The riddle of experience vs. memory | Daniel Kahneman

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www.ted.com Using examples from vacations to colonoscopies, Nobel laureate and founder of behavioral economics Daniel Kahneman reveals how our "experiencing selves" and our "remembering selves" perceive happiness differently. This new insight has profound implications for economics, public policy -- and our own self-awareness.
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@sirushti1132
@sirushti1132 9 ай бұрын
RIP to this brilliant man.
@alinao625
@alinao625 5 жыл бұрын
This man is brilliant! ...."We don't choose between experiences, we choose between memories of experiences." ..."We think about the future as anticipated memories."
@TheDionysianFields
@TheDionysianFields 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but it's really all about subjective well-being, which is a term he failed to mention. We don't just remember, we subconsciously analyze. We also do a lot of comparing our lives to our friend's and neighbor's.
@mdarrenu
@mdarrenu 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheDionysianFields He's a smart guy - but it seems its always about reframing the words - to me, what's the different between memories of experiences and experiences. Semantics.
@fineasfrog
@fineasfrog 4 жыл бұрын
@@mdarrenu Is there a difference in experiencing a kiss now and remembering the kiss a day, a week, a year later? Better yet consider this. Rumi said: "There is some kiss we want with the whole of our lives." Rumi is referring to a transformation of our ordinary consciousness. Our ordinary consciousness can be seen to start with the development of the ordinary sense of being a separate self. And that self can be happy or not happy (and all gradations in between). After the 'kiss' that Rumi refers to which may take 10, 20, 30 years or more, we are left with a consciousness that is joyful regardless of circumstances or passing thoughts that may be occurring in the moment.
@MylesKillis
@MylesKillis 3 жыл бұрын
@@mdarrenu memories are incomplete and biased by other memories and emotions. If you read the book you'd know that.
@sudoPrivileges
@sudoPrivileges 3 жыл бұрын
This is obvious actually. You can only choose from what you remember.
@woohooflowers
@woohooflowers 6 жыл бұрын
love his quote "We think about the future as anticipated memories"
@jlc012
@jlc012 10 жыл бұрын
Now I know why those fuckers at disney spend millions in incredible fireworks shows with heart warming music just before they close the park. They know that your remembering self will soon forget the incredibly long lines, overpriced merchandise, sore feet, etc. And all that will remain is that last memory when everything was magical if only for that brief moment. And you will keep coming back for more.
@belovedho
@belovedho 9 жыл бұрын
jlc012 lol
@d0rv
@d0rv 9 жыл бұрын
jlc012 You better believe they have money to do that research and implement the results
@ryanw1140
@ryanw1140 7 жыл бұрын
So much emphasis on "the grand finale"
@DanielGennaro
@DanielGennaro 6 жыл бұрын
I was making the same relation to the news.... 28 minutes worth of FEAR and the last 2 minutes of some puppy dog rescued from a tree or the 3 year old doing a good deed..... lol
@AWesome01234
@AWesome01234 9 ай бұрын
You were a great influence in my life. RIP. You and your wisdom will be missed.
@onemanenclave
@onemanenclave 6 жыл бұрын
'Money doesn't buy you happiness, but lack of money certainly buys you misery.'
@arunagunatilake
@arunagunatilake 6 жыл бұрын
Fled From Nowhere Lack of money buys you opportunities
@thomasrobert9743
@thomasrobert9743 5 жыл бұрын
do you know if he has published those results?
@mrp9023
@mrp9023 4 жыл бұрын
Strange, some of the happiest people I have met have had little to no money...
@Q_QQ_Q
@Q_QQ_Q 4 жыл бұрын
lol
@markt7381
@markt7381 3 жыл бұрын
you cannot 'buy' misery...but you can choose to experience misery..in that contrast / conntext
@WorldCollections
@WorldCollections 11 жыл бұрын
Key point: "What defines a story are changes, significant moments and endings; endings are very, very important. [...] Time has very little impact on the story."
