Could vaporwave be the future of music?

[@ArtzieMusic]

Vaporwave isn't the future. Vaporwave is now.

[@vapinglife8647]

+Artzie Music true dat

[@eartianwerewolf]

I like some of it some of it is way too slow and chill for me though. I love more fast speed .

[@akaMyThought]

truth

[@fxvxrx5921]

T H E F U T U R E I S N O W

[@JackPorter]

+eartianwerewolf i'm the exact opposite, if i wanted fast pace music, i'd listen to originals. though i have yet to listen to all of them, so do you have any specific albums you'ld suggest?

[@lugnet6540]

Vaporwave, is as if Japan and the US merged in the 80s and 90s in a parallell universe + everyones in on LSD

[@toaster8907]

Ivan Holden and the fiji water

[@jorcyd]

Lugn Et According to the Wikipedia entry on Vaporwave : "... a parody of American hypercontextualization of e-Asia circa 1995..."

[@sternunicorn5923]

Yep

[@851852093114208513]

The jokes is on them because I enjoy it unironically

[@keatonyung938]

Mfw

[@TheZakkattackk]

I still listen to it at work all day. Can't get enough of it.

[@rayk9598]

I got hit by it in a day and now am mostly vaporwave themed, my desktop, my twitter, my steam, might buy tons of vaporwave merch like a tank top or pillow or some shit

[@City-Hunter]

here's my small contribution: vimeo.com/160829669

[@JonTheGameNrd]

/music plays

[@NostalgiCrazy]

I really don't care about the "meaning" of Vaporwave, it just sounds awesome, chill, it relaxes me and puts me in a weird zone (a good weird of course), so that's all that matters :) I'm a big '80s music fan so anything that sounds like it usually gets my vote anyway lol. And are you serious, I did not know YTPMV was actually a thing! I always thought some YTPs sounded pretty cool if edited in a musical tone, didn't think it would actually lead to a genre hahaha. But this is what I love about KZbin and tumblr and just the internet in general, it keeps leading me to new things that I end up loving :D So thanks for playing a part lol.

[@sternunicorn5923]

Cheers!

[@soarrefly]

I don't want a genre this catchy to die.

[@brock32]

oh god, seapunk died. vaporwave lives on

[@yeetman4953]

Mista. Filer wat

[@cc8501]

Spoke to early lol

[@fgr7002]

Seapunk is a subgenre to vaporwave

[@matchmakerchris7617]

+Flash Game Remaker Actually, if you look at the search trends on google, seapunk predates vaporwave and is rather what sparked the whole interest in early internet culture, software and 3D art, rather than being a byproduct of it.

[@fgr7002]

Match Maker Chris that's true seapunk used to be more well known back at the day before vaporware....so seapunk isn't a subgenre but a genre itself?

[@DJzap152]

For anyone interested in checking out more Vaporwave, i'd suggest starting with the Future Funk variety since it's more accessible, artists like Saint Pepsi, Lancaster__, YUNG BAE, Macross 82-99, HARRISON... After that, it's easier to get into the more experimental classic Vaporwave like Chuck Person, James Ferraro, Internet Club, Mediafired, Oneohtrix Point Never, or one of the many Vektroid aliases. Hypnagogic Pop is also a nice middle ground between Classic Vaporwave and Future Funk.

[@thisexists]

DJzap152 Great suggestions.

[@robto]

Thanks for put it out that information.

[@Meervo]

I think Saint Pepsi is the perfect artist to get into, because he makes both Future Funk and classic Vaporwave.

[@MurdocMiKi]

Earl Sweatshirt and Tame Impala are an example of how vaporwave is influencing mainstream music. And that's awesome.

[@MurdocMiKi]

***** Have you even heard Earl Sweatshirt and Tame Impala m8?

[@freaquin]

Have you ever listened to Neon Indian? idk, you're here, so prossibly.

[@freaquin]

***** I hear Tame Impala, I think of Neon Indian. What does it matter?

[@freaquin]

***** I know the discussion was about tame impala n that but???? I thought i'd add something else. I'm sorry i said one thing on the internet dude like???? what are you getting out of this

[@MurdocMiKi]

+Mr filthy Earl Sweatshirt - Grief Tame Impala - Cause I'm a man or Let it happen These two examples have a vaporwave vibe, don't you think?

[@Fragolux]

You say that Vaporwave is either stupid or Marxist, but who's to say that at least some of the artists aren't simply trying to create something different and unique as legitimate music? In my opinion there is a lot of vaporwave that is very beautiful to listen. I think the advent of this genre is one of the things that makes the 2010s a generally better decade than the 2000s.

[@NostalgiCrazy]

100%!

[@ano_nym]

Tristan Lotz What's your favorite album/artist? My favorite so far is probably bl00dwave - New Visuals

[@Fragolux]

ａｎｏ ｎｙｍ "Starcalc" by Vektroid, "SPECIAL EDITION" by Cat System Corp., "Late Night Delight" by SAINT PEPSI / Luxury Elite ("Enjoy Yourself" is my favorite vaporwave song), and I love James Ferraro's works. I'll have to check out bl00dwave.

