Thoma: he protecc, he attacc, and he make you a snacc! Genshin character review

[@IfUSeekAndy]

I’ve been contemplating on building my Thoma. He’s been benched and collecting dust since I got him. This video now confirms that I should!

[@saurusness]

wohoo! 🥰

[@Black_Frost212]

Me and you are in the same boat and Thoma came out, but I did not get Hu Tao lol for a long while I use him with my Ayato since they honestly did amazing together Ayato attacked fast enough for his shielding first max friendship and lvl’d character to

[@camilovonhresvelg3262]

I recently finished building Thoma and I dont regret it! Hes very good for burgeon/burning teams. I recommend him for a Wriothesly melt burn comp where he can reapply pyro very well and protect Wrio from self affliceted burn dmg (yes attacking burned enemies hurt ur own character if u are too close to them...)

[@saurusness]

yess very good with wrio in burn melt, and absolutley brilliant for burgeon!

[@camilovonhresvelg3262]

@@saurusness ur videos are always so relaxing and informative. I love how u talk about less talked about topics/characters! I'm looking forward to the next one ❤️

[@saurusness]

@@camilovonhresvelg3262 thank you so much 💜

[@dorin497]

even in lore he is underrated. recent events describe the puppy cooperation between the yashiro commission and watatsumi, and Thoma is the one doing all the coordination as a "fixer". that's the reason he was chose as 100th vision holder to get the vision taken.

[@elysianemily]

"he knits sweaters for puppies" is all that needs to be said, truly

[@anotherdodo1428]

I really liked that you gave a nice, short summary of his kit, gave some insight into his strengths and weaknesses without either over- or underselling his worth. That's rare nowadays and I really appreciate that. Still, I don't think he's great as of now - he has some niche cases (which is good - if these characters dominate that niche), but in general, he's only bringing a (very sturdy) shield and some pyro application. While that makes him great in teams that utilise Burning and Burgeon, both of these reactions are as of now quite weak. That in itself shouldn't discourage anyone from playing him - remember: the Abyss does not give a lot of Primogems and it is by no means mandatory to do. As to Burning... using Thoma, Nahida, Yao Yao and Sucrise proved to be quite fun, since the damage from Burning is soaked by Thoma's shield and Sucrose really wants to use Normal Attacks in this team

[@raptori]

Shielders are underrated in general, and Thoma more than most!

[@theclassiestcass]

i never used shields until i got layla and it was an absolute LIFE changer. now that i have zhongli, he's on a lot of my teams now too!

[@raptori]

@@theclassiestcass Pretty much the same here! I even had Zhongli before I got Layla, and still never used him... 😂

[@theclassiestcass]

@@raptori 😂 i used my layla artefacts for zhongli, i should probably farm the millelith domain some more 😅

[@raptori]

​@@theclassiestcass Wow, imagine being so rude to poor Layla!!!!

[@saurusness]

yeah and it's funny because i practically never used shielders in my first like 6 months of playing maybe, and even after that very very rarely with squishy DPSs, but there's have been more and more scenarios/teams where shielder is sucha godsend even if you know hwo to dodge!

[@lnsflare1]

I mean, being the fixer for the Kamusato Clan is a pretty ridiculously high level position in Inazuman society, and he was shown tossing around tons of money and having a lot of soft political power due to his position, connections, and general charm.

[@xanaviii]

My favorite Thoma team is actually with Nahida, Xingqiu, and Kuki. Both Kuki and Thoma are built full EM, so it ends up being a hybrid burgeon/hyper bloom team. And electro can actually help extend dendro aura/prevent burning, which is why characters like Fischl can be the 4th slot for better ST damage. It's probably overall still less efficient to have two EM triggers, but I've found the redundancy nice actually. Sometimes positioning means Thoma misses hitting a seed, but then Kuki will hit it or vice versa. And it also makes the team flexible for elemental checks--i dont always have to use both of them, i can decide to just do 1 or the other as necessary. And then XQ dmg reduction, Thoma shields, and Kuki heals make it incredibly comfortable.