@jiahuizhang8493
@jiahuizhang8493 9 ай бұрын
I blind-picked thinking fast and slow at a bookstore last month. I was about one third into the book now and wondered to watch his presentations. I was listening to this talk and browsing the comments, and then realized he passed away a day ago 😢 RIP Daniel. You will forever be remembered 🙏
@hotmango5647
@hotmango5647 8 ай бұрын
I actually started his book like 3 days after his death
@AH-mf6su
@AH-mf6su 4 жыл бұрын
"We don't choose between experiences, we choose between memories of experiences" & "future choices are not about experiences, they are about anticipated memories" ... something to think about when designing for an experience!
@KaneyoshiSouji
@KaneyoshiSouji 11 жыл бұрын
I'm completely floored. Wow. Amazing talk. (And his voice is so comforting!)
@katarinaveltri9144
@katarinaveltri9144 4 жыл бұрын
im completely ceilinged
@xlynx9
@xlynx9 10 жыл бұрын
All is well that ends well; all is bad that ends bad. Romantic relationships are the quintessential example of this.
@sawdust6148
@sawdust6148 7 жыл бұрын
gammarayburst Good point
@andrewrae8064
@andrewrae8064 3 жыл бұрын
brah moment
@berni1602
@berni1602 5 жыл бұрын
I just finished reading his book "thinking fast and slow" and I have to admit that it's amazing! The theories it includes as well as the examples and mental exercises we get to do, makes the book an interesting activity, interacting with it is great. I admire a lot this man: merging psychology and economics. A must-read book.
@yteuropehdgaming9633
@yteuropehdgaming9633 2 жыл бұрын
The Muller-Lyer illusion at the beginning of the book was quite interesting. That illusion by itself shows how our brain is susceptible to making mistakes when it comes to impulsive and automatic reactions.
@shubham_k
@shubham_k 3 жыл бұрын
Clearly, the remembering self dominates the experiencing self. It's been so well illustrated in Thinking Fast And Slow. Incredible video quality of this Ted Talk, though it's 11 years old.
@theprimalpitch190
@theprimalpitch190 6 жыл бұрын
"... a reluctance to admit complexity..." - nailed it! AND "Endowed with a better story" - now we're validating (legitimately) Tony Robbins who gives clients a positive story about their life past/present and future. Great stuff here.
@alexandredecourspianonancy2093
@alexandredecourspianonancy2093 6 жыл бұрын
This is pure genius. Thank you for your work Dnaiel Kahneman.
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 15 жыл бұрын
I think they "enjoy" themselves as well... that's the whole idea behind this lecture. These people are driven to "happiness" by accomplishment, rather than enjoying each individual moment. I've been a part of a few projects, and there is a big "high" that one gets by accomplishing a goal, and that targets our remembering selves. We almost see it as a "I'm wearing myself thin to accomplish something that I'll remember." Each minute on Mt. Everest is pretty crappy, but the top is awesome.
@marcellocapone4925
@marcellocapone4925 9 жыл бұрын
One of the best talks on TED. I can't believe I didn't see this sooner.
@archiscape
@archiscape 7 жыл бұрын
A Box of Memories Yesterday I lived the past, I yearned and yearned for it to last But oh, how time will not stand still, It surges on against the will. Your dreams your scenes of yester year, They waft they flow so crystal clear, You almost hear the voices sound, You stand, you wait, you look around. But oh, the surging heartbeat quells Neath the blackbird’s song and summer smells, You journey on in ecstasy You realise, it’s just a box of memories. Christy 1922-2005
@halcyon5921
@halcyon5921 3 ай бұрын
Niceeeee one!!!!
