A History of Cut Street Fighter Characters and Designs

[@Knightmare1212]

The reason the shirt was changed is more likely to avoid copyright infringement from the clothing brand Zubaz, which is the same reason the character is called The Baz, with Zubaz taken off his shirt in all of his indie game appearances.

[@sadowolf]

Yup, came to say this. And Zubaz was very popular in the 90s, which is probably why it ended up on his shirt in the sketch.

[@SmashBrosOdyssey64]

The clothing brand Zubaz was at one point also co-owned by The Road Warriors/Legion of Doom, basically the inspiration for every face painted mohawked wrestler you see in fiction.

[@HeartAino193]

Well, how would you react if "The Baz" design in Street Fighter 2 became a whiplashing heavy metal Japanese wrestler with a Hayao Miyazaki-like face named Zabuza the Bazooka?

[@sadowolf]

@@SmashBrosOdyssey64 Oh wow, I didn't know they co-owned Zubaz! Makes sense considering the pants are like all they wore outside of the ring haha. Interesting too because while you can say they inspired a lot of face-painted mohawked wrestlers, they and many others were directly inspired by Mad Max, including Demolition, The Master Blasters, Mad Maxine, and Lord Humongous.

[@julanrios548]

Roach dog jr

[@l.o.l7049]

23:04 Honestly when it comes to king Cobra it feels like they struck gold, kept digging and hit a septic tank

[@RetrOrigin]

Hard disagree. The last thing SF needs is another bland looking shoto variant wearing a Gi.

[@DaDonroy101]

@@RetrOrigin "shoto variant" bro what part of martial arts fused with break dancing says shoto? He could have been like a mixup rushdown, hell if it's the gi that's the bad part he would have had alt costumes. This is 1000x better than fucking rufus

[@alwaysxnever]

Right?! Instead he got another blonde white guy from America like that is all America has. 😅​@@DaDonroy101

[@DaDonroy101]

@@alwaysxnever like literally the only special thing about rufus is is he is fat, and I guess comic relief? But I can't take him seriously as a rival for Ken, like Ryu and Sagat have this awesome rivalry that dates back so far and Ken has almost nothing else other than Ryu

[@RetrOrigin]

@@DaDonroy101 ​ Still looks just as bland and generic as characters like Sean and Luke. I'm also not defending Rufus in any way shape or form, SFIV has some terrible designs for sure. King Cobra just seems insanely forgettable. Jamie is now supposed to be the character with break dancing influences anyway.

[@freddyalejo1657]

The Pizza Assassin one made me think of her on the job at a pizza place in Italy when a shady costumer comes in and not only orders a pizza but also delivers her information on her next target, which she accepts with a bubbly smile on her face.

[@AutumnWoodham]

Costumer: One meat lovers, double the toppings, hold the sauce. Code for: Human traffickers, two targets, make it clean.

[@Mimi._.Haruno_]

​@@AutumnWoodham LMFAO she would make a really good main character 😭

[@chaosriders79]

she kills the target in 30 minutes or the jobs free

[@cooltrainervaultboy-39]

​@@AutumnWoodham Damn, that's pretty clever.

[@shadowclaw7210]

@@AutumnWoodhamthats just John Wick, but make it goofy. I’m honestly all for it. Also imagine whenever her arcade epilogue starts. It will always look cheerful and cute. But then internal monologue adds whole evil/dangerous filter. With her explaining what those orders are.

[@u_salty_bro5617]

The funniest thing about Zubaz is that he’s gotten bigger than even his origin as part of the SBFP community, the guys have gone on record saying some of his most recent appearances don’t even have anything to do with them and now it’s just developers putting him into their games since he’s essentially public domain at this point

[@sasha1mama]

Brilliant.

[@hambor12]

Zubaz truly is the people’s champion

[@mr.checkyourself4672]

King Cobra being scrapped is a big mistake on Capcom he look to be a very threatening character and him being a rival to Ken would have been interesting their fights could have been so intense like Ryu and Sagat fights this a very missed opportunity.

[@thetruej7872]

Agreed. King Cobra looks really cool. It would be cool if they brought him to Street Fighter 6.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

Bring him back, Capcom! :) Though, then again. Breakdancing and Kung-Fu is kinda Jamie's thing now. He's kinda lost his niche.

[@pn2294]

Honestly, he looks generic to me.

[@akilcharles3473]

@@pn2294 Yeah to be honest he kinda looks to basic looking even looking like another palette swap shoto, God as if we already haven't enough of those.

[@donkeydarko77]

Japan's history with Black characters is...🤨

[@uhobme2028]

Seeing who Cobra's Design eventually turned into felt like a bomb went off Late to the party by a decade but I'm mad now

[@gbrodie49]

The name Dick Jumpsey being an obvious homage to Jack Dempsey, but still ridiculous. Love you, Capcom.

[@jackmcslay]

Making another character they probably changed into another final SF2 character, M. Bison, just to then shuffle the name and instead of being a homage to a then-active boxer he instead ended up named after a demon in the LOTR books outside Japan

[@TheRealPoppaNickles]

The grappler who’s entire identity having an attractive wife must have somehow made his way to SF4 as Hakan.

[@genericasianperson6405]

He has his oil his wife doesn't matter

[@Lozzu]

CAN YOU FEEL THE STORM? ZUBAZ IS COMING

[@davidcurameng]

Mark of The Early 90s. Fury. Fatal. 🙃

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

Zaibatsu!

