Are fan remakes the only good remakes?

[@Skulblakahjarta]

Going off on a tangent here but this put me in mind of things like fanfiction and fanart too. To paraphrase you're line, the act of loving something so much you want to recreate it, really ties in. I think that the main difference in thought is that hollywood remakes are often trying to change and replace the origional movie, whereas fan remakes are more about reliving and loving their memory.

[@BEEEELEEEE]

My friends and I plan to make a low-budget adaptation of Sword Art Online. Not as fans, but as people who vehemently hate it more than anything else in the world.

[@Beamo1080]

You must have no life and no soul

[@BEEEELEEEE]

***** You should give Gurren Lagann a try. It's the only anime I've been able to really get into.

[@LifeUntilLove]

Why do you hate it so much, if you don't mind me asking? I watched the first half of the first season and though it was okay.

[@cowman850]

+R.J. “Beeeeleeee” Beasley or Evangelion.

[@dogbless9306]

LifeUntilLove The first half of the first season is the only good part.

[@lukethoennes440]

Episode VII is not a remake: it is a continuation. There have been tons of interpretations of what happens after Episode VI, and Episode VII would be the assumedly canonical version of these interpertations

[@spookyrosev6467]

Luke Thoennes And 3 years later this episode is admittedly kind of cringy since a group of fans are trying to get a fan remake of The Last Jedi off the ground...something even most people regard as extremely purist fanboyish even by Star Wars standards

[@RaccoonRevolution]

There was a thing released on KZbin a couple months ago in which about 100 independent animators were each given a few seconds of audio from a single episode of Sailor Moon. The result was 'Moon Animate Makeup' and it's one of the most visually fascinating things I've ever seen. It's both bizarre and artful and I would really recommend you check it out because just describing it can't do it justice.

[@psimon12345]

Good video and almost better comment comments (you know, when u go back and discuss some comments) You're channel is growing well, congratulations.

[@thisexists]

Vladimir Haljkevic Thanks!

[@HighDefinitionBros]

Could you do an episode on Cicada 3301?

[@thisexists]

HDB Good idea!

[@Kingy9000]

I love going through and picking out all the punk bands in the background: Misfits, Black Flag, Bad Brains, The Descendents, Minor Threat, Germs etc

[@Kingy9000]

Also, the clash behind his head

[@jefferysparks4431]

I get so mesmerized in your hand motion every episode. (that sounded less weird in my head.) Also I and ten other of my friends would join your book club if you ever decide to start it.

[@thisexists]

Jeffery Sparks It's part of my elaborate hypnosis ritual. Glad it's working. (And great!)

[@projectRHIthink]

Such a huge fan!! I love this channel so much and have been since day one...

[@thisexists]

Thanks!

[@ShiraSketch]

There's this epic remake of an episode done by several fan animators called Moon Animate Make-Up!

[@Wukeywukey]

Where can I watch these? I'd assume DVDs are available, but are there any free ones on KZbin?

[@thisexists]

I just added links in the description - both Empire and Star Wards Uncut are on KZbin!

[@95keat]

The toy story remake using real toys is on youtube

[@lidge1994]

This Exists I like Robocop (2014) :/

[@thisexists]

Lidge1994 Incorrect.

[@lidge1994]

This Exists What, I like the effects, the mechanisms, I'm into seeing cool machines :D dunno about the movie itself but you gotta admit the machines were made pretty badass :)

[@broke.on.records]

It's a similar thing to fan covers in music, say, on KZbin. Nobody wants to hear Marilyn Manson covering Personal Jesus but we'll freak out over a sixteen- or seventeen-year-old girl doing a quiet acoustic rendition of it. It gives other fans of the original a more personal connection to the cover (or, more in general, the remake) since it's also being done by a fan rather than another music in the industry.

[@MrEthris]

Love this channel!! Came here from Game Theory, and instant sub!! Great job man!! Keep it up! 😄 :)

[@kushgoddoe]

tanx :)

[@cadencebirdsong]

A while back there was a shot for shot remake of a Sailor Moon episode, that featured over 250 artists and their styles. It's called "Moon Animate Make-Up!"

[@SlyHikari03]

Nice

[@TheMushiman]

Fan remakes are a great expression of the love and obsession we feel towards our favorite movies, but claiming they are the "only good remakes" is a stretch. I'll be the first to admit that most of the time blockbuster remakes tend to be piles of crap, but that doesn't mean every remake that comes out of Hollywood is. Let us not forget the amazing remakes that have to to equal (or even surpass) the original like The Thing, Scarface, Ocean's Eleven, Little Shop of Horrors, The Fly, The Departed, and the list goes on and on. It's not that major production companies are unable to create quality remakes that both pay respects to and modernize the originals, it's just that it takes the right people to do it well. If you look at all of those examples that I listed, they weren't made by just any random forgetful film maker. They were made by people who are considered to be masters of the craft both then and now, and they are also people who are famous for having respect and knowledge of film and it's history.

[@felixnilbog4517]

I always stare at the misfits poster on the right. I think he likes me.

[@thisexists]

Felix Holmes Crimson Ghost has a crush.