[@saurusness]

I've actually played the exact same team a few times and agree it's great haha! 😁

[@milosantos28]

I’ve been a Thoma fan since I saw him in the archon quest. I also loved how beautiful his normal attack animations are. The biggest hurdle Thoma really had, which he has in common with other shielders, is the existence of Zhongli. Geo daddy is just too good at low investment that all other shielders look weak. Which I assume is why future shielders had to have something else to offer like effective off field elemental application (Thoma, Layla, Kirara) in order to make up what they may lack in shield strength. But despite that I wanted to make Thoma work, but due to lack of my experience and just knowledge of the game at the time, I couldn’t. 🥲 My boy was left gathering dust while I went and built my Ayaka, Xiao and Yelan. Fortunately dendro came along and definitely saved Thoma for me. To me, burgeon is great because even dumb players like me can easily build Thoma as a burgeon trigger. I always have him at the back of my mind now just in case I ever need to play burgeon or whenever I feel like playing him. I’m pretty satisfied with my burgeon build plus I get to play him on field so it’s mostly a win for me. ❤

[@saurusness]

the fact that he gets to be on field is definitely the best part 😊 No but seriously i think he might have THE most beautiful and fluid NA nimations in the game!

[@guiscardaddams8745]

Oh boy this brings back old memories.. I got C1 yae Miko while trying to get Thoma's constellations 😂 (I didn't even want her, but my noob arse didn't know better at the time)

[@theclassiestcass]

omg i know that feeling LOL

[@saurusness]

i think it's a rite of passage to chase a 4 star and get cons for 5 stars you don't care about LOL

[@forfuchsake2254]

Same with when he first came out. Now I got a C1 Hu Tao

[@diane090397]

built him as my 2nd shielder after Zhongli since 2.x patch (started playing during the Lantern rite during Shenhe's first banner..) went after his cons and he had saved my team in the abyss (was really amazed that he tanks enemies quite well). I benched Thoma after I got Neuv and I have a dedicated team for him until I pulled for Arlecchino... very happy to be able to use him again now as a shielder and 2nd pyro for my Arle team ^_^

[@tim-myton6361]

I’ve been building my Thoma and I just got his C6 today. This video couldn’t have been timed better. Also what teams are you planning on using him in. My plan was to swap between Clorinde overload and Nahida burgeon.

[@raptori]

Oooh congrats! His C6 is a nice boost 😁

[@tim-myton6361]

@@raptorithanks.

[@saurusness]

it was fate! 😁 The c6 na buff really is a nice one!

[@chaosunraveled]

Do I love my c6 Thoma? Yes Will I ever build him? Nahhhhhh FIRST & I love yooouwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwu ❤❤❤

[@saurusness]

i-- 🫨 Never say never!!!!!! Your hard shell will break eventually just look at him 🥰

[@chaosunraveled]

@@saurusness it's not a hard shell so much as laziness🤣😂

[@saurusness]

@@chaosunraveled lfmao well one day you'll find yourself bored and int he mood for a new project and thoma will be there ready and waiting patiently💜

[@theclassiestcass]

my unbuilt thoma watching this in the corner, not even on my to build list atm: 😮‍💨 in all seriousness though, thank you for another amazing character review!! i appreciate all the time and dedication you put into these. i love these ones in particular because i can load em up and learn all i need to know in one helpful video!!! your attention to detail is so thorough and is genuinely appreciated!! i've always loved thoma's character but after watching this, it's probably time to add him to my build list 🧐once again, thank you for the extremely well done video and i cant wait to see what you come out with next!!! 😍

[@raptori]

Poor Thoma, though I guess it means he has more time to knit... 🤔

[@theclassiestcass]

@@raptori more time to make snaccs 😎

[@raptori]

@@theclassiestcass Even better 😱

[@saurusness]

he wuld love to join your clorinde in overload you know 😎

[@theclassiestcass]

@@saurusness

[@forfuchsake2254]

I tripple crowned my C6 Thoma, friendship level 10 about 2 years ago and I regret nothing :)

[@seiyuokamihimura5082]

C6 maxed thoma ❤🎉🎉🎉

[@treeleven3316]

