Thomas Tuchel TO LEAVE Bayern Munich: Wouldn't be a good move for him to stay - Burley | ESPN FC

The ESPN FC panel of Shaka Hislop, Archie Rhind-Tutt, Craig Burley and Stewart Robson react to Thomas Tuchel leaving Bayern Munich despite talks of him staying.
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[@user-st3vd5bf6g]

They had a great coach in Hansi Flick. Blame Hasan Salihamidzic and Uli Hoeness for the start of this mess. It all started there. I say Thomas Muller for manager.

[@mickzed6393]

Flick always wanted to manage die manshaft and the opportunity arrived. Simple as that. The other stuff is hear say and would have been worked out if so.

[@tredaviousbowser7931]

Forgot about Kahn

[@ac14cmpunk25]

Flick was terrible for Germany

[@wokeaf1337]

Thomas Muller won everything, doesnt need the money and is to smart to do it.

[@adjuru6585]

I don't understand where the perception of Hansi Flick being a great coach still comes from. He failed as a coach and in an executive role at Hoffenheim. He failed dramatically as a coach of the german national team. His success at Bayern after in the COVID-19 season relied on an unsustainable playstyle of an extreme press paired with a risky high defensive line. This worked for around three quarters of a year when Bayern came out of the covid break as an injury-free, peak conditioned physical bully that just overpowered everyone that season. But it already got exposed in the second season. Press intensity dropped dramatically, the high defensive line got exposed on a regular basis, injuries started to happen. Flick has never been a great coach under normal circumstances at club level that provided a sustainble level of play. And as soon as failure and pressure are rising he loses control in a leading role (see the Amazon series of the german national team). In my opinion he's great at two things: Firstly, creating a special team chemistry when he has a talented group. Secondly preparing a team to peak for knock-out/tournament-like short termed competitions. Like he did as an assistant coach at Germany or in Bayern's incredible run after the covid break. But he's not a great long-term coach, not good at handling pressure from the media and managing during rough times of failure. Add his tactical deficits (especially defensively) and his one-dimensionality/unability to adjust.

[@garycarey9376]

Clowns thinking Klopp would skip his break and go right to Bayern, it’s like they know absolutely nothing about the man

[@Fschalke1]

I fully agree. Considering him saying he will be never ever going to another english club other then Liverpool, but Bayern thinks they can get him after 7 years of Dortmund. They are so delusional, let alone thinking they can get him to skip his break...

[@ikusark]

Klopp is to much Dortmund. Never Bayern . Alonso is Madrid

[@Nairam10]

Klopp is will join Bayern in 2025.

[@imgettingold9407]

They were suggesting him going after a year of vacation

[@rizzorizzo2311]

This club is making Man U look totally normal and under control 🤦‍♂️

[@AkashGhorpade-dn7ig]

Uli Höness has lost it, he should just stay at home and should not interfere in club's business

[@churn_diesel]

Cole Palmer for sure. Chelsea would be battling relegation without him.

[@A_r78]

0 football knowledge

[@christianwag3015]

Just temporarily appoint any manager below average for a year then get Klopp after his sabbatical leave in 2025

[@Fschalke1]

Klopp said he will never join another english club other then Liverpool. He will not go to bayern after 7 years of Dortmund, he either goes to Dortmund as a managiral posistion or waits for 2026 to take over the german national team.

[@fotomats8651]

​@@Fschalke1He is NOT married with BVB. If not the National Team, Bayern Munich will be the perfect next step for him.

[@dead_r33d]

@@fotomats8651 you lot are funny

[@janekmundt579]

Bayern is delusional. They openly ask 4 other coaches to replace Tuchel and Hoeneß turned him into a scapegoat and still think he will stay there. The entire Management seems unable to admit mistakes, that way a club will run into situations like this one…

[@whatudoin1]

i will miss TT but i hope he learned not to join a team that is going through tough changes

[@GenZRemnant]

He learned to stay away from ungrateful clubs that come crawling back

[@mickzed6393]

Bayern in turmoil and constant injury's, especially leading up to 2nd leg CL semi, yet still manage 2nd in a strong BL and nearly make CL final. Crazy. Bayern will be fine. Drama is part of Bayern's DNA.

[@musashimiyamoto586]

Tuchel''s play style or lack of system is a joke, though.

