Thorin's Thoughts - Cloud9 Wins ELEAGUE Major Boston (CS:GO)

[@Thooorin]

So far nearly all of the comments I've seen are morons who didn't even manage to listen to what I said and simply want to argue utterly futile points. This is why I rarely waste my time reading the comment section. You can shout at a brick wall from now on, it would be a fitting conversation partner.

[@Addi.B.B.]

Thooorin I love you. Big fan

[@sahibsicko]

i mean theres a reason you are the analyst and they are the ones watching. keep up the great work as always big guy

[@nilsorre]

Some people just don't care

[@gru8212]

clown9 lucky plebs they will never win any tournament again

[@unmemeable667]

im clueless why would people be mad you didnt pick c9 im a huge c9 fan and even i understand why any analyst would pick faze its obvious ....

[@mouse2335]

Enough noodles were spammed to help skadoodle win major

[@mismis3153]

Joe Lol i was there XD

[@tigzydakill7113]

Lol yeah me too... SPAM. THIS. NOODLE. TO. HELP. SKADOODLE.

[@sivisionCEO]

Skanoodle

[@SARCASMlC]

The storyline is just literally the sickest timeline possible. I think that's what made this win so fucking amazing. > C9 drops n0thing and shroud, two legends in North America > Builds what many would call an NA dream team > Wins a bunch of small events, but can't seem to put the pieces together against tougher opposition, getting decimated by FaZe multiple times > Gets through First stage pretty easily > Goes down 0-2 in the second stage and then reverse sweeps to make playoffs...breaking skadoodle's group stage curse at majors > Proceeds to beat G2 and SK, the #3 and #2 favorites to win the event, but has to beat FaZe, inarguably their biggest threat in the finals > Ska goes fucking nuts in the final with probably his best performance in the past year. > Cloud9 loses map 1 (their map pick no less) to beat FaZe on what i'd say is their best map. Then the decider goes down super early to have some absurd comeback to win in double OT (in what i'd probably say is a top 3 map i've ever watched). Winning the first Major for an NA team...and they fucking do it in North America no less. If this was a story it'd be some mad cliche...except it's not...

[@christianedwards545]

LarrcasM only thing that would have brought the house down would be if stewie2k had gotten the clutch in the first OT

[@saberdon2341]

Cloud 9 didnt drop Shroud, Shroud left Cloud 9

[@FriedRalion]

@@minusPetar lmao

[@player764]

@@minusPetar No they fucking don't greedy bastards drop their IGL, someone who helped build ence project from ground up and pick up sUnny now they suck and I'm glad they do.

[@MCMasters4ever]

@@player764 yea but look at how much fun they're having!

[@Gwizzl]

Tarik is composed under pressure and that is a skill that is very underrated. Not to mention being IGL, he rallies his team. Good work all of c9.

[@Josh-nm6bj]

Tarik said in a interview in the last few rounds there he was so fucking emotional and making mistakes. Edit: still played amazing

[@Hy-tr1sd]

that ace was a peanut brain play, sometimes you need that lmao

[@lohvrti]

Tyler Guzman I don't think TARIK is underrated, because I don't think it'll be repeatable.

[@anhiirr]

peanut brain flaming aside etc.......is precisely why his "instincts" kick in in those rise to the occasion moments you wouldnt know if you cant tell. Think zaraki kenpachi shikai and bankai

[@ezpzeli8035]

you mean W A T E R M E L O N B R A I N

[@duncan1579]

Love how Thorin can call back games and situations at will. Example: Starseries S3 Faze vs Astralis Double Awp Set up This is why he is unrivaled as the Esports Historian.

[@MrSpawley]

Slightly Dark Jimmy He's a very knowledgeable esports\csgo analyst very rarely wrong or if he is it's matter of opinion.

[@dekl0l]

He is the best historian with the worst opinion and prediction percentage to go with it. Always rates really obscure players for weird reasons.

[@ghw024]

He makes his predictions based on what the history and stats say. It's not within his control if the favorite doesn't win, but he almost always has the favorite winning the series.

[@aarongray8753]

ghw024 | CS:GO clips and shit no he doesn’t almost always have that, I see him say countless things that are wrong, even at the start he said sk battered liquid, weren’t liquid really close to winning it?? So how’d they get battered, what great knowledge, lol

[@aarongray8753]

ghw024 | CS:GO clips and shit one more thing at around 2:45 he says c9 never beat sk in a best of 3 before this, incorrect they beat them last year in a best of 3 to win a tournemant :p

[@SoupRS]

intro was godly

[@RCMCVids]

wtf u doing here lol

[@Sladed]

yeah, lmao, wtf are you doing here xD

[@akacamcer]

your quest guides are shit

[@KayBroChill]

LMFAO WTF THIS GUY DOING HERE

[@mwmwmwmwmwmmwwmmwmwmwmwmw]

get out of here stefan

[@jjdn43]

Thanks for great content, Thorin! Really impressed that C9 won. Those guys play like monsters and that final gave me several heartattacks. Im a huge FaZe Clan fan but im happy that those two gave an amazing final. GGWP C9 and FaZe have another chance next time!

