This Ultra-High Mile Tesla Proves That EV Batteries Last Longer Than You Think

During our Everything Electric Expo in Sydney earlier this year, Robert took some time to chat with a Model S owner who has used and abused their car far beyond what many believe an EV is capable of enduring. His 700,000km Tesla is a great example of the remarkable longevity modern EV batteries offer.
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[@jamesengland7461]

Can't we simply rejoice with this guy that his car has done so well, without all the negativity? Not only has he done lots of miles, but this isn't some 40 year old car that's been babied. This is only 6 years of hard, long daily driving most of us have never done.

[@t1n4444]

Psst ... I just happen to have a London bridge you might like to buy.

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

Unfortunately all the trolls are out in force and can only say negative things to make themselves feel better about their life choices. I'm sure they'll say negative things about this comment, which only proves my point.

[@AdrianMcDaid]

Negative news always gets the most headlines sadly.

[@t1n4444]

@@oddjobsandrandomprojects We've noticed what with you bigging up yourself by criticising other posters free speech comments. Shame on you.

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@t1n4444 So you decided to criticize me, about supposedly criticizing others? I simply pointed out the psychology of negative people. Thanks for proving my point by the way.

[@paulsmyers203]

The world needs more stories about high mileage EV batteries. That's a number 1 concern for many of the people I talk to.

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

Unfortunately, even with this info most people want to continue to be negative about it.

[@davemorris6747]

The world needs more stories on where all the electricity’s coming from. Certainly not thin air and definitely snail pace investment in the U.K.

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@davemorris6747 The problem is that information is highly regional. Where I am in the US that varies widely state to state and even county to county. And even then individuals may have solar like I do that totally changes where your personal electricity is coming from. So, while interesting, such a report would be either very generalized, or slanted by the bias of the reporting group.

[@OtisFlint]

@@davemorris6747 The UK doesn't need more electricity. The UK is using less now than 20 years ago. When the UK goes full EV you'll be back to the consumption you used to be at.

[@nikgrekas6056]

Absolutely especially rideshare drivers

[@evolv.e]

I have “only” put 162k miles on my 10 year old Model S. Still has 90% of the original SOC. My wife and I plan on keeping another 10 years!

[@thelonewolf666]

you poor sad person

[@maximusasauluk7359]

​@@thelonewolf666 Coping situation

[@hyri3188]

@@thelonewolf666 bro hates people

[@jlue1993]

The fact he probably brought that Model S new, I’d bank on him being richer and more successful than you…. You poor sad person 🤣

[@Glenhh]

@@thelonewolf666Deep insight into your own soul. Hope you get better.

[@johnrowbotham2810]

There's a German dude who has done 1.9 million km in a Model s. Three batteries, that's about 600,000 km per battery on the early generation batteries.

[@nlSpiller]

He just hit 2 million km recently

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

He did 668.000km on a refurbished replacement battery.

[@commuterbranchline8132]

This car is like Triggers broom, nevertheless, it’s an incredible achievement.

[@fullychargedshow]

Very niche comment, but we like it!

[@user-jt4fy4od9r]

I guess it is also worth considering that when a battery PACK is replaced, it is REFURBISHED and sent out to soldier on after the issues are addressed. A kind of Trigger's broom with tape around the splintered section in the middle.

[@domdittyful]

I truly don't think people are understanding how significant this is. Going 410,000 miles on the original battery that was constantly being fast charged. That almost certainly means you should expect at least half a million miles from a newer model Tesla. Especially if you don't fast charge all the time.

[@markmonroe7330]

Well, all cars should do this and Toyota's have done it for years. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[@domdittyful]

@@markmonroe7330 The key word there is SHOULD. The average gas car wont make it pass 150k. The average Toyota doesn't make it pass 250k. An that's with a ton of maintenance and engine repair. You don't have do any maintenance on an EV the battery at all.

[@markmonroe7330]

@@domdittyful The average Tesla will need a new battery at 100,000 miles or 4-5 years so there you go. The EV battery will literally die just sitting there with time regardless of how much or drive or dont drive it unlike an ICE that can go decades with no issues.

[@domdittyful]

@markmonroe7330 EVs don't die after 10 years. Ev's have been around long enough, that we have stats to prove it. I don't know who told you that. But that is 100% a lie, that a lot of people seem to believe. I studied Ev's extensively.

[@domdittyful]

@markmonroe7330 You're just pulling fact out of your a**.. because there are literally thousands of teslas over 100k. Try actually looking it up before making claims

[@thelolsamshow]

I had a model s 85D that has 340.000 kilometers on its original battery and motors. Had 93% of its original range. Amazing battery.

[@burnzy3210]

So why do you no longer have it?

[@Jin-Ro]

My Defender is 1983. It has 100% of its original range. EV's suck.

[@barearerarehare]

​@@Jin-Roand how cool is that car 😂

[@BooBaddyBig]

@@Jin-Ro I bet it doesn't.

[@ThorRavnsborg]

That's nearly what my 2014 P85 had done when both motor and battery was replaced under warranty in 2021. It has now done 404.000 km. The replacement battery I got was used and already had som degradation though. It has lost some additional range since so I'm not sure how long it will last. I use superchargers quite frequently but I very rarely charge to more than 80% (and never to 100%).

[@rdk3996]

News that will sadly never reach CNBC, The Street, Wall Street, evening tv news, WSJ, ….

[@rp9674]

The Onion

[@TheBlip01]

It'll reach the news as, "EV battery fails!"

[@user-jt4fy4od9r]

Mystery programming bug in tesla software means batteries are bricked after reaching 666,666 KM. Then the Devil goes down to Georgia and steals himself a soul from Jim Farley.

[@rdk3996]

@@TheBlip01 no kidding! Excellent point.

[@Just_a_random_birb]

They do everything to make EVs look bad.

