Thorin's Side - Demystifying Your Successes (Philosophy)

Some thoughts on why demystifying your successes for outsiders is a worthwhile endeavour.
#Philosophy #selfimprovement #Thorin

[@Whatabaws117]

Realizing how many videos Thorin does without any cuts and almost all in a single breath really boggles my mind!

[@christopheboucher3737]

Daniel Goldsbrough I can't stand KZbinrs cutting after each and every sentences! Glad Thorin isn't.

[@melodies5369]

Daniel Goldsbrough Kind of ironic. Makes a video on demystifing yourself and you mystify him lol.

[@christopheboucher3737]

Giving props to good content = mystifing someone?

[@Whatabaws117]

good point... how about i celebrate, not that it seems impossible, but instead acknowledge the effort it takes! :D

[@melodies5369]

Daniel Goldsbrough Sounds good to me!

[@kadji_]

Personally my interest in Counter-Strike has faded quite a bit, and I continued watching Thorin's content specifically for this sort of conversation. Assuming there is a niche other than myself to satisfy here, I think this channel will find consistent success. Maybe we'll even see intelligent conversation rather than signal noise in the comments section. :)

[@johnniemeredith9141]

i've never enjoyed cs:go and i barely keep up with competitive league of legends but i still watch every bit of thoorin's content.

[@RobesonG]

The philosophy bits (particularly in broken boys) were the best parts of thorins thoughts, I love this.

[@danielcoelho2808]

rob g agreed, loved that episode :)

[@captainbartholomeo9889]

I thought it was just me who enjoyed thooorins out there videos he is completely unbiased and incredibly intelligent individual

[@Matthew-cn3fm]

Excellent content.

[@ithppnz]

The Alan Watts of esports that we need.

[@holybruno]

Matt Utter fuck yea

[@mindbodylightsound10]

The Einstein quote made me think of two complementary quotes from classical music composers: 1. "Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal." - Igor Stravinsky 2. "The beauty in art is contained within it's sense of mystery." Claude Debussy (paraphrased from memory)

[@thomaswinzy]

this is EXACTLY what ive wished from thorin a long time :O

[@Matrym_GG]

Really digging the idea of the side channel. Keep this style of content coming please.

[@vgtoasty]

this is an incredible video, thank you so much.

[@felixarbable]

As a watchmaker i get this allot in life, where people just cant comprehend how i make the things i do. It diminishes my work if they think its just talent that turns brass and ruby and gold into a watch. So i always explain the years i spent learning as much as i can and how im still always learning. Ive always lived by the idea that everything difficult is just lots of easy things put together.

[@therealxtremekarma]

Me too, it's a comforting philosophy. My interpretation was that because everything can be broken into easily understandable things, anybody can understand anything, with enough time to process it.

[@aleyzr]

Maybe in 20 years we can come back here and still watch great content like this

[@GouldyTV]

Personally I would sometimes get bored when listening to anything regarding video games. But I listened to this 3 times and it didn't get old. Great work

[@4444Julius]

I am a athlete my self and always find videos like this very useful to improve for me so I just want to thank you because your work like this is great

[@source.mydelusions]

found this channel today and im thinking on watching a lot just for general improvement. any good results in all these years?

[@therealxtremekarma]

I feel a large part of why a lot of people immediately interpret skill as talent is because it removes the guilt they have for not being as good at something as somebody else - it's not their fault they failed or gave up, it's just that they weren't born with it.

[@misteralfredo]

Thorin, really love the ideas you put out here. I'm very glad that you decided to branch out on this channel. I'm excited to hear more of your thoughts. Cheers, mate.

[@j.n.agoston436]

Holy shit Thorin this resonates with me so much. Thanks, looking forward to more of these.

[@johnthecat2150]

Yes! I have been asking if Thorin would start making videos of this nature for close to a year. Seems like enough people have had a similar mind about this. It isn't even really that I think he's an absolute genius, but hearing his thoughts and notions on things outside of competitive gaming helps with better understanding his journalism. Big thumbs up.

[@nuze1]

I really look forward to the content you'll be making here, I expect a lot of what I love from Thorin's Thoughts and more. Keep it up Duncan!