[@felixnilbog4517]

This Exists crimson ghost?

[@thisexists]

That's the name of the Misfits' mascot.

[@felixnilbog4517]

Oh cool, thats what i thought but i wasnt sure.

[@sailboats3482]

Crimson Skull homie

[@Eebers]

I think that it's almost impossible to make a remake of something so beloved like starwars or robocop, because fans have standards that are just outrageous (not in a bad way). They are expecting it to be as good or better than the original, which is really hard to capture, when you see something for the first time you don't know what to expect, but with a remake, you know exactly what it should be.

[@Arylide123]

If anything I feel like fan remakes are there to recreate that magic the creator once felt upon their initial viewing of the source material. They're trying to express the sort of visceral knee jerk reactions the movie made them feel so others can experience it they way they did. It's an admirable effort and cool as all hell

[@GameHoardGame]

Thanks for these videos. I don't listen to a great variety of music personally but these videos keep me from just existing inside my own little bubble of perception. Your videos create so much good discussion. You are clearly a thinker and one whos not an elitist prick.

[@thisexists]

Game Hoard Game Thanks! The discussion each week really amazes me.

[@dr.frank-n-furter8777]

Two remakes I'm particularly unhappy about: - Annie - It Mostly because Tim Curry is in both of them and won't be in the remakes.

[@spookyrosev6467]

Dr. Frank-N-Furter LOL I took the comment too seriously at first about to write an essay about It in particular ,but the Tim Curry line got me!

[@saaaaaaaaaaaaaa121]

You should check out moon animate make up , a crowd sourced project in which many animators all animated a certain section of one episode of sailor moon

[@Atomsk648]

It's simple. Big studio-made remakes are subject to a certain hype and expectation. If they don't live up to that expectation, they are widely panned as terrible. However, fan-remakes have no expectations to live up to. They could be good or crap, but the audience doesn't *expect* them to be good, which makes the great fan-remakes that much more impressive.

[@ZeSnark]

There are a fair share of remakes that are comparable or even better than their predecessors. The 1939 version of "The Wizard of Oz" was the fourth attempt at making that into a movie. John Carpenter's "The Thing" is vastly superior to the original (in my opinion at least). It's easy to get cynical about all the horrid remakes, but that could be said about movies in general. Dozens of terrible movies are made every year, the remakes just get more attention as they have a certain standard to reach.

[@thisexists]

ZeSnark Fair. The Thing is the best.

[@spookyrosev6467]

ZeSnark I agree this episode is a bit too cynical

[@LWolf12]

I'm not sure how I feel about 'fan remakes' like these... a lot of them seem to try to take the 'so bad it's good' route. I never really enjoyed a lot of the Hollywood remakes thought they do have some good ones. Then again they also tend to try to 'modernize' the script which isn't always needed but the movies themselves aren't always that bad.

[@GuyTheMasculine]

I was looking at the background and he has a lot of big names in 80s hardcore punk. But I could not find The Casualties.

[@moonlover594]

This reminded me of fan made cartoons. The most I've seen is from the brony fandom. They love the short ones, at most, but the longer they are, the more they judge it. Even though it's just a cartoon on the internet.

[@looshkin66]

i did a shot for shot remake of debbie does dallas in my garage with me and 37 cardboard cutouts of Joey Fatone..........i consider it my magnum opus.

[@tedsheckler100]

I never knew about these fan made films. Thank you for this video. :)

[@MahlenMorris]

Don't fan remakes mainly work because of the compare and contrast activity in the viewer's mind between the memory of the original and what you are watching at the moment? I find it hard to imagine that watching a fan remake of a film I've never seen would be anywhere close to entertaining. And can we add Evil Dead 2 to the list of great big-budget remakes? Admittedly a strange circular example, but still.

[@Rokios]

Its an odd thing the The Evil Dead series as the first The Evil Dead is a remake of Sam Rami's prototype Within the Woods and then The Evil Dead 2 is a comedic remake/sequel of The Evil Dead then The Evil Dead was Hollywood rebooted/remade as Evil Dead.

[@thisexists]

Old Man Jenkins TOO META.

[@GanjaCoyote]

Another example for me would be comedy spoof movies that are trying to cash in on the magic of the Scarey Movie franchise, but instead of letting actors who are actually funny ad lib something brilliant, we got nearly shot for shot remakes, but with worse acting, bad lines, and throw away skits doing lame references. Or is the reason that those movies sucked the fat one simply that the joke got old and lost its impact?

[@j.yossarian6852]

Old Man Jenkins What about Army of Darkness/ED3?

[@Rokios]

J.Yossarian The Army of Darkness is just a sequel to The Evil Dead 2, surprisingly.

[@UnguidedNun]

Very Cool. Totally going to watch all of those now. Keep up the good work.

[@Mctazin]

Any thoughts on the shot for shot remake of Funny Games?

[@thisexists]

Mctazin I haven't actually seen either. The idea is pretty interesting - same director, same crew, just in English. Have heard great things about both.

