This video will not age well... - AMD Radeon RX 7900 Series Review

[@olishant]

I would love to have Linus commit to doing another follow-up review of these cards in 6-12 months. Considering the bulk of what he talked about was framed with the potential of driver improvements improving actual results, I think it would be useful to see if this comes to fruition.

[@mhsbosco]

maybe even retroactively test 6000 series, as from what I understood, they got the FineWine treatment?

[@mb00001]

That wasn't the bulk, he spent the first minute on it then closed out with it in the last 2 minutes.. most of the rest was comparisons

[@olishant]

@@mb00001 I said it was framed with it. I did not say it was the bulk of what he talked about. The premise was "this is the performance now, but based on AMD's track record, it may improve".

[@AlexKidd4Fun]

Given the XTX is officially going into his personal rig, I'm pretty sure we will get update videos like what you're asking for.

[@kiloneie]

Hardware Unboxed did that with 6950xt and i am quite sure they will do it again(they did it for more than just 6950xt).

[@anderson92]

Would love to see a 3-month or 6-month follow-up to see if their drivers did in fact improve.

[@yahyasajid5113]

They won't, well not a noticeable amount

[@Gatorade69]

@@yahyasajid5113 I am glad we have some insider knowledge here !

[@melcorchancla9431]

@@Gatorade69 he’s right tho, you’ll only see better perfs in upcoming games.

[@discontinuity]

@@yahyasajid5113 They will, my Rx580 gets a nice 20% boost on frames 3 months after games drop

[@swapnilgohil7280]

@@Gatorade69 so do you have?

[@BenyaminLorit]

Holy crap, I thought this video was approaching its end by past the 7-minute mark only to see it wasn't even half way. So much in-depth information in here. Thanks for the hard work, guys!

[@kendokaaa]

Their older review videos just weren't enough to make an informed decision compared to other review channels. I get that this is less of a technical channel but a review should contain the information you need to choose a product so I'm glad they're doing more

[@SubzeroBlack68]

Same, at the 6:35 mark I hopped off Fullscreen mode to move it to by side monitor when I realized how much time was left on it.

[@_M.Silva_]

I miss the days of getting a top of the line GPU for $500

[@marekvesely3725]

inflation + mining, what can you do...

[@sujimayne]

1. inflation 2. Graphics cards are now more in demand than ever before 3. Graphics cards are now as powerful and as efficient as ever before Cost for performance is going down overall, but it takes time and you have to count in the features and graphical fidelity that all of the new cards allow for.

[@Thanatos833]

The bitcoin craze showed manufacturers that graphics cards were price elastic, so they decided to fleece the consumers for as much as the former would tolerate.

[@Astelch]

I think if mining never became a thing i could imagine the 4090 being priced at 800-1000 usd which is fair

[@DavidRFIT]

Yeah, like, in the 90s?

[@yassineaqallal8167]

I don't know about others but I'd like to see some benchmarks of the RX 7000 series from now and re-test them 2 years later to check for performance difference

[@VesperAegis]

All I can say is I want to replace my 4090 RTX with this card about as much as I want an enema.

[@charlyy1337]

Nice. I’d rather buy a high end GPu now rather than wait 2 years and take a gamble 😂

[@domaxltv]

People in the comments coping that this near-top dog GPU lineup doesn't outperform their fancy 4090s at literal hundreds of dollars cheaper... After someone expressed their curiosity about how these cards will perform in the future... I swear even cavemen used to be more sensible than this

[@aarvlo]

@@VesperAegis but the 4090 is 50% more expensive

[@Gatorade69]

@@domaxltv Nah. Cavemen were still tribal too.

[@milesbarrineau1584]

I made the switch to a 6900xt, three months back. I got it new for $600 (before tax) which for me is the most I have ever spent on a gpu, but not by a ton. I have been super happy with it. It's wasn't necessarily a plug and play experience for me switching from Nvidia but after a few days of learning the differences between team read and green and adjusting accordingly, I have been super happy.

[@bjorn-falkoandreas9472]

I have a 6800XT. We both can safely this round out. And given for how much those sell these days they are a serious option who only wants to play at 1440p and has no interest in raytracing.

[@belongaskip]

Curious why was it not a plug and play? Ideally that's what you do with a gpu.

[@thomask5434]

Only problem i see atm with these cards is: Coil whine. Others spoke about it. Its goddamn terrible. So it seems, wait for third party cards.

[@milesbarrineau1584]

@@belongaskip I guess in the literal sense it was. I had a few minor issues though. Adrenaline broke when I first installed it and I had to reinstall it, and my motherboard also didn't want to enable SAM initially (still don't know what changed, but it's enabled now) and a few other small things like that. I also found that if I didn't increase power target on my particular card it would cause some... Entertaining issues in low power games. I got all that figured out in less than a week of messing with it on and off and have been super happy since.

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

I am middle aged so I've had several Nvidia, AMD and ATI before they were bought by AMD, video cards, as well as others before them (Voodoo etc). Recently I had AMD RX 580 that I bought from a miner in the crash of 2019 for $90. I know right, mining crashes, we've already had 2 in 3 years. Anyway that card is still working great, I gave it away even though it was worth $250 at the time about a year ago. Currently I have NVIDIA RTX 1080 Ti 11GB and it plays games well. I'm only on 1080p, but according to Steam's Hardware Monitor so are most of you :-) I haven't had any problems with the AMD or Nvidia cards or their drivers for several years. There is a driver remover application you can download to run on Windows If you have a driver that stuck. I always uninstall the driver before I remove the card. Then I power off the machine. Then remove the card, the driver had just been removed before I powered off. Put in the the next card, switch on, install that driver. I find that uninstalling the driver before removing the hardware makes everything smooth.

[@LinusTechTips]

Small correction for the graph at 3:34 - the numbers for the 6900XT in this chart are incorrect because they're not for F1 but for a different racing game, Forza V. The correct numbers for the 6900XT in F1 22 at 4K are as follows: Average: 145 5% low: 132 1% low: 127 Also, a note about the graph at 12:11. While our data is correct, the manner in which it is displayed is not. This graph should have been broken into two, with one showing Total Graphics Power and one showing Total Board Power (which you can access on our forum, linked below). Our video's power conclusions remain unchanged, but we wanted to be sure that you had all of the data for yourself. linustechtips.com/topic/1473515-this-video-will-not-age-well-amd-radeon-rx-7900-series-review/?do=findComment&comment=15705169

[@nothing5987]

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[@solocamo3654]

Please pin this as I came here to post that outlier, thanks.

[@joshuakroesch6906]

The charts starting @4:08 have the AMD cards listed as 6900XT and 6950XT and not the 7900 series ones, is this a mistake as well?

[@luigius8590]

@@joshuakroesch6906 no. The 7900 xtx is in blue

[@Face_RC]

The charts at 3:34 are for Forza V. I think the charts that have the mistake are at 3:41, the 6900XT in the F1 22 charts is abnormally low. Also which 6900XT was used to test? I feel like a 6900XTXH card like the AsRock Formula OC should have been much closer to the 6950XT.

[@anmolagrawal5358]

12:44 This frame capping at a relevant frame rate is probably one of the best additions to this video. This was NEEDED. Sure, its efficient at 200+ framerates but how much power it draws at a perceptibly high frame rate is what matters to the end user. Nice job with that one and kudos to the one who gave this idea!

[@KXP70]

Yet they chose to test the efficiency per frame on a game that the 7000 series does bad at...

[@shanez1215]

BTW they managed to fix this issue with the January drivers.

[@thisguy2973]

users dont care about power; they care how Tifa’s assets look lol

[@breadone_]

@@thisguy2973they sure care about heat though.

[@NedransVikingar]

Ehrm, what? If power draw is that important then don't buy a gaming computer. You're obviously too poor to own one because you worry about your power bill. The only thing that matters is the amount of FPS.

[@PixelShade]

As a 6600XT owner I can vouch for how well supported the cards have been and how much performance has improved over the year of owning it... Heck, even RT performance isn't as bad as initial reviews made them out to be, in many cases it is close to the 3060. meanwhile rasterized performance is far better. Then AMD dropped the bomb with OpenGL and DX11 performance improvements that increased performance seriously in slightly older games.... Sure, I had the "black screen of death" issue that made the rounds. For me, AMD's drivers wasn't the fault, it had to do with my ASRock motherboards overclocking tool, it had a unresolved conflict with Radeon Software's overclocking utility. Once the motherboard software was uninstalled and I only used Radeon Software + Ryzen Master the system hasn't skipped a beat. Crashes has been near to non-existent. I am super happy switching from Nvidia to AMD.

[@mexicanoaao]

RX 6600 owner here, i have been thoroughly enjoying the performance of this card and have been pleasantly surprised at the 1440p performance of modern games. Even streamed last night and saw no dropped frames

[@rubenalvar3253]

6600XT is a phenomenal card for its price if you want to play 1440p at ~60 fps and high settings. You don't even have to install Ryzen Master, do your overclock at Bios level

[@Bigboii7]

I would not be happy

[@PixelShade]

​@@mexicanoaao Totally agree, especially now with FSR 2.1. (which often mitigates the slightly "lesser" performance at 1440p) I'm running Cyberpunk at ~85-105fps, with optimized settings using FSR 2.1 Quality at 1440p. And even when doing so I actually prefer the FSR image over native 1440p with TAA due to the added detail from the advanced temporal accumulation. The card got a lot of bad rep at release, but I have been genuinely positively surprised during my time with it. Amazing value.