[@DaveSP196]

I would love some NBA videos since you mention it so often. How about your 2016/17 NBA predictions / feelings if you can't think of anything else? I would just like to know some of your points on Basketball.

[@mogyesz9]

To the closing tought: Having this untouchable mysticism helps in many ways. It can inspire people, to strive and struggle to reach the sky and test themself. I think it really depens on the exact field to see the merits of being untouchable or not, but for ideas and philosophy i agree with you.

[@nickshields4167]

love it! keep it going - waited for this ever since you mentioned planning on it!

[@TheBinaryHappiness]

This is a great idea and the kind of content why I watched your esports videos even though I am not really into it that much. Keep it coming, Thorin.

[@foxfable1372]

Loved Thorin's thoughts on team dynamics specifically and a lot of points he brought up were applicable across any game really but after league and csgo fell off for me I stopped watching his videos. This channel is a great idea and probably my new favorite. Can't wait to see what he has lined up.

[@Razor2143]

And so it begins..

[@jompsteri]

noooah, nowy tends

[@arkk_drifter]

Thanks so much for this video Thorin! This channel was such a great find, your Esports journalism is so very eye opening but these vlogs about your personal philosophies are just plain enlightening.

[@Ranca666]

This channel is gonna be a fucking gold mine. I really appreciate this, Duncan!

[@CaffeineAddict]

Loved the video! i watched you whole 4 hour Q&A just for content like this even though I don't follow CS

[@jamieryan1087]

Congratulations on the new channel thorin. I got into your content through the counterstrike scene, but found most my love for your video lies in the Life videos , as well as your historical content giving me a glimpse into what the quake and 1.6 scenes were like. I wish you all the best in this channel and your future successes, thanks for making the content I enjoy and your one of my heroes. don't get me wrong, there's lots of stuff that bugs me about you, and times I think your a bit off, or talking out of context.... but I hate aspects of all my heroes, because they were all people not afraid to show the bad with the good because it's who they are! keep it up buddy!

[@MBurnsy]

Loving this from you Thorin, I look forward to more :)

[@SirDono_]

I'd like to think every Thorin vid makes me smarter, enjoyed it, keep it up

[@roivas123]

That part of the alan moore interview you linked to is great, I'll try to go back to that in the future and look into it. The whole idea of social status/class being a limited thing and to give to some people means to take away from others and take away even more harshly from a smaller number, possibly causing them to feel insignificant in comparison is really interesting. I feel like while there are celebrities that some people revere to the point of godliness, they tend to be scared to interact with them and in that way that person becomes a little less human. While in comparison the celebrity that comes across as more humble and gives you a peek into their failings tends to give people the feeling that they are approachable, and at least personally I like those kinds of people as much if not more than those who have not been able to or intentionally don't demystify themselves.

[@Benutzername0000]

finally. i was waiting for this channel

[@jeromeboesch5883]

great content and format

[@benfrench3541]

Excellent content, please produce as much and as varied content as possible

[@rock4prolife]

Thorin can you please tell us more about ur self, do you have a girlfriend, what do you think of relationships in general, you dont have to give us detail info about ur personal life, ur brain is amazing and i would love to hear ur thoughts!

[@ThatSteemBloke]

oooooooooh boy am I looking forward to this.

[@TheElectriczil]

This video is fantastic

[@henkvananvers7990]

Keep it up Thorin. Very good vid

[@TheElectriczil]

Waited for this for so long

[@cerealsgames3118]

These are amazing.

[@run4life2]

I watch this video every couple of months for inspiration

[@CoolaSports]

Fantastic video

[@lukabozic5]

Great topic! GJ!

[@jaafar5245]

This is so true! Like the first example I thought of is seeing a good wrestler at practice. The first thing I thought of is "they were probably always this in shape they're just naturally good", without realizing the amount of work and effort they put in. Think about listening to Thorin? You probably think "oh he's just a good talker/writer" without realizing the amount of effort he put in learning!

