Thorin's Thoughts - Gaming is a Waste of Time

[@VincentDebus]

revisiting years later, what a masterpiece this vid was

[@trik9464]

Haha. Thanks Joe Rogan. I was reminded of this amazing piece.

[@luizcastro5246]

true

[@seoexperimentations6933]

I just wathed this video right now what a masterpiece. Thorin is such a good way to waste my time I can honestly listen to him for the whole video. He should of talked about the after the fact bias somewhere near the middle of the video but overall it was a masterpiece

[@arnavsrivastava1158]

Agreed.

[@Joe-mg2ih]

The actual quote is "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." -Bertrand Russell

[@jararacavoadora5868]

He didn't said that. And we can do useful things as pleasure, like reading books about subjects you like and can be useful in your life or playing simulation games about real skills that you will use, like flying simulator if you're a pilot

[@Ayble]

Thorin is the god of explanation.

+Counterlights As long as AlphaDraft pays ;)

[@gaborzer]

+Counterlights the god of explaining the same argument about three times in a row. I still love his content, but sometimes I know what he is going to say, because he is basically repeating himself, just with a different example.

[@kirinkappa5662]

+Gábor Várhegyi take into consideration that people are completely retarded, therefore repeating the same thing with different words might actualy be neccesary.

[@rzy1]

+Gábor Várhegyi That's a rant for you!

[@iwnl_vale]

The "rewatchatability" of some of Thorin's videos it's actually incredible, it really sets him apart from almost everybody in esports.

[@nguyenminhhoang6127]

bruh tell me abt it. valid against the test of time.

[@olebrules]

Yeah don't spend eight hours a day on games, and wake up one day and have no skills to manage real life. Don't spend 12 hours a day working and forget to relax with some fun games. Life is all about balance man, that's my philosophy.

[@dankarino2011]

Good shit

[@MrEdgerr]

+Ole Feiring hashtag real shit

[@578t7645uyb5]

+Ole Feiring This.

[@Smox75]

+Ole Feiring u are god damn right ! :)

[@ЯСмерть-ф5п]

Yup.

[@RKsnoozer]

The way i see it is, life is short .... and so you should enjoy it while you can! If you enjoy this, then fuck everyone else! In terms of benefiting society ... we no shit!

[@jaident59]

True id rather Live to 60 and have a great life than live to 80 and have a shitty life

[@rx10]

+Adam : RKsnoozer The problem is when you don't realize you would be enjoying something else more, or many more things

[@Diavolo222]

+rx10 Nobody said that because you enjoy gaming very much that you are limited to just gaming. I have all sorts of hobbies and other stuff that interest me, even though I love gaming.

[@rx10]

+Diavolo222 Congratulations on being a balanced person, it is to be expected for you to have other hobbies and interest, the thing is how much time you spend on one

[@RKsnoozer]

rx10 That isn't something that other people should be concerned with though!

[@Bynming]

Gaming was at least a little bit useful to me. It's how I learned to speak English :)

[@Tyngdlyftning1]

+Carl M I learnt russian and polish thanks to CS.

[@Ben-bw7kf]

the polish are so nice

[@GrimmerPl]

+ᅚ ᅚ Speak to me in polish, please :D.

[@GrimmerPl]

+Carl M Yep, that is also true for me. I remember holding dictionary near NES or asking my brother "what that word means" and now... I can write that comment ;).

[@Thaiax]

+Grimmer Cyka blyat is russian. Polish? Kuruwa

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

Wasting time on games is my favorite time of the day.

[@ValkyrieOey]

I do see your argument, and while I do think gaming may not be the most productive thing, there are definately some things i've learned from it: 1. Helped fix my anger management issues. 2. Helped with my handwriting (better hand eye coordination), this has been a life-saver for me in AP exams. 3. Helped me fight depression and stress 4. Helped me become a more patient person. 5. Taught me not to gamble and how addicting it could be (after losing a lot in betting.) It ain't the most productive thing i've done, but its still productive and has helped me make other aspects of my life more productived.

[@12aw23asd]

danm thorin is so intelligent thanks alphadraft for making this possible

[@adamirfan789]

The Alphadraft plugs are on fleek.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Yuss a Thooorin's Thoughts :3. My week is made!

[@CatnamedMittens]

+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Such a good topic for a video and I love the arguments too.