[@PixelShade]

@@rubenalvar3253 that's true. However, Ryzen Master is pretty phenominal of creating custom frequency curves for each core massively lowering power consumption meanwhile maxing performance scaleability. having a constant overclock is a no-go for me, I much rather prefer something efficient these days. :)

[@macse7en]

Really hoping more people will give AMD a shot this go around. My 5600x + 6700XT has been the best rig I’ve ever built.

[@zombiehedgehog98]

Im currently using a rx6600 and it's a banging GPU for the price I paid for it

[@rinkyouma2320]

If I had the money, I would love to get AMD's latest gpu immediately.

[@meidy3795]

@@zombiehedgehog98 Me too

[@twitchcoolbob66]

I'm upgrading from my 5700XT It's a good card and I can OC to 2ghz but man does blower life suck

[@chrisvicera6696]

Im on basically the same system and I agree. I just upgraded cuz my old pc died a few months ago and I don't regret a thing

[@AmritGrewal31]

The only thing that aged well is the Canadian health system memes

[@JoeWayne84]

AMD sucks so bad they are a generation behind.

[@sjoerdtheemperor5229]

@@JoeWayne84 With 20% better fps/$

[@NeckbeardIndustries]

What's that? You tripped and hurt your knee a bit ? Have you considered killing yourself? We Care™

[@Combatpzman]

@@AustinCameron Feel free to become a doctor or nurse to improve the shortages,

[@apocorn2.056]

@@Combatpzman why would you need a doctor to install a chairlift

[@mariokingplayer7497]

In case there was any doubts about the whole "dramatic improvement brought by driver optimizations" thing I'd like to point to the 6600(non xt) which I currently own and bought under the impression that it was a 1080p max settings graphics card. A card which was not marketed to support 4k and didn't. Before I updated my drivers I could maybe squeeze out 30-40 fps WITH SETTINGS AUTO OPTIMIZED FOR THE CARD at 4k resolution in doom 2016. I can now play it on ultra settings in 4k at 60fps with FSR off (maximum frame increase by about 5-10 with it on). Maybe not the best benchmarking game but the fact that a $200-$300 card marketed as an entry level 1080p graphics card can support 4k to any capacity should speak plenty to the significance of these optimizations.

[@austinfowler2707]

What about 1440p? As 4k is a situational resolution (big enough tv/monitor and distance from it), maybe you can let us know how that works out, as a 1440p 120hz monitor is about 150 compared to a 4k 120 at 400+

[@mariokingplayer7497]

@@austinfowler2707 true and I agree unfortunately I have yet to get ahold of a 1440p monitor for my setup to test it on but from what I'm aware of it's a very capable card at 1440p considering what it can do in 1080p is already really good imo

[@carrickdubya4765]

sweet spot in gaming is 80+ fps so with FSR you should hit it - 👍

[@joshmaag2457]

@@mariokingplayer7497my buddy has a 6700xt and runs everything at high to ultra settings on 1440 and the thing literally is crushing it still today. His card working so good has talked me into going 7900xt over the 4070 TI that I though I was going to get. I don’t care about 4k or Ray tracing. I just want to play my fps competitive shooters and a good frame rate on 1440. So going nvidia makes no sense to me other than being able to tell people I have a invidia card. It don’t hold as much clout as it used to haha. The real issue I have is what cpu to get so it doesn’t get bottle necked and will be alright when I update to the next generation gpu

[@spiltradiationgam3r319]

​@joshmaag2457 don't know if you got your card yet, but 100% recommend the 7900xt, can run pretty much anything ultra with no issues. Been thinking about getting the 7900xtx for mgpu just because I like the 7900xt so much.

[@aaronroach837]

I understand that you guys are under tight time constraints to get these reviews out quickly, so I'm glad to see this card. Something I'd like to see as a follow-up video once the mad rush is over with is benchmarks compared to previous-gen Nvidia cards like the 3080/3090 to let people who have been holding off know if it's worth upgrading.

[@garykey3473]

Actually we fully tested the 3090TI and 3080 as part of this review. We will have those results up in the forums this week.

[@impooping69]

@@garykey3473 good to know! Definitely would have liked to see that in the video though; I’m not finding anything on YT that compares the two yet

[@Stark344]

You can watch gamers nexus he compared the 7900xtx with these cards I think

[@andrewg2536]

Check out Hardware Unboxed review

[@__Mr.White__]

100% These Benchmarks are so cumbersome to read without last gen GPUs to compare

[@theconfusedllama]

I wouldn't say I'm an Nvidia fanboy, just comfortable with sticking with one or the other. That being said, if the 50 or 60 series don't get cheaper then I'm most likely going AMD for the next upgrade

[@nlksh]

Was thinking the same here!

[@ahmedalamoudi931]

THAT PICUTRE ALMOST GOT ME

[@josephk1342]

Why would they get cheaper?

[@TTKChristo]

Yeah, I bought a 30 series card so nVidia has this generation as a fuck-up on pricing since I upgrade every 2nd gen. If the 50 series is still fucking us over, I will likely head to AMD for the first time, ever. (And I've been building PCs for over 11 years now).

[@dougkomonkeyboy8020]

yup same

[@BrodieFairhall]

I'm very interested to see the improvements in professional use scenarios as drivers and OpenCL improve. I'm also very happy to see so many other metrics in this video outside of FPS! On Linux, the lack of interest from NVIDIA in drivers already means that the 6900XT in my personal rig absolutely thrashes my NVIDIA cad workstation. I'd love to see some comparisons on Linux.

[@TheCustomFHD]

+1 Linux

[@csharpcoffee]

That would actually be very cool! I don't personally use Linux as my daily driver but it would definitely bring a new perspective, especially with Linux being a more and more popular platform for gaming, along with AI based computing being largely developed on Linux or using Linux based docker containers.

[@bingbing3464]

@@csharpcoffee if speaking of AI, amd gpu still have a long way to go. And docker containers, nvidia have a toolkit for that. AMD doesnt.

[@TheCustomFHD]

@@csharpcoffee as i daily ArchLinux, i might even be willing to set stuff up for them.

[@tantroe-biff696]

Nvidia really is an asshole company. It's too bad that they make such good GPUs

[@JMaximusIX]

Great video, one small critisism: it‘s really confusing how you switch the blue and yellow colors for the XT and XTX back and forth between the graphs, made me always have to double check which one‘s which.

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

You best be paying attention when pullin that trigger mate, he's just readying you for your final buying decision. "OH GOD NEWEGG JUST SWITCHED THE COLOURS ON ME AGAIN I BOUGHT AN OPEN BOX 4080 FOR $1500 INSTEAD FFFFFFFUUU"

[@dragonkiin]

@@pandemicneetbux2110 ikr lmao it's not even a minor inconvenience

[@syf_jojiahhh2834]

@@dragonkiin that's actually exactly what it is though.

[@Jack-vd8cd]

It is because he wants his viewers to be more interactive with the videos he post so the algoritm hits that view timer

[@mobilechaosyt]

AMD has gotten better especially in the past when drivers were always an issue with no update in sight, the new AMD has a decent driver team that can optimize, but we do with those optimizations came at the beginning of the lifecycle instead of the end.

[@macse7en]

I can vouch. I bought a 6700XT in august, with slight skepticism with the drivers, and have no complaints. I did have to roll back an “optional” driver update cause it caused issues with one specific game, but other than that, nothing.

[@LRM12o8]

I switched from an RX480 to an RTX2080 Super half a year ago and I've already had it to the limit Nvidia's drivers! I often have the problem that the driver "forgets" my settings and the contrast is off, but when I try to launch Nvidia control panel to fix it, the GUI doesn't launch half the time or launches, but the menu I need to access (and most other menus) is missing. The whole internet is still complaining about AMDs drivers being buggy, yet I experience all the annoying bugs with Nvidia, while my AMD card worked just fine. I can't wait to get back to AMD!

[@twitchcoolbob66]

@STOP TRANSLATING VIDEO TITLES! Yeah, adrenaline is light-years ahead. I have had a few issues here and there but that was kinda caused by me when Over clocking.

[@Blackbirdone11]

allways this driver BS from 10 years ago. since then the driver got a whole rewrite.... NVIDIA driver sucks ass and noone cares about... and the 7900XTX shows it, why is the 4080 30% slower than a 7900XTX on some games but on par on most of the others? DRIVERS

[@mohammadsakka5831]

Yeah damnit we borrowed a workstation from a friend for a day to do a render because my machine was already rendering something else the workstation we borrowed was an amd gpu power pc (not sure about the model it was probably 4 years ago) it was crushing under load very frequently to a point that made me give up using it

[@sageDieuvids]

I'd love to see a video outlining the GPU testing process, and explaining in more detail what each of the benchmarks is testing for. I especially find all the productivity and non-gaming benchmarks really interesting, like what's the difference between medical/life sciences, etc.

[@arnox4554]

Exactly. Is LTT testing for FP64 performance as well? Yeah, I get it, it's not very relevant at all for stuff outside simulation workloads, but at the same time, if the 7900 XT has decent FP16 performance along with decent RT cores, FP32, AND FP64, then this may be the first card made that can "do it all".