[@paullee4634]

They finished 3RD in a league they had won for 11 consecutive seasons..trophyless for the first time in 12 years with lots of old players that still need to go - the rebuilding will take couple years

[@mickzed6393]

@@paullee4634 2nd when i posted and not that old at all, apart from Neuer/Muller. Most players mid/late 20's and talented young ones like Musiala, Tel, Pav, Stan. Just need some stability, the right coach and better luck with injury's. The forward line was decimated. Look at the starting line up last game. No Kane, Musiala,Sane, Gnabry, Kohman. Things are not as bad as it might seem.

[@subtropicalken1362]

Coaches aside Bayern needs to find a new fitness coach(es). Too many players are coming up injured. Yes some are getting older but Mueller seems to keep himself fit. When the one the treble, they were rock solid. So yes maybe Flick would be a good fit again.

[@abubakarbillale9045]

I’m happy T.t is not staying He is not good for Bayern We will find a new coach 💪🏻 MIA SAN MIA

[@chaos-fk6fs]

im a bayern supporter but we are in shambles right now not just on the pitch but more so at the management level, its the biggest change in modern times for the club and we still think we get klopp or xabi alonso in the year after the next year (but probably wont happen) so bayern has to figure themselves out before going for the next big name manager. we had 7 different managers in the last 8 years thats horrible for such a big club.

[@allanawanyo4966]

Thesw managers dont want money? I used to think it doesnt mstter getting fired doesnt the team pay you your ful contract even if thwy fire you why would they be afraid of getting fired

[@segagenesis7708]

Imagine Bayern showing the humility and humbleness to go crawling back to the Manager they never should have pushed out in the first place, the Manager who originally righted the ship: Hansi Flick........................................... BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Johnnybegood_]

Xabi will stay at Bayer and wait to coach Real in 2026

[@waqasahmad8015]

Amorin is available allegri has left juve they can try them maybe get sarri for short term

[@ektran4205]

bayern only hires people who speak german

[@bhasty1]

Go to Manchester United Tom. You will be better than ten Hag

[@amirmohamad2270]

If you are down to your 6th or 7th choice, you might as well give Tuchel a longer contract.

[@blowandchill3848]

No because his style of play is not the way Bayern are use to playing. He would have been fine with staying for a year, but not a multi year contract, which is what he wants. Especially when in 2025 Klopp and Alonso will be available.

[@amirmohamad2270]

@@blowandchill3848 So Tuchel doesn't play their style, but their 7th or 8th guy on their manager list does? I think Tuchel just asked for the kind of contract that he knew he wasn't going to get. He really wanted to, he could have stayed.

[@Fschalke1]

@@blowandchill3848 they asked Rangnik before Tuchel.... as if the way of play was the only deciding factor in this manager search. By now they asked Coaches with 4-5 compeltly different playing styles. Klopp is out off reach anyways, after him stating he will never go to another english club then liverpool, he will not go to bayern after 7 years of dortmund. And thinking they will get alonso is also a little delusional if real madrid is going to need a new manager soon.

[@Kevinluo680]

​@@blowandchill3848tuchel is the best manager by a mile that is still in bayern's grasp. aswell, by this point the players already have adapted to tuchel-ball. the team the last few months has been a much better and tactically disciplined team than in october. bringing in a subpar manager would just smudder the effort of the rebuild over the past year. the fools up top need to have more patience w managers, not just tuchel

[@salim1175]

I think people don't realize why Bayern is getting rejected. Bayern is offering a 1-year contract only, or a multi-year with zero penalty if coach is fired. Why? They want to go for Alonso or klopp next year Let's hope ESPN understand this

[@dnv1139]

Absolute shambles how this club has been handling things for the past years with this being a new low. At least when they fired Nagelsmann they had Tuchel as the replacement immediately. Now they cannot even get anyone because of Uli and Rummenigge and their huge egos

[@justinbergmans36]

Bayern finds a way to arrogantly throw away something good. Hansi flick was great and they didn’t want him

[@Fschalke1]

Flick, Nagelsmann and Tuchel all had the potential to start an new era, but I guess they do not want to be successful anymore

[@AkashGhorpade-dn7ig]

Clowns are running the club, what else do you expect?

[@dead_r33d]

people who still mention Klopp and jobs are funny to me

[@abduhafiz6581]

Tuchel did his mission

[@user-ux8rg9rn5g]

He should try coaching Barcelona or other team at Serie A.

[@magixenga7480]

serie isnt as attractive as it used to be

[@MrKaravaj]

Real Madrid sugardaddy of Bayern

[@MisraRup]

We wanna see Archie & Ali together in this show 😜😜

[@neilcoles1780]

WHY!? I always forward through the bits with Archie grinning and waffling like a kid making a school presentation.