[@ano_nym]

Tristan Lotz Do so, I will check out those you posted too

[@Woolookologie]

+Tristan Lotz I really enjoy vaporwave from it's music side too. Especially the Ambient side, 2047, ２８１４ and t e l e p a t h テレパシー能力者 make just awesome music that isn't ironically, stupid or doesn't even have anti-capitalism undertone in it

[@ryan.1990]

It's meant to be the future of the past

[@ryan.1990]

anti capitalist doesn't make something Marxist, you pleb. Fuck off with your bias.

[@morphman86]

+Ryan O'Morain No, but the kind of anti capitalist he talked about does fit the description of marxism.

[@brookie1141]

80s future

[@xXxequisxXx]

Ｉｔ＇ｓ ｔｈｅ ｆｕｔｕｒｅ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ ｐａｓｔ ｔｈａｔ ｎｅｖｅｒ ｗａｓ . . .

[@Acuraly]

so now?

[@TheRealGaucelm]

I see vaporwave as a tribute to everything nostalgically "cool" and "classy" from the 80s and 90s.

[@danielkoepf1977]

There is no "future of music". It all splits into more and more sub genres, providing something for everyone. Even the term mainstream music becomes more and more senseless. It just describes what many people like to listen to, but sure can not represent the music of a certain time period.

[@LeavingCaladan]

+Daniel Koepf i agree with you but i don't think the two are mutually exclusive. the splits and branches occur because of the influence that permeates. at the end of the day, nobody can say that something they created is entirely their own. In this way, we can look back and hindsight will be 20/20. one random example i don't know why I'm thinking of is the red hot chili peppers. they took weird funk (george clinton) and combined it with the speed of punk. its all pretty sensible when you look at it on a micro scale. and I'm sure there's musical reasons why george clinton was/is so fucking weird

[@zeppie_]

if you had a guy from the 80's listen to 'gangnam style', he wouldnt like it. taste in music evolves.

[@Grawlixify]

Very negative view... :(

[@SpencerThayer]

One year later Vaporwave is still killing it. Not dead yet.

[@clairedrew7335]

How about a video on speedcore and other ridiculously fast genres?

[@clairedrew7335]

Me too!

[@PeterLawrenceYT]

***** I thought the speedcore/terror scene pretty much died out.

[@prettybarf]

Speedcore aka second best genre

[@TheInteriktigt100]

DTDsphere No not at all. Just too name a few active artists. Annoying Ringtone, Kurwastyle Project, Loffciamcore and Dj Kurara. As far as Terrorcore goes Noisekick, Drokz and SRB released a 46 track album this year

[@kingemocut]

if you're gonna talk speedcore, you need to talk about blackmidi

[@djOverlySympathetic]

This was basically the video that sold me on vaporwave back in 2014… goddamn. Thanks Sam for being the gateway into an art form I’m happy to be a part of. Vaporwave is dead, long live vaporwave ✌️

[@gogoatmilk]

Dudeeee same here, this video is a personal Mecca because it shaped my music taste. It's been 6+ years and I still listen regularly to vaporwave

[@Aeimos]

I can tell you're real passionate about this channel and it shows. It makes watching your new episodes every week addicting. I look forward to see what else exists next week!

[@thisexists]

***** Thanks!

[@Aeimos]

This Exists Thank you :)

[@Triple_sSs]

Well I didn't expect to see my Big Beat Mario YTPMV in a video like this. I guess I can somewhat see the comparisons of vaporwave to YTP, though honestly I was just trying to make a cool song out of the Hotel Mario cutscenes, not much more to it than that I say. I also admit I'm not really that big on vaporwave, I think I get the appeal but it doesn't do that much for me. Personally I'm much more into "synthwave", another recent electronic genre that affectionately replicates the sound of 80's synthpop and soundtrack music. IMO it's almost like the opposite of vaporwave in some aspects; where that stuff might be a criticism of the 80's and such, synthwave seems more like an embrace.

[@SonicHaXD]

Hey I know this is off topic but I wanted to ask if you would like to join a YTP COLLAB on my channel. It's to celebrate the release of SSB4 so the COLLAB is about Nintendo. I looked at your channel and I really like yo stuff. You did such a great job with the Hotel Mario YTPMV. So ya, hope you can come to my channel to check it out XD

[@thisexists]

Triple_sSs HEY! Your videos are amazing. I'm glad you don't totally disagree with the point I was trying to make using your work. Also interesting re: mocking / embracing. One is the positive route, the other more cynical.

[@IMstillraw2]

The father of Big Beats! I love that style of ytpmv.

[@Triple_sSs]

Just wanted to follow up on this comment with an update: While I still don't care for Vaporwave, I recently discovered the Future Funk subgenre (which is basically Vaporwave meets French House/Nu-Disco), and I think it's actually pretty good! Regular Vaporwave usually just sounds boring and/or weird to me, but I've always been a big fan of French House, so the comparatively upbeat sound of Future Funk is much more up my alley.

[@morgueheart]

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[@avaellebreton5901]

I love this video, and you've introduced me to a lot of awesome stuff (I have all my friends watching too). I see there's "This Exists" and "This Existed", but what about "This Should NOT Exist".... weird jobs no one wants, interesting food delicacies from around the world, giant bugs....