[@slash196]

Very well-spoken owner, you can tell he does a lot of client-facing work.

[@grahamcook9289]

He spoke very fast though and with an almost impenetrable aussie twang. I had to turn on CC.

[@nephilimcrt]

​@@grahamcook9289 Impenetrable? I'm Dutch and I understood every word he said.

[@AdrianMcDaid]

@@grahamcook9289 Had no issue my self.

[@billybobbob3003]

AHAHHA so in other words battery failed in less than 10 years what a joke there are honda k24 4 cylinder engines lasted over 1 million miles.

[@AdrianMcDaid]

@@billybobbob3003 is that what's in your vehicle ?

[@lnby]

A friend of mine in the UK has hit 415,000 miles and had his battery replaced at 350k. 100% of the charging was done via the free supercharging as he didnt have a means to charge at home. Impressive stuff from Tesla.

[@effigy42]

The battery cost him 20,000$ though…..

[@dejan.]

@@effigy42350k miles is 560k kms, that’s 56k litres of premium fuel for a similarly performing vehicle at over $2 per litre in Australia currently, that’s over $100k in fuel saved and you’re worried about a $20k battery? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Neojhun]

@@effigy42 FYI It's 17,000 AUD to replace a 85kwh battery. That's 11K USD. Your lies exaggerated the number by almost 2X.

[@Neojhun]

@@dejan. More like 17K AUD rounding UP.

[@paulharrison7761]

The cars are shit man

[@jamesg2382]

Thanks, great to see an unbiased report on a Tesla. Battery replaced with new under warranty at 666,000 kms. Most ICE cars would be scrap at that point.

[@x2lls]

Unlike your biased view?

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@x2lls Actually sounds pretty fair. As a mechanic for over 20 years I've seen very few petrol cars with that mileage, but most end up at the scrapyard long before that. If he said no ICE car can match that I'd say it was biased and untrue statement.

[@oxfordsparky]

@@oddjobsandrandomprojectsit is a biased reply though as 99% of all cars would be scrapped long before that age regardless of power train. I don’t know about now but early model S’ would often have motors replaced during a service due to issues without the owner being told, it would be listed on the cars history though. How many ICE vehicles have had that happen?

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@oxfordsparky First time I've ever heard of this, so I can't say. But you are correct most cars would be scrap at this point. ICE or EV would be scrap. That's why it isn't a biased comment. The article pointed out an exceptional EV. The fact is that all news articles only point out things that are unusual. If they happened all the time it wouldn't be news. This is true of both pro-EV news and anti-EV news.

[@fyank1]

Have you any evidence of that happening?

[@SydneyEV]

We drove our model 3 across Australia and back, before the Dc fast charger network existed in SA.. proving that yes, you can drive an EV outside of cities..

[@peterwenborn8310]

Less moving parts equals less maintenance, it’s a no brainer. Excellent straight forward interview that should dispel many myths, one would hope ..

[@projectitis]

Also, regenerative braking means less use of brakes. Win/win.

[@stevezodiac491]

Not so, Moneywise reports :- Not surprising’: Recent EV models run into 79% more problems than gas cars, Consumer Reports survey reveals.

[@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou]

@@stevezodiac491Except of course it is so. The issues that EVs have are mechanical issues, same as ICE, rather than anything to do with the EV specific parts. I’ve been driving electric for nine years with no brake replacements, and very little need for maintenance. My better half and I have owned five EVs during that period with only minor issues - some badly installed trim on one car and a blurry quadrant on a back up screen. The lack of NVH means that EVs aren’t shaking themselves to death from the first moment they’re driven. The lack of maintenance is one of the joys.

[@wojciechjanecki9221]

@@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou How often you are changing your tires? and where you live, Australia, Norway, Canada or maybe Italy?

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@stevezodiac491 This is slightly off topic, but I find it sound how many news reports are just copy pasted articles from someone else. Like Moneywise reports finds that Consumer Reports finds. Not just them or just this topic. Seems like news these days is just a lot of retweets.

[@markumbers5362]

Free charging means he saved a lot of money. At $2 per litre 666,000 klms in an ICE limo would cost around $110,000 in petrol plus he has saved a lot in servicing and lost income from days not worked.

[@MihneaStoian]

That's basically what paid for the car I guess.

[@alanmay7929]

that means absolutely nothing lol!!! it was at the begining! today there is not such things as free charging.

[@xiaowei1]

@@alanmay7929 Just looking this up, the 360 plan with Origin is stated as a subscription package which: "will allow motorists to access a brand-new EV, chosen from a select 12 models, which can be paid off on a month-to-month basis by salary packaging through their employer. Alongside a new vehicle, eligible customers will also be given access to Origin’s new EV energy plan that awards bill-payers with five hours of free energy between 10am and 3pm and cheaper rates between 1am and 6am." So you'd need to purchase though a subscription model an electric car, which allows you to access the EV Plan. Clearly this saves him a lot of money on the cost of fuel. It is worth mentioning there are other plans with free electricity too - I use the OVO Energy EV Plan which offers a bit better rate off peek (12:00am-6:00am) at 10c per kw and 3 hours free electricity from 11am to 2pm. the peek cost is a lot higher though. But you don't need a "subscription" for the car.

[@eleycki]

There wasn’t free charging for the whole time!!

[@xiaowei1]

@@eleycki yes, it seems the EV needs to be bought through a subscription model (which will factor in the cost of the electricity use which an average user may use). OVO EV plan does have 3 hours free energy though, with no need for the purchase of an EV through them.

[@TassieEV]

In Canada in Guelph Ontario a Model 3 owner has done well now over 500,000km on original battery brakes motors. This is fantastic though and love the number, some will take as a sign but 666,666 when error code appeared is very cool.

[@e.lan.s]

an easter egg 😂

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

I thought it was hilarious how many people are superstitions about that.