[@forever12372]

That's a talent itself to use time efficiently

[@jesslin2346]

You must be some really stupid person if you thought like that when looking at a wrestler at first. Haha

[@jaafar5245]

Jess Lin HAHA so funny HAHA

[@jesslin2346]

Jaafar At least you can understand how stupid you must be. :)

[@dzeksondzekson]

It would be very nice if You would link in description some philosophy books, sources, even thing You are talking about, people, excerpts, links, videos. Anything pretty much you can pick up additionally from your talks or get in depth with. Thanks in Advance, really fond of this channel so far.

[@boomshroomgoonmoon]

Thank you for this channel mang

[@Nathan-hs2ut]

We need more Thorin's Side.

[@B0lzenlol]

i personally enjoy these kind of videos alot more than the esports one

[@DenverCole_]

I would also say it makes you better at whatever talent you have. If you lend your process to other, then it makes you work harder or improve in a separate way to keep your share in the field.

[@DenverCole_]

Also I recently got into sports writing and would like to thank you for giving me inspiration on how to write articles and put out content that is both informative and interesting for readers

[@dv4manu]

The second channel is live baby

[@Alanixs2242]

Thanks you thoorin, really needed this :)

[@GrandOperational]

I understand what you mean by saying that altruism doesn't exist, because serving others can technically serve yourself; either in that doing for others makes you feel good, or that doing for others directly benefits you in some way. Perhaps we should define altruism as being able to always choose the best option for everyone, and having a resilience towards doing so even when it may in the short run be at a detriment to oneself.

[@ggzii]

This is definitely true BUT you cannot reach the top top level without that natural gift / knack for the skills that are then honed / trained . If you need an Amazing Serve and Net game to become a top tennis player then obviously everyone starts out poorly and improves but the persons natural ability to be better after training kicks in and the elevate past a level that someone without the natural gift simply cannot achieve. Put it this way, Ronaldo has an insane leap and jump and he trains it and thus gets better. However at Manchester United he never even headed the ball until the later stages where he was told he would pick up goals that way. He then went on to train and realised he had an insane natural leap and header game that cannot be matched. So yes while at the beginning others may have been better then him and reach a very high level, but you won't beat a top guy (Ronaldo) that trains his natural ability further. Talent without hardwork is nothing, BUT Hardworking talent is where magic happens

[@holybruno]

videofletcher no. lol

[@forfail]

Your examples are all in relation to sports. I'd agree that 'talent' in that case is important, because there are certain physical attributes that are very important for you to succeed, and if you win the genetic lottery and are a hardworker magic will happen. I'd also argue that 'talent'/"natural" affinity or whatever you want to call it probably has a diminishing return. Up to a certain level it will carry you far, until hard work prevails. At the very top echelons of skill it might start mattering again, though.

[@SkyLukeComedy]

videofletcher people talk about natural gifts tho like you have a natural gift to run a football. No you dont, but these athletes have a natural desire to train. To push themselves. to work 8 hours a day, tired or not. To never give up, and to give up everything.

[@SkyLukeComedy]

it's not about "talent". Jordan wasn't better than anyone else. He wasn't faster, stronger, taller. He simply worked harder. His instincts pushed him further.

[@matthewdavies1536]

Just to add on to what you said... Not going to get into the argument of 'does talent exist' or not, but the 'talent' lies not in running or kicking or throwing, like you said, but in the athlete's/artist's drive to work harder, longer, more efficiently, to learn from others. This is what makes them so good at what they do. This next bit is a bit bullshit. Perhaps when some people see someone who is young and very skilled, they sometimes assume that their ability must come from natural talent, without thinking that maybe that person actually just had a very fortunate background or upbringing, in that it gave them the skills to develop themselves and to work hard for themselves, leading to being very good at something. Because they're so young, people might assume that they can't have worked hard for their skill because they wouldn't have had time for it, but in reality it was just down to fortunate circumstance in their childhood.

[@kamikazeops]

Great video, would love to hear your thoughts on upcoming barclays atp world tour finals.

[@shaytal100]

Well said!

[@Leftyballer]

holy I'm so excited

[@DaNinjaWhoCamps]

Keep making this type of content!!! Where did it go??

[@Infighter_]

Awesome content

[@schwii.-9306]

Thooorin is honestly my favorite philosopher. Idc what y'all may say, he's always had this tone that really made me think about this ideas. It sticks out. Honestly there was more videos like this on his channel.

