Thorin's Thoughts - Pros Don't Save Properly (CS:GO)

[@PALbub]

Thorin, hang in there as usual. The plebs are just a plague, most die out in a few days. Your content is brilliant and i love what you have done for cs! thank you.

[@SmpleFanBoy]

PAL +1

[@trid3nt749]

Holy moly, why is there THIS much negative feedback here? Thorin got a good point imo, I don't know why everyone is mad lol

[@SmpleFanBoy]

Trid3nt jealous thats it

[@trid3nt749]

But he doesn't get so much negative feedback on his other videos, it has to do something with this topic

[@wkingston1248]

Reddit drama and witch hunting about a recent tweet which wasn't controversial in anyway. Give it a week and the pea brained redditors will forget and praise him once again.

[@dEVIiiii]

Think lots of analysis relating to money situation missing: - you have good economy, enemy doesn't -> maximize round impact by taking exit kills - similar economy -> enemy unlikely to chase, just hide as far as possible - enemy has much better economy -> enemy likely to chase fully, you have to take "stupid duels" or try sneaky kills because you are likely to die anyways Of course time remaining affects the last two.

[@joshuatownsend8241]

dEVIiiii Love this. Enjoyed the video too.

[@kanskejonasidag1]

I have also been thinking about this lately, and I couldn't agree more. Although the part that tilts me the most is probably the excessive force-buying..

[@dannynip]

It tilts me when I see pros going deagle + full armour on a half buy round. Then next round, they can only afford 2 flashbangs...

[@seal3501]

or buying p250 on full glock 2nd round... next round with only 1 flash or smoke

[@JohnnyUnderscoreC]

Yeah, I was hoping he was going to talk about the excessive force-buying, because that's what's been tilting me.

[@screechdrummer]

ikr? the force buys tend to work on some maps in some situations (famously, Inferno T-side... holy shit) and everyone started doing that shit without considering what could/would happen later **facepalm**

[@Peanutbutt101]

Replay not true. A p250 can still win you the round, you at least have a chance to still win the round. With only glocks it's literally impossible

[@TheFippe]

Im a simple man, i hear Thorin preach, i like.

[@H42E]

Thorin is getting a Guru :D I love to see his growing confidence in debates and this videos where he just speaks to a camera all from beeing an insanely good analyst and even become better and better by taking totally passionated incredible amount of research and effort into every single aspect of his work. And come on whereelse can you watch aging a thorin clone insanely fast in just a couple of months and then getting recycled by a fresh teenager version? :d

[@the_bottomfragger]

I totally agree, it's painful to watch sometimes. It's the urge of many players to always want to make a play and get some frags but in the end it just puts you at an unnecessary risk. Also if there are 3 people saving and one decides to peek aggressively, the enemy team will instantly hunt down all of the remaining players. If you want to save, don't give away your position when the bomb has only been ticking for 10 seconds, it doesn't make any sense. But I guess pros still do it because CSGO is an extremely forgiving game in the sense that it won't make such a huge difference if you end up with a pistol force or 3 rifles in the following round. There's no other way to explain how teams like FaZe do an absurd amount of these mistakes and still are so successful.

[@DomskiPlays]

Fucking boomeo is everywhere

[@smash4560]

the Duels Mod is very very good for practice/warmup. The guides are basic stuff, not that good imo.

[@smash4560]

Boomeo Duels is free anyway, ain´t no need that premium shit for the duels.

[@liamobrien9451]

Smeg Head lol idiot duels are free, someone is just stealing the code for no reason

[@tobeehxd6999]

Thorin... i love watching your videos while eating. So entertaining. I love your videos.

[@anoh2689]

lol i do the same

[@Zarrakon]

TobeehXd I'm eating rn watching wtf

[@bg8580]

Your point makes sense, but I would like to hear the pros point of view on this situation( if they have one).

[@ddavisgaming]

Are you going to make a prediction video for the major?

[@rue2636]

retaking a bombsite on inferno with 2-3 players with no nades is less than a 25-30% chance.

[@GamingPsycotic]

At a pro level at least. A is so tough to retake these days.

[@vetu104]

Yet those miraculous retakes happen almost every match.

[@rue2636]

vetu104 What matches are you watching?

[@sirdetmist3204]

yeah after like 5 tries.

