Threat Brief: SU-30

Mover, Gonky and Wombat discuss the SU-30 and Gonky's real world experiences fighting against it in this week's (*UNCLASSIFIED*) Threat Brief. Check out The Mover and Gonky Show Mondays at 8PM ET LIVE. • The Mover and Gonky Show
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[@Belkan779]

Gonky is the most Humble Pilot i've seen and he has fought some crazy airplanes. From Raptors to Sukhois and Migs. What a badass!

[@YF23BlackWidowll]

You can’t lie through she’s a beautiful bird

[@rogerwilco5918]

Compared to what?

[@fitriplayeryt1185]

​@@rogerwilco5918what do you mean?

[@rogerwilco5918]

@fitriplayeryt1185 but part of my question confused you? Put it next to an F-15 and it's hideous. Put it next to mig 31 and it looks okay.

[@YF23BlackWidowll]

@@rogerwilco5918 I think it looks amazing

[@fitriplayeryt1185]

@@rogerwilco5918 sooo is wrong the f15 fenboy to say something nice to enemy aircraft.... I think not

[@laurab.9318]

People who only watch the full Monday night show are missing out. The extra footage edited in really makes it worth an extra watch. This one is particularly cool!

[@BenTrem42]

Thanks for this. _Was gonna skip it!_ ^5

[@laurab.9318]

​@@BenTrem42 👍

[@user-gt5me3nf6b]

Where can I watch the full thing?

[@laurab.9318]

@@user-gt5me3nf6b Go to the main page, then playlists. It's under The Mover and Gonky Show playlist.

[@laurab.9318]

@@user-gt5me3nf6b and if you got like 4 notifications of that, sorry, YT kept auto-eating my reply.

[@marktisdale7935]

I lost it with the breakdown of the conversation about trust vectoring. That went downhill real quick.

[@kshitijsharma6289]

i identify as metric unit and calling me commie unit is offensive

[@3dmax911]

Gonky's openion is always unbiased!! love the hear him always

[@dmjohn65]

Interestring chat about the SU-30. With regards to the 130 rounds for the 30mm canon I read that the pilot uses the IRST seeker for aiming the aerial target & it only needs 3-5 rounds to destroy the target.

[@RedTail1-1]

They can literally say anything they want about the capabilities of their weapons platforms. Like how their hypersonic missiles are unbeatable lol, or that the SU-57 is stealth and 5th gen, or all that crap about their "new" tank that can't even make it through a parade without breaking down.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

I mean that's cool, but wouldn't a radar still be more accurate as it actually gets 3d spatial information and target speed while the IRST is just picking up a 2D "image"?

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

There's a laser rangefinder

[@yolkiandeji7649]

I thought what Wombat was thinking was it was a six barrel cannon like American fighters so he’d only have 1 second of gunfire.

[@sparrowlt]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD the IRST in those has a laser rangefinder so it can know the distance preciselly

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

I believe the nozzles are typically angled outwards at 5° along the 0° plane, but are capable of swiveling 360° with a max deflection of 15°

[@ryzikx]

yellow sqadron wiped out by freedom plane (f22)

[@ryzikx]

what an edit bro 💀

[@ziepex7009]

lol what@@ryzikx

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

@@ryzikx yeah, sorry. The dangers of commenting before the end of the video. Long live Mobius 1!

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

Gonky is right

[@greatzoglo]

The gesture gonky made about thrust vectoring is very popular in Greece lol. Basicly means " I don't give a f&#@k" . Great show guys, always enjoy watching. Su-30 is a cool plane, rear visibility looks horrible from the back seat, should have had a bubble canopy. Russian helmets look very goofy.

[@thinhnguyenduy4099]

The tvc nozzles are canted like a V shape, they are 2D, not 3D, they can move 15 degs and canted at 30-32 ish degs as remember, so it has a bit of yaw control at high AoA, but because it is canted, the effective pitch control is around 10degs, compared to the F22 20 degs which gives the raptor better pitch control (i guess :v) but no yaw control, the yaw control is for the stabilators with some black magic Fly-by-wire.