[@Mctazin]

This Exists I remember I deliberately strayed away from the american version because, well... I've sort of been conditioned to go straight to the source for an authentic artistic expression and to stay the fuck away away from any remakes or rereleases, especially American ones. I was actually so surprised when I found out what the actual details of it was. Pretty cool stuff.

[@kaitlingregory409]

I truly enjoy fan-made parodys. My personal favorite is the Dragon Ball Z Abridged series by TeamFourStar. They remain true to the original spirit of the show, and tell the same story with it, but they also have a lot of fun pointing out the sheer absurdity of the source material. I can't even imagine how much effort goes into making each new episode, because they take the footage from the actual show and edit everything down to the last detail, so even the mouths are synced to the dialog that they scripted, and recorded themselves. It is amazing that they are willing to put that much effort into it, and what they put out is a truly enjoyable series. I think that's what makes fan-made remakes so special. You know it isn't about the money or the fame, it so much fun to watch because you know its just a couple of fellow nerds having a few laughs and paying tribute to an old, nostalgic, childhood classic. And that is pretty damn cool. Great episode, shitheel.

[@thisexists]

Kaitlin Gregory Thanks, shitheel.

[@GTYoungMetro5G]

Is it a remake if you make it a nearly different movie? Like for example The Shining remake. It was practically a different movie but based in the same location as previous family from the original movie but at a different time period.

[@thisexists]

RobloTheAmazing There are some "remakes" that are approached as new adaptations of existing source material - Shining is one, the million different I Am Legend movies, etc. I'd say most of those fall into a different catagory.

[@ZombieDragQueen]

Sam, you forgot Steve Oedekerk's brilliant "Thumb"-series of remakes: Thumb Wars, Thumbtanic, Bat Thumb and so on. They were all the rage in the early 2000. I did however raise my eyebrows a bit when you said we as a culture own these works. I have some problems with fan entitlement especially when reading such comments like "Michael Bay raped my childhood" with his versions of the Transformers and Ninja Turtles. It's somewhat understandable; part of this entitlement is that it transcends the intrinsic work and its enjoyment of it creating a subculture based on it. But what it also does is that it reduces the author's role or disregards it completely. Just like when Ray Bradbury had a lecture at UCLA and the students flat out told him to his face that he was wrong, his book Fahrenheit 451 wasn't about actual book burning and how TV (and Internet subsequently) sucked, but that the book was actually about censorship. He walked out. Same when "fans" wanted to lynch mob J. K. Rowling for saying Harry Potter and Hermione should have been together - the anger arose presumably because it would disrupt the canon Potter-verse erotic fan fiction. Guys, the characters belong to their authors and they can do whatever they want with them. We're lucky that we even got to know these characters and worlds in the first place. So many artists burn their works or lock them in their desk drawers, sometimes because of harsh self-criticism and sometimes because they fear the works will become misunderstood and create monsters on the internet. As for remakes, some professional ones are often on par if not better than the original. Like Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu" and Steve Soderbergh's "Solaris". There are plenty more great remakes than those.

[@thisexists]

Stefan B. True - Thumb Wars are amazing. But those have the feel of a fan remake, and are really less remakes than parodies, a whole other can of worms. I agree the concept of "ownership" is a troubling one. Justin, who shoots this show, always jokes about George Lucas having to defend himself from that same criticism - that he is accused of wrecking the childhood of someone whose childhood he basically invented with his mind. But I also think any piece of culture changes immediately once it is released into the world, especially consciously as an album or film. You are asking people to connect to your creation. And the depth of that connection isn't controlled by the artist. Ultimately, I agree that it's a pretty complex issue. And that great remakes like those only reinforce how garbage most others are.

[@ZombieDragQueen]

This Exists It's true, but some artists try to deflect the statement of asking the public to connect with your work with "well I just wrote this book/album/film for myself and I don't care what others think". If you only made it for yourself then you don't publish it in thousands of copies and make PR for it. You keep a copy for yourself and only you listen to/read it every now and again. I don't even know why Michael Bay gets the shit when Steven Spielberg is the one that convinced him to keep doing Transformers when he wanted to drop out and pursue other projects. Then there's the fact that the Ninja Turtles we love today are a kid friendly reboot of a gritty ultra-violent comic book where Shredder gets brutally killed in just one story arc, the Foot clan are humans not robots, Splinter dies of a heart attack, the Turtles are merciless killing machines. So there's also how we regard certain remakes as definitive versions made by other people rather than the original works and their authors.

[@ZombieDragQueen]

This Exists Post scriptum: I forgot to thank you for the book recommendation. I love The Mountain Goats as well, but it can be tricky keeping up with all projects one's favourite bands are doing when one has a really broad music taste and tries to find new music as well. And you should've worn a Marduk T-shirt this episode and see how many viewers would get that reference "Book of the week --> The Mountain Goats --> Marduk T-shirt --> Holy balls, that's a The Mountain Goats song! Sam, you sneaky little devil you." ;) ... Plus, as a side note, I love Marduk and they're awesome live as well.

[@thisexists]

Let me know what you think of the book! Also I really goofed on the shirt. And great points above, as well. Thanks as always.

[@petehill7280]

This Exists There's the 2005 remake of The Producers. It's a really good remake that respects the original. It's also really funny.