[@Xarlable]

Sad that whenever YTPMV gets mentioned it's always the older more popular videos that are shown instead of the newer ones that have a different feel to it, and it's more sad that this wasn't mentioned ☁♒ I mean come on, it's a vaporwave YTPMV.

[@IMstillraw2]

Any video of yours would've been nice too

[@NostalgiCrazy]

MrXarlable LOL! That made my day thank you :D

[@UltraRemixerJR]

how it can be marked as spam

[@NostalgiCrazy]

CMC (Chip-Mod-Comparison) What is?

[@UltraRemixerJR]

***** I CAN SEE THAT MRXARLABLE'S COMMENT WAS A SPAM WHCIH WAS SAID BY GOOGLE WTF

[@jsc315]

KZbin poops is a hole that just never ends and lead to even more unusual unrelated videos. A great way to waste hours of time.

[@PebelWasTaken]

i watched this. i still don't know what it is

[@puddinado5040]

I like vaporwave, its chill but like I don't like the way that people go too deep into it

[@dtg610420]

Tommy Ryan X A N A X

[@mari98_]

Love to watch these videos in retrospect and see how influential it really is today

[@JKPancake]

My friend is a huge metal head and tells me many wierd types of metal like erotic metal, could you do a episode of other wierd types of metal

[@darktrexcz]

If you do it. Include Author & Punisher. Definitely one lf a kind.

[@Subberist]

Could you also do the video with a co-host from the guy who reads metal lyrics as poetry?

[@thisexists]

JKPancake I really want to do a pornogrind episode but I have no idea how to tackle it without, you know, showing pornography.

[@AlbinoAxolotl1993]

This Exists Blur the whole screen?

[@PCGameReviewsNorway]

This Exists censors, pixelating, and so on.

[@MokokerMovies]

I feel like making a vaporwave youtube poop video now lol

[@MokokerMovies]

Subbed already :P

[@ThePhilosorpheus]

Its more anti-consumerism, not necessarily anti-capitalism, and certainly not pro-something-other-than-capitalism. Anyway, I really love Vaporwave, and not ironically. Nothing comes close to its ~ a e s t h e t i c s ~

[@PatDaliki]

Black Banshee's Infinite Login is absolutely amazing

[@stitchfinger7678]

+Wayno Ryan If you like BB, check out what he produced for Gorgeous Geordie's Blue Waffle EP

[@tobykassulke2385]

I miss this channel/series. Its where i first found out about vaporwave and death grips both of my now favorite music things.

[@roses2944]

same here exactly !!!

[@destinybboswell]

I find Vaporwave oddly haunting.

[@ohnosarmy]

Destiny Boswell I dont generally like vaporwave but I dont stop it if I come across it because it makes me feel this slightly uneasy, eerie feeling I havent felt since I was a kittle lid

[@SeanStrife]

That's the true power of nostalgia there, man; where it touches you on a subconscious level.

[@TheOriginalFireX]

Thank you, This Exists. I really enjoy the fact that you talk about comments in the previous video. More channels should do that.

[@thisexists]

TheOriginalFire Stolen from the greats. I'm just happy we get so many interesting comments!

[@tauheximus]

You like ａｅｓｔｈｅｔｉｃs, don't you, Squidward?

[@solunasunrise]

vaporwave , Anti-capitalistic ??? are you kidding me ? xD

[@manictiger]

+solunasunrise In my hipster over-analysis of shit that doesn't need to be over-analyzed, I must point out your folly. In the tachyonic dispersal of dollar serial numbers, the dolphin people of seapunk told me in a dream that the collision of neutrinos and anti-neutrinos would cause a space-flux continuum that swallows all that is normal and turns it into a marxist message. This is why (insert music genre) is anti-capitalistic.

[@Gabriel87100]

+solunasunrise Anyone who "dislikes" capitalism is dumb because they can't see that the problems in their countries are caused by government and dumb and greed politicians.

[@neuronaut8030]

+lukas akerlund People hate commercialism. Capitalism good, commercialism bad. Get it? Commercialism only works insofar as it advertisement influences stupid people, you can't "create want" in a self-aware person so to an extent the people who respond to commercialism and therefore create demand for it, deserve the soul-sucking emptiness that it offers. Winston Churchill said “democ­racy is the worst form of gov­ern­ment, except for all the oth­ers” and the same could be said for capitalism after all true democratic republics or any genuinely democratic systems cannot exist without capitalism, so capitalism has it's flaws but it's the best system tried so far. And yes socialism has tried and failed many times, communism has "worked" (if you can call it that) for a few decades in places like China so if you want your life to belong to the government i suppose you may enjoy it, but socialism is diet communism and it either has to become full communism or revert back to capitalism or just fail completely and a new regime and system replaces it. People don't flee capitalist countries to go to socialist or communist countries in search of freedom, they flee communism/socialism, people swim from Cuba to the U.S. not vica versa. Only wealthy entitled ignorant leftist flee capitalist countries to go to socialist countries, hating the very system that allowed them to prosper from their parents hard work, products of leftists media. And those people weren't fleeing starvation and corrupt police/military/government like the people fleeing socialist/communist countries they are fleeing their entitled existence having no sense or respect for the work that their parents did to provide them with that comfort.

[@BlackWingGenesis]

+solunasunrise He said that because that is what the wikipedia page says LOL.