[@cockatoo010]

I think it depends on the variant, right?

[@thinhnguyenduy4099]

@@cockatoo010 yeh, if you see a su30 without canards, it doesn’t have tvc,like the su30 mkii and the Venezuela version,

[@TymaDem]

@@zenithplyrzreg6405what's up with canard hate?

[@thinhnguyenduy4099]

@@TymaDem canards looks cool, better AoA, better slow speed performance, but a shit load of drag and weight.

[@thinhnguyenduy4099]

@@orestes1984 i thought the su30 sm doesnt have aesa radar, even the more advanced su35 doesn’t, only the su57 has. As i remember the Indian wanna upgrade their su30 with indigenous aesa.

[@Armoure10]

"The Su-30MKI's AL-31FP powerplant built on the earlier AL-31FU, adding two-plane thrust vectoring nozzles are mounted 32 degrees outward to longitudinal engine axis (i.e. in the horizontal plane) and can be deflected ±15 degrees in one plane. The canting allows the aircraft to produce both roll and yaw by vectoring each engine nozzle differently; this allows the aircraft to create thrust vectoring moments about all three rotational axes, pitch, yaw and roll. Engine thrust is adjusted via a conventional engine throttle lever as opposed to a strain-gauge engine control stick. The aircraft is controlled by a standard control stick. The pilot can activate a switch for performing difficult maneuvers; while this is enabled, the computer automatically determines the deflection angles of the swiveling nozzles and aerodynamic surfaces."

[@C76Caravan]

Regardless of capabilities, the Su-27 family to me is the most badass looking modern fighter jet.

[@DCS_World]

Gonky auditioning for a Referee job with @NFL with that thrust vectoring hand demo🙌🏾 It’ssssss Gooooood from 35 yards🤣

[@farhadzaman4707]

Su-30MKI/ MKM/ MKA/ SM (Russian Version) got the Bars Radar which is a PESA. Russian Navy recently received the Su-30SM2 variant with radar and engine from Su-35. (To reduce production and maintenance cost and improve performance).

[@joeshovel2]

Thrust vectoring hand signals were hilarious!! 🤣🤣

[@mbtenjoyer9487]

It’s a heavy fighter/multirole shouldn’t it be compared to a F-15 ?

[@oldgoat142]

Great intel on the jet but brother, did that convo go downhill quick when it started about thrust vectoring. De-generation-X anybody?😆 That was funny. This was great to watch. Thank you.

[@flippinnickelproductions298]

U guys are awesome 🇺🇸

[@Kman31ca]

Know what's interesting, this is just something I read from a UK article a couple years back. According to this article, the Typhoon actually tested out thrust vectoring nozzles on the Typhoon and they actually built a number of the nozzles in case in a future conflict if needed they can get them rolling out asap. P.S. Idk If I believe it, but hey, the internet never lies....

[@polkremm6399]

It’s V shape thrust vectoring.. meaning it can pitch up and down and also yaw .. when it wants to pitch up both nozzles point to the upper part of the v shape ( left engine points up and to the left, right engine up and to the right).. pitch down ( left engine nozzle points down and to the right, right engine down and to the left) when it wants to yaw to the right ( left engine nozzle points down and to the right and right engine points up and to the right) …V shape .. pretty cool Flcs

[@polkremm6399]

So pitch and yaw…that’s 3D

[@Hairysteed]

@@polkremm6399 Except it's not 3D because it _can't_ yaw. It only goes up and down but at an angle.

[@tirsofelipeduranmendoza5432]

Poor guy... he really had it hard, trying not to hurt them😂

[@Desire123ification]

The Su 30 is still a worthy opponent.

[@lukeunterkofler106]

The vectoring can do elevator, roll and rudder by the nozzles moving in an x and y axis

[@aaronsnatic2446]

I think Gonky must have "stepped in it" when it came to talking about the thrust vectoring 🤣🤣🤣

[@Hairysteed]

He says "only 150 rounds" while not realizing that 150 rounds at a rate of fire of 1800 rounds per minute lasts exactly as long as 500 rounds at 6000 rounds per minute with the Vulcan.

