This Will *COMPLETELY* Change How You Play 🩸 Back 4 Blood GUIDE for Damage & Deck Builds (Nightmare)

[@SwingPoynt]

Hey! So there's been some new findings courtesy of reddit! Let me break down what we know so far. From what I understand, Knowledge is power is not properly displaying numbers. Which is resulting in damage totals not being what we would expect, people measured the PIXELS IN THIS VIDEO to confirm that hahaha. Also, there is not supposed to be multiple numbers showing when you hit a weakspot. HOWEVER. There are in fact two damage pools being simultaneously affected. Apparently, according to Turtle Rock, the weakpoint system they use on Ogre's and Breakers is the same system they use on regular Mutations and Common. However you can break weakpoints on Ogre's and Breakers, but you cannot do that on other mutations. Soooo the result is that they FORWARD damage to the health of the creature you are attacking. Anyway, this is causing Knowledge is power to misrepresent numbers. Common Ridden seemingly have a breakable weakpoint on their head. So KiP gets even weirder on them when trying out different weapons. Punching them, etc. Here's the reddit thread where someone did testing in Swarm Mode, along with Turtle Rock's reply. www.reddit.com/r/Back4Blood/comments/qgoseo/psa_misinformation_about_knowledge_is_power/ So the TL:DR; The numbers being shown by KiP are currently being weird. The rest of the concepts in the video with mixing and matching things to get benefit out of additive/multiplicative still stand. HOWEVER Turtle Rock did say they are going to be looking at if they need to change anything now, so who knows if cards effects will change over time.

[@fire_ant_187x7]

Honestly bullet damage means just what it says. Bullet damage to normal areas or weak spots. That was not hard to figure out

[@Zaszz1]

@@fire_ant_187x7 The problem is the other damage types don't mention how they stack or don't with one another, from reading the cards you would expect them to all be working about the same way and they don't. A failure on the devs part to clarify how the systems work and what "damage" vs "bullet damage" vs "weak spot damage" means exactly. It's not a huge deal, it just kind of sucks when there isnt like a help feature tucked into a menu somewhere, that makes it transparent how each system works. Instead we have to try to do testing which relies on the testing tools to be accurate, and is a chore, to figure out this stuff. I know not every player cares too much about this kind of thing, but I find it frustrating when I am given choices, but not really all the information to know what those choices mean. Still a fun game though, have been really enjoying it.

[@ajhardman3547]

In the Reddit post, the numbers he displayed for total weakspot damage seemed to also be affected by Walker’s damage bonus even though it isn’t a weakspot bonus. So, his character card DOES have an effect on weakspot but regular “damage” cards don’t? Patient Hunter is a damage card that seemed to affect the weakspot damage too though.

[@Crimefridge]

+damage not affecting body damage multiplied by weakspot is incorrect, this video is effectively useless, the "base understanding" of how the game actually works was more accurate than what your experiments showed. If you remove the second number, and the first number is not showing the crit multiplier of hitting the weakspot, your entire video is actually giving opposite advice that is negatively effective. Avoiding Glass Cannon, Patient Hunter, cards like these work perfectly fine with weakspot multiplier but DOES NOT SHOW ON KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. So... all your suggestions are wrong. All of them. Multipliers on multipliers is the only useful advice from this video.

[@georgehunsaker2866]

Your mods banned me for saying gg bro in chat

[@PNDKM]

Knowledge is power might be the most appropriately named card in this entire game it seems

[@kingbooty6969]

Wtf my top Back 4 Blood channels in 1 chat, worlds collide 🤯

[@TheCherrypoppin]

Khadgar would like a word

[@Lead2waste]

Na meth head is appropriately named.

[@thatoneperson256]

I don't think it should be a card, rather a base part of the game you can turn on and off

[@Jenkkimie]

It is a old idiom but it is true. Trust me as someone who is soon graduating from my 2nd STEM degree, knowledge can be viewed as a form of resource that you have. Whether it is knowledge in real world, or virtual. Use it to your advantage.

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

It would be great if they made the shooting range allow card builds, upgraded items/guns and let you summon specials to test on.

[@PPeggythePirate]

There would be no secrets then

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

@@PPeggythePirate what secrets do you think we’re still not seeing? Just deck builds is all I’m thinking

[@FriedSpicyChicken26]

I feel like they will eventually be implementing this in a future patch. This should've been done since the start.