[@thesweets7778]

Why do you have headphones on

[@Fleathemighty]

During a sports competition the percentage and data usually goes to shit for the most part. When you are ingame you have a certain feeling about the game, which the lowranked viewers cannot understand. When pro players go for clutches they feel their opponents and try to make the best plays based on that feeling. That's why you see teams sometimes play with no respect. They feel their opponents pressure is very low and it's no point in holding back waiting for them. What's most entertaining about this is that the teams' pressure is not constant, but erratic to a certain extent. That's what makes games back and forth when two teams of different calibers face each other, even though on paper there should be a clear cut winner.

[@LeonardoJimenezHerrera]

Comment section in a nutshell: People say Thooorin shouldn't/ can't tell a pro how to play because he is not a pro. People tell Thooorin how to analyse but they aren't analysts. Nice logic.

[@Ketsuegg]

Dude who has dedicated his life to the analysis of a certain video game makes a video on tactics Comments section - YER WRONG OMG WHAT A NOOB I CAN DO BETTER HE DONT KNOW WHAT TALKING ABOUT

[@biubiuty]

would be great to have an episode of reflections with rapha after the quake world championship major

[@sandervikanes5812]

when you are saving you shold first find a corner to gide in then stay in an off angle at start so you have an advantage if the enemy goes to the place you are and if they dont you just fall back so they dont have time to kill you

[@abgcreative]

I hate how the esp logo is not aligned with the bottom of the box 😠

[@iadf]

"this is something that has tilted me for many years" - thorin on non star players using awp primarily

[@ellipsoidi]

and it's entirely well argued too. it is tilting to see people play awp when they could have much more impact with a rifle.

[@fabian.d.kruger5564]

who do u think is it then :>?

[@LångemansLya]

Thorin has more time analysing demos than most people have playing the game, i think he can express informed opinions about pros

[@flipthecoin.]

are the best players players who dont know how to save? maybe fraggingwise but not overall

[@calebdavis719]

"weigh winning the current round vs winning the next round with a save; ex: 2v4 VS a larger buy next round"

[@pug6312]

I feel like people didn't even watch the video, they just saw the title of it and though to them selves "Thorin is Gold Nova 2 so what the fuck does this world class analyst know about the game"? Everything Thorin says is 100% correct.

[@h8den651]

I think pros play more with their emotion than with their brain, which might be a good thing for some of them such as s1mple, playing with his cockiness and confidence. Objectively, saving would be best to hedge your bets to win the game, but I think the human element will always overshadow raw meta/strategy. It worked for fnatic back in the day, and hotheads will probably always hold the madfragger role, which is too crucial an element to work off the meta in every game.

[@Ghosty4k]

Totally agree, there are many small things like this that pro players don't do, and still people take them as gods no matter what...

[@sd48]

they don't have the sense to take a 3 week stats course what do you expect

[@Alex-vy1ll]

You can call this video the Fnatic Special.

[@zombi561]

It's sad that these people are just dismissing Thorin because they don't like him instead of actually thinking for themselves about what he's talking about and realising what he's saying is true

[@MrNiggelbeck]

I actually agree with most of this.

[@alcan9952]

boomeo is matrix?

[@jr-6025]

Jame saw this video.

[@josef167]

Thorin boomeo intro compilation request.

[@115cmrt]

you should talk about maikelele situation

[@thekamotodragon]

nobody ever really factors in the reality of the situation that alot of these "pros" that are revered as gods and, even from these comments that say " pros know better" when in reality, are just regular people who make mistakes and aren't really that much more experienced than high ranking esea players, but they just got better luckier opportunities, for example they could be over confident one round and just full buy pistol armor or they could just not be very smart in general and don't think about economy, i mean pros aren't above critique and making bad decisions, i mean nobody even factors in the possibility that some of them could just be like dmg level cheaters who got carried into like fpl or whatever and they really don't know about economy because they're actually bad, but that's actually reality that that could be happening and probably is... i mean hundreds of cheaters get caught on this game daily and people here just think these pros are perfect beings lol... the tragic irony

[@seal3501]

nice sundev1ce

[@dancingoctopussmead]

Not gonna lie when I read the title I thought you meant that pros are bad at making good financial decisions in terms of their future with how they spend there salary after listening to the intro though I now feel foolish

[@Zarrakon]

Why all the dislikes on your videos recently?

[@azhaneden]

SKELL if you see his tweets recently you'd understand why

[@samueljackson3512]

Azhan Aziz which ones?

[@tailsbooddah]

12 year old butthurt plebs think pros are literally gods, and know every aspect of the game. :P

[@gustav1712]

Thales Campos like 1/20 pros are even close to that

[@DanXD25]

Thales Campos "I'm an edgy 14 year old that likes calling people I don't know children."