[@the_bottomfragger]

jjdn43 That must've been a heartbreaking loss as a fan of FaZe. If it's any consolation: In that shape, FaZe didn't really deserve the win. Strategically, they played so far from their potential in this game. FaZe does deserve to win a major but one where they are the ones to take out all the competition and actually show the world that they are the absolute best. If they'd won now, there would've still be a huge amount of doubters because of how they won. The time will come for GuardiaN and NiKo to lift that trophy.

[@jjdn43]

BottomFragger Thats true. I was really at disbelief seeing how many times Faze lost to C9's force-buys and just the sheer amount of mistakes they seemed to make (though im not an analyst). You're right. I wanna see Faze win a big event because they played like the gods i know they can be

[@timcal2136]

A faze fan with a FalleN profile picture? What?

[@jjdn43]

@@minusPetar Yes unfortunately. But its no issue. Still wish them the best. Right now, im particularly supporting the new Mouseports lineup cause im a Kariggan fan haha

[@jjdn43]

@@timcal2136 Fallen is a company that makes skate shoes. The pic is not of Fallen the CSGO igl haha

[@Gwizzl]

People saying it's cloud 9s era now lol. It's no one's era. It's the top 4-6 CS teams fighting tooth and nail for the championship. Cloud 9 have tho earned the right to call themselves Top 3 world now.

[@jackmosher2918]

Tyler Guzman yeah c9 is either top 5 or top 3... They are all so close that it comes down to whose having the best day and a bit of luck of course

[@fernandomaluenda4226]

Tyler Guzman it's Cloud9 not cloud 9. Just saying. Blessings ✌🏼!

[@danielospitia3277]

Yeah I don't think its going to be an era like SK or Fnatic. Can't blame fans for veing optimistic though

[@tomj3089]

Well said. No one is really super dominant right now. It makes tournaments super exciting, it's awesome :D

[@lawrencegabrieln.fabula2380]

@@tomj3089 this comment didnt age well lmao. Welcome to the Astralis Era Gentlemen.

[@SantSin22]

When did thooorin start paying for the heat? Miss those winterjacket days.

[@lakie92]

Simo Santaniemi mate he moved to amsterdam, his house gonna blazed all day long

[@customfreak567]

Simo Santaniemi he’s in California now I think

[@barrels5262]

It’s that ESP skrilla

[@iMarimbaFTW]

Mans gets hot now

[@gagehafl6895]

he has enough money to afford heat now

[@Huqe]

I'm so happy I watched the intro before starting to play DM

[@ThatAsianKid75]

(As a C9 fan) They're not number 1 now. Definitely established them as tier 1 without a doubt.

[@ryant4849]

trevor tu they deserve the 3 spot

[@marquesinif]

They beat Astralis, g2, SK, and faze. You have to consider them as one of the best

[@fpsoftdev]

They were a tier 1 team before lol unless you have a crazy way of defining tiers. Edit: Personally, I'd put them at #3 in the world. Behind FaZe and SK, I think you have to whether or not you think they can keep this up or not. For now, i think they're squarely at 3

[@VStrizzy]

They are number one until someone beats them. Otherwise you are saying that beating top teams on LAN doesn’t mean anything. Yes SK had a stand in, but once they play C9 with Boltz, they can have their #1 spot back

[@marcus16999]

no thats not the way it works lmao, c9 have to beat sk with boltz

[@EluneMusic]

Yes, finally! I was waiting for this video that entire final was crazy af

[@uneatentaco]

Couldn't wait for this episode

[@glencoco44u]

Take a shot every time Thorin says "funnily enough"

[@PureShinigami]

It was fun seeing ska doing things he would never do with the old roosters. He is aggressive, re-peeks, holds off-angles, takes risks. He has had a huge revelation in his mentality finally being able to trust his team to clean up after him and secure the rounds when he cant. This trust was a sub-conscious reason why he is somewhat inconsistent at time imo. I would enjoy to watch him develop more and more into a kennyS type of awp'er where he can change the flow of the game by himself. And with his consistent shots he is scary as fuck. Glad a underdog won, but at the same time i feel for FaZe.

[@kaigreen5641]

Intex and next tourney he will go back to being the old ska.

[@PureShinigami]

Are you from the future?

[@DREAMWORKERSKY]

Now I think back to your video about how favourites rarely win the major....history repeats itself. This was a miracle run from Cloud 9 and will go down in history, but we have to wait and see what else can they accomplish in the future to truly weigh how great a lineup they really are.

[@iamneophyte]

DREAMWORKERSKY they won a major going through 3 of the top 5 teams as a dark horse. No matter if they will ever get to this level again, they earned themselves a legend status.

[@lawrencegabrieln.fabula2380]

@TryZoid C9 almost beat Astralis recently tbh. 16-14 if I remember it correctly.