[@cordellriemer5177]

I will be an instant Zubaz main if that happens

[@KurstKensei]

ROPE WHIPS! LEATHER STRAPS! A SUITCATCHER BEARD! AND A RIPPED GYM SHIRT WITH THE WORD "ZUBAZ" CAN YOU FEEL THE STORM? ITS COMING!!!!!

[@gexianhen]

We can make him our avatar figther in 6😅

[@MetaKnuxXbeats]

That evil magician girl that was a student of Rose and is also trying to kill her I would love to see in the future as a rival to Menat. Maybe she was a student that Rose would see as “her greatest failure” and would never mention her to Menat so I think it would be interesting to see how Menat and this failed student would interact.

[@enavy04]

Hey, it's soul power! The evil magician girl could be Menat's evil side that split off, something akin to King Piccolo. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Fenris30]

Streetfighter needs more Rivals.

[@Chconroy]

My big takeaway from Menat is that the character we got is great and I wouldn't want her gone, but now I want her older designs (namely "Rita") to become separate characters. Let's get justice for Pizza Assassin!

[@arandomguyontheinternet2308]

It’s sad that we had all of those yet still got Lucia

[@mightywaranvil2912]

P--Pizza...PIZZA TOWER? *shot with extreme prejudice* But yeah, I hope the Irish/Italian-looking pizza gal finally exists again. Unused character concepts are always fun!

[@GlitchanBlack]

@@arandomguyontheinternet2308 I mean, at least she's another popular character from a Final Fight sequel.

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@nonspiderweb]

I love the idea behind Rita, but I really want the evil magician character to become canon. I LOVE the idea of a female street magician who uses playing cards as weapons. Like a fusion between Gambit and Zattana if she were a member of a street gang!

[@moxbby4585]

Yknow I already didn't like Rufus but finding out about King Cobra has me absolutely HEARTBROKEN. His fur lined gi and implied personally is immediately charming. Mix that with SF also severely lacking black rep and I am hurting

[@frozenvoltz6739]

"Mix that with SF also severely lacking black rep and I am hurting" Black characters have been a part of SF since SF1 what are you talking about?

[@moxbby4585]

@@frozenvoltz6739 yeah on second thought I was definitely wrong about that, especially with SF6. King Cobra still would've been a very welcome addition though

[@sasha1mama]

I thought that myself. I mean yeah, KC was a little memey/typecasty, but he woulda been miles better than Doofus.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

​@@sasha1mama the break dancing fighting idea that's been around since forever.

[@HeartAino193]

@@frozenvoltz6739 SF1 - Mike SF2 - Balrog & Dee Jay SF3 - Elena Anyone I missed?

[@UnknownMaster-go1lh]

Great video! There are a couple things I’ve noticed while watching though. - The original wrestling character of SF2 using a “Strong” style is, to me, almost guaranteed to mean “Strong Style Wrestling.” Strong Style is the traditionally Japanese form of pro wrestling that is making it seem more real by, pretty much, beating the shit out of your opponent. Of course not legitimately trying to hurt or injure your opponents, but it makes those matches much more impactful. Modern day wrestler Shinsuke Nakamura is even nicknamed “The King of Strong Style.” - The Zubaz name being removed is most definitely not because some guys at Capcom knew about The Baz, but instead for the same reason that “The Baz” name exists: Legality. Zubaz is the name of a clothing company which was popular in the 90’s. The company is still around today and the name on the character is likely just giving an idea of what it might look like or is inspired by. The reason The Baz name exists is because whoever would try to use the Zubaz name would almost immediately get sued.

[@RazorsEdge701]

I was about to make a similar comment about the origins of the name Zubaz. Since it already exists, I'll just add the following: When Zubaz brand workout pants were first invented, they were heavily associated with the pro wrestling tag-team the Road Warriors, who wear facepaint just like The Baz does.

[@leonlegend]

Nakamura has gone soft in recent years

[@UnknownMaster-go1lh]

@@RazorsEdge701 I never actually connected the dots with the Road Warriors connection, that’s sick! Makes sense too, massive tag team in Japan.

[@MarsYaco]

to clear up something fairly minor in this video, i assume tahir meyer's fighting style being described as "strong" style refers to a type of japanese wrestling known as strong style, which involves a lot of heavy and impactful strikes mixed with technical grappling and submissions. again, it's something minor but it kind of gives you a better idea of what it could be with him being a wrestler and all

[@BoibiTheWeak]

I seriously want to see Rita become a playable character in SF6. I would love to play a soul-powered otaku delinquent.

[@edgarlozada3858]

If having reference many mangas/animes is quite hard. Then they could make her a Capcom fan. Have her like she grew up playing old Capcom games because of her parents, and now she's got the fascination for the company. Of course Final Fight and Rival Schools would have to be excluded to not cause a Paradox or something, but it's an idea.

[@roguebanshee]

@@edgarlozada3858 They could easily just have the various Capcom games from the entire Street Fighter universe exist in universe as officially licensed games, similar to the NBA, WWE, UFC, FIFA , Nascar, etc. games.

[@opadrip]

We almost got Goku canon to Street Fighter.

[@SUPERSONICGIRLIFY]

I mean, we do have a redhead Italian in Marisa. ...THAT MENAT TO MARISA PIPELINE

[@kokoro_gospel]

​​@@edgarlozada3858 Don't Street Fighter, Final Fight, and Rival Schools share the same universe? I'm trying to understand where the time paradox would come in to play in this scenario. Also, now that I think about it, having Rita as a part of this cast, with this context, would be similar in some ways to Kamala's origin story in Marvel's Avengers.