@irevelato
@irevelato Жыл бұрын
I love how he leaves people waiting for every word he is about to say
@projectjt3149
@projectjt3149 4 жыл бұрын
This really reminds me of the story behind the Veggietales film "It's a Meaningful Life" (a spin-off of "It's a Wonderful Life"). In it, the main character is living a pretty wealthy life. He is managing a strong family business and has a loving wife and kids. Yet, he wouldn't say he has a "happy" life because what lingers in his head is if he caught a football in an important game for his school's football team. It hurts him even more when he realizes the one who caught the ball is a star. There we have the contrast between living a "happy" life and looking at oneself as a "happy" person. And there's no correlation but rather a division of these two things (until the main character resolves this conflict).
@zadeh79
@zadeh79 9 жыл бұрын
Here is a quote regarding JOhn Von Neumann, "Two bicyclists start twenty miles apart and head toward each other, each going at a steady rate of 10 mph. At the same time a fly that travels at a steady 15 mph starts from the front wheel of the southbound bicycle and flies to the front wheel of the northbound one, then turns around and flies to the front wheel of the southbound one again, and continues in this manner till he is crushed between the two front wheels. Question: what total distance did the fly cover? The slow way to find the answer is to calculate what distance the fly covers on the first, northbound, leg of the trip, then on the second, southbound, leg, then on the third, etc., etc., and, finally, to sum the infinite series so obtained. The quick way is to observe that the bicycles meet exactly one hour after their start, so that the fly had just an hour for his travels; the answer must therefore be 15 miles. When the question was put to von Neumann, he solved it in an instant, and thereby disappointed the questioner: "Oh, you must have heard the trick before!" "What trick?" asked von Neumann, "All I did was sum the geometric series." It's clear then that certain solutions are best developed with less conscious deliberation, rather the ability to automatically attract distant ideas into some novel permutation, and then upon a slight moment of reflection, realize there is something useful there.
@crow1999x
@crow1999x 9 жыл бұрын
Smart dude
@fahimahmed9567
@fahimahmed9567 8 жыл бұрын
+Ztech im curious to kno.......
@TheRABIDdude
@TheRABIDdude 6 жыл бұрын
The last sentence (if you can even call it that) is way too wordy for people to understand. I've read it over 6 times and I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. It's a shame because the rest of it was pretty interesting and I'd like to know the take-home message. English please.
@pineapplegodguy
@pineapplegodguy 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheRABIDdude if you are not too zealous you will need to create detours for solving problems, which might actually help shed a different light on the problems themselves. Von Neumann in this example was way too "mathematically zealous", so he did not have to take the detour to solve the problem and, on this occasion, he passed on the chance to uncover a deeper idea.
@patrickellah9803
@patrickellah9803 4 жыл бұрын
TheRABIDdude Von Neumann need to “think Slow” even though his “Fast thinking” capabilities outstripped, in terms of speed, normal abilities. He was a renowned polymath after all.
@isamisset1578
@isamisset1578 6 жыл бұрын
An excerpt of this TED talk was used in my philosophy final exam I took today! Incredibly interesting!
@moctarbebaha7582
@moctarbebaha7582 12 жыл бұрын
I am here while reading thinking fast and slow
@shouryadriptasircar3923
@shouryadriptasircar3923 4 жыл бұрын
Same!
@mudassirshahzadkk
@mudassirshahzadkk 4 жыл бұрын
Same for me. Amazon book.
@riefkariefani7552
@riefkariefani7552 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@dileepkumar-td6xv
@dileepkumar-td6xv 3 жыл бұрын
Same here !!
@squareknowledge3153
@squareknowledge3153 3 жыл бұрын
Hope it makes you learn faster
@Whatever4103uh8k
@Whatever4103uh8k 4 жыл бұрын
His book "Thinking fast and slow" is really good! Everyone should read and learn from it.
@mcleanephatha
@mcleanephatha 5 жыл бұрын
This Ted talk is so underrated!
@a.avicenna2153
@a.avicenna2153 5 жыл бұрын
A brilliant lecture from the author of the inspiring book „thinking fast and slow“
@waqaryounas2856
@waqaryounas2856 9 ай бұрын
RIP, Daniel. You changed the way I used to think.