[@LikeBOOMCA]

karrigan crumbled under the high pressure, these late b calls were fazes downfall

[@DREAMWORKERSKY]

their fakes were so bad...sending olof alone walking into B and died hoping to pull a rotation? now they're just playing with one man down and it's quite sad to watch

[@JackNguyen-]

@@DREAMWORKERSKY But it did work, Autimatic was rotating A. The only reason FaZe lost was because stewie2k hit some insane shots

[@JackNguyen-]

If anyone crumbled it was rain. He dropped the least amount of frags and got picked off so easily.

[@ATS1031]

@@JackNguyen- niko also didnt play good considering his level and i think olof struggled a bit

[@edgardelugo1733]

Alternatively titled 'Cloud 9 Open NA's Gateway to the Promiseland'

[@left9096]

Yeah how did that go?

[@All4Grogg]

45 minutes later and the fact remains, C9 outplayed Faze as a team on the final two maps to win the major. Towards the end, Faze was the team that was too reliant on with individual plays and clutches. C9 has shown themselves to be improving rapidly as a team, playing aggressively still, but not overextending. Faze was winning clutches they shouldn't have, getting silly kills through walls, smoke and they have a more skilled roster. C9 won because they were able to adapt, execute and have some damn good aimers of their own.

[@TobathaGaming]

versa Somebody is pissed NA just proved everybody wrong 😂

[@K4inan]

versa excuses doesn't work. C9 won, and that's that. If Niko can't show up in a major final, then how good is he really?

[@andrueis]

versa when has niko not choked in finals besides early 2017 lul

[@bastigarratt]

versa agreed, to me it seems like 99% of NA players wanna be star players.. which you cant really build solid teams with

[@SUNSPYtm]

Spot on, they were much much better of the Inferno T sides

[@Lekeing]

Great video Thooorin. You're analysis was very insightful throughout the whole tournament.

[@Lekeing]

So true!

[@1cubsfan100]

What impressed me most is how young the C9 roster is. They are probably the youngest roster to win a major. Or at least pretty close

[@williamspencer1978]

Poon Master original Fnatic 2013 was a bit younger iirc

[@GGworm123]

i could listen to Thorin for 1 hours straight and not get bored, What a journalist.

[@CatnamedMittens]

I can't believe NA won a major. I was so happy.

[@devkum5506]

MOH-Hansy which is considered an NA team. What a fucking degenerate. Just like EU has 8 csgo majors. (19 majors overall)

[@happyboy1642]

you’re a special snowflake

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

enjoy it while you can because NA will never win a major again lmao

[@Thomas-pt5si]

Jason Cedarson never? I think a roster with an na player(s) might win a major

[@Reimastered]

Jason Cedarson Incorrect.

[@spacet1me]

I do love this video though, helped me see the more deeper side of CS in regards to the minute details of each team and player. Love it. Subscribed.

[@vettywap6415]

@Thooorin I am a C9 fan... Now that that is out of the way, I have to agree with almost everything you said. The only part of this whole video i disagree with is that for a day C9 was, in fact, the best team in the world. Do I believe that C9 is better than Faze Clan? Nah.... Not by a long shot. Do I believe the stars aligned for C9? Not that either. I honestly see the results for what they are...for a day they played the best CS. They fashioned their own incredible plays and won as well as taking what the other team gave them and won. Period. It's a dreamy thing to want to see more of this high caliber playing from C9. Thank you, Thooorin, for sharing your thoughts.

[@Bedhead13]

Vetty Wap I believe he means here, at this tournament they were the best team in the world, which I absolutely agree with, there was no team better then C9 at this major

[@Senzu348]

Ehh.. from 42:23 he said they might or not might win tournaments but probably wont

[@TheBanana202]

its a 5 month old lineup i think it is not unlikely that they will keep on improving. The main concern is if skadoodle will keep up his level of play at the major, which is questionable but possible since he has shown that he can play well for several series vs t1 opponents.

[@pwner332]

Vetty Wap for a day C9 WAS the best team in csgo. They won. Don't take that away from them. Can they keep this up? Who knows, but they were in fact the best team for a day.

[@Arizzo97]

i have never played CS GO, i have never watched CS GO professionally, and the only person i knew was Niko. I saw this was the number 1 viewed stream on Twitch and i was rooting for Faze because i hate C9 (im a big League and LCS fan). After yesterday, i think i might want to start following CS GO professionally

[@danboing3864]

The beauty of an esport like csgo is that you can easily identify when a skillful play happens. In something like League, you have to know the game at least basically, but with cs you can tell when someone hits a nice shot.

[@Arizzo97]

yeah, because everyones played an fps before, it's easy to know the basics. I knew what was going on (i think), i didnt understand any of the strats outside of throwing smoke but i knew the basic goal, something i wouldnt be able to do with league if i had never played it prior to discovering LCS

[@josuehmc]

TSM fan?

[@coolkatmehrfth]

How do you follow CSGO professionally? How do you become a professional at following CSGO?