[@BeeBN]

"see no evil" goes so hard I LOVE that design

[@greatestutuberhd]

I thought the Zubaz text was removed because its a real clothing brand Same reason why hes called "The Baz" in other games

[@fignuts1982]

Yeah, pretty sure this is the case. I rocked zubaz all the time when I was a kid.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

Yep. It would be nice if You Tubers did some actual research before making videos.

[@MaeSteRWaR]

I agree, I loved that game. Would love to see some join the SF roster or get a sequel.

[@MustachioedBear]

21:10 from what I seen in old articles about that early Abel design he is still a boy not a girl. He is supposed to be a boy mistaken for a girl, but I guess they pulled it off so well that lots of people just think he is a girl. Here is the quote I saw "With Abel, we wanted to make someone representative of 'the weak can beat the strong,' and so he was originally a small judo character who could be mistaken for a girl."

[@csurname]

Cute that they turned that around to someone who looks strong and isn't

[@doodoo2065]

​@@csurname 💀

[@kellymountain]

so, just Bridget 2?

[@Dalehan]

I don't know how well-known Killer Instinct was in Japanese arcades, but KI's Riptor predates both SF3's unnamed raptor and Tekken 2's Alex, since that game was released in arcades in 1994.

[@thepulseman7154]

What's pretty interesting is that Ringal was in Star Gladiator, and the Fourth Empire's Radar Site, where you would fight the character most of the time in the arcade ladder, has a musical theme that starts with the same chord progression as Killer Instinct's main theme, though otherwise remains very different. Other cool musical stuff: though I don't think they ripped-off any Tekken design for SFIII, there is a case to be made in how dynamic music change between rounds in Third Strike is similar in how it is implemented in the arcade version of Tekken 3. There is also a case to be made between Jin's arcade theme from Tekken 3 and Jamie's theme from SF6, though again we're talking inspiration, not plagiarism.

[@sigzyarchive1223]

That’s what I was thinking when he was talking about Alex 😂😂

[@dontknowdontknow9769]

nope Riptor is clearly a jurassic park reference difficult to predate a character that don't exist Alex was instead a roger ironically Riptor is more closed to the velociraptor of the anime

[@ridleyroid9060]

And neither are fucking velociraptors! Nor Deinonychus, they aren't even dinosaurs. I hate that jurassic park design and its propagation to this day, just the pronanted hands send me into fits. Im glad that the character never saw the light of day.

[@marcbraun5342]

Rufus really looks as if he was designed overnight. King Cobra looks awesome, I would love to have seen him in the game, he even looks like main-material and a way better rival to Ken. A rival should be visibly similar to whom he rivals and King Cobra is close enough to Ken to be that. 33:28 This kind of looks like Yua from the World Tour Mode from SF6,...a bit...

[@Chowder_T]

Learning about cut characters is a double edged sword. On one hand you get to learn about cool characters and on the other you really wish they made some of these cool characters

[@ridleyroid9060]

And then you see how many bad designs get canned along the way lmao.

[@teddie.647]

The see, speak, and hear no evil characters could fit perfectly into a phoenix wright game lol

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

even the one with a monkey humping his face?

[@RockNRollHorrorshow]

33:45 CAPCOM I BEG OF YOU REALIZE THIS DESIGN SOME DAY FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY

[@XmortoxX1990]

Holy shit! They could turn most of Juri's concept art into actual skins. Some of them look amazing

[@Venom_V1]

10:19 Actually most likely the real reason for the zubaz getting erased is that zubaz is actually a clothing brand synonymous with wrestling so probably fearing a lawsuit for their 30th anniversary art gallery they covered the text

[@ogopogoagogo]

The See No Evil design sounds like something straight out of Bobobo-Bo-Bo-BoBo...I love it.

[@blizz44]

I love the cut designs for Menat. They're very cool, and Menat is one of my favorite newcomers to SFV

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@yokokuramaful]

Fascinating how much of SF2's roster was almost a Baki the Grappler fangame, down to multiple of those cut characters

[@integra8472]

SFV’s “Puck Bunny” is so funny to me because that term is typically meant to denote someone who knows nothing about hockey but hangs around the rink because the guys are hot

[@Stickmanlolz]

I love how each and every potential design for Menat, even up to Pizza Assasin is fire not a single one looked bad

[@MHSchonberg]

I say this as a big fan of Menat who loves her design - I would kill to see Rita and Pizza Assassin return someday. Those are just fun silly designs I would love to see more of. I also say this as a… not a fan, but someone who still mildly likes Rufus - just bring back King Cobra already. They’re different characters at this point too canonically, as Capcom made official art for him in the SF5 cycle. Make it official.

[@ajayusspiritus6955]

I hope they put some of these concept characters in the background because it would be super funny

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@advisingassable]

Menats concept art "sisters" could become their own characters practically (pizza assasin & soulpowered otaku being standouts) And King Cobra would be a great adition , hope they revisit his design & make him official sadly there is no official art of him from what i can find so he is not canon.. yet!

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

She might turn up in the corner of your eye when eating at a KFP restaurant.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Fun fact that's kinda relevant: Ton Poo from the Strider series was the base for Chun Li. Shoutouts to the real og Chinese Empress of Capcom.