@INDIANXxhgpp9907
@INDIANXxhgpp9907 2 жыл бұрын
4:00our memories tell us stories 6:30 what defines a story 9:10 experiencing self
@osh007
@osh007 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much dada
@kaustubhchakrabarti2400
@kaustubhchakrabarti2400 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the speech sir. Thank you so much. It is a privilege to learn from you
@saltymat2052
@saltymat2052 Жыл бұрын
They are distinct but also can affect each other at the same time so it is so complicated
@bharatpopat9835
@bharatpopat9835 3 жыл бұрын
Daniel is a great thinker. If you like this video, you must read his two books - "Thinking - fast and slow" and "Noise" (he is the co-auther of the second title). I just loved both
@marctwain8273
@marctwain8273 Жыл бұрын
get it
@tonysouter8095
@tonysouter8095 7 жыл бұрын
Loved it. One thing though, if we're going to get technical: since we can't be aware of the psychological present until it's loaded into our memory and registered in consciousness, perhaps we should distinguish "the experiencing self" and "the remembered self" instead as the self based on recently loaded and still-activated memory, versus memory now dormant but still retrievable into the focus of attention? (The last bit is VERY Kahnemanian!)
@CountaPhobia
@CountaPhobia 2 жыл бұрын
I look at it a bit differently, and more from an evolutionary perspective. The experiencing self is something we probably share with most other animals. The remembering self is the attempt made by the brain to reflect and make future decisions based on past experiences. Because the remembering self is so new it is full of flaws and biases.
@1schwererziehbar1
@1schwererziehbar1 15 жыл бұрын
but when you stop yourself when it's still easy you will look at what you have achieved so easily and feel good and look forward to working again the next day. this works very well for me.
@dij7878
@dij7878 13 жыл бұрын
This is a GREAT presentation! The 33 "dislikes" are just plain idiots. There is no good rational reason to dislike this informative and educational presentation.
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 15 жыл бұрын
I like this. I noticed a lot of this while playing a certain popular game online. So many people focus and rush through the game to get to the best armor and the best level, etc... so much so that they forget to enjoy GETTING there.
@gdemir89
@gdemir89 5 ай бұрын
"If you ask for happiness of the remembering self, it's a completely different thing. This is not about how happily a persone lives. It is about how satisfied or pleased the person is when that person thinks about her life. "
@SSSyndrome214
@SSSyndrome214 12 жыл бұрын
Definitely one of the better TED talks. I can tell this one is going to have me thinking about how to maximize my memory of happiness rather than my fleeting experience of happiness over the next few days.
@krugger911
@krugger911 2 жыл бұрын
I know this was 10 years ago, but I interpreted this talk very differently, and I wonder who of us is wrong. I don't think he's arguing that we need to pander more to our reflective self - in fact, he makes it quite clear that the reflective self is fallible. I'd argue actually that this talk highlights the need for mindfulness and genuine connection with experience, rather than doing things solely for the anticipated memories.
@mawriter
@mawriter 4 жыл бұрын
정말 훌륭하고 감명깊은 영상이었습니다. 감사합니다 교수님.
@damorevo4013
@damorevo4013 7 жыл бұрын
Larry David is such a smart guy
@nataliaskubida1195
@nataliaskubida1195 5 жыл бұрын
Damo Revo a much underrated comment
@politicsgeek
@politicsgeek 4 жыл бұрын
Damo Revo ahaha good one
@johnrodrigues429
@johnrodrigues429 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@kwameanane-crane5145
@kwameanane-crane5145 7 жыл бұрын
This is really good....I now see why I don't feel happy despite having a great life now...I am burdened by my remembering self!
@CherieHanson
@CherieHanson 13 жыл бұрын
We construct our reality in our revisioning of experience. Knowing the present is one of the most difficult skills in life. Keeping score is what we practice and become brilliant at constructing. fascinating to see how quickly we restructure an experience after living it. miliseconds.