[@Gabriel87100]

capitalism is nothing but voluntary and mutual exchanges of personal property. if you use stolen goods (tax money, for example), it is not capitalism, its statism, stealing and/or corporativism. sorry to break your pseudo intellect, but capitalism is present since mankind rose when someone decided to trade an object for another, and it will always be. the moment you give too much authority to someone, they will ruin things up.

[@thekillercyclist]

i miss this channel.....

[@MatthewDevil]

i think an important and noteworthy aspect of vaporwave (which definitely could be inferred by some of the things said in this video, as well as the title, etc) is its emphasis on parodying the over-exaggerated vision of the future, from the perspective of american technologic culture advertised in the 80s and 90s. with the recent unveiling of the internet and the speculation of its possible potential, corporations went wild with their imaginations, envisioning the future as this strange, highly virtual utopia. computers interacting with humans, humans morphing with computers, alternate virtual worlds and dimensions! this clearly significant innovation in technology near the end of the century really opened the eyes of those at the top of the consumerist hierarchy. now, obviously now that the 2010s have rolled around and the internet is at the top of its game, it's easier to see how this outrageous fantasy sounds pretty ridiculous in today's context. with computer companies dying down their advertising schemes to be/act more realistic, head-space has been cleared for nostalgia to kick in. we now look back at 80s/90s yuppie culture and laugh, as if it was a joke, and young aspiring music producers have sought to take advantage of this humourousness and re-envision this "hypercapitalist music" (muzak, adult contemporary, smooth jazz, etc) in a new light. pitching/slowing down the content, as well adding reverb and other cavernous effects, take this material's already smooth and sexy nature and make it more dreamy, alluring, and mind-altering, further exploiting this faux-futuristic corporate imagery that was painted in the first place. vaporwave takes music manufactured for the first "new age" of consumers and amplifies its now-absurd ideals to create a post-ironically enjoyable music subgenre. this could also explain the heavy use of Japanese sound samples and Japanese kana characters in track titles. Japan has always been ahead of the curve when it comes to technological innovation, so it's no surprise that Japanese technology comes to mind when visualizing this outdated techno-corporate idea of the future. furthermore, it's not difficult to see that several elements of seapunk have dripped and seeped into vaporwave's visual style; pastel colors and 90s internet graphic design certainly play an integral part in most of the visual art in both genres. the only point i would sort of disagree with is when you said that vaporwave appears to have "no artistic purpose". vaporwave (at least from my perspective) relies very heavily on it's aesthetic and vibe that is given off by its modifications of this music and ideological style. i would argue that its "artistic purpose" is, well, throwback! reimagining an obsolete musical brand in a new environment, to appeal to the current age of users previously described in corporate advertisements for computers and fast food.

[@tedsheckler100]

Have you noticed that you use your hands to communicate a lot?

[@thisexists]

It's been brought to my attention.

[@tedsheckler100]

It's actually really cool.

[@nekomaster1000]

+tedsheckler100 '1 year ago' '1 week ago' Holy hell man, where did you disappear to?

[@dr8627]

+tedsheckler100 teds vaporwave emporium

[@placer7412]

+tedsheckler100 don't most people....?

[@RobertoLicardie]

Vaporwave is simply beautiful. Though it could be really gimmick because literally anyone can make vaporwave. So people are making random stuff... When in reality, it's very artistic. In an abstract way. I personally think it's dying because it's becoming more main stream! In contrast, I find vaporwave very foggy, nostalgic and "futuristic" in a way lol . Nice topic and video though. 10/10 m8.

[@thisexists]

Roberto Licardie It's one of those easy to do, hard to do well things. Which can lead to great stuff, since the barrier to access and participation is so low.

[@RobertoLicardie]

This Exists Exactly! But hey, we're all a little weird in different aspects. Mine has to be this oddly enjoyment, almost fulfilling feeling from Vaporwave. ITs weird, but i love it. :)

[@imthescatguy]

i was so confused when i saw moonman at the beginning, because he's usually associated with much more vulgar things.

[@Thereviewer-lg6yr]

His name is actually, according to McDonald's, Mac Tonight. It's sad that the alt-right has hijacked such a cool-looking mascot to make poorly-made racist songs. (They just text to speech to dub over Mac Tonight commercials.)

[@KristofskiKabuki]

I think a lot of vaporwave sounds really beautiful, I listen to it while I'm studying

[@39PSIOnTheDaily]

Vaporwave is the next jazz. It will play a huge role on future music. Ironically, most of the current music from Vaporwave isn't so much a take on Capitalism as a new musical art/genre itself that incorporates chopped and screwed versions of hits from our parents heyday.

[@insertedgymeme581]

My English teacher made us write two papers on what ever we wanted. One topic I chose was vaporwave. It was surprising how many people didn't know that some vaporwave music had meaning and wasn't just meant to be an acid trip

[@gNatflaps]

Vaporwave may not be the futre of music, but it most definitely is the future of A E S T H E T I C.

[@TaggerW1lson]

I remember for a while, (and it still kind of is,) Vapowave was a huge thing to use in soundclowns. Soundclowns are pretty much the equivalent of ytps, only on soundcloud. These include ridiculous mashups, Weird musical takes on popular memes, etc. So, I can kind of see the similarities of Vaporwave to Ytps, but at least the creators of Vaporwave CLAIM to have some kind of artistic backround to it (even if it's really obsolete.)