[@edgarlozada3858]

That wrestler with a Tiger Mask is clearly inspire by the actual Tiger Mask wrestler that even had a pretty succesful manga and anime.

[@Dxsmp]

Yup I agree

[@enzoponce1881]

Guess SNK nabbed the inspiration before capcom (ramon)

[@joshthefunkdoc]

There are a good number of video game characters based on Tiger Mask, most famously King from Tekken. Among 80s wrestlers he's up there with Riki Choshu in terms of name recognition among the average person in Japan, so that shouldn't be too surprising.

[@MegaChickenfish]

20:23 There reaches a point where it goes beyond "alternate character designs" and is just "we at Capcom just really like drawing art of this character; she's awesome."

[@thetruej7872]

I love looking at concept arts. Street Fighter is one of my favorite to look at. Juri Han and Menat has the coolest looking concept arts

[@RoadKamelot2nd]

This video makes me want to take a look at designs scrapped by Arc System Works. ASW's official designs are some of the wildest. I can only imagine what their cut characters look like.

[@probablyjinxed]

the weirdest scrapped designs here are some of the most basic arcsys character designs lmao.

[@coronbrown9238]

Yeah I’m upset. We need King Cobra. And I can’t say this enough. I love that there is someone else out in this world that respect Rival School like you do. I hope Batsu and others make an appearance in 6.

[@pn2294]

Why?

[@coronbrown9238]

@@pn2294 why what?

[@TheShockVox]

@@coronbrown9238he thinks King Cobra looks generic, based on another comment he made. So I’m guessing he means why do we need King Cobra. Which I disagree, King Cobra looks sick and I’ll never forgive that he became Rufus

[@Bloodletter8]

I only just learned about him from this video. The fact that he was thrown out in favor of fucking Rufus is perplexing at best and just insulting at its worst.

[@coronbrown9238]

@@TheShockVox naw the story line itself and he’s look made me hype. I highly disagree. There a few others in this video I wouldn’t mind coming back and/or being a shoutout with dlc clothing.

[@aRBy125]

Asuka & Rita seem like neat concepts that could fit in the world SF6 seems to be building. Also to bounce off what someone in the comments were saying, King Cobra coming back would be neat, but it seems like the "breakdancing fighter" schtick seems to have been more or less taken by Jamie. Also I was thinking of legacy characters that could come into SF6 in the future, an older Tiffany could be an awesome Rival School rep. She's one of the more popular characters from that series yet to be playable in another game now that Akira showed up in 5, haha.

[@HeartAino193]

Well, I'd like to vision that the older Tiffany would look like her Street Fighter 3 promo art design. For Asuka, she could be Makoto's little sister resembling one of Makoto's early designs and for more hypothetical Rita lore, she could tell Marisa that she could lift up an entire city with her pinky finger much like how overpowered anime characters could pick up things way bigger and heavier than themselves. The anime characters that Rita's skills could take influence from would be Shonen Jump protagonists mainly Son Goku (Dragon Ball), Yusuke Urameshi (Yu Yu Hakusho) and Jotaro Kujo (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure). What do you think?

[@DSan-kl2yc]

​@@HeartAino193 Asuka wouldn't need to be related to anyone I think. I mean the designs are good enough or far apart enough, to not need it.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

I was thinking of roy when he was talking about presidents and Tiffany. Roy becomes a president in the future. But he could be a representative in the present. And Tiffany was his bodyguard in one of the endings.

[@aRBy125]

@@DSan-kl2yc Heh, I think mentioned something like this in one of the reply chains somewhere, so I'm definitely on the same wavelength with you there!

[@HeartAino193]

@@DSan-kl2yc well I could vision Roy to be a Californian representative as well as being a former San Francisco 49er because he was in his school's football team.

[@kolkkoartist]

as an artist i find un used concept art as great source of inspirtion and endless pool of potential "one man's trash is another man's treasure"

[@EmilinkoHoward]

Same

[@MysticaRealms]

Exactly my thoughts 😅

[@MustachioedBear]

33:10 pretty sure most of the designs featured here are for Neo Shadaloo chatacters and not M.Bison Shadaloo. You can see some of them wearing Ed's costume which he only started wearing AFTER Bison died and Shadaloo fell. From what i can piece together Ed, as the leader of Neo Shadaloo, has his own Four Heavenly Kings which we see in his story ending in SFV. And some of the designs were for who the other 3 kings around Ed could be. The 3 monkies thing makes more sense that way. I think though some of these characters can still be used as members of Neo Shadaloo just not as the main 4 at the top.

[@fireknuckles1932]

We need more Rival Schools characters in Street Fighter and I know Batsu and Tiffany will eventually get in they are too popular besides Akira to not get in Street Fighter but Akira is just the beginning.

[@internetera1523]

Just a reminder that they would all be in their late 30s

[@ninologic5328]

I always liked shoma. I hope he gets at least a cameo eventualy.

[@chidaluokoro9104]

we need a new rival school

[@JC_1000]

@@internetera1523 They would be late 20s not 30s

[@PhenomsServant4]

Tiffany seems like one of the easiest RS characters to transition into SF. Combine Dudley and Mika's moveset boom your done.

