MS MARVEL Ep. 2 REVIEW | Basic B!tch Storytelling

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Apologies for the audio issues in the first couple minutes of this video. I didn't realize the microphone was out of position until I'd been recording for a while and I didn't really have the time to go back and re-record.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

I didn't notice the 🎤

[@dheerajegu6121]

For what it is worth, I did enjoy this episode. Indian MCU fans like me, seem to enjoy the show, the cultural references etc. But you were right, the politics are a bit annoying. I think the rescue did not work because Kamala started fantasizing about the fame she will get. Also the Kingo stuff is a reference to families containing generations of actors. So that did get a good chuckle outta me.

[@jtherealmccoy5309]

How dare he show off his black car 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@agentbrown5542]

No worries, had no idea.

[@bryanhallman8183]

13:40 In Islam, it's forbidden for girls to meet up with boys unattended, and even then, it's still something that could get you honor killed, so yeah, pretty big deal. Also, women aren't allowed to drive, depending on how fundamentalist the parents are.

[@sekanstar3243]

Tom and Jerry were for kids and my mom still enjoying it till this day, when charmed came out, I was a 9 years old kid and yet I still love it, so there's no excuse for "it wasn't made for you"

[@m1cha3l31]

PREACH

[@ghidorah15]

Darn tootin'.

[@JayRedGear]

Many Pixar movies and even old Disney movies (the 2D ones) were technically made for kids yet the whole family can enjoy them (remember Hunchback of Notre Dame? Or Tarzan where the villain at the end accidentally hung himself and you can see his limp body's shadow?)

[@ultra6671]

Remember when Brie Larson used the "It wasn't made for them" excuse when talking about critics in general?

[@ladyphoenixgrey3923]

This is facts.

[@alarin612]

Nightlight is legitimately a cool superhero name, especially for a kid hero. The light helping you be brave against the dark.

[@ultra6671]

I can honestly see an educational show starring a hero like that.

[@alarin612]

@@ultra6671 hell yeah. It's probably a better name than "Miss Marvel." Makes Kamala her own person.

[@budgiecat9039]

@@alarin612 Calling her Ms Marvel never made sense anyway. She doesnt have ANY powers similar to Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers). The only reason Monica Rambeau took the name of Captain Marvel in the comics in 1982 was because she was a literal Captain in her police force and the public started calling her that after she accidentally acquired super powers from running into a secret container at a shipyard chasing criminals that enabl;ed her with said powers because her powers reminded them of Captain Marvel (Ma'Vell) who had just died from Cancer. And Monica then tried to reject the name but the Thing said nah keep it "I'm sure Mar'Vell wouldnt have mind". Then Monica gave up the title to Mar'Vell's son when he arrived later on Earth. Then the name got passed down a few more times until Ms Marvel in 2012 (after Disney bought Marvel go figure) decided to take the title and stop using the name Ms Marvel. Then a year later Marvel comics hired Sana Amanat, a Pakistani woman from Jersey from an affluent family, who had just come off a job at a comic book company that went bankrupt (talk about failing upwards) and was given a high position at Marvel with little experience and then decided to co-create a self-insert character (Kamala Khan) and they had no name for her so they decided on Ms. Marvel because what better idea for diversity identity to have than a minority girl looking up to a superior white woman? And then of course the Captain Marvel comics did so well (er no they didnt they were doing terribly and had to be rebooted like 6 or 7 times), Ms Marvel initially got praised but then eventually her comics too started failing, and then someone at Marvel saw a 2008 Japanese porn parody of Iron Man called Ironheart and decided to steal the name and suit design and repurpose it to their own character some time around 2016 and all were set up to eventually be shoehorned into the MCU along with Kate Bishop, Echo, America Chavez, and 2014's reintroduction of Jane Foster Mighty Thor from the Thor comics/ Not to mention using the 2016 reboot version of Shang Chi who now has a sister who is the bestest at everythign self taiught martial arts master but in the MCU, they depowered Shang Chi since he no longer has mastery of Chi where he can literally dodge bullets like in the comics no he's just really good at martial arts thats it and he acquires the ten rings which are also nerfed from the comics oh and his sister beats him in a fight and takes over the 10 Rings society goddamn it Marvel

[@Adamguy2003]

Agreed, it is a good name for a kid superhero!

[@MrHero17]

GAY

[@lessermook7608]

"they validate each other" YEP, it's def made for girls.. very rarely do "friends" disagree or check each other, like friends do A LOT. Nah it's always "you're amazing queen" energy.

[@lefishe6611]

From my experiences in real life, it sometimes legitamately is like that

[@andrewcarlton6196]

Make fun of the 1960s Batman all you want, but atleast Batman was in it and acted like a superhero

[@christopherjones5446]

I don’t. It’s an amazing show and EVERYONE gave their all. The scene in the pilot where Bruce Wayne described what happened to him as a child which led him to become Batman (the only time that’s ever mentioned in the entire run of the show) was done with such gravitas and irony free. Adam West sold the internal pain Bruce feels when he dons the cape and cowl.

[@riffcrescendo1740]

60s Batman: Awesome fun!

[@KitsuneAdorable]

True. I wasn’t born when the series aired, I watched it now again in reruns. (Early eighties.) But to be honest I didn’t like it due to the campiness. Which is the reason why I disliked the animated series The Brave and the Bold. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@mangahell8177]

So does anyone else find it hilarious how powerfull and overpowered they make this heroes and yet there biggest enemys are boring, weak, stupid, racist white man that would in any other series be a nameless henchman to be defeated in a seconed

[@ultra6671]

To be fair, that's pretty much how the Captain Marvel movie went, so at least the writers are following up on that front.

[@budgiecat9039]

Thiis is the same guy (bearded DODC interrogator) that interrogatted Peter Parker rudely in No Way Home. Problem is they cant have him say "Spider-Man" because of Sony legalities. Notice how Spider-Man was completely missing from the intro recap of Infinity War/Endgame stuff Kamala was narrating as well as not being shown in any capacity at Avengers-Con? lmao you'd think a superhero from Queens NY which is literally just a hop and a skip over from Jersey City would be a local town idol hero but no he is not mentioned at all. Anyways, he was acting oddly rude to Peter in No Way Home and remember how Peter got tricked in Far From Home by Mysterio and also Skrulls were impersonatiing Shield agents because they had to fill the roles of Nick Fury who was busy up in Space building some base or whatever? So I think theyre either Skrulls or Kree or they work for Mysterio and he didnt actualy die (or maybe he did die but is still alive variant wise) .Notice the green tint droids they used? Mysterio used drones too..and the Kree had green tint technology. If its Mysterio, maybe that might explain how he 'died' and there still is a Mysterio; because maybe there is a second Mysterio who is a Time Variant and the two worked together to create better illusions. This would also explain why Mysterio used the idea of a Multiverse to trick Peter. Because Far From Home took place 9 months after Endgame and Loki took place right after AND before Endgame (because time moves weirdly in the TVA) so Sylvie killing He Who Remains at the end of Loki show unlocked the Multiverse. This is why Wanda started getting those dreams/nightmares of having two sons which prompted her to create the Hex in Wandavision and later go full psycho in Dr. Strange 2 because Wandavisision took place 3 weeks after Endgame so it took place after the Multiverse was unlocked; which then unlocked people's abilitiy to dream of their variants in other worlds. Also remember how the Skrulls were kinda clueless about human sociology and phrases in Captain Marvel as well as FFH? So the DODC woman saying "Latinx" could be a hint to that; trying to blend in forefully with current sociological wordage and norms but not fully knowing how to. So could be either a Skrull or a Kree trying to fit in. The Kree would make sense since they want to tie Ms Marvel eventually to Captain Marvel 2 movie ("The Marvels") and the last time we saw Monica Rambeau (who will also be in "the Marvels) was at the end of Wandavision where her 'friend' ended up being a Skrull who mentioned to her that Nick Fury from Shield up in Space wants to work with her and we stil dont know what the upcoming Secret Invasion show is all about yet.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

@@budgiecat9039 hmm, that’s a very good explanation, as Dr. Strange using the Time Stone to see which future allows them to defeat Thanos in *Infinity War* would be after Loki broke the singularity. I’m assuming that the TVA is destroyed some (heh heh) “time” after the first *Avengers* movie. PS: I don’t think Mysterio is dead, as that last shot focuses pretty close on Jake Ghyllenhall’s face/eyes pretty closely, and how much CGI money would it take to show his pupils dilate?