[@badgerone-5959]

@@FriedSpicyChicken26 They should start with allowing us to make more than 8 decks fist lol.

[@octaviogonzalez8794]

I thought that was literally the point so I can. Try the huns out with different accuracy values and stuff but no lol

[@holohearthfire7138]

make builds with this knowledge. Destroy the dps ceiling

[@TubesForNoobs]

Confirmed Confident Killer Does NOT add to weakspot damage

[@supermanquivole1]

That's how the damage is calculated in Borderlands aswell, really interesting vid. Makes a lot of things clearer ! Cheers

[@BlackAxon]

What?

[@supermanquivole1]

@@BlackAxon There is additive and multiplicative damage scaling in the Borderlands games

[@PPeggythePirate]

But borderlands is so much more complicated

[@BlackAxon]

@@PPeggythePirate It also has a damage formula that generally makes a*lot* more sense.

[@7Singularity]

This explains why melee build was so absurd OP, with fire axe it one-shot tall guy that easy.

[@projectskald]

Glad to see more people finally figuring out the maths. Hopefully we’ll have players more capable of conquering vet/nightmare than we have.

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

As a melee main who has all the cards: Breaker sees me and sweats. Tallboy variants see me and panic. Hocker/Stinger - spawn in and 0.025 seconds later they have me disabled and dead (or stun gun it off and the same hocker just disables you again before you can even move from the spot) - worst special design I've ever seen haha.

[@nahfam360]

@@projectskald unfortunately just having a good build isn't enough for people to conquer vet/nightmare. most random players still have dogshit awareness

[@projectskald]

@@nahfam360 I dunno. I’ve made it mostly through vet without any issues. I’m held back by team mates 😭😭😭

[@nahfam360]

@@projectskald i believe you. game really doesn't punish toxic players or trolls. what's going to stop a player from shooting birds/snitches/doors or doing friendly fire damage in higher difficulties. im not a lfd player so im not sure how they dealt with it. playing with good players is a different story though, games are really fun when everyone's on the same page

[@notbrad4873]

Swingpoynt talks about damage calculation like he's just unravelled an international conspiracy of baby-eating lizard people

[@skmkr5222]

Me who plays Doc with a full heal build: interesting.

[@Berserker1041]

SAAAAAAAAAAAAME but i'm gonna build this with my damage characters.

[@nickgarcia1292]

I do too except I have like 2 smg cards and she can be really well balanced.

[@johnlowkey359]

Same, but gonna bully my team into optimizing their decks

[@skmkr5222]

@@johnlowkey359 literally me. I just found out Karlee starts with an AK-47 and now I wan't to build her haha.

[@Kaiziak]

@@skmkr5222 I'd take a carbine over an AK any day. Karlee's secondary is what's really nice on my shotgun/unlimited secondary ammo build.

[@anedgedancer5147]

My head is just spinning while I'm trying to keep up with him. So much compounding, so many different categories. But I'm kinda getting it, he explains it well.

[@legendofzelda13]

From what I gather, what affects the damage number vs weakspot damage number can be inferred from the type of category and the phrasing. It seems that anything that just says "damage" or "damage with x" will always affect the basic damage number. I think the phrasing is key. "Damage with x" is referring to the base damage from that particular weapon type, the "with" being the important distinction. It's not referring to a different type of damage, just the standard damage coming from that weapon. However, the cards that affect weakspot damage are phrased like "melee damage" or "bullet damage". The descriptor coming before the word damage might be the indicator that it's a different type of damage and not that it is just the standard damage coming from a particular source. If that makes sense

[@Dasmaster1]

Here is how I understand this. First you divide the damage into "Generic damage" and "Weakspot damage". They are dealt separately. The Generic damage is calculated by taking the guns base damage and adding modifiers to it such as glass cannon. The weakspot damage also takes the guns base damage but does not apply the modifiers and then adds its own unique weakspot modifiers. What makes the silver bullet so different is that it is not a modifier that is applied after you separate the damage into the two types, instead the "bullet damage" directly changes the weapons base damage which both use when applying their respective modifiers. It is not necessarily anything to do with having their own categories as it has to do with the order in which it is calculated where bullet damage is applied before they are split up and handled separately.

[@Veledan]

Hats off to you man. The amount of research and time you spent on this video must have been nuts. You've really done the community a favor with this. Definitely earned a sub from me!

[@snappa_tv]

Trauma resistance does stack with doc’s trauma resistance. When running those cards with doc I take almost no trauma damage while playing.