[@BenMillen]

My van broke down other day in Morrisons, mobile mechanic guys came (one of them was actually 93! Great chap) and whilst looking in my engine bay I said that I seen loads of electric cars in the car park whilst waiting (I like EVs), younger mechanic straight away said oh that's not good, you can't repair those, it's all sealed motors and what not he said, to which I said well they dont really break down that much unless software issue or other standard mechanical issue, but he was like yeah but they need the batteries changing every 3 years and cost more than the cars, then what do you do with the batteries? I was too fed up for a debate and just said I'm pretty sure it's not like that. Anyhoo turned out to be my starter motor so they gave me a bump start and I got home and dreamed of my future long range ev campervan

[@serpserpserp]

I was at a charging station the other day when two electric techs were coming out to fix a station up. They were so anti-EVs: "What if the power goes out for a couple of days?" "Still cost a bit to charge", "Unreliable" etc. etc. neither of them owned an EV, nor test driven one. Just like their ICE cars which is fine. But don't bash an alternative you clearly know nothing about (even though they work around them all day every day!)

[@gabem8119]

⁠@@serpserpserp Just plain ignorance. Something they don’t bother to learn about and hate on it for no reason at all. If the power goes out you can’t pump gas either.

[@MsDmcclymont]

Ermmm where do they get liquid fuel in a mass power cut lol​@@serpserpserp

[@rtmpgt]

you can fix and repair motors. Go ask any person who fixes industrial motors for a living. EV Batteries and motors are fully repairable. Most of the time if one dies, Tesla does a core swap for you. They send your old motor back to get reconditioned and repaired, they put a reconditioned one in your car. Likewise for the battery.

[@PJWey]

Fear of change and the unknown. Also garages are facing a disruption as the type and necessity of repair work is changing. In the short term lots of older ICE cars but that is changing day by day.

[@janknudsen145]

2018 model 3 308000 km in canada all weather conditions have lost 10 % drive 250 km every day the best part performance is exactly the same as the day I brought it home.

[@Neojhun]

LOL you are in the cliché 10% degradation plateau. It won't start degrading quickly until 2027.

[@markdev4796]

Great episode, need a lot more of the real world driver experience stuff. So many people with opinions out there that have never stopped to ask an actual EV owner.

[@somebodyelseful]

The mark of the two beasts,666 and 666. Odd that's when it failed... Or is it?

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@somebodyelseful Are you an EV owner? If not then you are just proving his point.

[@bikeman123]

I'm more impressed that the seat was comfortable enough to spend 500km per day sitting on it.

[@barearerarehare]

The 666,666 km situation have to be Elon Musk trolling 😂

[@em0_tion]

That'd be one hell of a joke. 😁

[@tonysales3687]

Yup, defo an Elon idea lol

[@tesla-spectre]

And then thinking that most likely a few faulty cells produced the errors at 660.000km means that with companies like EV Clinic specialising in repairing those, such battery packs will have lifetimes of 2Mio and beyond

[@ThisaraGamalath]

Now imagine how long newer EV batteries such as LFP will last.

[@rtmpgt]

Oh as an RC enthusiast, I have both types of packs. LFP batteries are _stupidly good_ They do have lower per-cell voltage (3.0v Nominal vs 3.6V) but their longevity is second to none. I have a 1000mah pack in my 4PKSR Radio that has outlasted pretty much all my other NCM LiPo packs. I've owned that radio since it was released, and it's lasted so long that it's hard to find new recievers for it. If this is what the hobby grade packs are like, imagine what the automotive grade LFPs are like!

[@Neojhun]

@@rtmpgt You RC guys are the true pioneers. The amount of abuse you throw at the cells is just teaching the Battery manufacturing industry how to survive anything. Automotive is such a less abusive controlled use case.

[@rtmpgt]

@@Neojhun You'd be surprised at the kinda abuse that a 1/10 scale offroader goes through. There's a reason why like, all the newest RC buggies on the market are made from Aerospace grade materials (7075T6, Carbon Fiber etc), some of the forces that go through the suspension of these cars beggars belief. Also considering that your average Modified class buggy is a 2kg brick of carbon and aluminium that'll do from 0-100kph to 0 in less than three seconds. We've had graphene batteries for a while (in the form of LiHV packs), and once the tech in those gets scaleable enough and stable enough to hit automotive levels of production, you should see a pretty significant boost in the performance of EVs which use NCM batts. LFPs are the way forward for consumer EVs though :)

[@ledzeppelin1212]

@@rtmpgt Well...their longevity is second to Lithium Titanate batteries (LTO). These are supposed to last 12K cycles! But LFP is still the way to go for now. Few cars will need 12K cycles before they die, so it's not worth the extra money for LTO over LFP. I'm happy with my Model 3 Standard Range LFP 😀

[@toriwatson9655]

You are right, Chinese BYD taxis with LFP blade batteries are getting 1 million before they have to be retired by law.

[@esm7708]

Autoalex channel have bought a high miler Model S. It's a little odd because they're trying to be negative about electric cars whilst being a little bit amazed by it.

[@lberhold]

I'm nowhere near these numbers, but have a 2019 Tesla Model 3 LR purchased new in Q3 2019. The car now has 110,000 miles, drives like new, and like he said, minimal brake wear due to the regenerative braking.

[@MikeAndTum]

Still looks gorgeous even after the body shape has been around for 12+ years.

[@boballen9095]

♥ it. What a great story (and business). Well done!