[@legionnairegonk4425]

It wouldn't surprise me if Max Allegri is now approached. Only because he is a big name and free.

[@CarlZeissTotal]

This is a Win for Bayern, Tuchel isn't good enough

[@Fschalke1]

who is better and willing to come to bayern? Tuchel reunion is already the 5th confirmed choice, as if 6th choice onwards will be better in quality

[@segagenesis7708]

The problem is, when they had someone who was, they made his life difficult and disguised it with his desire to manage the German National Team.

[@sainaresh6830]

​@@segagenesis7708the one who failed against Villarreal, got trashed by Gladbach??

[@irfaddafri8217]

whoever think that we will be in a situation where no one wants to be barcelona man utd and bayern munich coach🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️😥😥😥

[@mutungiedmund2355]

😢😢😢😢 after a bad session at Bayern Munich Fc Tomas Tuchel needs to return to Chelsea Fc or Manchester United Fc 😊😊😊

[@ntokozosibanyoni1421]

😂The title and these people honestly make it seem like Bayern wants the man to stay Lol They fired him for godsakes.

[@lonelyboy1977]

I've been saying for YEARS that Thomas Tuchel is a Hans Christian Anderson fairytale. Finally, his fanboys have no choice but to acknowledge that the emperor has no clothes. 😄😆😂🤣

[@_A7Xx]

Every football fan should glory hunt a second team, my teams are Barcelona and Man City 🤗

[@escape2nirvana]

Clown

[@Hello-wy2px]

🤡🧌

[@kwykwyk8447]

They'd be wise to go after the Stuttgart coach... He's got family in the higher ups and Bayern should be a step up

[@hansmuller3604]

he knows his uncle, he happily stays at stuttgart

[@TheBhattacharya]

BAYERN has become a GREATER CIRCUS THAN "B"ANCHESTER UTD

[@esaalharbi7196]

He done a very very bad sups against real madrid He should just Go..

[@pinkfluffypandicornblub2706]

they were all injured

[@jacobreichert836]

braindead

[@Fschalke1]

Kane could only play with painkillers in the first place and his back complety closed during the game, he is medical treatment right now to get him fit somehow for the euros. He needed to be subbed he asked for the sub himself because he couldn't continue. Sane played with pain for the last months and is rarely able to play 90 minutes, Gnabry had to go off after 28 and is injured since. But you would have done better subs and played with injured players, well done sir

[@_A7Xx]

Kounde was bored of pocketing Mbappe, he had no fun in it so he tossed him to Cubarsi to have fun with the Ninja turtle

[@A_r78]

Cubarsi aka Vini’s son

[@ktom5262]

😂 Are you on drugs? PSG beat Barca 4-1, with two Mbappe goals.

[@tobaepebinuade5830]

Many people will disagree with me on this, but Thomas Tuchel isn’t an elite manager. In the last 5 seasons, he’s been to the champions league semifinals with 3 different clubs which is insane. In 2020, he took PSG to their first ever UCL final, 2021, Chelsea won the UCL 4 months after his arrival and even this year with the weakest Bayern Munich team ever, he took them to the champions league final where they almost beat Real Madrid. He has been the master of knockout football in recent years. Nobody is denying his coaching abilities but if Tuchel is an elite manager, why does he keep losing jobs whenever he’s gone, what’s going on with him. It raises questions on whether or not he’s an elite manager his inability to have longevity at a club because after he does well the honeymoon period is over when things aren’t going his way he clashes with the board and his players. He’s more of a manger who’s the solution to a team’s problems in the short term rather than a long term one. At PSG, after he finally took them to the Champions League, months later he got sacked as they believed that he wasn’t the right manager to get them all the way in the Champions League. After that he went on to win the Champions League with Chelsea and after things started so well for him, a year later he was sacked after spending so much money in that summer transfer window as he didn’t see eye to eye with Todd Boehly. It just never worked out for him at Bayern Munich as he was out of his depth there it didn’t click at all even though they got to a champions league semifinal and once again he lost another job. He was the right manager for Chelsea, but so out of his depth at Bayern Munich. A lot of people think that he’s Manchester United’s next manager after they sack Erik ten Hag at the end of the season and I could see him going there. Some see him as their savior as they have to hire him this summer, but if you’re Manchester United, again Tuchel is just a short term solution for you given his track record at other clubs. Whether it’s at Chelsea or Manchester United I hope he gets his stock up again because Thomas Tuchel is too good of a manager to consistently be losing jobs everywhere he goes.