[@cixtos]

Thank you for explaining the different categories! So glad the devs put Knowledge is Power into the game

[@lorentaylor1262]

Exactly what I was looking for! Keep up the good content! 😁

[@leejesm]

not absolutely sure, but I believe use speed and revive speed are additive for reviving a player. also, I was inspired to do some experimenting with other % cards, and ammo capacity is bonkers. It's sort of additive, but it doesn't just take the percentage and add it to your default max. It multiplies the % times 5, then it adds 3, then it is multiplied by a base number given by the ammo type. so for SMG (base# = 80), if you take 50% ammo capacity card, and take the 30% SMG ammo capacity card, you get: 960 = 80 * (5 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.3) + 3) I'm not sure if it's actually coded like this, but this gives the correct results. base number for snipers and shotguns is 20 and rifles are 55. also, you eluded to the "Character Card ability" for Walker being in a different category. Well, for Hoffman's card ability to give 10% extra ammo capacity, it's added to the equation above just like the other cards. no difference. All this to say that "categories" theory doesn't quite apply to the ammo capacity I think. I would like to know if it applied to health stuff, as you said.

[@slaveknightkos8498]

I have tested the healing bonuses (doc's, EMT bag, and ointment), and they all are additive. I used a bandage with all these, which normally heals 1 segment, and it healed less than 2. 0.2+0.4+0.2=80%

[@cocoonman]

Thank you for your testing.

[@AdventureClass42]

I tested him weakspot +10% to team, this was additive to other weakspot cards. While his stacking up to 25% was weapon damage, multiplying with glass cannon, confident killer and patient hunter all being weapon dmg (bonus dmg uneffected)

[@asianmaks]

your Math teacher would be so proud of you if he watched this video.

[@ehsher7441]

I believe what’s happening is that the body and the weakspot are two different “hitboxes” and you’re simply hitting both at the same time on a weakspot thus leading to damage values not applying to both spots

[@Homiloko2]

That's fine but the issue is the cards working weirdly. Like Glass Cannon only multiplies your non-weakspot damage. But silver bullets multiplies both weakspot and non-weakspot. It's just weird.

[@ehsher7441]

@@Homiloko2 because it’s only increasing damage for the body hitbox part of the damage, I think that’s why it gives us two damage numbers instead of one amplified one

[@SkylasDivide]

While I was testing similar things myself, I noticed that Holly's +25 Team Stamina seemingly changed the amount of extra stamina you get from stacking stamina off certain cards. Seems like character team effects stack multiplicatively, and has me wondering if regular team effects also stack multiplicatively with normal cards, and whether "character team" and "regular team" effects stack multiplicatively off each other. Could give Mandatory PT some extra incentive in a coordinated group deck.

[@leejesm]

I experimented with something similar with Hoffman's team ammo capacity card, and it seems to me it is added the same as all the other cards, Team or otherwise. ammo capacity is, sort of, combined additively. it might depend on the individual mechanic targeted.

[@cocoonman]

Thank you for testing.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

Really good to see someone going through this publicly in a video. Try and bring this kinda stuff up online or in forums and people lose their shit attacking you because you're "destroying their builds" even though no one is attacking anyone.... It's just information and facts folks.

[@hollowsveil5618]

Since Res Evil Resistance ive been watching you break game mechanics. WELL DONE BRO!!! You are a truly the GOAT

[@Scantronacon]

Wish RE Resistance could of became more, I really enjoyed that game man

[@CaptainIronpaw]

I like to think I'm pretty good at games but I'll never be the type to patiently break this kind of stuff down. Really glad there are guys like you doing all the math for us lol

[@alexgomez7689]

LITERALLY BROOO LMAOOO I'm the type of person when I fuck up or go down, I blame myself, not my (probably) pretty shitty deck build lol

[@Andresdha]

Dude, I thought I was gonna be clickbaited lol this is HUGE! Great find! Keep it up! Definitely earned my sub

[@recless8667]

Willing to bet all damage types are self-compounding: Melee, Bullet, Accessory, Fire, etc. Also, REAL weakspot bonus damage multipliers from what I've found: Stingers/Hockers, 2x Tall Boiys, 1.5x Common Ridden: 1.1x No clue on the retch tree and allegedly the stalkers take more dmg.

[@kami3989]

The 1.1x on commons is solely because of the 10% that knowledge is power gives you

[@recless8667]

@@kami3989 which is cancelled out by the 10% damage Walker gives you as a bot.

