This will make you hate D&D even more! [Game of Thrones SPOILERS!]

So in short D&D are bad writers...
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[@thematrix1101]

The one death in Game of Thrones that no one expected: Game of Thrones

[@genesisdawn6672]

"If you thought this was going to end well, you haven't been paying attention." Ramsay Snow, Season *Three*

[@xavierp7783]

Britannia they were 2 of most expected deaths. Both men were honourable idiots. I knew robb was dead the moment he married

[@nobfaic]

actually we've been expecting it since season 5

[@adrianramirez8882]

@@genesisdawn6672 but it did have a happy ending....

[@makubegysman6160]

Now that's really game of thronesish

[@dingusrevolver]

Sam being the oldest Tarly is literally the reason he was sent to the wall.

[@thesaltydawg8386]

D&D didnt read the books that they are writing....

[@EpigTheEpicPig]

@@thesaltydawg8386 They kinda forgot.

[@martina-dd6vb]

@@thesaltydawg8386 they really didn't though. I watched an interview where they got asked by a fan who their favorite non POV character was and they said Sam Tarly (who is one, obviously) :D

[@CarInMyAss]

This killed me when i heard them say it

[@martina-dd6vb]

Jack it's sad but it's probably true lol

[@MyFavoriteSportsballTeam]

Imagine being paid millions to write the most successful tv show of all time, and using, “she just king of forgot” as reasoning for anything a primary character would or would not do in one of the most important episodes of said show.

[@fatallyfatcat5274]

Bloody fanfictions are usually more intelligently witten than season 8

[@edelleaa]

@@fatallyfatcat5274 yeah fanfiction surely has a lot more knowledge and passion in it... you can see these guys didn't really care about the show at all, just about their success and inflated egos

[@boomboom6577]

It was career suicide. Utter contempt.

[@nickmessner700]

Even more simply imagine saying a character "kinda forgot" about the largest fleet in the world. That's a hell of a threat to forget.

[@Goldenspiderducck]

“Somehow, Palpatine returned.”

[@five5ofeyes978]

Arya scream jumping at the night king is one of the funniest things to go back and rewatch now. Wtf kind of assassin is that lol

[@jiujiu9816]

Ikr

[@Ginric99]

All those years, all that work and effort all that practice. To learn how to drop a knife from one hand to the other.

[@cruzbob6644]

I remember watching that and literally throwing the water bottle I was drinking at the TV. My gf at the time asked me why and I blew up saying they’ve ruined the show. Would’ve been one of the greatest shows ever had they just stuck to George’s plan. Can’t wait for the books

[@ratkovac7]

Girl power !!!!!! 15 year little girl kills the strongest creature in the universe. Its honestly disgusting more and more everytime you rewatch anything from s5-8

[@Ginric99]

@@ratkovac7 18 years old and really, I had no issue with her killing the night king, it was the setup and how she just appeared.

[@samster8096]

Funny how they rushed GoT for Star Wars only to get kicked off of that project LOL

[@madamebkrt]

LOL WHAT?? They got kicked? TELL ME MORE!!

[@plls2880]

@@madamebkrt They "backed off" because they didn't have enoughtime for their 3 Netflix series.... In other words.... They got kicked off for their bad writing and they didn't want to embarrass themselves with the truth.... Lol!!

[@madamebkrt]

@@plls2880 LOL serves them right tbh

[@plls2880]

@@madamebkrt Ik right!!!

[@SusaVile]

Poetic justice;) or may I say "Game of Thrones" justice was served just right

[@IR240474]

France kinda forgot about Hitler.

[@Iamzani]

Lmfao

[@dYrOiUs]

David Keane holy shit lmao

[@redbeard3946]

Jesus dude ROFL

[@joffy9373]

Hah, thats dark mate, love it 😂

[@anaelfabreker4324]

Lmao

[@arceuslegend4605]

Dumb and Dumber talked about how they didn't want to be "predictable" when they picked Arya to kill the Night King, and GRRM has warned against this too: something along the lines of "if you have a murder mystery, and you've planned the story until the big reveal where the butler did it, but people start guessing it was the butler, and you want to surprise them by saying that it was actually the chamberlain, then you've just ruined your entire work". It applies perfectly here

[@RatherHood]

The worst thing about season 8 is that I would have loved to see Danny have reasons and time to develop a certain madness, but not in the course of one fucking episode! It would take at least a whole season to make it feasible

[@campbelldowler1396]

How about a whole show? Because she kinda hasn't changed at all since episode 5.

[@lukebullen705]

The night king being defeated in one episode a bigger travesty imo

[@davidlewis5312]

@@lukebullen705 I do juggle which was worse, the way the Night King is defeated in that one episode and how bad that episode was as a whole. Or Danny in episode 5 of the series just going 'welp I am evil now' and the show actually trying to make us feel sympathy for Cersei... uh NO!

[@jgamer2228]

Not even just one episode, _one fucking scene_

[@missym877]

I’m so annoyed with people complaining about Dany’s arc. Her ending is about the only one that makes sense and they were certain clues that definitely showed her arrogance and thirst for power had grown. Power is the root of all evil. Power corrupts all. Like these are typical story tropes for a reason, Dany didn’t need more fleshing out for being mad, especially when her dad was the mad king (no doubt some form of bipolar disorder). But Jon, he was absolutely robbed. You don’t build a character arc to make him Azor Ahai, resurrect him like he’s some god like figure with some long game purpose, add all of these clues just to later confirm he is indeed the true heir to the iron throne, just to completely plow through all of that and dismantle and erase his character development, sending him back over the wall, where he began as an insecure, self deprecating “bastard.”

[@obsessivefangirl5055]

You guys I think David and Dan are geniuses. They pulled off the biggest plot twist of all times. They've killed the show itself.

[@rebatsu]

Bittersweet... Sweet being: there might be books someday with better ending

[@marcuskurze9759]

@@rebatsu GRRM already said that the end of the books will be different.We can hope.

[@Jakegothicsnake]

@@marcuskurze9759 Personally, I hope the ending is considerably different from the show. And in all honesty, I actually would like for it to be a happy ending, at least happy in comparison to the show's ending. I know George R.R. Martin wanted a bittersweet ending, but with the lackluster ending we got with the show, a happy ending would be more welcome.

[@marcuskurze9759]

@@JakegothicsnakeI am open for surprises.It can hardly be more bitter than the ending in the Show.Some minor things would aready make it better so lets wait and see.

[@padma1211]

Jakegothicsnake I’d settle for an ending that makes sense

[@coqui9879]

The Dothraki kinda forgot they were dead

[@swarmsea]

haha good one

[@MrOrmanley]

Because what's dead may never die...or something?

[@snakehead4213]

Christopher Herrera that happens to me sometimes

[@andyappleton3353]

No no no. You got it all wrong. The Night King raised them remember? Duuuhhhh. Then Daenarys explained to them in plain Dothraki why their lives would be much improved if they renounced their Night Kingy ways and came back to the flock. You have to read the expanded universe to understand the nuance.

[@Tommy-su9tb]

Lol. She split her army. Pay attention to the show

[@ProLentz123]

"Kinda" forgetting about the Iron fleet is like Allies in WW2 "kinda" forgetting about Japan.

[@erikdayne5429]

AFTER Pearl Harbor

[@48917032]

Or the Bismarck "kinda forgetting" about the Home Fleet

[@AAdams456]

Or Hitler kinda forgetting about the Soviet Army

[@rarmai]

Like landing at Normandy and forgetting about the German army.