[@Dr.Spatula]

Have you checked to see if it's on the labs site?

[@jamesclark5905]

@@Dr.Spatula The labs website isnt live yet

[@Neoxon619]

I’m just glad AMD is becoming an actual competitor in the GPU space again, especially with Nvidia going wild with the pricing (not to mention the size & the lack of a modern DisplayPort standard).

[@JoeWayne84]

Hahaha the display port cope

[@lilkidsuave]

the display port is overkill, I'm just glad for competition

[@mstreurman]

How did you watch a whole video of 20minutes that was uploaded 3minutes ago in a minute?

[@Neoxon619]

@@mstreurman I skimmed through the video at 2x speed.

[@dougr8646]

Weak AF

[@pogolol009]

Love how sustainability and power consumption is getting highlighted, even when Linus isn’t much affected of it, shows that Linus takes his role as reviewer seriously.

[@adritrace88]

You forget his team

[@XaviarCraig]

My first flagship was the Radeon 9800 Pro which was 400 bucks and it got flac for upping the price of its flagship of both ATI and nVidia. Nowadays that's entry level QQ

[@wraith6289]

My only problem with him talking about the power consumption is he doesn't discuss how you can change the fan curve with the AMD radeon software which can definitely affect the power consumption

[@Maku98_]

Aged like milk

[@DGBomber]

Thank you guys. I would love to see performance in VR for the new generation, both via cable and Air Link if you can. It's really a selling point for every VR user

[@thenonexistinghero]

I dunno if it's improved much. I think they'd have mentioned it if they cared.

[@matr1x327]

I believe they don’t test fr games due to their adaptive resolution and other vr typical tech. I may be wrong on the specifics there but it was mentioned in a previous wan show

[@wolfgangjr74]

Im on the same boat as well. Always on the lookout for VR performance improvements.

[@666Tomato666]

@@thenonexistinghero Linus said on WAN that they have problems consistently benchmarking VR

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@666Tomato666 I was talking about AMD. If they made significant improvements to VR, AMD would've been bragging about it.

[@rookless4121]

AMD always has my respect with their driver updates. My best value GPU the RX 580 got some significant performance improvements by the time I wanted to upgrade.

[@BlizzardWind99]

yeah the downside is just the power draw is too much but hopefully rdna will age better with lower power than the previous gen

[@plasmahvh]

yeah and its still equal to 1060 and was 6 years ago

[@brianlam5847]

@@sammiller6631 then go nvidia if you want performance

[@MrRolnicek]

Open source drivers would always take the victory. But then you put it against nVidia who decided to let their drunk intern write their drivers and ANYTHING else seems like a good driver.

[@nabber1383]

Had my RX480 for 6 years before replacing it with a 3080. Didn't even replace it because it broke, I just wanted something faster lol. Fantastic cards.

[@dbdcheese]

Love the extensive Productivity benchmark. That was always something which came short, glad to see it being improved.

[@phuzz00]

I had the opposite reaction, I felt it was a bit pointless testing a gaming GPU for workloads that would be better off with a Radeon Pro or Quadro. I guess there's not much difference between the gaming and pro GPUs though.

[@bocahdongo7769]

@@phuzz00 Until you realize Nvidia Optix is a monster for 3D rendering task, miles ahead compare to even most powerful AMD. The only thing that stopped large scale pro user for using Geforce card is only Nvidia really cut it up the VRAM count, when they need capacity more than just speed. And it only getting worse because Gamers would shill the hell out of it. Nvidia really know what they are doing

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

It helps that they have people paid to test things and that's all they do.

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

@@phuzz00 Fact is, it isn't just gamers that buy these cards. It may be the majority. You might not care but this review isn't meant for just you.

[@bohomazdesign725]

@@bocahdongo7769 technically since AMD updated their hardware in this gen they could introduce their version of OTPiX, but whoever knows why they are trying to brutforce their own rendering engine for multiple 3D softwares which does worse than the native rendering engines (ok, it handles glass pretty well in Blender, but thats about it in terms of advantages). But there is actually one case that might be interesting now about the new gen AMD GPUs and thats the next top tire Radeon Pro card that will probably have 48GB for a similar price as the prev gen which means cheap access to huge memory resources.

[@mr.guillotine1312]

I feel like we are owed an updated take on this. Pretty big price drops, driver improvements, and maybe even toss in the GRE? Just a thought.

[@ABaumstumpf]

A 3080 for comparison, specially for RT, would have been nice. Also as you were one of the people saying that a RTX 2060 is basically useless for raytracing - that would now also be nice to see how it does hold up.

[@BlackAxe101]

2060 can do 45-60 FPS @1440 with DLSS + Raytracing high in most newer AAA singleplayers. Totally acceptable if you don't mind DLSS, I personally hate it, at least on 20 series. Have a 2070 and DLSS feels like antialiasing got turned off, white jagged edges on everything. Personally DLSS is a deal breaker so the 2060 would be a useless RT card in my case. Can definitely vary if you don't mind DLSS looks, or can change more settings for better image beyond upscaling. I've tried a ton of settings, and didn't ever like how DLSS looked in my games.

[@FlergerBergitydersh]

Haven't done a ton of testing, but the Shadow of the Tomb Raider Benchmark at 1080p gives 50 - 80fps in Ultra RT on the 2060 (around 70 average) without DLSS and near max other settings. The recent Quake RT Source Port gives 39fps without DLSS, and around 75 with DLSS Quality. DLSS 2.2.6 works the best, and I think it almost looks better than native because it actually smooths out the aliasing, strangely enough.

[@ABaumstumpf]

​​ BlackAxe101 Yeah but that is why it is that i would like to have that as a comparison. If somebody claims that a card will be too weak for XYZ in the future then they should also include it in future reviews that deal with XYZ. We now have reviews for 40-30 series, and 30-20 series, but with some long time in between and little overlap of the benchmarks. The 3060 test for shadow of the tom raider was on 1080p "heighest preset, ray traced shadows ultra", here the 4080 and 7900s are with 1440p, "highest preset, DXR On" - are the presets still the same? And what exactly is DXR on? Even with that the resolution is also different. At the very least the last gen 30series should have been included.

[@selohcin]

Digital Foundry says the 7900 XTX has similar or slightly better native-resolution ray tracing performance as an RTX 3090.

[@BlackAxe101]

@@ABaumstumpf I can agree only comparing four cards is pretty weak when we look at gamers nexus that has a much bigger test sample to compare. As you said they would have to re test the 2060 as they only tested it at 1080, and they already had to cut some of the things they’d like to cover supposedly. So time wasn’t enough to stretch things even farther. Luckily with older cards many people have done extensive testing and you can compare a 2060 to a 4080 pretty easily, or 2060 for XYZ as you say. Then come compare those results here with the 4080 vs 7900 for comparison on how AMD stacks up. Unfortunate the answer isn’t right in one place, but generally speaking with pcs is it ever really?

[@starswater]

This feels like a much more rounded review that your usual reviews. Is this the lab coming into play? I'm really grateful for it either way, this is more like what I've wanted to see! It'll help me get a much better idea of what I'm looking at, and help me better judge what I should get based on my actual use case - which isn't just gaming, certainly not the most recent titles.

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

This was a good review. Best one in a while. There was detailed knowledge about the products. There have been some weak reviews recently where they just open the box and try to wing it, even telling us incorrect information, getting things wrong. For a product review, that's just not fair on the product or us. Their quality control has really suffered. For me, it has affected LTT reputation. If I'm googling a product I'm thinking of buying and a video review comes up from LTT then I know now that I can't trust it to have accurate information. There's a good chance they will just open the box and wing it and get stuff wrong. Seeing this review has shown detailed knowledge, accuracy, investigational depth to find out what's going on. I do find them wearing these tight warm hats inside a bit weird to watch on a video though. I think a shelf or some other stand with a few of their t-shirts and hats behind them would be a better sale but what do I know. LTT is very successful so they obviously know what they're doing!

[@oldbot64]

Are you sure you havent confused them with Shortlink? Edit: I mean shortcircuit.

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

I feel like there’s a bit of bias in the lab but they reviews are okay. Saying these GPU’s are space heaters because they draw 40w at idle is dumb. I also strongly disagree with them theorizing these GPU’s are possibly 6800/6800xt replacements. They aren’t, they are 6800xt and 6900xt replacements, which means we will see a 7950xtx that will compete with the 4090 and after refinement compete with the inevitable 4090ti

[@sami-iami]

I disagree. Even Linus at the end had to justify being too nice to AMD. I didn’t like that. If you have to make an excuse for why you’re being overly nice to a product then you’re doing something wrong IMO.

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

@@sami-iami He had to justify it because they know a large part of the audience are Nvidia shills who will somehow try claiming it makes any sense to pay $600 more (without counting the new PSU and maybe even new case you'd need for it) for a slightly better GPU that is only better because it pulls 500-650+ watts and is the size of a car.

[@d-man422]

I like how you sort the graphs now after who performs best top to bottom

[@FoxMaccloud]

Noticed the same. For the Nvidia review they sorted by brand then performance, so it looked like Nvidia would always be on top.