[@thisexists]

TaggerW1lson Didn't even know about this. Thanks!

[@m0therfan]

please do an episode on noise music

[@TheTechnoBroz]

This.

[@Ariakiri_]

I think it's pretty interesting that you mention YTPMVs in this, apart from just talking about Vaporwave music in and of itself. I think there is a strong parallel between the two as far as using the utmost random sources, and just distorting it/doing whatever with it to turn it into something new and interesting. It's a creative process, but in a way that hasn't been as easily achievable until within the past 10-15 years.

[@FutureNoize]

"Shit-heal Book Club" sounds like a brilliant idea.

[@pipebombwrestlingtalkgreat6164]

One of the best channels ever! Keep up the amazing work!!!

[@larkspurbetulaakahexagonal2902]

so its basically abstract art in the form of music?

[@lemonzing234]

Hexagonal Milo 10 Pop art in the form of music.

[@1deviousmama333]

yes exactly

I think the reason vaporwave got so big is because of the dubstep scene. Those who "found" dubstep back in 2010 were "too late" and they have since been looking for the perfect substitute to proudly present themselves as "first listeners" and calling it .old when it hits videos like these. Also, 'Tim and Eric Awesome Show - Great job!' might contribute to the genres general acceptance. But that's just me rambling.

[@mksabourinable]

huh...... I had heard of it before, but never really knew what it was, and never ended up looking it up. But like... the music just sounds good to me? Like I just heard clips here (and your simpsonwave ep which is how I got here) and like... what. I wasn't expecting that culture to go with that music. I'm actually going to check out some vaporwave now

[@404-snk]

You might also like lo fi hip hop

[@juvedoo99]

+gengar MF DOOM has some music that sounds very similar to vaporwave. Especially, in his MM FOOD album.

[@qwertydog9795]

y o u h a v e t o l e a r n h o w t o t y p e l i k e t h i s

[@kosukemiura1226]

Basically vaporwave is *Dolphins+ *Statues+ *Uncomfortable music+ =Vaporwave A E S T H E S T I C

[@SmokeyMcPotProductions]

You forgot... Neon grid patterns + VHS distortions

[@unocarb]

Vaporwave belongs in the underground! We don't need our weird genre going mainstream!

[@janeyrattray544]

Depending on the sources Used ytpmvs can have an entirely different feel to the songs that they are covering, and sometimes sound even better as a result. An example that comes to mind is dark khezu's "image of scout", a cover of "image of hero" from the phantasy star online soundtrack.

[@ShaunDreclin]

IMO vaporwave is more like nostalgia in music form than any sort of commentary on capitalism.

[@Dreadpirate46]

Great video, Sam! A couple of friends independent of each other suggested your channel to me so I delved into a crash course of your library. After having spent the last few hours catching up, you definitely have a subscriber out of me. A lot of the stuff you mention I've never heard of - that is until you mentioned Number Stations and Cold Slither. It made this 80's guy proud cause I could finally quote Captain America "Oh, oh, I know that. I know what you're talking about." What I like most is at the end you read comments about the previous episode. You make it interactive, which I find to be rare among most high profile uploaders, so I commend you. Can't wait to see what you have to introduce to me next. Thanks!

[@Arlesmon]

When it comes to music. I just focus on wheter or not i like the genre or the song. I personally like this genre, and i apreciate the message that they're trying to put in their songs. But personally i just like to enjoy the music rather than trying to find a deeper meaning behind it. But that's just me. So i really don't care if this is the future of music or not.

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

This video singlehandedly got me into the song "enjoy yourself"

[@angledcoathanger]

It's valid to say that vapourware is a critique of consumerism, capitalism etc, but I think more than that it's a celebration and reflection of it. It's definitely not the heavy handed political statements of Rage Against the Machine because it doesn't actually say anything about this culture, it just repackages it and makes it beautiful and ridiculous.

[@tempurasupplyco]

3 Thoughts: 1. If Chill Trap, Chill Step, Future Trap And Future Bass, Chip Tune, Even A Sound Of Music That Sound Likes Love Making Is Genres, Vaporwave is next 2. The Blank Banshee Song. Infinite Loop (With Like A /:D In the beginning of the title) sounds like glitch, Chill Trap, ChillSTEP. (emphasis needed) and chiptune, all fused together to make that sound, and big names are making this sound. Keep that in mind. 3. Get the links to the music in the description, please.

[@saintultra2737]

Why the fuck is vaporwave always tied to this "hyper anti-capitalism" message? For fucks sake, so much cringe. I thought it was just creepy 80's-90's graphics, nostalgia, and droning tunes...

[@luttefisk]

Because it's basically taking the piss.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

That's just "Kitsch." It doesn't seem to include Detournement as practiced by the non-marxist and situationist left (skewing up adverts into protest messages, that eventually led to Pop Art.). It just seems like some postmodernist celebration... Pop Art's been regurgitated away from it's critique of mass production, since about the 1970s that it doesn't really gather that effect, from using a 70 year-old method.

[@rikuown]

Marxists love to take art for their own since they usually don't create art of their own. Unless the art is propaganda to convince people to be a marxist.