[@kami3989]

@@recless8667 Does that not apply to both instances of damage? Edit: Walker's +10% damage only affects Walker, his card gives the team +10 health

[@recless8667]

@@kami3989 according to SwingPoynt in this video, it's only to base damage. The whole discussion here is invalid though, SwingPoynt has clarified that the numbers from Knowledge is Power is a bug, and the Devs have confirmed only one number is used in the calculation

[@ericburns469]

“Why is it this way?” Because bad coding, I can’t imagine this was a deliberate choice or working as intended.

[@Anothergingerman]

Literally like half the game, still fun tho

[@cyphus5]

This explains why I'm so OP when I'm using my shotgun build with my friends in Recruit, even though we're all new. I've got the cards that give: 1 that gives Shotgun +30% damage, +10% Bullet Damage, and +20% Weakspot damage. I'm sure that's nothing for cards at Nightmare, but I'm smashing through stuff with my friends.

[@Harmonic14]

Even a Glock 1 shots stuff on Recruit, so it's not the best way to test builds

[@marcomazzarelli6732]

It's weird hearing things that make so much sense, but yet confuse you at the same time. This video makes me distrust 90% of deck build videos on youtube :0

[@33awesomeman33]

Right. Theres so much work to be done to figure out optimal decks and I DOUBT many people are doing it. They're just putting out mass content hoping some of it sticks.

[@lumpytoad1357]

Base Dmg & Weakspot Dmg are separate damage hits, that land at the same time when hitting a weakspot, and therefore calc independently from one another, with % increase cards. Bullet Cards increase both Base & Weakspot. Shotgun/Sniper % increase Cards are calc'd separate. Jim & Walker Dmg% calc'd separate. So to achieve max Gun Dmg, mix cards of Base Dmg%, Weakspot%, and other % categories, as opposed to just loading up on one. One exception is Melee. Melee% increase effects both Base Dmg with melee and weakspot Dmg with melee. Did I miss anything? I'm really curious as to how to Maximize my Explosive Damage with Frags.

[@2ksonicboom]

I know this is very late but I have only just got into B4B. The way to think of this is the order the damage is in. Melee/bullet damage is before you swing/fire Damage/specific gun damage is applied when you hit the target Weakspot is applied when you hit the weakspot It is calculated in order like the following Base damage X bullet damage=damage Damage X damage multiplier=damage done Damage X weakspot multiplier=weakspot damage done Being calculated in that order is why bullet/melee damage affects weakspot but damage multiplier doesn't.

[@frankylampard3931]

All this shows me is that the game needs a stats page as well as the "active cards" page. If we could see that your Bullet damage/ Weakspot damage/ General damage were different we could have figured this out... games a bit of a mess honestly I feel like they didnt really test this or the difficulty scaling at all. Thanks for vid tho, clearly explained... GJ

[@IrisOsiris]

Exactly. Since we can put together builds, we need a stats page so we can see exactly what our builds are doing. Just like the division or any other game with builds like this.

[@frankylampard3931]

@@IrisOsiris some parts of game is fun but most are pure laziness imo.

[@DarkhowlGaming]

My mind is blown with this one dude! You're definitely Back 4 Blood Master! 😊

[@BucklingSwashes]

Random note on Buckshot Bruiser: play with it while packing a full auto shotty against an Ogre or Breaker. It's insane.

[@tonyjoseph707]

This makes sense because I run melee damage and with all my damage cards I can kill a berserker by myself in just a few hits

[@venturaramirez6021]

Care to share that build?

[@OriginaIJuke]

@@venturaramirez6021 just stack all the melee cards. Meth head, brazen, batter up, ignore the pain etc

[@Superp32]

@@venturaramirez6021 Battle Lust , meth head , Mean Drunk , Berserker , Slugger , Batter Up , Brazen , Spiky Bits , Adrenaline Fueled , Vanguard , Run Like Hell , Breakout and 3 spots left for health or support iteams etc. (I am just about to unlock ignore the pain and face your fears )but not sure where i would put them at the moment

[@entretenimentoVS]

Someone coud please tell me if this math still used in the game in 2023? I just started playing with a friend, but I'm finding hard to locate up to date info on how the game really works.

[@authentiknature7184]

Gave a whole new meaning to the words deep dive. Thanks brother. The knowledge is much appreciated.