[@jencosplay]

No mention of the original pre-video/internet fan remakes? Ernie Fosselius' Hardware Wars and Porklips Now.

[@RussellRadio]

Don't forget about Angelawave. Also, the Drake and Josh vaporwave album.

[@TheWingrider92]

can you do an episode on Vocaloids? Also, have you read a novel called The Martian by Andy Weir? its a great book about someone stranded on Mars with a lot of scientific accuracy and lots of 70s-80s media refference

[@thisexists]

TheWingrider92 Good idea. Also thanks, marked it to read later!

[@thisexists]

TheWingrider92 HEY. I just finished The Martian on your recommendation, absolutely loved it. Thanks so much for the suggestion. Stoked to see what Ridley Scott does with the adaptation.

[@TheWingrider92]

so prob, the audio book for The Martian is really well done, check it out if you have the time

[@DissectingThoughts]

Has anyone mentioned Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged Series and the concept of Campaign Comics yet? They're not examples of remakes exactly, but I feel they kind of belong in this context anyway and are worth mentioning. I'm a big One Piece fan and I'm currently reading Grand Line 3 point 5 every time they update. What I find most appealing about these sorts of projects is that they allowed me to explore a piece of pop culture I love in a fresh way. Sort of like: "Oh, you like the Lord of the Rings and know the story by heart? Well imagine if the entire narrative instead of being carefully constructed by Tolkien was actually just improvised by a bunch of roleplayers. Can you imagine what that would be like? You don't have to! Someone already did. Now go enjoy this story you already love again but from a new and fresh perspective (and also in a different medium)."

[@sKitZoBonKa]

That balloon version doe xD

[@fogease]

Fandubs might be relevant to this too, including "abridged" animes. Wizard People is my favourite dub. Wizard People, Dear Reader - POWER-BABY (Chapter 1)

[@MixterFox]

when It comes to remakes they can be hit or miss and people seem to forget that Scarface is a remake.

[@richjaylewis]

Check out Metal Gear Solid Philanthropy. It isn't a remake of such, more adaptation, but brings snake to the big screen with only a little budget and tons of passion. The same thing with escape from city 17 which adapts hl2 to from game to video. Both are amazing.

[@GeonamicWarrior]

I was surprised when I got to the end of the video that you never mentioned anything about video game remakes! There are tons of remakes that people love and hate from games, just like movies, but it tends to be slightly different than your movie reasoning. A bad remake of a game would be final fantasy 4 for the MANY different devices it's now on; there's like at least 4 different remakes, but I stopped counting after that many times. A good remake of a game would be the HD remake of The Last of Us, for obvious HD textures and allowing the DLC of the original game being part of the game itself instead of needing to buy it from the DLC shop.

[@thisexists]

GeonamicWarrior Good point - I decided to leave video game remakes out, as it felt too big to shoehorn in here. Probably its own episode eventually!

[@ducttapeanddreams]

For an example of a good remake of a video game, look at the Pokemon franchise. What those games are a prime example of is taking a game and updating the core mechanics to go with the hardware and storage options of new eras, a decade in software is an eternity, and games that properly exploit the new capabilities of technology to make something old just plain better show what a good remake can do. (this is also what the remasterings of the Star Wars movies could have been had they not suffered from Lucas' decision to actually change plot points.

[@DirtyReaper]

Have you seen Loot crates Firefly sort of remake i loved it.

[@thisexists]

Justin Payne Haven't, will check it out!

[@DirtyReaper]

cool.

[@nicolastheposh]

Hey, love your videos and always find the interesting. What I don't get is why literally half of it was about the topic. The Other half about the comments from last weeks video. I like both parts mind you, but why not make then 2 separate videos seeing that the last week's comment part has nothing to do with the title.

[@thisexists]

nicolastheposh Stole the comment format from Idea Channel and Game Show. I like that it makes the conversation more an integral part of the whole episode - the commentary, which I think is often pretty valuable, isn't siloed off in another video. I've debated separating them, though - might be time to just ask in a video.

[@LordWhirlin]

One thing that I felt was slightly left off was the legal obligations for movie studios to produce in order to keep franchise rights. For example, the latest Spider Man remake was a contractual obligation to be made in that timetable, otherwise they jeopardized losing Spider Man movie rights.

[@thisexists]

Lord Whirlin Very very true.

[@TheMr.Logan9]

I find the same thing happens with video game remakes. Many remakes such as Another Metroid II Remake take other game engines, in this case Super Metroid, and remake older games. Nintendo is not going to remake that game anytime soon, because they rather just make a port that will fall flat in comparison. Not only can people remake games, but also remake TV shows into games. Giving us amazing playable experiences like Pokemon Naranja which is a remake of the Pokemon anime season that takes place in the orange islands.

[@TheMr.Logan9]

That is not a fan remake.

