Thorin's Thoughts - Nuke Replacing Inferno (CS:GO)

[@wayup8122]

Thorin will you be releasing your intro song on iTunes?

[@OllieP999]

lol

[@meradlav]

RIP your ovaries by Duncan "Thorin" Sheilds

[@SUArmy12]

Complete with HJ hand gestures.

[@mennovanderpoel3101]

+wayup nice avatar

[@marcpascal4586]

don't worry throin, ima buy ya mix tape soon.

[@liamhardman875]

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[@overtone55]

Thanks

[@abelesperanz4196]

+1

[@Basu117]

+JeSuis TNP thank you

[@NotSean269]

+JeSuis TNP THANK YOU ! !

[@fathermartin9326]

Who else would love for Thoorin to make an episode about all the flaws of cs:go, from maps to game mechanics and weapon balances, and give his thoughts on them and improvements for them?

[@moncoeur6296]

+1

[@Rebel_TF2]

Please do this thooorin.

[@kezicss]

+Father Martin he already did it

[@anananwar]

+Father Martin have you got 6 hours to spare?

[@fathermartin9326]

Yep :)

[@official_kden]

alphadraft intro incredibly on point you almost got me to check it out this time!

[@TheChosen1inc]

These intros keep getting better with every video

[@thewaterbottle7220]

+TheChosen1inc dude i watch your vids which reminds me can you shit yourself

[@MrUandB]

So after calling FaZe a boyband, is this your lowkey tryout?

[@TheMuwatalli]

+Chris Feeney they are a fucking kid rock band with 0 future...

[@Thooorin]

+Chris Feeney FaZe can't afford me.

[@Alex-wg4gy]

+Chris Feeney Rekt

[@CKCleary]

+Thooorin They probably could..

[@iamwhatremainshere]

+Cleary EU 100x times

[@sH0xXx89]

You almost...almost made me check out alpha draft this Time

[@lolzcbfkd]

you know it's gonna be good when Thorin's already raging in the thumbnail

[@saltking2715]

guess that explains why 90% of custom games are on dust2, because its a map for monkeys. I would be so happy if it dropped out of the map pool

[@Gost531]

+Torsten Petrick Yeah casual and dm are in 75% of cases on dust2, and I used to call it "Noob map", however it is one of the most important map in cs history

[@Kesebrodt]

+Torsten Petrick no. not really. you dont want the d2 scrubs to destroy the actual good maps for you do you?

[@KirkulesGames]

+VierMalFünf least they would actually learn other maps

[@Kesebrodt]

Kirkules Games yea and mirage gets next cancer map. i like having scrubs and hackers on d2

[@bATTAFURAI]

I have never in My life seen an overwatch That's not on d2 not even fucking kidding

[@abcdefzhij]

I'm just thinking, what goes through people's minds if this is the first thorin video they watch and they just see him singing about alphadraft for a minute? lol

[@mistermister2721]

+Andrew Ricklefs A little akward xD this is my first thorin video

[@ElliotSveum]

First video I'm watching of him.. Seen som streams, but this was so awkward xD

[@PTdoubleOT]

id love to see u stream matchmaking and banter with ppl

[@NTHNCSGOContent]

+1

[@denzen4296]

+PTdoubleOT .. but in NA pls

[@Huchu1000]

He will never do it, he isnt so stupid

[@killerfrenchy]

+Huchu1000 ya he gets enough shit from people saying, "Oh you talk a big game, but you're probably a gold nova." If he played and they actually saw whatever his rank is, if it isn't Global Elite, so many people would make jokes about it. I've never really understood that though, some of the best coaches and analysts in sports barely played college ball or didn't play at all. You don't need to be a good player to have a great mind for the game.

[@yolodieded1801]

+killerfrenchy he seems like he knows what he's saying.So I think he play good,you can't give your opinion based only on what you see.

[@kylep9216]

When you droppin your mixtape?

[@ConnorKTwoOh]

All i can imagine is that scene from Top Gun with them playing volleyball and that song is playing but it's the AlphaDraft version he just sang and Thorin and Richard Lewis are playing against Maverick and Goose. Someone make that a commercial.

[@joeb5829]

I tried AlphaDraft, doesn't work in the state of New York. How do I make skrilla now?

[@alexdowd02]

VPN

[@domaslukosevicius8685]

+Alex Dowd vapenation? V/\

[@topdog6843]

+chan tra virtual private network

[@domaslukosevicius8685]

jk i know

[@stickboslightning]

+topdog6843 ummm, how am I supposed to get natural flavors, like cheetos and mtn dew, on a virtual private network. nice try wise guy.