[@eggguy20]

The whole Zubaz being a mysterious character that shows up in any indie game made me think back to a fighting game fanart concept where every character was a background character, characters that never made it in a game, original characters trying to become official characters and characters that are extremely unlikely to be in an official game due to licensing issues in the ultimate fighting game where the tagline was "The fighting game nobody believed"

[@TheAmazingSpiderPunk]

11:10 I am pretty sure it's because the Zubaz on his shirt was almost identical to the Zubaz logo of the clothing company. I'm pretty sure it's also why in guest appearances he's called "The Baz" as well. Zubaz was a fairly popular clothing company in the early 90s when the concept art would have originally been made, but while they might not be a household name today, the company still exists and presumably would protect their trademark if the actual name Zubaz was used in any game.

[@Shiro-mk3sv]

From Menat and Juri's numerous great designs , to King Cobra and Zubaz's interesting stories , this was a great video , keep up the great content !

[@marioaustin9312]

The saga of king cobra to Rufus reminds me of the simpsons episode where homer sees a cool tv character with the same name as his ,only to later change him into a doofus.

[@SpawnofOmega]

I really liked this video. Learning about alphas, betas, and cut content is so fascinating to me about a game. This was fun to see the different directions characters and games took and this was a really fun and well researched video. I’d love to see a series covering other games (fighting or otherwise) from you. Keep up the amazing work

[@tw1c_]

If pizza assassin eventually gets into a street fighter game I will die a happy man. that design is TOO amazing.

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@Darkcur]

Gotta admit i actually love the idea and design of See No Evil guy 35:13

[@sol-dono1235]

It is crazy how many viable designs juri had

[@overmused]

Zubaz is a type of pants. They are typically wavey and full of weird and wild colors, and were super popular for wrestlers to wear in the 80s and 90s. Likely why the name was removed: it's a brand!

[@devonteedwards2093]

I do like these old concept art of the characters,I kinda fell in love with some of the scraped characters

[@gregvs.theworld451]

King Kobra definitely needs to be playable, that design is straight 🔥🔥🔥

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Honestly seeing all the previous ideas before F.A.N.G. makes me kinda appreciate him more because the previous ideas are just so out of place working for Bison. Half of them would feel kinda insulting to make into villains...

[@arandomguyontheinternet2308]

The Malaysian woman was far better than fang but the other ones YIKES

[@GenericProtagonist118]

@@arandomguyontheinternet2308 I'd like to reiterate that the "3 Monkeys" characters kinda fit but were way too weird but the fact they almost considered a small Inuit Child and a Hawaiian Mom to work with the Evil Terrorist organization is just... no... just no....

[@reececollins9212]

Yeah I doubt “Kid who’s dressed for the snow” would look like a good top henchmen for M.Bison

[@deco7217]

I think Indian Superstar could've worked. The money he gets from his live performances could go to Shadaloo or something. The character that is good on the outside, evil on the inside type of deal

[@SeymoreSparda]

@@GenericProtagonist118 Unless, those good characters got mind-controlled by Bison, just like how Ken was, in the SF2 Animated movie. And then they get their spell broken individually as the game finishes, and then they'll turn into playable cahracters for the next game/DLC. Also, I think the child got turned into Lily, after all these years. Come one, her throwing capabilities is astonishing, to say the least!

[@powerprotoman]

the refresher on king cobra made me realize something about street fighter 5, they did that shit agaiin with an existing character yeah remember when birdie wasnt a fat guy? at this point im convinced that it was ono who suggested making king cobra overweight because ono is gone and suspiciously theres no random comedy fat guy in the roster of 6

[@raymondmcmahon2037]

I would like to input on Tahir Meyer being a wrestler with a "strong style" I believe this may refer to the Japanese strong style professional wrestling where they worked out that the best way to look like you're hitting each other really hard is to actually hit each other really hard.

[@an0n-1o1]

33:27 when my brother and I first saw this we were both like "AWWWWWW 🥺" before immediately getting mad at Capcom for scrapping this design

[@Tinyrocket]

...No wonder why we ended up with F.A.N.G. Some of these scrapped Shadaloo characters made him look normal in comparison. Overall, this was a fun ride to go through. It really shows how much Street Fighter had gone through in terms of character designs and I admitted wanted to see some of the scrapped ones in a mainline. (Except for the Beast Man and the guy who has the "world's strongest scabs" of course).

[@arandomguyontheinternet2308]

Cmon Malaysian girl was awesome and you know it

[@Xetyou]

The concept of "See no evil, Hear no Evil, and speak no evil" sounds interesting... but why did they make them that of all things?!

[@OwO377]

@@Xetyou that a very good question. heck these two from the "speak no evil and hear no evil" possible as a villain characters by design itself but the "see no evil" person is very weird a literally monkey grab person face and that person can't see but monkey can see and sound very meta if something else i had nothing to said that.