[@Brslld]

"Rommel kinda forget about the Allied Landings"

[@BotzaBrand]

"Why do you think I came all this way?" If he would have stood up and started dancing or turned into a bird and flown away that would have redeemed the season for me.

[@kingjoeofschmo1286]

This had me rolling thank you for this comment😂😂😂. I just imagined Bran standing up and dancing like the pirates in Sea of Thieves

[@Elldorado12]

What do we say to good writing? D&D: Not today!

[@kossttamojaan]

😂🤣😂🤣😂👊

[@samtheguru]

Haha

[@Andre_APM]

Seriously though this has been copy pasted in so many comment sections

[@alexviye5210]

This foolishness raises my blood pressure higher than McDonald’s. Boycott this pair of health hazards.

[@SH19922x]

I heard the Night King just got signed by Disney, fucking pussy ass fake king

[@infinitegb2693]

"WhY dO yoU tHiNk I caME All tHiS wAY" ....... this line pissed me off

[@brightestdarkness7882]

Infinite GB that had me SO MAD. like bro. Seems to me like if you knew about this then you knew about a whole lot of shit. Shit that could have made things different

[@kaloryfer99999]

I'm always amazed how many people put actual effort into typing whole sentences in this way.

[@infinitegb2693]

@@kaloryfer99999 people who think its an effort r actually retarded *facts

[@Shademastermcc]

@@infinitegb2693 They can't type too gud and not have gud brains. So typing in alternating capital letters appears difficult.

[@theultimutblitz1214]

If he knew it would happen then he knew about all those who would die and so didn’t give a shit about innocents dying. So yeah, perfect choice to rule the people lol

[@justatroll4282]

Can we all just appreciate Emilia Clarke's beautiful performance till the very end. She tried....

[@u.v.s.5583]

Emilia Clarke fought valiantly, Emilia Clarke fought bravely, Emilia Clarke died.

[@frauleinhohenzollern8442]

All the actors did a great job.

[@SpiffierShindigs]

The second (and last ever) time I watched the ending, after acceptance had set in... wow she fucking nailed that throneroom scene. I was in anticipatory tears the whole time,

[@Alpha1918]

Honestly I didn't like her character very much. Too self-righteous and pretentious. Had a god complex and it was so bad she made herself look unlikeable even after freeing slaves.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

As bad as the final season was, the real victim was George who had his franchise soiled by the show.

[@eijiniizuma6184]

george refuses to complete his work hes partially to blame for this disaster

[@Serenade2461]

@@eijiniizuma6184 he updated his blog recently to say he should be finished Winds of Winter next year. Also, he left in season 4 so anything from there on out was purely on D&D

[@arvi8843]

He'll benefit from it actually, people want real closure thus anticipation for the remaining books. 🤣

[@eijiniizuma6184]

@@arvi8843 George has no idea how to end his series and given the disaster that was the live action adaptation it appears as though everything he setup was for nothing I have no interest in continuing to support his work hes lost in a sea of muddled narrative

[@arvi8843]

@@eijiniizuma6184 A lot of people stopped watching when there is no more source material, so yeah for sure he'll benefit off if it. GRR may or may not finish the books since if he is really focused on that and not other novels or gigs like House of Dragon, he'd have more time to write the book. Maybe he's burnout already or lacks motivation because he's already rich. Wahahaha I don't know.

[@dwaynedekort4730]

It's funny that they submitted themselves for the Emmys in the categories best writer and best script, even after the fan backlash. How arrogant can you be lol

[@HaribeI]

Omg that's actually fucked these guys are actual cocks lmao

[@jordyv.703]

@@HaribeI Cocksuckers

[@oliversteed8444]

Cockcuckers

[@matosviniciusr]

imagine if they win

[@HoneyBeeOpal]

@@HaribeI cucksockers

[@eliasalvarez1985]

I was surprised that Khal Drogo did not appear for the final battle.

[@rajakr2096]

Yep, Thankfully he became the Aquaman.

[@mario_gabriel]

Edo tensei

[@atheistgirl4869]

Elias Alvarez good joke😂

[@genesisdawn6672]

The word is sad. Not surprised. Sad.

[@mammal1988]

He was there! He was standing behind ghost in the darkness 😂

[@reedhemree895]

Bran was like : "I cant be lord of anything, ive never said i couldnt be king of everything LOOOOOL"

[@brianmayabella5992]

I smirk on this one. When he said, why would he be here.

[@folded_pizza]

Battles can actually be pretty boring WHEN I CAN'T FUCKING SEE THEM SHARON

[@Throwingflags]

Who has a better story than Bran??? Jon snow: 🙋🏻‍♂️ Breanne: 🙋 Camera man: 🙋🏿‍♂️

[@TJ-fe7rr]

Why is cameraman black? What's that supposed to mean? Just kidding 🤣🤣🤣

[@tatomtskhvetadze1173]

@@TJ-fe7rr not funny didn't laugh

[@shawarmageddonit]

"Then Bran"? When Bran what??

[@EllaithiAli]

Bran is the most boring character in the show.

[@marythebaddiestuartqueenof8931]

Bran the boring

[@catmetal1348]

"This will make you hate D&D even more!" Challenge Accepted. Achievement unlocked.

[@chrisredfield4537]

Genius!.

[@majed8192]

They defenitely did, I mean I already knew all of the things mentioned except the one with George R Martin foreshadowing how unfounded "subverting" can ruin a series, my hate percentage defenitely increased after that

[@FastNCurious88]

Cat Metal 💯💯💯💯💯

[@Ocyla]

Yeah. I think this made me angrier than anything I've watched before.

[@robocop6412]

my hate is noting anymore

[@Manudyne]

Dany: "Did you die"? The Dothraki: "Sadly yes. But I managed to survive"

[@margaritapavlova7310]

What pissed me of was that D&D called all of the dissatisfied fans "toxic fandom" and said things like "people are mad because they didn't get the ending they wanted", it is so frustrating to see the share lack of responsibility these guys feel for completely destroying the legacy of such an amazing artwork. The fact the they completely disregard valid points fans make about giant plot holes in the last season and shift blame back to the fans is so ridiculously immature. How about acknowledging that this "toxic fandom" made you rich in the first place and you owe them at least as little as some respect. Damn... its been almost 2 years and I'm still mad

[@SaucyLiving]

Arya killing the NK is like Hermione killing Voldermort. BUT ITS UNEXPECTED!!!!!

[@22steve5150]

yeah, if I showed up in their homes, tied them up, beat them senseless, and took a shit in their mouths I'm sure that would be unexpected, so by their logic it would be just fine for me to do that.

[@liamrawlinson8198]

Do I think Hermione was skilled enought to kill Voldemort given the task? Yes. The same for Arya and the Night King. Does that mean they should abandon years and several books of build up and foreshadowing to do that? Of course not that would be ludicrous.

[@jeffstut55]

subverting expectations dude

[@22steve5150]

@@jeffstut55 Only expectation they subverted was the one where we expected it to be good or make any fucking sense.

[@Hachikoi333]

They watched a lot of shyamalan's bad movies

[@Abitofeverything4]

I remember when Bran said “why do you think I’ve come all this way” my whole family screamed “Bullshit!”

[@anotherlemontree]

I love this comment so much.

[@bluntedcorleone3628]

There was so much wrong with that. Dorne had been fighting for independence from the throne for centuries. But they're cool with the heir of Winterfell taking the Iron Throne, whilst Winterfell itself is granted the freedom to operate as it's own independent nation. BULLSHIIIIIIIT! Just bad writing

[@saeedvazirian]

Actually for him to be a political schemer all along is less bullshit than it being for a dramatic reason. That part actually makes sense, he didn't do much throughout because he had seen what happens, and didn't want to ruin the trajectory of events so that he DOES end up powerful.