[@scarrednobody8644]

Something you may have overlooked, or possibly didn’t have time to discuss is the part nostalgia plays in this whole thing regarding remakes. When someone is watching a remake and has a strong sense of love or nostalgia for the original movie, they tend to go in with a predetermined opinion of the remake. A lot of the time, people will walk out of a film that may have been genuinely good, but will say it was terrible because their “nostalgia goggles” blinds them. And this is also why fan remakes are so popular. They’re not made by people who have their own vision on a certain product. You can pretty much ensure that these videos are made by people who have that nostalgia for the movie and run on that alone. And that’s what is so special about fan remakes, they’re by people who love the movie for people who love the movie. But does that mean Hollywood remakes are bad? Well, I wouldn’t think so. Sure, a lot of the time it doesn’t work too well, but put it in the hands of someone with a vision, it can be good. Look at the recent Carrie film. It received a lot of mixed to negative reviews because it wasn’t like the original. Now, one could argue that it didn’t try to be a remake of the classic film and tried to be more of an adaptation of the novel, it also did a lot of things that were different. On its own, it’s a perfectly good movie, but it’s that nostalgia that’ll keep a lot of people from enjoying it almost on principle. And this also goes into discussing remakes of foreign films. Hollywood knows that most people won’t go to the theater to seem a foreign movie, which is one reason for these remakes. Look at movies like The Ring (based on Ringu) and Let Me In (based on Let The Right One In). Both of these are good films, but many will say they’re bad because it’s just not the original. But the fact of it being a remake does cause some comparison between the two films. Can one be superior than the other? Of course. The only problem this really faces is that factor of people blindly saying something is better because it was first, and completely ignoring any merit that the remake may bring to the table.

[@thisexists]

Scarred Nobody Valuable perspective. Hadn't considered the specifics of the difference in motivation, but you've really explored that well. Thanks!

[@timhope1570]

Man, I really like this guys delivery, is there a reason his videos are a little on the short side and don't go super-deep into the subjects?

[@thisexists]

Tim Hope Generally try to balance information with entertainment - which means sacrificing depth sometimes. Also only so many hours in a day to research, shoot, edit, etc.

[@timhope1570]

This Exists Well it certainly leaves the audience wanting more, in a good way, of course.

[@martyfriedman2672]

Loving on your wall full of punk album covers.

[@rylyshane]

I would say Cronenberg's remake of Kurt Neumann's 'The Fly' is precisely what should happen in straight-up Hollywood remakes; a completely new take on an existing story of set of characters. [Spoiler Free] Whereas the original had been a somewhat comical though chilling tale of the follies of Science, Cronenberg's remake gave all of the characters a much broader depth of emotion and this ultimately made the film more relatable and thereby more terrifying. (Not that the new body prosthesis didn't help make it more frightening; improved technology is almost always a factor in classic remakes. Sit through some of the first series of Dr Who to see that process in motion.) Essentially it just becomes a chore to sit through the umpteenth retelling of a story if the director takes no new direction with it. And with Empire Uncut you're not just getting one distinct vision of these characters, but ~480 distinct visions and this is what makes it work so well. It hearkens back to our story telling roots; a group of hunter's may have all shared the experience of hunting but it takes all of them around the fire to properly relay it. The story is made richer for it as we can see other's points of views and better understand their biases just through the context with which they paint the shared experience. I think that is what works so well in Empire Uncut, that so many people had a hand in showing how they perceived the events of the original film. Granted most of the shorts in Empire Uncut are skewed toward the comical, they still speak volumes about the individual directors and the strong choices therein.

[@thisexists]

Ryly Shane Great point. Thanks!

[@rylyshane]

Thanks for saying so. =)

[@ew275x]

Scarface, The Thing, The Blob, The Fly? The 80s had plenty of kickass remakes. As well as some Hammer Horror films. Fan remakes tend to have various advantages: a) We already know and love the source material, so it has familiarity. b) It's free and clearly made with love and passion, so we're more forgiving. If it was an original script/story made by a lot of directors, changing mediums, and actors constantly, frankly that movie would be a piece of crap. So what I'm basically saying is that people are getting away with making shitty films because it's Star Wars. It's still a nice way to start learning to do film and a testament to how much we love Star Wars.

[@thisexists]

ew275x True. People didn't love Todd Solondz' Palindromes. Or maybe I just didn't love it.

[@MajorAskew]

I know its only a trailer and did get real funding but if you know Anime / 80's animated movies, you know Akira. And you know thats its live action version been in Development Hell for years. but when a team of Canadians set out to remake this year, well they did a good job so say the least. The Akira Project - Live Action Trailer (Official)

[@dane4605]

I think that the reason why the quality of fan remakes seem to be better than Hollywood remakes is that fan remakes tend to, or at least try to, maintain the spirit the source material. Likewise, the reason why I think people don't like Hollywood remakes is because directors/screenwriters/actors/etc. want to take the idea in a different direction while making the tone more akin to modern Hollywood's tone. For example, the JJ Abrams's Star Trek films are vastly different in tone and content from the original Star Trek series, which, among other factors, caused fans to be furious. Meanwhile, fan remakes are polar opposites of Hollywood remakes. Hollywood remakes are different in tone/content from the original and have big budgets while fan remakes are identical in tone/content but have no budget. No budget means that they have to get around that no-budget setback with objects around the house; that, in turn, adds a charm to fan remakes.