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

The quicker the battery repair industry expands the better, they probably could have solved the problem with the original battery for a lot less and no replacement battery

[@stephenfletcher3913]

It really needs too ev's are worthless secondhand most dealerships won't touch them depreciation is horrific they are basically treated as disposable items

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

@@stephenfletcher3913 Thats due to their ignorance and lack of knowledge of EVs. I certainly wouldn't want to buy an EV from those sorts of dealers. Check RSymons RSEV latest video - he quite happily buys and sells EVs and he also provides analysis of Autotrader stats that dealers use

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@stephenfletcher3913 You do know that the 15 vehicles with the highest depreciation are all gas powered? And I only wish that EVs were worthless secondhand so I could buy a used one. But even a decade old many, with the exception of the Nissan Leaf, are still quite expensive.

[@DonWood1]

Great interview, great guy. I love that he did this using the worst possible charging scenario, the one they always warn you about.

[@DrachenGothik666]

We got a used Tesla Model S in 2015, & our battery lasted until 2 years ago after we put over 100K miles on it. So we upgraded. Some minor repairs over the years all on the limited warranty, plus the battery (which cost almost 20K--'cuz it was out of warranty), but the car was great. A couple of super deep potholes did the poor car in, & severely damaged the rear axel & the battery pack & we traded in for a Model Y this year. So almost 10 years.

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

Just awesome!! Great video!!

[@desiv1170]

Nice to hear... I have over 140K miles on my 2017 Bolt currently. Although with the recall they had, I was at JUST over 100K miles when I had my pack replaced (was still working fine for me). So I have just over 40K on the new pack. No plans to replace it anytime in the future, so nice to see that another 100k-200k miles or so should be nothing to really worry about... (I'm retiring probably next year, so my driving should be going down...)

[@KaiPonte]

Buddy of mine bought a 2013 Model S last year. It had 130,000 miles (209,000 km) and only needed an air ride refresh. The battery is fine. He did preemptively replace a few cells, but has since put on 40,000 more miles and is having zero issues.

[@Berretotube]

These stories - ABSOLUTELY...ASTOUNDING. And....NOW COMMONPLACE. EVs are the future. They're exhilarating. They're the safest cars ever made. And...ZERO EMISSIONS...I charge using my solar panels ❤❤❤

[@effigy42]

How do you stop the cancer causing emf poisoning?

[@Flux000]

​@@effigy42 with a tinfoil hat

[@gbw28]

@@Flux000😂

[@t1n4444]

​@@effigy42 I'm glad you asked that very question. The answer is hydrogen fuel cell cars. Everyone knows that except a few battery hugger fanbois. Very soon all EV battery production will cease because nobody will be buying battery EVs. In UK we see a huge decline in the buying of battery EVs in favour of fossil fuelled cars. This is clearly a retrograde step and might well demonstrate the public's fickleness in going "green". Why? Because the public don't want to wait in a queue and don't want to wait for too long when recharging. If Robert had done some research before pushing batteries then he would have known that hydrogen fuel cells are the best replacement for fossil fuels. What we see these days is a series of clips on vehicles that will never be built or never be bought. Or a push towards domestic energy storage via unsuitable batteries. I again refer you to BS63100. And then we see this mythbusters venture touching on topics which he gets quite wrong. Come on Robert, wake up and smell the hydrogen.

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@t1n4444 This ad brought to you by hydrogen. The fuel responsible for the Hindenburg. That will certainly go well.

[@CaptainSpoonsAlot]

imagine all the pollution a diesel would have chucked out in that type of milage. BEV all the way.

[@effigy42]

They recharge with diesel… or coal so wtf are you on

[@dejan.]

@@effigy42burning it for propulsion is significantly more wasteful than burning it to store kWh’s.

[@chrishar110]

@@effigy42 In my country only 2% is from coal, 20-35% is from natural gas and the rest is from nuclear, wind turbines and solar panels.

[@Neojhun]

@@effigy42 Hmm 100% Diesel vs 1 FRACTION of electricity coming from Coal. FYI USA is 19.7% Coal Electricity, basically 1/5th. Do you know how math works? WTF are you on? seems like krokodil.

[@SocialDownclimber]

@@effigy42 They don't though. The guy literally said that he recharges during the middle of the day, when we are often running at very high levels of renewable energy - up to 70% or more on the east coast grid.

[@robsta1000]

Great to hear these stories.👍 I probably never have to get another vehicle again 🤩

[@robsmith1a]

I think the problem with using one car as an example is that the detractors do the same with a car that fails after fewer miles. I'm more interested in the day when owners who are out of warranty are catered for at sensible prices

[@Neojhun]

What a bunch of nonsense. The average trend is 300,000 miles for most EV batteries under 13 years old. This one failed at 4/3 of the average trend. Sure it's an outlier but not statistically extreme.

[@gasdive]

Well this one was 20k to replace the battery after 650k km (buy a new battery or get a refurbished one under warranty) He said the depreciation on a Mazda with half that mileage was 48k. Seems like a winner.

[@stephendalby836]

⁠@@Neojhunhow can real world facts be nonsense? Your opinion is far more likely to be nonsensical.

[@PJWey]

A warranty of what length? All vehicles hit a point of repairs becoming unviable but with an EV the simplicity vs a modern ICE vehicle is undeniable. If you want a long life battery LFP is a good bet.

[@therealcaldini]

I’m appreciating the early Fully Charged/Carpool vibe to the sound quality on this vid!

[@gregp.7148]

So, the 85k km 2022 Model Y that I got recently will last me a very long time!

[@unheard128]

Well, not necessarily as Lithium batteries are also subject to calendar ageing. That is to say they degrade with time even if they are not being cycled. Just like a petrol diesel you will get the most mileage out an EV battery that is used regularly. high mileage over a short time span.

[@macanx10]

I have to agree with @unheard128 . It is important to regularly use the car, cycling the battery. I was driving a tesla model S. Cant say what year, but it was used almost every day had 360k kilometrs and battery degradation was within 10 %.