[@Arizzo97]

im going to try to start watching professional CS GO, that better?

[@trtnec]

35:20, skipped over stewie's near ace to win the major, stopped by karrigan. Huge, killer moment, then tack on the Guardian 1v2, for two rounds that would normally absolutely crush a team mentally.

[@christianedwards545]

Thats the thing that really impressed me NA teams typically mentally crumble when that stuff happens (see coldzera jumping awp on mirage) and the fact they stayed in it really makes me think they've figured something out they might not win any more tournaments this year but i think atleast consistant top placing

[@henshaw33]

One of the biggest contributing factors to this might be how esports and video gaming in general is looked down upon, especially if you spend hours and hours on a game improving and being good. The esports culture was abysmal in NA (not really sure how it is in europe) but now that people are actually starting to accept it after all these years you have orgs really dedicated to helping out the team practice and mentally focus as well.

[@ehuehuehue3782]

Hearing you call Stewie and Tarik "money" just warms my heart, idk why

[@shrektacular5007]

So fucking happy for Cloud9 especially Ska

[@VStrizzy]

Been waiting for this video since yesterday

[@theliftoffproduction]

I see C9 going on to be 3rd best team in the world, maybe 2nd. I don't see how anyone can really challenge SK as they are so consistent, but C9 can probably beat them once or twice in BO3s. It will be interesting to see C9 vs Faze in the future, and if it was a mental block that C9 overcame so they can start winning consistently (unlikely). I do think they will beat G2 and Astralis more times than not, and as they tend to not get upset too frequently, C9 should more than likely continue their form of getting top 4's and getting to finals, hopefully including the next major.

[@sjfamily1581]

They played really well can't take that away from them Stew went from a pub God to a major champion that's a pretty amazing story

[@S1mmyy]

Tarik was the exact same.

[@DarkTyphon101]

Usually disagree with Thorin's thoughts, but this time I like it. I like the analysis and the points he's making are making sense. Liked :)

[@Alhamdulillahirabil3alameen]

DarkTyphon101 of course you liked it, because you only like what you agree with. You are pathetic.

[@danboing3864]

Thugnasty Jesus tf? Why the fuck would someone like something they disagree with?

[@Alhamdulillahirabil3alameen]

Dan Boing its possible to disagree and see the other person's perspective and understand their reasoning without disliking it.

[@danboing3864]

Thugnasty Jesus OK. This is true, but at the same time he is not required to have a neutral standpoint on it either just because he does not agree. Where are the grounds for the logical leap of him liking a piece of content now, ergo he is pathetic?

[@1Bolzard1]

I love how thorin is wearing all the different Liquid outfits in the beginning. I think Richard won the bet.

[@-----------------------------b]

Great breakdown :) appreciate it

[@AgiDaKinG]

Gotta give it to C9, they played a hell of a series. Probably the best bo3 series I've seen in awhile. The nail bite factor was 10/10

[@josef167]

Best major final of all time.

[@cypher9804]

I have never seen a team (especially from NA) have an adaptive style against the top 3 teams in the world where they were able to isolate the star players and minimize their play. Props to Tarik, valence, and the c9 players for executing the clear preparation done for their opponents

[@colebanville3372]

NA dream finally completed

[@thebhoy2000]

My third favourite series ever with number 1. Being Luminosity Vs G2 ECS (I think) and number 2 being Gambit Vs Astralis PGL Krakow

[@Monkimode]

That intro was s1mply amazing.

[@mzjango]

Awesome rundown and summary Mr. Shields

[@skillezkillez]

Funny seeing all the fans that were triggered over Thorin calling this a fluke now after some years. How right he was.

[@jaxondelguidice1163]

Great vid thorin, keep up the great videos!

[@irishRocker1]

@Thorin I wouldn't say you are wrong on one point but not completely accurate. You said stewie and tarik seem to have the same philosophy on crazy individual plays. That's not entirely accurate, at least not in the final. There was a highlight clip where stewie says "we don't need to make individual plays, we can win as a team" and I think that was important. They really played as a team and I think that made the difference. When they made individual plays it was with a teammate pop flashing etc. Trading well etc.

[@HecticCookies]

martyfriedman666 yeah but the series was won with a lot of crazy plays from stew and tarik

[@irishRocker1]

Liam Hosey yes I know, that ace from tarik for example was pretty crazy! But at the same time they knew not to get reckless and work together. Could have easily made a bad play at the wrong time and not had teammates to back them up. For example against sk the round that sealed it when fallen fell back to ruins with the awp and stewie pushed the smoke and killed him. He wasn't alone. Automatik was right there with him for the trade if things went wrong. that was a crazy play but with teamwork. They made some crazy plays but there was also a lot of occasions where they played very passive on the sites to not give anything away etc. I'm not saying I disagree I'm just saying there was crazy plays but also smart, safe teamwork when it was needed too. Really good utility not wasting nades early etc.

[@syNix1337]

That might be what they say, but when you watch the games is when the true 'philosophy' shows itself. Clearly Thorin is right in this regard. Moreover, that sentence is quite ambiguous.