My thoma is a hybrid between the two archetypes. He’s all HP mainstats with lots of ER substats w/ the Fontaine craftable weapon but his artifact set is the flower of paradise lost and he’s sitting on 200 EM from substats. I like this build because it fits all situations and it really highlights this specific team I like. It’s essentially a reverse-vape/burning/burngeon team with yelan/nahida/kazuha/thoma. The trick is to skill with nahida and thoma then burst with kazuha. This makes pyro swirls and burning reaction on enemies. Then when yelan comes in, her skill with have huge nukes from the reverse-vape, but with her normal attacks she can apply quick hydro and create cores which kazuha’s EM will normally proc the burngeon or sometimes thoma if you’re closer, but essentially I build thoma for hp so it’s mainly to build up stacks to protect from burngeons and apply pyro. I also use prototype amber on nahida to heal and give energy to team and proc the Fontaine spear. Looking forward to a future unit that will focus on burning reactions, perhaps my team can get an upgrade.

[@raptori]

Ooh that's a really interesting team - smart to use EM Kazu as the burgeon trigger 🤔

[@bushy9780]

90 pulls and not one single Thoma...Guess I'll just play Dehya then...

[@saurusness]

GAHH the pain of trying to get 4 stars 😩

[@kokoro7996]

I once took an online quiz to see who my Genshin husband is, and I got Thoma!

[@Evitzeoshowerthoughts]

I'm just saying but kuki gets healing when hyperbloom does no aoe damage and thoma gets a stunted shield because he needs hp for it for burgeon which has aoe.. also his attack ascension bruh...kuki was made for hyperbloom, thoma was accidentally made for burgeon I feel. Well I guess in his shielder role healer spot is filled because of bennett. Honestly bennet warps the game around him.... at least who get cherveuse now/. Glad that mihoyoverse has made his kit useful now with the large amount of na focus dps coming out now. I don't have wanderer but arlechinno and clorinde overload appreciate him a ton

[@alexanderluna4598]

I have my thoma triple 9 talents with r2 staff of homa. I really want to pull for more constellations but i hear clorinde is mid so i dont want to waste my pity. I build him as a sub dps/shielder with crit and hp stats.

[@saurusness]

Heck yeeah staff of homa thoma! imo clorinde is very good! I think people underestimate her because she's one of those DPSs who do multiple instaces of smaller damage in quick succession, as opposed to slightly slower bigger hits! Her quicken and quickbloom teams are incredibly strong, and if you're lucky enough to have chevreuse the overload feels pretty great too (with thoma of course heh 😉)

[@RwnEsper]

Thanks for this. I just got Clorinde and Sethos, currently grinding out their friendship but starting to think about actual teams for them. Do you think C2 Chevreuse is enough to make an Overload comp work with Clorinde, Fischl, and Thoma?

[@raptori]

I've only got C0 Chevy (Hoyo not putting her on either Arle or Clorinde's banners is an absolute joke) and her teams with those two are pretty awesome already! I might not use them in the abyss unless overload is particularly strong against the enemy line-up, but pretty sure it could 36* depending on the enemies!

[@saurusness]

YEs very much so! My own chevreuse is only C0 and that exact comp is brilliant!

[@Theachen7]

I love Thoma ❤ It took me ages to build him as i got him on my first banner while I was still in Mondstadt (and it took me ages to get to inazuma 😅). I only wish he’d work with my Lyney so I could swap Zhongli for him. But my yoimiya loves him 😊

[@saurusness]

I know the fat that he doens't wor with lyney is really upsetting ngl 😩

[@Theachen7]

@@saurusness It would have been so perfect 😭 specially for someone like me who doesn’t have c4 yanfei. I wonder how i would keep lyney from getting disrupted if i didn’t have zhongli? Both layla and diona would interfer with his reacions (or lack of) i guess?

[@saurusness]

@@Theachen7 yeah neither are really ideal for him, so zhongli and c4 tankfei reallya re the best choices atm :/ He has his taunts but ngl without a shield the likelyhood of being interrupted is just too annoyingly great lol

[@Theachen7]

@@saurusness Definitely! I’ve tried a little bit with Dehya to see if she could be enough of an interruption resistance (so that i could have a slot of kazuha), but zhongli’s just more comfy

[@shelfyre3504]

Thoma

[@saurusness]

yay i'm glad! 😁🩷

[@SquishyFletcher]

I managed to get Thoma to C6 on Clorinde's banner, which was great, because I was planning on using him in my Cloreuse Overload team, and he has been invaluable for protecting Clorinde as she overloads everything she shoots at, and thanks to Chevreuse (and a second electro), he is easily keeping his energy levels up. I need to work on building his artifacts and talents, but he's already great in the team.