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

I think that F.A.N.G.'s biggest issue wasn't his design, but the way he was written and animated. I think that the character design is okay, but the way he moves and flaps his arms around constantly just makes him look like a small child wearing his dad's clothes. I could legitimately see the design working if they made him come across as cold and calculated, leaning into a more mysterious angle, but instead they decided that they wanted to double down on the idea that the sleeves were like wings and decided that every scene needed him to flap his arms and never stop pacing around and spinning. Honestly, he should have spent most of the game perched on a high ledge ominously, silently observing and waiting for a moment when his target was at a disadvantage. I feel like the visual design implies that he should be kind of like a mix between a spitting cobra and vulture: swooping in to fend off bruised and beaten fighters with his poison attacks to incapacitate them before dragging incapacitated fighters away to an unknown location to create a supply of test subjects for Bison's latest run of experiments. I guess that they wanted a comic relief character, but they completely failed to take advantage of the fact that the design is legitimately unsettling (his proportions are really uncanny and freakish with his strange, distended face and enormous monster hands. He should really have been much more cold and calculated, kind of showing up in the background during the story mode for the most part and having his motivations be less explicit until the late game, which would be when you actually saw him fight and got a good look at him for the first time.) Crucially, my imagined version barely speaks and definitely doesn't spend scenes bickering with the other two sub bosses whilst never standing still. I know that mute characters can be a bit overdone in fighting games, but F.A.N.G. really would have had so much more going for him with most of his dialogue removed and maybe even having no vocal cords at all. If you're familiar with Dr Phibes (a mad scientist character played by Vincent Price, who lost his ability to speak in a car accident that also killed his wife and takes revenge on the people he considers responsible for her death. His MO is kind of similar to Jigsaw from Saw in that he abducts people and sets up life and death challenges for them and he also served as partial inspiration for V in V For Vendetta, with the lair, dancing scene and several other aspects of the character taking direct inspiration from Phibes) I would have gone for something along those lines for any dialogue. He would only speak through an artificial voice and the explanation for him being the way he is would be left up to the imagination for the most part, with him possibly even being shown eating by unhinging his jaw and swallowing things whole, leaning into the venomous snake/bird motif with some explicit body horror.

[@ripamoramee14]

Swapping King Kobra for Rufus is still the biggest crime ever. And the subtle idea that Cody was gonna be a main character in 3rd strike would’ve been amazing, the redesign he had in the cut SF3 artwork was perfect

[@GlitchanBlack]

Eh, Rufus did end up getting fans regardless of his backstory, so it's more of a 50-50 situation.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@GlitchanBlack One theory is that because alot of the characters are very expressive in this 2.5d game, and the artists wanted to create a silly fat guy to take advantage of that. I can't imagine Rufus working well in Street Fighter Alpha, or the more realistic look of SF 6

[@Xetyou]

Ritta... honestly sounds kind of adorable. Here me out, imagine Rose... but more carefree and willing-nilly, happy to have these powers and can live out her fantasies of being like her first crush. That just sounds cute in my eyes! Imagine at the end of her arcade story, she becomes an apprentice of Rose and that's how she will be buuut, she hates the whole calmness thing and still does her attacks but more refined.

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@ridleyroid9060]

​​@@Alexcobra861 Dude holy shit. CAPCOM YA LISTENIN? I cant live in a reality where this doesnt happen now.

[@pinkstinger]

After all of those sports themed characters, I kinda expected you to work in the "KoF Sports Team in the trash" joke somehow lol

[@HaloGuy467]

Every time I see King Cobra I cry inside. I'm not gonna hold out hope but if we could get King Cobra as a new character in a SF6 DLC I would be over the moon

[@donkeydarko77]

He's in World Tour mode.

[@HaloGuy467]

@@donkeydarko77 Whatchu talkin bout 👀

[@akilcharles3473]

We did his name is Jaime which was the concept for Rufus behind another concept that was King Cobra.

[@HaloGuy467]

@@akilcharles3473 I feel like Jamie fights a bit differently than how King Cobra was originally planned

[@donkeydarko77]

@@HaloGuy467 oops, spoiler.

[@fedupN]

So much cool stuff! Y'know, when they used the argument of "they had too many of X" to put a character in, I can respect that...if they didn't Dan, Ryu, Sean, Ken, and Akuma all running around. King Cobra could have been a really cool character. However, like above, with so many gi wearing flavors of shoto running around, could definitely see him not being used. Heck, I could even see "we have Sean at home" as an argument and folks wondering why they didn't just put some respect on Sean's name and give that character a glow up. Instead...we got Rufus. XD Well, hope King C could make an appearance down the line, particularly if Ken is going through a rough patch, King Cobra is an up and comer in the American fighting scene. Hell, maybe he wants to beat the man back into shape or is pissed that he didn't have a chance to dethrone Ken before the guy dropped out or something. Being a Sagat type rival for Ken could be neat. Malaysian Military Woman is a enthusiastic hell yeah. Everything about her is fantastic and fits right in. The hockey character. Its ridiculous but I love it. Similarly, Asuka (?) the Japanese aikido design is clean as hell. Bit been there done that but still. Solid. Dude, those Menat character concepts. Love the evil card wielder concept and Rita. Less thrilled with the Pizza Assassin but hey, why not?

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@fedupN]

@@Alexcobra861 That's a thought!

[@Thecor13]

I feel with cobra they could do a backstory of him knowing Ryu and Ken before the world tournament back in alpha days. He could be the inspiration behind the gi on Ryu of Sf4. He basically missed out on the tournaments because of wanting to improve his strength and signature style. On sf6 they could have him being a disciple of Oro and be the main character for DLC story. If not oro path, his fighting style could be based off of kyokushin instead of shotokan karate. Imagine him throwing a different color projectile, a more heavy based style like Ryo from Art of fighting. That or he could also have been absent because of being an agent like C. Viper. So many paths to choose from

[@alittlebitofkarate9769]

Street Fighter had a lot of potential concept art characters that should have been legit characters I seriously cannot believe the concept of King Cobra got scrapped and he was turned into Rufus who is very high and strong hated character in the Street Fighter community don't know what Capcom was thinking.

[@akilcharles3473]

I don't know what thier thinking either but best was having a diverse set of characters with different shape,sizes,age & whatever. And before E. Honda we didn't get another fat character like him until SF4 which we got Rufus who to be honest I kinda do like. Also it all worked out in the end when the devs mentioned in an interview that the concept idea for Jaime in SF6 was from Rufus in SF4. Basically the idea for Jaime came from the idea for Rufus that came from the idea of King Cobra lmao.