[@The8BitTacoParty]

excited about the new thorin mixtape

[@MrJevans96]

Intro incredibly on point once again!

[@thesmallz6946]

Could you upload these types of videos on a podcast app because I love your videos but I would enjoy them more when I can hear them on bus when I am going to school or something like that. This would be so great! Greetings from Austria! :)

[@IIIlllIIIlI]

+1

[@lunarie8622]

+TheSmallz DO IT JUST DO IT

[@rohansamal]

it's there on soundcloud

[@Diavolo222]

Or just download them from youtube as mp3 and put it on your phone :)

[@N4N0_21]

Every time I think I have seen the best comercial, I watch a Thooorin video and have a new favorite comercial.

[@gotrice5]

I think you should've also included how atrocious the jump to the Silo is since valve made it 100% impossible to miss-jump

[@meradlav]

you know thorin is gettin mad scrilla when hes dressing formally for a video

[@matton3011]

What maps from 1.6 would you like back to CS:GO?

[@meradlav]

definetly tuscan. without a doubt

[@alexvintila96]

+Darude Sanddoge tuscan. FFS

[@crowcrumbs1]

cs_compound from source

[@b1rds_arent_real]

de_dust2_2x2_2016_se I love maps being modded to oblivion

[@delatroy]

Mill

[@antoine7793]

The intros are getting better and better!

[@bobbyweenus]

As a testament to the awareness of Dust2, there is a local here in Vegas who has a full back tattoo of the A bombsite from Source.

[@Izanagai]

I like that he was talking about removing dust II that map is so dull

[@customfreak567]

It is dull but most players now it well and people don't play know of the map. So when they see it played at a tournament you understand the game better.

[@escuirtul]

+CustomFreak567 it's a frag based map which suits only the better aimers, it's THE map you play to see who's a """"better"""" player. there's no tactical aspects to it... playing d2 is like playing a Deathmatch with no respawns. It's a basic, boring, dull and repetitive map in which game sense does not matter as long as you shoot first

[@miyamoto4946]

7:47 Still doesn't explain why the SG 553 is accurate enough to contest an AWPer from one side of long A to the other (even when unscoped) but an AK can't.

[@VinceTaglia]

+Friday Night SG costs a little more money

[@mikefol6443]

Because it's a sniper rifle XD, it's a balanced alternative to a one shot kill meat shot from an Awp. It's balanced because of the lack of penetration and damage

[@miyamoto4946]

+Credz Viperz The SG 553 pretty much does the same damage as the AK-47, and has 100% armour penetration. The AK and SG are actually pretty much identical except the SG is much more accurate. Valve just wants the SG to be viable, which is why the AK's first shot accuracy sucks, but Valve doesn't realise that pros aren't going to stop using the AK.

[@waaghghazghkull6362]

You predicted the meta three years ago.

[@Gaz19202]

As Zeus said on twitter "I'd rather play Tuscan from 1.6 than Nuke" Fuck Nuke

[@Gaz19202]

@ lmao current nuke pops

[@shanek3453]

new drinking game, every time thorin says "in terms of" take a drink

[@Simon74]

Funny that all comments are about the intro and not how much the new nuke sucks.

[@lukadelic4693]

The video ends at 1:00

[@maw3390]

@Thooorin when u releasing your mix-tape m8?

[@CrimsonHeretic00]

This was your best intro yet. Well done.

[@mattp7109]

IMO I think that the B bomb site needs another entrance, it's annoying when you're just stuck in banana where no one peeks. Then u have to charge in trying to get a frag.

[@TheMuwatalli]

Inferno is definitely the most exciting map and one of the most interesting ones in terms of set strats and mindgames... a disgrace to see it go :( iMO

[@DJ-ov2it]

Thorin you gonna make a Video about Prime-Matchmaking or Valves painful tries to combat cheating/hacking in general?

[@V1ndy]

What do you think about adding 2 maps into the map pool so instead of taking away inferno we just added nuke and possibly santorini or another one of FMPones maps?

[@owllukas]

These AlphaDraft intros are just gold.

[@NufTon]

Will you make a video or maybe a short explaination of any of the changes you'd like to see on inferno since its already been removed ?

[@pfowler92]

You should do a video, or series of videos, breaking down each of the active duty maps. As a relative newcomer to CS, I think it would be interesting to know more about the history of each map, as well as what you like/dislike, and a breakdown of what strats did/currently work.