[@erideb3864]

My whole family including me saw that and we called it horseshit

[@TanstA]

Anyone who hires D&D today is basically saying "We don't care about talent or logic"

[@u.v.s.5583]

We forgot that they wrote GoT.

[@silence8227]

disney would probably do it when you consider the hired jj abrams

[@luismiranda8944]

They're working on a show for Netflix based on some sci fi book series. Can you imagine going from the biggest show ever, to then Disney (where they got fired for failing to come up with an idea after being given an entire year to figure it out) to back to making shows based on an existing book series? Its like these guys only know how to adapt other people's work.

[@damian_madmansnest]

@@luismiranda8944 Well the only thing they actually did well is adapting GRRM’s existing books. They overreached, but then were brought back into their place.

[@A.WW-oi4xp]

There perfect for the velma show

[@mohammednurul9380]

I feel for the channel owner, having to go and rewatch all that shite all over again.

[@Iamzani]

Working on a very big project regarding GoT. This was nothing :p

[@ShamblesMD]

HBO: "You're positive you don't want an extra $5 million an episode in case you go over budget?" Dumb & Dumber: "Na brah. It's all good brah. We got this." HBO: "You're sure you don't want 10 episodes, or extra seasons? We can put the main cast on 4 season contract extensions. They don't mind. I mean some of them are fans of the books, and even GRRM suggested that this show go 12 seasons, along with a prequel series to go with it." Dumb & Dumber: "Nah brah. 6 good brah. Subvert them brah." HBO: "OK, but the idea was that the two shows would alternate every year, giving both series 2 years to film a season, since the budgets are so big." Dumb & Dumber: "Save time and money brah. They spend too much on catering brah. You know how fast ice cream melts in the desert brah? 'S bad brah."

[@estetty]

"Subvert them bra" 😂

[@beatz04]

Ths sad thing is, that's basically what actually happened.

[@D4N1L0_]

@@estetty this comment is way to true

[@pastorTracy911]

Controlled Chaos you have won the Internet.

[@maxhydekyle2425]

"Are you just doing this so you can make Star Wars?" "Nah brah, who told you that?" "I'm calling Kathy" "Fuck."

[@ChopTopSawyer]

Daenerys forgetting about the iron fleet was infuriating, but when you showed the clips of everyone reminding her I just died laughing at how stupid this show has become.

[@JayCity10]

To be fair, she kind of forgot about it. 😂😂😂

[@diavolo23231]

​@@JayCity10 She didn't forget about the fleet. They were supposed to be in the iron islands as Euron acted like a coward and he said he's taking the iron fleet to the iron islands when he saw the undead fighter in King's Landing. Euron and Cersei deceived Daenerys and her people and that's why the fleet surprised her. But the dumbass at 3:59 probably forgot what they wrote and he said Dany forgot hahaha :D :D

[@ipraytovodka]

@@diavolo23231 and jaime literally told her thats not the case when he arrived...and then her advisors who have spies everywhere reminded her about it....

[@kritikanchan9313]

@@ipraytovodka also, no matter she forgot, anyone can see such a huge armada from up above in the broad daylight.

[@TheTriforceDragon]

@@kritikanchan9313 Yeah, if it is clear enough weather for them to see and hit her dragon, it is clear enough that she can spot them about half an hour before she even flies into range of them.

[@e.g.4483]

Helm’s Deep is hands down my favorite LOTR battle scene. I’ve seen it over 100 times and it NEVER gets old. Ever. D&D just didn’t care about their project anymore but were too selfish to hand it off to someone who would care.

[@ginae.2462]

With the Missandei name thing, they also continuously pronounce Catelyn like Kaitlyn instead of Cat-lyn even though it's said multiple times in the show, with characters even calling her Cat (not Kate) and they are the PRODUCERS

[@ErinJeanette]

There are random clips of them now just being straight up disrespectful and acting like they know nothing and don't care about the show waaay before they destroyed it. I'd like a thriller about evil producers who take a man's work and produce it masterfully at first and then halfway through turn it into a nightmare, because it's actually bizarre and makes no sense. It's like they started to hate the fans, show, and story. Weirdos

[@errrno1761]

I would rather the show ended with the Night King killing everyone and the whole place covered in snow.... would be a better ending

[@Carsu12]

True. And it would make sense considering how hopeless the whole situation looked. Would be real expectation subversion

[@jeffreygao3956]

And then have it be all ice dancing, snowball fights, and ice paradise? Awesome!

[@LachskoenigIV]

Honestly. Better ending with less effort, while providing a scenario to maybe later pick up on. People from Essos wondering why the trade stopped, wights brought over on ships etc. But most importantly people also wouldn't shut up about that kind of ending.

[@shepherdstar14]

I WANTED THAT. I wanted everyone at winterfell to either die or retreat into hiding. We’d lose important characters like Jorah Mormont and Berix Dondarion and Tormund, for sure but we’d GAIN a better story with higher stakes when both the dead AND Daenerys want to sack Kings Landing and then you could have had Cersei finally have a use for the wildfire, scarce as it was after she blew up the sept of Baelor. I think if only they decided to make a “Zombie” apocalypse style for the 8th season and then did a 9th season we could finally see characters like Jaime get redeemed, Cersei could even get redeemed or kill herself, Danearys could slowly lose her mind as time went on leading to Jon having to sacrifice her for the good fo the realm, and then instead of throwing Jon in prison we coule have seen Jon become the king of the seven kingdoms and lead the people out of darkness but also give the crown to bran knowing he’ll be well guarded as he retreated to the north for the rest of his days. Sansa could have had many kore good moments in the end commanding her forces, Arya could still have played a part in killing the Night King, or maybe she and Jon could have done it together. I could think of many great possible outcomes this show potentially had.

[@davidstone281]

Would've made more sense than the trashfest we got

[@AndrejNikolov-xw2gi]

What's worse is that HBO itself offered them 12 seasons but they refused...

[@stewartmcminn7773]

Couldve been the highest grossing TV show that was ever made.. but not today

[@leonpaelinck]

@firstname lastname I know they should have passed the torch once they lost intrest in the series but they wanted all the credit. Now they got all the blam lmao they did a walder Frey on us

[@Jaypes1]

they also offered to let another team take over the project

[@yesnoyesyesnoyesss]

@@stewartmcminn7773 my god bruh i cant imagine what we're missing out on i wish there was a way to continue the show with season 8 being someones false vision

[@1234willali]

I don't blame them for not doing 12 episodes. They knew they can't pull it off much longer. They ran out of idea. Killing it early at least would make it much more forgivable considering if they did 12 mediocre episodes with immature dialogue. What happened to more sophisticated lines??

[@bearok89]

The brother part is especially infuriating since Sam being the older brother is literally the entire reason for his character

[@SpectralArchivist]

"Dany's not her father, she's not insane, and she's not a sadist-" Me: **looking at Season 8** You were on the verge of greatness, you were _this_ close!

[@victorortiz6272]

Season 8 was what happens when someone is still working after giving their two weeks notice.

[@MsEmber84]

If this ain't right I don't know what is -smfh-

[@MikeSmith-xk8bh]

Spot on!