[@alwaysxnever]

I dunno if it is a cultural thing but they really seem disinterested in giving us another American black guy and literally making all the dudes Blonde. I'm still salty that Luke wasn't black. Lol

[@orangeslash1667]

@@akilcharles3473 One theory is that because alot of the characters are very expressive in this 2.5d game, and the artists wanted to create a silly fat guy to take advantage of that. I can't imagine Rufus working well in Street Fighter Alpha, or the more realistic look of SF 6

[@akilcharles3473]

@@orangeslash1667 Well the Alpha series is 2D and if works with Honda it can work with him. Heck I already see someone making SF4 characters into 2D sprites on G images.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@akilcharles3473 Honda barley counts as a fat character compared to Rufus. The second reason, Honda's animations are much more stiff compared to Rufus.

[@wolfgangrecordings]

vega wasn't "considered" as a ninja, he *is* a ninja

[@FelixArreguin]

To understand the inspiration behind the character design of SF2, you need to see, "The One-arm Boxer" and "The Master of the Flying Guillotine".

[@rusty3818]

So many cool designs that I just know would've been loved by the community- but girl who secretly cosplays and Menat w/ incense are so good. Also when you showed THE BAZ, a flood of excitement came over me.

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@NuageMH]

33:33 To be honest it's not unseen in video games or just media overall to have that type of "innocent little girl/boy working for an evil man because they were taken by him very young and doesn't get that what they're doing is evil" if you get what I mean her design feels like it lacks something to me but I think it could have worked with some changes (also the guy with the monkey on his face is hilarious, I love it, that's the type of thing I would have liked from a street fighter game actually)

[@dnightwalker]

Honestly it's becomming harder and harder to fight the urge to use "Dick Jumpsey" as my character name in SF6.

[@warrenbradford2597]

22:35 "But halfway through recording the character's lines, I repeat that. THEY HIRED THE VOICE ACTOR FOR HIM AND GOT HALFWAY THROUGH RECORDING THE CHARACTER'S LINES RECORDING THE CHARACTER"😄 Its like you are empathizing how Capcom screwed this up.

[@garytucker3563]

King Kobra should be considered still, there can always be other rivals to Shadowloo or villain groups against the US military.

[@IIIOldSchooLIII]

I mean, Killer Instinct had a dinosaur fighter in '94; a year before Tekken 2.

[@Zetra_the_meh]

We need to start a petition for Rita to get into sf6. That design was too good

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@HeartAino193]

@@Alexcobra861 I'd like to vision that Rita and the pizza girl (in which I'd call her Margarita) could be sisters with a father that's a weeb martial arts using Mafia boss who owns an Italian restaurant. Rita could fight like any stereotypical anime protagonist while Margarita could be an honorary ninja turtle.

[@Alexcobra861]

@@HeartAino193 good ideas!

[@somethingelse4948]

​@@HeartAino193Capcom concept team:Write that down! Write that down!

[@HeartAino193]

@@Alexcobra861 while Rita would be an All Rounder with Shoto moves inspired by Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho and Hokuto no Ken, Margarita would be a Rushdown character with moves inspired by TMNT, Naruto and Assassin's Creed. And why the name Margarita? It's because there's a variety of pizza called a Margherita that could serve as inspiration for the name of the "Pizza Assassin" and the name Margarita means pearl which is considered to be a magically enchanted object. What do you think?

[@micshork]

Zubaz was also going to appear in the canceled giant monster fighting game Colossal Kaiju Combat as a giant robot called MechaBaz.

[@goblinzaku6211]

My favorite was the commentary on SF1 that left out three big characters that would help define the roster in SFA: gen, adon, and birdie.

[@mrcuccob6386]

Really hope they bring back the early Menat ideas at some point ( am talking about the assasin and otaku ones ). Those concepts and designs feel very unique and with how much personality everyone in SF6 has they will be perfect for it. Also God damn I love the idea of the guy who's fighthing with a monkey on his face lmao that's so stupid It's great.

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@enzoponce1881]

​@@Alexcobra861 my brother in christ stop spamming the same comment i saw you like 8 times already

[@BubsArcadeFighters]

😂😅😅"SFV was really trying to be the horniest Street Fighter wasn't it!!!" Lmao...Great video!!! I loved Lobster Boy, Snowman and ZUBAZ!!! I wish we could get Zubaz dlc for Sf6! I could really see him fitting in to the games hip-hop esthetic.

[@Neoxon619]

Technically speaking, Luke is a newcomer in the sense that he was made for SF6.

[@aRBy125]

Was about to say. He's a 6 character that got ported into 5, haha.

[@willdiesel8431]

Already sick of his crap and face so technically he isn't new.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

It's sort of like when Roy being in Melee before his actual game (FE6).

[@RTDelete]

Dick Jumpsey is one of the most fun things to say Put on a full sports-announcer and just yell out DIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK JUUMPSEEYYYY I promise you it will make your day 10x better

[@skapokonroll]

Zubaz is the name of an actual brand of clothing. That is likely the reason as to why the letters in that concept art were removed (and why Zubaz was renamed The Baz in recent appearances)

[@WaffleAfterHours]

13:39 I know it'll probably never happen but I'd love to see a Primal Rage retrospective sometime.