[@ottoewing5642]

im playing since 2001, w a lot of inactivity ofc, so i not knew you yet, but it was a very cool and clevervid in terms of content. im looking forward to ur updates. gl hf

[@JakeSucky]

Maybe I'm too early or Thorin needs to use some mad scrilla to invest in a new high def webcam

[@gagizagi]

+CSGO News Not like his content is 99% audio or anything

[@Sinoops]

+officialkeshaN but we can't see every follicle of his beard

[@eimaj9780]

that intro song was art

[@josef733]

+OneHipster top gun

[@jian2069]

i pressed the like button during the intro and then you sang like another 45 seconds. best intro yet i'm not even going to watch the rest of the video.

[@zerozerozero_0]

Tuscan russka contra and a proper season plz?

[@Jrh62100]

Do you think there is a map better fit for the active duty pool? Or do you think that Nuke is the right choice, just with a different layout?

[@ViceFielder]

Are you not worried about Valve 'fixing' inferno? Thoughts on maps with long rotations (but with more alternatives/less predictive than Dust 2)?

[@trenoxspa]

@Thorin Enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the current map pool. Would you consider maybe interviewing prolific mappers like FMPONE or Volcano at some point and talk about what it takes to make competitive maps? I feel this is a dimension of the CSGO scene thats somewhat overlooked. Thanks!

[@ZadenWoW]

omg i dont mind alpha draft but can you not sing about it for 5 minutes please 😂😂

[@Thooorin]

+Troy Zimo Deal, I will sing for 6 minutes next time.

[@detaaz]

+Thooorin make it 20 next time Kappa

[@TribeWars1]

+Troy Zimo Press L to skip forward 10 seconds

[@allstarrusse4761]

+Troy Zimo Try listening to it while ur high, not bad

[@Twiggyay]

You're getting free content here. Bend over and let alphadraft enter you as your payment for Thorin's content.

[@Dargonfyre]

thooorin can you make a video about having a 9 map pool ? just thinking what may go when inferno comes back

[@CatnamedMittens]

I miss the old nuke :

[@lukazwaan7123]

+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Yeah me too, so many good memories... Now when I see Nuke I wanna Puke D:

[@antoine7793]

Me too played over 100 games on it.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Old Nuke was legitimately the only map I wanted to play BECAUSE it was so CT sided. I wanted to just play T side and work out what works and doesn't against CTs.

[@naturalborndylla]

+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Old nuke is better than the new one

[@ScapeTheRS]

Make a alpha draft mix tape thorin

[@leonrambach1216]

On the New Nuke it looks like Volvo just added a ton of things to make life for the t's easier and gave the map a grafic update without caring to much about the possibility that the t's could get to strong!

[@soomuchtorque]

+Leon Rambach Im assuming you mean Valve right?

[@leonrambach1216]

soomuchtorque Yes indeed.

[@rikolas1406]

+soomuchtorque Most people refer to them as Volvo.

[@romanr9883]

you think you want to see inferno, but you dont

[@abyzzwarrior3305]

HA!

[@Drew_DZ]

+Roman Randhahn wow is leaking

[@ithanmachuca]

+Thooorin : Can you discuss the Prime Account update? I really want to see your opinion and predictions on it :)

[@shoesmcge2630]

I'm still hanging out for when 'Workout' and 'Back Ally' get added to the map pool... they used to be in the, I think, reserve map pool a while back. They were fun, I liked themAlso I have a question for Thorin, if he reads these, what are the chances of a hostage level ever being put into the Active map pool? like Office, Assault or a brand new map that get designed specifically for the Active pool...just instead of having all bomb plant levels a hostage lvl could shake it up quite a bit

[@vAgue57br]

operation maps..

[@shoesmcge2630]

vAgue right cos ESL is gonna play on the Wildfire maps..

[@vAgue57br]

***** You said Workout and Back Alley were in the map pool. They are not. They never were. Only operationwise.

[@shoesmcge2630]

no no I said it would be good if they, or hostage levels like them were ino they were never in the active pool

[@TeqHDcasper]

just a question, why did maikelele "leave" and now is a backup to FaZe? like why do u leave and not join snother team?

[@duskDrifter_]

Thorin, if you were to add a map to the pool instead of nuke, which one would you add? Perhaps Santorini?