[@kanyex9281]

Vapor trap sounds sick!

[@LadyGaffigan]

Remakes are only good when the people in charge of the remake are taking it seriously and wish to celebrate a story rather than earn loads of money. This means that fan remakes will tend to feel better than the commercialized remakes. However, there are surely a few remakes out there that are quite spectacular - the most recent "Star Trek" movies come to mind - and they wouldn't have been successful if Abrams, Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Urban, etc. were not invested in producing something that was an homage to the original movies. As to why we worry about the commercialized remakes: Personally, the worry is what the industry wishes to make canon. Something the "official" remakes have over fan remakes is that they are rather definitive in the plot. We rage against Lucas's "prequels" because the canon tried to change our perception of the characters we know and love, and not for the better. Alternatively, "Star Trek" changed pieces of canon, but in such a way that it was believable and allowed us to still hold to the canon of the previous movies. So the moral of the story is that audiences are accepting of remakes so long as they don't negatively affect the canon that's been put into place.

[@CoffeeEd87]

You should make a video about Autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR). That’s a really interesting topic.

[@sleevesoco]

Hey This Exists you guys should educate everyone on the awesomeness of darkwave/dreamwave seeing how you guys did a vaporwave video it could make for a good follow up.

[@thisexists]

Hayden White Good idea!

[@kingemocut]

heres one for you, how about fan made movies of videogames compared to viedogames themselves, such as MGS:Philanthropy.

[@thisexists]

kingemocut Definitely needs its own video.

[@kingemocut]

This Exists senpai noticed me :{3

[@jboyer7598]

not technically a movie but half-life, black mesa project is an amazing example of a fan remake

[@LyreLyrePOF]

I love fan remakes. Even the bad ones make me feel joy seeing these fans have such a love for some piece of art or some genre.

[@SoullessGingerFreak]

Remake parody of Malon from Ocarina of Time in "Swamp Hylia" Malon makes it rain at Swamp Hylia Any Legend of Zelda fans in the house?

[@JamesUsill1]

Can You Make a Movie So Bad It's Good On Purpose? | Idea Channel | PBS Digital Studios related

[@thisexists]

***** Yes!

[@Castlefortress]

When it comes to fan remakes in general about movies and such I dont really like them, but also respect the amount of time and effort the creators put into them. The one kind of fan remakes I do like, however, are the Brony community's fan remakes. If you go looking for them there are hundreds of them, all over the internet, and the most rediculous part is that they are sometimes better quality than the origional show itself. If anything, they are a better quality genre of fan remakes than the many movie fan remakes. What baffles me is that you didnt touch on this aspect of fan remakes at all and only talked about movie fan remakes. I'm slightly disappointed that you didnt look into this aspect of fan remakes or even consider acknowlegeing them :( I must admit that I am biased towards them because I myself am a brony, but I would love to hear your opinion on the matter!

[@LWolf12]

I didn't know the community had remakes. I know they had parodies, abridged series, and fan projects like Double Rainboom, Fall of the Crystal Empire and Snowdrop though.

[@thisexists]

The Gr8 CastleFrt128 Thought about branching out into other media like video games, but felt like the episode worked as a stand-alone about film.

[@kylerosa4369]

I've always thought that fans of a series are the only ones who should be making remakes. Give them a budget and complete creative freedom and watch the fireworks.

[@SBXIII]

Do video game remakes count? Because Mario 64 has a fantastic enhanced remake by Nintendo themselves, plus there was that one straightforward fan remake which people loved that got canned thanks to Nintendo.

[@f0rm0r]

no, I don't think so. most video game remakes are awesome. same with TV shows.

[@notsosmartguy6254]

Nah what about the 80's fly and the thing? Those are kick ass remakes.

[@thisexists]

Exceptions that prove the rule, my friend. Because yes, both are very the best.

[@jsc315]

I love the original of those but I do agree the remakes are much better. The Blob may be the best example I can think of where the original is a excellent fun movie the remakes from the 80s puts a new spin on it and makes it a completely different experience.

[@OtakuPunkaFASSIECLAN]

Not only that but we have to consider the bias of fans. Nostalgia can be an enemy sometimes. After all, some films speak too much to the audience from that time or era rather than staying topical and current. I'll emit that I still haven't seen the Robocop remake; but a lot of my friends around my age demo have said they liked it; and I'm sorry to say but I find the original version too dumb and not as entertaining as say Total Recall's original version. Also, it's not like Entertainment Industry made the first original films for just creative purposes; the originals were made for profit too. In the end, we all have to remember one word; and that word is Subjectivity.