[@irishRocker1]

First off i didn't say he wasn't right. I said it's not completely accurate, and it's not. A "philosophy" is a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle. A guide. Doesn't mean they can't break away from that "guide" from time to time when it makes sense to do so. At times it is necessary rather than a choice. However the fact they said that shows that the overarching "philosophy", it was their intention, to play off team work and not give away easy pics or make mistakes and get caught out. Doesn't mean they cant make those plays now and then but you could clearly see that were playing safe and passive a lot too (Sgares and Dazed both did videos on it and both talked about how defensive their setup was) and not giving anything away when they didn't need to. Obviously if you lose a man you usually need to make a move to even it up in CSGO or you are at a disadvantage but that doesn't invalidate the philosophy to play and win as a team when possible.

[@syNix1337]

Right, but what I'm saying is that "we don't need to make individual plays, we can win as a team" is ambiguous. Is he referring to their style of play (philosophy)? Is he just chanting something to lift the spirit? We don't know that. Cloud9 relies notoriously on individual plays, and I even think this final solidified that. Sure, they played extremely well together, but they also had massive individual plays. I heavily disagree that their 'overarching philosophy' as you put it is teamwork, when you compare them to other top teams. Furthermore, if that highlight clip was from the major itself, then that really only proves what I'm saying. If he had to announce something like that at the major, and not beforehand, then how can you seriously claim that that's the overarching philosophy?

[@badroenis]

Congrats on 250K!

[@hobotim8656]

Does this mean we have to stop calling c9 the poor man's g2 or does that still qualify?

[@sandrobatinovic3761]

Coodles Parks Did we call Gambit a tier 1 team when they won major?

[@hobotim8656]

Sandro Batinović of course not but Gambit didn't have to beat g2, sk, astralis and faze to win their title either. I just want to know when we can elevate c9 above their current status of good but not quite great.

[@sandrobatinovic3761]

Coodles Parks Since you're amking sure to downgrade Gambit's win, let's now say they beat an average G2, stand-in SK that played 2 BO3's in the same day, and barely beat a choking Faze. We don't have to elevate them anywhere as this won't happen this year again, ty.

[@eddielookingbeautifulbravo8]

Sandro Batinović Gambit had a much easier road than C9. G2 was unstoppable in playoffs. SK won many titles with felps (no excuse) and looked dominant aswell. C9 defeated all top 4 teams and outplayed FaZe in the finals. Btw C9 was already a tier 1 team before this major title. No need to be butthurt.

[@sandrobatinovic3761]

Kapow Anele God damn must feel great to be delusional

[@jumpbug2765]

Talks about c9 wears team liquid merchandise only thorin

[@frankjennings1428]

Respect the thumbnail game.

[@owenbisal8007]

Frank Jennings lmao

[@joewozniak711]

Wow man you make great videos with your opinions. Honestly this video is very informative. Nice job man

[@ninadsachania3652]

Seems like Thoorin has been learning video editing. Great, better quality intros.

[@KJ_XCV]

I thought that c9 looked really good in this tournament because they had extremely good teamplay. It seemed to me they weren't relying on sick individual play to win rounds (apart from the semis and finals). They were clinical and decisive in their play and yes they got out aimed sometimes but it was excellent the way they traded into sites and were disciplined on ct side. It is for this reason I think and hope that they can have good showings in other tournaments as well and be a legit top 5 or top 6 team and in the convo to win.

[@HigsTV]

Would you say that Skadoodle was a dark horse player who showed up big under pressure?

[@gimmedaloot8168]

Higs's Room they all showed up

[@HigsTV]

I agree, they all stepped up, I just meant in the context of Skadoodle's history in tournaments.

[@ar1ma716]

The thumbnail is the reaction of everyone who thought that Stewie2k wasn't cut out for c9 and then witnessed their win in the major

[@valturefelt7401]

That intro is amazing

[@iPhonix07]

Faze cracked under pressure, watching it, it seemed like they couldn’t figure out what to do in order to win rounds, they couldn’t find a solution to c9 playing passive on A which is what they did in their ct side, so you should have something there, and couldn’t find a solution to a sick B defense from stewie and autimatic. Tarik played out of his mind and made the right calls, seemed like Faze was not expecting them to play so scrimmy and aggressive. C9 deserved it, period.

[@TheGamerNinjazX]

I was physically at major. I'd say biggest thing in favor of c9 and what helped them win was crowd. They got shockingly loud. And they always amped up the c9 players. Famously NBK couldn't communicate because the crowd was to loud in g2 game. And in the final they got to Niko. Chanting "Niko's choking" where he was on overpass for first half. Inferno may have sealed it as one of best major finals. But the audience had a big part in it imo. Which pissed me off because I chose FaZe to win

[@Jackms196]

It was Niko's Tilted btw

[@atropiperio]

No one cares what you have chosen

[@danielcelnar6321]

Burim american spottted

[@CatnamedMittens]

Hugh Bennett Inferno has consistently been one of the best decider maps on CSGO history.