[@maximusasauluk7359]

​@@unheard128 This can be insignificant depending on the charging state, temperature and battery chemistry. An LFP sitting around at 40-60% at room temperature will degrade insignificantly. If you keep a car at these conditions, driving to the supermarket once will degrade it more than sitting like that over its lifetime lol

[@udishomer5852]

If you drive sensibly it will last you another 20 years. Driving 100,000 km a year is extremely rare, only taxi drivers working long hours will reach that. Normal people drive 10-20,000 km a year.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

The University of Michigan does an annual study of average used car ages, average scrap ages, and so forth. The average car, at scrap point, is about 11 years old right now. This figure has been within a year of itself for about a decade. Most vehicles that enter the scrap yard are in the 200,000-mile range on average. So taking broad averages of all passenger vehicles, the average scrap age is 11 years, 200,000 miles. It should be noted that pickup trucks of the half-ton, consumer-grade segment (e.g. Ford F-150, Chevrolet/GMC/Ram 1500) are generally the longest-lived, highest-mileage vehicles at scrap. Not because they’re inherently better, per se, but because they are often a business investment and thus receive better maintenance care and are more likely to undergo more costly repairs to be kept in service. Removing pickups from the question would likely drop the 11-year/200k average.

[@waynerussell6401]

200k ICE milage is an outlier. iSeeCars analyzed over 11.8 million cars sold in 2020 and data shows less than 1% of cars get to 200 000 miles. And that with ~ $10k in repairs and maintenance (Consumer Reports 2015). Auto Marques have special clubs for owners who get to 200k miles!

[@mattipeltola4934]

Great video, interesting to hear. Loads of interesting info in the comments as well ⚡

[@Laurynas_LTU]

This is incredible news! Guys, please, keep making videos about the cheap running cost and longevity of EVs!

[@MrArtist7777]

I just bought a Tesla Model Y, this info is SUPER useful and encouraging. This S still looks super nice!! BTW, I've never gotten over 220k miles on any ICE car without it dying, and I've owned several.

[@alanmay7929]

Bullshit! Which brands were you buying?! Also how did they actually died?

[@usefulrandom1855]

@@alanmay7929 How is that bullshit lol, there are not many cars that do 220k miles aside from vans and rep cars up and down the motorway all day everyday. Most start to have series issues around 150k and are not worth repairing due to age/value.

[@getinthespace7715]

I've never driven an Ice car I didn't get over 200k in... 1 x 1992 buick regal custom 400k miles. 1 x 2006 subaru wrx tr. Drove it like I stole it every day for 200k miles and sold it. 1 x 2015 Subaru Forester. 225k miles on it and still going strong.

[@alanmay7929]

@@usefulrandom1855 wtf are you talking about!? what a very bad joke?! most vehicles definetly does way more than 200k miles, alot of vehicles are destroyed in accidents, storm, hail.... also insurances writes cars off with the literal small damage because they dont want to pay for repairs..... there are tons of problems to talk about. your number is based on what exactly?!

[@Neojhun]

@@alanmay7929 Dude 220K miles is not impressive. 300,000 Miles should be the standard for automotive industry regardless of ICE or BEV. All decently built passenger cars seem to be getting the same mileage lifespan.

[@xxwookey]

500kms/day most days is an awful lot of driving! This guy would do my annual mileage in less than 2 weeks. 415000 miles before the battery gets tired is pretty good. Not many ICE cars do more than 200,000 before being binned for one reason or another. My van is getting pretty tired at 186000 miles (and 25 years). You could keep it going longer but I'm not going to and I'm not sure anyone else is going to volunteer either.

[@raywhitehead730]

At 200,000 miles got a new engine and transmission for 8k USD. Lots cheaper then any new car of any type.

[@xxwookey]

@@raywhitehead730 Sure, you can do that (and I have - I got a whole replacement engine and upgrade to a turbo from NA for a bit under £1000 in 2003), but people mostly don't, because it's not cheaper than another second-hand car or at least for the same money and less faff you'll end in something nicer overall.

[@bikeman123]

​@@raywhitehead730And all the steering, suspension, air con, exhaust etc etc would be on the way to needing replacing as well.

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@raywhitehead730 was that actually a new from the factory engine and transmission? Or was it a rebuilt or used engine? Did that include the installation price? Many people make these comparisons to "the $20,000 for a battery", which is a new battery from the factory installed at the dealership. Need to compare same for same.

[@RebelRanger2009]

Is this show for September 6-8, for 2024? I went down to Redmond last year, and found out there was an electrify event on the same weekend here? My friend works for Hydro, and told me about it afterwards. I did get to drive a Model S Plaid, so that was cool.

[@markc293]

Good video, thanks

[@rodmitchell831]

Keep up the good fight Robert

[@BooBaddyBig]

Charging to 100% and then discharging it promptly is pretty good for the battery. It's when you leave it at 100% for long periods that you tend to get problems. But for most people charging only to 80% will give better battery life.

[@jlm4836]

I bought a 2018 model X, same time a friend got a 2019 Audi A7. Both about same klms/$. He said EV’s are catching fire 😳 I said an Audi isn’t very mechanically reliable 🧐 Last couple years our EV has been great. But his Audi had a $3500 repair at the dealership- cyl head repair (only had 75K klms).

[@ArtorMachine]

This video makes me more confident to build electric car. Thank You!

[@DeveloperChris]

This highlights my own reason for not getting an electric car yet. They are very economical if you do a lot of k's. But for me with an average of under 10k pa I can't justify the capital cost even with lower running and servicing costs. Until the secondhand market starts to really fire I am stuck with a gas guzzler

[@tysonn4736]

You can pick up a used Model 3 for $25k right now.

[@DeveloperChris]

@@tysonn4736 Nah I can't mate. I ain't in the US. I wish I could at that price. Also I don't like Tesla's lack of a proper dash so I am more likely to get something else.