[@jakemasters2674]

I put in a 2 week notice a week ago and this made me laugh, so trueee

[@trillrifaxegrindor4411]

fuck yeah

[@AGuyCalledHarry]

More like 2 year notice ... heh heh

[@oogabooga6183]

Who else thought this shows ending was perfect despite what everyone says

[@erenlucilfer420-69]

Same here bro she was like playing assains creed there

[@deathlike13]

You guys forget its game of arya not game of thrones

[@Jm649]

Oh god so much this. Or the adventures of Tormund and Brienne, give me a break -__-

[@deathlike13]

@@Jm649 brienne the greatest warrior got beaten by an girl the night king so easy destroyed with her teleporting skill she got almost every best moments she should have died atleast 6 times

[@Jm649]

@@deathlike13 Yes I agree. The NK was able to bring down a whole dragon with one spear, yet wasn't able to snap the neck of a small girl whilst catching her in mid air? The whole WW arc is a travesty of story telling in general tbh....Sad

[@Blubableful]

Bran becoming king and being like "planned it all along" while sending Jon back to the nightwatch pissed me off the most (after Dannys total character execution).

[@snape6156]

If you need a segment after every episode of the writers explaining what happened in the episode, that’s a hell of a red flag

[@RJR1787]

Exactly what the walking dead has done for the past few seasons to make up for their ineptitude too

[@nathans.5911]

Dany *forgot* about the Iron Fleet..... is probably the poorest excuse I've heard from them ever.

[@osareafallire]

"kind of forgot"

[@adelaidereich8621]

kinda sorta 💀

[@ChaosEIC]

Yeah it is a poor excuse. If they had filmed it better. Like Euron ambushing them on sea is totally possible. I mean he is the best and most experienced Admiral in Westeros after all. But you could do a better job telling the story. Like him hiding on fishing ships to just reveal their weapons when it is already too late or him activly avoiding line of sight and so on. But like that it is just sad....

[@user-gw4zg1qm8m]

Aaarghhhh....

[@honeysung_6712]

More like *they* forgot

[@Apollosonic]

Danny was hundreds of feet in the air and they're trying to tell me she couldn't see behind a medium sized land mass

[@MrSpartanspud]

Are you perchance familiar with Wanted: Weapons of Fate? Arrow bending baby.

[@Apollosonic]

@Yowatsapp 05 it really do be like that

[@Outworlder]

@Leon Russell Extreme accuracy? No sir, you are mistaken. Euron was the captain of an Aegis guided missile cruiser. VFX guys didn't get the memo and used the asset of an old ship instead. That's the only explanation.

[@Oshidorinohina]

@Leon Russell heat seeking spears CLEARLY

[@ingooldsen5972]

That´s special ironborn magic: What´s offscreen is invisible!

[@GoldfishLiberty]

It took me almost two full years to recover from how bad Season 8 was. I rewatch some of the earlier seasons and just fall in love with this show all over again. Until I remember how terrible season 8 was, then I just stop watching.

[@princessirulancorrino4695]

Then do as I did. For me season 8 doesn’t exist. Period. And invent in your head a better ending, that is going to be way better than what we had. This show deserved better

[@bpaige925]

Just binge watched for the first time since my first watch through (which was the month before the final season). I was so scorned. & now I am scorned all over again. Went from one of the biggest things in pop culture that was building a huge legacy for it to disappear overnight. If you search GOT nothing recent comes up. The ending completely sent everything this story was and could’ve been up in smoke.

[@VileImpin]

lol you should have gotten the message after season 4.

[@kbarrera021]

"When dead mean and worse come hunting for us in The night do you think it matters who sits on the iron throne?" What i like about House of the Dragon is that they emphasize the importance of the prince that was promised and how a Targaryen must be the one sitting on the iron throne when the Night king and his army arrive

[@YourBlackLocal]

Dickon being sams older brother doesn’t even make sense. Sam wouldn’t be sent to the nights watch if he had an older brother.

[@nickdentoom1173]

Exactly.

[@easjer]

Yes. But it was nice to see Tom Hopper for a few minutes before he got roasted.

[@trla6505]

Why not?

[@TheCrusaders13]

ton because his older brother would get the family name and tittle. Not Sam. Sam was only sent because he wasn’t a fighter like his dad. And by him being the eldest he would get everything when his father dies. Old world stuff. The roadway gets everything. Only if it’s a boy.

[@trla6505]

@@TheCrusaders13 ohh okay thanks

[@dath29]

Or when Tormund says "What kind of crazy bastard rides a dragon?" After he had already ridden one in himself lol

[@TheSuperNats]

With like 5 other people including Dany who is literally the mother of dragons and the person who saved him.

[@danieldaw1778]

To be fair, Jon did do a little more than simply ride one. It's like comparing riding on a wild stallion as the passenger and riding as the person commanding the stallion.

[@mikehu2451]

He *kinda forgot* he did that

[@stephaniel2850]

What irritates me most about that one is that there was literally NO NEED for Tormund's praising of Jon in that scene to have anything whatsoever to do with the dragon riding! Like... Jon had genuinely done tons of amazing sh*t that was all his own, and Tormund absolutely would have gushed about him that way no matter what, so why focus it around the ONE thing that was first and foremost Daenerys' thing!? What, like it would be too much of a stretch to suggest that Dany could start feeling jealous and insecure about Jon being loved based on his actual, well-earned merit? All it did to have it be about the dragon riding was give credence to the Dany fans who like to claim that "Jon got all the credit and did nothing while Dany did everything"- which simply isn't the case whatsoever, so why suddenly MAKE it the case as if Tormund couldn't have far more realistically just gushed about everything Jon had done for the North and the Free Folk? And yes, it also would have made a lot more sense anyway given that Tormund had in fact ridden on Drogon before himself.

[@peterpan7948]

@@stephaniel2850 Tormund didn't ride it.. he was just a passenger.. but yeah that scene was stupid af. Cuz he saw dany riding drogon and saving all of them while burning the "zombies" but he didn't say anything about that. But when dany allows jon to ride a dragon, suddenly jon becomes "King of the seven kingdoms" material for tormund. Stupid writing if u ask me.

[@Soulintheshadows]

Honestly my whole hope for the long night was a whole 8-9 episode with in darkness, takes at least a few years or at least months, and i know it's call Winterfell but I wouldn't mind if Winterfell, fell to winter, so we can see the effects of the night king making his way down to the south

[@mathiashls]

All I want is a honest talk from Martin about season 8. Like, how is he feeling about it? Cause man, I´m pissed, now imagine this guy

[@femalehitchhikersguidetoth8990]

He is obviously not happy with it, didnt you see the end bit wher he talks? He doesnt wanna insult or talk bad because he is a good guy but he saya it in a kind way

[@MONSTERKILL2013]

@@femalehitchhikersguidetoth8990 That clip is from 2011

[@wildeskompositum9556]

He has a clip saying”we could gave gone more seasons and episodes but they didnt think so. There was enough material for more seasons” so yeah

[@mr.fantastic6568]

He dosent care Its why his books arent finished yet

[@RJR1787]

@@mr.fantastic6568 he must care. Imagine spending all that time making your books perfect only for D&D to rush the TV series ending and screw it up even though they had the option of more series. Its like making the perfect 7 tier wedding cake and finishing it off with a house brick on top

[@kesayo]

They completely destroyed a franchise that could have spawned more sequels, merchandising, video games and maybe even a movie or three. I’m sure George R.R. is as pissed as anyone.

[@dylankane9709]

kesayo not for anything but George doesn’t have the right to be pissed. He didn’t finish the books. Anything that happened in the TV series is his fault. Should’ve finished what he started.

[@whenthedustfallsaway]

@@dylankane9709 agreed

[@javierramirez65]

Dylan Kane that’s stupid. Do you know how big those 5 books are? There’s enough material there for them to have kept using but they instead chose to rush.