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

Please do this for Mortal Kombat when the new game comes out, there are a lot of interesting scrapped characters there too (Belokk and Zebron probably being some of the most well-known)

[@cordellriemer5177]

I kinda want those cut characters in MK1 now

[@kamatariedgar3603]

Zebron even as an assist karacter would make me buy the game asap.

[@cordellriemer5177]

@@kamatariedgar3603 I want him playable myself but an assist figher will do

[@majortom331]

Also Baphomet ( the previous ruler of the netherrealm)

[@PlayfulOtter]

Street Fighter 1, that old man is Gen. There's also Birdie, Eagle, Sagat, and that Ryu guy.

[@KurstKensei]

Bless you for giving the full lore breakdown on Zubaz and the old best friends channel. I will add that Zubaz also won the belt at VGCW an old wrestling game tournament with create a characters and it was an insane match.

[@przemysawseredyszyn1405]

6:47 Vega IS a Ninja and a Bullfighter. He wears Matador clothes and one of his moves is called the Matador turn. He's official fighting style is Spanish ninjutsu. He's official story is that he studied bullfighting in Spain and than moved to Japan to learn ninjutsu. Smh

[@FoolsGil]

Seriously I cannot wait to see Zubaz / The Baz in the Fighter Hub

[@Smileyhat]

Wow, that was such a dramatic downgrade from king cobra to rufus. I would like to see some of those early Menat designs make it into full characters sometime, though. But I'd also like to see Menat herself make it into SF6. Even though I don't really play zoners, she was always one of the new character designs in SF5 that I liked the most.

[@Jesus-hu4lq]

Can we get more rival school characters seeing a late 20s early 30s batsu, natsu,roy ,robert and tiffany seeing them achieve their dreams or right there batsu having glassing looking a bit like his dad mixed with his school outfit. Roy looking like cody jp and g all professional but ready to throw hands. Tiffany would have fighting gloves like cammy and mixture of manons and sf6 cammys outfit being roys bodyguard.

[@giantrolato502]

28:51 Remember what they took fron us. I would have loved a clumsy version of Kazuichi from Danganronpa without the whole undressing thing.Hope she gets in SF6. 38:22 Yeah,that's also robbed.

[@openinginawe5518]

I really like a lot of thess designs Especially the previous menat designs

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@Mrgamedu31]

17:54 it's probably a coincidence but I think it's interesting how that boxer is similar to Bear Hugger from Punch Out and he was an existing character before SF3 came out Also an interesting thing about King Cobra is that he was visually inspired by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, a basket ball player and student of Bruce Lee And about Rufus, it might be a stretch but I wonder if they use the concept of the judo master with a hot wife since both men have a wife who's out of their league

[@kingj9664]

I always love seeing these scrapped character designs from capcom. The cut characters that I would have liked to say obviously would have been gins disciples, Elizabeth The Indian pop star, That's strong little girl, Would have loved to seen the Malaysian woman but I'm pretty sure her design got used for Marie since hes tall muscular and fights with animals. I feel like the Here no evil robot girl who feels like Capcom attempt at that 1 robot girl from tekken. I did not expect monot to have this many character designs and all of them look so good and can be in their own fighting game so some fan artists get on that. Also I will forever be mad at Capricorn for scrapping cane Cobra but they gave us Kimberly so I guess I can forgive them

[@CaptainL95]

Damn, "Clumsy Cutie" sounds exactly like the kind of character I would fall for.

[@robott-rexsareawesome376]

Great video. Loving that stone golem design. I fell into a Darkstalkers concept art well a few months ago. I'd love to see a Thorgi video on them. Or just all of the best, most interesting fighting game concept characters from across every game.

[@shadowclaw7210]

Honestly sounds like good Thorgiween episode.

[@robott-rexsareawesome376]

@@shadowclaw7210 100% on board for that!

[@CelioHogane]

Every time i see The Baz in Petal Crash, i cannot stop but smile in pride and say to myself "That was me, i got him there!"

[@Mateus_Carvalho]

That Golem from SF3's concept art looks an awful lot like Paul Wegener's Golem. That's... a pretty wild cut, I'll say.

[@ElFrankElTank]

The Violent detective is definitely pulling from Hol Horse. Look at them both side by side and you’ll see it, not unlike Capcom to take inspiration from Jojo so I wouldn’t be shocked. Great video man, really interesting.

[@ElFrankElTank]

17:30 for those interested thorgi pans over to him

[@SupremeLordBruv]

the italian punk otaku is something id love to return but probably won't

[@Alexcobra861]

Rita the Italian otaku and assassin pizza girl could totally appear in a potential rival schools 3. I totally see them as foreign students like Tiffanny.

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

hell someone just make these characters a thing in *something* please-

[@fearanger1]

So, Capcom clearly wanted to get a Canadian character into SF5. But instead of going with an original like the hockey player or the abominable snowman, they just grabbed Abigail from Final Fight. Yeah, okay...

[@tenworms]

Zubaz is a clothing brand, so I'm guessing that's why they scrubbed it from the sketch. Also probably why he's always "The Baz" in games. I'm guessing that's why they wrote it on his shirt to begin with, to denote what brand he's repping.

[@WormyJester8]

6:23 That comes mostly from Tiger Jeet Singh, an Indian pro-wrestler popular in Japan at the time (same with Anabebe being held in chains by his manager which was probably a reference to Bruiser Brody or Zangief who's name comes from... well, Viktor Zangief)