[@kevintrinh16]

The whole weak point damage thing is like duh to me sorry xD. It comes from Crit damage in Rpg games. Crit damage only effects crit attacks but not base/white attacks. Usually crits are usually red/yellow attacks. Usually in rpgs you would increase your crit chance to about 30-40% and max out crit damage as high as you can. then run a tank build to max out survivability and damage output. Sometimes in rpgs you can use items to turn total health pool to max crit damage. So like in the game guild wars 2 you could do this. I became a Glass cannon tank thief. It was so broken. But whats crazy about this game is that they dont combine in this game but are completely different damage sets.

[@timothylui8838]

It seems this video is now outdated. Hits on weak spots no longer show 2 numbers. Instead, the damage is combined. All damage multipliers except for the weakspot one are effective no matter where you hit. Weakspot damage and damage multipliers now belong to the same category so they are additive to each other but the rest of the multipliers belong to their own categories so they are multiplicative to each other.

[@edwardburke6556]

So basically you should have bullet damage before weakspot damage in your build for maximum benefit

[@hezu4795]

Basically, bullet damage > Weakspot damage > Weapon damage

[@NiteCyper]

@@hezu4795 Why weakspot damage > weapon damage? I would put weapon damage > weakspot damage because weakspot damage only works if you can hit the weakspot.

[@hezu4795]

@@NiteCyper Sorry i might have not payed enough attention, but for someone that hits weakspot constantly is having weakspot before weapon that good or still bad?

[@octaviogonzalez8794]

@@hezu4795 You should always aim for the weak spot and have bullet pen with silver bullets

[@darklaw7635]

This is an example of why girls say "I love when men talk about their passion"

[@marcellgreshamjr.2761]

Love how passionate you are about this man fr

[@christhiantrevisan8084]

Not gonna lie, I felt like I was back in a math class trying to understand everything while you said

[@mercyyy6429]

Huh...and I just made a pure damage gun build with only 2 weak spot damage cards 😭 Very intriguing though.... You should totally go through every card and make it it's own video 🤣

[@strataslayer2512]

this info honestly makes weakspot damage weaker if anything

[@patlesnar1]

@@strataslayer2512 omg, i cant believe people are this stupid

[@patlesnar1]

@@strataslayer2512 it makes the weak spot good! Don’t you understand a word in the video?

[@nathanallen8703]

@@strataslayer2512 bruh watch the video again 😂

[@steffanhymer1285]

@@nathanallen8703 I watched it for him. He is right. Weak spot is weaker with this information. If weak spot damage only goes up with weak spot cards and certain damage cards but not all, that makes it weaker as a stat. Glass canon doesn’t effect weak spot damage. Weaker. Shredder and confident killer potentially doesn’t effect weak spot damage. Weaker. Armored weak spots on mutations prevents weak spot damage and even base damage bonuses. Weaker. The point of the video was to show you not to stack weak spot or gun damage but to make a wide variety of damage bonuses for multiplier values. Edit: someone else confirmed confident killer does not add to weak spot damage. Making weak spot weaker again.

[@ghosthavenmusic]

Can't believe i've watched this whole messy stuff at nearly 2 am. Anyway, really cool video !

[@manfrombritain6816]

when u hit normally it does X damage. when you hit a weak spot or get a headshot it does X damage + Y bonus damage. +% damage cards only increase X, while weakspot +% cards only increase Y there, i saved you the entire first 5 mins of the vid in 1 sentence edit: "bullet damage +%" increases both X and Y. there, saved you a few more minutes

[@fredriddles1763]

I've done a little testing before in order to clarify that cards do what I would think they're supposed to do. The amount testing needed to figure out what is in this video though is insane, thank you!

[@phajthoj]

i went with a Frag Grenade dmg build through Accessory Dmg cards and its insane, you can almost 2 shot an Ogre and Breaker as Hoffman

[@Bammsaidthelady]

They must have outsourced a lot of the programming for this game! This seems like a nightmare under the hood.

[@moxeric6081]

Finally, the game mechanics I have been looking for!

[@xavierdrummond5391]

Did some simple quick testing for anyone who stumbles across this video, glass cannon definetly increases weakspot damage now. Using a full damage build without glass cannon, my shots did 174 non weak, and 765 weakspot damage. With a fulll damage build and glass cannon my shots did 217 non weak and 880 weakspot damage. If this video were true then you wouldn't even want to take glass cannon on a weakspot sniper build so its important to know this info is outdated. Also tested sniper damage from sniper pouch, and everything i stated about glass cannon also applies to sniper damage. I cannot tell you which of these damage bonuses stack exponentially, and which ones stack additively. Sniper damage is definitly exponential. Increased my weakspot damage by an entire 70.

