Why You Can't Hear The Dialogue in Tenet

[@ThomasFlight]

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[@Halophage]

"Nolan, people are complaining they can't understand Bane." "I'll give them something to complain about." "What's that supposed to mean?" [inaudible]

[@88fibonaccisequence]

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[@LuisSierra42]

@@88fibonaccisequence I read this tomorrow

[@lawsen3719]

@@LuisSierra42 legend.

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

lol

[@juntongli9275]

"Nolan ,people are complaining they can't understand Bane." "I'll give them something to complain about." "What's that supposed to mean?" [inaudible]

[@crapcase3985]

"Just use subtitles if you can't hear it" Subtitles: ["Quiet talking"]

[@MikeJones-bm4wu]

**muffled noises**

[@astrooohhh]

[INAUDIBLE CHIT CHAT]

[@purvi110]

[unintelligible conversation]

[@thelittleama]

[Intelligent choice of muffling conversation because of the artistic features from Chrisopher Nolan]

[@kasperkurpershoek1937]

If this is ever the case, the writer didn’t mean for you to understand it

[@therantingboy]

That scene when the art guy is explaining the vault always seemed deliberate to me, like we're concentrating on R Pats thinking about the job and almost zoning out the detail cos he's too busy scoping the layout

[@nelgluhak6709]

in the movies, usually, a scene like that has a set up for a later pay off. it's explained how a certain alarm works, so that a character could later be seen figuring out how to avoid the alarm, and the audience would understand how it was done

[@pleaserewind295]

I thought it was going for that too, but the mix just didn't seem right for it to totally work.

[@grahamjohnson2099]

Yeah, i just re-watched the entire scene and the snippet used was just very deceptively chosen. The entire scene involves audible dialogue in the planning stages, it is only that one little bit that you can't understand simply because the focus isn't on what he is saying. I checked the subtitles, and when you couldn't hear what he was saying, it's not like there were still subtitles... it literally just said something like (Neal {robs character} focuses on the vault.) I've seen the movie twice and have had no problem with the dialogue.

[@whereami2477]

That part is blatantly implying that what the art guy is saying at those moments just aren't important, and Pattinson is more focused on the layout of the room

[@deezymoe7702]

Well thank you captain obvious 👏

[@milo5021]

I saw tenet in imax and still couldn't understand far too many important lines. And my biggest issue is that issue of not knowing whether a line is supposed to be able to be heard or not

[@termitreter6545]

Yeh, I found that confusion, even with headphones, made Tenet often sound messy and rough, rather than refined in some way Nolan intended. And its not like Nolan is creating a higher level of art by relying so muhc on music to create the feel of a scene. Seems honestly kinda lazy.

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

The scientist at the start pretty much mumbles her whole script

[@forceofnature26]

The reason Nolan was so mad about movies coming directly to streaming services was because they would have subtitles by default

[@deluulujee]

There are also many places in the world where local language subtitles are added in cinemas. I saw Tenet with subtitles in a high end theatre and had no issue with understanding dialogue. Not saying it's good or bad.

[@knghty]

just watched this on hbo (with subtitles) ;)

[@GIaucoma]

I did finally stream tenet and felt it was less then the experience I got from theatres

[@Snuggieman]

@@deluulujee I saw it in theaters the first time and at my home theater a second time and if i watch it a third i can guarantee you id pick on on lines i couldn't understand before

[@rurouni82]

I think it’s more he loves shooting in imax and 70 mm. Methods pretty much useless if only for gonna be for home viewing

[@kylev.1163]

Why couldn't Nolan just come out and say "Yo I'm sorry, I just really wanted yall to experience this fire soundtrack"

[@iPyroNigma]

"We paid millions for this music and you will HEAR IT"

[@slayagex]

I mean, he ain't lying tho. That soundtrack was fire

[@MrArtVein]

Cuz zimmer don't work like that

[@sarahzahir5582]

Well the soundtrack was indeed fire.You can't Understand the movie anyway.

[@davidlean1060]

Thank goodness Zimmer wasn't on the movie. Inception was great, but everything else he has done sounds the same. I do know a chap who went looking for composing work in Hollywood and on good authority he said Zimmer has a staff of writers. It explains the same-y-ness. All his staff are writing to a formula, more or less. The soundtrack to The Prestige was great too, so it's refreshing to hear another musical take on a Nolan film.

[@AllegoryGar]

That scene with Robert Pattinson is just beautiful, it reminds me of that feeling when you are just zoning out on something else and just slowly stop listening halfway into a conversation. It’s so good.

[@jessiejanson1528]

Yes, that usage made sense there.

[@lollycopter]

It really showed us what his character was really focusing on, which was what we were also supposed to be focusing on. As for the rest of Tenet - it was never a film that was meant to be watched only once.

[@d3l3tes00n]

Feels like my life 24/7

[@joker927]

That was an excellent use and clearly intentional. Loved it. But WHY ALL THE MASKS!

[@captainviper3888]

Yea he is not paying attention its obvious. He is focusing on alarms and exits.

[@KailoVT]

i feel like that scene where he's in the art safe room, the music overpowering the speech slowly was like showing us that whatever the guide was saying didn't matter at all, they wanted us to pay attention to the details that were shown instead of listening to what was said.

[@loganmedia4401]

Why have the dialogue at all then?

[@KailoVT]

@@loganmedia4401because without the dialogue, they can’t show us that the character isn’t paying attention to the words he’s being told. It adds to the story telling to represent what the character is thinking at that time. Without it, it wouldn’t be as obvious.

[@ariana.billett]

Exactly

[@alexisb3829]

Yeah that’s what I thought

[@JamesJansson]

I think you are right about this scene, but the counter to this point is that the whole damned film is like this.

[@frankbauerful]

Nolan is working on a years long meta project to show us the suffering of Beethoven as he gradually lost his hearing.

[@davidlean1060]

@@samanthacino It's all starting to make sense!

[@davidlean1060]

I know you mean that jokingly, but there might be something to it. I don't know who the sound editor is, or if he has an honest working relationship with Nolan, but it is not out of the question that when the sound editor tells Nolan, 'the dialogue can't be heard', Nolan just over rules him. He knows every word in the script anyway, so of course he can make out the words.

[@CraigMCox]

Haha *golf applause*

[@remasterus]

This is the most probable answer.

[@MattGarcyaDC]

lol

[@1000000man1]

In the Freeport scene, it makes perfect sense because Neil himself is Not paying full attention to what the guy is saying. He's actually casing the place in order to break in. So the dialogue fades into the background.. but then there's other scenes where that shouldn't really happen.

[@NoriMori1992]

Yes, that's one of the few Tenet scenes where it's done well. We know it's done well because it's clear you're not supposed to hear. And that's what makes all the difference: The audience knows what the creator is intending.

[@smmshoe]

The director is telling you to stop listening and start looking. Listening and subtitles will make u miss the key factors.

[@smmshoe]

@@NoriMori1992 exactly. Novelty!!! But people are butthurt

[@stupidteous]

@@smmshoe youre saying you understood a fucking thing in that movie?

[@luckyizzac]

@@stupidteous well I did understand fully after watching it 2 times then watching every video of Welby CofeeSpill

[@funnyguy150]

Nolan says Tenet will resurrect the theatre industry and then only makes his movie enjoyable for a select number of high-end theatres.

[@danielmashanic5738]

Honestly I really doubt Tenet would have made some colossal amount of money the way previous Nolan movies did. Yeah Tenet was good enough overall but the critical reception hasn’t been even close to something like the reception of Inception, TDK, Dunkirk, or even Interstellar. I really doubt this movie would have pulled numbers like those movies did

[@wren4077]

Might not have resurrected it but I was really grateful it released in my country on the big screen. Much better than the other movies that I had the option of seeing and really filled the hole that'd developed from not visiting theatres during lockdown

[@funnyguy150]

@@danielmashanic5738 Agreed but as a creator Nolan probably thought he'd made another good movie. And with a long runtime and a premise that unfolds itself on multiple viewings, it's possible it could have gained a strong following. I believe it could have been released this year, before Bond and the other big Hollywood movies, and pulled a profit and returned people to the theatre.

[@somnathpaul6499]

He didnt had control over this, he wanted to release it to a wider audience but the studio was unable to get theaters ready or the threaters were in areas with high amount of covid cases thus the local authorities stopping them from opening the threaters.

[@yungbobross6418]

I mean I saw it in an imax theatre where it was “supposed” to be seen and I couldn’t hear shit so. I really enjoyed the movie though, it wasn’t as thought provoking as interstellar or inception in my opinion because it has to basically drip feed you the science and story to keep you from getting lost but I still thought it was super fun and enjoyable to watch. I was excited and waiting for the next thing to happen on the def of my seat the entire movie even if it wasn’t perfect.

[@theelephantintheroom69]

I think the dialogue in Interstellar and Dunkirk was a realism technique to make you feel more immersed in the scene; there's a lot of loud noises so naturally you should have a hard time hearing the pilots in Dunkirk or Tars and the car passengers in Interstellar. But in Tenet I don't know why they aren't trying to achieve realism or anything like that. The boat scene might make sense if they weren't wearing MICROPHONES THAT INTEND TO HELP EACH OTHER HEAR THEIR VOICES BETTER FOR THIS VERY REASON.

[@spartan456]

Even in those other examples, it still doesn't make much sense. Someone struggling to hear over the phone from a blaring helicopter, and the only sound the audience hearing is the blaring helicopter? Makes perfect sense. The director is telling you "look at how loud this is, nobody can hear anything, so neither can you." It doesn't detract from the scene, it adds to it. In the case of movies like Dunkirk, Interstellar, Tenet, etc, the deafening volume of "other sounds" that overpowers dialogue adds absolutely nothing. It actually DOES detract from the scene. The purpose of dialogue is to often to convey some kind of information. Yes, film can convey information in more ways than just dialogue (as seen by showing a character frustratingly try to hear over a phone while a helicopter is whirring in the background). But the way Nolan does it, it's like it's just thrown in for no reason. In all the other examples I've seen, it's a very clear, deliberate and artistic decision by the director. In the case of Nolan, it's like he does it just for shits and giggles?

[@redboot3911]

GREAT point

[@Dowlphin]

@@spartan456 The phone scene didn't make sense because he was clearly responding to something. Not hearing anything at all as the audience is very unlikely. In fact, even if it was incomprehensible to the character, we should still hear that tiny drowned out voice from the phone. We should hear what the character is hearing, not having immersion broken like some first person camera lens flaring by making us feel like an invisible spectator standing right next to the guy. Logical thinking and common sense are getting harder and harder for an insane society.

[@spartan456]

@@Dowlphin so you've never attempted to respond to something even if you don't hear it well???

[@Dowlphin]

@@spartan456 q.e.d. - logical tinking and common sense and add reading comprehension as another deficiency.

[@eily_b]

Nolan just prepared us for everyone talking with masks on now.

[@kalopsiaasteria9666]

Just what I was thinking ✌️

[@LizardSpork]

These days I always go out with a mask on and with my headphones on blasting Hans Zimmer soundtracks. My life is a Christopher Nolan movie!

[@fanboy5272]

@@LizardSpork it hasn't happened yet

[@RafaelRodrigues-rx9ry]

You. Won.

[@aregal]

hahah

[@shuckLedurkins]

Because of reverse entropy, the sounds are leaving our ears and going into their mouth

[@MarkTheCat]

this one is good

[@tdubasdfg]

They are catching the sounds with their mouth

[@giuseppedipaola7623]

There is no real science in this crappy overrated movie.