[@nichicatseven1044]

+Konporer W. I did it for the cat pic.

[@vvvortic]

gaming is a waste of time? no watching dordin videos are a bigger waste of time, gg

[@Pong670]

+vvvortic bbbortic is definitely not wasting his time commenting KAPPA

[@vvvortic]

Pong670 neither are you replying

[@ViincenttB]

+vvvortic basically you didn't finish the video or you just didn't listen. That ignorance though.

[@VictorGyo]

+Vincent Brian Bernardo relax lol, he's a well known troll

[@NemesisAggression]

+Vincent Brian Bernardo Because watching a video on video games being a waste of time is a waste of time

[@goldenboyvs6486]

Reading these comments makes me believe that most people didn't watch the entire video or just weren't able to properly comprehend what was being said.

[@NakasDougen]

Other hobbies can be more productive, it's scary thinking that all the time I spent playing LoL I could have learned violin

[@guodan.]

+Jason Dougenis all the time you couldve played violin you learned LoL. u got it all wrong m8

[@D2ezbmu]

+Jason Dougenis Are you skilled in LoL? Did you have fun? Would you rather have watched television?

[@NakasDougen]

+D2ezbmu still gold 5 lol

[@Alex-nr4xb]

+Jason Dougenis Yeah, even with real life sports where there's the very real threat of injury, at least you get in shape.

[@NakasDougen]

+Zero Strife and also it's human interaction

[@pjds88]

I work 11 hour days five days a week, I don't view coming home on a weeknight and getting a few hours in on Dota 2 as a waste of time. If you do nothing else outside of gaming then it might be a waste of time, but humans aren't built to be 100% productive every hour of their lives. Sometimes you need to relax or do something you derive enjoyment out of.

[@Ratsaaja]

This was a very good video Thooorin. This is actually a topic I've been thinking about lately... What am I really doing? I used to play League like a madman a couple of years backwards and really enjoyed it, watch tv-shows and anime that were really fun to watch and were exciting, but lately for some reason I have not enjoyed doing those things because I have wondered in my head "Why am I doing this?" Like even watching this video before I watched it I had the exact feeling "Should I really watch this? Is this going to be a waste of time?" This is something I really want to get rid of. HOW do I stop this way of thinking that in a way EVERYTHING is a waste of time and therefore I shouldn't do anything because it would just waste my time. Im not enjoying anything because I keep thinking like this and is there any way to get rid of this kind of thinking or to change my mindset that everything would not be waste of my time?

[@ggbroccoli114]

the most valuable life is the life lived for others. As Albert Einstein said it: "only a life lived for others is worth living."

[@ndb5jd9w_xw]

This kinda sounds like your brain trying to cover up depression

[@ndb5jd9w_xw]

hope you're okay now a days!

[@Ratsaaja]

@@ndb5jd9w_xw Well this post aged really well :D

[@ndb5jd9w_xw]

@@Ratsaaja

[@mathewakl3662]

Why do people hate this guy, He's the most intelligent youtuber I've ever seen

[@ronniepeter7611]

Mathew Akl you need to watch more youtubers...

[@panokostouros7609]

That's why people hate him

[@baldoggie]

Well if you spend all your time saying what you think on the internet. Your bound to piss off many people!

[@12345DJay]

so, every time somebody said to me that gaming is a waste of time they put this whole time wast thing on a completely different level than other hobbies or activities in general that you are doing when you're not at work or at sleep. For example and i actually tried this, if i decide to spend my weekend playing games and having fun, it's considered a waste of time by most people, parents especially, however, if i spend the same amount of time on the weekend reading a book, or chilling in the park or strolling through the woods or whatever the fuck, it's not! and this is what annoys me the most personally, and i bet i'm not the only one, the fact that people tend to "downgrade" gaming to a whole new level of wasting time, basically the worst thing you can do in your freetime apart from drugs and hookers, when in reality, it's the same fucking thing as spending your free time with any other activity that only "produces" fun. It's a ridiculous point of view.

[@stoianovicidenis1946]

So true

[@horatiovelvetine8194]

imo, we all live short lives - I'd rather spend it doing what I like than trying to please society.

[@jamesclark976]

Selfish

[@hosea5697]

@@jamesclark976 I dont owe society shit. I will enjoy my own life you can go fuck yourself.