[@firstlast2632]

Dylan Kane you are just a dumbass it takes time to write books he can’t just rush a book out there it wouldn’t turn out good just like the show

[@Prodzick]

@@firstlast2632 Meanwhile the lazy Tolkien is knowned for a minuscule book and only 3 big books wrote in 12 years , and didn't even finish the prequel (Silmarillion).I can't believe this people read with their brain.

[@cakeandcookie2833]

I'm more disappointed than Cersie when she didn’t get any Elephants.

[@danurkresnamurti3598]

agreed

[@yusufkoroma7124]

...and still forced to take a thumb up the bum like some pirate's hooker.

[@AnonYmous-hu7jo]

Yeah! what was that disgraced version of The Golden Company??? Battle of Kings Landing wasn't even a battle...😭

[@cakeandcookie2833]

@@AnonYmous-hu7jo Lol the Golden Company had the durability of a Minecraft Golden Pickaxe 😂😂

[@ben_6332]

😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@themightykyuss]

It makes me happy to know that deep down I’m sure they both know how much their previous fans truly hate them and the garbage they sold us for season 8

[@royalkuhnt8216]

Dany's turn truly needed at least an entire ten-episode season of build-up. Even as it is, they could have made it much more believable if Euron had shot down her dragon (I can't recall the name and I'm too lazy to look it up) at King's Landing and she had watched the citizens of King's Landing finish her wounded dragon off on the ground while John (presumably having been riding the dragon) attempts escape with a plot-armor landing or, better yet, just fucking dies. It still would have been a jarring and sudden turn, but it would have felt much more organic. Then Arya could have killed Dany.

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

HOW TO HATE D&D/SEASON 8 EVEN MORE: 1.) Make the issue of Jon Snow's parentage -- central to the story for seven seasons -- meaningless. 2.) Make prophecies about Jon Snow being the "Prince Who Was Promised" or "Azor Ahai" meaningless. 3.) Make Jon Snow an unimportant background character who says "...but she's my queen" and "I don't want it." 4.) Make Dany go from valiant hero to mad queen over the course of one episode. 5.) Toss aside years of character building for no actual payoff (we're looking at Jaime, Sansa, Tyrion, Bran, etc.). 6.) Make Greyworm into, well, a whiny dimwit. 7.) Fundamentally change Bran's personality and character from Season 6 to Season 7 and then make him the King in Season 8. 8.) Make the "Long Night" last, well, a single night (or, at best, the amount of time that it takes to travel from the Wall to Winterfell). 9.) Turn the Golden Company into meaningless dragon fodder. 10.) Turn Euron Greyjoy into a stupid madman. 11.) Kill off a dragon by somehow not being able to see a ship or flying arrows. The next battle, have the dragon avoid thousands of flying arrows. 12.) Make Bronn the "Master of Coin."

[@alessandromariotti2252]

Make Bronn Lord of Highgarden ffs As if the nobility of the Reach would accept a former sellsword as their Lord Paramount, considering some of them struggled even with the Tyrells' leadership, seeing them as upjumped stewards

[@yousoundweird4771]

This is the best summary so far 13. All prophecies heard for nothing ?! 14. bring a wight to kingslanding for nothing (waste of screen Time) 15. make Tyrion - the smartest charakter- stupid for the last season ...

[@diavolo23231]

White walkers and the night king's signs that look like whirlpool - meaningless.

[@lievenvanloo6011]

@@yousoundweird4771 not just the last season... Also bringing the wight to king's landing was season 7, the season 6 finale was the last memorable episode they made.

[@megkrish7568]

I agree with everything except, well, Euron was already a stupid madman

[@lemonadelemon1960]

Bran stood by and let Bad things happen. Didn’t say a word. Mad Bran confirmed.

[@vandy3282]

He was especially mad then since he can't stand xD

[@derreklong3549]

If he was so all seeing why didn't he warn about Dany? Were the ravens down?

[@PatrickPierceBateman]

Battles can get really boring really quickly, that's why the Return of the King won 0 Academy Awards and was critically panned.

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

What

[@vanjazed7021]

@@ripvanwinkle7689 /s

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

@@vanjazed7021 what

[@vanjazed7021]

@@ripvanwinkle7689 ⸝ₛ

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

@@vanjazed7021 words please

[@salehkhatibeh8975]

Who also still can't get over it?

[@uniblonder5606]

I'm still sort of hoping Dumb and Dumber get torn limb from limb by an angry mob... lol I'm a little bitter about it... a wee little bit!

[@martinmartensson4715]

Still.

[@reillythomas3143]

putting a lord of the rings clip in here was almost cruel

[@BravoRox]

But a needed evil

[@thepaperninja3123]

Necessary evil

[@HorFell]

Some problems you need to go right for the jugular and not beat around the bush...

[@FabledGentleman]

Or you could put any battle from braveheart for that matter. None of them boring, all of them really long.

[@choronos]

Good movie but I wish they wouldn't have had Aragorn yelling "FIRE!" instead of "LOOSE" when commanding the archers.

[@suganthram7767]

You wanna hate D&D more.... Emilia Clarke was lied to about Daenerys burning the city...she was thinking that Dany will burn only the red keep triggering the wildfires inside ( that was the part of the original script which was altered at the last moment)...Emilia didn't know until the première where she watched it with 40 fans who donated for her charity and got herself embarrassed

[@Iamzani]

another dragon demands viewer?

[@suganthram7767]

@@Iamzani yeah I am....so you are aware of that too??

[@Iamzani]

@@suganthram7767 yes sir it will be mentioned in my upcoming series, ive been a lil bit in contact with dragon too

[@suganthram7767]

@@Iamzani I am so looking forward to it as a fan of both the show and Emilia Clarke....dragon demands and anomaly inc have been voicing out against the injustice done to her...every fan of GOT,Daenerys and Emilia needs to know this...

[@Iamzani]

​@@suganthram7767 yes it pains to me see people still praising D&D for their work without also acknowledging the damage they have done

[@NoodleVerse]

Can we go and harass D&D and never let them forget what they did? only those two tho since everything else with production and the actors and all that was amazing

[@uniblonder5606]

Netflix hired them and paid them 200 million... let that sink in a second.

[@bensdreamatorium8315]

@Uniblonder You want to know something really depressing? These two men have wives and children. WIVES AND *CHILDREN!* Those children will grow up knowing their fathers singlehandedly ruined one of the greatest franchises in TV history, and I can’t even begin to imagine how much David and Dan’s wives think their husbands are talentless deadbeats.

[@adamrichardson3103]

@@bensdreamatorium8315 as much as j hate what they did, they walked out with $200 million plus whatever they got from game of thrones, talentless maybe, deadbeats? Definitely not

[@mapleman0035]

Don't be to harsh on them they did an incredible job, the last seasons have so many subtle hints and messages and people really don't appreciate them. These include: -We don't care about the series but only about how much we make so we'll end it early with minimal effort in order to be able to spend time on maximizing profit -We have no idea about the personalities of the characters we are writing the scripts for -We don't know what we are doing but we don't care ...

[@u.v.s.5583]

That was sublime.