[@Noir0rioN]

Underrated comment brah

[@giuseppedipaola7623]

@4four4 I Did uderstand it, and even better, I understand physics, totally missing in this movie. There is no reverse entropy in a System that flows with a certain entropy, i the moment you watch a thing from the reverse System it becomes to embrace your "normal" entropy System. No science at all

[@tajcee]

“No one could hear what the hell I was saying until I took off the mask” - Christopher Nolan’s Bane

[@Tangoez]

Underrated

[@PatchyE]

lol

[@theseproblemsmatter1]

LOL you got me with this one

[@sahilbilal]

I read that in Bane's voice! 😂

[@top99scout]

@@sahilbilal I think that is why Bane was so angry. He had to repeat himself.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

I think it should also be remembered that in the mixing process, when they're listinging to a line 10 or 100 times, the people working on the film know what the characters are saying, so it's easier for them to distinguish what they say in the final product. For audiences listening to it for the first time, it's a different issue entirely and I don't think Nolan has yet grasped that.

[@spacedragon1453]

Wouldn't they have test audiences though?

[@MrBrownvp1]

Totally, Im an editor and this happens to me a lot. Is even worse when you are the one who took the footage

[@Dowlphin]

@@MrBrownvp1 I'd think this is specifically stuff one would have to be able to understand and deal with in that job. Otherwise I have to assume that just about anybody can do those specialized jobs they get paid for if the entry bar is that low. It also seems self-centered to just conclude that the audience can understand unclear speech just because you know what is said. After all, it doesn't change the fact that it is unclear, and especially a sound editor has to have a refined perception of such things. I keep coming to the conclusion that as an untrained but thoughtful person I would be pretty good in so many different jobs. (But society isn't just meritocracy, especially not the movie industry.)

[@rains00the]

mixing for subpar cinemas is still a dumb idea. It's like saying Van Gogh should've used brighter colours so ppl can see his paintings in dimly lit galleries. An easy solution for Noaln's issue is running subtitles all the time. Easy. Also, I'm doing motorcycle lessons, and when you ride, it's really difficult to hear stuff through the helmet and engine noise and wind noise etc. And I think the boat scene in Tenet conveys the intensity of an extreme activity really well thanks to the dialogue being hard to hear. But yes, I did watch it with subtitles, so what do I know...

[@TheStanishStudios]

@@rains00theThe only issue with your argument is by all accounts the high quality theaters were WORSE, especially Dolby certified ones!

[@mauricioruiz522]

Nolan: *makes audio inaudible* Me, a non-native speaker who can't fully understand english: (laughs in subtitles)

[@cokesloth]

Hah, that's very [INAUDIBLE]

[@owenkaplan5740]

Yeah I turned on subtitles when I watched and that made the movie enjoyable

[@blissvii9756]

Haha this deserves more likes

[@flowerfield3468]

Subs not dubs

[@tropingreenhorn]

hilarious

[@pachicore]

"Dialogue is a sound effect" *super loud score plays whilst people talk in a quiet building*

[@bassred7065]

That score was playing inside his head the whole time lol

[@ilovepudding7873]

I went to see this in the cinema. I should not have gotten high for this one. The score was way too intense.

[@fluffigverbimmelt]

Makes sense to me. Especially in the Freeport it's exactly that.

[@NochSoEinKaddiFan]

To me it represented the tension he was under in this scene and when his attention was on the surrounding and when he focused on the words of the presenter. I feel like I might have missed somehting because the character might not have payed attention and I am in the same position of knowledge that he is, I know as much as he does.

[@acojo8205]

You just had to pick the one scene in which the he actually used a valid technique. You're not supposed to hear all the dialogue in that scene.

[@tahimig1]

I had no problems with Interstellar, Dunkirk, or The Dark Night Rises dialogue being difficult to understand. Because it made sense that because Bane was wearing a mask, and TARS was in a different spacecraft about to enter a black hole. There is usually a good in universe reason why the dialogue can be tough to hear. Its immersive. The problem with TENET is that 99% of the time you cant hear the dialogue, its because of the score. The score is cool, but considering its non-diegetic it has no real reason to effect the dialogue, and you miss interesting stuff.

[@chuckhoyle1211]

Tenet was the first film in a long time where a few things happened to me. 1) I fell asleep and 2) I had no idea what the hell was going on and 3) I had to constantly fiddle with the volume because some things were very quiet and some things were incredibly loud. It was a very annoying experience.

[@chuckhoyle1211]

@acktually aintaddingup To be fair, I was extremely tired at the time and probably would have fallen asleep to any movie. That being said, I never fall asleep during movies I have never seen before.

[@umairasif15]

I never had any issue with any other movie and I am a fan of Nolan. I was really excited about Tenet but it kept getting difficult to understand what they were saying any why was someone doing what they did. I lost my interest and was really disappointed.

[@arijeanz]

i think the dialogue mixing was done really well in interstellar. when coop talks to his daughter in that low voice it sounds more sweet an intimate. tars sounding like that thru the black hole makes total sense

[@johannestonnies7898]

I believe Nolans films are not so much about the story, but more about the feeling the story evokes. And I believe you don't have to "get" 100% of the story to feel it. Actually a diffuse feeling of wonder might strengthen your experience, at least for me it did with Tenet.

[@hippocheese14]

I watched Tenet 3 times in Showcase XPLUS - great 4K laser projector, and excellent speakers with crystal clear sound. The dialogue was incredibly difficult to understand and the repeat viewings did not make it easier. Why did I watch it so many times? I LOVED the score lol.

[@jjcometa9333]

Isn’t it in KZbin?

[@garthfarkley]

Nolan is a genius. His next step should be to make all the filmed scenes invisible too.

[@ayubhussein201]

lololol

[@Jimbo1221]

Audio book ;)

[@strauss2514]

Like a radio show?

[@garthfarkley]

@@strauss2514 Yes, exactly, but with unintelligible words.

[@T1eke]

Many movies do this already. The screen is just so black/dark that you cant make out anything in some scenes.

[@miketheknight7479]

A wise man once told me, "they won't find the plot holes if they can't hear them"

[@Artemis-eu5ql]

Listen

[@gonelucid6270]

Oh man that's too good

[@jetnavigator]

Haha Tenet is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

[@f.b.i2132]

@@jetnavigator probably you haven't understand 1% of the movie

[@RiloXRi]

@@f.b.i2132 I can't understand 99% of your grammar

[@pwenkojammy2894]

I feel like sometimes people who get a little too into any particular artform begin to conflate the fact that something is a deliberate and unconventional decision with it being a good decision. The fact that it was on purpose doesn't make it suck less.

[@MM-hk4pb]

Although the reverse can be said too. Just because a person thinks it sucks for being a creative decision that doesn't "strictly" make it a good approach does not mean it really sucks. Both sides get into defending art forms. Is the dialogue hard to hear at points? Yes. Was it a bad or sucky decision? Hard to say because there are people who like it as they feel this approach tried to mimic how in real life people wearing masks are sort of hard to hear, for example. Is it an odd decision? Most likely. Does it make it difficult to understand parts of the story? Certainly because people have different levels of hearing. However, does the sound mixing block dialogue entirely to the point where you have to go read the script to see if there was information lost in the movie? Not really because it can still be sort of discernible. It was a chaotic decision on Nolan's part. That's what I think.

[@xephael3485]

_"The fact that it was on purpose doesn't make it suck less."_ exactly...

[@jessiejanson1528]

@@MM-hk4pb The mask audio makes sense, especially so if other people in the film have an equally hard time understanding him. it fails to make sense though if the audience cant understand it, but everyone else in the film can understand it just fine. Given the directors defense of "watch it in a expensive theater with the best audio, or suffer with a horrible experience in other theaters, but please keep buying tickets to see it, i need that money". If he really wanted to stick to his 'best experience' he would have not allowed the film in theaters with sub par audio. But he didnt do that. The guy is just a rich snob trying to get peoples money who doesnt care about anyone.

[@zatchbellgaming3433]

@@jessiejanson1528 Not to mention its blatantly elitist and snobby. it restricts the accessibility of the art and limits its scope too. Art should be viewable from as many points as possible. its just like if Dvinci made the Mona Lisa only viewable with special glasses that you have to be rich to buy. not everyone can afford IMAX experiences. if you want a "perfect" version make that separate and advertise the requirements.

[@knightmare5097]

@@jessiejanson1528 Do you have proof that he said that?

[@JeJe-mz9gg]

That's crazy, I never knew about this because, as a non native english speaker, I watch my movie with english subtitle. I thought I understood it clearly, but I didn't. You made me realise that I probably have a complete different experience than the people complaining about it. Thank you for all the amazing video you give us, you realy help expanding my perspective and knowledge about filmmaking.

[@MsFated]

Tenant was by far the worst Nolan movie I ever watched because of the sound. I genuinely couldn’t understand 90% of the movie so I got so bored because what is happening. The fact that is intentional is so stupid. I completely agree with this 9:18 It didn’t help much that the background noise they made louder than their voices was actually too loud. Gunshots would literally hurt my ears. I couldn’t imagine watching Tenant at home because I would have to keep turning the volume up and down and that is just frustrating.

[@k0lpA]

@@MsFated try subtitles

[@MsFated]

@@k0lpA oh wow you thought you did something there. Here 🍪 Mean while they clearly had to fix the audio for Tenant after all the complaints and the director speaking on it so wasn’t just me.

[@Stevenwave-]

@@MsFated Nah I had same experience. Watched it when it came on TV. I'm a big sci-fi fan, but after a while I stopped really caring during this movie. I kept feeling like I'd missed something important, eventually I was like meh, whatever.

[@JDH_MUSIC]

I think Nolan is addicted to the epic music his composers make, so he just blasts it nonstop.

[@roger5555ful]

That's unbelievably based

[@aurelofsurrealitydesign7341]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nikooooo7661]

@@karlwithak1835huh? Loo

[@TheSublimeLifestyle]

@@karlwithak1835 Lmaoooo ridiculous.

[@barriniho]

Yeah, watch Nolan's films like Memento and The prestige. The soundtrack was minimal and you could hear the dialogue perfectly.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

I second his conclusion here. The problem with voice being a 'sound effect' is the audiences aren't necessarily able to know whether they've missed out on something crucial or not. The film-maker might know, but if the emotions you're eliciting in your audience in a climatic scene are confusion, annoyance and worry, then you've probably done something wrong.

[@grimslater]

Agreed, if it takes you out of the movie it's a mistake.

[@oldskool4572]

Nolan makes his films in a way to encourage rewatching them. Its peeling the layers.

[@MoonDoggie82]

@@oldskool4572 no he's not there are no layers he's just pompous. What layers are you peeling back when you can't hear anything because wind and music were pushed to 11 but dialogue is at a 3? Ah must be windy out?!?

[@oldskool4572]

@@MoonDoggie82 Its a matter of opinion. Not fact. Each to their own ;)

[@kanedNunable]

yup, i agree, you think you've missed something then you lose focus from the movie. plus his movie are quite heavy so you are always trying to work out whats going on.

[@patinho5589]

I can hear Bane’s words 10 times better than the words in tenet.

[@jojodroid31]

tenet really was a mess

[@choo_choo_]

That's because Bane's dialogue was mixed OVER everything else, making him seem super out of place in every scene. Like he's talking over the movie like a commentary voice over, instead of talking in the scene.

[@xyndax7887]

I feel like people just struggle to understand him if they’re not British lol

[@SageSSBM1]

@@choo_choo_ I absolutely agree that my first time watching the movie the mixing made me laugh out loud and very confused. It sounds like bane is talking from another room!!! Especially in the airplane opening he sounds absolutely ridiculous

[@choo_choo_]

@@SageSSBM1 Same. I thought there was something wrong with the speakers, like he was coming from the wrong channel or something. To this day I have no clue what they were thinking making him sound like that. It bothers me on a fundamental level that they could hear it and think, "yep, this is some good mixing" when he's completely outside the mix.

[@thecuddlysatan]

The biggest irony is, I can hear the sound better at my home compared to the theatre - where Nolan wants you to watch it. You're doing a great job of getting people back to theatres, Nolan.