[@NickPilmeyer]

"Time is the only true currency' - Duncan 'Thorin' Shields Brilliant mate!

[@POOPERMCPOOPS]

I'd like to take this moment to thank thorin for making this video. Thanks for bringing perspective to this topic.

[@blackiechan1988]

The impact this video had on me in so many way is impossible to describe within this comment, but know this had a butterfly effect on me and gave me a lifespark when i needed it the most, much love keep doing what you are doing esCo

[@GoznerPeter]

Sick video, can't believe you did this whole thing unedited. Or even if it was a little bit edited, it's still amazing.

[@Verlisify]

I mean we are only pressing buttons

[@SoxFam0us]

+Verlisify very true, but as a fair valid argument i dont think it really is one because if you dumb almost anything down enough, it sounds uselss. i.e. soccer: all soccers players do is kick a ball back and forth trying to kick it into a net. So yes i agree all we are doing is pressing buttons but all the other aspects such as game sense, reaction time, multitasking makes it seem much more complicated. Just like my previous example soccer, you need to have tremendous endurance, amazing leg strength, awareness of other players. So dumbing it down doesnt really make it a fair argument

[@WTFjusthappened129]

+Verlisify True. I also am only throwing a ball, shooting a puck, and looking at words.

[@gsczo]

+Verlisify Technicaly speaking yes, soccer players just kicking and running, readers and only reading words just like us on this comment and so on, you can't judge something but the technical part

[@Verlisify]

+WhatStandards It was a joke from the worst Polygon article ever

[@ave4139]

+Verlisify and hunting is all about pressing ONE button.

[@Pejayyyy]

Gotta love the logic thinking in practise. Really rare these days. I would debate you all day. That conversation - absolutely not a waste of time.

[@chr0m389]

It's not wasting your time if you enjoy it.

[@zissou6928]

+chr0m389 Tell that to the bill collectors

[@chr0m389]

fak

[@chr0m389]

***** I don't understand why you seem so flabbergasted. The point of life is to enjoy it, people spend as much time as they feasibly can doing things they enjoy. Some people have rock climbing as a fulfilling hobby, and some people play games.

[@trenthaines3886]

+Kloud I'd rather be poor and happy than rich and sad. I value happiness over wealth. I'm not saying you should go play games 24/7, its jsut that money isn't the only factor.

[@chr0m389]

Nero Santorino I'm obviously not saying that you should quit your job to play video games 24/7.

[@zaanar6489]

I just realized how pedagogue you are. I mean, you have this fantastic way of explaining basic things ( in this video's case ) in such an interesting manner. I had the same concept as you on this topic but you teached it so well that, like, I felt obliged to watch the entire video to truly understand what I vaguely thought before lmao. Thank you for this enjoyable waste of time. ps: Also you train my english comprehension as a foreigner, 10/10 would recommend again

[@soju69jinro]

there is no such thing as "waste of time" funny how people think time should always be used for a goal... gaming isn't a waste of time. you are experiencing what life has to give, especially what other life has done, and you are experiencing it. no other form of life created that exact copy of it, 100 years from now, they will never experience it. you, uniquely, are experiencing it. there is no such thing as a waste of time, contextually. If you have a perspective, in terms of a goal, then any means of prolongingness is a waste of time. like if you want to become the best chef in the world, then simply talking with your friends is a waste of time. any distraction from your main goal is a waste of time. however, it isn't always the case that productivity equal the negation of waste of time. Is reading a book a waste of time for a chef? is it a waste of time for a racing driver to learn how to cook? is it a waste of time to do anything? every single life on this planet is experiencing something with their life, now criticizing another person's time used is a waste of time, since that does not do anything productive in every single form of thought.

[@stoianovicidenis1946]

So true

[@gimliCSGOCONTENTedits]

philosoph Thooorin wasting his time making me a smarter individual... thank you

[@batistalift]

I feel like 80% of the people commenting here didnt even watch the video

[@SorenS_]

Fucking beautiful, Thorin. You've really outdone yourself with this one. The only promise in life is time, and we are what we make of it.

[@Choilicious]

Its funny cuz anything you do is a waste of time both literally and metaphorically

[@doug9193]

"One day, we'll all be dead." I like it.