@bruceli9094
@bruceli9094 2 жыл бұрын
Experience is usually temporary, while memories are lasting. That's why people take photos of an event of adventure because they want it be lasting in their minds, and memories can fade. So, experience and memory; both are as real to our Psyche as we want it to be.
@utubepredator
@utubepredator 11 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried to go on with your day, and look at every second of it as if you were watching an old videotape of a day in your grandfather's life? It's a guaranteed weird sensation, and can get you depressed, but can also shake you up like nothing else. Plus you risk becoming more serious about everything you do...
@Ama-i8v5u
@Ama-i8v5u 14 күн бұрын
I found the way he conceptualized our decision making fascinating. If we are controlled by our remembering self then it is the same as what is called top down processing. Down up would be an effort to look at the environment and process the tangible cues or data. We really are influenced by our cognition to search of find something specific. The future could really just be us repeating the past if we are on the lookout for the sensations we have had before even unconsciously.
@gypsylady3200
@gypsylady3200 10 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite TEDtalks!
@Ebvardh
@Ebvardh 12 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to defeat this cognitive bias in my day to day life and I've had quite an interesting result regarding pain and accidents. I don't really feel them now. I've always been very clumsy and accident prone, I've broken a couple of bones and gotten into a bunch of fights, so I'm very familiar with pain. What I've discovered is that people exaggerate their pain. If you hit your head, the worst part is only the first few seconds, and that's it. Now I'm more able to "walk the pain off".
@JohnnyArtPavlou
@JohnnyArtPavlou 6 жыл бұрын
Ebvardh Boss, I try to distinguish pain pain and suffering. Which is easier to do when I'm not experiencing pain.
@rupamjoshi7936
@rupamjoshi7936 5 жыл бұрын
Game of thrones, Endings are very very important....
@private440
@private440 11 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for inventing behavioral economic :)
@princeofexcess
@princeofexcess 15 жыл бұрын
federal laws should be very basic like no stealing killing and harming other people physically. Everything else should be left up to state. This way people can choose what laws they want to live under
@orawal
@orawal 14 жыл бұрын
Wow. I am so glad to have seen this extraordinarily inspiring video! What a wonderful orator and a human being! I will from now on be looking at life though a different lens. thanks for posting this!
@johnplink
@johnplink 4 жыл бұрын
I remember reading a discussion in which the author poses the following question: Would you be willing to pay for a wonderful experience if you would not be able to remember it? The discussion I remember reading is almost identical to the one starting at 11:13, so I believe Daniel Kahneman is the author of the book I read. Can anyone tell me the title of the book and where the discussion appears?
@ujjwalmishra928
@ujjwalmishra928 2 жыл бұрын
Thinking fast and slow
@johnplink
@johnplink Жыл бұрын
@@ujjwalmishra928 Thank you.
@samala51
@samala51 11 жыл бұрын
Meditation has changed my life, and improved my memory (minor side effect).
@nelan3334
@nelan3334 Жыл бұрын
TED has finally talked in this video! :)
@pelicanbird901
@pelicanbird901 5 жыл бұрын
The question about public policy based on these findings is based on the wrong premise. It is not the role of government to provide us with happiness, but to protect our rights of pursuit of happiness. BIG difference.
@ashsharma477
@ashsharma477 6 жыл бұрын
So is he saying that we should live then to create good memories for our remembering self (make sure it ends well and has lots of changes but doesn't necessarily need to be enjoyable throughout) or that we should strive to live in the experiencing self in which we fight recollection of experience all together?
@redchangoTRDD
@redchangoTRDD 15 жыл бұрын
As a fellow hiker, I understand what you are saying. Two possibilities I can think of; it's either 'suffering that you want vs. suffering you don't want' ... or 'suffering due to one's own activities vs. suffering at the hands of others'. I'm thinking the latter because there is that sense of achievement after a long hike.