[@kirikiri44695]

Cry

[@WalkmanAndCigarettes]

@@kirikiri44695 boy thought he did something 😭😭

[@seankelly378]

​@@kirikiri44695die

[@millystars]

at least at home i have headphones where i can adjust the sound and subtitles

[@bt3743]

@@kirikiri44695 seethe

[@ericspratling9252]

"They did a temporal pincer!" "A temporal pincer? What's that?" "That's when you HRGHHFFFFRRHRN and RUTINDMAIHDGHHH in order to BLURGBLURGHBLURCH!" "Oh, I see." On The Waterfront, it ain't.

[@JustChadC]

It’s intentional.

[@DragonsFrogs]

@@JustChadC Doesn't make it any better

[@columbus8myhw]

If the movie can survive with them being replaced by bleeps, I guess it's OK. But you have to make it _clear_ that they're not meant to be understood - go _all the way_ with making them unhearable. Don't put them on the edge so the audience thinks they can get it if only they strain a bit more.

[@ericspratling9252]

@@DragonsFrogs It in fact makes it *much* worse.

[@alexxx4434]

*Nolan:* HHRGHBUBRHGH BAHGNRH SHNGUBRBR *Audience:* Can't hear you very well, you're too far up your own arse!

[@Lanosrep]

Nolan: Tries to preserve the cinematic experience Also Nolan: Makes it so that the best way to watch his films is at home with subtitles on.

[@LicoriceLain]

Some really mixed messaging

[@mick776gold]

Exactly, while I was watching the movie, I kept thinking I had to wait to see it again at home with subtitles.

[@Krondon-SSR]

Oh yeah english speaking countries don't have subtitles...

[@jmap]

@@Krondon-SSR I watched the movie in Taiwan and ended up relying on the Chinese (my third language) subtitles to at least try and understand much of the dialog.

[@wipeoutliang]

I think the editing team is responsible for this mess

[@SaltyPeanutz]

I saw the whole film. My final verdict? It looks like a good movie.

[@AbduShu]

Don’t know if it sounds like one though

[@lemonysnick5171]

haha I've seen it twice now and this is still my opinion. Maybe 3-4 more viewings will change my mind lol

[@AC_Milan1899]

Idiotic film

[@Pedro159TT]

one of the worst movies, believe me, read the script while watching the movie to pretend that i was getting it, just bad writing.

[@Maximum_777]

its just a really cool music video

[@TAMMO34]

A very well analysed video. I think Oppenheimer has been a considerable improvement on the sound mixing and exposition

[@SpartanChief2277]

Yes, still has "loud epic music" thrown in but was still mixed well

[@didnever1202]

Couldn’t understand a thing for large portions of the film. Same for friends and parents. Especially when Murphy or RDJ talked, I couldn’t hear 30-40% of what they says. It’s a shame, because it was a fantastic film and he didn’t have to do it.

[@Raf_y]

@@didnever1202 Ahah I am French and was working in Germany this summer when Oppenheimer was released, my english is correct and I understood most of the dialogues but sometimes I was completely lost bc of the accent of some characters. (Now imagine watching memento/inception in your non-native langage x))) )

[@ookami38]

Oppenheimer actually used the LOUD ASS SOUND for a good effect. And all of the talkey bits you could hear. Funny how that changes a movie.

[@akitoakito]

Tenet. The only movie that I thought "wow, I need subtitles" in the cinema.

[@HeK.]

Same. Not a fan

[@futuretrunks6461]

@@HeK. I heard about the dialogue problem beforehand and requested close caption device in my theater which they supplied. It helped a bit.

[@3htthexy]

@@futuretrunks6461 Did the same. Had no problems understanding the story and was really thankful that those devices existed. I watched 2 minutes of the film without the CC device before walking out of the theater and asking for the device for me and my parents (who want subtitles as much as possible) and was so thankful that I was able to understand the movie on the first go

[@SnoWbullll]

In Poland we have subtitles to almost every cinema movie. ;) But i understand your point.

[@Alan-gi2ku]

Same here.

[@MadRaiiden]

A big difference between the examples you give and Nolan's clips is that for the examples, the sound obscuring the voice is diegetic. Not only the audience doesn't hear, but the other people in the scene are affected too. This makes it super clear that it is intended. In Nolan's case, a lot of the time the sounds obscuring the voices are non-diegetic, it's the music. The characters around are also part of the dialogue and aren't showing signs of not listening/hearing, which also makes the audience feel left out. It's okay in a movie like Dunkerque, as the action is more important to convey the plot than the dialogues themselves, but in a movie where dialogues are an integral part of the plot, it has to have a clear line between what is supposed to be heard and not heard. I think the scene with Robert Pattinson on the contrary is quite well made, as you can seem him look around, the camera focuses on what he is looking at, not the person talking, so the feeling of him not really listening to what the person is saying and instead focusing on whatever he's focusing on works brilliantly.

[@apmeehan]

Spot on

[@bruhmoment.-.]

good comment, I agree :)

[@daycampgames]

Yeah, I genuinely dont understand anyone's beef with the Pattison scene. People are misapplying their critique to that scene because of other scenes in the movie where one could make a reasonable argument that the sound is negatively affecting the scene. The Pattison scene is not one of these instances, and it's made very clear.

[@MrSpannners]

Hahahaha "Dunkerque" 😂

[@koshey245]

One of the greatest things I learned in my cinema classes I took as electives were Diegetic or not, and how much more story can be conveyed based on where the sound is coming from.

[@Th_Uslss_Indvdl]

Short answer: “Because Christopher Nolan wants us to suffer.”

[@kylerashby1997]

Some men, just want to watch the world burn.

[@RenegadeShepard69]

@@kylerashby1997 Well damn, it was all foreshadowing to this, he really did live long enough to see himself become the villain....

[@maxmakesfilms69]

Nolan's next film should absolutely be a Beethoven biopic

[@Rand0mN0rwegianGuy]

​@@maxmakesfilms69 And have LUDWIG Goransson return to compose the music for that score as well ;-))

[@crontemisto8994]

Pretty much what I thought when I saw the title too.

[@deusakremosa]

As a native Portuguese speaker, I am used to subtitles and therefore this experience is almost alien to me in the sense that, to me, Nolan films are always awesome because I have never known Nolan without the subs

[@mcgiverlol1]

Spanish speaker and same lmao

[@OKtheChannel]

Polish speaker, same

[@minaDesuDesu]

Estonian speaker, same

[@BigBoss1292]

Such an innovator….I hope in his next film he points the cameras at the film crew instead of the actors…now that would be a subversion

[@LuisSierra42]

There are filmmakers that would actually do this (Lars Von Trier)

[@skakid0]

So a film crew to film the film crew? So what if there's a film crew to film the crew filming the film crew filming the film? And then there's a film crew filming the film crew filming the film who's filming the crew who's filming the film. THEN you have a film crew to film the film crew who's filming the film crew who's filming the film crew who's filming the film crew who's filming the film crew filming the film. AND THEN you have a film crew whose fil................

[@therealvixe]

@@skakid0 true

[@Andytlp]

@@skakid0 No just film crew shooting at mirrors which only reflect themselves so theyre filming themselves filming themselves. FIlm crew shooting themselves the movie.

[@Drumfreak127]

@@Andytlp filmception

[@trinidad111]

Tenet is the first English speaking film that warrants being translated to English

[@southlondon86]

What if it’s inverted English?

[@Jagonath]

Fun fact: Trainspotting had English subtitles when it was released in cinemas in the USA. Apparently US audiences found the Scottish accents too hard to understand.

[@BHynes92]

The Lighthouse has it beat

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

@@Jagonath that's fair

[@simonr7097]

@@Jagonath the first Mad Max movie was even redubbed in American English, with a few words of Australian slang replaced.

[@nickcarter4006]

“It’s his right to make creative decisions, and it’s the audiences right to stop going if they don’t like those decisions. And it’s the critics’ and everyone’s right to discuss how effective these decisions are.” Bravo. +1 Subscriber!

[@fifinoirdefer9458]

Yeah I liked the video upon hearing this sentence

[@chrishayes8197]

yup - gained my subscription and All Updates!

[@SchlaftaterNrzZz]

Wow thats how npcs subscribe

[@Amonfobious]

literally the most basic take in the world

[@DavidL-ii7yn]

Yes. This. I wish there was a better term for this, but in writing class the professor taught us the creative principle that "The reader is always right." And that principle applies to many endeavors in life.

[@cesar3rocks783]

In Sin City there is a word that someone shouts that is vital for the story but you can't hear it because the other character in that scene couldn't hear it, it is later revealed what that word was and in that moment the main character realises they fucked up and that it could have been avoided provided he had understood what was being shouted at him previously

[@simba00784]

What’s the word?

[@cesar3rocks783]

@@simba00784 I cant tell you, it would ruin the moive. Go watch it, its really good

[@AmoBolivia66]

@@cesar3rocks783what’s the movie?

[@stevewilson9778]

"He's a (rhymes with stop)!"

[@cesar3rocks783]

@@AmoBolivia66 Sin City

[@thomasbelmont810]

Maybe obscuring dialogue in a movie with a difficult-to-follow plot isn’t the best idea. Just a thought.

[@giomjava]

THAT'S THE IDEA 😃

[@BeyondmyselfIsrael]

Why don’t you create a movie and stop complaining

[@luckygitane]

@@BeyondmyselfIsrael bullshit reply. Criticism is valid and keeps the medium vital

[@futurestoryteller]

@@BeyondmyselfIsrael The hilarious part is you would never tell someone they have to be a five star chef to know it tastes like someone literally sharted on their meatballs.

[@sciencefiction6060]

@@BeyondmyselfIsrael why don't homeless people just buy homes amiright

[@RenegadeVile]

I've noticed over the years that a looooot of movies and shows seem to have this weird audio mixing where the music is super loud and the dialogue is much softer. It makes it so I constantly have to turn the volume up and down; it's beyond annoying. I have no idea if this is a recent thing, or it's been a problem for a long time now, and I've only just started noticing.

[@hellerart]

Often cinemas are much to loud. It's cool today. Overstimulus of senses is the new dope. In Yoga tradition it is called Rajas. Fast cuts. Low attention span. Instant reward. To me this is a part of this tik tok mentality fast, bigger, quicker, more, overdoese... LOUDER. My grandma even complains about loud music in ARD crime movies 😂 The voice is clear as anything to me there. LOL Most modern day movies have far to many cuts to enjoy them in my opnion. I love the Andor oder Space Oysee 2001 speed a lot. I liked Interstellar, but I did not make it over 30 minutes with tenet. Didn't get me at all. I also disliced inception for being that "deep" with 3 cuts a second, there was no movie left to me. Might be creative, but it heavly suffers from this hyperactive problem of modern media. And therefore I dare to dislike it. Even Matrix 1 or Dark City shot in a much better, clearer, slower way. Both Masterpieces in my opinion. Would be funny to count cuts of Matrix 1 and Inception and Tenet. A cuts per minute value should be in each good critique.

[@RenegadeVile]

@@hellerart I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but we're not really talking about the same thing here when it comes to over-use of cuts and just poor sound mixing. All I'm talking about is the fact that, to hear the dialogue, I sometimes have to go deaf in the next scene when the music comes back...

[@hellerart]

@@RenegadeVile Yes I see the same spiritual source in both problems. Modern Media delivers a overdose. Like drugs. In most cinemas I hear me ears humming after leaving. But the same with Discos... Yes it is this way because dialogue is often normal loudness and explosions and music are 3x as load. Maybe this is the real difference between a bomb and a voice... strange mixing. Yes probably I got over the top with my comment, but I percieve it this way. And I am really sad Andor is too slow to a lot of people.

[@jtillman8251]

The seem to go heavy in for the low tones as well, which sometimes makes dialogue sound like someone mumbling from across the room. It's like trying to listen to someone else's conversation at another table in a restaurant. It's even worse if there's music, because like you said, they tend to mix it louder, plus a lot of soundtracks heavy on the same low frequency notes as the dialogue so it turns the entire soundscape into mush.