[@budgiecat9039]

@@TheRealNormanBates One obvious thing I forgot to mention: why DID they bring in the same DODC actor from Spider-Man No Way Home into this show? Isnt that odd? Like I said, he is from the DODC which is not even FBI related, and in this episode, he acted kinda nervous about the FBI when he was speaking to his partenr. So why did the DODC even interrogate Peter Parker? And like I said, so rudely; like they had a vested interest in Mysterio's death. I dont think they just hired that character/actor to reprise his weird role from NWH in this show just because "he's an Iranian actor so we wanted to hire all Muslim related actors for this show to push the inclusivity and diversisty angle'" - because if thats the only reason, then thats stupid. There has to be more to it than that. That dude was acting strange in NWH and he's acting strange here again in Ms Marvel.. And like I said, Skrulls and Kree act weird but then again so do Mysterio's agents Something isnt right about him but we'll see I guess

[@maggoli67]

"Don't worry, it's my cousin!" The writers do NOT think we've known of certain cultural practices in some south Asian cultures, do they? It ain't just in Arkansas...

[@Adamguy2003]

It may be a nod to something different than that: Often in Muslim culture, it is severely frowned upon for a woman or particularly a teenage girl to be seen out in public with a male who is not a relative. In fact, in many Muslim countries, it is actually illegal! Her saying it's her cousin may have been kind of a nod to that.

[@hassathunter2464]

Yes, woman and men pray seperately in mosques. So she's fighting against her actual religion and the way it's done worldwide. Are we sure the writer is actually muslim?

[@deadprivacy]

and now we know the absolute power of the islamic despot, you are are that any art depictctg living beings? comics , movies, paintings, anything depicting a living thing, from van goghs sunflowers to the latest episode of cliffor the big red dog. all exolicitly forbidden by the prophet muhammed, the whole idea of a "muslim tv show" is specifically anti islamic.

[@blackagent4754]

You know Disney wouldn't get an ACTUAL Muslim to write any story for them, brother. Disney is liberal and woke, and our faith doesn't allow us to buy into their crap, so they wouldn't dare hire anyone that won't cosign on their agenda.

[@deadprivacy]

@@blackagent4754 i dunno, what with all the noncing, dirty old mo would have love a bit of disney, i mean their target audience is little girls, and then youve got all the starwars and marvel stuff to satisfy the afghn contingent with their bachi bazi buggery rituals.

[@deadprivacy]

got to love the power of islam, even dsneys saccharinne pandering cant let you wrest control of your own female relatives they whole lives.... makes yur skin crawl. imagine yur dad dictating who and how and why you like to fuck. thats the awkwardness in the show buddy, ike it or not.

[@blackagent4754]

@@deadprivacy I'm, sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say with your current grammar.can you please spell, punctuate, and capitalize your sentences so we better understand you?

[@DavidCEberhartII]

I work with teenagers and have to say the show is right about so many mindsets. The part where she rescues the guy and does it the super hero way is because so many teenagers these days think in over blown ways to become tick tok or instagram famous. the small simple and correct things dont even make sense to them since they want to do things to be social media famous. it bizarre

[@qwaurk985]

"They're annoyed men and women aren't being treated equally." They're muslim and just now figured that out?! Hoo boy!

[@Chino56751]

On the contrary, they are absolutely treated the same, according to the tenets of the faith. There's a difference between that and the cultural practices of various Muslim countries. I would visit your local mosque and ask questions.

[@emilioochoa2862]

I just realized why Ms marvel never really got popular she has no real villains that define her. I mean heroes are popular because they have an enemy that usually attached to their names. You got batman with joker, and bane, Spider-Man with green goblin and venom, superman with lex Luther and Darkseid. Does Ms marvel actually have any memorable villains that are worth remembering.

[@lefishe6611]

Alot of heroes share that fact, for example, who's Nova's most memorable villain

[@allgoodman3475]

There’s this parrot head guy that was her villain for the first issues

[@shagohad3]

@@lefishe6611 If we're talking Rich? I think he's more defined by the events he's been in, chief being the amazing Annihilation events.

[@SirRorschachJack]

Nope

[@anthonyguidas2012]

Poor Bruno, I guess this is why “ we don’t talk about Bruno” 😂🤣

[@Neillan]

*That "costume" has more in common with a torture device and the actress looks humiliated.* The trashy comics don't sell, retelling them in live action expecting them to do so is pure insanity.

[@da-vidcargill4975]

Well dont watch h then

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

It looks like a halloween costume of a real superhero.

[@Neillan]

@@da-vidcargill4975 Simp Card Declined, please try again later.

[@ye87]

Keeep telling them bc ion think fake ms marvel fans understand we kno their faking it by lookin at her sell if half the ppl who say they “like” this character bought her books she wouldn’t have been cancelled over 500 time within 10 year

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

@@ye87 what?

[@Mein-Darth]

"Well this was boring as hell." So what i expected in other words.

[@jeanluca2002]

6:21 "I'm a Uncultured Godless White dude from the suburbs so i truthfully don't know" 1: Mood 2: Same.

[@ScooterBond1970]

BRUNO: What are your powers? KAMALA: Powers? Dude I don't even know how to pee in this thing!

[@UserJL4455]

Where is that quote from I forgot

[@ScooterBond1970]

@@UserJL4455 the Shazam movie

[@customgod]

What I thought about this episode is there is no way in hell I'm going to watch it. Thanks for the review!

[@scotthadden9816]

"A better future, free of Women's suffrage." Thorias, June 18th, 2022. For those that don't get it suffrage is the right to vote.

[@Kahnovitch]

I think he meant women's suffering in general like sufferage (yes I know it's not a word)rather than suffrage.

[@scotthadden9816]

@@Kahnovitch I know... but what he said was funnier.

[@Razzlion]

@@scotthadden9816 No i think he meant exactly what he said.. Muslim countries are not that good at the whole suffrage stuff.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

This show was trash from episode 1 what you're seeing thorias is the "Snowball effect", where every marvel Disney + show is infected with the same outcome, identity politics and boring storytelling and terrible generic characters.

[@bigoz169]

Exactly even Obi Wan is this kind of crap and they expect you to forget all that because they give you Vader doing badass shit for 15 minutes of the whole season.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@bigoz169 Nostalgia baiting.

[@josequintana3669]

Well.... yeah.

[@michaelgerard2]

Did he just say the legend of Korra is a quality product? WTF, that show was utter GARBAGE, a pathetic sequel to the last airbender.

[@APsychicMonkey]

It was well animated. But it destroyed the future for the greatest animated show of all time. So it's pretty bad. It was the Last Jedi before the Last Jedi, just far more subtle in its destruction of the past, like a brick through a window instead of a wrecking ball.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Agree to disagree about LoK. Was it as objectively good as ATLA? No. But it was still miles better than a lot of other stuff I could name.

[@michaelgerard2]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 It's not the worst thing ever, but it actively destroys ATLA, one of the most disrespectful animated sequels ever.

[@animezilla4486]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 I agree with you I absolutely love the legend of Korra

[@animezilla4486]

@@APsychicMonkey I disagree with everything you just said how did the legend of Korra destroy the last Airbender series it doesn't really make any sense considering it very well

[@Ender7j]

So…we can sexualize a boy that is in school? How hypocritical and predictable of these people.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

My biggest problem with Miss Marvel was never her powers, Race, gender or religion. It's that she has no main villain or rouges gallery. Usually she just fights random thugs or giant monsters the only time she seems to fight Marvel villains is when she's teamed up with the Avengers or Champions. If you want to make a great hero you need to give them great compelling or threating villains to show off what a great hero they can be. That's why I've been hesitant to watch this show, cause it never advertised a main antagonist and it looks like its just going to be some rando one dimensional government agents which is just lame

[@Raximus3000]

Seriously?! NOT A SINGLE VILLAIN FOR HER?? Is she really a superhero and not some "the boys" chaticature? How can anybody like her if she is never challenged?