[@zirx]

i don't think fan remakes are that great because some times i feel like they just decide to add stuff they would want to see in the movie, show, book what ever they are remaking

[@jsc315]

While people say remakes are horrible and a new fad in Hollywood to just make a quick dollar. Remakes have been around for around as long as film has been a thing. It's just we see more of them now because more movies are being made. Now while you can argue that they may not be good or lesser quality of the original, that's a whole other debate. Wikipedia alone lists a good number of remakes and while it's not complete in the least bit, its a good sample size of how many remakes there really are out there and that they have been going on for a lot longer then most of us realize. bit.ly/RemakesA-M bit.ly/RemakesN-Z

[@iheartjackieyes]

I don't think ALL Hollywood remakes are bad. The newer Freaky Friday and the Parent Trap are two I can think of off my head. I enjoyed them much better than the originals. (EDIT: Totally just came into my head: 1986 The Fly better than 1956 The Fly.) I also wonder if you're considering reboots (The Dark Knight, The Amazing Spider Man, Wolverine, Superman, etc.) or novels that have made multiple movies made of them (Lord of the Rings, I Am Legend, Dracula, Frankenstein, Shakespeare’s works, Oscar Wilde’s work, etc.) or just movies that began as movies? Or are those just a whole other can of worms? What about spoof movies like Young Frankenstein or those Family Guy Star War specials? Both commentaries showed that Mel Brooks and Seth MacFarlane really loved the source materials enough to make the spoofs in the first place. Would those count as fan or Hollywood remakes or both if they are counted at all?

[@thisexists]

JackieGoOutside I think reboots, new adaptations, and parodies all exist in their own distinct arenas. You'd be hard-pressed to compare Omega Man to I Am Legend. And yes, Cronenberg's Fly is the greaaaaatest.

[@iheartjackieyes]

This Exists Okay, then 7 times out of 10, remakes are shameless cash in, bent on taking advantage of nostalgia or whatever current trend is in right now; sometimes they're bad, sometimes they're not. (Robocop [80s nostalgia], You Got Mail [email and online dating], The Wolfman [Twilight], Godzilla [Pacific Rim].) The 2 out of 10, it's really is made with love, but isn't better and sometimes really bad. (Psycho [shot for shot remake of Psycho is color; yawn], A Nightmare on Elm Street [forgot they even remade that, that's how forgettable it is], most movies by Rob Zombie [the Halloween remake we never needed nor asked for], The Omen [see Psycho].) Then there's the 1 out of 10, it's something so amazing that it even surpasses the original. (The Fly [as it's been mentioned], Little Shop of Horrors [musicals based on movies turned into movies themselves count right?], Scarface [has anyone seen the '32 orignal? I never even knew there WAS an original.]) So while the bad and cash-ins outnumber the good, the good turns out REALLY good, making not ALL Hollywood remakes bad. However, many of the good Hollywood remakes are made by fans of the original, making fan remakes really the only ones worth watching; but unlike Hollywood remakes, low budget fan remakes don't necessarily improve on the original, but instead make the original better by showing how much love it has generated, despite what flaws it could have...if that makes sense.

[@RMarsupial]

JackieGoOutside Just want to point out that the '32 Scarface is often considered a classic. It's by no means little-known amongst cinema enthusiasts (though I haven't seen it since I'm plebeian scum).

[@RMarsupial]

JackieGoOutside I REALLY do not agree with you here. There are BUTT TONS of films from the '30s and '40s that aren't classics. You just never hear about them because everyone has forgotten about them. Sure, maybe not *every* 'classic' holds up so well to criticism, but they're usually a cut above.

[@RMarsupial]

JackieGoOutside Oh man the classic Internet problem lol. OK, makes sense now!

[@LeslieMorris]

Original films are made for no other reason to make money off a proven concept. Aliens was made because sci-fi was in fashion. Star Wars was almost NOT made because sci-fi wasn't. I don't think that matters at all as long as talented people are involved. Hitchcock remade films, heck, even Shakespeare reused common stories. There are a bunch of great remakes because at their core they're great films.

[@gregoryjclark81]

Three names: Cecil Blount DeMille. Three words: The Ten Commandments. The 1956 (partial) remake was incredible and way better than the 1923 silent version. Chuck Heston and Yul Brynner??? Hell yes!!!!

[@summerweendream9706]

a very potter musical seems a bit like this and also power/rangers unauthorized is an amazing fan movie

[@supershooters12321]

One thing, im not sure it completely relates to this: spoofs. Not fan made ones, hollywood spoofs like Spaceballs which parodied Star Wars... Theyre kind of the only good Hollywood "remakes".

[@thisexists]

Josh_Is_My_Name0805 Love spoofs. Love Spaceballs.

[@TheSecretProvider]

Honestly I think John Carpenter's the Thing is the ultimate remake. So fucking scary. Took the original story to the next level.

[@thisexists]

TheSecretProvider Greatest ever.

[@giliansterckx]

I do not think remakes are ALWAYS bad. They can also help improve on the quality of past movies and even spark a new generation of fans. However, you need to be carefull about WHAT you want to remake. Don't remake Star Wars: A New Hope, because even though that movie is already ancient, It's story, genius and feel still hold up to movies today well enough to be watchable. But if somebody would, for example, remake the wizard of oz, it would be a great way to show children this beautiful tale in a new, modern and updated way.

[@mierkov5204]

Also another reason why fan remakes > Hollywood remakes is that fan films are not Canon and don't establish anything new/destroy it. So no worries there.

[@bobocop777]

You have a picture of L. Ron Hubbard in the background.

[@thisexists]

bobocop777 Oh yeah. Wall is loaded with references to old episodes.