[@southstar9931]

Couldn't agree more! It's infuriating. What happened to smart sound?

[@Hhshhshhe]

I pretty much mentally blanked out halfway through the movie I was so tired of trying to understand what they were saying it just frustrated me

[@ivyx7346]

same i kept going back

[@DavidHeffron78]

Just watch the Red Dwarf episode “backwards”. It makes sense and is funnier.

[@wdwuccnxcnh7022]

yep, it was incredibly frustrating

[@Ryrynz2000]

Yeah I was frustrated a few times.

[@haragull_1995]

same

[@nimblybimbly4002]

I appreciate when creators consider how their audience will experience their art. For example, Dave Grohl said about mixing his records that he would get them how he wanted them in the studio and then listen to them on crappy car stereos to be sure they sound good there too, because that's how most people will listen. He acknowledges that not everyone can enjoy his music on studio quality speakers and I would appreciate if Nolan would acknowledge that not everyone can watch his movies in a perfectly aligned Imax theater.

[@Andystuff800]

"he would get them how he wanted them in the studio and then listen to them on crappy car stereos to be sure they sound good there too" Every professional checks their mix on shitty speakers. If your mix engineer doesn't do this, get a better engineer.

[@ookami38]

This is the way. If you're making art for the sake of making art, fine whatever. Do what you want. You want your characters to all wear masks and mumble, fine. Your piece. But if you want it to be experienced by people, if you want to share your art, then don't be surprised and act like the people have the problem when you make weird, exclusionary, and elitist decisions. I do NOT need to be so far up Nolan's asshole that I know what he had for breakfast, that's not how I enjoy art.

[@fermitupoupon1754]

The thing is, I am totally fine with Nolan's logic behind the way he wants his sound mixed. But if it's only intelligible in a THX certified IMAX theatre, then he shouldn't sell his film to theatres that aren't THX certified IMAX theatres. And yet he does. So to me he doesn't have a point when he says it's meant for perfectly aligned THX IMAX theatres. It's just bad sound design the way it's done now.

[@empathogen75]

I listened to a Fred Again interview where he said he listens to his songs on his iPhone speakers before bothering to try and finish engineering them, because if they don't sound good on an iPhone, then it's not a good song, and a bad song can't be fixed with good production. To be honest, I think the main problem with Tenet isn't the sound mixing, but it's just not a good movie. About halfway through it I was wondering why I was bothering to care about any of it. The sound mixing was annoying, but if the plot worked as a movie, it wouldn't have mattered that much.

[@PAWGmoth]

I sort of like that he doesn’t consider the audience. I have to go out of my way to travel to a kinda far away theatre to see his movies. Makes them more special to me. He’s the only director I go to the theatres for bcz it actually feels worth the money Also, you can almost identically recreate a theatre experience with a $100 phone, a piece of cardboard, and cheap headphones; if there’s no imax theatres near you lol

[@cookingwithjesus]

Oxygen mask scene 7:54 “Well we better budda pidda how before bum guys how fing” nods head.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

On a boat: "ya boat is all chocolate?" "I bought it at the jelly-train station" "Rueguruehhruh"

[@cookingwithjesus]

It’s actually “batta batta batta, swing batta”

[@no_rubbernecking]

I'm hearing this dialog for the first time here in this video. I'm American but note that even with a thick Scottish accent i could hear the first time, "Well then we better clear the room before the bomb" something something. On the fourth listening i made out "goes off". So i suspect that a Scottish person wouldn't have had trouble. Interestingly, we had the same issue in another scene at 2:44. Again i haven't seen this film or ever heard this clip. Scottish accent: Eh, i'm goin' down. English accent: I'm on him, bail out Heard it all the first time. The Bane guy in the mask, again i discerned the first half on the first hearing, and it took three more hearings before i could get the rest of it ("of this city to the people"). So. I think it's partly an arrogant director who loses focus after listening to the first half of a line, and partly a new generation of arrogant listeners who don't care to understand anyone who's not exactly like they are. The astronaut conversation about the robot, i had no real trouble discerning. The catamaran scene, i couldn't make out more than three words and still haven't been able to. The security discussion i got more than half of, even though most commenters are saying they couldn't make heads or tails out of it. I can sympathize with a reasonably smart director who's mad because he perceives that his younger viewers are intentionally ignorant and mentally lazy. But i can also sympathize with viewers who accurately perceive that the director is retaliating by intentionally mucking it up worse than he otherwise would. Of course, if a film is simply garbage, as most are today, it hardly detracts that you can't hear the dialog. In fact, if i'm being "forced" to sit through it, it might be a plus. 😆

[@nvexe8822]

@@no_rubbernecking I understand what you mean but I don't think being unused to a Scottish accent and therefore having more difficulty understanding it makes a person "arrogant".

[@no_rubbernecking]

@@nvexe8822 You are right. I didn't mean to suggest that someone who is unused to it is arrogant, any more than i'm calling a deaf person ignorant for not having heard it before. Simply that there is a generational divide with people on one side more likely to embrace things that are different and a newer scene that tends to shun them, therefore being ignorant by choice. Of course there are many exceptions to the rule... people who instinctively are better but who maybe just haven't yet had the exposure to something. I mean we all have things we haven't experienced. So there's no shame in that. The problem is to ignore intentionally when something different comes around, without giving a chance. That's all i meant and i'm 45... people under 40 today tend to be more prone to this issue. And it struck me that this is one cause (just one) of the kind of disagreement we're seeing here. So IMO the director is not 100% wrong, if i'm correctly seeing what his intended point is.

[@svarthofde2492]

So people, for decades, complain about how there's too much of a difference between the sound levels of dialogue and sound effects, so much so that sometimes it is literally painful and Nolan looks at this and goes "you know what? I can turn this issue into a real problem"

[@emirlsanchos6302]

He turned the music up to 11. Then diminished the dialogue to -11.

[@thatoneguychad420]

Honestly it's a maasive issue anyway. I fuckin hate watching films cuz I have to hold the bastard TV remote the whole time.

[@emitain8408]

@@thatoneguychad420 Pretty much not a real issue there for me. I got an app that automatically normalizes the volume for me so dialogue is usually very clear on the devices I installed the app on.

[@thatoneguychad420]

@@emitain8408 this app works for your TV? If not then it's no good sadly. Why would I watch a 4K high Def film on a phone screen lol.

[@Killicon93]

@@thatoneguychad420 Movies are being mixed by someone sitting in a sound proof booth with 500€ headphones who's then like "sounds just fine to me".

[@CatsMeowPaw]

Next time Nolan should film his movies in a dark room where you can barely see what's going on, as well as muffled dialogue. That would be true artistic creativity of the highest caliber.

[@williamfoy599]

Like Alien vs Predator Requiem? That was a baaaaaad film.

[@EdwardLindon]

Cinema is an essentially visual medium.

[@mintfudgecupcakes]

Deaaaaadddddd

[@myam754]

why do I want this?

[@gjantschke9150]

Oh like they did in Game of Thrones?

[@sudokode]

My favorite use of background "dialog" was actually from The Big Short. When the Frontpoint crew is getting a rundown from mortgage brokers about how crappy the loans they're giving are, Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy" can be heard in the background but playing in a natural way in the setting. It was probably the most brilliant but easily overlooked details I've ever seen in a movie. It was almost like the setting itself was giving its thoughts on the topic while also saying exactly what the characters couldn't say out loud.

[@herberttheturtle]

I’m not a native English speaker, but I’m fluent and can usually understand everything, but after watching tenet in the cinema I was getting worried that my English got worse😂 I’m relieved to hear that I wasn’t the only one wishing for subtitles in the cinema

[@Byrvurra]

Haha, no it's not you. Nolan is out of control, somebody stop him.

[@arundhatibhattacharyya9635]

Lmao same...

[@sonia7085]

same omg :,)))

[@eduardohenriquecarneiroalv6343]

Lmao, same. I dislike watching english movies with subtitles, but this one was just another level.

[@jacquelinegoede3373]

Same. When I watched Interstellar as a non-native speaker with my British family I thought I must have lost my ability to understand English (and I have a BA in it like whaaat). Then I though it was Matthew McConnaughy‘s (whatever his name is) intense mumbling. I normally never put subtitles on but for all Nolan movies I do now.

[@thegrimyeaper]

There is a scene where they're in a completely quiet room with no masks, no music and their voices are mixed so low you can't hear them.

[@kimberlylabrec246]

I saw it on HBO Max and had to have my tv volume up to almost the max level and still had to read subtitles - which are tiny and don't stand out enough on HBO Max.

[@ladyscarfaceangel4616]

@@kimberlylabrec246 Yeah, I noticed I had to turn my TV volume up to 42 to hear the dialogue, & I usually go up to 22. So the score about blew me outta the room, & then my hubby walked in wondering what I was doing! lol

[@user-ne4ld3jp6i]

Having never seen Tenet, I feel like I can understand what Nolan is getting at when Robert Pattinson's character is being led around the vault or wherever they are. The music drowns out the attendant because the character isn't listening, he's looking and making his own judgements. I'm unsure of what justification there is for these other instances, though.

[@skipskylark9525]

there's none! absolutely none. big scenes where characters are meant to be explaining plot to you are just garbled nonesense. but also please watch tenent bc it's a lot of fun!!! (just watch with subtitles maybe....)

[@TheJadeFist]

It's kind of the same way in other parts of the movie, because The Protaganist, doesn't understand everything going on.

[@saiintFPS]

There's very few bits of exposition in Tenet that are actually necessary. There's an explanation of inversion and an explanation of the villain's motivations, apart from that the dialogue we dont hear is mostly unimportant conversation or a character saying what you see (ie when the woman pushes the guy off the boat she's essentially saying das verdanya, but we can see the intent on camera). I personally loved Tenet, its a top 5 Nolan film imo (i'd say 1) dark knight, 2) interstellar, 3) Inception, 4) Prestige, 5) Tenet).

[@ZzdeathangelzZ]

@@TheJadeFist neither does the audience

[@ddm7833]

Yes, in ONE SCENE OF THE MOVIE the choice makes sense. The rest of the time however, it is fucking atrocious.

[@zlobzor]

Sadly, while mixing things to only work with "top end" cinemas, Nolan is also ignoring another important aspect - People with hearing problems. Many people have mild to moderate hearing problems, which aren't otherwise an issue to people. Nolan is effectively deliberately excluding them from the cinimatic experience. Fair enough, making things specifically difficult to hear for a choice. General dialogue should be audible.

[@csanadtemesvari9251]

Nah

[@spethmanjones2997]

“dialogue is a sound effect” “What??” “I said dialogue is a sound effect!” “WHAT?? I CAN’T HEAR YOU!” “DIIIAAALOOOOGUE IS A SOOOUUUUND EFFEEEECT!”

[@MediHusky]

Next up they're gonna make the subtitles illegibly small.

[@aramisstark3791]

Your profile pic matches your comment perfectly haha

[@spethmanjones2997]

@@aramisstark3791 lol you’re right :D

[@crushingit5128]

It really is the dumbest method I ever heard. Dialogue is pure communication. In real life If you can't hear someone because of a loud noise, then they either talk louder or not at all. Why not capture a scene of no talking if dialogue is not vital to you. Or lots of screaming if you want to express LOUD NOISES

[@jabranislav]

What?

[@CoolJRT2009]

In Interstellar, I think it works. The shuddering of the space ships interior realistically drowns out the dialogue that's broadcast over radio which is mostly just garble and quindar tones anyway

[@Blueturtle1]

But in the tenet he hair turned the music all the way up and went “yup sounds cool”

[@jamega4000]

@@Blueturtle1 that's why he said "In Interstellar"

[@Blueturtle1]

@@jamega4000 that’s why I said “in tenet”

[@hyperx72]

There are scenes where it definitely doesn't work, such as when they're in generally quiet places and mumbling.