[@inspectorwhoreacts]

He also has one of the most fire musical themes!

[@saurusness]

YES indeed he does! 😁

[@beastmaster6960]

Hoyo is weird, they make some canon charecters so lame and then they announced sudden non canon charecters and baam! They're like best charecters you should have For an example Thoma , dehya

[@domm.4676]

Hi, I’m a Thoma main, enjoyer, haver, C6er, and wanna build him perfectly, since I’ve kinda neglected him a little. I’ve come across this video, and you’ve been super chill and helpful. Would you please be able to share those artifact sets or builds for on-field DPS Thoma, since I’ve got ample motivation to spend loads of resin on my hubby.

[@raptori]

Ooh interesting question! I've never tried DPS Thoma, but I'd guess he would probably be best in general with 4p Crimson Witch, since it'd be the best all-round option for a pyro DPS. 4p Shimenawa might work, but you'd likely be giving up on a large portion of his shield's remaining strength so not sure it'd be worth it. But I'm pretty sure the strongest for Thoma would be him with 4p Marechaussee Hunter, as long as he's paired with Furina. Furina, Charlotte, C6 Bennett, Thoma sounds actually pretty cool and should work well. Furina for her ridiculously strong buff, Charlotte for team-wide healing, and the pair of them applying hydro/cryo for Thoma to react with. Bennett mostly for his buffs and his pyro infusion from C6, though his healing would also help out with Furina! I'm tempted to try it..... 👀

[@domm.4676]

@@raptori that sounds like a super fun team comp hmmmmm…I gotta build Bennett…I’m one of those people that has long since played my faves over meta and I had to take a loooooooong break and so I never built the likes of Bennett, Xingqiu or even my C2 Kazuha, but tbh they’d work well with Thoma too. My weird main team for everything right now is Furina, Yelan, Kuki, and Thoma. I don’t have Charlotte just yet though.

[@raptori]

​@@domm.4676 Nice, definitely the best way to play! I'm kinda sorta the same, only difference is that I've built pretty much everyone (about 60 fully built characters currently), so that I can just run around trying out fun unusual teams and ignore the meta completely 😂 That team does sound interesting, definitely could do with a more team-wide healer though 🤔Maybe Jean if you happen to have her built? Definitely worth building your Benny if you wanna play Thoma - assuming you've got his C6 it'd be a massive difference 😁

[@chrysobear]

10:19 May I know why Tighnari isn't listed among these options? Isn't he also Dendro >< sorry I'm still learning.

[@raptori]

He'd juuust about work I think - the big downside is that he uses charged attacks rather than normal attacks, so he won't trigger Thoma's pyro application. You'd need to swap him in and out as quickly as possible, and use someone else as the on-field driver. And because of that, I'm not sure whether the dendro application would be consistent enough to keep creating dendro cores unless you brought a second dendro character... worth trying though to see if it'd work!

[@chrysobear]

@@raptori thank you~! I tried changing to Collei and I see the difference immediately. Much better! I have been using Tighnari all this time since he's the only dendro I have levelled up 😭

[@raptori]

@@chrysobear Nice, glad that helped! 😁Yeah it's tough to put together teams which feel right sometimes - if your characters aren't quite suited to the roles you need then it ends up feeling really awkward!

[@creativemind2942]

I need my Candace c6'ed ASAP! (Thoma would be good with her and I already have ky c2 triple crowned EM Nahida)

[@danaugust993]

I also love his animations too. They go all out with just about all the polearm animations. On paper his burst just does everything without it being an infusion. But I guess as a 4-star he has to be a bit weak in other areas.

[@katierat]

I just recently built my Thoma to try out in an Abyss team, but having pulled Arle and Cholrinde I may tweak his build a bit. This video also really helped me think about his rotations and how to play him better. Thanks for all your amazing advice as always!!! ps Best title bye far

[@saurusness]

hahah tysm 🥰

[@tamia4907]

i was so happy to see him in recent test run teams with arlecchino and clorinde!

[@daniilmakhinov5247]

💙💙💙💙