[@za_bridge408]

It's because they want you to focus that weakspot damage with melee OR bullets. So that you're not too OP

[@yuxi_dota2yuxi715]

Im gonna likr and comment for the algorithm because im really impressed that you figured this out and the amount of work and dedication you put into your videos, I've been watching your videos since Re Resistance.great work and keep it up!

[@Felana1988]

I really hope tons and tons of B4B players see this video. This is crucial. Thanks a ton for the info man.

[@WorldinRooView]

This is going to encourage leaning into a character's strengths by utilizing their character bonuses with other card bonuses to create the multiplicative effects.

[@korbenmiller5387]

Which is good, I'm getting annoyed seeing other PS4 players play Doc and not buy Support Accessories and go lonewolf Melee. Along with Sniper Hollys. These bug me. I'm sure the other platforms have their Special Freds too, but, bro.

[@Yzorixul]

Hey SwingPoynt could you do a check on the "Shredder" card too? seems no1 knows if and how it gets affected by shotgun pellets. (Though if it works like Shotgun Bruiser its pretty much worthless on shotties.)

[@louisbartlett8099]

I’ve played this game 1 time so far and this video has helped a ton when just starting to build decks.

[@tj9944]

14:16 "because they said so" some's up the entire game's mechanics it really does.

[@craigbutler3282]

Im sure one of these days someone will be bored/cracked enough to meticulous calculate all of the game’s damage and healing calculations. Just to see how each of the cards formulas work and which card synergies are objectively better than others. I’m sure we’re gonna reach Yu-Gi-Oh levels of deck building shenanigans.

[@GalicianSniper]

That's what happens in Genshin Impact everytime a character is released xD

[@soap2630]

This is an extremely important thing in Warframe. I'm glad its getting showcased here in B4B because a lot of multiplicative builds can look a lot worse on paper, but out perform additive builds substantially.

[@beny.7574]

can't wait for part two of this video dealing with rare/epic weapons or weapon attachments

[@UncannyLuck]

Something you don't mention, but seems pretty important: at 19:35, it looks like your gun does 2 instances of weakspot damage (60.8 + 91.2) when you're hitting a weakspot when attacking the bruiser. Does glass cannon increase your damage at all when you shoot a weakspot like it does on commons? My bet is no.

[@KodokuSamaa]

It does only for the first hit. The weakspot counts as extra damage. (basically a 2nd hit)

[@RogueUwU]

This is definitely gonna help out with how I build decks

[@thyira3599]

I love that this video was so detaled. I don't think any other youtubers put that much emphasis on the details like u do. I really would love if u could make a detailed video about trauma damage, cause it seems that I get more trauma damage when use melee weapons with healing card builds.

[@rickcorcoran9566]

Good video. This game is kind of vague about most things. Makes it Hard for new players to understand. This should put you on the right path to properly building a deck. This could change your whole experience with the game. Well done.

[@fant64ez82]

it's no quite accurate to state they "multiplied" with each other before they got applied on your base damage, from a mathematical standpoint that is. the way it works is one of them applies before the other, so u apply 10% and then whatever number you get (which would be 41.8 assuming your base damage is 38) you also increase that by 10% meaning you multiply it by 1.10 (so 41.8*1.10 which gives us 45.98 which is roughly 46), so the percentage bonuses never multiply before they get applied again from a logical arithmetic perspective, they just have an order of application.

[@lorentaylor1262]

“Were using a crappy little bat” 😂😂

[@bradleyreid4214]

Haha 🤣🤣

[@weediestbroom]

That was probably the most useful and informative video on b4b I've seen 👍

[@unpredictablehalfbread6043]

A beautiful video. Really appreciate this one!

[@jxkvb3434]

Subbed instantly after this video. Very thorough and entertaining (: i would love to see if you come up with some mandatory cards and figure out when it becomes necessary (maybe just for yourself) to start picking other beneficial cards. I know I have my opinions but I would love to hear yours!

[@DR-zu4gg]

1)Does weakspot work with explosive? 2)Does piercing damage work too

[@mattakash3034]

So what about cards that make the infected take increased damage. For example cards like shredder and Sunder. these cause the target to take more damage. does this also affect weak spot damage?