[@IBoughtTerrariaFor67p]

Dany forgot about the iron fleet and the dothraki forgot they were dead

[@22steve5150]

Jon forgot that horses exist when he went north of the wall to search for a wight, Dany forgot that she's NOT her father, Jamie (and apparently even Cercei) forgot that Cercei paid Bronn to kill him and Tyrion, Dany and Greyworm forgot every shred of kindness and decency that Missandei inspired in them, Tyrion forgot how to be smart, clever, or even mildly competent, Arya forgot all of her faceless man skills, Bronn forgot to even be around when anything important happens, Bran forgot that he is too withdrawn from the world to rule Winterfell, let alone the 7(6) Kingdoms, The North forgot that their king was imprisoned in Kings Landing by a foreign invading army with no king or queen to lead it, Sansa forgot that whether Jon or Bran sits on the throne there is no way in hell the North should be seperate from the other 6 kingdoms as you either have the crowned king of the north OR the oldest male Stark on the throne which means both have a better claim to the North than Sansa ever did or ever will, the Night King forgot that he is supposed to be the big bad for the whole show and not just a minor enemy dispatched early in the season, The Golden Horde forgot to be worth a shit (forgot their Elephants too), Jon forgot to pet Ghost, Jon, Dany, Tyrion, and Cercei all forgot that you put your army BEHIND your walls, not in front of them, Varys forgot he's supposed to be the best spymaster in the world, Scorpion ballistas forgot to not be utterly ridiculous plot devices in s8e4 and then forgot how to work at all in s8e5, .........It just never ends.

[@joehawkiins8712]

The two lines that really make me barf like a chicken: "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet..." and "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?" those quotes will go down in INFAMY

[@ShamblesMD]

This show forgot Euron Greyjoy in general...

[@DrZuluGaming]

Jaime kinda forgots about his character development. Tormund kinda forgot about his character traits. D&D kinda forgot about good writing.

[@IBoughtTerrariaFor67p]

@@DrZuluGaming haha awesome

[@danielpradhanasaputra7956]

George R R Martin : Missandei D&D : Miss Sunday

[@DM-it1qf]

“Miss Sunday” I’m dead 😂

[@urgentfury3471]

More like meeesinday

[@Jayloke]

Missing Day* lmao

[@RenegadeSamurai]

Me Sundae

[@SG-ix7sl]

Ice Cream Sunday 😆

[@ImmortalGaming26]

I'm surprised that Melisandre didn't go to the Night King and say he was the Prince that was Promised

[@johnreed9932]

I really think that they misunderstood the Melisandre prophecy for Arya. I'm pretty sure it's talking about how she will become a faceless man (her eyes changing colour) because that's what her arc is about? The shutting them forever I think is about her either dying or giving up being aa faceless man after she realises revenge isn't what she wants her life to be. But hey they know better than us! :)

[@alexparadise91]

Arya had nothing to do with the night king. It’s like if Tormund killed Cersei. We know tormund can fight like Arya. Yeah it would be unexpected but it wouldn’t make sense narratively.

[@nonotreallyok]

This.

[@nickdentoom1173]

True. Only one besides Jon would could have realistically killed the NK was Davos (Reborn Amidst Salt and Smoke and Woke a Dragon out of Stone with Advicing Stannis to go North).

[@lollypop2414]

Arya got to avenge many deaths over the course of the series. She took down Littlefinger (along with Sansa), the entire Frey house, Meryn Trant, the Waif, Polliver, and probably some one else I'm forgetting. Jon was completely set up as the one to take on the Night King. It should've been his kill. I would've been okay with Arya helping him do it, but he should've been the one with the final blow.

[@livinglife3483]

D&D love Maisie and Arya as a stand alone person and character , they did it for her to have an epic scene. I swear that’s what drove them, not to make sense for the overall storyline or plot. Same with hooking her up with Gendry. I mean I loved it but it was rushed and unsatisfying.

[@IonTorch52]

@@livinglife3483 Not to mention Arya and Gendry's relationship was suddenly cut short, and no closure given in the Finale.

[@mrpopo9444]

Bran: i can not be lord of anything Tyrion: what about king? 😏 Bran: say no more.

[@mcsroom8930]

he is not a lord its different

[@Houdini707]

Bran: shit negro, thats all u had to say

[@MMadesen]

@@mcsroom8930 Bran the Broken, First of his name, LORD of the Six Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm He is a lord

[@mcsroom8930]

@@MMadesen fu

[@MMadesen]

@@mcsroom8930 and you my friend

[@Da_W1ck]

Bran been crossing his fingers everytime he said he don't want and can never be lord of anything.

[@honeybadger1810]

I walk in to class. My teacher has reminded me for the past 4 weeks that the final is coming up and will make or break my grade. The most important thing all year. It seems that I kinda forgot.

[@sawekjasel7877]

Season 8 doesn't exist. It is so shity that D&D should be ashamed for what they did to this show. To think that we waited 2 years for it. Baffling. For me GoT ended in season 6.

[@DaveE7492]

I like to think to myself that after he destroyed the Wall that the Night King just marched south and killed everyone. And then he sat on the throne himself. The end.

[@wxedsanddokx]

TWO YEARS!! FOR WHAT!?

[@megamovieman101]

For me it ended in Season 4 😂 Season 6 was good, but we had to get through Season 5 to reach it

[@Mr0Anonymous0]

So glad they decided to stop after season 4.

[@guykruger1]

You suggest they go Alan Smithee with it

[@ainrsttt]

Just the phrase "she just... kinda forgot". WHAT DO YOU MEAN "KINDA"

[@saeedvazirian]

@Jack To be fair Daenerys was always stupid...

[@48917032]

@@saeedvazirian Stupid, yes. Dumber than Hodor? No.

[@ainrsttt]

@dodo2208 She's didn't randomly decided to go out flying, she was going home. Plus she wasn't alone; Like all her counselors suddenly forgot about the fleet ? Bullshit.

[@TheHidalgo99]

well she still knew they existed but not at this particular place she was flying over with her air unit because she was careless and happy and enthusi ..xhashhahfhfhfhfh sorry I just can't hhahaha

[@mylord4679]

me: *casting my patronus, which is just beniof's disembodied, ethereal blue head floating around the room saying "dany kinda forgot" over and over* Dumbledore: after all this time? Me: always

[@Leondegrance2]

That sounds like an unforgivable curse, not a patronus.

[@u.v.s.5583]

Dumbledore: Severus, please! Severus: Avada kedavra!

[@AdeebHamad]

It's just soooo crazy to me how out of touch these two were with their own show.

[@runeerling]

Euron Geyjoy: "Let's build the largest fleet the world has ever seen!" Iron Islands: "Do you see many trees here, man?"

[@obiwankenobi661]

yea i always wondered about that.. so dumb

[@ipraytovodka]

in the books euron captures a lot of coastal land and rival ships and recruits pirates to join him. he also has connections he established overseas during his voyage. its not really THAT big of a stretch tbh. and they iron isalnds people arent just fishermen...

[@obiwankenobi661]

@@ipraytovodka the books are close to irrelevant for the series because if i dont know the books and im just going off of whats being shown to me none of that is conveyed.. not through storytelling and certainly through the visualization of that story.. to me its just a rather small rocky island and euron told his 20-30 men in attendance to "cut down every tree they can find"... good writing doesnt leave that off to the viewer to piece together via speculation....

[@ipraytovodka]

@@obiwankenobi661 oh im not excusing this shitty directing...just pointing out they left out a chunk that explains exactly that

[@obiwankenobi661]

@@ipraytovodka yeah apparently getting a deal from disney was more important to these asswipes

[@Gabriell1126]

I don't get why Jon didn't have a kick ass fight with the Night King. Even if he lost and Arya still killed the Night King, Jon should've fought him.

[@bredincaptivity4692]

He was way too busy with the very important business of screaming at a dragon to be involved in the defeat of the Night King in any meaningful way. Besides, you obviously don't need him there to help out when Arya can sneak past a closed ring of White Walkers and launch herself as if she's been fired from a gigantic sling shot. What a goddamn travesty this show turned out to be.