@NewEarth25
@NewEarth25 9 жыл бұрын
Is remembering self what we call 'awareness' that is free of time and place boundaries? Do we remember 'emotionally charged meaningful events good or bad' more than emotionally flat neutral events? I agree the happiness of the remembering 'self aware' self that is making a journey thru time to fulfill its promise/purpose/potential is what ultimately matters.
@GORMLESSwonder
@GORMLESSwonder 14 жыл бұрын
This is profound, anyone with a mastery of this idea could make their lives far more fulfilling.
@amanjha3020
@amanjha3020 2 жыл бұрын
This is so life changing, god damn. Thank you.
@wecx2375
@wecx2375 2 жыл бұрын
Really easy answer, the you need memories for future planning that's why the experiencing self doesn't dominate.
@MrBlankLam
@MrBlankLam 8 жыл бұрын
at 14:56. The bottom line of what I've said here is that we really should not think of happiness as a substitute for well-being. It is a completely different notion.
@dharmatycoon
@dharmatycoon 10 ай бұрын
This is the most important ted talk of all time
@jagannathshenoy9940
@jagannathshenoy9940 5 жыл бұрын
Good one, worth listening and understand better 'experiencing happiness. !
@ArtAristocracy
@ArtAristocracy 6 жыл бұрын
' We don't think of our future, normally, as experiences, we think of our future as anticipated memories"
@Scottium
@Scottium 15 жыл бұрын
@Waranoa - He isn't saying they are completely separate. He isn't talking about mirror neurons and etc. either. He's referring to the difference in focus - what is attended to in experience is not the same as what is attended to in memory. As well, memory is highly malleable and is often changed in favour of personal narrative. His research backs this. Unless you're conducting opposing research (or can cite it), try not to say opposing things you can't support. "I think..." isn't support.
@davidwilkie9551
@davidwilkie9551 5 жыл бұрын
This talk goes with that other "Fast and Slow" book, because if you are who you think, then the rate of processing which memories, qualifies who you are, happy or other-wise.
@UnluckyGambler
@UnluckyGambler 15 жыл бұрын
he's saying the memory of an experience is different from experiencing something. and i agree because ive thought about this myself. for example, i assume u have eaten an apple before. think about an instance of u eating an apple from ur memories. u remember how it tastes, u remember how it felt, how juicy it was, its color, texture. but what u sense when u remember that experience is different from what u sense when u eat the same type of apple again.
@KhoaLe-iq6lx
@KhoaLe-iq6lx 4 жыл бұрын
When preparing for the presentation, Kahneman was asked to present in the traditional TED way: memorised speech. During the rehearsal, it was clearly shown that he was not comfortable doing it. He preferred to be able to look into his notes on his laptop. So TED let him use his laptop, under one condition that he must make as much eye contacts with the audience as possible.
@__fibo__
@__fibo__ 12 жыл бұрын
probably the most fascinating TED talk I have seen!
@matiuspakpahan7612
@matiuspakpahan7612 4 жыл бұрын
cognitive traps 1. reluctance to admit complexity 2. confusion between experience and memory 3 focusing illusion remenbering self influence desicion maker
@Lokitoh
@Lokitoh 11 жыл бұрын
asked and answered... you speak in a really deep way
@kikokieko
@kikokieko 14 жыл бұрын
I like how the discrepancy between the "two selves" was recognized by Proust almost a century ago. Science is just now catching up to art.
@lopamudraray4571
@lopamudraray4571 2 жыл бұрын
The last question is a million dollar question! Politicians focus on their own happiness.