[@bomjus1706]

considering the cards don't say "take more *bullet* damage or more *weakspot* damage etc. i would assume no. but we'll find out eventually.

[@citrinydus]

I want to guess it doesn't purely on the wording lol, so far any card that said increase damage be it glasss cannon's "+damage" or gun-specific one like "do +damage when using x gun", they both only affect base damage

[@Tendenciess]

Now there's a reddit thread with confirmation from the devs that this video is wrong?? There's too much misinformation about this game imo. it's mostly KZbinrs rushing videos out getting things wrong.

[@sappygoober]

dude you just opened my mind to some amazing decks! thank you so much!

[@CharityDiary]

Not sure if this applies to +Damage Resistance, though. I've had a total of +105% Damage Resistance before, in addition to the Scar Tissue card, and was still taking tons of damage, even on Recruit difficulty.

[@kami3989]

There is probably a base stat that the cleaner's have labelled "damage resistance", and the %damage resistance you're stacking increases that number as opposed to resisting 105% of the damage you take

[@CharityDiary]

@@kami3989 True. In that case, +100% Damage Resistance means that you'd just take half damage, which feels correct based on my experience. Dedicating the entire deck just to reach that value is definitely not worth it, and by extension, damage resistance cards as a whole are not worth it.

[@noah1535]

So instead of stacking cards of a damage type it's more effective to use one or two cards per category and stack categories? Are you going to be going through the cards individually or testing different things that aren't damage like you mentioned with character passives possibly being multiplicative?

[@bomjus1706]

definitely seems like a solid damage deck at this point would be hyper focused + silver bullets + large caliber rounds. i haven't personally tested it, but cards like shredder and marked for death are also interesting. if marked for death is its own "category" then that's another 1.1x multiplier for all your other damage on specials you spot. so 1.5x1.175x1.1, but we also don't know if marked for death damage applies to weakspots. swing also said that sniper damage from the sniper card does *not* affect weakspot damage. so it would be prudent to avoid gun specific damage cards as well. i tested tactical vest myself (10% AR damage) and that does not increase weakspot damage. with this knowledge in hand, i would run no-ADS decks for the most part, trading the bad, flat, damage cards for really efficient cards like motorcycle helmet. and mag coupler. while still taking the really good damage cards like hyper focused, silver bullets, large caliber rounds, and other relevant weakspot cards. also, different accessory damage cards should multiply too becaues "different categories". which means if you take improvised explosives with the +75% accessory damage card, your frag grenades would be dealing 2.0x1.75 damage. so 3.5x damage. one person with those two cards and some frag grenades would make the hag basically irrelevant.

[@bomjus1706]

tested it myself, patient hunter does not work vs weakspots. but i think the card might still be worth it in LMG decks since it will help immensely vs tallboys and reekers when hitting the weakspot isn't an option. also, good to know, but the -10% damage dealt on the +2 offensive/support accessory inventory cards does *NOT* affect damage dealt to weakspots. so those inventory cards are extremely good since you really aren't losing out on much damage.

[@noah1535]

@@bomjus1706 The -10% only applying to normal damage really makes those cards a lot better than they seem. I wouldn't say weapon damage cards are useless, like what you mentioned with patient hunter that some general damage could be beneficial so cards like Rolling Thunder are bad, but the +ammo and damage cards are alright still but more for the ammo than the damage. Definitely only take one of them max though, more than one only normal damage increase is bad. Silver bullets is basically the best gun damage card now (assuming you take a copper card like money grubbers to balance the cost)

[@pj-wille]

I don't mind any of these mechanics, just wish they were more transparent about it and made sure the players knew. Thank you for doing their job for them.

[@SPIKEYROXAS]

This is useful thanks. Ill add a column onto the public card compendium for damage types :D

[@lewisbaker9894]

Honestly so interesting holy shit. Hope some powerful builds come from this lul

[@Vivi_Strike]

Strong builds already exists and being used its just a matter of ordering them properly now. Before the general consensus was to stack the same damage type early, now its to get every damage category early before stacking the same ones.

[@JabbaWockyy]

Subbed, excellent content. Appreciate all the time and effort you put into this one, you articulated yourself very well. The community is better for having you in it!

[@richardpell]

Very informative, thank you

[@KlassickG]

So you have a base damage (bullet dmg) and then 2 separate modifiers. Body shot dmg is 1x bullet + dmg cards. Weakspot(crits) is 2x + weakspot cards. Both scaling off of the base damage. Thats pretty good information.