[@rtmpgt]

@@DeveloperChris You can get used model 3s in the $45k mark here in Australia.

[@dejan.]

Yep, I ran the numbers for my parents and it’s not worth it. They would like one though so maybe just need to retire and start driving around more!

[@SocialDownclimber]

Yeah if you do very low km per year there is not really a need to go electric yet. We should be electrifying all the heavily used vehicles first, and worry about the low km ones later.

[@grahamcook9289]

What was the battery capacity left at 666,000kms, when replaced?

[@Reddylion]

Ya .

[@robertmontgomery7158]

2%?

[@xxwookey]

@@robertmontgomery7158 Clearly not. The guy was still using it as limo. So I guess at least 65%, probably rather more. It would have been good if they had said.

[@Neojhun]

Vast majority of the battery capacity still worked. It just errored out with operation failure. You are far more likely to have a battery fault before heavy battery degradation.

[@Neojhun]

@@xxwookey No more like 80% plus capacity still working.

[@kozhenidres314]

the important question what happens to the range after every 100,000 km or 1 year it doesn't matter how long the battery last more important is that how healthy the battery was before swap it with the new one

[@luisbraz-ruivo]

Actually read the comments and see how far owners have gone with 1 battery and how long it lasted (in terms of of % of SOC). These batteries are not like the lead acid batteries we know in ICE cars….

[@acefoxuk]

Crazy! Great stuff 👏🏻 😎

[@allocater2]

There is some chance, that Elon told engineers to make an error at 666,666 for the lulz.

[@leinad112]

I was thinking the same, and I wouldn't be surprised. Haha!

[@alanmay7929]

it was just hazard lol!!!

[@xxwookey]

@@epmoli You would hope someone told the battery warranty dept if so otherwise it's going to cost them over the long run.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

sounds like a cheeky Elon easter egg.

[@redolgreg]

​@@epmolimight be why he got a new pack.

[@ChunkyMonkaayyy]

Dude drives 300+ miles a day? Wow, that's a heck of a commute!!!

[@rp9674]

Horrible life

[@ChunkyMonkaayyy]

@@rp9674 I guess it depends on why he drives that far. I did read about a guy with 1million miles on his pickup. The story was about his truck, but in it they mentioned he delivered specialized medicine across a three state area. Could be something like that.

[@TB-up4xi]

@@ChunkyMonkaayyy Limo driver

[@Jin-Ro]

They clocked it for propaganda purposes.

[@barearerarehare]

​@@rp9674not in a tesla it's not

[@stephensharp975]

My 2015 tesla model s 85d is at 240,000kms battery at 90% original pads, motors etc, have had failed MCU and 3 door handles, +12v battery, washer fluid and lots of tyres.... pretty cheap to run with free supercharging

[@lavectech]

That's awesome, good on him for sharing his story.

[@johnfrancis4401]

This contradicts MSM.

[@seanlander9321]

No fuel costs to travel 500km a day!

[@MrKongatthegates]

electricity is usually not free, much cheaper than gas to usually

[@mikemellor759]

What a great find!😊

[@BH195829]

100% … I’m at 65,000 miles, about 100,000 KLMs… my model long range has lost 10 miles of range in 3 years and 100,000 KLMS! I’m down to 328 miles from 338! 🤣😂🤣😂💕😊

[@getinthespace7715]

Cool... I'd like to know the statistical probability of battery failure at a given mileage. Statistical outliers are fun but not necessarily relevant.

[@Neojhun]

The average trend is 300,000 miles to unstable dead for most EV battery under 13 years. That high mileage in short time accelerates degradation obviously. This is NOT outliers, this is the average trend.

[@getinthespace7715]

@@Neojhun based on what data? The Tesla models S hasn't even been around 12 years.

[@davidcottrell570]

@@getinthespace7715 Try a release date of 2009. Look it up on Wikipedia. I’m surprised too!

[@rupertrivett3961]

The number of the beast

[@danielcarroll3358]

When I was in college at a Catholic university our radio station had 666-6666 as the phone number. We eventually changed it because we would get calls from toddlers playing with the phone and occasionally an equipment failure would funnel calls to us from an exchange somewhere. We had fun telling callers from Texas, "No, we are in California. Why do you ask?" Remember, this was in the days of exorbitant long distance calls. "Oh mah Gawd... click"

[@thebarkingmouse]

I'm about to find out. My model 3 performance gets here is June.

[@samwilson2300]

A good genuine guy.

[@DriverJ-N]

Ice heads gonna be mad 😂

[@Snoopey0]

It's a shame you didn't speak with Nigel 5 months ago before his 666k battery pack died. What a beast

[@alanmay7929]

thats nothing impressive! there are tons of cars on the roads with similar milages ICE, and tons gets shipped to foreign countries which stays on the roads till they fall apart! in Marocco they are still driving mercedes taxis from the 70s, just imagine the milage on those.

[@Daddo22]

​@@alanmay7929nobody is trying to claim here that an ICE car can't get this mileage, but rather to point this out as a proof against the FUD BS about having to get a new battery every 2/3 years (of average, not this high yearly mileage driving), that somehow still retains it's hold in heads of a lot of people around the world. There was a comparison to ICE on the total cost, but no one really doubts that a well-cared-for ICE car that gets to "live" at a place with favourable climate (for example no road salt or other corrosion accelerating factors) can live past a million km, especially if it's a well designed yet simple car (e.g. turbos tend to make engines die sooner).

[@alanmay7929]

@@Daddo22 ICE have overall much harder life and when they are even older are sent to poor countries where these are severely overloaded, driven on very bad almost non existing roads or infrastructures for decades till they fall apart, no EV can do the same!

[@alanmay7929]

@@Daddo22 with ICE there is always a possibility to repair when something fails unlike EVs which it's more difficult let alone the battery degradation and the fast that you have way less range and relies on a very nice infrastructures built by ICE.