@kalimeraHellas
@kalimeraHellas 10 жыл бұрын
The pre-issue here is that for is getting cold and for the other is getting warm. 19:30
@wilsonpaulodeoliveirajunio7796
@wilsonpaulodeoliveirajunio7796 Жыл бұрын
Obrigado seu Marcus espero que jaja abaixe a poeira. Infelizmente sabe como somos odiamos perder 👊🏿
@foroodfaraji7386
@foroodfaraji7386 3 жыл бұрын
it was the best Ted talk that I ever seen
@ChrisStapper
@ChrisStapper 12 жыл бұрын
Just happened on your comment. During the video i was reminded of Philip Zimbardo (the psychologist who got famous with the students as guardians/prisoners experiment). He wrote a book about experience of time (The Time paradox), which makes precisely this distioncion (positive/negative past, hedonistic/fatalistic present and future orientation). I think Zimbardo's book could be worth reading to those who find the time-experience subject interesting.
@Radjehuty
@Radjehuty 15 жыл бұрын
@Waranoa I think it would be better to interpret his talk as an analogy for how people think. Just because you can't find physical evidence doesn't mean that you can clearly make a distinction between how happy you are during the experience and how satisfied you are with the memories of those experiences.
@khusae
@khusae 11 жыл бұрын
So.. which one should we live for, experiencing or remembering?
@Envy_May
@Envy_May 3 жыл бұрын
try 2 balance both
@tomikuz1654
@tomikuz1654 4 жыл бұрын
Kierkegaard might be illuminating here. ‘The self is the relation relating itself to itself.’ A self-conception can only arise out of the interaction of one as a synchronic being and one as a diachronic being. The experiencing and the remembering self, need each other to be selves (the same one).
@TheGazaMethodChannel
@TheGazaMethodChannel 4 жыл бұрын
My wife says Kanehman doesn’t know pookey do about happiness and his California example proves it. Me? I think he is a genius in how he breaks things down and exposes how goofy us humans are. What a blast listening to him!
@Ebvardh
@Ebvardh 4 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate on how your wife dislikes Kanehman’s statements?
@versatileveritas
@versatileveritas 8 ай бұрын
one of the best ted talk
@richardrussell4573
@richardrussell4573 9 жыл бұрын
This is essentially what Aristotle said (amongst so much else that smart dude got right). The experiencing self's 'happiness' is aesthetic while that of the reflecting self also involves the ethical (i.e. how 'right' was it?). Socrates said that it only involved the ethical, and Kahneman implies this, too. However, Aristotle was right (again). There is still an element of the aesthetic embedded in the ethical happiness of the reflected self. One feels satisfied the colonoscopy was the right thing to do but one may also recollect spontaneously the pain of it (or rather one's aesthetic discomfort at the pain).
@wangfeiji8231
@wangfeiji8231 Жыл бұрын
对快乐的误区: 1.快乐是复杂的 2.生活满意度,和某件事情的快乐的混淆 3.聚焦错觉。某些快乐的事情被认为特别重要,以至于覆盖了记忆 两个自我,经验自我(大概三秒一段)和记忆自我(refer未来简史)。对记忆自我来说,事件的结尾很重要,时长对记忆自我不重要。低于6万美元收入,钱越少越不快乐 记忆自我的快乐:对生活是否满意 经验自我的快乐: 两者之间只有很少的关联。
@avinashasitis
@avinashasitis 9 жыл бұрын
12:55 Isn't that something Marcel Proust talked in detail in his book In search of lost time that more than the person himself / herself its the memory of him / her we're in love with? Certainly looking forward to reading Thinking fast and slow.
@MinamuTV
@MinamuTV 6 жыл бұрын
This is the reason why older adults are incorrect about school. Most people think perspective is a good thing, but it actually results in the subject being distanced from many of the _factors that contributed to that subject acting the way they acted_ in the past, and thus in a lesser understanding of the actions of the past. Those currently experiencing an event are more qualified to judge how easy or difficult it should be than those who are looking back on the event without having in their lives the factors that make that event challenging. We realize this with many things in life, but most of us still haven't put two and two together with regards to that and compulsory schooling. It is still something that is recognized mainly by people with very high IQs as immoral but is celebrated by the masses. That will change eventually, and in the future there will be a more widespread belief in youth rights in the same way that the majority of us now strongly oppose racism and misogyny.