[@juan_w_fer]

Yeah, however I would certainly appreciate it if they highlighted the position of the "protagonist" product(s) of the video somehow. It's hard to quickly scan and parse how the new generation performs relative to the older one (5:46 is a good example, with the RX7900 XT in between the 6900 series GPUs), especially now that they "jump around" depending on their placement and it's aggravated by the fast-paced and chart-heavy style that ltt videos have always had. Listening to the host make a point while trying to extrapolate their argument from a complex chart sucks. I either have to pause the video and miss the script, or listen along and miss the data. (I wonder if this is actually positive or negative for the channel considering thet some people have to replay the video or parts of it lol) Data visualization is hard and I'm sure there are more considerable improvements to be made.

[@Kylethejobber]

I can confirm I got this card at launch. The idol power consumption is fixed and the Fan issue is fixed

[@MadStrike]

@@LGWV I also got one close to launch. I got the 7900xtx red devil and it died after about 6 months asnd was unstable the entire time I had it. I RMAed it and havent had a single crash in 5 months with my new card. Looks like most of the issues were fixed with driver updates and production improvements. Just be aware that these cards output a TON of heat and need proper ventilation.

[@unspokensage2974]

is it still good? im thinking of upgrading to a 7900 tx pulse from a 4060 ti 8gb.

[@Kylethejobber]

@unspokensage2974 yea it's still good that will be a hell of a upgrade

[@Maxime-xr7er]

@@Kylethejobber ey im planning on upgrading from an 8 year old xbox one s to the rx7900xt. Do you think a 750w powersupply will be enough for this gpu?

[@Kylethejobber]

@@Maxime-xr7er yea 750 will be Plenty, that's exactly what I'm running.

[@AssassinIsAfk]

1440p has become the new 1080p and I'm happy to see that the 7900xt is going inside my system this year Edit: I decided just because it was only 100 more to get the XTX and honestly I'm surprised I got it for £1060 instead of £1200 which is what most other companies are selling it for

[@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg]

Great choice, hopefully you enjoy it :D

[@YouNoob269]

got myself a 6950xt this black friday and man this thing just eats up everything at 1440p

[@AssassinIsAfk]

@@YouNoob269 true the 7900xt is basically a 6950xt at 300w which is pretty good

[@Zerkyie]

For some maybe, but I really do not care about 1440p nor 2160p. 1080p is still the most important for me.

[@eduardosantiago6948]

@@Zerkyie There is no point in going 1080p in recent generations. GPUs are too powerful for 1080p, and 4k performance/fidelity is still a deal breaker for a lot of people.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Impressed with the quality of detail and thoroughness of this review compared to older videos. Well done LTT, this paints an excellent picture.

[@TheCrypto34]

Honeslty wasn't expecting such an in-depth review even including Siemens. I used to work for the company itself in one of their factories in the EOT (End of Train device) repair shop. My dad works as a team lead for the Radio repair side. Granted, i think the railstuff is entirely separate from their medical division, but still neat to hear it come up.

[@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026]

I was really debating whether to wait and get the 7900 XT or pull the trigger on the AsRock 6950 XT OC. Fearing availability issues and scalper prices (as well as impatience), I went with the 6950 XT for $760 with rebate. At this point, I think I made the right decision. The 7900 XTX is the only card that makes some sense for the price to performance, but there was no way I was going to drop a grand on a GPU. I could barely even afford the 6950 at $760. For what I was looking for in terms of 4k performance and budget, I think I got the best deal I could.

[@GoofyAhhFabio]

Im stuck between going for the 7900 xt or the rx 6800, which one you think is worth? or would it be worth it to go for the 6950?

[@Drip7914]

And now the 4070 ti beats the 6950xt in raster, DESTROYS it in Rt and brings the entire nvidia feature set (rtx,dlss,frame Gen, drivers etc) for 40$ more. Must be feeling some bad buyers remorse rn 😂

[@kidsinz]

@@Drip7914 i heard the 4070ti isn’t worth the price and it’s not even “THAT” good

[@Drip7914]

@@kidsinz for 40$ you could’ve got 4% more raster at 1440p, almosy triple the Rt performance in games like cyberpunk, dl2, metro, tw3 even without dlss3, far better Vr performance, overall better driver support, far better efficiency, far better resale value and a whole list of features such as: *Dlss *Frame generation * Rtx remix *4k video upscaling *New generation Ada architecture *Access to productivity performance List goes on and on but you get the idea, if I were you I’d return my 6950 asap otherwise you’ll always have this thought in the back of your mind: “damn I could’ve had all this for 40 more…”

[@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026]

@@Drip7914 Buyer's remorse is an inevitable thing as new tech and cards will ALWAYS come out. At the time and with the options I had, I feel I made the right decision. The 4070ti wasn't even announced yet when I was shopping. You could argue I should've waited for the 5070 ti with that reasoning, or for my card to drop even more in price over time. I wanted a new PC, I built one after waiting 6 years. You can't just wait forever, there's always gonna be something better/cheaper down the line. For what it's worth, I would've went with nvidia if I could find anything in stock that was affordable. My GTX 1080 lasted a long time and served me well.

[@AdamantMindset]

love how linus covered the key details like power draw, these things really matter to average consumer. idle drawing power giving me red flags

[@magnomliman8114]

if you are concerned about power then you are in the wrong hobby.

[@private1177]

​@@magnomliman8114 according to you then people shouldn't look at power usage and because there's know they need a lot to begin with try to mitigate as much as they can. Just because "bUt ThAt Is ThIs HoBbY". And a second point. It is a GPU that was heavily HEAVILY marketed as the messiah for power consumption... And then it gets 50-100W doing nothing. Power is a valid argument and point to look out for, specially in a hobby that is known to use a lot of power. Don't think he is in the wrong hobby, but you are in the worst mindset I've seen today.

[@magnomliman8114]

@@private1177 im sad to tell you that gpus and cpus well only get higher on power usage. there is prove for that every year . so statistically speaking. no Mather what year it is the power usage well only get up from now on.'' wrong mindset'' my ass.

[@bored78612]

@@magnomliman8114 cry amd fanboy

[@magnomliman8114]

@@bored78612 the funny part is , that i us NVidia only. looks l like u cant read kid.

[@hyperevade]

The idle power draw thing could be the same thing that's been happening on RDNA since the 5700XT, where the memory doesn't down clock due to the vertical blanking timing in the monitor EDID being too high (resulting in the blanking time being out of spec (VESA spec)). Adjusting timings using CRU often fixes it. There's a handy spreadsheet that you can use for calculating the values - just search for Custom Resolution Utility blanking calculator.

[@freaky425]

why the heck AMD didnt do it? why would a consumer paying a thousand dollar has to fix AMD's shit?

[@cheyannei5983]

@@freaky425 don't you mean ASUS's shit? EDID is set by the monitor manufacturer, not your GPU.

[@freaky425]

@@cheyannei5983 go and watch some more review, the idle and load power consumption of these new cards are abysmal. check optimum tech, check hardware cannuck. I dont get it why you guys think you need to support a bad product like AMD owns you or something. at the end these corps are after your money, I'd always buy a better product even if it costs more. not to forget reviewers facing driver issues.

[@JATmatic]

The display config caused Memory clocking issue looks to be an very old issue: My now potato RX 580 has it and memory clock is stuck at 100% 24/7 with two 60Hz 1080p displays. If I disable the second dislay I regain memory re-clock. 😒

[@gaius100bc]

@@freaky425 That's a bit dumb rant. Like it was said in the video, both are bad products out of the box, for variety of reasons, different reasons. The main difference is that only one of the two has potential to improve and overcome many of it's flaws in the long run, at least signs point to that, while the other is pretty much at it's peak performance, peak efficiency, peak everything, nothing to look forward to. But I'm not in the rush, I can wait another 6-12 months to see if AMD can deliver significant driver optimizations, or if it's all was just a wishful thinking.

[@jhosioja]

I went with a 6900XT a couple months ago when the prices started dropping here, and I haven't regretted it so far. It's a pretty nice bit of sheer grunt for the price. I will say though, that as my other components are getting on in the age, an unexpected downside was a reduced performance on high resolution video decoding as AMD doesn't seem to do that on the gpu end and my cpu is such a slouch that 4k60 youtube for example just doesn't work. Not an issue for me as I'm only running a 1440p monitor, but something you should take in to account if you're considering a 6000 series card and your cpu is on the older side.

[@hydrochloricity]

Depending on your browser of choice, that may be configurable. I believe Firefox allows you to force GPU decoding via configuration, though in the past I've found it to be less stable.

[@evanb09]

Just in case you didn’t know. If your CPU is that rough with a GPU that powerful you can probably expect some very significant gains in FPS by upgrading even to a midrange modern CPU especially if your monitor is >60Hz. Again not trying to patronize, just in case you weren’t aware.

[@manjindersinghsaini911]

Even GT 1030 does it! Why can't such good GPUs?