[@teux01]

IMO her main antagonist is Captain Marvel. All of her efforts to emulate her hero make her a worse and worse person until she becomes involved in illegally jailing people on US soil for crimes they haven't even committed.

[@ye87]

She’s a nobody character meant to push an agenda dats why and dats also why her comics fall harder than a comet being pulled into earth’s gravity

[@deadprivacy]

you mean, shes an empty caharcter with no supporting cas, no fans and noone caeres, yes we know.

[@Raximus3000]

@@deadprivacy I think hollow is a better description.

[@sharkpoolbolt662]

I have a feeling that they’re really going to hammer in the sexism and Islamphobia messages … it should be addressed but they’re going to be more preachy (like the end of FATWS)

[@nude_cat_ellie7417]

I disagree that it should be addressed. This is supposed to be entertaining, an escape from the real world. The two do not need to mix.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

The issue isn't the message against Sexism or Racism it's the fact that it been preached at us non stopped threw all forms of entertainment. And they always sacrifice the story for the sake of the message especially in comics

[@LarfIeeze]

@@nude_cat_ellie7417 if only writers felt the same, there’s alway sun garbage whole script pushed in all these shit CW n marvel shows n honestly all movies/tv lately. It’s a shame

[@deadprivacy]

i think anything that can be done to encourage islamophobia is a good idea to be far, have you read the quran? its terrofying....kamala is evil because shes a woman, thats why she cnat do what she wants, shes a woman and must be controlled, what use is she as a wife to her uncles unless this occurs, do you know anything about islam?

[@CyGea]

There are lots of similarities between this show and Pixar's Turning Red. Mostly, because they are aimed at similar audiences. Teenage women of color, with cultural expectations, and "overbearing" mothers.

[@ye87]

And I turning red clearly was flopp bc I’ve never heard of it that’s what happens when you are anywhere near similar to this character whether it came out first or not

[@CyGea]

@@ye87 Turning Red, had a Disney+ release.

[@GodOfPlague]

Literature Devil hated Turning Red. I dont blame him. It was like a worse more selfish version of the goofy movie

[@peterrealar2.067]

I'm really getting tired of the generational trauma subplot. It's getting REALLY old.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@GodOfPlague that movie is awesome, and had great original music that was relevant to the plot

[@kreese-yi2nb]

So you mean it could be worse? For 2022 standards that's a glowing praise.

[@Shiirow]

"Its a pile of dogshit, it could be worse, it could be cowshit."

[@Chino56751]

If Batwoman is shamelessly malicious with their politicking ( which they are ) , then Ms Marvel is CLUELESSY malicious. Between the feminism, and the racism-bating, its the same haunting soapboxing that BW was so obsessed with...again.

[@budgiecat9039]

Disney: "With this show we can 'fix' Muslim gender inequality and outdated cultural norms!' Also Disney: "Lets totally film Mulan next to Chinese Muslim slave camps" Also Ramadan is during the lunar cycle so it varies when it wil be year to year so I looked up when Ramadan will be in the year 2025 (which this story takes place after the end events of Avengers Endgame which took place in October of 2023, 5 years after the Snap in Infinity war of 2018 and after the events of Hawkeye which was Christmas of 2024), and Ramadan, (where you fast for a month) in 2025 will start from Friday February 28th to Sunday March 30th. We know that Muslims celebrate two Eid's ("feasts" or "festivals") during the year. So the first one, Eid Al-Fitr (aka :Festival of Breaking the Fast of Ramadan"), which is celebrated after Ramadan, would be in after the end of March 30th (2025) which would explain why Kamran can go divebombing into that girls swimming pool without freezing to death but at the same time we've seen Kamala, Bruno, and everyone else kinda walking around with semi Winter clothes still on in Jersey City upper east coast of America. Also when Kamala is working out with Bruno at the park, there are no spring leaves on the trees yet. My only problem with this is that right in the beginning of episode 2 we see Kamala and her Muslim friend both eating lunch at their high school. Muslims taking part in Ramadan do not eat or drink anything during daylight hours, eating one meal (the '' or 'sehri') just before dawn and another (the 'iftar') after sunset. We know it should not the second Eid, aka We also know its early 2025 because they stop at a food truck with a “March 14th, 2025” date on one of the documents the owner has on display. That’s the last time the food truck received a mobile sanitation grade. Next to it, there’s also a food vendor permit for 2024 and 2025. The sanitation grade date is the more important one. It tells us that the events in this episode of occur after mid-March 2025. But then also in episode 2, Kamala asks Bruno if he'd like to come to Eid with her and her family since her mom asked, and he said "Eid again?" and Kamala answers with "Yeah the lesser one" which would then indicate that "the lesser one" that Bruno says "Eid again?" would be Eid Al Adha, which as I said is in June and is only a day (aka 'the lesser one'since Eid Al Fitr last 3 days) but then that would mean this is in June and going by the wardrobe and the weather that makes no sense. This is really odd the writers and director messed this up considering the producer (Sana Amanat, co-creator of Ms Marvcel in the comicsc) is Pakistani and the directors are Adil El Arbi, Bilall Fallah, Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy and Meera Menon. So Marvel went out of their way to hire people of similar cultural and ethnic background as the main character but they couldnt even get the dates of events of the religion and their cusytoms right lol

[@Chino56751]

@@budgiecat9039 They HAD to have their feminism narrative, which actually runs counter to what Islam teaches

[@Hadam10Rose]

Disney spent all of 2021 saying how they don't want to talk about Bruno, now Marvel has a character named Bruno.....

[@CyGea]

Of course they referenced Kingo! If Thor: The Dark World is any indication, any "bad" Marvel property is just going to get referenced over and over.

[@jeebuschristos8423]

17:50 But... Kamala ENTERED the contest, no? So, they SHOULD know her name in five seconds by checking the list of entrants...

[@kidkatanatv]

Ah ah ah...don't think, consume product then wait for next product! LOL

[@budgiecat9039]

oops

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

I guess the upshot is that these g-men are really bad at their jobs.

[@larryclowers]

My biggest gripe is the production. All MCU films and shows are filmed in Atlanta but they usually do a pretty good job hiding that fact by making the sets look like NYC or California or even other countries. But Ms. Marvel barely hides it. In episode 2 there is a clear shot of one of the most famous hospitals in Atlanta right behind what is supposed to be the parking lot for her school. Which for some reason they don't use the exterior of the actual school they film the exterior in. Hell, most of the time they don't even bother to change the names of the street signs. Be on the lookout for Peachtree.

[@wiseguychampia6647]

I love the running joke about the Black Car. 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrDman21]

Thorias is not godless. You gotta have some type of faith to put up with these crappy shows. 😄

[@solan7978]

Wasn't "Legend of Korra" an absolutely awful show? That's what I've heard, and no surprise, given how obnoxious Korra seems to be.

[@thewolf8660]

Yep. Characters were either bland or marry sues (except returning characters like Zuko and Toph, they were still awesome), the setting was also bland and uninspired most of the time (How do you f*** up a steampunk Avatar tla world?! Don't know, but the found a way), obnoxious fanbase (I'd say it's not the shows fault, but they pandered to certain groups just like the CW does, so yeah, it is.) And they ruined Aang's character and legacy by not only trivializing his entire arch, but also through character assassination by having him be a neglectful parent.

[@MyMagnificentOctopus]

It has a really bad reputation, partly I think because it was such a massive shift from Avatar. Had it been independent of Avatar it probably still would have had critics, but not been quite as badly received. Well, the rather sudden shift to Korra being romantically involved with Asami... That was just odd. (I went into it knowing there was controversy about a lesbian relationship, but not knowing who other than Korra, and up until the very end I expected her to get together with Kuvira as they had more chemistry even when enemies than she did with anyone else. I keep seeing on line claims that there were earlier hints at the Asami thing, but I didn't see it.) So... I don't think it is as bad as the reputation, but I also saw it LONG after watching Avatar so it may have made for less of a shocking transition between the two. I saw it as relatively harmless.

[@mieymies427]

It is. The only okey part were the villains and poor Tenzin.