[@Giley512]

Good video, it is difficult to disagree with ur points. However, i wanted to ask u about de_cache. Dont u think its mid is a bit too much t-sided? We can see teams rollin on t side basically by going ham 5 man mid and killing ct players covering there. Such tactic will work 70% of the time because of the advantage of going out from 2 different angles (boost, entrance) and the only way for ct to win mid fights is having an extraordinary round by their mid laner(s). In this case map is dictated basically by the aim of the ct midlaners, which is of course a terrible phenomena for competitive CS. Would really appreciate ur opinion on that. Greets.

[@TheFBATruth]

Completely agree don't think it should have been removed. Look back at the past 2 years you'll see like 60-75% of knockout stage BO3's had Inferno played in there.

[@mesavor]

Thorin, what's your opinion about the way Valve try balance between CT-T side by making all CT's weapons much more inferior to T's counterparts (eg. M4 vs AK, 5-7 vs Tec9) ?

[@TheLrx1]

5-7 inferior to tec-9 ?

[@NotstarvinMarvin]

Its a matter of mentality, if you check every spot, you will for example check fountain, or 1st orange boost. I also agree that the map needs no big changes.

[@thomasberg777]

We need this on spotify Thorin!

[@showmesomelove3754]

Anyone have video links on the fnatic vs mtw matches Thorin mentions at 8:55

[@Kr4zyAc3]

Did Thooorin ever make a entire map on analyzing the history of every map in CSGO/CS? Like he would be analyzing the history of the maps, their significance, strengths/weaknesses in terms of entertainment/tactical enjoyment? if not, he definitely should.

[@fpsoftdev]

I love Inferno but I do think it needs minor tweeks to visibility mostly and some of the invulnerable pillars. I don't mind not seeing it for a while until they fix those issues.

[@hobrev]

also, I'm strongly in favor of the rotating map pool system, mainly because there are people out there who are willing to make maps for competitive play but they do not get a real chance with the current system of having operations to show new maps that never get introduced to competitive play. Even polished versions of older maps like season or coast would be a nice change of pace for some of the staler maps

[@r1sott0]

+hobrev In Matchmaking sure, but that could kill pro level play, because how many teams are playing a tactical style will lose there edge and no one could ever get good at a map.

[@hobrev]

+Sniberhamber not if its done right, 1.6 had some great examples of this. I mean we wouldnt have mirage this day if cpl hadnt had the balls to bring in some new maps to spice up the game, IE strike, for their tournaments. 1.6 had its problems with this as well tho, ESL just brought in maps just for the hell of it, good maps for casual play like rotterdam or sunny but which didnt really go that well in comp play

[@bren4636]

the reworked season and santorini are very good maps that could be added instead of newke

[@christianhuang9673]

i dont get why you cant have more than 7 maps in the pool. 1.6 and source had maps like mill, fire, russka, and contra as competitive maps.

[@bogdanstanciu7946]

Back then each league had its own map pool

[@dearicsmiles5954]

Can someone help me list all of the majors that have ever taken place and which teams who won them? Can't find anywhere.

[@dearicsmiles5954]

Sorry for the crappy grammar.

[@banjomoevies]

+Dearic Smiles wikipedia knows all

[@DJDiarrhea]

Thorin's intros get more and more fire

[@r4microds]

this may sound stupid but I'd honestly enjoy having Season in active duty in place of cobble.

[@N015iA]

What do u think about "de_tuscan"?

[@SandroSegadora]

What's the name of the song getting parodied at the start?

[@rolber321]

mah boii Here is dat song "Playing With The Boys" you welcome :D

[@hunchbackproduction]

Dust II, Inferno, Old Nuke, Mirage and Old Train were the 5 maps ?

[@Tupakkaukko]

mirage_ce

[@batistalift]

+hunchbackproduction Yes. Old Mirage that was

[@paulhudson6846]

+hunchbackproduction i think mirage and cache could be tweaked, but not overhauled, dust 2 should be left alone, but inferno and cobble needs sorting out... i play no others :P

[@mikehawk8598]

The plant spot on top of the silo on b site is so broken. If you win the round as a ct, this variable can cause you to lose because you either have to have a person go through vents or walk all the way around the ramp. If this small thing can cost people $500,000 as the major, it needs to be removed. The plant on top of the a-silo is okay because you can come from heaven and there's a ladder on the side of it, but on B, it's just broken.

[@consistentbug]

Thorin it would be great to get your insight into why Brood War eventually died out.

[@minecraftsheep4509]

Listening to thorin rant abt shit is literally the most amazing thing to listen to in order to go to sleep. I mean that in the least negative way possible.