[@shokill]

Thorin you got philosophical as fuck on this video. Haha. Great work! I've never really tried to validate wasting my time on video games with the making money aspect, but it is nice to see larger prize pools and more production quality.

[@AlexHawkins98]

The good old switcharoo at the end, 10/10 and emotional rollercoaster

[@chanchaniceman]

My general opinion is life is about balance. Finding the perfect balance is key. We can't just work or in some cases for young people,study all day. Sometimes we would really explode when we get to the point of extreme stress and when you can't handle too much shit anymore. You'll need a good break and relaxation. It can come from anything. Playing video games or sports,reading books,watching movies or tv shows,watching some sports,listening music or anything that is stress reliving. After you are done,go back to work or studies with a bit of a fresh mind. On the flip side of the coin, don't over spent too much on it. It literally will become a waste of time and something you do as a way of being productive will just become a waste of time. Been there before and not something I look at it with fondness sometimes. That's just my opinion and thoughts. You will have a better opinion than what I have

[@KeenJT]

Thooorin, I actually get excited when I see you have released a new video. I drove home from work looking forward to watch this. I had a good laugh at your *don't use internet explorer* lol. Always looking forward to the next.

[@skyw9857]

if I played too much fizz that I got dropped from school, but i enjoyed playing fizz, is it still a waste of time?

[@Lamawalrus]

Pretty on point from Thorin It's in a sense a place between physical sports and watching okay telly: You have a miniscule chance of getting money, fame and a job out of it, and you get entertainment and something to improve at, while learning and improving in some general areas like language, teamwork, concentration, etc (depending on game). Less health benefits than sports and often more time spent than sports, bit like telly, so more harmful to other activities

[@MrSachar7]

I wish there would be a russian translation of this content for my parents

[@8Epitaph8]

You're a very enlightened person Duncan, much respect. Always enjoy your insight on various subjects, keep on keeping on.

[@itsJoeyM]

Good god man this video made me reconsider my entire moral basis. You actually said a lot of things that get said all the time but they way you put them really got through to me and like opened my eyes... So much knowledge dropped in 1 video.

[@johnthecat2150]

My understanding of a career is that, as opposed to a job, a career is an occupation that you would still enjoy doing for free. I enjoy learning and teaching music, and I am going to school for music education. I do it for free, but of course it will become a paid career for me. That is just how civilization around art works. If you are not producing material goods then you are wasting time. At least that's what we are taught. educators are paid very poorly where I come from (dead last in the United States), and I'm fine with that. No delusions about that. Good video Thorin. You surprise regularly me with how well versed you are with your wide array of philosophical understanding compared to most interviewers / commentators. This is an area of life I think about a lot.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

if you're not making money, babies, or getting fame, everything is a waste of time.

[@philippfischer3543]

I can 100% agree to this. I play games every evening when i come home from my job as a goldsmith. My parents think its a waste of time, but it actually helps me get my mind of things and relax, since my job is really stressful in the sense that u have to be at 100% mentally 100% of the time or otherwise u risk destroying value. Then on the other hand some people might say that goldsmith is a waste of time since u dont add any direct value to peoples lifes its more of an art then something productive. But most people that come to us go away happy with an item that reminds them of someone that died recently, something that symblizes a relationship or even just something beautiful on its own.

[@MasterWhimp]

Wow that was amazing at the end. Thoorin really comes out with some deep shit. And some deep pockets woooO! See what I did there.

[@prophetascending9021]

When you speak of time as the ultimate goal, the supreme currency, it reminded me of that film with Justin Timberlake, called "In Time". I don't know if you've seen it, Thorin, but it is a very similar premise to the idea of time as the most important thing in life. Effectively, in the film, everyone of the citizens has an implant under their skin which has their "time" or bank balance, and it runs out because time is finite, or so the plebs are lead to believe. But the rich, the elite, have unlimited time and are effectively immortal. People by and sell using time as currency, everything, from Mars bar to a house, costs units of time. But another world exists, away from the poor, who are told they only get a set period of time, that is filled with the rich and powerful, people who know the truth...that there is enough time for everyone to live forever, but they can't let the poor know this or the whole system collapses, much like the way money today only has value because the "people" believe it does, or authority only has power because we are programmed to think it does. Anyway, great video and enough you haven't seen the film it's worth a watch.

[@reyalexandro]

He makes a valid point, but he forgets most "gamers" play games as a hobby and are not trying to make it a profession.