[@ye87]

Yea I ain’t watch dat trash shit

[@jankyyard5610]

Legend of Korra has variety qualities. Season 3 is the only one who can match some of ATLA's masterpiece depending on how forgiving you are. The show has great ideas but poorly executed depending on what season because Aaron Ehasz wasn't involved and Nickelodeon became a greedy corp.

[@natechenry]

Honestly these shows being 6 episodes long (apart form WandaVision which was 9) is a problem. Too short of seasons to flesh out the stories. I also find the stories in some of these shows dull. These shows need to do 10-13 episodes like Netflix did with their marvel shows, give them room to actually flesh out the stories and that would give us 13 weeks of these shows as well!

[@ye87]

No nobody wanna see ms travel for more the 2 episodes let alone 10-13 are you outta ya mind boy

[@jankyyard5610]

No. Spider-man, Iron Man, and other great superhero movies only need 2 hours to flesh out their characters and be a masterpiece. Ms. Marvel took forever to prep on what they need.

[@horseradishpower9947]

@@ye87 I am wanting to see more of Ms Marvel, as I am curious as to what sort of train wreck this will turn into. Also, it makes me appreciate Stargirl all the more.

[@budgiecat9039]

Uh no thanks lol this does NOT need that many episodes lol it just needs better pacing and more focus on Kamala and her powers as well as whoever her antogonists will be not her friends Mosque campaign or her boy crush lol

[@horseradishpower9947]

@@budgiecat9039 Yeah, this needs tighter editing. It likely could be made into a 90 minute film, and work fine.

[@alexl2679]

I'm glad you're sharing your honest opinion. It's fine if you love it. You do you, man. Have a good one

[@flipneleanor7370]

I've got lots of questions for the writers, but i'll just ask one, as a lot of the questions just stem from this question. Why does Kamala idolize Captain Marvel?

[@ultra6671]

Girl power?

[@budgiecat9039]

@@ultra6671 No Black Widow, Shuri, Pepper Pots, Wanda (yeah I know she went crazy), Shuri, N'Koya, Valkyrie,? You would think the latter three since shes insecure about her identity since 'brown girls from Jersey City arent saving the world...sad pout" and those three are literally brown girls just not from Jersey City

[@yvonnesolomon3357]

@@budgiecat9039 literally all of these would make more sense than Captain Marvel since they’re actually well known on Earth. But I wonder if they went with Captain Marvel bc she’s the only one with a successful movie & they can keep propping her up for the sequel.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Because that's what the comics did, I guess. Problem is it makes ZERO sense in the context of the show, which the writers really should have anticipated BEFORE they made it.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

You really think the writers would think about something like that, they aren't that talented.

[@vashishtramoutar8122]

So was mean girls made for girls only because I thought it was a great film. Well fucking written.

[@josequintana3669]

Mean Girls wasn't meant for little girls. At all.

[@vashishtramoutar8122]

@@josequintana3669 exactly. I watched that movie too many times. I consider it gold.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Beats me who it was made for, but everybody can enjoy Mean Girls.

[@DabionFreedom]

Great new episode review, of Ms Marvel. Thorias. funny & entertaining as always, I'm looking forward to seeing you reviewing the rest. :)

[@sometimesfriendly9839]

I can't bring myself to watch this show. My guess is that they are focusing on the mundane stuff because it's cheaper. If they took a shot at the quality of the women's section of the Mosque compared to the men's, I'll give them credit. I'm surprised a Disney show criticizes any religion except Christianity in any way.

[@mattbaltimore7195]

That's like saying "Watch Batwahmen and form your own opinion".... People nowadays needs to be precautious about what they want to watch, not just consoom just because it's a new product....

[@budgiecat9039]

that women's section of the mosque being run down is bs. An entire mosque is kept immaculate. That was just forced in there.

[@lautimhum6734]

>Complaint about the story being basic bitch. -Literally have no problem with half of the MCU movies been basic bitch even though this one have the most style, heart and more well directed than most of the D+ plus shows and movie. > Complaining of the "politic". - Literally have no problems with the first Iron Man movie, Captain America Trilogy and Black Panther been political and not subtle at all. >Complained about "white people" been portray as evil even though they are when you watch no way home. -Literally ignore Bruno which is her best friend.

[@budgiecat9039]

the only action in this episode was at the very tail end when she almost failed to rescue some retard kid and when she outran the DODC (whoever they really are) which was a like a 30 second scene. There was nothing political about the first Iron Man movie, nor Captain America trilogy; you fail to see what he means by politcal he is talking about virtue signaling social political themes not actual government politics Bruno isnt the antagonist Cope harder

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

>I missed the part where the other Marvel movies/D+ shows spent big chunks of their runtime on stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with the plot, unless you're referring to the boat subplot in TFATWS, which I though was also a waste of time and poorly done. >There's a big difference between politics existing in a show or movie and a show or movie being preachy and annoying ABOUT politics. >The villains in NWH weren't meant to be villains BECAUSE they're white. The g-men in Ms Marvel are being portrayed as one-dimensionally racist because the writers needed an antagonist and they apparently didn't feel like reaching to anything above the lowest hanging fruit.

[@lautimhum6734]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 > 1.1 The boat subplot is important for the characters because it is a bonding moment for Sam and Bucky and tell us that Sam need to let go of the pass . 1.2 The mosque stuff is important because the religion part of the show is what made the show stand out unlike the other MCU stuff that's seem to afraid to tackle religion. Removing that is like removing the Catholicism in Daredevil. 1.3 It also shows that everybody is the protagonist in their story. 1.4 There's like 4 episodes to go for them to tie it back to the main plot. 2. That the you problem, not me . I watched it and I have no problem with it. That and my cousin is Muslim so I can understand the issue. 3. Who care if they are racist or not, they are the BAD GUYS. They are suppose to do bad things toward the protagonist. They are like the gangster in Ant man and the wasp, who care about them. And I highly doubt that they are the main antagonist since Kamala great grandma is a thing.

[@AssGuardian07]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 So You are hating this show just bcoz they Portrayed White man as bad or Evil.. you think that Your race of People are all 100% Innocents & Cant commit any evil?

[@rengarcia5189]

Gods, her outfit makes her look like a Teletubby sans the magic purse.

[@TheREALSimagination]

Ramadan - the Muslim fasting season - is when they only eat after a certain point at night. They cap Ramadan off by having a huge feast to celebrate, which they call Id.

[@Hadam10Rose]

True, look at Billy in Shazam, he skips school and he and his brother test his new powers out.

[@LG-of8ue]

I loved this episode! The unbridled creativity! I mean that black car - chefs kiss! 🤣💜

[@ObijeeTeeVee]

My question was why do we care about Mosques in a SUPER HERO UNIVERSE!!?? If I wanted to watch gripping religious drama I'd switch to 100 Huntley Street.

[@nvfury13]

Superhuman religious extremists.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

So the SCINTILLATING shoe thief subplot isn't exactly grabbing your attention then? I'm shocked...

[@malcolmgreene8830]

I'm probably coming with old information but I have a question🤔🤔 why does Hollywood think it's okay to put a person who lived for thousands of years into high school just because they look 17🤨🤨 I'm just confused about that, we're not Japan and it should have never worked for Twilight either🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@Tsirapo]

In case you were wondering: Eid means feast. I believe the Eid they are referring to is Eid-al-Fitr. Which marks the end of Ramadan.

[@deadprivacy]

so its not the one where they celebrate the genocide of 700 jews at the hnads of muhammed because they wouldnt cpnvert to his sex cult? i thought it was that one....are you sure? you can tell by how scared the local jews look usually.

[@budgiecat9039]

Ah that makes more sense then what some other guy above said about fasting (since Kamala's dad was eating when her friend was trying to guilt trip him into voting for her)...exceeeeept for the fact Kamala and Nakia were eating lunch at school during Ramadan and Kamala and Kamran ordered lunch at a restaurant after her driving lesson during Ramadan as well lol

[@clementj]

@@budgiecat9039 that bugged me too. Shouldn't they have been fasting since the 1st episode if they're really celebrating Eid al-Fitr? I'm not Muslim and even I find that weird LOL...