[@luttefisk]

+Wingwinder Come on. Loads of artists have been Marxists at some point in their lives.

[@luttefisk]

+Wingwinder Come on. Loads of artists have been Marxists at some point in their lives.

[@KokoRicky]

I've been a KZbin Pooper for years and Vaperwave seems to be right up my alley. Thanks for the info! A Vaporwave playlist will do well at my next party.

[@Marlboro_Cone.3883]

I'm from the future. It's not but it's still alive.

[@firekoovin3347]

And im from the future future

[@thesinfultictac5704]

It is the the lounge music of our own built Cyberpunk dystopia. It is calumniation of all the prophetic cyberpunk cityscapes of the 80's and 90s.

[@jimevans1809]

Vaporwave makes me happy I'm not paying attention. I did happen to see Rihanna on SNL. I thought it was kind of crappy. It reminded me of the cheesy Wolfman dance numbers on Hilarious House of Frightenstein. Those were good in and of themselves. Seeing it rehashed...meh.

[@thisexists]

Yoshio Tamiya Are you Canadian? Always curious how big Frightenstein is outside of here. Wonder if it would be a good episode.

[@jimevans1809]

Yessir. Born in Toronto, live in Calgary and not remotely Japanese.

[@thisexists]

Awesome. Wouldn't want to an episode about something everyone in the world had already heard of. Such a classic show.

[@gingeas]

Interesting and weird...almost as weird as black MIDI. But weird.

[@RedstoneRogue]

Yah, my parents hate be doing black MIDI

[@camakiriad]

What is the best MIDI player? Piano from Above or Synthesia?

[@RedstoneRogue]

Piano from above x64

[@-SUM1-]

Hello Mr black MIDI Pioneer

[@David-uc4hc]

+Gingeas What the hell... I found your channel after discovering black MIDIs a few days ago. I watch this vid and discover yet another interesting genre of music, and here you are. Are you God?

[@cromerholt]

a e s t h e t i c

[@coolthings_1]

this is actually one of the most in depth and well thought out piece regarding the genre that I have seen so far, well done.

[@CaptainErsatz]

Vaporwave wasn't really born on tumblr, but it's definitely influenced by seapunk. If anything, it was born (or more proliferated) on bandcamp. Far Side Virtual is a very important release in "proto-vaporwave" but Chuck Person's Eccojams is equally so, I'd say. MACINTOSH PLUS, for example, is heavily influenced by Eccojams. Another thing the sound of vaporwave comes from is the genre of plunderphonics, which is partly where mashup music comes from. As far as vaporwave being the future of music, I've been following it for a while and there's many copycat producers out there making empty schlock. It's fairly easy to copy MACINTOSH PLUS or even Saint Pepsi's sound and if you lurk bandcamp you'll find a lot of them. Good video though, one of the more informative I've found on the genre.

[@thisexists]

Cornbread521 Thanks - great dissection of some finer points here, too.

[@thapoint09]

By browsing the eccojam tag on Soundcloud, I was able to find a rather interesting vaporwave project by some guy called Gongoozler. There's also Infinity Frequencies.

[@Defeshh]

Thank you for that post, love it.

[@kristina80ification]

I'd say that eccojams is way more important than FSV personally, but as I said before, vaporwave predates seapunk, maybe only by a week or so... but still.

[@neightneight1280]

Another Sub earned; been missing this genre! Whether because of/ despite of the apparent purpose of an artistic genre; some artists just straight-up bring the feels, PROVING affection for the craft. Much of this music reminds me of stand out works in movie OST's AND '90's Miami Bass'. 'Techmaster-P.E.B.' & Vangelis (Blade-Runner OST) both have a skill for crafting audio nostalgia that outshines the medium. SO worth the listen

[@oldmanrambles]

There is about two minutes of substance here in a ten minute video.

[@PytD]

Ok, at 3:54 there is a sphere that appears for a few seconds. I remember it from one of the shorts that YTV used to run between shows during late night back in the late 90's. They were animated, none of them related to one another, and they were generally done in early polygonal CGI. Seeing that sphere brought back a flood of memories. Does anyone remember what I am talking about, or have any info on where I could go to watch those again?

[@thisexists]

Jon VanDerKooi Dude, I forgot all about that animation even though I'm the one who found the clip. Then Jim, who edits the show, was like "I REMEMBER THIS FROM YTV" and we had this collective moment of joy. Glad you felt the same.

[@skeeterhmcr]

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[@YEE941]

Im not sure what I just watched but it sounded and looked cool lol

[@SoApBoX]

I always thought Vaporwave was more like Internet's folk music. Not designed to be popular or to go anywhere special, but still really fascinating.

[@C4FF31N3]

to be honest I actually really like vaporwave

[@johndeleonardis901]

THANK YOU for using Blank Banshee's "B:/ Infinite Login" as an example of where vaporwave can go -- his Blank Banshee 1 album is by FAR my favorite example of vaporwave (or "vaportrap" or whatever you want to call it).

[@VGDocs]

I watched the video, still don't know what vaporwave is, lol. I'm just stupid.

[@thisexists]

Trogdor8freebird Jim, who edits the show, said pretty much the same thing.