[@Daddo22]

@@alanmay7929 living in an Central/Eastern-European country, I see a lot of old ICE cars (a lot of them come from Germany or other, richer countries to our West) and the (relatively close) second thing after the usual ICE problems on the chart of problems that put cars out of the road for good is corrosion, which no car is impervious to. In terms of the longest lifespan (years of use or total time of active usage instead of mileage), however, passenger cars are dwarfed here by lories, tractors etc., which get decades of use by small farmers and construction companies and in every village here you can find small DIY tractors made from parts of vehicles that, usually, succumbed to corrosion. There are, however, no EVs of this category here at the moment, so unless the cost of fuel gets prohibitively high or the EV versions or conversions get significantly cheaper or subsidized, there will be ICE vehicles in daily use here for decades to come.

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

I have a tesla model y. Love it. While it's awesome that this particular car has lasted that long I'm interested to know why other vehicles have the batteries fail far earlier.

[@bz4743]

Bought an EV last year, albeit not a Tesla. But never going back to an ICE car. I’m lucky as I can charge at home off peak, in the UK the public charging network needs to be made more affordable

[@kneekoo]

That was one hell of a battery. 🤣

[@1964mcqueen]

That was a typical battery.

[@Neojhun]

@@1964mcqueen 666,000 kilometers reached near the point it had errors.

[@grahamcook9289]

With this kind of glowing praise for his Tesla Model S, Elon should reward him with a free Tesla Model S Plaid.

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

Can't believe that we have all the negative comments on a video about a car lasting a long time! What can't people just be happy that something worked well for someone else?

[@KP-xi4bj]

They're still mad that they didn't buy Tesla stocks when they were "cheap". LOL

[@oddjobsandrandomprojects]

@@KP-xi4bj Sounds about right.

[@thatcheapguy525]

there are always exceptions. Italian cars built in the 70s literally disolved in under 5 years but a few have survived for those of us who care to admire them. Toyota cars were the accountants choice for decades but an engine series tarnished that crown. the key with everything mass produced is in watching the trend and buying from the origin of those who provide the best longevity. I strongly suspect the longevity of identical Teslas made in the US, Germany and China will have different life cycles.

[@Whatshisname346]

That's one evil Tesla

[@Reddylion]

666 oh

[@Neojhun]

Welp the Battery was hellish, it has since been exorcised.

[@Ryukachoo]

Its becoming extremely clear that thermal control is key to battery longevity, and cars with worse battery cooling/cook their batteries too hard dont get much mileage out of them The high power teslas like the plaids are particularly guilty of this

[@gazza595]

The typical motorists are not going to buy a Plaid though are they. Such cars are eye catchers. It's the work a day cars like the car in the piece that reflect real world conditions.

[@jamesengland7461]

You allege Plaids are guilty, but have you any evidence? Fact is, they perform so well precisely because they manage the battery pack so well, and in normal driving, use the smallest fraction of their power routinely.

[@Ryukachoo]

@@jamesengland7461 regular Teslas are great and their batteries will last an obscenely long time, but plaids chew in pretty quick, as backed up by a couple of those remaining battery charts which show the plaid battery graph points as being clustered lower

[@TheBowerbird]

The Plaids have fantastic battery cooling. You're clearly ignorant.

[@Ryukachoo]

@@TheBowerbird the cooling is great but the plaid really really taxes those cells on discharge, and I don't think they upgraded the cooling paths inside the pack itself for the plaid

[@hillbillytc5653]

Yeah wish i had that in my tesla the battery needed to be replaced with 55k and they but a refurbished one cause Tesla can do whatever they want

[@MegaKrustyman]

So good.

[@jamie-ck6js]

What would be a lot more useful would be to know the average mileage before a battery fault occurs. You can find one off ICE cars that have done very high mileage, it proves nothing unfortunately.

[@simonjohn7011]

The big question that didn't get asked was what the range on the battery was prior to swapping the battery over... 100 miles of range or less on a full charge?

[@jamesengland7461]

There was nothing to report. The only problem, as he told us! , was an error message.

[@simonjohn7011]

@@jamesengland7461 I wasn’t talking about the issue with the battery. Simply asking after such high mileage what kind of range can you expect, i.e. Battery degradation?

[@Apjooz]

@simonjohn7011 If you know the term battery degradation you should have some kind of idea about the numbers involved. 20% degradation is rare and 30% doesn't seem to happen at all really.

[@simonjohn7011]

@@Apjooz I’m not anti EV so don’t get the wrong idea. However, there’s a video recently uploaded to YT about a 2nd hand Model 3 that had ‘only’ done less than half the mileage of this Model S and the range was less than 100 miles per charge. So it had dropped well over 50% in range.

[@Apjooz]

@@simonjohn7011 Oh a video changes everything.

[@tiagomilhazes43543]

Here in portugal we have a couple model S with more than 100000 km...

[@Mrtweet81]

My 2017 Model X had a new battery put in at 120.000km last year

[@Snoopey0]

Battery tech has come a looong way since the dreadful leaf batteries

[@brunomadeira8432]

The Leaf never got a chance without proper cooling.

[@zxcvbnmdb]

not really you are misinformed.

[@RupertReynolds1962]

Battery tech (and management) have come a long way, but I wouldn't call the Leaf 'dreadful', just a bit under-engineered. And hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[@lsh3rd]

Depends on the year LEAF... Nissan did some good things with the 2018 and newer batteries.

[@alanmay7929]

the batteries of the leaf were actually excellent, its just the thermal managment that killed them so quickly lol!!!! dont make a comment without knowing what youre talking about please!

[@officialyasir]

666k km is equal to 413k miles, not half a million miles as Robert causally rounded up 😂. It’s impressive nonetheless.