[@M365ITTuts]

You can't play 4k60 with a 6900xt? I can do it on my cheap ultraboook. I refuse to believe that 6900xt won't decode YT videos. Maybe you're missing some config or driver? I just tested it and the video decode for my Intel igpu is in use when playing 4k60 on YT

[@jhosioja]

4K30 goes fine, but 4k60 and up starts getting stutters. It's an i7 6850K (broadwell-E from 2016). And yes, I'm going piecemeal and I know there's a significant gain to be had by swapping to zen 3 or intel 12-series or newer. With my prior gpu, rtx 2070s, it would swap to gpu decoding on the higher bandwidth codecs but the Radeon just doesn't have a media decoder, at least not visible in task manager. As for the rig being comical, that's a bit of an exaggeration. The gpu is off balance with the cpu, but the cpu can still manage 3440x1440 at roughly 80fps on reasonably heavy titles like god of war, Jedi Fallen Order, Cyberpunk sans raytracing. Not as much as possible, but it's quite usable enough that I don't feel like I'm settling for crap while waiting to renew the cpu and mobo.

[@UninstallingWindows]

I did some back of the envelope calculations using the current electricity cost here, and choosing 4090 over 7900 would cost almost $10 a month extra for the higher power consumption. Last winter, when Kw/h was expecially expensive, it would have been almost 20-30 dollars per month extra. I think this the first time ever, when im actually considering the power draw of the GPU as a significant feature.

[@GeneralS1mba]

Nvidia is quite good at the lower end but they pushed hard for that 4090

[@ruineka_one]

As AMD has gained major prominence in Linux gaming and DXVK proving to show radically different results in benchmarks I sort of feel like these reviews are only half the story nowadays. I'm curious what the numbers would look like gaming on Linux.

[@betterfosset]

People missing on so much good experiences by not even trying Linux

[@doufmech4323]

Also, anyone buying Nvidia intending to use it on linux is stupid

[@beavatatlan]

@@betterfosset So many bad experiences too.

[@elias8981]

@@betterfosset Can you give some examples on why to switch to Linux ?

[@DerpyFloppa]

@@betterfosset no, you cant deny that linux is more convoluted and annoying to use. not to mention that alot of games dont even work on linux

[@novh4ck]

I am really excited for AV1 encoding. I have a large collection of movies/series (some not even available online anymore or not in my native language) which I would love to convert.

[@filipjovanovic8138]

I can't wait for it to be available for game streaming solutions like Steam Link, Moonlight, and Parsec.

[@chunktuff]

For the truly rare ones, I would recommend keeping them as they are. Reencoding will only lose more quality the more you do it.

[@emilymarriott5927]

@@chunktuff Not to mention that one area where AV1 fails is grainy video. If the source has a ton of grain, it can be a better idea to just leave it.

[@panteleymonschekochikhin-k1978]

I advise you to convert everything, store it all on a knock off 2TB SSD, and burn/delete the originals.

[@novh4ck]

@@chunktuff Most of it is not really rare. I just realised I was not 100% clear. With "online" I meant on legal streaming services. I am guessing that 80% of stuff I have on my personal streaming server is still available at least somewhere.

[@neonbowser]

Man the Labs team is paying such awesome dividends already. Love how in depth and how much perspective this review gives

[@ben4675]

in the uk, a 7900xtx will cost you 800 pounds or around 1000 dollars, but a 4090 will cost you 1830 pounds or around 2300 dollars. The 1300 dollar difference for 17% better performance doesnt seem like a good deal...

[@Brogboolius_Maximus]

Very comprehensive review! One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about so far with this launch is that the XTX (similar to Nvidia's recent launch) is only around 10% more expensive than the XT, but more than 10% faster. Generally the top-spec card is where you lose price efficiency, but it kind of makes the XT (and the 4080) rather pointless compared to the larger cards. People who can afford a $900+ graphics card can likely save up a tiny bit more and just get the bigger card.

[@wombat5252]

That was expressed very shortly on Gamers Nexus channel. It's basically a cash grab for these companies and they know they can get away with it.

[@MissingNumb]

Imo it's less nefarious and more a given for the architecture. Monolithic is likely more forgiving in headroom for binning versus the chiplet architecture. They have to shut down the entire mcd if it doesn't meet bin spec, and they obviously don't wanna throw away the entire die. They could of gimped it more I guess but the cost is still near the full XTX making it an even more difficult decision.

[@XDbored1]

i think the main difference is that Nvidia is more then happy to disable a good die to sell a low bin product, but AMD wants to sell as many good dies as possible and simply won't produce enough 7900XT if they don't have as many bad dies as customers that want 7900XT, the reason for this behavior is not good guy AMD trying to keep all the good dies safe, the reason is the supply limitation of TSMC wafers AMD wants to make as much money per wafer as possible and producing 7900XT over 7900XTX will only detract from that goal, meanwhile Nvidia has a greater production capacity and will sell anything the customer wants to buy, but they can't make the prices anything other then awful because they have started using TMSC 4nm for the 4080/4090, instead of the Samsung 8LPP they used for the 30 series.

[@modorangeorge4991]

XT only exists as it makes you think XTX is worth buying, which is not, and oversell that to you.

[@Intrud3r55]

Nonsense. Generation upgrades are so large, that next gen mid range will be this gen's top. Also, 1440p or 1080p performance on these is already bottlenecked at top-end titles. So, no need to spend crazy. Save money, get better CPU and mid range card.

[@rodrigoventuri2589]

Great video, super explanatory and very helpful. It should be a good idea to add RTX 3090 and 3080 as well, since the 6950 and 6900 are there too.

[@fakecubed]

Agreed. I know in Blender, though, even the XTX is worse than the entire 30 series, and the XT is barely beating the 20 series. That's mostly down to HIP being a very immature technology vs. Optix.

[@Idontcarewhathandleihave]

It wasn’t mentioned in the review, but 7000 series GPUs also feature the ambient temp sensor that can be a really nice tool for measuring overall temp inside your case. It’s useful to know the environment your components are working in as well as how effective your case fan set-up is.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

most mb have them

[@miked7728]

I've never owned an AMD card before. Always went Nvidia, but the grossness they've been displaying lately made me switch. 7900xtx is going to be a really nice upgrade to my current 1080ti.

[@daniellicitra276]

I am in the exact same boat as you. I have a 1080ti and I am looking to upgrade as well. What CPU where you considering?

[@miked7728]

@@daniellicitra276 I went with the 7800X3D. I considered the 7900, but it was more expensive, and all the extra cores go unused anyways (for gaming). 7800 has been amazing.

[@krisvaras7801]

@@miked7728 how has the gpu served you now?

[@miked7728]

@@krisvaras7801 It's incredible haha. I mainly play Star Citizen and I have never had such a smooth experience before lol.

[@lethoric]

I wish you also compared these cards to the 3090 and 3090 ti for those looking to upgrade away from team Green. Might also give an indication if it is worth making the jump. :)

[@DuBstep115]

Steve did

[@xMaFiaKinGz]

If you have 3090 why would you upgrade, Now I understand the consumer of these companies. Bunch of reta0dz

[@Tonyx.yt.]

with only 1 gen apart is never worth...

[@MeticulousTechTV]

There’s a rumored 7970 and 7990 to compete with the 4090 and 4090 ti, may be worth chilling a bit longer

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@Tonyx.yt. It's not worth it you're right, the only reason I bought a 4090 is to move my 3080Ti into my living room pc hooked up to the 77" Oled I have in there.

[@Byfils]

An amazing review, finally. I found your last two were pretty lack luster. No obvious errors in this one. No skewed results in any of the graphs. And, amazing job to the labs team!

[@Haloweee]

Except his overt glaring bias against amd. Watch how critical he is about absolutely everything and compare it to his nvidia reviews. He uses baby gloves and a tender touch with team green.

[@nimbulan2020]

You mean besides them showing the 6950 XT being 70% faster than the 6900 XT in F1 22? Or their power draw numbers being wrong because they relied on software monitoring?

[@Likiung]

@@Haloweee Im a long time amd user and he is not being tender with Nvidia they truly have less overall problems compared to amd, although at a higher price. Linus is honest and optimistic about amd. IMO the team is being a little easy on them as this is a $1000+ product

[@benluyp4086]

Could you guys do some tests to see how much the 6000 series improved over the time they existed to get an estimate of how much better the cards will be after a couple driver updates

[@undefinedbhvr]

Went from massively worse than 30 series, to the 6900XT beating out 3090 by the end within most games. However this is a completely different architecture and design, so the optimizations are going to be arguably even bigger. In a lot of benchmarks the XT and XTX are within 5% of eachother, and the XTX is ~30% better than the 6900XT, so if AMD can at least pull out their expectect performance gains gains in the lifetime, the 7900XTX should beat the 4090 in gaming.

[@marcuslee6720]

Kinda sad the whole market is pushing in this direction and AMD is not trying hard enough to stop this pull from NVIDIA with super expensive high end cards. The 7000 series from AMD looks like a better deal but it is still around 1000 USD of what could have been 600 USD a few years ago

[@huitzplochit]

The World ain't the same like a couple of years ago though...

[@nathangothan601]

AMD is in no way going to attempt to “stop” the insane price hikes. In fact they’ve arguably taken more advantage of it than Nvidia. At least NVIDIA can claim their highest end card truly is the HIGHEST end in performance. AMD is not your friend, stop thinking they are. They’re a company out to make money and being the “bro” was the only way they could recuperate and keep from absolutely losing everything in the early 2010s. They’re fully intent on trying to usurp Nvidia and their strong hold over the GPU market, or at least get closer and closer on price comparison.