[@DeletedMusic]

Trogdor8freebird yeah it wasn't explained well at all, a lot of vaporwave is sample-based plunderphonics.

[@444WORLD]

i am so late to the game but i absolutely love this stuff

[@D9-THC]

IM EVEN LATER and ive been aware, im just late to making the stuff its never too late

[@JM-co6rf]

How about vaporwave being about an aesthetic, NOT an ideology?! It's not a "critique of voluntary exchange, in favor of state control". Yuck. Way to spoil vaporwave.

[@smokyp3nguin]

+Jesse M That seems to be what all these videos are. Someone trying really hard to understand something really simple, and in the process making everything lame.

[@JM-co6rf]

+Nemo Umbranox Voluntary interaction = capitalism. To be "anti-capitalistic" is to be pro-force and pro-violence. You can reject consumerism and STILL be a capitalist. A capitalist can live in a hippie commune with shared property because it's voluntary not forced.

[@JM-co6rf]

+Nemo Umbranox If people can't be trusted to solve social problems with voluntary exchange (innovation, charity, family, community, etc) then they certainly can't be trust with violent force (the state, taxation, money printing, etc). There is no way around this logic. You must argue for a voluntary society. The state is a logical moral contradiction.

[@JM-co6rf]

+Nemo Umbranox Unborn people cannot choose to be born into State debt. It is YOU who doesn't take the term violence seriously. If I don't pay for the things YOU want, you want me thrown in to prison where I have a high likelyhood of being rapes. You are the moral monster here. Not me.

[@JM-co6rf]

+Nemo Umbranox So you do believe in property?! If so, then you can't have two opposing moral rules for humans. One group that CAN (AND MUST) print money, start wars, imprison people for non-violent crimes, monopolize industries, and hand out money to cronies ---and one group (us) who can't (and will be thrown into rape rooms for doing). If there is right/wrong, then the state is the physical embodiment of a moral contradiction.

[@DimiKaye]

1st. I like vaporwave because it reminds me of 80s synth pop. 2nd Yes for the books, It would be fun. 3d and most important. Because of this video, I finally found the song Moments In Love by Art of Noise which I've been searching for many years. I listened to it throughout my life and noone could tell me the name, my friends did not know, I only had the melody and I didn't know how to search google and youtube in order to find it. So, thanks for that!

[@patrickhassomethingtosay]

This may be the most pretentious description of music I have ever heard...

[@thisexists]

Patrick Favo Oh for sure.

[@Beenyad]

A lot of people critical of the genre mistake that Vaporwave has to fit a certain memey ironic mold, and that if it doesn't come from down tuned 80's music and looks like windows 95 then it can't be vaporwave. What they're missing is that the musical core of Vaporwave is a very flexible yet distinct flavor that has been identified and legitimized as it has aged. Early on you had your Vektroids, and Chuck Persons which did fit within the mold that's become so memey, but for a while now artists have been pushing the genre past these ironic foundations, while keeping its signature aesthetic. I personally would like to see the genre come from less source material and more from original compositions. I'd like for it to be seen as a stylistic extension of smooth jazz, soul, rnb, pop. I don't like seeing what is one of the most bizarre yet fresh and captivating things to happen to music get dismissed as a joke when it has so much potential, although I think part of its appeal is its obscurity.

[@orley6379]

also S I M P S O N W A V E

[@cri6812]

simpson wave is a subgenre of vaporwave, it's just vaporwave synced up with a simpsons episode.

[@cri6812]

^^^

[@orley6379]

Brad Maxwell musically, yes, but simpsonwave is a different artstyle visually.

[@ChrisTweten]

Vaporwave is not dead. Macross 82-99 x Yung Bae album was just announced!

[@Jario943]

So, you mention YTPMV's and not Sparta Remixes? Fine...be that way.

[@thisexists]

Jario I'm a difficult dude.

[@tardisparty221b]

So I recently discovered Vaporwave, and at first i though i was liking it ironically, buttt i realized that i just like it. It felt like something i shouldn't like. I thought about it and one description i gave was "it is what popular music would sound like in a post capitalistic-apocalyptic society in the future, but that future was 2003."

[@lordspoon2405]

What does capitalism have to do with anything?

[@thomasgartner5236]

Any time an art movement goes to lengths to pillage and recycle things there's an anti-capitalist element to it.

[@victorrojas2894]

Thomas Gartner But why exactly?

[@LunaCorbden]

Victor Rojas Partly because of intellectual property law and other factors that isolate parts of our culture from being recycled. If you go too far in using company logos or characters, you get sued. So some of these styles I think are rejections of that oppressive feeling of restriction. And also reactions to a feeling that corporations define what we're supposed to like. So making something that is far outside that paradigm is a way of parodying that and/or an attempt to take back control of culture. Vaporwave and Simpsonwave both remind me of Andy Worhol's work in the 60s. He too took images from pop culture, often corporate images, and repurposed them in surrealist color and repetition.

[@Quirky.Turtle69]

or because most of the music they use was originally made for marketing

[@LunaCorbden]

Some of it but not all. I recognize lots of influences and samples in vaporwave, including mainstream 80s pop, space music, new age, and new wave. One song I heard basically ripped off a whole David Arkenstone song, not really adding anything, just slowing it down and selling it as a new song, whole cloth. I'm not sure how I feel about *that*. I dig sampling, but don't just plagiarize.