[@CWLemoine]

Sweet. It's still only 150 rounds.

[@raphaelambrosiuscosteau6685]

​@@CWLemoinestill the same amount of trigger time. Same amount of oomph. Those are 30 mills unlike 20 on vulcan. For comparison we can take a look at results of mk109 that germans used when it literally shredded fuselages and left nothing but insanely huge holes and was made to damage bombers in comparison to the same german 20 mils that acted more like 50s. I lost a lot of trust for you cause you don't want to go into details like this, because judging plane just by amount of "more boolets" shows low level of knowledge on the topic. Might as well just turn on TV at this point

[@blakecole501st]

also cannon is single barrel not minigun style so ammo does last a bit longer compared to minigun style 6 barrel 20mm f16, just in rate of fire

[@yinggoy6659]

Gonky should share his experience of going up against the SU-30 when he was with RMAF.

[@CWLemoine]

He did. On his channel.

[@moonasha]

and he has gopro footage of it

[@skagerstrom]

It's weird how they put so much emphasis on dogfighting, but gave it so little roof for ammo. I guess it's equally bad on all the Flankers?

[@LHGII]

My fav combat ace jet..next to the super hornet when I play

[@Fox3-Luck]

Great intel..

[@Dorimeme187]

J-10 and J-20 threat briefs when?

[@jerryle379]

Su30mk2v vietnam and venezuela , su30mkm malaysia , su30mk -mk2 china , su30mki india. The vietnam-vene-china mk2 are more air to ground ( for vietnam one more air to sea ) , indian and malaysia su-30 are more gucci variant and focus on air to air

[@MikeWest_W]

Mover how does the viper nozzle go? We need to know.

[@F22raptor46]

None of the Su-30s actually have an AESA radar. India is now developing their own homegrown SuperSukhoi upgrade which will include an Indian made AESA radar including a bunch of other stuff to maybe bring it on par with an F-15EX. But fun fact is, no Russian 4th gen fighter today has an AESA radar except for the Mig-35. And the Mig-35 is strictly for export and isn't even used by the Russians

[@jaek__]

The demonstration radar seen at several airshows for the MiG-35 have the incorrect amount of TRM's for a true AESA so it's likely its still under strict development. Likewise with the SU-57 and the plan to upgrade the SU-35's Irbis-E PESA to AESA's but that seems to be a ways away for Russia's military industrial complex at the moment.

[@jaek__]

@@BBCRF Not really no. There are no orders for it and currently it's flying with the ZHUK-M, there is no confirmed orders, deliveries or evidence to suggest Russia has developed and is using a full featured AESA radar. The MiG-35 is dead in the water.

[@INOD-2]

Why is there no info in the description box about how to buy Gonky's books, besides Mover's and WOMBAT's? Gonky isn't going to sell any if he doesn't promote them, or let Mover and WOMBAT tell us about them if he doesn't want to.

[@CWLemoine]

Gonky’s stuff is on his channel.

[@DOGosaurus_rex]

all jokes aside that flanker's thrust vectoring system is only in pitch right?

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

It is 2d but works in pitch And yaw thx to the tilt

[@phill5917]

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Wrong, Its 3D, Pitch roll and yaw.

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

Aha, whatever

[@jg3000]

SU 30 MKI is a beast.

[@speedyginger2219]

Idc if Flanker's are good or not, they are so sexy

[@toolmakerdave5287]

gonk don't take that crap. LOL

[@nicblank09]

😂 😂 😂 😂 hilarious you guys are funny asf

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

My parents said they'd get me a type rating for Christmas.

[@aviation-action]

You giving threat briefs now????

[@ProKr3w]

Su-57 next??

[@christosswc]

Baby Face Gonky: The only adult in the room

[@ZESAUCEBOSS]

Gonky has good technique.

[@PATRIOT_Acronym69420]

No AESA on Su-30’s.

[@darwinhoop7930]

I think Su-30 nozzles are both north-south and east-west (vertical and horizontal), where the F-22 is just north-south. The Su-35 and Su-57 are full circumference rotation (360 degrees). Russians also have the 360 nozzles available for latest MiG-29, possibly for the MiG-35 (export version of latest 29). See also the MiG-29 OVT demos for performance.

