Hi! Sorek here! Thank you very much for this deck tech! I showed you first deck more like bunch of ideas to build into - I have no experience with legacy (other than watching tons of your videos) so I tried to prepare different strategies. You are right, cat-oven is awesome engine for late game, but amount of disruptions in legacy make it really hard to pop off. And I agree, fetches and other baubles are great, but mayhem only benefits them in late game, and in your games you didn't have luck for "ideal" turn turn in explorer so 1 - toughsize - 2 oven + cat 3 mayhem devil It is also much better against fair decks, but last game with opponent winning at 1hp was brutal. Not sure if you would win if you use urza saga for second oven but definitely it would change a lot in game if you had it as your opponent was really scared for it for good reasons. I believe Fable is must in this deck unfortunately - it fixes your land cards, you can discard your cat (also, I wouldn't play more than 3 cats nad 3-4 ovens in this deck anyway) but in explorer you play claim of the firstborn + deadly dispute (which also lets you sacrifice your own creatures as response to removal) to generate card advantage and extra tresure tokens (also from fable) so you have much more sacrifices to mayhem devil/sir ginger/broadside which was the problem in this league. Newest addition cards namely Forsaken Miner is just awesome in late game (also with fable) and works well in this deck. Then you could even run Faithless looting and maybe transition this deck to more late game style. And let me tell you devil + reflection of kiki-jiki from fable is just nuts itself. So a bit sad you had to cut it. But nevertheless awesome deck and happy you managed to end up positive.
@sorek__6 ай бұрын
Also a note - on hard removal side (post sideboard) I like to play with sheoldreds edict - extra sacrifice works nice with devil also :)
@AaronRotenberg6 ай бұрын
"by repeatedly taking a cat in and out of a format" Well yeah I guess, it was banned in Standard and rebalanced in Historic.
@TROLOLOLOLO0076 ай бұрын
Should’ve kept a claim the first born for any marit lage decks haha
@morgoth24256 ай бұрын
BRO
@silverdeathgamer29076 ай бұрын
They can often due at at instant speed but it is very funny.
@zzztopspin6 ай бұрын
Love seeing my favorite pioneer deck in legacy!!! While Bombardiers looks busted as heck, I still imagine there's a place for Fable, since it does so much more to ramp it out than a bombardiers, and the goblin shaman is a sac-trigger machine with those treasures, and... Well, if you ever fable clone a mayhem devil all hell breaks loose! I imagine 2-3 total ancient tombs would still be viable in this deck for more consistent constructs, and more T2 fables, and maybe still some bombardiers? Love love love to see this deck in legacy and I hope you do more!!!!
@morgoth24256 ай бұрын
fable is a waaaay better card in this deck i agree
@pedrohdalla6 ай бұрын
legacy is funny, you deck can have 4 urza's saga and 56 basic lands and still win
@Senpiezza6 ай бұрын
Would some Exsanguinator Cavalry work here? Blood tokens seem like useful sacrifice triggers in places and grow Constructs too
@morgoth24256 ай бұрын
probably better than broadside bombers
@johnkater52766 ай бұрын
-Plays a sacrifice deck -0x copies of Cabal Therapy -No Bowmasters 😭
@3arcmaxindeps36 ай бұрын
Maybe it's just me but with all the artifacts galvanic blast might be better than lightning bolt in this deck.
@tiredguy7095 ай бұрын
This made me start experimenting with Dargo the Shipwrecker in Legacy. 8 baubles 4 petals and 4 goldhounds made dargo pretty easy to cast early, then things like broadside and claim the firstborn to round the list out made it overall a pretty cool list. Funny enough though I ended up cutting mayhem devil.
@ThrabenUniversity5 ай бұрын
Those sorts of cards seem fun, until Karakas ruins your day.
@tiredguy7095 ай бұрын
@@ThrabenUniversity I just learned this yesterday. Sac your whole board then get bounced and have nothing to close out the last bit of life
@michaelvansickles6 ай бұрын
Everybody loves some snackdos
@pedrohdalla6 ай бұрын
mayhem devil feels like an overpriced bowmasters, but it doesn't die to other bowmasters so great
@Jeff-gc2sb6 ай бұрын
I hope everyone is having a good day!
@Mmoll19906 ай бұрын
Wizards really giving up on flavor these days, huh? How is a Raucous Theatre type Mountain or type Swamp? I could see it producing those colors as a nonbasic, but there's no way it has the subtypes. SMDH
@morgoth24256 ай бұрын
they want to sell packs of shitlov manor
@SPHRTHEIO6 ай бұрын
R2G3 you could sac Syr Ginger to get Cauldron Familiar that you surveiled to the Graveyard before to get a blocker for knight. Probably wouldn't make a difference, but one more drawstep:-)
@mclark3476 ай бұрын
There was no Cauldron Familiar in the graveyard. That got scried to bottom, not surveiled.
@SPHRTHEIO6 ай бұрын
Oh, my bad. Carry on, nothing to see here!
@alecp-rb7wx6 ай бұрын
Using your intro as a punch line, bravo phil.
@morgoth24256 ай бұрын
Ah yes, the ol' queue up some jank and play against some jank video. love it
@thegreatneotgn88916 ай бұрын
Im currently also trying to find a way for Cat oven in modern or Legacy but i quickly found that Red is actually kinda weak... I tried Golgari cuz there are many new tools for Sac list with the descend cards which worked a lot smoother! Tho i still havn´t figured out a final list
@Eisenwulf6666 ай бұрын
Curious to see what you will come up with!
@pegab216 ай бұрын
Maybe the cat oven package would be interesting in dimir in an Akal Pakal / Emry build
@data_abort6 ай бұрын
27:26 T1 cat primo play in Explorer
@fasthippy6 ай бұрын
claim the firstborn is super crazy and pushes the oven count up.... perhaps its too eh but dang can that card do mean stuff.
@silverdeathgamer29076 ай бұрын
Getting an Uro or Kroxa with it was so fun.
@ThePencilWizard6 ай бұрын
I’m thinking you might need to splash a green for the cards that destroy all enchantments or something.
@Syaska6 ай бұрын
"Cauldron familiar can block right?" ...wellllllllll
@Antimonium6 ай бұрын
15:52 opponent bites on dis member ouch
@aringrey5 ай бұрын
ok, this deck looks gas actually
@Ox5f3759df6 ай бұрын
somewhere, Sam Black is smiling
@olafthemoose94136 ай бұрын
Lol why did the first opponent not stifle the evoke trigger if they were going to stifle the damage trigger
@joeaquilino196 ай бұрын
No Culdacar ?? Seems like she could cook here 🤔
@CharlotteMimic6 ай бұрын
CAT OVEN CAT OVEN CAT OVEN
@alenphull6 ай бұрын
As is, the construction definitely seems awkward. Since you have to expect your resources are getting spent every turn, your 3 drop "engines" don't have any fuel by the time they arrive. And, since those cards do basically nothing on their own, they can't help you close out a game if you've been trading one for one the whole time. Then on top of that, most of your effects are gradual, and can only be expected to go off about once a turn. Ultimately I feel like it is too slow to go underneath the meta and the ceiling is too low to go overtop it. Needs serious reconsideration. If it is trying to be a burn deck, it needs to have less incremental finishers. If it is trying to be a grindy deck, it needs better control and card selection. Shame, since I love grindy sacrifice decks more than anything and was really rooting for this one.