[@marcuslee6720]

@@nathangothan601 I know they are, I kind hate it when Linus or other tech KZbinrs spin AMD as the PC gaming saviour but AMD is another multi national billion dollar company

[@saqib_999]

@Marcus Lee Have you heard of inflation? No High end GPU will be near 600 from now on.

[@marcuslee6720]

@@saqib_999 Yes I understand inflation has been higher than usual in the last couple years, but it has not been that high that warrants such a jump in the market. I know AMD and Nvidia are companies and their main goal is to make money for their shareholders.

[@ValhayaPC]

Things are getting crazy with AMD, i got a 6700xt off Jawa and I have no regrets

[@donjaime_ett]

Would have loved comparisons to the 3090 and 3090ti sprinkled in. Especially in the ray tracing performance section. I could probably take old benchmarks of the 6000 series and do some interpolation. But would have been nice since people looking to buy the 7000 series, but value RT performance, might opt for a deal on a used 3090 instead.

[@panteleymonschekochikhin-k1978]

You're on the wrong channel then. Channels like GN or hardware unboxed do more in depth testing.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

From the looks of things AMD are on par with (if not slightly better or worse depending on the title) the 30xx card's.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

The xtx usually sits between the 3080ti and the 3090. Unless it is an older game like Shadow Tomb Raider, then it beats a 4080 (which beats a 3090)

[@PorscheRacer14]

RT performance is right there with a 3090/Ti on the average. Some cases it gets close to a 4080 but that's not the normal. I'm sure with time and drivers they may get a bit more, maybe 5% but that's all I could bank on in good conscience. I say this as a long time AMD user that's also on a 3090 at the moment. Honestly though, as neat as RT is, I'd rather have HDR in a game. Portal RTX is a poo show, Minecraft RTX is meh, Cyberpunk 2077 is cool at night, in the rain, but to me the HDR is more impressive all the time. FYI, a 4090 struggles in RTX Portal. That doesn't make sense for that game considering I got Portal with the Orange Box that came with my 2900XT way back when. Why have a crashy, buggy experience and pull 400 watts or so just to play a game? Anyways, good progress, I'm curious to see the Sapphire Toxic or rumours of a 7950XTX next year.

[@RCmaniac667]

@@SpartanArmy117 titans had more vram and slightly if anything better gaming performance. Not the case with 4090, 90 is the new 80 like 80 is the new 70

[@jjcranfill]

Would love a follow up on your experience of going team red and seeing if things actually improve. I don't know if I entirely agree that you should only buy a product based on how it is now, as companies show trends and patterns of behavior on how they treat things. And just as a product can improve, it can also get worse (i.e pixel 2 and OnePlus in general), so a companies ability to support and improve or vice versa should be a consideration.

[@Malicious2013]

I agree. Even Nvidia cards can have teething pains and require driver optimizations. It's natural in the tech world. Aside from that, I'll buy team red simply for the fact that I don't want Nvidia's shit business practices to result in them getting my money.

[@yukisnoww]

@@Malicious2013 + less people need ray tracing than they actually think they do. The reason then is familiarity (stickiness) or if they are doing content creation (prob not )

[@Dr1ver23]

@@raresmacovei8382 My biggest problem with them is they locked down MSM tools so users can't use it, now if you brick your phone you are screwed because they won't provide the software to unbrick it in Qualcomm's emergency download mode. People have actually gotten their hands on the tool and they locked it down so you need a username and password to even get into it and when one leaks its credentials are removed fast. There's so many people with bricked phones because they won't provide this super useful software and I can't even understand why they would do this. Gone are the days of messing around with ROMs and customizing your phone without a care in the world

[@shred1894]

I feel like AMD is going to get a solid hold on the mid-range market while Nvidia will be holding out the top end.

[@mazuiface]

Linus does a good job explaining his reasoning for both the 7900 series and the 4080 review as well. This is why LTT is awesome!

[@MichaelBlock]

I hope that when they do the new encoder testing, I want to see GPU usage, because less usage for encoding is always a huge plus

[@jacobbrown3614]

I went team red for my last build: 5950X + RX6900XT. My biggest issue was GPU instability. I would have screen tearing and static after closing games or changing windows while gaming, which was only resolved by restarting the system. Super frustrating. I'm really interested to see what Linus' experience is with these 7000 series GPUs in the coming months!

[@user-hb2ib1je7j]

got a 6600 XT have none of the above, but yah sounds annoying. Ironically I've seen streamers with 4090s having random freezes and graphic glitches too. Hopefully your issue will get resolved with a driver update or something.

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

Are those issues resolved now?

[@freevbucks8019]

Windows moment Try linux on a usb and update us on the stuttering on a different OS

[@zobilamouche420]

Had the same issues and fixed it by undervolting it. Theses kinds of cards are pushed to the limits of their power management capabilities so that you have every bit of fps out of the box. So if you just undervolt it a bit, you might lose a 2-3% of performance, but you'll gain stability (lower voltage, transient spikes, temperatures, etc) and remove 50 to a 100w of power consumption. It can be a quite tedious process if you wanna find the best settings, or you can just hit the undervolt button in the Radeon Software, it gave a good starting point in my case 🙌

[@alyssa6791]

lol this is why i got a 3080 instead of a 6800xt 😂

[@valkyrieregalia]

These reviews have made one thing clear to me. I'm glad I snagged a 3080 TI for 720 instead of waiting.

[@Insooooooo]

was it worth it? am about to do the same but that dlss3 is kinda buggin me

[@valkyrieregalia]

@@Insooooooo The thing with DLSS3 is that only a few titles will even have it. It also is trading some quality vs. DLSS2. So, while it may be useful in some games, I don't feel that it's worth paying so much extra for just that feature. 700~800 for a GPU is already so much money. The cost to gain ratio isn't an advantage. It's just spending more for more, and that's just too much money for me either way.

[@sebastienlavoie1532]

Yes, the 4090 is the only card Worth buying this gen, all others aren't worth what they bring imo, go for last gen 100%

[@BurntBarbeque]

As a 3080 user, it is slightly wanting in my 4K environment.

[@valkyrieregalia]

@@BurntBarbeque It's why I wanted a 3080 ti for a few more fps to make it more up to 4k demand.

[@nzarthal]

I've been a consistent Team Red member for a decade now, from my first PC to my latest. I've been incredibly fascinated by the slow climb AMD has started over the years, from FX's "ehh" to Ryzen's beast of a performance and RDNA/2/3's close combat with nVidia. it's the one thing that keeps me going, seeing the guy that used to be who fell out of relevancy get back on the horse after so long.

[@kipa_chu]

I'm not a corporate slave. I just use whatever is the best in the market. Imagine having loyalty to a corporation and being proud of it. 🤣

[@adlannizar60]

@@kipa_chu without those loyalty to the corpo, you won't get jack shit. be grateful leechers

[@bryantallen703]

Remember AMD said there new CU's can run dual FP32 compute instructions just like Ampere and Lovelace. So, that initially doubles the Streaming Processors. Imagine the 60cu (3840 SP's) RX6800 with 50-70% boost. And those results are all over the place. The 6900XT beating a 7000 series looks a little wild. Though, i did just pick up the TOP edition of the ASUS TUF V2 series with the 3090ti cooler. Did i mention i got it for $600 brand new. That's a binned XTX chip does 3GHz flat out.

[@Tomogeny]

Im super excited to either buy a cheap RX 6950XT or an RX 7900XTX when the dust settles! Great to see the low power draw for the RX 7900XTX. The fact that team red now reaches 65% the FPS of team green in raytracing means we can enjoy it when making some concessions on other settings/FSR which is fine :) Great stuff! Nvidia has gotten way overboard with their pricing

[@Lightsaglowllc]

The 4080 is much more efficient than the 7900xtx.

[@andrewthach1989]

Yeah I have an RX6950xt right now that's within the return period. If I could snag a 7900xtx for retail I will be happy. If not the 6950xt is already a beast in its own right.

[@alfonsmansson7797]

@@andrewthach1989 are u running am4 or am5? i have an rtx 3080 12gb within return period and im also thinking about gettin an xtx but im not sure if my 5900x will bottleneck the xtx?

[@andrewthach1989]

@@alfonsmansson7797 am5 I just bought a 7700x at micro center for $350, also $20 off mobo and free 32gb ram g skills ddr5 6000mhz

[@andrewthach1989]

@@alfonsmansson7797 the 5900x def won't bottleneck the xtx. That's a perfectly capable CPU!

[@brandoncole6358]

For a track record think back to 7970ghz edition. That was 3 years of hell and it did age well but by the end of that hell a more refined generational leap happened. Recently I purchased a new PC that actually cost around the same as that top of the line PC from 10+ years ago. Both builds are 1500$ but I did it smarter. On a very mature driver package and with aftermarket vendors. My memory was cheap, mobo relatively cheap, GPU was a 6700xt for 350$, Ryzen 7 5800x3D, case 100$, and the most unbelievable boon in the last 10 years gen 4 1tb of ssd storage from a Samsung 940 evo nvme for around 80$. This is absolutely insane to me how far this scaled even with inflation differences in the last 10 years. What would be adjusted for inflation would be a BUDGET build is still noticeable generationally improved. A 6700xt performs 2-3x better at 1080p and it's the first sub 400$ GPU that is capable of high fps 1440p gaming. My basic takeaway from being in and out of the computer scene is the best value always comes at the end of a generation with AMD and not being an early adopter.