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

Then again, if you miss the line about it costing them 51 years that is a hugely consequential bit of exposition that is completely and totally missed because of creative decision. If you're ok with people not hearing that, why include it in the movie at all?

[@princevegeta8126]

Nolan does a great job at making 9/10 of his audience feel clinically deaf.

[@BenutzernameXY]

Its just in english. If you watch tenet in german you understand every Dialogs.

[@AtomicSymphonic]

@@BenutzernameXY That's likely because the German dubbing cast and coordinator did not know or understand that Nolan intended to have those bits of dialogue muffled to emphasize the loudness of the scene. Of course, IRL, I'd ask a character to repeat themselves, even if bullets are flying at my head. If I don't get the message, there's no point in taking more risks as a character in the film. I wonder if in German culture, they would also ask the person speaking to repeat themselves. lol

[@ebolarnator1794]

Dunkirk gunshots made me think I' m deaf.

[@eli-coleoptere563]

Im part deaf and thats exactly how it feels lmaoo

[@apeehimalayachand4869]

that time i thought my speaker is broke

[@8loves188]

This reminds me of the final shot of "Magnolia" where Aimee Mann's "Save Me" plays over the dialouge being spoken by John C. Reilly's cop character but the camera focuses on the drug addicted Claudia played by Melora Walters.... it was first time i realized the technique was used to show her characters intense emotional arc and finally end in a "hopeful" manner with the focus solely on her facial movements but i remember being confused by this choice as a young teen until i was older when i accepted Magnolia as my favorite film of all time.... in Nolan films, the tenchnique feels more chaotic, like its used during scenes where, as a viewer, I'm trying to understand what's happening and it adds to the disorienting confusion but i can see why he does it.... i have noticed it upsets my parents and siblings though

[@slydrakee2631]

The only thing that bothered me is that everything was so painfully loud in theater haha i understand the creative process but Jesus my ears

[@Dina8485]

I watched Tenet at home on a smart tv from 2015. My god were parts of it so loud I had to turn it down.

[@szinyk]

I feel the same way whenever I go.... I mean, went... to a theatre and the volume was set to maximum for the commercials and trailers at the beginning. Like, it's not going to make me want to buy a car or drink a coke or watch Garbage Man 2: the Revenge any more if my ear drums are bleeding.

[@trw1782]

I absolutely loved opening action scene of Tenet and the loud mixing. But it lost its effect fast as the loudness never really ended. If everything is loud, nothing is loud.

[@samuelmair7191]

I went to two cinemas with two different sets of friends and both times the friends said their ears hurt after

[@SuLu_XD]

@@trw1782 this exactly!!

[@GDBOYFilms]

My whole problem was the plot was so emphasized that you felt left behind when you missed a line especially in the beginning. And we never had enough emotional attachment with the main character or the woman to even care when there were "emotional" moments towards the end. I was too busy analyzing the plot to stop and feel connected like I did with interstellar or inception. those had deeper characters which forced me to really care!

[@leonfontius5300]

Same here I though I was only one.

[@juayitl]

I hated the sensation of Nolan trying to proof to be smarter than me just by keeping information away. Loathed it. His worst film imo.

[@spectralstriker]

@@juayitl by keeping information away from you? Buddy if you didn’t understand it, then that’s on you.

[@thetechsite9619]

@@spectralstriker So the free port fight, either version in the movie worked for you on the first viewing? You got what both Protagonists were trying to achieve within each story beat? Which one is trying to get to the gun, which one is trying to stop him and how?

[@spectralstriker]

@@thetechsite9619 Yeah? Are you trying to make a point? Cause the free port fight was not very confusing, seeing that you are shown the fight twice from both perspectives.

[@colonelweird]

If Nolan only wants his films to be accessible in the best quality theaters, he should make sure his contracts state his films will only be viewed in those theaters. No mediocre theaters, no streaming, no blu ray. Otherwise he is stealing from his audience - because selling a ticket or permitting home viewing implies that the audience will be able to experience the movie - the WHOLE movie.

[@DustinGlendinning]

Or at least provide training and/or the means for 'lesser' theaters to properly maintain and/or upgrade their equipment.

[@evietuesday8808]

@@DustinGlendinning I can only speak for the small local cinema I work at but in my experience it's rarely anything like training that's needed, it's the incredibly expensive specific equipment that even most chain cinema's can't afford to have as standard in every screen. It's just never normally necessary, I've seen glitches and stuff where the sounds gone wrong and something needed to be fixed but Tenent and Interstellar are the only films where I've ever had the experience of customers coming out to complain about the sound when it was actually playing exactly as it was supposed too. I mean sure we don't have the most top of the line equipment but we don't have shitty cheap stuff either, and we are the only cinema available around so our customers can't just choose to see things in IMAX or whatever. I kinda don't hate the idea of making films with the express intention of them being seen on the big screen; my continued career depends on cinemas, I'm a big fan of them in general! But this level of snobbery means that MOST people seeing Nolan's films aren't getting that expensive specialist experience he's decreed is all important. Again, just imo, but the importance of the cinema is about the experience of the whole thing, it's going with friends, getting popcorn, being stuck in a dark room with a big screen- the things that make cinema markedly different to watching a film at home shouldn't be reduced to an exclusive experience only the lucky or the rich can take part in. Honestly I'm a fan of a few of Nolan's films but some of the stuff I've seen and heard him saying this last year has really soured me. I'd never call myself a fan of his in general, and I'll certainly never appreciate him talking about the "importance of cinemas" when it clear to me as someone with years of experience in one that he doesn't actually care about the experience of the average cinema-goer at all.

[@LizardSpork]

It's a bit like making a video game that's defective on "current gen" consoles, just ask CDPR how that worked out for them.

[@vrptl]

This.

[@CharlieBrown20XD6]

Lol wow what a guy making movies no one can see Might as well not make a movie at all

[@skalk6137]

i feel like when a video essay is sponsored by MUBI you know its good

[@JonnyGreen]

I first saw Tenet in the 70mm IMAX in London and I missed a lot of dialogue in scenes where it was genuinely important. Tenet is the first Nolan movie where I’ve had this problem, the mix in Interstellar and Dunkirk worked perfectly for me but Tenet was problematic

[@lukasvymyslicky1646]

same

[@TheJamesM]

I saw it at BFI IMAX, which should presumably be one of if not the best cinema sound system in the UK, and I still don't know most of what was said in the catamaran scene. Perhaps my hearing's just not up to snuff.

[@j.c3629]

@@TheJamesM nah its not u, its the movie

[@vistathingy]

I viewed Tenet in an IMAX theater in Michigan. I agree that the dialogue throughout most of the movie was difficult to understand. Dialogue in the same theater with other big budget movies was excellent.

[@jeremylawson6648]

saw it on 70mm imax in northern california and straight up could not figure out what was going on.

[@reeceparriah4772]

Another thing is that the examples of sound being louder then the lines, all the examples were external sounds from the world , while tenets soundtrack was obscuring it not a natural sound

[@enterzainment]

Yes exactly. Just because you have a top notch composer working on your film, it doesn’t mean it can drown out the story. Music is there to enhance the experience, to serve the purpose of the film, not detract from it.

[@futurestoryteller]

You'd only have to read my other comments to get a sense that I make arguments akin to this, however I think you guys are being reductive. After all in the early days of flimmaking you had people arguing (and still do on the rare occasion) that film is a *visual* medium, and that dialogue, or a reliance on it at least, is a perversion of the medium. To be clear these are mostly filmmakers from the *silent* era we're talking about here, where the only sound was a score, played from sheet music by a theater pianist, or if you were lucky a whole band was employed. This is coming from someone who personally finds film scores to be redundant and ostentatious, more often than not: I don't think we should be telling filmmakers what purpose the tools in their own toolbox serve. They'll spend plenty of time telling each other anyway.

[@enterzainment]

@@futurestoryteller That's a fair point, reliance on external factors rather than the visuals stray from the brith of film. I think that's happening today with scores. Like you've said, I too think most are redundant and ostentatious. For example everyone hyped up the Tenet's score; I simply found it as another synth-hybrid-orchestral-epic-score that was created strictly for the audience. Then again the creatives deliberately wanted this, one of their tools in their toolbox. I could go on about modern film scoring and how it all sounds homogenous, but I think everyone already knows that. But I do think carefully marrying dialogue, music and visuals have a profound impact on storytelling in general. One recent example is Charlie Kaufman's adaptation of "I'm Thinking of Ending Things". The score was crafted to fit the film in a way that propelled the story, one could even argue the whole thing is a musical with one musical number at the end. But in this film, dialogue is the key component in dishing out the story. Paired with the visual cues that no doubt also reveal the complexity of the narrative, it's a great example of how the three can come together in synergy. Personally this is just how I like my films, everyone has different tastes and I respect that. Just thought I'd stand on my soapbox for a minute.

[@futurestoryteller]

@@enterzainment The irony here is I was mostly talking about classical scores. From my perspective scores like Tenet's are still fairly unique. So my response to them tends to be fairly positive. Just another example of our subjective experiences. I was going to reiterate and elaborate on some of this using an example of how some people curiously seem to think there is only one way to adapt a certain video game to the medium of film. But it was getting pretty wordy and was probably an unecessary tangent. Especially considering we agree fundamentally on this point

[@maxxe2]

My biggest problem is having wild shifts in volume i.e. deafening explosions followed by quiet talking. This was what put me off watching this at home

[@refraggedbean]

Watching at home makes it so bad because often trying to make the audio the right volume is a pain in the ass because you cant actually hear the talking if you make sure the audio wont be heard 3 blocks away

[@definitelynotrohan]

Because explosions were to the point. Explosions are actually deafening.

[@SteelyDanzig]

Dunkirk is basically unwatchable because of this reason. Well, there's lots of reasons it sucks but the sound mixing is probably the biggest one.

[@setheus]

Exactly!! Sometimes I have to watch a movie with the remote in my hand the whole time, so I can turn it up in dialogue scenes and then try to turn it down in action scenes before my windows get blown out. Having sound-trigger anxiety or tinnitus would be absolute hell watching this

[@refraggedbean]

@@setheus tinnitus is also really bad with tinnitus scenes (usually after grenades in movies) painful to hear that ringing and tinnitus ringing at the same time

[@peterelfman]

100% agree on your final conclusion re: Nolan's artistry. I've seen most of his films (I'm missing Momento, Dunkirk, and Oppenheimer), and I've only actually thought 2 were thoroughly enjoyable AND top quality. I find his writing/storytelling sub-par for his status, but I think he gets away with it because he really excels at the parts of storytelling that he's good at. I feel like at this point his career has been so successful that he feels he can get away with obeying his ego and not necessarily make the best decisions for his craft.

[@dinosaursneverexisted8985]

When I watched Tenet the first time I was so damn confused. He’s taken the muddy dialogue thing way too far with Tenet, especially when so much of the dialogue is crucial to understanding the story. The scientist chick at the beginning was borderline mumbling.

[@frcShoryuken]

I actually left during the sailboat scene because I couldn't hear any of the dialogue and didn't want to spoil anything by seeing the rest without really understanding what was happening. I had thought it was just the theater's sound mix being screwed up lol. Turns out that wasn't really the case 😫

[@ChristianTurnes]

@@frcShoryuken when I watched tenet I was just barely able to understand enough to keep up with the plot until the end where all I could get from what was happening was what was happening on the boat

[@Ellbat]

I first watched this at a cinema in France with french subtitles, I don’t speak french well and so I couldn’t easily follow the subtitles when the dialogue was inaudible. I was pretty miserable the whole film because I just didn’t understand what was happening; I couldn’t hear half the movie. It really put me off watching his films in the future because it was so infuriating. Mixing for only the best cinemas puts the majority of people out of your target audience, it’s just snobbery imo

[@showdaKOs]

I agree with you. At first, I tought this was a creative and artisitic choice but in fact, he is litteraly snobbing the people that can't afford a "good" theater.