[@kevinmiles4630]

ALPHA DRAFT BETTER BE GIVING THORRIN HELLA SKRILLA FOR THESE MAGNIFICENT INTROS

[@theseanie9958]

Would santorini be good enough for professional games?

[@theseanie9958]

true, it would need some fixing like with the dead bodies near A connector, but as a map itself, i see some promise in it

[@GameNationRDF]

What if we separated pro and mm and had a casual map pool (for match making) and a competitive map pool (for pros, tournaments, ladders, etc etc)

[@ThePlatinumPenguinHD]

No point because you can still play Inferno in reserves. (I think that's what you're saying)

[@GameNationRDF]

ThePlatinumPenguinHD No, I mean we can have a rotating system like thorin suggest in pro map and the regular valve map pool in mm pool

[@IIIlllIIIlI]

+GameNationRDF ... and why would we have that?

[@GameNationRDF]

Oliver c: So that valve can impose whatever the heck they want to mm players and the pro map pool can stay the way thorin suggests.

[@IIIlllIIIlI]

GameNationRDF There's a reserves map pool for that.

[@myth2adrenaline]

lol best alphadraft intro yet!

[@Dasmaster1]

I just think they want to update the map itself to have a more modern texture etc.. like they did with Nuke.

[@georgeree3182]

+Das Neko i hope they dont ,i want fps

[@Dasmaster1]

Zero Unfortunately they have risen the graphical standard of standard maps now since the graphical update since the game is so old. They dont particularly want older maps to be the "face" of CS:GO in 2016 because it looks old.

[@GamingKarbon]

I've never heard someone use the term "going in dry" to refer as a lack of smokes and flashes...

[@ljfrocksursocks1566]

Thorin can you make a video about Slemmy replacing Freakazoid for C9?

[@vAgue57br]

There may only be one reason. BILLY Kappa

[@ZacStew]

i dont understand how the intro could get better than this

[@jjrdias]

I liked Inferno. For all its supposed flaws, it has its own character and charm, and plays differently from every other map. I hope the rework addresses the major issues but doesn't totally render it bland.

[@marsrovert]

I was dying when he was like "yup get ready scrubbin's... Dust 2." hahaha

[@aplayerwhoplays7579]

To be honest, I'm not too worried with the state of the map, as it will definitely see some big changes in the following months, to assure that it is ready for competitive high level play, by the time the next major hits. (Somewhat like the changes cobble and overpass saw when they were first released.)

[@HolyLambChops]

thoughts on godsent and their semis arrival with pronax in the future pls :]

[@IIIlllIIIlI]

c h e c k t h e a l p h a d r a f t p o d c a s t s

[@reallycool]

Excellent well informed points made herein.

[@bingobot]

where the hell is clan1_mill and de_prodigy !??

[@ShadowedStickfigure]

If thooorin made a 12 hour video I would order a pizza and watch the whole thing

[@masterrob321]

If valve wants to add / remove maps why don't they just have a vote in csgo that pops up on the home screen you pick 1 map to remove and 1 map to add

[@AsTaFTheRealOne]

Can someone explain to me why Dust1 is not played at all?

[@brendand1543]

Dust 1 is not really competitively viable as it's very badly designed

[@AsTaFTheRealOne]

Linkplaysgames I am scrub so I don't really understand flaws of it. Care you explain to me?

[@brendand1543]

Jack Harsel The design of it makes it very hard to play as a t as there are very little places where a ct wont be watching so taking sites is really difficult

[@nameawoman6124]

23:47 Talks about Nuke.

[@oepi4554]

+johnky bless you

[@CatnamedMittens]

+johnky You're missing most of the important parts...

[@craZy_y0]

Nice singing man. You could probably win Britain's Got Talent by singing about Alphadraft if you think about it xD

[@vince5398]

So..... did Thorin just said beaters when he said the first players played the original dust around 19:30-20:00? Like.... S.A.O reference?

[@NiklasRi]

would've prefered de_season

[@nepic01]

+NiklasRi I FUCKING LOVE SEASON. I play it all the time when I played faceit

[@brantdiabo229]

God tier Alpha Draft intro

[@TheKhaozSniper]

RIP Inferno you'll always hold a place in my heart

[@abcdefzhij]

+TheKhaozSniper Inferno isn't gone. It could come back. Also anyone can still play it. I really think they should have removed cobblestone though

[@xXxlolvsroflxXx]

You forgot the cobble and overpass drops that are the only reason a lot of people watch the games.