[@thebiasedreview5432]

In a nutshell I think it's a combination of incompetent owners and Tuchel himself. I mean with PSG we all know, the owners are ridiculous. Enrique won't last in my opinion. With Chelsea, I mean Boehly was an absolute idiot to get rid of him. He would have been perfect at Chelsea. With Bayern, they were idiots to sack Nagelsmann and bring Tuchel, only to realize that their team isn't good enough and they need to spend more and reform their team. Tuchel is a very good coach, not Top 5 but a coach who can win you trophies. I'd definitely rate him over Poch, Ten Hag, Xavi, Pioli, Allegri etc.

[@haquyen219]

The crazy spending at Chelsea was not his choice, it's the owner's fault .

[@Fschalke1]

Todd boehly aked Tuchel to play with a formation with 12 players and bought players without informing Tuchel, Tuchel was not the problem at chelsea

[@sainaresh6830]

Every club that he fell out with... Had a rough patch for a long time... Dortmund regained form after a lot of time, PSG are unable to reach the CL semi final, Chelsea are in a mess, and now, Bayern are unable to find a replacement thanks to the Board...

[@ektran4205]

short term tuchel

[@sullaybjr]

Come To MU, Tuchs 😉

[@A_r78]

👳‍♂️💣

[@sainaresh6830]

Fvck no, even worse board than that of Bayern

[@tobiwan001]

Horne has to go. He is the problem.

[@lesgourlay6240]

Sounds like Man Utd 🤣

[@tobaepebinuade5830]

In my opinion, Thomas Tuchel has been so out of his depth at Bayern Munich and for both parties it’s great that he’s leaving at the end of the season. He walked into a chaotic mess that he didn’t create. In the 2022-23 season, Bayern Munich made a decision that shocked the footballing world which was sacking Julian Nagelsmann. When he was sacked, it was during a period where they were competing for 3 trophies and while the team was very inconsistent, getting rid of him was a desperation move because you wanted to win trophies and at the time Tuchel was available and you didn’t want to miss out on him again. This was the start of Bayern Munich’s decline and they’ve not recovered from this. A lot of people will bring up the fact that as terrible as they were, they won the Bundesliga when the reality is that they wouldn’t have won the league if Borussia Dortmund didn’t produce one of the biggest choke jobs I’ve ever seen how many times do I have to say that. There were already signs of chaos and an instability at this football club even last season. Bayer Leverkusen’s unbeaten run and the potential of them winning the treble it hasn’t helped, but Bayern Munich under Tuchel are much worse than they were under Nagelsmann. For the first time in 12 years, Bayern Munich finished a season without a trophy and for a club of their size it’s unacceptable their dominance in the Bundesliga finally ended and while Real Madrid are inevitable in the champions league, Tuchel is at fault for why they lost that game after being up by a goal. There was never a feeling that he was the right manager for this team and while Bayern Munich tried to convince him to stay, it’s in their best interest that he leaves the club and find a way to regain his managerial stock somewhere else whether it’s back at Chelsea or even at Manchester United. Bayern Munich now find themselves in a managerial limbo with them get to find a new manager and hopefully it does much better than Tuchel.

[@jacobreichert836]

🤡pls use brain

[@ThomasSamoth-ls8ed]

@@jacobreichert836 he's one of the few people who constantly use their brain when commenting. stop being disrespectful for no reason

[@Fschalke1]

I wouldn't give tuchel the fault on losing the real game, the squad depth was a problem the whole season, with Kane sane and Gnabry all needed to be subbed off with injuries, there wasn't really a choice but to defend the lead, which nearly worked. they had to play davies and Chupo in the front 3, thats not cl semi final quality

[@Kevinluo680]

Tuchel had no choice in the subsitutions he made in the real game with both gnabry and kane being injured. If it had been another coach like flick, we would be having an even worse season than the rebuild that tuchel has put in place. the board needs to give tuchel more time especially since nobody even remotely close to his tactical prowess wants the bayern job. Better to keep him until a decent option like alonso is avaliable

[@abduhafiz6581]

Muller neuer upamaguire must retire now

[@Kwami357]

Tuchel = Xavi 😂😂😂 They want to leave early on and now wants to stay 🙄 😂😂

[@Sadviolinsound]

He doesn't want to stay, you death or blind

[@bluenote7339]

Cue the usual anti-Tuchel propaganda. He's not the issue here. The club has been mismanaged for several years now.

[@CarlZeissTotal]

Tuchel Out

[@mutungiedmund2355]

😢😢😢😢 after a bad session at Bayern Munich Fc Tomas Tuchel needs to return to Chelsea Fc or Manchester United Fc 😊😊😊