[@shaneshawn1745]

So every major should be held in Europe to give chokers a chance? ok.

[@xeno1307]

This is why I fucking love Thorin, he's so honest and passionate

[@kaigreen5641]

Thorin, what do you think about Lurrpis saying faze need to make a change after losing the final? Seems a bit of an over reaction to me.

[@rwhooshbait6982]

Kai Green not a hope did u see karrigans shot calling that game

[@SUNSPYtm]

He didn't adapt. C9 were taking map control really fast on T side Inferno, and FaZe were actually the oppositem very passive on banana in particular, taking ages to get top banana, using more utility

[@cryptic2610]

Creep Gaming I agree karrigan wasn’t on point that game(especially inferno) losing lots of picks and losing lots of map control really fast and falling back to sites with no idea what was going on. Though I don’t see why they should change anything about their lineup. Who would replace karrigan? And even if they did replace him there’d be a phase of adapting where they most likely wouldn’t be as good.

[@fennex4329]

Kai Green imo this is where Karrigan learns from his mistakes of this series and improves his calling, not where's he's instantly kicked.

[@iPhonix07]

Karrigan didn’t play great, true, and couldn’t make the right calls expecially on Inferno, he looked like he didn’t know what was going on. Still I don’t think they need to replace him: 1. Faze looked dominant in the last months and that come from the igl aswell. 2. Who would even replace him?

[@nikitamarynich1794]

Great and insightful video

[@Addi.B.B.]

"This Stewie pick is actually high risk low reward"- Thorin after C9 picked up Stewie2k

[@fredmctictac2272]

that was a true statement. obvs they hit the reward part with him, but you're pretty ignorant if you think it wasn't a risk.

[@Addi.B.B.]

fred mctictac It was a huge risk. But "low" reward

[@owenbisal8007]

The Eastbrook well at the time it seemed like that

[@Imkohlton]

It’s almost like initial perceptions aren’t reality. Who would have fucking though.

[@crabgra]

It was a low reward. That squad did nothing even as the risk paid off. But they replaced shroud and nothing and stews reward then multiplied

[@illumitabris]

Great video. Very good points and hearing tariks interview after the win, the team also knows that they had a really good run and that they still have room to improve. By the way, I predicted both Gambit and cloud9, do you think I'm a fanboy or someone who can analyze the team form?

[@thehound7162]

first time watching a csgo major... mainly cuz it was the first time NA made one i heard.... was fucking sweet to watch... i might actually start watching your csgo content

[@TwenOalley]

Check out by the numbers on richard lewis' channel. Him and thoorin run it, and it's an amazing podcast.

[@810wasaninsidejob9]

Nah, NA has made plenty of majors. This is only the 2nd time an NA team has ever made it to major finals in CSGO though, the only other being Team Liquid. There's an asterisk on Liquid though because they had s1mple who's one of the best in the world.

[@zeroburrito]

having a foreign player on an na team does not mean they are not an na team....

[@2kbambusleitung606]

The Hound actually there was Atlanta before

[@felipesilveira6301]

dont watch thorin's videos,he constantly contradicts himself and is probably the biggest hypocrite of all analysts in the game.thank god he doesnt get invited to tournments anymore.

[@rumham4766]

Faze relied way too much on gaurdian and Olof to get them out off shit niko choked they will either crumble now or be motivated to crush everyone

[@saulosilva1236]

Not first time Niko choked... Something to fix

[@CoopXLV]

That intro was gold

[@tehsma]

I don't have much history watching these teams / this game but to me as an outsider, I felt like the c9 double AWP setup was key to them winning. When they changed that up they started to lose momentum, when they brought it back, they did great.

[@diegopayan3146]

Best intro ever.

[@Prodigyz8]

good stuff thorin. you're the goat.

[@pplification]

Legendary intro, don't even need to watch the rest of the video tbh

[@MelodiesKit]

Exactly thanks for reiterating what I said on yesterday's video you da man.

[@andylum5623]

They have to be at least 3rd in the world, no?

[@HecticCookies]

Andy Lum a good but of the teams were handicapped but 100% 4th

[@AstroSully]

Top 3 : 1. SK Gaming ( With Boltz) 2. Faze Clan 3. Cloud 9

[@tibche3891]

Andy Lum HLTV rankings updated today, they are 4th ( they were 14 last week i believe) behind SK, FaZe and not sure whether 3rd is G2 or Mouz

[@tibche3891]

Andy Lum Actually third !! www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2018/january/29

[@lohvrti]

Andy Lum I don't think micro managing ranks even matters to be honest. They're elite level, and that's what really counts

[@josiahjohnson375]

Good job Thorin. Straight fire.

[@ryantorigian6597]

My guy needs to iron his clothes

[@frankiedonegan6150]

Ryan Torigian nah mate he’s just 15:05.