[@gustav1712]

DanXD25 "I'm a 22 year old who barely has my life in order but likes to call any one who says anything remotely offensive on the internet an edgy 14 year old" : >

[@3xtan327]

BlinD i dem burns

[@tailsbooddah]

DanXD25 I´m actually 29, but of course still very edgy.

[@totole-sgt.bidoof6387]

Hello guys have you ever heard of boomeo??

[@collinbrown9939]

C9 made it out of groups after starting 0-2. The bigger the stage, the bigger the smoke. The bigger the Smoke, the greater the Stew. C9 first major incoming

[@s1mo-RBC]

In Thorin's palace built on a $krilla foundation, even pros are plebs. Thank you Lord Thooorin, for gracing us with your knowledge.

[@brendan8593]

...usually when pros peak on a save, it's because the opponent is too close and the opponent gets to pre-aim the angle that the guy saving is holding, making it a relatively easy kill. (taking into account peaker's advantage etc.). The saving dude peaking is just him checking if somebody hasn't silently been creeping up to him. He wide peaks this so that HE gets the peaker's advantage instead... c'mon thooorin get outa here with this shit.

[@hecta8495]

There is no such thing as peeker's advantage on LAN.

[@aboodabulaban2867]

"you know this has to be kennys there its pretty extreme circumstance" hahaha fucking kennys...

[@applehack97]

this makes me think i would like to see how thorin plays

[@thesaint5991]

silver =force buy gold nova = full save mg = armor and default pistol supreme and global = armor tec 9 or cz 75 force buying is not worst thing u win u get momentum faster . ez pz .

[@hasancan1643]

it would be really boring if they will save at 5v3s, 1v2s ...

[@wkingston1248]

When people say to thooorin that non pro players can't analyze the games but those same people aren't pros so how can they even tell if hes wrong if they aren't pros. :thinking:

[@samueljackson3512]

WiSpKing they can't analyze throrins videos , because they aren't professional analysts lol

[@damianmysciak3264]

God Allu

[@arnaraki7514]

I want it I need it to make me feel heated

[@BillyHashbrown]

I like Csgo

[@IUHOI]

Thorin with a basic concept for 17 minutes video.

[@MrKiseki24]

title should be "CS:GO players don't save properly" cuz you don't have to be a pro to see this shit lol But then again who cares about matchmaking 🤔

[@SmpleFanBoy]

MrKiseki24 only pussies save in mm, right? XD

[@acez_8723]

Jepekker ye in MM just go for it unless its impossible, you never get cool clutches if you dont try :D

[@SmpleFanBoy]

you have the right attitude its all about the highlights if you dare to do a fullsave in mm im ready to kick you atleast buy deag on a save ;D

[@Smohkey]

It's okay thorin Gold novas cant do this shit either

[@simonauger8216]

"you'll have enough for each member of your team to have 5 guns." - Thorin 2k17 5 guns per player, really. :>

[@Frawt]

“you’ll have enough for each member of your team, to have 5 guns”. You’ll have enough for each member of your team, to have 5 guns in the team. 5 guns in a 5-man team means a gun for each player. You can have shit English, but don’t call others out for it if you do.

[@ЛевЦугранис]

Fuck you, Thorin! ©Don$tepan

[@vpagliarini]

Nice, thanks!

[@VenomousStare]

So many angry cretins in the comments. Good video, Duncan.

[@Setashi]

I'm sure you're a genius on the subject

[@harcosdagadt2748]

Gold Nova 2 teaches how to save.

[@s1mo-RBC]

harcos Dagadt blasphemer

[@Officialpunchy]

Well he doesn't really play cs...

[@harcosdagadt2748]

He was in gold nova 2 last time when he played. I won't deny that he is a good analyst though.

[@damianmain2429]

harcos Dagadt. god you are so stupid

[@Jackwillplaygta]

harcos Dagadt gold nova is basically just silver

[@Raikolol]

I get the slaying

[@jurgen8169]

yesterday i started playing cs go,like if u don't care

[@RockoDSS]

When you become less and less releveant... just try telling pros how to play lol.

[@RockoDSS]

Here a wild Thorin (good old MG1) trying to tell pros how to play xD Ofc you'll always have your 12 year old fanboys that think everything you say is golden.

[@tommyrobredo95]

Stewie2k is the chosen one.

[@bvnxxfdbagbregaer535]

chosen to never get into a mayor final, that is.