[@budgiecat9039]

@@clementj Yes its a huge mistake if its that which is weird as hell given that 90% of the cast here is Muslim and so are the directors and producer so it makes no sense. And even if we find out its supposed to be the second Eid festival of Sacrifice where its one day only and there is no fasting, it still doesnt make sense because it doesnt match up with the date the show takes place which as I said is during March because of the document on the Gyro King's truck in episode 1 that clearly shows March date.. so wtf is going on here lol

[@clementj]

@@budgiecat9039 I did some checking, the Eid al-Adha, the feast of sacrifice, is known as the Greater Eid. I think Kamala mentioned they're celebrating the lesser one, so it's got to be Eid al-Fitr. Therefore, it's a HUGE mistake on the showmakers part to forget about the fasting aspect, if most of them really are Muslim LOL....

[@Match25]

I have to admit it's a bit shocking they didn't make her a lesbian

[@NPC-nn4qe]

Batwoman: Infuriating in a funny way. Ms. Marvel: Infuriating in a boring way.

[@tylerskiss]

Wait! That’s seriously the costume!? They are definitely taking the piss.

[@raharmakis]

So far the Family has been far and away the best part of this show. They are amazingly normal and relatable to me (very not Muslim, nor Indian lol) and have great chemistry together. I also very much saw my sister do that exact happy dance over a boy when she was a teen. The Hijab conversation seemed a bit forced, but the Pakistan/Indian/British conversation was well written, and came in pretty organically. Overall an enjoyable show over all so far to me.

[@ye87]

🤦🏿‍♂️ normies

[@jankyyard5610]

Sure you can enjoy shows even though they are objectively bad.

[@raharmakis]

@@nvfury13 So far just a overly devout Muslim compared to the rest of the family. Like the dad goes to Mosque, Says the right prayers at the right times, but the Son is actively studying the Koran. Stereotyped for sure, but not terrorist Stereotype.

[@Webshooters1]

@@jankyyard5610 We all have shows and movies we like for reasons that baffle others. They're called guilty pleasures.

[@luchomscyfy]

@@Webshooters1 It reminds me of the review of Kenobi show by RLM. They said it's bad, but a guilty pleasure.

[@Darkwintre]

So the writing? Thats usually the problem with Disney+ series, their movies since Infinity War, also effected HALO, Dr Who and very probably Amazons Rings of Time oh sorry Wheels of Woke well they are basically the same well their problem anyway!

[@ye87]

Not with miss marvel they are writing her pretty good if you’ve ever read the comics you would kno it can get a lot worst with this awful character

[@Darkwintre]

@@ye87 Nice to hear they're doing something better then!

[@deadprivacy]

@@ye87 you cannot polish a turd

[@bloodrunsclear]

I guess boring is a step up from aggravating

[@yo1dude1man]

Disney has proven - without a shadow of a doubt - that they have no business producing super-hero movies and TV shows. On the positive side, their Hanna Montana and iCarly writers have work.

[@animezilla4486]

I disagree let's not forget movies like adventures Infinity war and end game make ton of money the problem is what they are doing after that in my opinion I think they should leave try to make superhero movies independent not related to one another

[@yo1dude1man]

@@Raya-ir4tm The point is - they basically got the same writers. Heck, iCarly is a better show than this mess.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

So the new dirty trick these corporate snakes are trying out is to have the FIRST episode seem like it's gonna lead to a proper show with okay story writing and THEN have all the WOKE bullshit take place in the second episode... Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

[@Phillymann]

"Kamala loves that he has a car, and she just LOVES the colour... ... Black." Dude I spat my tea!

[@keiichi8191]

They seem to spend large parts of the show focusing on her religion, which is odd because can anyone think of any other superhero in the Marvel universe who's all about church and the Bible? I don't recall Cap's Christianity ever being highlighted and playing any role, despite him almost assuredly being Christian considering the era he's from.

[@tymiller2903]

To answer your first question yes there is his name is Matt Murdock aka Daredevil, and yes the first Avengers film made one reference to Cap being Christian.

[@mezo4197]

Daredevil

[@Adamguy2003]

Nightcrawler is a devout Christian.

[@tymiller2903]

@@Adamguy2003 I completely forgot about Nightcrawler.

[@budgiecat9039]

In the comics Moon Knight is devoutly Jewish which plays a big part in his story but the show we only really saw that in a flasjback scene briefly at his mom's wake when she died.

[@AntonioCruz-jp4bh]

Just cuz it stars a kid doesn’t mean it’s only for kids. Just cuz you don’t like something doesn’t mean others don’t. This was a fantastic show with witty effects, charming characters and proper representation that doesn’t feel forced and instead feels lived in and organic. If you can’t appreciate that then sorry

[@hvyarms4496]

Deff has disney channel vibes. Can even hear the canned laughs in my head

[@Dan-u1l]

Did they actually say LatinX? Wow, just wow.

[@josequintana3669]

Yep, they did.

[@LWolf12]

They do know that Latinx is a slur to most Hispanics, right?

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

I have no idea if the LatinX term is meant to be used seriously or not. I heard Stephanie Beatriz use it seriously in an interview a while back, but aside from that, most people seem to view it as kind of a joke, so who knows. But, yeah, they said it.

[@peterrealar2.067]

THEY REALLY DID.

[@spykemxd]

The brothers black wife's only role was to look amazed, nodded and smile. Amd, of course, despite not having much of a character at all, she's smarter than her husband by default.

[@spykemxd]

@Lucas Trent You can disagree with me if you want. Don't chance fax. Wife couldn't be the same ethnicity as them because the producers needed a prop to convey the grannies backstory. A prop to nod, smile, look concerned. Now, she couldn't have been white, otherwise that would've defeated the purpose of the message.

[@mezo4197]

@@spykemxd actually reaching so hard bro doesn't like that he has a black fiance like that's not normal????

[@spykemxd]

@@mezo4197 I'm talking about her function in the show, bruv.

[@mezo4197]

@@spykemxd oi bruv what does that even mean she's a side character that was in the comics she there to justify her brother going out instead of going out alone her being smarter or dumber than him is irrelevant too what does that have to do with anything? Are you saying they made her smarter cause she's a woman? You know one of the smartest characters in the show is Bruno who is male so what's your point exactly other than just makeing shit up to hate? You make this nonexistent issue in your head and then get mad about it you feel like Twitter user.

[@spykemxd]

@@mezo4197 tgen she's a racial prop in the comics, too.

[@ErmIDK19]

so strict Muslim momma wouldn't let her daughter go to a convention calling it a party , but she's cool about her going to an actual party ? okay !

[@liittlemiissd]

Epic video! I loved every second of it!

[@Nyghtmare6380]

Everything that happened at the end of the episode played out just how I saw it coming

[@garrym5682]

You know how Force Awakens was simply A New Hope remade by people who had their brains removed? The direct analogue with Ms Marvel is Tom Holland Spiderman. It's literally the same story, the same characters, situations and jokes - just someone has downloaded the Muslims expansion pack.

[@budgiecat9039]

No uncle or Auntie has died yet lol

[@peterrealar2.067]

Here's the thing though. Holland's Spidey was built from a scrapper, and it reflected in his personality. He also had a more intelligent basis to his start as a hero. He was built from a love of science and was funded generously from a man who was humbled but was also a flawed individual. Kamala, however, is just a fangirl who fawns over the most flat powerful character imaginable. How can we relate with a heroine with no real issues other than her heritage? It's not even a fun heritage either. She's not even an Inhuman, so that takes away what made her remotely special.

[@garrym5682]

@@peterrealar2.067 I'm not at all saying KK isn't a crap character - she absolutely is - and one they've been desperately trying to make happen for years, even though clearly nobody likes her and nobody reads her books. I'm not even defending it, just saying that Ms Marvel isn't as bad as it could be and is aimed at a Nick/Disney channel type audience.

[@peterrealar2.067]

@@garrym5682 I get that, and it's Disney not getting the "wide" audience anymore. Again, Moon Knight was the best thing Marvel produced this year. I saw this coming when they chose the most pathetic writer for this series.

[@garrym5682]

@@peterrealar2.067 I think a lot of people can agree on that - it's only that there is a section of professional commenters who are trying desperately to make bank on problems that just don't really exist. Moon Knight is case in point. It was something different because it had to be - it couldn't just be the same old formula again. I thought Moon Knight was pretty good and an interesting take on an old character - and yet several very prominent people decided that it was some kind of bizarre feminist agenda - which it just wasn't. Don't get me wrong, there are shows / movies that Disney has put out that really have got that treatment - but Moon Knight wasn't one of them, and Ms Marvel is.....unneccessarily burdened with the cultural baggage of the character and really just an ok take on a terrible IP.