[@crusty251]

little OT... any inside info on today's shootdown of a Turkish drone? Was it fat Amy or a Viper?

[@FORTUNE.TELLER99]

Su30MKi is a russian fighter with french, Israeli and russian accessories and missile and what makes it stand out is with that brahmos missile.

[@death_parade]

SuperSukhoi upgrade is what will make it stand out. Indian AESA radar, DC-MAWS, IRST, EW suite and Mission Computer. Indian AESA jammers, BVRAAM, Indo-Israeli data link, British WVRAAM. Would be the best Su-30 variant by far. And eventually, it'll be pared up with those Indian MUMT CATS systems that are being developed right now. Interesting times ahead.

[@FORTUNE.TELLER99]

​@@death_paradeWe are taking about the present not the future . We have been talking about super sukhoi from Russia and then india centric upgrade but maximum things still on paper so let's have the upgrade then talk.

[@FORTUNE.TELLER99]

​@@death_paradeYou seem the fortune teller not me. 😂

[@death_parade]

@@FORTUNE.TELLER99 😂 Sukhoi _kundli_

[@jamiegoodman2995]

Did he get DEI on us with “2 men I dont like that?”

[@CWLemoine]

No.

[@jg3000]

IRBIS radar will be handed down to Russian SU 30s. But only after SU 35 gets it's AESA. Which will be SU 57's radar.

[@matsv201]

Generaly, its true for pretty much all USSR originated military equipment. The hard stats are usualy quite good, the soft stats are usually a lot worse. Thrust is good, payload is good, thrust to wight is decent, top speed is good, range is... well decent But looking at the softer parameters, empty weight 18 tons, that is not great, size, well its enormous, fuel burn is also very high, and it have a large maintenance trail. While its not that much worse than a F14, F14 is 22 years older. It was actually closer to retiering than entering service when Su 30 come around. While Su 30 kinematic is great.. there is a issue. High kinematics aircraft was push to the front during Vietnam war becasue that beyond line of sight missiles didn´t work as well as expected, so US airforce was pulled into kinematic fights where planes like F104 was out turned. This really resulted in 2 things. Better kinematics, but also better beyond line of sight weaponry. And this is not only the missiles, but the whole combat system with awacs, radar and everything, and lots and lots of red vs blue training. This turned out to work. There been very few engagement in anger in real life where kinematics was the actually important factor. Its may not be unimportant, but its not the main importance. Russia is still in the sort of late Vietnam war mindset. They have had a lot of problem with long range missiles engaging there own aircraft's. The issue that Russia do is that they are really not doing much of red vs blue training. And well that is mostly true for China as well. China did some red vs blue training with some of there Asian neighbors back a few years and the result was catastrophic and they needed to redesign most of J20. This might be an actuall issue for the west, becasue this push J20 from being sort of a propaganda aircraft to something that might actually be half decent.

[@matsv201]

@@death_parade yea.. that is certainly possibly. Personally I'm more woried about how fast the eqipment get better. Quality of pilots will always go up and down. But if they get good working eqipment that is interoperable, we might be in trubble. Still, it's worth saying that we in the west is pretty much beoned stealth alreddy. That is if the enemy have stealth that is no problem to us but our stealth will still be a problem for russia and China for a few more years.

[@death_parade]

@@matsv201 West is comfortable. You guys don't live in this region. Us Asians are in the firing line if Xi goes ape$hit. Here in India, the stupid Government continues to sit on the files for funding release of our own 5th gen prototypes, even though the design has completed critical review. Meanwhile, Chinese are belching out almost a 100 J-20 per year (or will soon get there). Our only saving grace is that we have good quality pilots and we have a geographical advantage with the positioning of our airbases.

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

Your grace are your nukes

[@death_parade]

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t We have a no-first use policy on nukes. So we can't threaten to go nuclear if the Chinese are about to, say, breach Spanggur Gap or overrun Depsang Plains. Heck, we can't point nukes even if Chinese somehow manage to reach Leh or cross Tawang.