[@ZineTurduken]

Hey Thorin, what do you think of Portrait and Ulysses? I'd love to see a video devoted to James Joyce, although I'm not sure if the esports community or the world would be ready for it! ;)

[@says0rry]

More Thorin's side content please

[@michaelliu2056]

@Thorin, did you forget to link the video or just forget? I'm really interested in watching the video, I love me some Alan Moore.

[@OwenKCS]

Great video! What is the point of demystifying yourself in an environment that is so competitive that it doesn't really matter. E.g. Med school.

[@avi1212avi]

Conclusion ~ Teamwork OP!

[@phhiemstra]

Another effect related this is the Dunning-Kruger effect. Although here people that lack ability overestimate their own proficiency, and do not recognize the real skill the expert has. In addition, people with skill tend to underestimate their proficiency, they falsely assume that if they can do it other people must be able as well. This can lead to nasty situations where people without skill override people with skill because they falsely assume they know better.

[@toffeeFairy]

I never belifed in talent, because people would often say i'm talented in something, even tough i had just invest either more time, or used a similar time more effective.

[@awesomeSquirel]

Where is a Thorin Subreddit to have good discussions about his vids? They are amazing.

[@damiens1998]

Dá di comment section.

[@awesomeSquirel]

hahahahah, good joke mate. You really think you can have a good discussion in the comment section?!? lol

[@damiens1998]

Dá di yes, i do. you just have to be older than 12.

[@Xavyer13]

You've planted a seed of demystifycation that'll grow in Costa Rica, cheers

[@knorrli0]

Hey thooorin, I really like your work and keep going on like this:), but for me as foreigner(swiss) it is sometimes hard to fully understand the content...subtitles would help alot, but I know that adding subtitles is a lot of work...

[@therealxtremekarma]

Ask me what bits you don't understand, I can transcribe them/translate them into German.

[@knorrli0]

xtremekarma just some certain words which are not part of "standart" college english...but ty

[@mightymarcin]

If anyone is interested in the point raised with Joyce and audience interpretations, I recommend Roland Barthes' Death of the Author

[@bloodking35]

why did I not know about this until now

[@juanme555]

we setting records now.

[@ross.wilson]

you should do a podcast

[@EustaceKirstein]

this is kind of a videocast... just convert this to mp3 and you're golden

[@KingDempz]

This is almost a development of the thinking behind the "Dunning Kruger Syndrome". The observer being so unskilled, they don't understand what it is that makes a person skilled. Although in this case they degrade themselves due to this thought, whereas dunning Kruger suggests they elevate themselves due to the ignorance. Possibly two ends of a spectrum.

[@Gjoseph0203]

In terms of Talent, Natural talent and developed talent are more or less the same thing. The difference is the amount of work you put in to achieve the same level. Talent is the desire to practice. I believe that developed talent will always trump Natural talent since it comes from experience. Truth be told, they are one in the same, 2 sides of the same coin.

[@milo3729]

Should we now refer to him as Lord Thorin?

[@ihqprinssessajooh96]

Give him his knighthood already, Lord Duncan "Thorin" Shields!

[@kamilolearczuk4652]

Senpai Tho?

[@AzuraSkyy]

I think a phenomenon similar to that which are discussing is known as Illusory Superiority. Its a fundamental lack of understanding a talent or art as a result of not being good or knowledgeable of it themselves. EDIT: I hope you'll read some comments on this channel as the subscriber base is probably a bit more interested in discussing stuff other than memes.

[@scottmiester999]

Hey, this hobo has some pretty good insight

[@holybruno]

ONLY PHILOSOPHY PLEASE. TYTY

[@quinxx12]

I think many guys don't realize that you can also apply that to getting better with girls.

[@comp1excsgo174]

Anyone excited to see him talk about movies?

[@DJTIGGERremixes]

Could you argue that demystifying your success, turning you into an "equal" in relation to someone who's just starting out in journalism, could actually be a demotivator when someone experiences failure? As in, "well Thorin managed to do X thing, so I should have been able to be successful at it".