[@willpower8061]

This sounds beyond stupid, where's the tragic event that triggers her call to justice? Btw, a mosque, even though men and women pray separate, are kept all tbe same.

[@ghidorah15]

You know not every superhero is defined by tragedy, right? I'm not defending this show by any means; I just reject the notion that only tragedy can breed heroes. Sometimes people just want to make a difference.

[@LastBrainCell01]

@@ghidorah15 true but its kinda less emotional...which is why batman spiderman etc are extremely popular...misery of loss gets more interest... otherwise u have to be "OP AF and still be human" like superman and WW to generate interest ...ORRRR the writing has to be reeeaaaallly frickin solid to cover all that stuff... some kind of tragedy adds to the depth of motivation for any character

[@willpower8061]

@@ghidorah15 I was using that example since its most common. Usually something bad is happening and a person with some sense of right and wrong tries to intervene. She has no call to action that one can relate to, she just seems to want fame.

[@budgiecat9039]

@@willpower8061 Yeah lol Bruno is like 'we should train" then she's like no I have a driving lesson date with my boyfrie-uncle-er-friend along with helping her friend run for Mosque election. Priorities! Then a kid almost dies from the top of the Mosque and instead of saving him right way (pulling him OFF those unstable hard lights she makes, she poses for phone camera shots)

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Not every superhero needs to be defined by tragedy, but there's a reason why that's such a popular theme in superhero origins. This show is a textbook example of how bland and boring superhero origins can be without something like that.

[@milestrombley1466]

Why these stupid companies think teenagers like slice-of-life stuff instead of superhero fighting? People expect more superhero action in the superhero genre.

[@budgiecat9039]

because the people they hire dont have respect for comic books and source material they are just using it to further their own careers hell one of the actors literally said it in an interview. "using this as a springboard"

[@chethammer]

Thanks!

[@daredevil4898]

What a waste 😂🤣

[@chethammer]

Why is it awaste?

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

In my completely unbiased opinion, this was money well spent!

[@charlescaine6022]

Has Kamala admitted to her parents that she lost her expensive bicycle yet?

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

I don't think so. There was too much time devoted to the shoe thief subplot to get into that.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I remember a viral video of a guy going around with a fake petition to get rid of women's suffrage and many women signed it. Pretty much all the women signed it.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

You're doing gods work, Thorias: Watching crap so the rest of us don't have to.

[@animezilla4486]

You know it's nice to see there are some people that like the legend of Korra

[@CyGea]

The "Clown" who fell out of the window, is the Mosque "shoe thief."

[@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307]

Y’know, fantastic 4(2005) gets a lot of hate for not doing a lot of super hero stuff but at least they used their powers during their daily life! This is episode is just Disney channel shit! Just film Ms.Marvel in front of a live studio audience already!

[@Webshooters1]

I will forever defend those movies because they at least FELT like the Fantastic Four even if Doom was inaccurate.

[@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307]

Me too! That Doom was way better than Fat4stic’s Doom tho!

[@GodOfPlague]

I legit liked the first Fantastic Four movie. Didnt care so much for the one with Silver Surfer.

[@Adamguy2003]

I will always like those Fantastic 4 movies. Michael Chiklis in particular made a truly wonderful Thing, just like how I always pictured him from the comics and whatnot and you really felt for him with all the struggles he faced in the first movie.

[@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307]

@ GodOfPlague Yeah, that one was bad but I didn’t mind it too much. Also the game adaptation fucking blows! The first movie game was awesome!

[@chriswaltman5313]

Great review Thorias. Just wondering if you're going to continue reviewing Supergirl? I only ask because those reviews are how I discovered your channel. It would be nice to see you roast their lazy feminist writing.

[@mattbaltimore7195]

Give him time for sure.... You don't want him end up just like Rich Evans and Mike Stoklasa's braincells got ruined after watching Star Trek: Picard....

[@andrewbyrne2173]

@@mattbaltimore7195 you say Picard, I say puke hard.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

The Supergirl reviews kept getting claimed, so I was kind of forced to switch gears. KZbin would probably need to get less draconian with their copyright policy before I could go back to those.

[@Neo-lf4cn]

I always wondered why you never got around to reviewing the rest of season 1 of Supergirl, and that’s a real shame, those reviews are great.

[@jasonsandhu3760]

Thorias got Florida man swag lol

[@hi-q2261]

The new boy's name is called "Condom" 🤣

[@colebuckon3856]

I didn’t watch the episode (haven’t had Disney+ for over a year now), yet if what you’re relaying about the political stuff is true … this is pretty sickening. Marketing a show in the basis of Representation and then turning around to bash the demographic you claim to care about is exploitative and malicious. I had this same gut reaction when I watched the Prey trailer. For all the talk about honoring and respecting the indigenous peoples of the Americas in recent years, the creators of that film put attacking their gender norms front and center. Now these creators are doing the same thing with Islam. I’m not saying that a work can’t analyze or make commentary (including criticism) upon culture. Storytelling, if done well, is a great way to do this. I also think that it’s not unreasonable for diverse groups of people to agree on some issues and then criticize one another once the unifying factor is removed. We all have different values and want to stand up for those values. What bothers me is just how blatant the hypocrisy is here. If Representation extends beyond genetic and psychological factors to culture, then differences of perspective should be included. Culture shouldn’t be treated as just another IP to be exploited to give a story value and then subverted in that same story. This show is already a repeat of Disney Star Wars, Bad Robot Star Trek, Amazon’s Rings of Power, Netflix’s Masters of the Universe … only now, rather than simply spitting on devoted customers who can start spending money on other IPs, they are exploiting and then lashing out at the culture and identity that fundamentally defines the lives of countless millions of people. It is a fundamentally twisted (one might even say “intolerant”) act. If they wanted to tell a story about a modern Muslim girl whose values clashed with tradition, then they should have marketed it as such and dropped any pretense of this being about Representation. If they wanted to do Representation and fighting against anti-Islam prejudice, then I think they could have acknowledged the separation issue in passing, but it shouldn’t have gotten this type of focus. Doing both just makes the show pass judgment upon itself. Also, nitpick: I have no idea how such councils work in Americans mosques, but if they are anything like a parish council in a Catholic Church, I’m doubting that the friend would achieve anything even if she did somehow win the election. Parish councils do things like manage the budget, organize community outreach programs, and generally smooth out the little details so the clergy can focus on religious duties; they don’t have any say over theology, doctrine, tradition, or rites. I suppose that maybe the friend could then allocate budget to remodel the women’s side of the mosque, but I’m doubting she’d be able to wrestle even that budget for that away from more veteran council members. The money would need to be pulled from some other program, after all.

[@nutbunny10]

through my entire life I have never come across a mosque with a women's section. Women just don't go to mosques, it's a thing that men do. I also know that there are some mosques around the world that do have women's sections, but they would never have any section of a mosque degrade or become delapidated compared to other sections, because it's a HOLY HOUSE of GOD! Because it is such an important place, it would be one of the best looked-after buildings around. They're not going to disregard the maintenance of a section of the building because "women"

[@budgiecat9039]

