Finding Our Way Back: Healing From Self-Betrayal

[@elizabethmansfield3609]

The term self-betrayal seems like a criminal act but small children who end up fragmented from repeated dissociation in order to survive, they are not criminals. And it can take years, and a rare therapist willing to accept multiple dissociation as a fact, a reality, to regain any semblance of coherence let alone a sense of authenticity.

[@oddanneout]

@@elizabethmansfield3609 I think that is a self-preservation, to split at a time when the trauma can not be fully understood. Does Self-betrayal start when Agency has or should have kicked in (with the ability to make independent life choices)? It’s an interesting point that you bring up! Thank you!

[@christophertodd1980]

This was so apt. I had often felt “self sabotage” didn’t quite go far enough in describing how I feel about some of the actions I’ve taken in the past. A succession of self betrayals between 2020 to 2022 have left me shocked and horrified, indeed, traumatised by my own actions against my values as a father, as a son and as a partner. If I had known my values, standing strong and conscious in them would’ve prevented all of these events from happening. But as was said, it’s only by suffering that we become conscious.

[@mysticgardener2704]

This is what I’ve been going through but wasn’t able to see it. I am complicit in so many ways due to fear of being exiled. Saving this to listen to again We all have an appoint-ment with ourselves and most of us never show up for it -James Hollis

[@subakdosh2382]

The magic of spiritual camaraderie is so palpable with your trinity of Jungian Presence! ♥️

[@patriciaedlr]

Congratulations on the book! It’s now on my wishlist ❤ I will listen to the podcast again because I still can’t grasp the difference between self betrayal and self sabotage.

[@stttellsme]

So good to see/hear you 3! A true gift!!!! Thank you indeed for this sharing here 🙏🧙

[@trinisweetzz]

Listening to Lisa read fairytales is always so soothing lol

[@ellensherfey4061]

Thank you for the rich expansions of principles (like a blown up diagram) from your interesting examples.

[@bethflynn5342]

Deb was on FIRE 🔥 in this one. Very helpful. Very inspiring.

[@christinegunter2766]

I really appreciate all of your insights

[@johnthomas753]

Suffering brings awareness. Not being true to ourselves (self betrayal) is part of the human condition that often leads to resentment once the betrayal is recognized. Reconizing the Shadow/the "why" you did this self-betrayal and forgiving yourself is the only remedy i can think of...

[@Justinehumanity]

This was so fascinating to listen to and immediately applicable to my personal life. 🙏 I also enjoyed how you incorporated The Master & His Emissary into your discussion as I have found Iain McGilchrist’s work to be transformative.

[@blueseaswimmer1]

incredible ; i related so much to the power drive as a source of self betrayal - listening to this unraveling of the story itself felt like i was literally in the oven in conversation with myself thank you for so much insight throughout... and the killing of the magic 😢- so sad and true - (good thing that magic never really dies tho )

[@oddanneout]

Stunning. 🙏🏼

[@NCVII22]

In the lion king. Simba loses his identity and values in his endeavours with Timon and pumba ,only for rafiki to return him to his true essence,a King. His indulgence set him apart from responsibility(Response ability)

[@idontknowyetwhoiam]

Lisa looks SO good.

[@AmberExista]

I am reading your book and recently I had a dream that I was playing with two healthy parrots but at the bottom of the cage was Miki, the parrot I raised from an egg when I was 10, and she was dead, decapitated. I knew it was from neglect that she ended up that way. I learned from your book to pay attention to the emotion in the dream and it surprised me that I was not all that shocked or upset in the dream. In real life if that would have happened I would be horrified beyond imagination. I loved that bird so much, still thinking of her 17 years after her death. So I was wondering in what way am I not attending to my most precious values and not just that but I don't even notice it, distracted by other things, the two birds. Then a few nights later I dream that I am living with a man, a roommate, and due to some negligence on his side my two parrots (other parrots I loved from my past) escaped out the window. I shouted after one of them and managed to make her come back to me and then I confronted the roommate that he didn't even try to get the parrots back, to which he replied in a non-affected tone that he did not realise it matters so much to me. So my unconscious told me what part of me makes me neglect my soul, it's the masculine.. my latest emotional involvement with work and other things. The shocking imagery from my unconscious puts me on the right path. So I was happy to see this last video. Perfectly fitting with my latest train of thought.

[@SleepyLeeeee]

Thank you for the video.

[@SpiritualEvolution14]

I sort of experience this more consciously even. Which is almost a worst experience then being able to point at being taken away into something. But it may be a similar thing.

[@bonniesnowqueen7321]

I think of Jimmy Stewart's character in "It's a Wonderful Life" who gives up his dream of travel and adventure to form a family with Donna Reed. He betrays himself but is portrayed as a hero for doing it, in the name of family and responsibility. But to me he is a tragic figure.

[@normanleach5427]

...before watching this, my first thought has to do with the relinquishing of 'that' and choosing 'this'...and already there's 'lumper' and 'splitter' and the distinctions made between self-sabotage and self-betrayal. Nice... Now on to the blame game and the essentials of self-reliance...on Thanksgiving morning...

[@Iyad46gamer]

Have you recorded anything about false guilt? From childhood trauma?

[@ellensherfey4061]

Were the Brothers Grimm “psychologists”?

[@alanlongval9412]

An imaciated kitten is longterm . Strawman thinking is part and parcel of syndrome

[@AquariusGate]

There is a conditionality in terms like sabotage, betrayal, or "something darker". So, whatever else you 3 are speaking about it is conditioning and conditioning effects. There is a suggestion of deep manipulative aspects you don't seem to fully appreciate...in a positive light. Do you know why we are easily conditioned and why conditioning is a deeply embodied process of awareness? It is the only way a person can mirror information patterns and learn from experience. Listeners/viewers, never be told of bad habits and faults by an expert. They're all statistically average, like most of their ideas. Common conventions are the curse of independent thought of expressions. Cultural conditioning is the tyranny that needs escaping, ideas of lack, want, and need.