[@Prince__Teclis]

If Arya HAD to kill him. Have Jon fight the NK, in a well structured fight scene slowly driving him away from Bran. We just about hear Bran mutter "he's better than you." Jon is knocked down and Arya leaps in with a Tower of Joy callback to finish the fight.

[@magnusthered4973]

Nah it should of been podrick picking up long claw and kicking the kings ass

[@toungeenaamoo]

I wanted Arya and Jon teaming against the Night King

[@Oshidorinohina]

@@toungeenaamoo yeah, same. it should've went that way. with both delivering killing blows to the NK. or JS ultimately doing the deed.

[@calebdarsky5040]

I'm so glad that they're not working on Star Wars anymore.

[@Ginric99]

I don’t care how powerful the crossbow is, from that range with wind to factor in pulling off that shot without a proper sight and knowing how fast the dragon is flying and how high it is is impossible

[@Md_ra]

Plus the fact that he didn't hit one but THREE shots at the high speeding dragon in a matter of a seconds while managing to hide behind a magical rock then proceed to miss the other dragon even tho he's lower and more clearer minutes after

[@Ginric99]

@@Md_ra and then a period of time later he was unable to hit a single dragon flying straight at him lol.

[@jovedo27]

Season 8. The only season i haven't watched more than once....

[@azzyPOONIP]

@Ricardo Diaz agree. S7 you could predict the demise

[@mattanator5]

Wow so true lol

[@InvaderG]

S7 is worse. writing as bad, much less blockbuster action.

[@Zyscheriah]

I did not watch it period. After season 7.

[@opinionation571]

same... whenever I rewatch I stop at 6 or 7

[@angie-zu5rs]

D&D forgot that Danaerys should probably have emotions, finding out that Viserion was now a wight...

[@EmmaLPeel]

They didn’t even discuss it after that. And Bran saying “We don’t have time for this”. Bitch you are the one not doing anything.

[@soy.sauce.latte.]

I hated that. Imagine having to kill a reanimated corpse of your own child,to se your baby die once again. It was just bullshit how she didn't feel anything. Rhaegal too,he was shot out of the sky and fell into the sea. She was upset for like five minutes.

[@fabiokoni4467]

6:50 Dany didn't react to surprised, but i think thats normal, considered that she understood that her brother didn't care about her at all, this was part of her character development, and showed how drogo didn't give a shit about who he was, he only care about his khaleesi

[@TwiztidHammer]

We just need Martin to get off his ass and finish the books. Then have someone pick up the series after season 5ish and give it the "Full metal alchemist brotherhood" treatment lol

[@seanv4735]

It’s Jon’s arc that irritates me the most. Heartbreakingly bad.

[@krunkler1185]

Sean V Honeslty Jamie’s makes me the most annoyed. Only because we watched as Jaime became an increasingly selfless man just to see him do a full 180

[@thorna100]

Let's face it. Not a single arc works 😂😂 how is that even possible!!

[@r2d2fromstartrek16]

thorna100 Theon’s did

[@angrytom1923]

@@r2d2fromstartrek16 Barely. They still screwed up his death with a dumb banzai charge.

[@thorna100]

@@r2d2fromstartrek16 yea I'm not convinced. At least at best it was a generic arc.

[@catsthemovie4692]

The story was a serious turd. But the visuals damn. Great visual artists. And the music score was epic. HBO D&D wasted many people's efforts.

[@alessandravanderpeduth]

This is the saddest part.

[@jannes7926]

Naa the Visuals could be better. I mean look at lotr. It's like 20 years old and the visuals are still better. Thats a bit sad. And the music in Lord of the Rings is better. My opinion

[@raymonddavis1370]

Actually HBO tried toget D&D to go for at least 10 seasons but Dumass & Dipshit were too busy running out the door for those big Star Wars bucks. The fact that even in the abortion that was seasons 7&8 the actors ,cinematagrophers, CGI specialists and wardrobe and crafts were at such a high caliber prove that the destruction of what should have been telivisions greateset series was the work of two A-holes. When the next Star Wars comes out written by these two let's show them the North isn't the only ones that remember!

[@grumpdogg213]

They shit on the huge efforts of all the cast and crew

[@shambolicrhetoric6143]

When you could actually see ... the visuals were great. How did they fk up the night scenes so much though. I couldn't see jack sht.

[@El_yea]

Bran basically sending Hodor to death by the army of the dead -- Mad Bran confirmed

[@laviniasnow4494]

Wait, didn't Bran f up and make the mad king mad? Why was he rewarded with the throne when he started a lot of the s**t happening?!

[@MrHURRICANESANDY]

We had eight years of character growth and development and they decided the best ending would be to have the characters revert back to their old selves or go from good to evil overnight. It was like sike, just kidding… Danny isn’t different from her father bran isn’t the three eyed raven Jaime isn’t an a good person and wants to be with Cersei after all and Let’s have Arya kill the night king even though John’s been hunting him down since season one. We could go on and on.

[@smashwindows8722]

You forgot the part where jamie and cersei could have took three steps to the left and survived

[@karenm9170]

Every little thing wrong with this season makes me so angry. Nothing will ever touch Breaking Bad. Nice try Dan and Dave, comparing their shit show to BB, A or A+. WAFJ

[@alexpapadopoulosl3042]

@@karenm9170 Up until season 5-6, GoT was neck on neck with BB, i'd argue it actually trumped it at some point. BB did one thing better in my opinion: It actually delivered an ending worthy of rememberance. Also, i'll give extra points to Gilligan for coming up with the BB story instead of adapting a series of books and turning them into a show. However, BB plot moved at an extremely slow pace and apart from the dialogue/interactions between the characters, nothing breathtaking happened. Is there really any BB moment that can compare to the Blackwater Bay battle when it comes to visuals, atmosphere, backstory etc? I'd say no but feel free to prove me wrong, i'll be more than happy.

[@ndro_gyny]

They were doomed. That was kind of the point.

[@VelocityReviews]

Vikings was always better IMO But that’s because Vikings is my favorite show period

[@Kasiarzynka]

@@VelocityReviews Vikings went to shit somewhere around season 4, more or less when Ragnar started getting addicted on some Chinese drug. It only went downhills from there imo, including everyone starting to *TaLk-LiKE-rAg-NaR-bE-CaUsE-WeRe-EdgY-vi-KiNgS.* I loved the show, it was my favorite, I rewatched early seasons many times. But they broke my heart.

[@kantaponchinburi9092]

Bran spends his entire puberty going to beyond the wall and back when Jon and his A team killers did it in one episode 🧐

[@Johan-ct3xg]

Yeah but Bran was crippled while the other guys returned on a dragon/horse

[@pokeman5000]

@Dillon notmylastname The worst part of that scene is they could have made it actually make sense by just using Bran. Bran follows Jon's crew Warging a raven, he sees that shit is quickly heading sideways. He then goes to the Weirwood in Winterfell and sits where Ned sat. He then Wargs Rhaegal in order to save Jon. Dany sees Rhaegal going awol or making some pre existing crys for help while flying away. (maybe akin to the noises Drogon was making when Dany handed him over to the slavers in Astapor) Dany then sees the army of the dead, saves Jon's crew, and the wight gets taken. But nope what we get is a bunch of scenes that completely ruins any suspensions of disbelief. It's so clear that they only did a rough draft of the later seasons and spent the rest of their time just fucking around, letting other talented members of the crew to salvage the wreckage.

[@magotchapanov9111]

@@Johan-ct3xg Yeah well the freaking Gendry ran back to the wall in like few hours

[@mattruiz662]

He stayed there cuz he was becoming the 3 eyed raven. Can't be done in one episode

[@BreadPitt7]

The A team!