[@Yellowredstone]

I think I am content with my 6800 XT and I'll wait another generation. That 40W idle is what killed the deal for me. Unless the driver support is over the roof, I'll just wait and see.

[@TheRealLink]

Overall a good, nuanced, and I think, fair review given that in some sense, neither company's cards are budget friendly right now. Like I tell friends, really look at what you're needing out of your game, workflow, render, or tools and build accordingly. But it's great to see AMD bringing competitive products to the table and offer another solution than just one company alone.

[@vmafarah9473]

but future proofing may be good to some extent. a gpu become obsolete faster than cpu. i regret my laptop purchase with lower tier gpu, it lasted 4 years, latest renderiing apps was too slow, some dont support due to low 4gb vram. so this time i bought 8gb laptop.

[@steveleadbeater8662]

They're nice if you can afford them, but it would be better if none of them sold as the prices really are stupid. Really don't want to normalise these practices.

[@That_DoDo_Bird]

No the 7900 is not what you would call budget friendly but its definitely worth the price if you know what I mean. Its not somethings that someone on a budget would buy but for its performance its an INSANE deal. AMD has some pretty insane deals to be honest and ones that ARE budget friendly. Such as the RX 6600 XT which you can get for roughly $250 out classes Nvidia's RTX 3060 which sells around roughly $380.

[@petersziraki7672]

I hope we're going to see a revisit in a future video! I'd love to see the performance data from a future driver update compared to the current one!

[@Pascal_Robert--Rc_Creations]

That's it. I'm calling it. We need scrapyard wars back

[@SolidusRyd]

Would love to see how VR performs in comparison as well in future review videos.

[@gthakur17]

I think these AMD cards will be amazing for PCVR because they have a lot of VRAM

[@arturkre5793]

and USB-C

[@hoguejp]

Well, you don't need raytracing is more the key. I've never used all the 3080 vram personally. You need rasteration performance.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

​@@arturkre5793 I don't use VR myself, but I have a couple friends who do that were verrrrry happy to see that USB-C port.

[@petermeter3942]

@@hoguejp fire up forza horizon 5, Warzone 2, or Black ops Cold war (with high res textures ) and u easly fill all ur Vram

[@crazythymos6317]

@@petermeter3942 nah man if im maxing out the settings on MW2 i do not even need 50% of my Vram... maybe 30-40% max. I m playing on a 1440p monitor

[@Pienimusta]

Seeing the Portal demo, Raytracing future could be really sweet. Another open question is if we will get to that future in the lifetime of these cards.

[@kimberly4275]

"Could" yeah, we have hear the same thing every year. Its just a stupid gimmick nobody uses. Maybe unreal engine 5 will finally bring us proper ray tracing without killing performance or having to use some upscaling eye sore.

[@ivangg378]

I wouldve wanted to see comparison between the RX 7900 series and the 30 series from nvidia. Both are now at a similar price and im curious about the raytracing.

[@RandomGamingFTW]

yea same idk about raytracing but it's same price as 3070 ti and compares to 4080

[@mdh3795]

In my experience with my 2070 super, ray tracing has never been worth the performance drop you get. It can take my game from running at 90 fps to like below 30 with no other changes. So if you like playing with high frame rate you probably wouldn't want to use ray tracing anyways.

[@ChrisStoneinator]

@@mdh3795yeah... But that's on a 2070 super. You shouldn't expect any different as an early adopter.

[@DiscoBallGaming]

I still love the fact that these full size cards are still smaller then the 4090. I personally can't stand full size cards so I got a 6600XT. AMD has come a long way since the 580

[@megawave8759]

I love my 6600 XT from MSI it is tight, efficient and performs really well.

[@BH4x0r]

hm i honestly have no issue with them, especially since i always take cases without a window or rgb or other shit

[@Mobin92]

Yeah I hate that everyone is focussing on those monstrously sized space heaters... I have the money, but I'm still not going to buy those inefficient pos! I'd rather buy 3 mid-range GPUs every few years, when things actually get slow.

[@DiscoBallGaming]

@@BH4x0r It's not even looking at them that bothers me, it's the GPU sag. I got a 1070 online for 100 bucks and it's a full size card. It sags almost half an inch. The half length cards are just cleaner and cause less worry.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Why are you comparing old and budget GPU’s to a brand new top end GPU? The comments in this post are dumb.

[@gabrielfair724]

Some video recommendations: To the editing staff: Can you please briefly highlight/flash/outline the card being reviewed when you put up the bar chart? This can help quickly orient the audience to what to look for. To the lab staff: This might be too much to ask for, but it would be really neat if you also test these cards for non-gaming uses? Namly can it handle being fully/overloaded with Daisy Chained monitors? Does it crash if you unplug/replug the monitors (as when someone is troubleshooting their setup)? How does this work with folding@home or boinc@home projects?

[@SuperbFairy]

they showed a shit load of graphics and data for the cards being tested for non gaming uses, what more do you want for productivity than them showing nearly every major render or process tool being used with the gpus

[@gabrielfair724]

@@SuperbFairy Yes, you are right. I'm just offering some suggestions. These videos are awesome, so thankful for the LTT staff

[@Crazyboyki]

I bought a 6950xt Red Devil when it was on sale for 750$ on amazon and my personal take on this gpu is. OUT STANDING! i came from a 1070 straight to a 6950xt and its just insane power for the price. i couldn't be happier with it. My only downside take is that it was a struggle to learn everything driver / software wise for AMD a nvidia boy for so long its a new terrain and took a few days of trouble shooting to find out my MSI motherboard was not liking the GPU until i set my XMP off and also trying to use ENB reshade on the latest drivers does not work at all for most games. you have to use older drivers How ever older drivers on the 6950xt create a Lag gap for me personally. stutters alot and drops to 30fps for no reason. So im stuck with latest drivers and what ever does / doesn't work. all in all there's up's and downs but if you can live with the down sides it's a great card.

[@gabrielb238]

Buying an AMD gpu sometimes feels like getting a new performance part for your car. Makes great HP, but requires extensive tuning to work adequately.

[@ddenx6949]

@@gabrielb238 true.. but lately amd doing it for me from they update and boost thru software.. i just wait, download and install.. lol

[@Crazyboyki]

@@gabrielb238 Fully agreed as my first time going amd tho its not nearly as bad as i thought it was going to be. i figured it was going to be a lot worse

[@dralord1307]

What game for the ENB? I have a 6700XT and use Reshade on 2 games and have had no issue. The only game I get those lag spikes on is Farming Sim 2022. But that is the game itself. I got the exact same on my nvidia card.

[@Crazyboyki]

@@dralord1307 FiveM The GTA5 RP Addon And Skyrim on GTA it will just straight up crash tho it wont even launch the game, "error code GPU not detected" uninstall ENB and it works fine lol

[@prism8190]

I got the 7900xtx recently and because I mainly play competitive games and when I play single player I don't ever use raytracing I honestly see that this card is a massive win for team red

[@siddhantjha5818]

@@prism8190 hey I was going to get a pc with R7 7700x and 7900xt could you please , tell me more about how it performs in AAA titles and how is it's stability ,I was concerned about crashes and drivers issue which I have read in reddit and other portals, I will be using it for mostly 2k gaming.

[@luistigerfox]

I've seen some large variances in performance, even in some of the same games between different reviewers. I don't think it'll magically make the card "a ton better" but more than likely, there'll be gains made as better drivers with fewer issues come out.

[@SupraSav]

Really hope AMD irons out the wrinkles with power usage/efficiency. Hopefully some driver updates in the first week!

[@bygoneegowaitingremoval]

I love the new graphics summarizing how the card stacks against the competition on each resolution. That's the majority of the info needed to decide what to buy in a single place. 5:38. The other being looking at price and if they dramatically perform worse in a game you know you will spend hundreds of hours

[@developerpranav]

I appreciate the detailed review by LTT that even covered bugs with using different displays, and watt per frame. Waiting for the image comparison video, hope they include encoding and decoding nuances, along with generally overlooked features such as AI.

[@pavitrajain0503]

wow this video is so much more informative and longer than I thought, which gave me so much more understanding of the gpus, great work guys especially the labs team. I was hooked for the whole video.

[@btarg1]

These prices are still ridiculous and I hope we get some cheaper, lower end / midrange GPUs that make sense as an upgrade this generation.

[@stylie473joker5]

Rx 7600

[@stylie473joker5]

@M-ARKY Yes but considering the uplift of the 7900 xtx/xt while still being at the same price point i'm pretty optimistic

[@Timmyval123]

Exciting to see ! Hopefully old 30 series makes them come down on pricing which I'm sure they can quite a bit. My only problem is I am a solid works user :(

[@dralord1307]

Only used cards will come down in price. Nvidia will not let new cards come down. Thats the whole reason for the strangely slow launch cadence this time around. Jensen said it straight up in an investor meeting

[@noahkiser]

SolidWorks and CATIA are based on the same codebase, so given the good CATIA performance with the RDNA3 cards, I think your real-world SolidWorks performance will swing depending on your use case.