[@ci3xx]

it's elitist

[@mcdeezyofficial]

@@showdaKOs that is literally not true

[@showdaKOs]

@@mcdeezyofficial what? that is "artistic vision" is only meant for the best material? wich exclude most movie theaters (and people)? I thought tha's what was discussed in the video AND in the example above from Ellbat who described it as "I was pretty miserable the whole film", but hey, what do I know.

[@mcdeezyofficial]

@@showdaKOs he isn’t snobbing at people that can’t afford a good theater that’s dumb asf obviously he wants the best quality audio so he’d optimize it to the best speakers you don’t call musicians snobby cuz they mix their songs with thousand dollar sound systems and not iphone speakers

[@Bicketybam68]

Imagine as an interviewer repeating this process back to him everytime you ask him a question by also playing a loud sound effect that drowns out your question as you ask it and then you just look at him like he is an idiot for not responding to you... I bet he would get annoyed really fucking quick.

[@matturner6890]

that's brilliant

[@grey_f98]

*slow clapping

[@simbioza91]

Wow

[@Spacehog1981]

I will say for my part, I think Nolan's success has allowed him to just go insane with his bad habits. I was (and still sort of am) obsessed with Charlie Kaufman. He's very artistic and was revered for a long while. But that was a problem. He kept pushing the envelope farther and farther. Finally he made Synechdoche New York and it was super insane. I still liked it because it was a movie about a director going too insane with his art. But just because it was self-aware didn't make it good. It was too insane. Now Nolan is too respected for anyone to question. But maybe they should. Tenet was trash.

[@Archontasil]

Yup, Oppenheimer has super fast pacing & dialogue, constant music blaring, and confusing timelines. It feels like a panic attack simulator. People kiss nolan's butt so much, before long he'll be the new george lucas

[@moonlessiguana1826]

you are wrong @@Archontasil

[@cthomas025]

Agreed, he has come across as rather pompous for some time now. Tenet was just all-around terrible. Sound design, mixing, the general plot, just not good.

[@jeanne5135]

I am hard of hearing, so actually, I can't hear the difference between Nolan's movies and any other movies. Or people speaking in real life. It's all muffled. So I guess I'll start using Tenet to tell people why accessibility is so important, everywhere.

[@jalabi99]

Agreed!

[@Goose-pic]

Hell yeah :D

[@heyyitsultima]

I am hard of hearing as well, but seemingly not to the same degree as you. Most things and people are clear enough if I pay attention to them, but if I'm not focusing directly on a sound it could slip into the background much like everything else for me. That being said, I have to watch many movies with subtitles in order to properly understand them and a lot of that comes down to the mixing. It's frustrating for me, so I can't even imagine what it must be like for people who are even harder of hearing than me. In cases like Nolan's films, it feels like he's outright ignoring entire audiences and I'm not sure how to feel about that.

[@Patrick462]

Possibly one cause of the situation is that Nolan knows what the actors are saying. So when he mixes the dialogue under the other sounds, he can still understand what they're saying. Then he legitimately wonders why we normals can't hear the dialogue - it's obvious to *him* what the actors are saying.

[@jakesasak3448]

That's a really good point, that probably could be it.

[@lyndonlives638]

Yep, I can say from experience this is definitely an occupational hazard for film directors and editors!

[@ryuzaki6865]

You do realize that you are talking about Nolan here right and not a rookie Director?

[@lyndonlives638]

@@ryuzaki6865 So what? That doesn't make him infallible!

[@ryuzaki6865]

@@lyndonlives638 I never said anything about being infallible, nobody's truly infallible, but the type of mistake u r associating with Nolan's work is too rookie and irrational for a Director of his level of experience, knowledge, and stature. It's like saying Michael Phelps, by mistake forgot to wear/bring his swimwear in an Olympic event, the chances of that happening is almost negligible (the only possibility of that happening is if someone actually gets dementia or some mental illness like that). Besides, what the OP mentioned about the method of how the dialog, BGM and other scores are mixed and released as final product is so wrong that even I, who have zero experience in film making, can call BS. Either you assumed that it's ONLY the Director who mixes the dialogue along with other sounds and checks whether everything's properly audible himself, or you assumed that the whole post production team, mixer, sound engineer, Editor, Director, Producer and literally every single member of the team was aware of every single dialog in the film and hence they knew and understood what the actors were saying even under the high background scores, BOTH OF WHICH IS WRONG.

[@cheekybananaboy3361]

i think the quintessential example of obscuring dialogue in a movie is uncut gems. the entire experience is designed to be uncomfortable and disorientating, and to create a feeling of anxiety for the majority of its runtime. the scenes in howie's shop are usually very chaotic and so the audio represents that by having multiple characters talking over each other and having their own conversations. and unlike tenant, all of the characters dialogue is actually audible. i heard someone talking about how theyve watched the movie multiple times and every time they would pay attention to a different character, picking up on new hidden details and jokes. i find that to be such a cool concept and its sad to see how unique it is to uncut gems. i hope to see more filmmakers explore it in the future. it would be really cool to see you make a video diving further into this topic too!

[@danielmashanic5738]

Completely agree. Even if you don’t understand what’s happening, you know how you’re supposed to feel. The Safdie’s also understood when to not do this style of dialogue so you catch what is important. Nolan I get why he did it, but it’s still such a baffling choice

[@michaelotis223]

That film stressed me the hell out!!

[@spanielchin3933]

That's a really good point and I wonder where the role of subtitles comes in there. As a non-native English speaker, I've always used subtitles as I personally value not missing a line or an important detail in a line more than the cinematic experience without the visual distraction of subtitles. This definitely doesn't mean that because I use subtitles I won't miss a line or a detail but in cases like Tenet, I would suspect the subtitle-using audience missed fewer details in dialogues than the audience who watched the film subtitle-free. I can't remember how the subtitles were added in Uncut Gems where the characters are speaking over each other, though. I'd have to watch it again although it would take some time for me to do that as it was so damn stressful watching it for the first time haha

[@aidani4633]

YES!! That film has some of my favorites dialogue ever, its always stuck with me how real it feels.

[@cheekybananaboy3361]

@@michaelotis223 me too and it felt awful but i still loved it because it was such a unique experience to get from a film. no other film has come close to instilling such a strong sense of anxiety within me from start to finish, and whats interesting is that on my second viewing that anxiety was completely gone and was instead replaced with a deep sense of dread, while waiting for (massive spoiler alert) howie to die. the dude is an asshole but goddamnit hes still so loveable. on my first watch i didnt even like the film at all (seeing adam sandler get in a brawl with the weeknd was hilarious but other than that i was confused) but when the final sequence with the bet came around everything started to click in my head and i became very invested. i thought about it a lot after it finished and i now consider it to be one of my favourite movies of all time.

[@coreyredmon5611]

9:53 “I don’t think confusion is the effect that Nolan is going for.” Um… you sure about that? 😂

[@stephenmusic69420]

I’ve taken audio postproduction classes, and we were told that if you’re gonna mix for high-end surround sound you HAVE TO MAKE SURE ITS STEREO COMPATIBLE. Even if you’re mixing for a 20.2 surround system, there’s tools that make it pretty easy to convert that to basic stereo so that’s not a good excuse. There’s artistic decisions then there’s bad decisions.

[@dsp4392]

The point is that the high end mix should not be compromised for the clarity of the stereo rendering. That's what Nolan's team has decided. Remember that whatever you learn in classes is just the beginning of your journey. Cinematography "rules" really are guidelines, and they are all meant to be broken once mastered.

[@refraggedbean]

@@dsp4392 well in this case, with the movie being shown at any kind of theater, if you MUST make the main mix so fine tuned that it wouldn't work on stereo, it should have a mix available that would, accessibility should at least be taken into consideration at least to a reasonable degree, especially if your mix ruins the experience for the majority of your audience

[@mrjm6752]

@@refraggedbean All of this have nothing to do with stereo downmix, where did you get that ? He mixed with an object based project ...

[@duzcat9205]

Yeah... Cinema is a bussiness. If you make a product that disparages the majority of your consumer base, that is certainly an artistic choice you've the right to make. But it will cost you respect, reputation, and capital. And you'll have no right to complain about it. He can do what he wants, but understandably there are consequences.

[@ptrcrispy]

Always nice to when an actual expert comes down to earth with it and explains how fucking dumb some of the proclaimed cinema greats are.

[@simonr7097]

This thing about "mixing for good theathers" is just an excuse for laziness. When mixing sound, producing a result that translates well to different speakers is part of the job. Further, a mix that sounds okay on bad speakers is not going to sound worse on good speakers, that is preposterous. You don't have to sacrifice something to produce a decent result on bad speakers, but you do have to work harder and try your mix on a range of speakers. Lastly, even a bad theater is far from the worst environment where people are going to watch the film (laptop speakers, airplane earbuds and such are far worse).

[@owenphillips6421]

Yeah, I don't really see anyone saying this. When you mix and master music, you don't play it through really high-end speakers, you use flat studio monitors. They're not "bad" speakers, but they're nothing you'd want to listen to music on for fun. Why should mixing audio in films be any different?

[@Jg-be7it]

You are exactly right. A mix needs to translate well in different environments, on different sound systems. Otherwise, its a bad mix.

[@ireviewshtuff]

EXACTLY Nolan 100% just wanted to go home and snort lines.

[@DownUFO]

Yup, as a musician who has been recording music for the last 20 years, the process of recording and mixing an album isn’t complete until you give your mix a bunch of “test runs”. Different cars’ speakers, different headphones, different types of home speakers, cheap and expensive systems, with strong subwoofers and with no sub, etc. The mix will inevitably sound DIFFERENT on each, but you just wanna make sure each “flavor” of it is good in its own way. If it sucks on any of them, then you adjust accordingly.

[@julianrobin9390]

Yes but then you get into a bit more philosophy- the director doesn't want you to watch the film on an airplane, or on your laptop, he wants you to see it in a high end theater. To Nolan, this is the way the film is meant to be shown (to him, it's art, not a product). He's going to mix it for the way it's meant to be viewed, not the way people are going to view it. You can argue all day about it, but in the end it boils down to Film as art vs film as a product.

[@claraelizabeth]

I saw Tennet and Dune on rerelease recently. I saw Tennet on IMAX, and I couldn’t hear the dialogue, and I had to cover my ears because of the sound effects and blaring music. My ears literally hurt so much. I saw Dune the very next day in the same IMAX in the same exact seat, and I had no problems with the dialogue and the sound was smooth as butter.

[@Donyalicious]

YES i saw it in IMAX as well and the first scene at the opera house in particular was painfully loud and the dialogue throughout the movie was painfully inaudible

[@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa]

I found Dune to be extremely loud, to the point that my ears hurt by the time I left the theater (I forget if it was IMAX, though). But the dialogue was intelligible, and other than the overall volume (I remember some of the music got super loud near the end of the film), I didn’t find the music volume relative to dialogue volume to really detract from the experience.

[@user-el6lt8fr3x]

@@Donyalicious it was INSANE how loud the gunshots were when I watched the opera scene in imax, you’d think someone snuck in a shotgun and fired off shots in my theater

[@pkre707]

Lol, I thought both of them were way to loud. But yes, dune was much more intelligible

[@IWannaGoMissing]

If you find a movie loud in a theater that’s a problem with how loud the theater is playing it back

[@jupiterzombies]

*important factor:* no matter how crisp the quality of the sound system, if you have even the slightest issue to your hearing, or your hearing is simply different from nolan's and his sound directors, you won't be able to hear it correctly. and i mean *any* hearing issue. hearing loss, misphonia, tinnitis, heck even a sinus infection or a bad cold..... plus, not being a native english speaker makes it even worse. human hearing is not an exact science. you have to be a *very specific* person in order to hear exactly what he wants you to hear. in one sense i like how precise it is. precision in art is cool. in another sense, he puts his audience on such a fine line that most people can't walk it. i need subtitles in 'normally' sound mixed movies, especially if there's an accent or whispering involved. in tenet, i couldnt understand a single *word* without them. make sense? maybe it's intentional, maybe it isn't, but im not sure it's *good* .