[@b.piening2887]

Anyone who thinks that this C9 roaster ist not the best of all time, doesn't understand how hard it is to stay consistent in a tournament. Yes, they struggled in the playoffs, but they won against the 3 strongest teams of the tournament, with an insane performance. They stayed calm, even after they lost 14:16 on their own map pick against faze. Yes Niko underperformed, but C9 adapted to that and build their Victory on the mistakes he made, which is what distinguishes between proplayers and majorchampions.

[@impulsive1252]

GuardiaN, the greatest player in csgo history to yet win a major.

[@lilcutthroat3549]

Impulsive AWPer*

[@debob3139]

yeah hes probably number 1 now since Device and Zeus won in 2017. The only other players that are on Guardian's level that also haven't won a major in my opinion are S1mple, ScreaM, thats probably it though.

[@impulsive1252]

MarbelFan Who would you have over him then?

[@djLagwayEnjoyer]

MarbelFan he isn’t even the greatest awper, Kenny before the awp nerf was worlds ahead of any other awper

[@djLagwayEnjoyer]

Impulsive get_right in his prime. Forest in his prime. Olofmeister in his prime. Coldzera right now. This is a common fallacy that occurs in not just e sports, but all sports in general. He is seen as such a great player because of longevity, he has been a very good player for so long, but he has never been considered the best in the world. Name on point in time he was thought of as the best player in the world. Even when he was close to being considered that, he lost the major to sk(luminosity at the time) and coldzera dominated and showed why he was the best player in the world. He was never better than Device when he was the best, never better than get_right when he was the best, never better than Olof when he was the best, he wasn’t even better Dennis at the time. Such an overrated player. Dont get me wrong, he’s still great and the fact that he has been able to compete at the highest level is amazing and speaks to his career but he’s just that, always been a great player but never been elite

[@MrSpawley]

Intro legendary again with the Liquid merch

[@124Callum124]

Niko tbf has choked in the last 3 finals hes been in

[@letstalkaboutit1415]

This is my first thorin video somehow, and that intro cracked me up

[@sirandrew]

just wondering... why is he wearing a headset when no one else is talking to him and he doesn't need to listen to anything... xP

[@pastrie42]

Loved the video man! I know comments can be annoying but I really enjoy the content you create. I hope you have a great day.

[@danflak6363]

That intro LOL.

[@MelodiesKit]

On overpass I actually seen a lot of good things from them in terms of tactics. I think the biggest thing I've seen is that they actually used strats that a lot of the best teams in the world use on it like astralis and some of the flashes that G2 like to use on it. I think it will die down a bit and sit at about their 3rd or 4th best map depending on if they can also keep up their form on inferno.

[@oskargronholm7198]

Why are faze so bad in tight finals? Doo thay have comunication problems in inportant ronds

[@Flamecookie100]

Oskar grönholm do you have communication problems?

[@jeffulilweeb]

Oskar grönholm it's possible, when i play online with u.s teammates i get really confused in tigh situations and I've been talking english for years now, they probably have similar issues

[@Lucaz99]

They might have due to being an international team.

[@kalevi5814]

Russians are the best at communication because they just shout *CYKA B!!!!!!!*

[@danboing3864]

Niko just didn't show up.

[@ccknblls]

Drinking game: Take a shot every time you hear thorin say "funnily enough"

[@lautarolopez2370]

“oskar is a monster on t side train” ya we got to see that when they played QBF and he got one kill didnt we? :>

[@jamessmith-qv9dd]

Loquent 1 if you play or watch CS go you should understand people have bad games for all kind of reasons even pro's

[@lautarolopez2370]

Mastcks its just banter mate

[@tristangreathead5004]

Was probably the best series I’ve ever seen. What. A. Game.

[@ex_interp]

Thorin, I'm a huge fan, but sometimes you do sound like you flipflop when a team/player wins a big tournament. This isn't just for CS. I've been a fan since mousesports vs fnatic in 2010 at IEM Continental Finals. You tend to come across as unable to see the merit of players and teams that aren't at the tip of the iceberg yet. I know you actually do consider things from many angles before posting your videos/tweets, but sometimes it does sound like just another fan that only accepts teams that have already proven themselves. Keyword is already because many of the times, you won't even admit to the potential of the up-and-rising teams/players from various e-sports until after they win a big tournament. You know better than most about how tournament results don't tell the whole story.

[@Thooorin]

Says a lot you didn't cite a single example.

[@dribblesg2]

I love Thorin and agree that this is indeed his one fault. Sometimes in the past I've doubted he even watched the game/tournament he was commenting on. So many times he will dismiss a team for losing (sometimes for even losing a final; and especially if its a team he had already disregarded), when the match was 16-13 with like 10 clutches that could have easily gone either way.. he will then cite this as 'evidence' the losing team is indeed 'crap' And far too often he dismisses players in the same way or off pure stats. I kept thinking of Thorin this major every time Lekro went ham.

[@danboing3864]

Tip of the iceberg does not mean what you think it means.