[@Nikkitapup]

Just throwing this out there, I would love to be apart of a book club.

[@Jacketx]

Ｉ Ｔ ＇ Ｓ Ａ Ｌ Ｌ Ｉ Ｎ Ｙ Ｏ Ｕ Ｒ Ｈ Ｅ Ａ Ｄ

[@cherrysdiy5005]

Amazing how this eventually influenced some of Cyberpunk. There's still bits and pieces of it around.

[@Sickcrazyneet]

Cyberpunk has been a thing since the 70s and 80s?

[@cherrysdiy5005]

​​@@Sickcrazyneet I apologize, I have no idea why I wrote that comment. It was thoughtless. But, yes, Cyberpunk as a genre has existed for about since the 70's.

[@AxlPatrol]

> He thinks tumblr created Vaporwave

[@gabbyriel5812]

Didn't this type of thing already exist in the 80s?

[@jOoomOooo]

+Gabby Riel nah thats the whole point , liek they are making fun of smooth jazz or whatever

[@SmokedSolidDairy]

I came for a semi-ironic fascination with vaporwave, stayed for the amazing Punk flyer collage in the background. Nice choice, sir.

[@yaboitroy4101]

Guys if you want good vaporwave then listen to whitewoods-beachwalk

[@Jason-tx3go]

Thats not vaporwave lmao

[@muno8564]

+Jason Duewel What is it then?

[@sammalla5238]

+OTP It's a Chill wave!

[@yaboitroy4101]

It is vaporwave

[@rlstnnl1740]

Downtown - Gladitek is better

[@FoofieBinks]

I think that trying to predict what the next big music genre is like trying to predict the weather. It's just to unpredictable.

[@CASHERR]

Vaporwave is scary as shit.

[@dismemberment_UG]

+ValentinXGamer You have to open up. It won't hurt you

[@CASHERR]

Dismemberment IS SCARRY :(

[@dismemberment_UG]

ValentinXGamer everythings ok, just don't play it and you'll be fine, it can't take your soul if it's not in your ears,

[@CASHERR]

Dismemberment ok

[@CASHERR]

+Dismemberment but... is not scary, but saint pepsi enjoy yourself is scary.

[@mierkov5204]

Sam's hand gestures level: Mike Shinoda + Eminem.

[@Ichiboy900]

I can't see it being the future of music, mainly because I can't see anyone born in this millennium "getting" it. This sound was everywhere in the 80's and 90's, and it was awful. If you were a kid at that time, you had to be subjected to it while you were with your parents at such banal places as the supermarket and clothing boutiques. I'm addicted to vaporwave because it's such a catharsis for those times. It's taking that music and making it into something horrifying, which is such a slap in the face to the creator of the original piece of music who intended moms to hear it while they were shopping. I don't think it's too pretentious, or has any huge political message, it's just something that will probably click immediately for people who remember that era, and probably sounds like garbage to everyone else.

[@vOddy75]

+TimmiT That was an interesting message. I was born in the 1990's, and I want to thank you for offering your perspective to me

[@paulmaartin]

+TimmiT some vaporwave got winxp stuff

[@MrBillsTunes]

STAUNCH HYPE @1:44 !!!! *KREYGASM*

[@Threecreation]

son you are NOT talking about vaporwave in a MISHKA hat right now relevant to this video: some dude came up with this idea to create a bullshit sequel to the Macintosh Plus album Floral Shoppe, creating some of the most abrasive unlistenable tunes that would fit under the vaporwave moniker. he packaged it on a bandcamp with nearly the same album art, but with a different name attached. funnily enough, he ended up loving the simplicity of making it and looks fondly upon the experience. I think the genre is only as entertaining as the audience finds it, which is a shame. vaporwave shouldnt have been made out to be a trend or else (much like noise, powerviolence, grindcore, and other unconventional, abrasive, and anti-capitalist genres) it would live a long and productive life. the blogosphere is quick to shift its eyes away from a dying trend. vultures. dreamcatalogue.net/2014/08/16/an-explanation-of-floral-shoppe-2/

[@thisexists]

Threecreation It's a Buffalo Bisons hat, don't worry. My only MISHKA hat sits on the shelf because it's too fresh and I can't pull it off. Also this sounds amazing, going to check it out right now!

[@josephbh8712]

I think vaporwave has potential tho. Tame Impala and Rihanna used vaporwave inspired songs a couple years back and people still make that genre. Even Vektroid, queen of vaporwave, still makes music

[@Moxx3]

I actually noticed that some of the music videos, were shown on the channel "YTV" back in the early 90's when I was young. They were like fillers between shows, instead of using commercials. I always enjoyed them, some more than others. Now I know they were of a specific music genre :D

[@splastic2580]

vaporwave is not ""tumblr borne""

[@gavinwoodard9178]

splastic ' i know i want to stab my ears with pens when i hear that lie

[@Meervo]

The aesthetic is tho

[@nickyiskool]

I'M IN AN EPISODE OF THIS EXISTS! MOM GET THE CAMERA! But seriously, awesome episode dude, thanks for taking our suggestion.

[@thisexists]

Nicholas Johnson Thanks!