[@MegaWilderness]

It would only be impressive if the warranty was for that distance

[@ianwright308]

@@MegaWildernessit was, they replaced the battery.

[@alanwells382]

​@@MegaWildernessit was under warranty... I guess you didn't watch the ep.

[@lsh3rd]

@@MegaWilderness ...and 413K miles is not impressive??

[@martineyles]

Yes, but the warranty is limited to 8 years, so most people will have run out of warranty well before 600,000 kilometres.

[@54mgtf22]

Excellent.

[@tdcattech]

Real experience instead of rumour and speculation. Nice to see.

[@bucklelanefarm]

Autoalex recently bought a 2016 model S with 550k miles on.

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

That reported 130 mile range and managed to do about half of it.

[@ridley68]

​@@mikapeltokorpi7671strange that, I have just watched him drive over 260 miles on a charge in that Tesla. So BS

[@SteadVex]

​​@@mikapeltokorpi7671yea just watched the video and couldn't beleive he did 250 plus miles on it

[@Neojhun]

@@mikapeltokorpi7671 Why did you have to LIE? He just released a video where he basically did 260 miles.

[@Just_a_random_birb]

@@mikapeltokorpi7671 Did you even watch the video?

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

And the remaining range was? With the original battery, I mean.

[@TL-xv9of]

Recently saw on a german yt channel a M3 with just over 300kkm. Battery degradation was 12%. Total cost of ownership so far 0,26€/km, net.

[@TrumanBurbankFE]

A lot of sixes, hmm. I guess it's Lucifer's car then.

[@christopherbrand5360]

Lucifer's battery pack, and he got it back swapping it out for a fresh one

[@mrmawson2438]

Solid state batteries are finally about to be used in EV's this year The Electric Viking

[@Just_a_random_birb]

BS

[@69memnon69]

And cold fusion will become mainstream this year as well /s

[@luked237]

Interested to know what the battery status was at the change

[@brendanoreilly4846]

i have to say im very impressed with this owners experience with his tesla ,

[@jvsa89]

I recommend to the host not to assent while the guest is talking, it's a little annoying to watch the video.

[@leehargreaves7473]

Yeah right ... he has over 1million subscribers.

[@thilinarupasinghe7968]

@@leehargreaves7473🤣Nice Reply

[@gerbre1]

I single battery is not a proof. The relevant numbers are average and maybe median. I just saw a video with a TM3 battery replaced after 55000 km.

[@TheAegisClaw]

There's a lot of very high mileage ones out there now. Sure, the odd one has a problem, but that's what warranties are for.

[@gerbre1]

@@TheAegisClaw There are high mileage batteries and there are not so much high mileage batteries. Therefore I'm interested in average numbers but I don't know any. In case of the TM3 battery the replacement battery already had 144,000 km done. The owner was not so happy.

[@davidcottrell570]

Covered by warranty. Yes, you can get a bad one sometimes. But the thing about ICE cars is that they are a lot more complicated, with more to go wrong. It takes a couple of hours to drop a battery and replace it, but dealers are still getting up to speed with the technology. It’s a bit like the charging network, where work is definitely needed (Getting Tesla supercharger access will help). It’s going to be a lot easier once the service people have caught up and the charging network is more reliable. I’ve not had any problems so far.

[@gerbre1]

@@davidcottrell570 It would definitely help, if broken batteries or inverters in EVs could be fixed without replacing when the warranty no longer exists. It would help to sell and buy used EVs and it would strengthen the switch from fossils to EVs. Currently many people only feel save with warranty.

[@davidcottrell570]

@@gerbre1 I’ve not heard of inverters burning out, though it probably happens if the cooling fails. They’re covered under warranty and while not cheap, are easier to replace than repair. Batteries, ditto. I know KZbin’s Bjørn Nyland’s friends in Oslo do a good business fixing bad cells in the packs of older Leafs and so on, but I’m hoping that if the manufacturers don’t step up with remanufacturing and recycling, that aftermarket rebuilders step in with a value added service, allowing for core replacement rebates, and offering discounted, tested rebuilt batteries and inverters. If your 15 year old battery needs replacement, it makes sense to get a rebuilt one at 50-60% the price of a new unit, just as ICE owners do for engines and transmissions for older cars.

[@GlenisRetiredNZ]

Crazy to think the newer batteries coming out are much better. I average 10,000km year. Even at 15,000km it's 40 years, I'll be dead well before then lol

[@Dashcams_co_uk]

What size was the original battery? its good if Tesla might start allowing upgraded size for the older Model S's.

[@69memnon69]

Mileage is less important than age.

[@xxwookey]

Well, it's different. Some aspects of wear are linear with mileage, others with age. The overall effect is a combination of both, with a sprinkling of confounding temperature/UV and other factors (most notably road salt in places they use it). So yeah paint and electrics is mostly time. Bearings is mostly distance.

[@69memnon69]

@@xxwookey talking specifically about the battery. It’s a bit like a perishable in your fridge.

[@jamesbarca7229]

It doesn't prove that EV batteries last longer than you think, it only proves that that one battery pack lasted a long time. It's like pointing at a 120-year-old and saying that people live longer than you think, when the average person only lives to 78.

[@TheBowerbird]

Yeah except there are lots of other high mileage EVs out there like this with fantastic battery longevity.

[@Just_a_random_birb]

@@TheBowerbird Name them please.

[@whocares264]

don't be silly

[@siimtulev1759]

I would like to see interior

[@andrewmutavi590]

Mighty impressive

[@leea659]

That’s like saying because a human lived to 114 then all humans will do the same

[@FirstDan2000]

The humans that look after themselves are in with a chance of matching that age. It's simply a good indication and a reason to be hopeful.

[@69Buddha]

Or like saying because an EV battery caught fire that all EV batteries will do the same. But we'd never see that sensationalized, right?