[@zeitgeistx5239]

@@death_paradewell at least the Indian nationalist outted himself. Why are you commenting on a American website on an American video? Shouldn’t you be posting on VK glorifying Russia? Or are you busy like the BJP calling for death is all Muslims and Christians in India? You know the stuff you don’t want Americans to know about. Why are Hindus persecuting Christians?

[@josephbargo5024]

I keep thinking wombat is AJ Hawk

[@CWLemoine]

Who’s Pat McAfee? 🤔

[@barrygreen553]

Has Gonky been raving?

[@jeffreyspinner9720]

I'll be very interested in your analysis of the F16's performance in the Ukraine after a few weeks in when the old airframes outdated passed useful life lawn dart everywhere. How can the F16s even operate from West to East Ukraine without tankers and those will never stay in the air longer than 5 mins if they don't rise above 1,000 ft? I don't understand even the exercise of giving the Ukrainians the aged out airframes except to field test the AI that has never lost a combat sortie against a human pilot at least in the sims. That would be interesting and the only purpose a non-aviator can think of...

[@cristiangonzalez761]

Jajaa gonky 😂

[@BenTrem42]

Doing comparison -30 and -35. Does transition from multi-role to air superiority indicate a trend? kzbin.info/www/bejne/omjYaWuQmp55bKM p.s. Was just spidering Rafale F4. *_Solid!_*

[@muazazman3999]

The Malaysian MKM uses PESA

[@Mgaming61]

most if not all Su-30s use PESA. Only the J-16 has AESA

[@death_parade]

@@Mgaming61 Su-30MKI about to get its AESA, Indian MoD cleared the program.

[@Mgaming61]

@@death_parade I don't know about that, but currently only J-16 is the only Su-30 lookalike that has AESA

[@Archer89201]

Imagine Russia was allowed to join NATO, a Flanker with top notch western AESA and Meteors!!!

[@boejiden7093]

Thats what India is trying to do. With their indigenous radar integrated with the Meteor’s software.

[@INOD-2]

NATO exists to protect other North Atlantic countries FROM Russia.

[@TymaDem]

I think the world would have been a much better place if russians could have thrown their imperialistic ambitions into a bin and acted normally. But it is what it is

[@jameskaye4847]

Don’t make fun of Gonky he’s trying his best!

[@TheNatestEver]

Such a sexy aircraft.

[@posmoo9790]

the new su-30m2 the russians are building themselves has that same huge PESA Ibris that they put on the su-35 - not as good as the AN/APG-83 going on the new vipers but functionally good enough against other 4/4.5 gen fighters. I think they have the same effective range as the 83 AESA. It's not clear they have the r37-m strapped on as of yet. they were delivered a batch this past December apparently.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

"Commi units of range". OK, maybe I lack sence of humour, but this gets me on. Most of the world, including parts of former British empire, uses metric units and there is nothing communist about it! And only Russians are wierd enought to use it in aviation.

[@CWLemoine]

Russians, Chinese, and North Koreans.

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

USA crashed an explorer on Mars because 2 labs (East coast and West coast) worked together on the matter. One was using metric system one was using imperial system. Both got mixed together 😂

[@internetrules8522]

units from the country that landed people on the moon, or units from every other country?

[@Kman31ca]

Oh chill. I'm Canadian and we use Commie units too. lol Difference is I don't get offended when someone cracks a jk about it. I think they should call this the complaint section rather than comment section. And if anyone has the right to bitch about imperial versus standard it's us Canadians. As I have to buy tools in both metric, standard for most of my tools as the US is our biggest trading partner. Thing is I love tools and I need them for my line of works so it gives me a chance to buy more. lol Yes, it's a vice.

[@Andy_Novosad]

​@@internetrules8522 Contrary to urban myth, NASA did use the metric system for the Apollo Moon landings. Metric units were used for arguably the most critical part of the missions - the calculations that were carried out by the Lunar Module’s onboard Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC) during the computer-controlled phases of the spacecraft’s descent to the surface of the Moon, and for the journey of the Ascent stage of the craft during its return to lunar orbit, where it would rendezvous with the Command and Service Module (CSM). Suck it up, Muricans!😂

[@RedTail1-1]

All they keep doing is modifying the SU-27 and calling it a "new" aircraft...

