it down. He said it's BROKE

[@whiskyguzzler982]

Some people just have personality that makes you want to hear them explain anything. C’mon now people!

[@Treeplanter73]

My favorite game!

[@ocsrc]

Every time I see this game I immediately think of NIGHT OF THE COMET ☄️ with Sam playing this game in the movie theater. Iconic movie Iconic game IT is so 1984

[@angrydove4067]

British Broadcasting Corporation, right? 😬

[@American_Made]

My favorite game in 1980 I was 10. would love to have one now.

[@woody4077]

watching this is giving me gyruss vibes

[@bperkins]

It made it! Excellent. Crazy failure

[@robinsonsoto8471]

It seems that your experience is very limited. If a zener diode is not shorted. Leave it alone.

[@LyonsArcade]

You may want to research that a little bit and get back to me on that. Zener diodes perform two functions, you're testing one... and then criticizing me when you don't know what you're taling about.

[@dlschgo]

If you are using old stock parts, make sure you are charging the customer current prices. You'll have to restock for the next repair. I know you are aware and this is by no means a criticism. Kindness always came back to bite me is all I am saying.

[@darkwinter6028]

Yes, both Gatorade and electrolytic capacitors contain electrolytes… however, they are NOT interchangeable: do not drink cap fluid, and do not put Gatorade in your arcade machines! Seriously - you won’t like the results. 😉

[@thejunkman7581]

What fun are these games if you don't need to repair them. Come on now people. 😅

[@piratestation69]

Nice to have ron back doing arcade stuff... joe is a bit stiff... Atari's BBC.. come on people this is a family friendly channel... one thing about vector monitor games never move them. Ever.

[@naytch2003]

How is he stiff?? Why become YOU don't like him?? Why bother watching then if all you're gonna do is complain

[@dynorat12]

Sorry but that my favorite game wish it was mine

[@shakenbake9900]

BBC 😂😂😂