[@strangebrontides8251]

I was just thinking, Nolan's problem with exposition is the actual problem. And then you said it. So. Yay.

[@donovanwiebe2495]

I feel like a good 30 min could be taken out of the first hour of Tenet. The whole first half of the movie is just repeating exposition

[@frisater96]

The whole movie just felt very off to me. There was so much stuff constantly being introduced that nothing really grabbed me, it all just flew by. The exposition was bad, yes, but it also felt very cold, with no connection to the characters.

[@kanava1119]

Another big problem is pacing. He just simply does not have the feel for it. And that problem is in every film of his. Another is also his self-seriousness, but i guess some people like it, for me, it makes me cringe. Oh well.

[@DragonsFrogs]

@@williamtseng yeah unfortunately Denzel’s son has 2% of his charisma and acting talent at best, so the 007 model doesn’t work at all, good observation though.

[@DragonsFrogs]

@@williamtseng I understand what you're saying, and Nolan is my fav filmmaker by far so I typically love just about anything he does - but imo that's why this movie didn't work for me like most of his others, 007 movies like you mentioned have very little character development & connection but they largely work because of the charisma of Connery and some of the other leads, and you could argue the more recent ones have less of that but are still benefitting from the 007 franchise name and what came before. The Protagonist didn't have any of this charisma or acting chops for lack of a better phrase, but without that or strong character development/connection everything just feels empty. Compare that to Interstellar or Inception which had all of the above and imo that's why this feels empty despite being one of the most technically impressive films I think I've ever seen. Interstellar was one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen. Think if we put Leo or McConaughy or Denzel (or even Pattinson) into the role of The Protagonist and the movie gets about 25% better, at least imo. I know he was cast for his athleticism and physicality but idk to me that's probably the worst reason to cast someone unless they're playing Hulk Hogan in a biopic or something haha.

[@JasonZhangS]

Nolan slowly losing his hearing is undeniable, but the fact his team lets him get away with it is fascinating to me. He's famously obsessed with his artistic visions for sure, but I can't believe his sound mixers and production teams are all suffering from the same level of hearing issues....

[@douchopotamus3755]

It was all those inception "bwoomps" he had to listen to thousands of them at full volume

[@TheFourthWinchester]

I honestly think that's true. Damn.

[@evm6177]

Think Nolan has lost his head, because he has no real story to his films these days that's worth a dime! 🍷

[@blokamist5472]

@@evm6177 tell that to the people who handed him awards 👍

[@quasarulas3968]

wouldn't loosing your hearing make you mix things louder? ie dialog

[@haydenclaborn9584]

I saw Tenet in a rather nice theater and I found the dialogue mostly intelligible. I might be projecting but the whole plot is such a clusterfuck and a logic nightmare that I found the sound mix rather fitting.

[@noahswan6014]

Exactly I loves the coherence of the mixing andthe story the way you’re just supposed to follow with hints like the main character does as soon as he wakes up

[@Will-xf3qe]

The whole movie i was trying to figure out who these people were, what they were doing and why they were doing it, and why i should even care. By the end i didn't care.

[@Will-xf3qe]

The plot at it's core is pretty basic and lame anyways. It's just bad guy trying to destroy the world for some reason and good guys have to stop him.

[@violettaneedssleep]

the movie was so shit like wtf was happening LMAO

[@tobyvision]

@@Will-xf3qe Yeah, and even though they have a TIME MACHINE that they can use as casually as walking in and out of a door, they are still relying on guns.

[@philroodart]

By keeping his films mixed only for top of the line theaters, Nolan is cutting out a lot of future viewers of his movies who would discover them in future generations, but won't stick with them because they can't hear what the hell is going on. I appreciate that he wants to concentrate on offering the best theatrical experience possible, but a majority of his potential audience doesn't even have access to a top of the line theater.

[@AlexxxxxSaysHi]

You don't need top of the line equipment you need good equipment. Audio has been horrendously affected by the loudness wars, Leading to marketing selling more products than quality. People splash hundreds of dollars on the recent sony xm model whilst they could get a headphone with vastly better sound quality for 1/5 of the price. The problem isn't price and never has been but the lack of knowledge. You don't need a top of the line speaker set up to hear the voices in Tenet, you just need to avoid terrible soundbars made by brands that are more invested in marketing than audio! Hell, most mid range tvs have better speakers these days than the soundbars they are advertised with because there's a format war and so more care goes into TV speaker arrays than the dedicated audio products the big brands try to shift!

[@loganmedia4401]

@@AlexxxxxSaysHi Which noise cancelling headphones with much better sound quality cost one fifth of the Sony ones?

[@888pil]

i thought i was struggling to follow the plot because i couldn't freakin hear the dialogue so i rewatched it and realised i was struggling to follow the plot because i can't hear nolan's voice from so far up his own ass

[@WithinDeathLies]

LMAO

[@AAA-cc4pg]

🤣

[@stacklysm]

LOL

[@Ray03595]

😂😂

[@irrelevance3859]

Best summary

[@MrMyYoyo]

As a creative, I completely understand his reason, but as a consumer, I just won't watch his films in theaters anymore. I'll stream them at home with subtitles turned on, and enjoy the film in the way I want. I'm sure Nolan will respect my decision to do what I want, since he so brazenly enjoys doing things the way he wants.

[@onemorechris]

i agree

[@a.carneirozhu8104]

Also it does seem very snobbish and elitist of him to insist on ONLY catering to the best-of-the-best environments, which only _real_ cinema fans could understand. To me, at least, the point of filmmaking and art at large is often to bridge the gap between the universal and the specific, with the goal of having everyone find something special and meaningful to them in the art piece. So do us peasants who have neither the time nor the opportunity to visit high-end theatres not deserve his intended piece or its meaning? His choice to double down on the audio mixing is really baffling to me; the way he goes about it is just utterly contrarian to the essence of what it means to create art.

[@alalalala57]

Sounds bitter lol.

[@wonderboytheartist]

as a creative i dont understand. there is no real objective or reasoning for the choice.

[@NavyTrooperFenson]

@@a.carneirozhu8104 You put into words what I didn't dare to say before. Many movie artists have this elitist attitude where they make their art hard to access or completely inaccessible for ludicrous reasons. It's somewhat understandable with people like some cartoonists who have a real hard time making money off of their work since it is so short and takes so long to make but is thrown on sites like KZbin to be consumed in an instant. But someone who has made himself and can easily get funding like Nolan should be more respectful of being granted the chance to have his voice heard by so many more people than the average artist in any media. He should think more thoroughly about what he wants the world to experience. With his actions he kind of preserves the custom of going to watch movies in a theatre but is that really such a great custom to dedicate ones life to? He is special because he puts more attention towards visual effects and generally respects the art more than the average director nowadays but compared to the rest of history he is not that much better and merely a relic and reminder of better times.

[@ckotcher1]

Producer to Nolan: “Sir it seems nobody understands what the hell is going on in this movie. Nolan: “Is the soundtrack good?” Sound editor: “You bet!!!” Nolan: “Well then crank that $hit up! Solved!”

[@RainForest_Artzz.]

Lol

[@slayagex]

It is tho

[@DavidHeffron78]

Producer: sir it seems no one can understand what the hell is going on in this movie. Nolan: mwah mwah mwah Producer: what Nolan: I said I am the producer. Which is the problem.

[@grec.]

@@DavidHeffron78 😂 I saw what you did there...coz i couldn't hear it... 🤣

[@mrmax86]

In the scene at Freeport, I took the dialogue volume as an indication of how much Neil was paying attention to what he was saying. A representation of how much actually reached his brain.

[@tanaymody3390]

Wait there were dialogues in tenet I just thought everyone were just jamming to music while walking backwards

[@ironcladnomad5639]

I think the main point to carry away isn't that Nolan fans "finally opened up" about dialogue issues, it's that Tenet had dialogue issues above and beyond anything Nolan made previously. I didn't really have issues with Bane or the specified bits of Interstellar, but I have no trouble accepting that many other people could and did. But Tenet was the first time I had to restart any of Nolan's films within five minutes of my first viewing with subtitles switched on, and that's coming from someone who preferred the original version of TDKR's prologue.

[@kirikiri44695]

Idk the audio seemed fine to me

[@SolestroDerNarr]

TDKR = The Donkey kong returns?

[@Conflixx-92]

I don't see what the problem is with having subtitles on all the time. I have it enabled at all times in english even though it's not my main language. I just like reading what I'm hearing to enforce each other.

[@RNCHFND]

The biggest problem with Tenet is that it's his most confusing film. If you miss ONE line of dialogue, you keep thinking you don't understand the movie because of that line. I watched it at home with subtitles and still found it hard to understand

[@leocurious9919]

@@Conflixx-92 Just like a flickering light or an itch or ... having subtitles is distracting and can be very annoying.

[@super8bitvideos]

This is a real issue in bluray releases of his films. Since bluray was made for higher end home theaters, the range of audio levels are insane. Having to turn up almost to max to hear dialogue thats immediately followed by an absurd explosion or outburst from the actor.

[@sdaniaal]

I'd honestly watch that than view a Marvel/DC cashgrab where 80% of the dialog is a quip or a one-liner, some odd attempt to be funny or relatable that really just falls flat.

[@amberhernandez]

@@sdaniaal Is this how far we have to stretch to bring up Marvel hate now? Lmao

[@misham6547]

I think there should be two mixes, one compressed one uncompressed, so that you can have the dynamic range when you have setup and want it, but can get a compressed sound when you don't

[@Weeqat]

Can't you normalize sound in your player?

[@SilverSpoon_]

I watch BD rips on different systems, may it be a Yamaha surround amp, a Pioneer and a HK stereo, it's not abour equalizing or dynamic range, it's just to make noise.

[@RylanStorm]

Nolan doesn't understand that one of the worst things you can experience when watching a film is the need to sit there, finger on the remote control, continually adjusting the volume.

[@RylanStorm]

It's also worth pointing out that in those examples in older movies,.it's pretty clear you're not supposed to hear it. We're sat there in Tenet thinking "Am I supposed to hear this?" That's different.

[@RylanStorm]

Nvm... You covered that!

[@Dingbat2212]

Actually thats a common problem I'm noticing with modern movies, their dialog scenes are so god damm quite, then blare it up 100% in their action scenes and I find im flipping between 20 and 40 on my volume selection. Maybe its because I'm not running a surround sound but honestly if you can run mono on your stereo there should be a similar option for sound levels

[@pete49327]

Oh man, I hear ya! I just posted similar reply on how modern movie dialogue is getting harder and harder to undertand.

[@BluePieNinjaTV]

they certainly need to make a volume equaliser standard on all devices, or at least TVs

[@MabinogiChristianJ]

This essentially already exists - it's what compression/limiting is. Some laptops and TVs even have them already implemented in alternative audio settings (or, if you're very unlucky, default settings). What's more, TV channels have had compressed audio on films (for exactly the reasons you stated) for eons now. But everything comes with a cost, and the cost of compression tends to be fidelity. While dynamic range is a pain for the average viewer, the alternative is a worse sounding movie from a more objective standpoint. Distortion is a very real side-effect of doing this, although if done well most people would not notice. A bigger problem is this - if you've ever watched an action (or similarly loud) movie on a TV channel, and noticed a part where everything in a scene is supposed to be loud and the character is screaming and it almost sounds/feels like they're fake yelling, that's what compression does. If you've ever been watching a show or movie where you can hear the background noise dip out whenever the characters speak, then slowly begin to rise up again when nothing is going on, that too comes from compression. (Like I said, TV channels having been doing this for ages. I doubt (and I hope) that you'll ever see director's wanting to release their films this way though, because levels in sound are your go to, basic foundation for emotional impact. If everything sounds flat, the tone and emotional impact of that sound will be flat too. I also suspect that even average viewers can subconsciously tell that this effect sounds "cheap", the same way people feel overlighting is cheap, even though they probably wouldn't ever consciously recognize it. If you're familiar with the loudness war, the negative effect that had on a whole generation of music, and how many labels have reneged on that idea despite its surface level benefits, this would be a kind of similar thing.