[@SlyHikari03]

I loved empire/Star Wars uncut. Also, Swedes are classic, I love low budget remakes, it’s like recording with crappy equipment (aka black metal/punk)

[@joshuamagee5505]

What about pokemon? Fan remakes of the earlier games (Hacked versions and all that jazz) struggle to get nearly as popular as the company's remakes (FireRed, SoulSilver etc.)

[@glknight1813]

Remakes are for everybody, but I don't think fan remakes are the only *true* remakes. Hollywood has a *long* history with them, with films like Maltese Falcon (considered one of the best Noir films Hollywood has produced), and John Carpenter's the Thing (written off as an overtly gross remake, that people realized was actually a phenomenal film and is now considered one of the best horror films of all time). In all honesty, it's a matter of perspective and motivation. Perspective, in that it's the ingenuity and availability of resources to make something, and motivation being that spark that captures their attention and drives them to make it. But if we could get a proper remake of Dune, that'd be great...

[@thisexists]

GL Knight I don't want to freak you out but I was watching Dune when I read this comment.

[@TheRougeItaly]

hey what about fan movies. Original movies by fans in the same universe. there are so many for star wars

[@olivertomolillo3099]

a big hollywood company should hire a fan to make a remake or more then one fan that would be amazing

[@EverythingisGoodieBud]

Dude, I love lots of remakes, (not looking at you, Crystal Skull!) especially the Batman ones. And, to be honest, really don't enjoy fan made ones. Guess there will always be a different of opinions. Anyways, interesting episode, even though I disagree.

[@19KRIZZ91]

there should be a whole series just about wierd genres. would be fun i guess. Anyone doing this?

[@juandiegoarango2309]

Remember good remakes like de coen brothers version of True Grit, not all remakes are made with the sole purpose of making money some may what to observe the material from a diverse and the even can be superior to the original ones

[@thisexists]

juan arango For sure - I'd argue that those exceptions mostly prove the rule (ie. the Thing, the Fly).

[@95keat]

You didn't even give a brief description about vapor wave except it had political undertone. And all you said about the other one was it was inspired by a tweet.

[@thisexists]

95keat ... and that it slows down / remixes smooth jazz / muzak / etc. That's basically it.

[@95keat]

This Exists well alright then

[@mathieuleader8601]

Fan remakes are good because fans know their material but if you are to make a great remake you need to add on untouched areas of lore or add fanon theories in some instances

[@spikejoseph5482]

There are some excellent remakes, has no one seen John Carpenter's "The Thing" or the The Wizard of Oz was a remake also!

[@cujokillz666]

Joker rising, while not a remake of anything is an excellent fan made movie.

[@seirramoon388]

as a brony i shall utter 3 words thats a fan remake of the mlp fim show friendship is witchcraft, wich is still going with the tv show

[@ivan9066]

I feel that fan remakes are more pointles than reboots or big buget pg-13 remakes. I don't understand why anybody would re-make a culture hit,with a bugget of $12 and a ham sandwich.Yeah,i've heard that people love a film so much,that they want to make it, but i say that that is the dumbest thing you can ever do with your time and money. If you're gonna make a film,make it original taking influense of the films you love,or at least a spoof.

[@howarthe1]

I want to say that some remakes are great, but I can't think of a single one. I almost said The Time Machine because that is a great story, and I think modern film making could give it a nice update, but the remake was all visuals and no heart. The remakes that are annoying me right now are the Moses story remakes. Cecil B. DeMille did that story so well. Who are all these film makers who think they can do it better? If you want to tell the story about an ancient Hebrew in ancient Egypt, how about telling the sooty of Joseph? Thats a great story! And Joseph and His Amazing Technicolor Dream Coat has not done it justice.

[@onpartybusiness8]

Do the book club!

[@opticrewind2010]

What a about fan remakes for video game or quick scope simulated

[@Maximus0451]

Half-Life: Source was just a basic port, but Black Mesa is an (almost) fully fledged remake.

[@TechTehScience]

I would say that of course fan remake's aren't the only good ones. Even remakes that are just made to grab money can actually be good. But of course the most important seems to be love and dedication to the craft. A good example of a commercial remake which at the same time had that love and dedication would be John Carpenter's The Thing.

[@HaranYakir]

Hey! Another remake of Idea Channel! :)

[@thisexists]

***** Only steal from the best.

[@lildrugboichigga2658]

Did you know Extratone existed? It's skrillex but such wow much fucked up. (bpm speaking)

[@RMarsupial]

No. How about: Sorcerer. Ben-Hur. Cleopatra. Ocean's 11. The Departed. Cape Fear. The Thing (John Carpenter's). Yurusarezaru mono (Unforgiven). Zatoichi (2003). Twelve Monkeys (kinda). Scarface. The Fly. Nosferatu the Vampyre. Funny Games. Casino Royale (kinda). Ali: Fear Eats the Soul. True Grit. See, this is kind of another click-baitish title... does anyone really think there are NO good remakes? You didn't even address non-fan remakes in this video... the real point is that fan-remakes are sometimes good, not that no other remakes are good at all...