@@nutbunny10 In nearly two-thirds of American mosques, women pray behind partitions or in separate areas, not in the main prayer hall; some mosques do not admit women at all due to the "lack of space" and the fact that some prayers, such as the Friday Jumuʻah, are mandatory for men but optional for women. The first comprehensive Mosque university in history, for example, was Al Azher in Cairo, Egypt. Since its founding more than 1,000 years ago, students have learned about the physical sciences, social sciences, mathematics and medicine, alongside their core religious subjects. Unfortunately, with the passage of centuries and other historical disruptions, many Muslim congregations became disconnected from their mosques as focal points of community life. Gradually, some mosques lost their holistic function and became places reserved only for worship; and wherever this was allowed to happen, Muslims inevitably suffered. At the time of the Prophet, and during the period of the first four Khalifs, women were full participants in the life of their local Mosques. Many women at that time routinely performed their five daily prayers, the Friday Juma prayer, Ramadan Taraweeh prayers and Eid prayers, as part of their mosque congregation. They also took on full roles in educating and defending their communities. Many were teachers, nurses, business professionals, community leaders and political activists. But today in North America, the physical space available to women in our mosques is all too often symbolic of the ground they have lost through the neglect of history. This physical space can be one of five types: 1. No space is allocated for women at all. 2. The women's space is made completely separate from that allocated for men, either in a separate room, on a second-level mezzanine, or in the basement. 3.The women's space is partially enclosed through the use of a movable partition. 4.Women share a space equal in area and parallel to that allocated for the men, but without any physical barriers between them. 5. Women occupy space at the rear which is equal to that of the men, also without any physical separation between their areas. Advocates of the "no-women" mosque argue that females are better off worshipping at home. They base this argument on a single Hadith, narrated by Ibn Khazema, that the Prophet said the prayer a woman makes at home is better than one she makes at the Mosque. But that Hadith was rejected as Gha'reeb (invalid), because it contradicts actual practice during the time of the Prophet and the first four Khalifs when, in fact, women attended Mosque services without restriction or opposition. The other four types of Mosques do try to offer women a specific place, keeping in mind a recorded practice during the time of the Prophet, when a cluster of men, followed by clusters of children and women, would come to worship as a congregation with him. It should be noted that at the time of the Prophet, there were no physical barriers at all between men and women within the mosques. Even today, at Mecca's most sacred Mosque, groups of women and men can join together in congregational prayers, just as they have since the time of the Prophet. When I had to take a class in college of Religions of the World, the term paper had to have us do research at a local religious place, Church, Synogogue Mosque etc. I had a vacation planned with my mom to go to Dubai so I told the teacher I was going there for a week and asked if I could do my paper based on going one of the mosques there and he said sure and I went to one of the biggest ones there and women were permitted in there though in the prayer sections they have partitions. Why a Partition? Among the objectives of the Sunnah are upholding modesty, discouraging unnecessary gender mixing, and creating an environment conducive to engaging with one’s Lord. A proper partition is conducive to fulfilling these objectives and brings other benefits as well: 1.Women do not have to mind their gazes or avoid the gazes of men. 2.Anyone who works or studies in a mixed environment is aware that segregation of genders allows greater focus. 3.Breast-feeding, changing clothing, and other preparations for prayer are easier. 4.Women may focus on their worship without diverting their attention towards maintaining proper hijab. 5.Women can remain in the masjid engaged in dhikr, recitation of Qur’an and learning. fyi I am not Muslim I was trying to figure out what building they used for the Mosque but I couldnt com up with any in Jersey City that resembled it. What I did find that the indoor scenes were filmed at the Islamic Institute of Atlanta, in Atlanta Georgia, and unlike the scene in episode 2, there are no partitions inside that mosque.

[@jeebuschristos8423]

21:00 Of course... it's a Disney production... there is ALWAYS an alley!

[@chethammer]

Hatty Potter, Toy Story, Loony Toons.....all for kids and loved by adults.

[@omnianimator8468]

You know if they had a terogen crystal go off in her community, they would not have to invent stupid problems for her powers to solve. And they could have done that race crap they wanted to do. Give more Muslims acting roles and complain about racism in one, they would also have a villian each episode as a reason for her to use her powers.

[@fortcastellan1730]

So.....Make it Static Shock? Well, if you're going to copy things, you way as well copy things from shows that worked!

[@Shiirow]

Ms "The Message" The TV Show The Series.

[@Barot8]

That seems like padding of the show's runtime. It's supposed to build character but doesn't.

[@insensitive919]

Actually, there's a ton of ATLA fans that think Korra has terrible writing, I see why you might like it, but I'm not so sure that is a great example of a well-written kids show.

[@Jb-9461]

tbf to him there's also been a large uprising of tlok fans, but yeah there definitely are people to dont like it. though id argue books 3/4 have some of the best episodes in the whole avatar franchise.. honestly just book 3 is great

[@garrym5682]

I don't think Ms Marvel is bad, in fact I think it's actually in the realms of competent to good - but it has to be viewed for what it is. It's clearly aimed at a Disney Channel / Wimpy Kid demographic. Imagine remaking Nickolodeon Thundermans with a lot more money and flavouring it with Muslims. That is what it is and what it's mean for. Just like you can't really show Deadpool to parents of 8 year olds and expect them to react positively if you tell them it's for their child. If you try and look at Ms Marvel from a purely adult perspective and compare it to Daredevil or Jessica Jones - of course it's going to come off worse. It's like comparing Hannah Montana to Ozark.

[@evildoughboy7773]

To anybody that cares, the festival of Eid is a month-long fasting ritual where the people try to go from Sun up until sundown without food and water, only breaking the rules if it's detrimental to their health. It's a way of showing respect and understanding to the less fortunate who have no food. Or at least this is how it was explained to me by my Muslim co-worker.

[@budgiecat9039]

so why in this episode, Kamala' tells Bruno its the "lesser one" when Bruno said "Eid again?". There's two Eid's during the year for Muslims. First one is the festival of the break of the fast, which lasts 3 days and the second one comes later in the year as the festival of sacrifice which last only a day. The first one is usually in late Winter /early Spring and the second one is usually early Summer. Not to mention if its the first Eid, in this episode alone, before the Eid, Kamala is eating during the day with Nakia at school lunch and with Kamran at a diner after her driving lesson with him.

[@wonanzal4030]

@@budgiecat9039 the month long ritual (Ramadhan) has ended, and Eid is a celebration to that, thus the stuffing of foods

[@budgiecat9039]

@@wonanzal4030 You didnt read what I said though I said Kamala's mom invited Bruno to Eid and Bruno said to Kamala "Eid..again?" and she said "yeah its the lesser one". Why would Bruno say "Eid again?" and why would Kamala answer him with "yeah, the lesser one"? Because there are two Eid's celebrated during the year. The first one is the 3 day feast that celebrates the end of the month long ritual (Ramadhan), Eid Al-Fitr. The 2nd one, Eid al-Adha is the latter of the two official holidays which are celebrated within Islam. It honors the willingness of Ibrahim to sacrifice his son Ismail as an act of obedience to Allah's command. It lasts 1 day. (hence the "lesser one") They usually differ by three months apart from one another,, the first one taking place usually between Feb and March or March to April depending on the Lunar cycle, and the other usually around June, hence him saying "Eid again?" It wouldnt make sense for Bruno to say "Eid again? if he was talking about Eid al-Adha of 2024 (June) and then 9 months later Eid Al Fitr (festival of breaking fast) happens at end of March 2025. Thats a too long a gap for him to say that. It would make more sense for him to say that when theres a lesser month gap. Plus like I said, Kamala said "the lesser one". Only my gripe with it is if it indeed is supposed to be Eid Al-Adha ("festival of sacrifice") the scene of the show is shot to look like end of Winter early Spring, as everyone is still wearig Winter clothes, which if it is end of Winter/early Spring, would not be the 2nd Eid then (which is during Summer) and thus would indicate the first Eid aka Eid Al Fitr; but the first one contradicts what Bruno and Kamala said, AND Kamala and Nakia are shown eating after dawn at school, as well as Kamala and Kamran ordering food at a diner during the mid day, all before Eid, al Fitr which means they are breaking Ramadan rules by not fasting since you are only allowed to eat at early dawn and at sunset for that month until the three day festival of Eid Al-Fitr. But the Halal food truck guy's truck had a document on it that says March 2025 So its not done right in either Eid. Sloppy work by Marvel.

[@allgoodman3475]

Just finished watching episode 2, I actually liked episode 1, but holy shit that second episode was bad, it was like “let’s throw everything at this and we’ll see how we work this later”

[@kazekamiha]

On the Mosque part; any Muslims here able to vouch on the state of the male and female sections of a Mosque? Is the upkeep any different in some/most of them or it this just BS? I mean I imagined they'd at least sweep/mop the place. Not a Muslim, so no damned idea.