[@tommyrobredo95]

atleast stewie goes to a major :D

[@aiodjaidasjiodaiosdjao6839]

Its JAME time

[@Fluskar]

smithzz best na player

[@ej1635]

i like thooorin

[@ArmenSur]

You can see there is a group of insanely sad people who are doing their best to get to Thorin by stalking him on social media. You do not understand that Thorin feeds of you.

[@ellipsoidi]

[@androo8400]

Csgo likes me

[@gustav1712]

quazx don't lie to yourself

[@SmkeSme]

Allu man!

[@QurttoRco]

Thorin high as fuck trying to tell pros how to play.

[@oHgaming1]

You must be high if you think you need to play at a top level to understand certain parts of the game. You could be the smartest player in the world but not have the mechanical skill to reach pro level. Then at the same time there could be someone who is the best mechanically skilled player and would only lose 1 in 100 gun fights yet doesn't understand the games economy.

[@s1mo-RBC]

QurttoRco clearly they don't because we see what he's talking about over and over. He's only been watching high level CS since most pros were in day care. You don't have to be Shox to understand CS.

[@screechdrummer]

+Smeg Head that's the whole point. he literally said that when most pros are in-game they think "in the moment" situational awareness and calm, collected thinking is something that can give you a massive advantage in making these "split-second decisions" idk, most people tend to take rash decisions in-game... including myself... but off-late, more often, I consciously think about what'll happen if I take this risk or lose this weapon or dry-peek this corner and don't do it based on my previous knowledge... sure in hind-sight it may be a stupid thing to do... but at that very moment, it was a calculated play from my perspective and knowledge. (idk if that shit matters in Silver, lol, but yeah... I try to make the _right_ play whenever I do play.

[@Aquificae]

Yea, I find it extremely unlikely that, at this point, none of the pros and coaches and IGL's would be aware of such improper savings lol I'm pretty sure there are variables thorin couldn't think of right here. The title for his video should be something like "why do pros save the way they do?". Should be like that every time, actually. Analysts can point out mistakes in the gameplay later on, since these happen due to the factors like the pressure of the moment, but to believe the whole CS:GO scene hasn't learned how to save and Thorin is here to teach them is just... really far-fetched

[@QurttoRco]

Daniel Wiley its like having sex, watching wont get you anywhere

[@moddyai]

i dont like csgo

[@gabrieltm9]

i agree with you

[@killazZ]

we dont like you either

[@Fluskar]

league fucker

[@calebdavis719]

source 2 is only 5 years away!

[@tnightwolf]

Caleb Davis actually it already exists in Dota;)

[@romus3550]

Saving in 2K17 LUL Jebaited

[@onnijarvinen3192]

GOD ALLU

[@ScopedCS]

Hiding is a good saving tactic?

[@mara1270]

yes

[@ellipsoidi]

yes?

[@SmpleFanBoy]

Scoped best

[@vetu104]

Torille!

[@gabrieltm9]

i dislike csgo

[@hatujemeletsplayeryheskyce6460]

gabrieltm9 tfw you are before Billy

[@fl0wvo312]

League sucks ass if thats what you like.

[@gabrieltm9]

who said i like league? i just dislike csgo :/ I also have 1500 hours on CS and yet im convinced its the worst game ever made

[@nawll11]

seems legit

[@fl0wvo312]

Tf why is your picture a sticker from the cs mlg columbus major then?

[@Fablepie]

torille itkemää :'(

[@tylerdog3]

WHAT UP NOTIFICATION SQUAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TribeWars1]

First f yeah

[@xDAKPRODUCTIONSx]

now come on thorin you have never played a competitive game of cs in your life. You cant claim that pros dont play properly with that being said.

[@bewiggathemoose]

Pretty sure pros would have a better idea of how to play csgo then Thorin.

[@thisguy4382]

You want to point out a flaw in one of his arguments?

[@steaux9623]

gold nova thinks he knows better than pro players :thinking:

[@Monkimode]

8/8 bait

[@imafoolwithhorses2811]

This has to be a troll, no way you can give pros tips on how to play/save weapons lol

[@carlrennie1141]

i think you'l find the man is serious ^-^ all the time :D

[@nathangrove1506]

pros don't know EVERYTHING about the game.... theres always something else to learn in csgo

[@imafoolwithhorses2811]

nath yes I know that I just find it strange how an analyst can say 'pros don't save properly' when he's never been in that situation at a major for example or playing against elite teams

[@acez_8723]

I'm a fool With horses ur not a analyst so you cant analyse analysts

[@imafoolwithhorses2811]

Ben Chettleburrgh I wasn't/didn't at any point..