[@BluePieNinjaTV]

@@MabinogiChristianJ except if the movie had the sound mastered correctly, this wouldn't be an issue. It's only a problem because movie makers insist on having a high dynamic range when it's possible to limit it and still get a similar effect without compressing the audio.

[@MabinogiChristianJ]

@@BluePieNinjaTV I probably should have made it more clear that the first point in my last paragraph is the most important. Flat sound is ineffective mixing. Dynamic range is prioritized because it should be prioritized. I mean, surely not every single pro sound mixer in both the film and music industry are just somehow totally unaware that they could use less dynamic range. They've all chosen to use almost as much as possible, and chosen so very intentionally. As I said before, leveling is the foundation of emotion and impact for sound. Essentially volume=importance. The closer the important sounds or moments are in volume to the unimportant sounds/moments, the more insignificant they begin to feel. Like any other medium, the key is in context - how things feel next to each other.

[@raccoonja-ronja]

Making dialogue that isn't supposed to be heard is fine, but in alot of these scenes it's just bad. Not only because of different theatres, but also because some people just can't hear as good as others. Due to an operation of my right eardrum when I was four, I have sometimes troubles understanding things comming from that side. It's not that bad and I don't notice it most of the time, only when listening to quiet dialougue on top of other sound effects or music. Plus English also isn't my first language, so I have to listen closely when they explain stuff with lots of unusual words anyways. So when I watched Tenet I eventually gave up on trying to understand the dialogue. I mean you can understand most of the movie without any dialogue, but it makes you feel like you missed out on half the movie.

[@collinwoolford783]

I can understand this might be an issue if you’re in the theaters but just use subtitles if you’re at home and have hearing problems

[@nouidle]

I think it's only logical for a bad movie to have a bad audio.

[@lagunacinematics]

@@collinwoolford783 sure and he prob does, but that doesnt mean Tenet doesnt have bad/inane mixing.

[@simplegarak]

I feel ya. Some childhood problems have damaged my hearing as well. I often tell people - "how tenet sounded to you, is how the whole world sounds to me every day"

[@johnm91326]

If you can’t hear or don’t understand English go to a showing with subtitles. Basically all big theatres have them. Dumbing down movie dialogue to avoid ‘unusual words’ would be stupid.

[@contemplativegirl21]

I had a philosophy professor in grad school who would whisper to the point of near unintelligibility - he later told us he did this deliberately to be sure we were paying attention, since discussing lofty ideas for hours on end can encourage bordem and the mind wandering. Basically, he used that as a tactic to enforce active listening. Not sure of Nolan's intentionality, but I definitely try to pay attention to keep up with what's happening in his films.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

thats the dumbest thing i read in this whole comment section

[@contemplativegirl21]

@@TheSuperappelflap LOL, what a feat! I wasn't attempting to make a smart comment, just relating a parallel situation. Thanks for your thoughtful response!

[@glipk]

Nolan is a hack just like philosophy courses at college

[@glipk]

@@TheSuperappelflap your reply is the dumbest thing I have ever read

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@glipk wow, the op didnt get mad about it, but you got offended for them, 2021 right here ladies and gents.

[@Punkandcannonballer]

I think the issue is that with the examples where I think the dialogue being drowned by sound worked, the sound was diegetic (coming from a source the characters could hear), so it made sense that we weren't supposed to hear it. Tenet uses both diegetic and non-diegetic sounds to mask dialogue, so it's a bit confusing when we're supposed to know what's being said and when we aren't, especially when a lot of the dialogue that's being masked is exposition.

[@farexponent9173]

Nice pfp

[@Punkandcannonballer]

@@farexponent9173 Thanks bro!

[@IrisCorven]

I was a projectionist for over a decade. When Dunkirk and Tenet released, I received memos saying that the speaker systems had to be cranked to a certain level. A level that's about twice what we consider the maximum for our auditoriums. Because they want the "experience" to be a certain way. I acquiesced, until midway through the opening weekend, when I had so many complaints over the radio that guests were coming up to the guest services desk about the loudness, and even people in adjoining auditoriums angry that the sound effects were actually drowning out dialogue in THEIR film. I'm not a huge fan of Nolan, for the amount of bullshit I had to put up with for those releases.

[@shaw5240]

Haha

[@m.b.9019]

Yes, I remember this from our local cinema. I have never had such a loud audio level. Our ears hurt.

[@bzqp2]

"It's a WAR movie, I want to see the speakers EXPLODE!!!"

[@GS0CK6]

People just want to watch avengers and spider-man hence the hate for Nolan. God forbid some one does something different from the cookie cutter world yall live in.

[@adamsmith-wi3qg]

I saw Blade Runner 2049 twice in 1 week in the same theater. First time it was uncomfortably loud, second time was just right. I didn't realize staff had the ability to adjust things to that degree. I'll just say - no one has ever complained that a movie wasn't loud enough...

[@lorkhan610]

My TENET cinema experience was the worst cinema experience I ever had. I am not a native english speaker and after nearly 45 minutes of the movie I for the first time in my life left the cinema while the movie was still running. I felt really bad, even kind of worthless because I thought my english was shit (my friend was with me, and she understood way more than me). So after the evening was ruined we went to a dubbed version of the movie in my mother language the next day. So after watching this video here I feel kind of relieved that it's not entirely "my fault" and I'm not the only one with this problem. I will someday rewatch the movie, this time at home with subtitles...

[@AAA-cc4pg]

American here and couldn’t understand a thing except for the first 20 minutes

[@serhafiye7046]

Damn your day is ruined! I felt bad for you Just forget it because you won't understand the movie anyway, Nolan said " i cropped 4 hours of material" so we have got almost nothing, kind of funny. It reminds me Dark Souls lore lol. It gives you just a few parts and waits you to understand all the story

[@brislanemanhaha]

I ended up walking out in the 1st 20 minutes because its was so loud it was hurting our ears

[@mragunathan1627]

English is my first language and I could barely understand a word too. Nolan really screwed up with the sound mixing . Fucking shocking.

[@corynn.l5146]

That's completely fine. This movie was stupid anyway. Didn't make any sense and the story was dense

[@johnnyandrews5336]

I saw Tenet on IMAX. Huge problems with some dialogue scenes. Then I saw it in a standard theatre, and the sound mix was just the same. Even with my knowledge of the film by that point, I still had issues guessing what they were saying. 3rd viewing at home was much better, and made use of the sub track too. I love Nolan but this isn’t the way to make films.

[@zebbleganubi723]

same here, second time watching at home with the subtitles it made way more sense!

[@rogerwilco2]

If you need to guess at important information as a movie viewer, then the director is doing it wrong.

[@demorez5]

a literally never in my life seen a movie without without subtitles, so I never realized this issue

[@ev6558]

"who is right, Nolan or the audience." Uhhhh, we just gonna ignore all the other filmmakers who have also told Christopher Nolan that it's generally a good idea if people can actually hear what the characters in your movies are saying? Seems like it's more a question of who is right: Christopher Nolan or literally everyone else.

[@StrongestCreatureOnEarth]

Where have you seen other film makers commenting on the audio mix of Nolan's films? Genuinely curious cause I want to watch it

[@IngvarMar]

@@StrongestCreatureOnEarth 12:27 it was mentioned here. Nolan himself said that apparently

[@estoylaroca]

Nolan, one of the best filmmakers in recent history... is being given advice by average film makers? If Nolan wanted to produce a generic film, he would. But is Nolan known for making movies like that? If Nolan wanted to be like "literally everyone else", he wouldn't be where he is right now.

[@NeptuneSega]

@@estoylaroca his films ate the Hollywood cookie cutter. Don't see this "genius"

[@estoylaroca]

@@NeptuneSega His films being blockbuster films, numerous awards, high amount of sales. You not seeing it, is a testament to your ignorance. Facts don't need your interpretation.

[@hamgelato8143]

if the film and sound design can't convey the intention to the audience clearly (like those 2 example you choose), that's not pushing boundary, that's patronizing and condescending hide behind 'artistic choice' and 'tune for the best cinema'

[@localkauf]

And incredibly frustrating

[@zerolelouch22]

The question isn’t “does this convey the intention” because it’s subjective. The question is, how does it make you feel? You may not like it but that’s subjective. Movies are an art, not science

[@localkauf]

@@zerolelouch22 yeah and a lot of people subjectively feel that tenet failed in the sound aspect. That counts for something, even if others aren't bothered by the sound mix

[@hamgelato8143]

@@zerolelouch22 I don't think anyone here would disagree movies are an art form and not science, and when I say 'convey the intention' I meant whether should I hear the line properly, does this matter in terms of the movie going forward plot wise, this 'intention' should be convey clearly in the way you master the audio. If a large proportion of your audience are getting frustrated because they can't hear the dialogue when they think they should, unless he's trying to confuse the audience intentionally (which I don't think that's the case here) , then to me that's failed to 'convey the intention', not an artistic choice.

[@zerolelouch22]

@@hamgelato8143 fuck that. They can get the movie on their own and turn on the subtitles. I go watch shirt avenger movies in the films but you don’t hear me whine about the lack of plot or literal interest, but I know what I’m getting when I go watch marvel movies. I hate the idea that someone has to bend their vision because people don’t find it commercial consumable. It’s confusing which is true but again, when was the last time you watched inception and actually understood it all? Maybe I’m just dumb but I disagree that coherently understanding the plot is all that matters

[@adamcampbell9905]

"you have to watch nolan movies in an expensive exclusive theater to actually enjoy it" is a huge argument against nolan as a director

[@CallMeBees]

no

[@jessiejanson1528]

Frankly, i think this also goes to show that hes a massive snob. There is absolutely no reason he couldnt do the sound in two ways, one for the 70mm imax with perfect audio systems that cant be heard in other theaters, and another version just for the other theaters where the audio can be heard there. Him avoiding such a simple solution to bring his film to people to enjoy can only mean he doesnt want people to enjoy it unless they can afford to go a 70mm imax theater. and for the record, i had no issue with the audio choices in his other movies though sometimes certain dialog gets drowned out a bit too much. something to consider, if a character is talking to someone and they can hear them, we should be able to as well unless like in tenat the person is ignoring what someone is saying so even they cant hear them. it may ultimately come down to "hes made some good movies and some bad movies and while this technique can be useful, he can sometimes be bad at using it." not every director is good at everything and he just wants to pretend hes amazing and knows what hes doing. also worth considering, directors have an important role, but their job isnt the entire movie, the script and actors are just as important. Some of his audio choices are great, but realistically... is he really even bringing that much to the table? if another director had made these movies would they have been worse or better? Hopefully he learns from all the people crapping on his poor choices, but considering hes a snob, that wouldnt even happen even if he stopped beign hired and people stopped seeing his films, hes the type of person that would blame the audience for being too poor to see his movie in a imax theater.

[@CallMeBees]

@@jessiejanson1528 writing 5 paragraphs because you're seething that you can't afford a luxury good and then shitting on the creator. I'm glad bitter small people like you won't be sitting next to me at the premiere.

[@churro6160]

classist

[@justinlevy274]

In my area it costs like 5 more dollars. Hardly prohibitive.