[@conductor4a47]

The real question is when Thoorin will make CS-go TEAM and Coach it or Co-coach it with YNK or somebody.

[@simargl2454]

Thorin's Dank Side

[@LordChrom]

But I still can understand why some artists or sportsmen want to be mystify. If they have that fame, every project they do, every game they play will create expectations and will attract people who want to watch the latest thing about their idol. Being mystified will make them get more fans and maybe get into the news. However, I agree with you that if you allow people to see how you do what you do, they will be encouraged to follow your path, and you will gain fans that want to learn from you, instead of fans that want an idol who idiolize. But I think it was important to let other people see the other point of view.

[@LordChrom]

Robert Y The topic is about people with fanbase, so obviously this people are famous. And I don't understand who are you talking about when you say 'they have their good reason'. Are you talking about the people who mystify their public character or the people who demystify what they do?

[@LordChrom]

The video isn't about the character, but about being mystified about your working methods

[@tuaddaut3633]

This doesn't apply from a competitors point of view though. For example, say you're a tennis player. You don't really benefit from demystifying your success, revealing your struggles or the processes that helped you to improve a particular skill. If anything, if your goal is to win, in that case you actually benefit from hiding them since your opposition will not be able to somehow use that knowledge against you or use it to improve themselves.

[@allpepsi4me]

TuaD DauT sometimes the game is more important than the player

[@matthewdavies1536]

Yes and Thorin said as much during the video. This is more about how he wants to demystify his success, not that everyone should be doing it.

[@OrganicStuff1]

Thorlamane the God

[@Lol-zj1kl]

Nice

[@gandalf9952]

True for example me and my friend in cs he's gn4 (after update) I'm gn3 (after update) and his play style is so confusing his aim is good for his rank and he's a good awper/rifler, so I use to say o I'm so better my play style is similar in stewie2k and he is slow and getting kills while not hunting for kills, but now when I see him we're both equal,

[@samesame5727]

????????

[@gandalf9952]

@@samesame5727 bruh, I’m 22 now

[@CatnamedMittens]

It's 10% luck, 20% skill...

[@josephl894]

What's more admirable, someone that works hard and drops thousands of hours with a lot of failure along the way into a developing a particular skill to achieve mastery, or someone that's as you sort of put it (I think), just a talented genius. Surely you have the self awareness to understand that being an extremely hard worker is more respectable than the latter no? Is it really not to you are am I mistaken??

[@pisssant]

Hardworkers are common, therefore, less valued than geniuses (by society). But what actually matters is results.

[@TheUNDEFINDED]

I really hope this will not die out because there not enough viewer :/

[@JuicyG_]

Thorin's CS:GO videos weren't gaining views and subscriber all that quickly when it originally kicked off. Hoping that this finds a niche outside of CS:GO and LoL, hopefully will find an audience in other eSports and in mainstream viewership. Don't think Thorin care's for the viewership as much as expression of ideas, but don't expect as frequent uploads due to being a secondary channel.

[@davidlawrence8189]

I think he enjoys doing these videos quite a bit though. So viewership probably isn't the sole motivating factor.

[@JustSluipere]

I like dubstep

[@vwxyz3406]

Thorin & Jeremy Clarkson, make it happen :D

[@MrAlien911]

i luv u

[@legendofsource]

I think people who need their success to be recognised as "hard work and dedication" and not "natural talent / luck" are all mostly insecure. In almost all sports everybody works very hard at what they do, and what decides who is the best is simply raw skill, or maybe a way of thinking about the game that nobody else has, it is never someone who is not a natural who applies some philosophy to the game and then becomes a god. Why do you need your ego to be recognised so much? How is it not a huge compliment pointing out someone's excellent ability to do something? Why does it always need to be reframed so that your conscious mind and your decision making is responsible for your success instead of it just being an aspect of who you are? Is success not meaningful unless you consciously followed a philosophy that would make it more likely for you to be successful?

[@v1ct0rh4n7]

Do a video on Casey Neistat and his endorsement of Hillary Clinton, like Richard Lewis did.

[@MotivationalMAC]

Thorin looking like Zach Galifianakis

[@fuar3630]

ayyy

[@BillyHashbrown]

I like Csgo