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

I think you should be reminded about F-15EX And 18 block III

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@user-qn3xu5ee3t They still carry the 15 and 18 designations. Kinda proving our point there for us.

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

Do names make Aircraft younger? Those names are changed for marketing reasons, US did the same when it tried to sell F-16s to india

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Are you kidding me? The US openly advertises its products as the SAME model, but with an upgrade. The "marketing reasons" is literally pretending that they aren't upgrades to get more sales. You're missing the point with the F-21. Lockheed isn't marketing for sales. They're playing up India's ego. It's the Indian model so they want to call it something different because it's theirs. And Lockheed still sells F-16s to other countries. Because nobody else cares about the name.

[@singatakberpura]

The problem with american planes is they were late to the game with IRST

[@romeosagdulaev8963]

Перевод в студию 😂

[@springbloom5940]

Watching these guys try to explain thrust vectoring, reminds me of all the 'hEs A fIgHtEr PiLoT' qualifiers UFO nuts throw out as validation. Like they engineered the planes they fly, or something. FM, guys. Thrust vectoring is FM.

[@CWLemoine]

Thanks?

[@springbloom5940]

@@CWLemoine Sure

[@springbloom5940]

@@CWLemoine Im sure you know what I mean. The argument is always 'A *(((fighter pilot)))* saw something they can't explain, therefore it violates the laws of physics'

[@CWLemoine]

I've said that multiple times with the tic tac videos. There is no "UFO" training.

[@irenefitzkee535]

I like hearing about other fighters. I forget that other countries also have fighters. I guess I’m so American that I think we are the only ones that have bad ass fighters.

[@singatakberpura]

Real unbias 😂

[@jasonlastname129]

His hand motion explained it perfectly they're just boomers

[@CWLemoine]

Who?

[@Rob1972Gem]

For God sake, how hard is it to say the SU 30 3D vectoring nozzles, unlike the F-22 which only vectors up and down. I wasn’t hard was it for supposably qualified people with brains, not hard and the SU 30 is a very comparable aircraft. I don’t know why they always take the piss out of the pilots that would be flying these aircraft. I am all for supporting your own country but don’t completely disrespect others in a real dogfight. The majority of pilots will have a bloody hard time up close with one of these aircraft and it probably would not end well for an F-15 or F 18, or possibly even an F-16

[@CWLemoine]

The real question is why are you taking it so personally? Relax, it's just a discussion. Gonky has literally fought against the SU-30 in an F/A-18. No one is "taking the piss out of" anything.

[@michaeld1170]

First off, its not 3D TVC, The Su-30s use a 2D TVC nozzle that pitches up and down in a V shape pattern hence the hand gestures Gonky used. The only aircraft with full 3D TVC are McDonnell Douglas F-15 ACTIVE (experimental) Mitsubishi X-2 (experimental) McDonnell Douglas F-18 HARV (experimental) General Dynamics F-16 VISTA (experimental) Rockwell-MBB X-31 (experimental) Chengdu J-10B TVC testbed (experimental) MiG-29OVT Sukhoi Su-37 Sukhoi Su-35S Sukhoi Su-57 so relax, do some more research then come back when you actually know the facts

[@Mgaming61]

@@michaeld1170 wait, F-15 ACTIVE(experimental) has/had 3D TVC nozzles? As far I saw it looked like the one's from F-22

[@michaeld1170]

@@Mgaming61 According to official NASA publications, it did "A full envelope database of a thrust-vectoring axisymmetric nozzle performance for the Pratt & Whitney Pitch/Yaw Balance Beam Nozzle (P/YBBN) is being developed using the F-15 Advanced Control Technology for Integrated Vehicles (ACTIVE) aircraft" ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19980228162

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

Su-35s and 57 have 2d, not 3d tvc

[@jg3000]

IRBIS radar will be handed down to Russian SU 30s. But only after SU 35 gets it's AESA. Which will be SU 57's radar.