[@masterlocke100]

+Rey Lorio Did you watch the whole video? That's exactly what he's talking about. We're all gonna die one day, so is doing something that you genuinely enjoy a waste of time?

[@AONEMANRME]

I don't even watch CS or LOL, I'm a console gamer. That said, I watch ALL of your videos because you provide fantastic insight in an entertaining manner. Keep it up Thorin!

[@00HoODBoy]

i think this is the best Video youve ever Made Duncan. i didnt realise we are so similar in our way of thinking

[@dilutedh2o221]

I feel like cs:go is significantly improving my cognitive ability. Especially aspects like awareness, reaction, critical thinking and even motor control. The fire and ash analogy is a little too far removed from reality Thorin. Lifetime skills should not be likened to ash.

[@ghchd159]

Love the content. I'm wondering if you'd have the time to put together a list of your favorite movies. (can't really pay you for it though) It would make for a pretty interesting set of films considering your rather sophisticated and rational worldview. I think many of your followers would be highly interested and appreciate it a million-fold. Just watched The Fountain, an extremely outstanding piece, with a powerful message. Have no idea how I missed this. Thanks!

[@Diavolo222]

I work and my main hobby is gaming ( even though I like a whole slew of other things, mainly sports related ). I am 25 now and gaming has given me some of my most cherished moments in life. All the fun I've had with friends and clans in internet cafes and all that. All the time I've played WoW in skype with my best friends and raiding or doing LAN nights and getting drunk while raid leading or playing other games while int he same room, or just shoot the shit in Diablo 3. All the people I've spoken with extensively and made friends with that are all from every part of the world. Beats going to the club every night and "having a life".

[@SSBMTutorials]

Thank you for this.

[@y2j3richo]

Haven't seen a thorin video in a while. I saw this suggested, you're a good man. All sports are a waste of time in the end. Even if you enjoy it it's still background noise. Football is a waste of time. Theres no point of deluding yourself. Its good to have downtime sometimes of course but advancing yourself is important too. Just dont pretend its advancing you in any way. Typing this before i finished the video was foolish. I love you man

[@vpagliarini]

Hey man, ive been trough depression in the last months, and this video helped me trying to make the first step out of it, thaks a lot!

[@SacredCourt]

You know when your future boss asks you 'what do you think you are in a group, do you see yourself as a leader? Or just as someone who obeys orders, or someone who wants to be a leader, but more like a second leader etc... I never knew what i wanted to be in a group, not in school and in no job. Through CS i realized i really shine at leading. Took me 1300 hours to realize that. I learned to be patient, how to integrate people in a group etc. Im studying economics. So who knows, maybe this is going to help me alot in future jobs/companys.

[@aresistar8285]

Meaning of life -> Well being -> Happyness. Gaming increase happyness, imply: increasing wellbeing. -> Fullfilling my meaning of life. ergo: Not a waste of time.

[@RawRShimmy]

You should write a book Thorin your thoughts are en capturing and inspiring.

[@josephl894]

There is one point that you didn't touch on that I find to be incredibly important if you're going to have this conversation. It's that video games for the most part overtly and sometimes inadvertently feed you a false sense of accomplishment, in turn releasing massive amounts of dopamine in the brain in the same way that smoking a cigarette or gambling would. Who the hell isn't going to enjoy copious amount of happy chemicals surging through your system? The point of video games is not to play them for some kind of fulfillment, but with the borderline criminal way that they draw you in to play them it can be difficult for me to not feel like I'm being swindled even after five minutes of playtime.

[@azamrahman9768]

Interesting, points. I'd like to talk about this that you say: "Gaming, like any hobby, is a waste of time and not a legitimate career for the sake of a stable source of income" However, there are professions such as being an artist, actor and poet, which are recognized as legitimate jobs but just like gaming, the financial success only applies to a select few, while the vast majority do not have much financial security or a stable income.

[@jSteez360]

I love the way Thooorin plugs Alphadraft whenever he can xD

[@Ryacques]

@Thooorin TL;DR Jerking off is a waste of time, but it makes you feel good. So who is to say its a waste of time? But for real, it's just an argument about what consists of a virtuous life. A cool way to apply Socratic thinking to today's gaming generation. I dig it.