[@Vherstinae]

Having lived in a muslim-majority country, I can tell you it depends. In more westernized areas they're often the same but may be left without upkeep depending on who's in charge of maintenance. It's very rarely entirely dirty and trashed, because you'll usually have at least one person who's religious enough to clean the place of worship. Then again, considering the politics and behavior of the writers, I wouldn't be surprised if their local mosque was utterly squalid because of narcissistic "muslim in name only" trend-chasers who leave the place in filth and every last one of them expects someone else to clean it up.

[@kazekamiha]

@@Vherstinae I imagined.

[@deedee2455]

As a Muslim, it probably can. But rarely as a person in charge of cleaning will clean all area, not just the male or woman section. The problem that I feel usually, not enough space for women to pray because men are expected to pray in the mosques, women are not.

[@budgiecat9039]

@@Vherstinae The show filmed the inside Mosque scenes at the Islam mosque of Atlanta Georgia; I looked up the mosque to see the comparisons and it tracks; the inside of the praying room is just like the show. I noticed in the mosque's website shots there's no partitions though. They are either movable or they dont exist. So the show could have created partitions for the scene. There are mosques in the U.S. and Canada that do not have partitions at all. The bathroom though? That was a different area they filmed altogether. I'm curious why they chose to go all the way down to Atlanta Georgia to film a mosque scene thats supposed to take place in Jersey City right next to NY. Maybe its cheaper to film in Atlanta than NY? Or I also noticed when I googled up the Mosque, it said "permantently closed" on the Google info page. but on the website they're still advertising upcoming Mosque events so clearly something is off. Perhaps they were closed for some time and that was the right available time for Marvel to film on location in 2020 during the pandemic with the lockdowns in addition to maybe being cheaper to film there. And the outside shot of the mosque I have no idea what that was I looked up all 10 or 11 Mosques in Jersey City none of them look like that so either it was a combination of several buildings put together by SFX, or some other building thats not actually a mosque.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

I'm still wondering that where did Kahn got her powers. Because if it is not the bracelet but it is within herself it sounds like they are pulling another Captain Marvel BS! They are going to have to show how she got these powers since it is not from the bracelet then where did she get those powers and when and how?

[@deadprivacy]

muhammeds ghost visited her at the age of six and then again at nine and "implanted " his magic powers with his finger djinn, her father helped.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

@@deadprivacy Is this sarcasm or the truth? Because I was being serious about my question, still am.

[@deadprivacy]

@@JustTooDamnHonest i was just framing the story in a more traditional islamic setting, did you know muhammed was the perfect man? who said all women are evil and hell is full of tehm, though he only said that to get them to give him stuff.....his more consistent schtick is bascially that women are property and the father, brother unle cousin....male head of the household basically transfers ownership of the female upon marriage. when you see someone say "islam is based" wtach them around children, for sure. muhammeds favourite age or marrioage was six, consumted at 9. i id you not, this is islamic scripture. the perfect man, ask a muslim, they have a tsock response to how awful this is, that before muhammed little girls were buried in the desert up to the necks in sand because they were considerd a useless burden on the men. alive, yhey always add the alive bit, and then mhammed came and saved them with sex slavery. thats another interesting aspect of islam, muslim women, if the wear the bag and follow the rules are to be treated as hgher porperty than slave women, who are captured non muslim women whose children and husbands have been killed, thyemust be naked to the waist . wives are limited to four, slaves - as many as allah gifts you in battle. its awar cult, no less.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

@@deadprivacy Wow If that is what being the "perfect man" is then I'm more than happy I am not perfect.

[@deadprivacy]

@@JustTooDamnHonest its beyond crazy, some other islamic tachings, the one they really dont like is the one salman rushdie wrote about, they try to hide it, its the time when muhammed mistakes god for satan, he makes these proclamtions then changes his mind, so he tells his followers stan was able to impersonate god and rick him, so scratch that last scripture. seriously the religiously follow a man who by his own admission cannot differentiate between god and the devil, thats ther prophet and then theres aisha, deadly little aisha, the gilr we think poisoned him, his child bride, there a story in the wuran where she challenges him for being such a pervert and always coming to have sex with her not the other slaves and wives, she argues that he shouldnt have favourite wife i think,, just to try to get rid of him. using his own previous tecahings. rihght there in the quran when he presents his excuse, " iam th prophet i am not subject to these rules, i have spoken with god for special dispensatuon, " basuiically a crtman esque "i do what i wnat" , and ight there, in their own damn book, she outs him as a fraud, "she syas basically " well isnt it fucking convenient that gods plans seem to be perfectly aligned with what you wnat ? convenient huh? he comes back with the famous circular muhammedian logic, he says "im his chosen prohet why wouldnt he" few months later she poisons the cunt.

[@lokai7914]

Great opening!

[@vashishtramoutar8122]

You know, I'm something of godless myself.

[@kidkatanatv]

Yo Thorias we need to make you a suit when you review terrible superhero shows: _Supercritic?_ Hmm

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

I had an idea for a teeshirt design that's sort of like that. I really need to get that teespring store started up already...

[@kidkatanatv]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 We need this to be a reality

[@sheikhu1039]

What happened to Bruno in the comics?

[@andrews4717]

I’m horribly depressed rn so thanks for the slight pick me up bud. Really makes it all worth it

[@smackroscoe]

Whites make the best villains because…white? Write That Down!!!!

[@LastBrainCell01]

😆😆😆

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

This is a go-to plot device for so many of today's writers, it's honestly depressing how predictable it's become.

[@DmanDice]

Us Jersey dwellers never catch a break in Hollywood.

[@TheVioletBunny]

That’s true especially people like me who are from Sussex county farm land. People assume all of this state is an urban shit hole.

[@Karras353]

This is what I mean by being delicate with the culture and religion, whilst also injecting feminism. They so badly want to rail against the blatant example of unequal treatment but to do so might offend a major target demographic. So instead they play it uncharacteristically softly with a weak plot about running for political office, in order to get a new carpet or something. She Hulk was not even remotely this gentle in how it presented even exaggerated or imagined wrongs against women.

[@Groomsman]

Why would any respecting creator try to push away a larger potential audience by saying “It’s not made for you,”? That’s a rhetorical question I know why, but even so with the examples that Thorias gave, and you look at the large amount of adults playing Nintendo games, “it’s not made for you,” has never been a valid excuse

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

"It's not made for you!" is a popular blanket term many creators use to deflect criticism they have no answer to or can't defend themselves against. Easier to say that the show just wasn't made for the people who don't like it rather than actually explain (with legitimate reasons) why the people who don't like it are wrong since, more often than not, the people are criticizing because the product is just not good. It happens more often than you'd think, especially these days.

[@ultra6671]

I still don't get what made Marvel think it was a good idea to drastically change Miss Marvel's powers to avoid confusing audiences with Mister Fantastic when his only appearance prior to this show's premiere was to get slaughtered by Psycho Witch in Multiverse of Madness.

[@tymiller2903]

Well it that and they are going to do a Fantastic Four movie at some point in the future. However the main reason is because she was an inhuman and The Inhumans was one of the worst shows Marvel produced.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

But why put Black Bolt in DS2, thus canonizing the Inhumans in the MCU then? Sure, the Inhumans show was hot garbage, but they were free to just ignore its' existence. Instead, they went out of their way to tell us that the Inhumans ARE a thing and then made Ms Marvel NOT an Inhuman anymore. Doesn't make sense.

[@AssGuardian07]

Its not Her Final Powers director of this show confirmed that the Powers will change as de Series Progress Further! So sit back & enjoy de show

[@vice2versa]

@@AssGuardian07 I honestly doubt that.

[@thanglongnguyenvu3815]

At least it wasn't all bad. The mystery sounds pretty good. But with all that stuff about the mysterious woman being antagonized, there is a chance Kamala will be torn on whose side to lean to. That would be interesting. It would show how she'll deal with the situation.

[@budgiecat9039]

yeah so far theres really no villain; the DODC look like they might be off the bat but maybe theyre not (Maybe theyre Skrulls in dsiguise) i can see her being the antagonist (not necessarily a villain right away) which might be the plot twist when she tries to recruit Kamala but they dont see eye to eye. Then she'll have to fight Kamran or something who is loyal to him mom, but not until after Red Dagger shows up who she might mistake for a villain at first. Oh predictable writing lets gooooo