[@apexlegendsfights3192]

Very Informative. Thank You!

[@Gabitix123]

Thank you, I'll have to change some cards from my deck.

[@webuser2014]

Never thought Bullet damage was soo OP dayum. Please make a full video which cards do which kind of damage.

[@Angel-wi5pu]

Thank you for taking the time to do this, the game has a lot of hidden mechanics.

[@mediumwaffle]

bullet damage is another global variable separate from the other 2: damage, and weakspot. it increases the damage of each bullet meaning anywhere you hit with a bullet (including penetrating rounds), it will increase damage

[@ika.Sensei]

TL;DR Net damage on weak spot=> b(x+y) Net modifier compared to weak spot without cards=> 0.5(x+y) For anyone interested, I made some easy formulas for determining your net damage increase with cards. x is the net modifier for your general hit damage (e.g. 1.25 for glass canon). y is the net modifier for your weak spot hit damage. Net modifier for the total damage is simply: x+y (e.g. 1.25+1.15=2.40) Multiply this to your base weapon damage b to get your total damage b(x+y) (e.g. 60(2.40)=144). To get a how much damage damage your cards do compared to hitting a weak spot without cards, simply take half of x+y (e.g. 0.5(2.40)=1.20). I.e. you'd deal 20% more damage upon hitting weak spots with those 2 cards as opposed to without cards. Obviously to get x and y, add like categories together and multiply different ones (e.g. (1+(0.25[damage]+0.10[damage])•(1+0.15[bullet damage])=1.35•1.15=1.5525 x=1.5525 While (1+0.15[weak spot damage])•(1+0.15[bullet damage])=1.15•1.15=1.3225 y=1.3225 (x+y)=2.845 So net damage with a weak spot shot is 60(2.845)=121 And it's 0.5(2.845)=42.25% stronger than not having cards

[@BlueBD]

I did notice with buckshot bruiser that It didn't feel like it was doing what it should until I was blasting Mutations when I would stack crazy Temp health numbers. When shooting hordes it didn't do it until I started stacking penetration and I was blasting hordes. that I was giving me good HP value

[@MrJubilantMess]

Can we get a TLDR? What damage cards should we prioritize when deck building? Weak spot vs billet damage?

[@wtfronsson]

Bullet damage and melee damage add to both regular and weakspot. So the number you see is actually double. When a card says just damage, it doesn't apply to weakspot bonus in any way at all. So the tldr is that you put all the bullet damage back in the deck, and only keep the very best of the regular or weakspot damage cards. lol.

[@spike315]

Half of this seems like bugs but truly, knowledge is power

[@lowfatyogurt3706]

Hey I'm having a hard time following, is there any short rule I should use while picking my cards?

[@raider968]

TLDR: Its more effective to stack damage boost to multiple different categories (eg weakspot damage, bullet damage, sniper damage, character damage (walker, Jim bonus) etc) than it is to stack boost for ONE category of damage (eg weakspot alone). So build your deck with the best cards from each damage category. To work out (or guess) which card is its own category, READ the cards. If the card says 10 percent damage increase to Assault Rifles, chances are that card is its own category of damage. Its ridiculous how the system works but that's how the devs apparently designed it.

[@Anomaly-33]

9:17 I think a less confusing way of explaining this interaction is, rather than multiplying the cards with each other first then multiplying the base damage by 1.21, to just do one card then the other. 110% of 38 then 110% of 41.8... functionally it's exactly the same but that's how most people learned multiplicative vs additive so it won't sound as bizarre.

[@lapezy7571]

What happens is the multiplied base is multiplied , not necessarily 21 percent increase. You do 38x 1.1 and take that and multiply that by 1.1 again and you got the answer

[@venturaramirez6021]

My dude using math to educate the gamers on how to become better gamers. Earned a sub. great video. Haven’t seen any thing like it.

[@Scantronacon]

Thank you SwingPoynt! Keep up the amazing content my g

[@joeclare1344]

Can you please make a video on how healing works. Does healing efficiency increase health gained by cards? can you make a regen build etc?

[@ElMofo9]

I mean it kind of makes sense as to why bullet/melee damage count towards weak spot damage but gun/ed don't. I still don't think it makes sense to split up how the ed types interact with eachother but at the same time its kinda cool

[@mikeyuso9231]

Definitely never seen a video before now but am subscribing