[@user-jc3vy6tc1n]

From a biological point of view, everything outside of trying to get laid and trying to survive until getting laid is a waste of time.

[@maxinefirnkes7898]

Video games saved my life, it was the only thing that carried me through depression. I wouldn't be here right now if I hadn't found them.

[@dexetex5846]

Yeah getting millions of dollars and having fun from playing video games is a waist time, I don't think so

[@berrex5152]

How rare is that? Very low percentage

[@kerenton5897]

Everything is a waste of time except for sleeping.

[@EthanSchaner]

So gaming has around the same chances of being a pro basketball player or some traditional sport. So some people may think that normal sports are a waste too because of how much time you put in. Although you would get fairly healthy physically. To many people these "wastes of time" are fun. So I think people who like it play on. If you think that gaming is stupid then what about television or even KZbin are wastes of time because they are entertaining and the amount to some extent people watch and/or try to make it in this field as a job are over 99 percent are going to fail at making it a carrer. Now debate below what your opinions are. 😊 As you can see I make no clear points to or for either sides of the argument I am just sharing observations.

[@raresnecsoiu2498]

This is probably your best video and also the most important video you've ever made.

[@Netsuko]

Living itself is a waste of time. We might as well do the things we enjoy while we are here. Because in the end, all that will have mattered is if we enjoyed the time that was given to us.

[@robertweide5861]

Amazong video. I think something to add would be the subjectivity factor. Some people run a higher risk of getting addicted to video games since they are just wired differently and maby very competitive which can end up beeing a pitfall while others have more self regulation in that regard are can manage to only play 2-3 times a week for a limited amount of time. Subjective perception and ones intrinsic wireing (deep psychological triggers etc.) do play a major role I believe.

[@michaeljohnson7196]

WHERE IS WHO IS SCREAM?!?

[@tn9711]

The requirements of such an activity calls for a substantial consumption of time, in which,as a neccesity, is of higher importance than the gratification that recreation produces. Although emotional pleasure is an undeniable desire, greater things of importance should be made the top priority over the pursuit of enjoyement.

[@MukimTheMuk]

EVERYTHING is a waste of time. Just make sure you have a GOOD time, NOTHING else matters.

[@artsYedITs]

Thorin, doing these videos is definitely not a waste of time. I enjoy listening to you logically reasoning stuff. Whatever it is.

[@soffren]

Yeah, you right. I'm not going to stop playing though

[@namelessone3246]

If there is a joy , ease , enlightenment in what you are doing , it's timeless and therefore , it's worth doing. Only if it's not hurting others , of course .

[@farguc]

best quote I've ever heard is "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." by Confucius

[@Powerslider]

Correction: Things you do for fun are NOT by definition a waste of time. There IS infact productivity beyond what they themselves generate: If you play games and had a session of laughs, enjoyment, challenge, etc, that can give you more room in your life to do productive things BECAUSE you also had your quality leisure time. If i wouldn't do things for fun, would i be looking forward to being productive all the time? Hell no. You need a balance between the two.

[@R4vel]

OMMMMMMMMGGG "But I I could be Kobe!" THORIN PLEASE

[@xXBlacky77Xx]

That reminds me of a quote.. 'Turn what you love into your job and you will never have to work again' I think it's very true. But awesome, nice coworkers are enough as well :) at least for now... yeah... I somehow missed the point. But I agree, it's completely fine to waste your time, if you end up having a good time and don't abandon everything else. There is no other meaning in life than that. At least thats what I think.

[@yrkyork]

I honestly love the approach thorin shows in most if not all his videos. To me its an injection of reality that I need.

[@싸넬동지-7성]

As i always say : "Everything is a matter of point of view" People saying that something is a waste of time or criticizing your hobbies, have perspective problems (blocked in a certain mindset) or they try to devalue your life to make theirs meaningful.

[@Ejtan]

I absolutely loved this video. Thanks for making and uploading this, Thorin! :-)

[@n0rman908]

Thooorin is the realist. Those who agree with him including myself will give up on gaming and realize that they are never going to go pro. The dreamers that refuse to believe him will go pro. (unless they dont and they become a hobo)

[@birk7348]

I fully realize that It's a waste of time and that i will never become a pro. I do not play games to become a pro or earn money, I do it because i enjoy it. Gaming is my hobby and what I enjoy doing, therefore time well spent from my viewpoint. One might say that I should rather play baseball or soccer instead, but what would I get out of it? In the end: Nothing, which is less than I would get from playing games.