[@xXxLegolas007xXx]

They tried so hard to suprise us with twist after twist each episode so that they lost sight over what should have been based on seasons and seasons of build up, foreshadowing and character growth. Martin explains it very well at the end of the video. ... such a shame

[@ridiculousrabbit]

That scene from LOTR literally gave me goosebumps despite being only seconds long.

[@sly5193]

"Battles can get boring really quickly" ???? Where did you learn that writing class ???

[@jacobmccabe458]

they clearly did not have a lot of confidence in their battle, they must have thought that we would say something like "this has been done before but better"

[@ShamblesMD]

"Yes, because it gets boring writing clang, cling, clang for a hundred pages." Said no author ever until these dumbshits.

[@frieza65]

Well, not everyone is into action to begin with. It's obvious there are people who were likely bored during Helm's Deep and any other battle sequence. The draw of GOT was never battles, after all. That said, they're not wrong about that... in a general sense. Yes, really long battles absolutely can get boring... if you as a writer fail to give them the stakes they need to hold our attention throughout the entire battle. It's just common sense.

[@ShamblesMD]

@@frieza65 I thought Helms Deep was more suspenseful than anything. Just like the final battle in Saving Private Ryan, with the overwhelming sense of dread. The action just added to the experience, which is the main reason for creating a final battle. At least that's what I always thought.

[@Alegost1]

yes battles get very boring (said in sarcasm)....... that´s why i don´t repeatedly watch battles like: helms deep, minas tirith, yavin 4, endor, naboo, mustafar, hell even the battle where dany´s army fights the lannisters for the first time

[@spartan5713]

D&D’s “Dany forgot about the iron fleet” is this generation’s “Jar Jar is the key to all of this.”

[@Mini-Toast_]

Matthew Doyle Jar Jar had thought put into it.

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

At least the jar jar craziness made a little sense 😂😂

[@OfAngelsAndAnarchist]

There isn’t a generational gap between those two things Nice try but... doesn’t work

[@afifmajid8754]

No Dany didn't forget about the iron fleet. Dany KINDA forgot about the iron fleet

[@wsol80]

Now that Disney hired these two for Star Wars I bet Jar Jar becomes the key.

[@Iceican]

directors these days seem to want to subvert every narrative because they think it's cliche but they don't realize subversion is now cliche.

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

It’s also bad writing, doesn’t matter if it’s cliche if the ending accurately portrayals that events that were unfolding. No one would care that it’s a cliche plot line. Because it makes sense as a story structure. There’s has been tons of cliche told stories and still people have liked it, why? Because it makes sense and was executed well. Any writer who subverts for the sake of subversion is a bad writer in my eyes. Especially if they stick to their original plans without changing it for the sake of how the story is progressing.

[@shuyuantang5331]

3:51 Another thing, it was set up in a way that the fleet was blocked by some low mountains... they used it as the "reason" why the dragon and Danny did not see them... But they are high in the sky... they can see

[@annabelstien2851]

Your "gone mad" montage is on point. And Dany's reaction to her brother's death was clearly one of shock and numbness. She wasn't sadistically gleeful or coldly psychopathic. She even named a dragon after him. D & D are the worst.

[@stonewall01]

I don't even think it was shock and numbness. I think she understood that she had tried to help Viserys with the Dothraki, he rejected her advice and the advice of Jorah, he had abused and threatened her for her whole life, and she finally understood that all of those offenses he commited against the Khalesar could be forgiven to a degree since he wasn't one of the Dothraki. However, once he walked into that building, armed, and threatened the Khaleesi and her son, he crossed the line and she was resigned to the fact that that offense was unforgivable and would cost him his life. It wasn't shock or numbness, it was just one of acceptance.

[@narlabegins]

Actually, if you read the books, it was exactly that kind of reaction. The problem isn't Daenerys becoming mad, but HOW they've told us that.

[@annabelstien2851]

@@narlabegins I have read the books and she was niether gleeful or cold about her brother's death.

[@narlabegins]

@@annabelstien2851 She even calls him "the man who used to be his brother" in her mind, before his death.

[@narlabegins]

@@blaubeer8039 Exactly this. The "what" isn't ths problem, but the "how" is flawed as hell.

[@Razgriz_01]

Note to self, never watch, read, or get involved in anything that has "D&D" on it.

[@krystofegner4406]

What about dungeon and dragons

[@looneyburgmusic]

Or "GRRM", since we all don't live forever, and that's how long it will take Mr. Lazy to finish the damn story

[@yashikazmi]

@@looneyburgmusic do you think it's easy to write a masterpiece like this? There are too many loose ends

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@yashikazmi "Masterpiece"? Think that's going just a bit too far... It's a fantasy series, one that most likely will never be finished, and not even an original one at that.

[@yashikazmi]

@@looneyburgmusic I think I exaggerated things a bit but still there are too many loose ends to tie in one book that's the problem with this gardening way it's hard to end things

[@Marian-zw2ff]

They still are appearing as the top result when you googled 'bad writers'! 😂😂😂

[@laviniasnow4494]

Good. 😏

[@Fluer-de-Lis]

They simply got bored and cocky. They saw the bright lights of Star Wars and wanted the show to be over but didn’t want to pass on the responsibility of writing to anyone else because they still wanted glory of game of thrones. But they have effectively ruined their legacy

[@justinbates8902]

I’m sure someone else has already said this, but Bran was the bad guy all along. He manipulated events the entire time with his powers so he could become king. Bran is immortal since he can warg into other people. It’s also established he can affect the past because of Hodor. And at the end Bran goes searching for Drogon so he can have a weapon of mass destruction. Bran was literally the Palpatine of GoT.

[@voldlifilm]

That's my take on it as well.

[@queensandkings9586]

No? No? No? When in the show was is shown that Bran wanted to be king? Or that he did all he did for that reason?

[@justinbates8902]

lauretta mensah bran “why do you think I came all this way?”

[@Lieutenant_Scrotes]

If that were the case it would have made the whole conclusion a lot more satisfying, but it's obvious that isn't what the writers intended.

[@wdym1bro]

He was supposed to be an archivist...

[@NotAHaloReference]

Plot twist: it’s all a conspiracy and GRR Martin asked them to do this so that people would flock to his books in the future to see the true ending.

[@pugtortuga3406]

Smoking poles is your destiny

[@thekub32]

Dumbass. George has no say in the show. It was D&D who wrote this bullshit.

[@carolinekosova]

Imagine that 😳😅

[@vilukisu]

Didn't Martin actually tell them the ending several years in advance, so that if he wasn't able to finish the books, the show would still end? I'm starting to think they either scrapped Martins original ending or Martin trolled them by giving them an entirely different one.

[@NotAHaloReference]

@@thekub32 r/woooosh for you sir.

[@jordanshumaker4412]

The cuts of the Helms Deep fight I feel aren't far only because we got scenes with the Ents and Isengard during the battle, and scenes of levity within the battle itself. You know, a much more well thought out and plotted battle scene that takes place at night in the rain using orcs that wear black armor. Not undead that could wear all kinds of different colors clothing with blue eyes and fires raging all around. ;)

[@MagisterVeritas]

Bran did not help at all during the 'Great War', but instead came all this way to be king because he had the best story? The story of having his ass dragged everywhere to not help in the most important battle? That story? And Jon was not king because Grey Worm did not want him to be. And then Grey Worm left for Nath, a place where the last time outsiders came they died horrible deaths from diseases. What a pile of horse crap