@parsadorbeigi1188
@parsadorbeigi1188 9 жыл бұрын
Now here's a question: How does knowing the "fact" that the remembering-self overcomes the experiencing-self impact the process of analyzing past memories and storing new ones? Would it destroy lots of our good memories and create feelings of contempt, realizing that we were fooled at the end of the experience, as jlc012 put it, or would we still embrace and cherish those memories? And would we be aware of the impact of the final moments of an experience at the time and somehow resist the growing gap between the two selves? And if so, how would that impact all the visions envisioned for our policies?
@catkeogh7337
@catkeogh7337 9 жыл бұрын
+Parsa Dorbeigi You are good.And funny last line!
@InebriatedEd
@InebriatedEd 12 жыл бұрын
Very wise. Humbling. Yet is this also not quite obvious? - The reason we take photos is to remember experiences and re live them. Very good talk.
@saerain
@saerain 15 жыл бұрын
@Waranoa I agree that perhaps to speak of 'selves' is not very accurate, but I don't think Kahneman is a neuroscientist. He's using very psychological terms, and if you keep that in mind and do some background translating to neuroscience, it makes more sense. You'd probably agree with me that psychologists and psychiatrists need to pay more attention to neuroscience than they do, but still, the distinction between experiencing and remembering is important experientially, if not neurologically.
@VinhNguyen-cr6pt
@VinhNguyen-cr6pt 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and useful talk.
@smarshymellow
@smarshymellow 3 жыл бұрын
I'm literally only here because I am studying Psychology and this work has been set for me, haha
@jakeblues9255
@jakeblues9255 9 ай бұрын
RIP Daniel Kahneman
@zachariaskoutsokostas7613
@zachariaskoutsokostas7613 3 жыл бұрын
Based on a work he edited, someone can't answer reliably if he is happy. The answer is determined on feelings of the moment or availability of memories, a "barometer" of ego. Furthermore, subjective happiness based on memories and high-peak experiences are due to hedonic adaptation. Then someone may seek emotional amplification, and all this can produce great memories and a high subjective rating of their happiness when it has nothing to do with the inner stable state of well-being.
@markokujundzic2832
@markokujundzic2832 9 жыл бұрын
There's a saying in my language: The ending makes the experiance.
@krishikaraghani2496
@krishikaraghani2496 5 жыл бұрын
What language is that?
@violetchristophe
@violetchristophe 3 жыл бұрын
You guys take vacations? Wow, sounds pretty neat. The part about vacations got me, as I tend to not want to take any. I already know that I probably won't remember most of the experience, so they seem pointless to me for "making memories". Also, taking long periods of time off seems to require getting far ahead in work and playing some catch up after returning.
@MrCire69
@MrCire69 Жыл бұрын
My experiencing self seemed to enjoy this talk. My remembering self is not sure what to think.
@tbayley6
@tbayley6 11 жыл бұрын
Ah, but if your remembering self supplies sense to your experiencing self then it also supplies the nonsense! You've said you will eventually forget what's bugging your experience, so it has to be a memory and not the experience itself. You see I don't think the experiencing self 'knows' anything (beyond instinct.) Experience is habitually being filtered, modified and categorised by the remembering self - so I think what you're asking for is a dimmer switch on all that activity.
@xpd15
@xpd15 12 жыл бұрын
The depression has dumped down my comprehension so severely that I can't help my self watch this video
@VLArray
@VLArray 5 жыл бұрын
an impressively articulate performance and presentation of a false and morally dangerous dichotomy. The state of Selfhood/Being - I am - is a unitary state which is mediated by multiple mental functions.
@Shimas47
@Shimas47 15 жыл бұрын
Very interesting lecture. It is very interesting how Mr. Kahneman makes distinction between the two notions of happiness. But maybe we could eliminate the confusion that arises from mixing up these notions, by simply calling the experienced happiness "a pleasure". Wouldn't that sound right, and be easier?
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