[@abzeromusic]

As Thorin gives us a basic economics lesson. Specialization and division of labor is important. Even Thorin is an entertainer at the end of the day, so this is almost a validation of his own career.

[@evilmunk1]

If you enjoy something, why is it a waste of time? Simply put enjoy your gaming but use it as a hobby to be happy. Work normally and then game alongside it when you have time. I don't play to go pro, I play because it cheers me up and winds me down, It's a form of enjoyment alongside my job.

[@ICHICSGOGAMING]

Thorin, would you consider making a video on who is Cogu? Granted he doesn't play cs anymore, (at least, i haven't seen much from him) but its nearly impossible to talk about the pro scene and NOT mention cogu as one of the best to ever play.

[@batistalift]

It is very comfortable listening to you speaking, even as a non native speaker. Keep it up ! :)

[@darrenfleming7901]

I'll just say that if gaming is a waste of time, then so is: -listening to music -watching TV -playing sports -playing card games -playing chess -watching a show -swimming -martial arts -going to the cinema Point is, we are allowed free time and hobbies even if we aren't being productive.

[@scrulesman1234]

people don't watch more than 3 minutes before commenting??

[@petergriffin9554]

Counting gaming as entertainment and comparing it to art, once could argue that Gaming is quite popular amoung kids, teenagers up to young adults and even parents themselves. Maybe it is just a freaking good type of entertainment. Look at people like R.A. Salvatore a successful writer who to this day is involved in video games to "virtualize" the stories and books he created. Video games are a medium, just like theatre, books, music and so on.

[@BeBarnee]

DAT ENDING DOE Thooorin you just made my day :DDDD

[@the_bottomfragger]

"Every hobby is a waste of time. You gain nothing from it but enjoyment." Not entirely true. From many hobbies you gain friends and new acquaintances. From gaming, you don't. Well, you make friends on the internet but that's it. The hobby I've invested a big part of my youth in is music and it has got me so many friends. So yes, you gain more from other hobbies than from gaming.

[@the_bottomfragger]

Gotta say though, love the video, I like you much more now Thorin.

[@TheKulneff]

+BottomFragger What is saying that you won't meet these friends at a LAN party or something form of gathering? What if you form a team and then get to go to a tournament together? Other than that, a friend on the internet is still a friend.

[@caiobyron3854]

Many people speak English thanks to the video games. The time I wasted playing video games was good enough to speak English better than I would at school

[@centicat]

Well then again, the only thing you gain from friends is enjoyment, someone being there for you. Everyone needs friends, just like everyone needs a hobby. Friends are essentially a hobby though.

[@eduardogallardo11386]

Thoorin a great analist and a smart polemist, the job as a waste of life can be argued, in a metaphoric and real way, and its an important fact to reflex about it, but talking about videogames it concearn with the notion of objective we want to achieve; entertaining? Skill development? Ludic experience? Study videogames history? Analizing it as a form of artistic expression?

[@Judaka]

I think it strongly depends on what kind of games you play and how you play them. Gaming can give you a lot more than a normal hobby but it can also take a lot more away than other hobbies.

[@piarew7]

Super happy you brought up The Fountain. Such a great film, but the marketing was atrocious.

[@AleXoEx0]

The quote you were looking for is: "Time you enjoy wasting is time well spent." I think was a John Lennon quote.

[@officialreek]

+SalaxAscPhx And look how he ended up!

[@youknowwhatsreallysofunny]

+AleXoEx0 What a madman.

[@erlandolsen3448]

My friend (who is 45) spent 20 years trying to become a pro bass player (he loves hard rock and metal), he failed and is now going to college. If he passes every year, he'll be a teacher at the age of 49. If youre thinking that not making money is a waste of time, then everything is a waste of time. Reading the harry potter books, playing casual chess, playing casual guitar, going out with your friends to drink, sleeping etc. Basically having fun is a waste of time in that sense. If you value fun over money, then any of the examples above would be time well spent. My 45 year old friend was silly, he shouldnt have prioritized his music career over school or work, and neither should you. Its fine that you have a competitive instinct and want to be the best, but very few will make it, and its better to be safe than sorry.