[@bocahdongo7769]

Same, I wish AMD could beaten up Nvidia on gaming section simply because I desperately need Turing and Ampere card for 3D rendering to come down on price

[@Timmyval123]

@@dralord1307 AMD will be more willing, they aren't on that expensive 4nm Nvidia is on, they also have a lot less materials cost and a lot less overhead too. AMD will be willing to cut down costs just like they were on the CPU side, the margins on these is sizeable

[@Timmyval123]

@@noahkiser Yeah I'm sure performance will be fine, but solid works is very finicky with it's real time rendering. Tried for hours to get my 3060 mobile to work with it without success.

[@cranbers]

Here is a sad thought. I bought a 6800 xt for 1200 dollars a few years ago during covid, (once you could even buy them since they were out of stock for 2 years). And now you can get a 7900 xtx for 928 dollars. Wow.

[@swiftypopty1102]

Lol

[@swiftypopty1102]

And this RX 7900 so buggy for me, got a lot of crashes and drivers is buggy as hell: I returned the GPU and got RTX 4080 instead, worth the change! Much more perfomant and stable in every task you do, Nvidia Reflex? ✅ Ray Tracing? ✅ Good perfomance.

[@JahonCross]

LoL good job being impatient 😂😊

[@duckyishappy]

Can we test VR performance? At least for this class of card lots of people are buying GPUs in this price class to play simulators with VR headsets, It would be good to know if AMD or NVIDIA are able to scale correctly.

[@dragonithv]

I wish linus would also include older cards into these line ups, I know alot of people are still running 30XX or RTX 5XXX.

[@dojjin1334]

This is awesome. Finally a big tech tuber that is using something different than the 4090. It will be nice to see what the longevity brings.

[@warhammerfaction]

I was told these cards would be competition time to order a 4080

[@FastLaneFeed]

i got my 7900 XT a few days ago for $430 and I love it, best performance ive had and I had a 4070 previously.

[@Manuzoka1996]

Wow, 430 dollars. I got a TUF, where I live it's expensive, but I'm proud of upgrading from a 1070 to the red team.

[@Ghost280zx]

How did you get it for that low? thats amazing!

[@FastLaneFeed]

@@Ghost280zx it is absolutely not something the average person can do. i work at a computer store and happened to be getting a ridiculous employee discount at that card. i got super lucky, but you can find used 7900 XT's for 5-600 and I would highly recommend. i can play everything at max settings at 1440p while running 2 monitors. its nuts.

[@GoPotato69]

@@FastLaneFeed yea the best i can get is 600$ lmao

[@fallingfromsolace2652]

I’m still 100% getting the xtx but decided I was gonna wait for a bit and focus on other things right now. Seems like I made a good decision without realizing it. The xtx is a good gpu right now but hopefully after some driver updates and fixes it should stand well above the 4080 and for $200 cheaper not as chunky and doesn’t need an adapter that will melt my new gpu. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I’m fine waiting 6 months or so.

[@NuclearOlive]

For 3:43, I'd like to see the variation in hidden specs between LTT and GN, as they have reverse results. GN had the 4090 surpassing the 7900 XTX in F1 22.

[@misterbrickest]

I noticed that too. I think I may have an idea. On ultra setting in F1 '22 it automatically turns RTX on, unless customized like here on LTT where it says "DXR Off" at the top. Also Gamers Nexus used a 12700KF CPU for the 7900XTX tests. Probably one of those.

[@50H3i1]

Cause LTT disabled RT and GN did not

[@cobaltretrotech]

Thank you for starting to include Davici Resolve in testing video cards! I use that software for my own videos, so having encoding results is a genuine help if I'm looking for a new video card

[@bouncingbullt]

Would be interesting to see the AV1 performance as soon as it´s supported by DaVinci Resolve for non-NVENC cards

[@cobaltretrotech]

@@bouncingbullt Yeah, I hope AV1 can take over so people don't have to use NVENC with Davinci for good performance

[@SuperFizzah]

There was a flash sale just this week that had the XFX 310 Merc 7900XT for only $440. I'm so mad that I missed it. Literally by an hour or less 😢.

[@jramopos]

bummer i missed most of the GPU sales focusing on my CPU first, i had to spend a little more for my XFX !

[@conorwade5393]

Really glad to see this review. Currently running a 5500xt in my rig and was wondering if it would be worth it to upgrade. This helped a lot. Thanks!

[@brainfodder3233]

5500XT? Anything just shown is a HUGE upgrade over that card, how many watts is your current power supply rated, you start needing an 850W+ quickly as you move up.

[@Fortzon]

Back in 2018 I bought 2070 and thought that ray tracing would become a mainstream thing in a few years. In 2022, Nvidia's own cards are still dropping too many frames for RT to be worth it! RX 7900 XTX being ~17% slower than 4090 but 60% cheaper (even though they both should be $700 max), RDNA3 sounds like a good deal to me!

[@Artimidorus]

So ray tracing is under the 3090, and it basically keeps pace with the 4080 in everything else. So it's not 60% cheaper than it's alternative. It lost, significantly, every test against the 4090 except a few very special cases. If you have an AMD CPU, then it's probably better to go with their hardware ecosystem.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

would agree. I would say it's not there yet. It's like the hairFX or whatever it was called for the Witcher 3. All of the RT might be fine by 2030.

[@Fortzon]

@@Artimidorus Like I said, RT is still useless so AMD's GPUs being worse at it doesn't matter.

[@ColJonSquall1]

It works for me, since I prefer connecting my Rift S via USB C with the thunderbolt adapter I have, directly to the GPU. Even though my motherboard has dedicated, constant voltage USB A ports. I currently have an EVGA 2070 Super, and the USB C port has been ideal for VR. I'm just hoping I'll be able to get one of the new AMD cards in the future.

[@ryzenvidia]

Oculus S probably won't support rdna3 cards as Meta completely abandoned them.

[@help1ng316]

Looking back at this, it aged better than fine wine. It turned into a full on feast of Nvidia.

[@paulpak460]

Appreciate the work LTT put into this. I think it will age well, too, since FSR 3.0 and their DLSS competing tech are on the horizon. For me, it's more than good enough. Going to try my best in getting one at launch, fingers crossed.🤞

[@815TypeSirius]

As soon as AMD can do decent ai and rt compute I am done with green. Fuck nv and their proprietary crap.

[@comment9874]

You got one?

[@AGuy-vq9qp]

FSR 3.0 is not “on the horizon”

[@AJ-po6up]

Is pretty crazy the price drops that the 7900XT is having, I saw one locally for $750, though the 6950XT is also lower than $650, is great to see no doubt.

[@custommade21]

I’ve seen the 7900xt go for 730 at micro center quite a few times. As I game with 4K and on an ultra wide I think for the first time in 12 years I’m going to give Amd a try again, nvidia is just not it with these underpowered overpriced cards this gen. Although the 4090 isn’t a bad price for what you get top of the line I just can’t justify it. Or any of the sub 4080 cards. 4070 ti lookin more like a 4060 with an $800 price tag. No thanks gonna grab a 7900xt next sale day

[@spiltradiationgam3r319]

​@@custommade217900xt from powercolor has been absolutely kicking ass for me. Definitely recommend

[@BURN447]

Until we have a real CUDA/Tensor Core replacements, as well as 1st party VR support (LiquidVR is basically unused) I'm basically stuck on NVidia for both my gaming and workstation builds. Currently running a 3900X/3090 and a 12900k/3080

[@hotagu4187]

Yeah I agree, most gamers doesn’t understand professional perspective.

[@EdgyShooter]

"My old chance of paying our production crew" The production crew: "haha...Wait, what did he just say?"

[@Nighthunter006]

As a gamer who also works with AI (Meaning stuff like training neural networks), it would be great to see some direct benchmarks and comparisons of e.g training a neural net with TensorFlow. These applications (depending on the structure of the network) rely heavily on GPGPU, and a faster card can mean faster iteration and better results when I'm working on my own hardware. In fact, GPGPU support and performance is the main sticking point for me right now, as I want to get away from Nvidia's terrible Linux drivers but don't want to just exchange it for bad OpenCL support and poor AI performance. I love the rest of the wide and detailed benchmarks though!

[@resresres1]

Isn't trying to use AI and offloading the work to an AMD GPU pretty bad at the moment? Because it's not supported very well compared to CUDA.

[@TheHighborn]

well, if it takes more memory than the 4080 has on board, it's a simple choice. If not, bechemarks warranted

[@brytonmassie]

@@TheHighborn My guess is NVIDIA didn't want to blur the lines between their Quadro and G-Force cards by giving it too much memory, same thing with Linux support, it seems like Nvidia is just generally more anti-consumer, although any of these billion/trillion dollar companies if given an inch will take a mile.

[@anonanon7368]

There is no need to benchmark. AI is dominated by Nvidia. It's not even close

[@resresres1]

@@anonanon7368 yeah... Nvidia's CUDA is just so much easier to work with when making AI programs compared to AMD's ROCm. Although it's kind of a catch-22, if there was no CUDA, then ROCm would be much better supported.

[@YouBetterCallSaul]

An update after a year would be pretty sick guys…

[@PrismariLaura]

Dang, I was hoping for better ray tracing performance from AMD. Still, can't wait to see the midrange cards' performances.

[@BretBowlby]

0x22h got the 7900XT to overclock the Sharder to 3.5gz and the Frontend to 3.7ghz on air @ 400 watts. Article is on WCCFTech.