[@BLaacKj4cKK]

damn the guy has only one fault? I'd be happy with 1 fault lmao

[@kevinsmithDKS]

I mean in the video you said stewie still had that run through smoke type of play when he was fresh in C9, but he has developed miles more than just that. So, not giving enough credit to stewie as the player he has become is a prime example of you not giving merit that’s deserved.

[@coachcro7722]

The key adaptation was not giving Stewie the awp, he had it before, the key adaptation was them putting him on the site during executes. Before they played passive and let B go with a 4v5 best case scenario.

[@MatteNcs]

did u find that shirt in a dumpster? tf is up with that collar and those wrinkles

[@TheFiendRacer]

Lambcakez lmao, seriously

[@Kodunkion]

Big fan thoooorin :D I think you are right at wheb you said this was the best single map run ever, because Cloud 9 also won the major in home soil,which kinda has a good "storyline" as they were the dark horses as said by Moses that major.

[@crowbar3]

Wow that intro!!!

[@Idksomerandomhandle]

This series and the g2 vs luminousity series were my favourite series since I started watching csgo

[@Rodolfo872]

Forgot to mention the 2 best of 3 on the same day to the SK side as a factor.

[@tylersmith7317]

kind of irrelevant because most pro teams scrim 8 hours a day...

[@K4inan]

Rodolfo872 yeah, sk was warmed up while c9 had to go in cold

[@Rodolfo872]

Scrim is one thing , major another. Playin for 8 hours in your house is very diferent... And is not like c9 didn't have time to play some DM to warm up and prepare some tactics to beat SK. Yes they played better , but the fatigue was evident in some moments.

[@bastigarratt]

Rodolfo872 exactly. Just because C9 wasn‘t on stage doesnt mean the couldn’t play and warm up

[@Thooorin]

I knew cry was free so you'd be able to afford to remind us

[@maxmelser35]

Great recap of the major

[@BiigiieCheeese]

Even though they won the major I don't think Cloud 9 will win more than 2 more events this year. With SK and TL having to play with stand-ins, FaZe still being a dominant team, and Na'Vi getting their act together; the only events I see C9 winning are the ones were SK and/or FaZe being knocked out by another team and even then C9 has to have Skadoodle be positive for most of the tournament or else they'll lose to teams with consistent AWPers.

[@BiigiieCheeese]

Compared to before without Electronic they were utter dog shit. I don't think Na'Vi will win any tournaments but it isn't outrageous to say that Na'Vi could not upset C9 if Flamie and S1mple are on a hot streak.

[@SSBrigadier7]

silentinoCS Liquid with Steel still won't beat Cloud9 in a bo3. Cloud9 has finally found their form and have some of the best teamwork out of a lot of teams. Just check how they worked so well together especially T side. C9 can beat SK even with boltz.

[@BiigiieCheeese]

C9 might have found their form but a lot of the pressure is on Ska and he isn't a consistently good AWPer.

[@AntonioGomez-du3zi]

I agree that I don't see C9 winning to many titles unless faze and sk aren't in attendance. This major everything went right for them, skadoodle over performing was one of the big factors which I don't expect to continue to happen.

[@AntonioGomez-du3zi]

Jorge Jones sk won 8 or 9 (can't remember) and faze won 4

[@FTWKGaming]

Really liked your commentary about NiKo, sounded accurate to me. I hope he somehow becomes an even better player after this

[@Onlyoneminecrafter]

Just great team play from c9 and great revelation from ska

[@4524brown]

The crowd chanting "Niko's tiltied" probably didn't help with him choking haha

[@ej1635]

C9 win was great and all, but be realistic thats the only tier 1 tournament they will win in 2018, i can asure you. Not taking anything away from them cuz they played fucking amazing, but i dont see f.ex. skadoodle playing like this consistently.

[@LoaThunder]

EJ 1 Maybe they wont play consistently but they can play up and down and win some tournaments on their ups and bomb the groups ln their downs.

[@aquilaFUN]

EJ 1 would agree. Literally everything worked for C9 in that major, teams will be prepared for their hyper aggressive T play and if c9 does not get the economy control over the game early like they did all the time here, they will lose way more. Plus add in Ska is just way too inconsistent. But like after the last major, plebs will tell you this is the Begin of a new era..

[@ryant4849]

Ska gets a lot of shit for not being consistent enough but let's not forget he's been the best NA awp for literally years and there has never even been a close second

[@fpsoftdev]

What a baseless claim. No one knows what will happen in 2018.

[@aquilaFUN]

Ryan T tells you more about na cs than about ska imo :D

[@HeadShotKilla10]

iam shocked that no1 is talking about this but Stanislaw actually just helped cloud9 win the major, because tarik took most of stanislaws straits from the old Optic and just used it with better players. You saw full excutes with quick attacks on T side and very hunkered down and very patient CT sides. Faze keep trying to run there double fakes on T side and C9 just stayed put waited untill the end and then exploded out of there positions. Iam so proud of tarik and Rush, they took the optic style over to C9 and just perfected it