Three Battlestar Ships You Missed

[@Spacedock]

JAMES HIBBERT ARTSTATION: www.artstation.com/bookman

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

*Dr. J Hibbert laugh* - Really good!

[@thewestwinger3855]

The video thumbnail says BSC not BSG

[@Wolf-wy8br]

Have you read the "Lords of Kobol" series of novels online? I found them a week ago and read them this last week. I really enjoyed them and if you love Battlestar and enjoy reading then I encourage you to read them.

[@KJAkk]

What about the ship class with the disk shaped superstructure and large side pods seen in the far left and uppermost right of this screenshot of Blood and Chrome? It looks like it is in between the Galactica and the Demeter is size, it makes me think of a cruiser scale counterpart to the Galactica's battleship scale hull. media.battlestarwiki.org/images/d/d7/Battlestar_Galactica_-_Blood_And_Chrome_Appearence.png

[@sastrei]

@@KJAkk That's a Loki/Cyclops type support cruiser. It's about 2/3 the length of a Battlestar, and is basically a huge mobile resupply and repair structure.

[@Midnight.Shadows]

"Ships you missed" in general would be a pretty cool recurring video series.

[@Ninjaalienzombiebrin]

EC Henry has some star wars missed ships videos.

[@crashstudi0s]

Video of Spacedock: Ok, nice About BSG: *HEAVY BREATHING*

[@zzygyy]

Nerdgasms incoming

[@LightSightTCR]

All this has happened before...

[@efraim3364]

so say we all

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

...and they have a plan

[@psammiad]

The Alert looks like a civilian freighter that's had a flight pod bolted onto it, which would make sense during a war.

[@glitterboy2098]

it does. and it has basically the same hull as the hornet, suggesting the Hornet and the Alert were probably both the same class of ship originally, and they were both refitted to different degrees. my impression is that the Hornet would be a patrol craft of some sort.. it has guns for actually fighting cylons, and can operate a bunch of raptors. while i suspect the Alert would be the BSG equivalent of a inflight refueling tanker.. a ship with a landing pod where raptors ansd vipers can come in, land, get fueled up and rearmed quickly, then fly off.

[@artbrann]

another thing is it might be a mini supply factory, with the ability to guard itself, again converted but still we know from Blood and Chrome and the Deadlock expansion that the Ghost Fleet was supposed to be secret, you can't have a cargo train jumping supplies to your secret fleet(some traitorous person might notice) the Galactica could make munitions from asteroids(there is the ep where someone is sabotaging the ammo production), but are you going to dedicate a secret battlestar to munching rocks? when you can convert a cargo hauler and scale it enough to supply more than just 1 ship

[@BattleUnit3]

The First and second appear to be somewhat similar like a standard hull that was modified (like the different classes of frigates in Halo) which makes sense if you are in a war you would like to streamline ship construction as much as possible

[@GhoulishGlee]

The Alert looks like the Flight Pod might have actually been retroffited sometime after the initial launch. Maybe adding a carrier role to a dedicated dreadnaught.

[@stephenjdutton]

The first two designs look to me as if they have been converted from the same basic ship, perhaps an upgraded civilian design or an obsolete warship class taken out of reserve and broguht up to date with whatever modern weaponry was available.

[@Tyr666Thor]

The "Bridge" on the first ship could be a flight control deck rther than the main bridge.

[@Vespuchian]

Alternative explanation for the Hornet’s windows: it might not be the bridge, could be the flight operations centre, which would want eyeballs on launch/landing from the flight deck.

[@mrgideon666]

Nice, always down for more Galactica content!

[@WitheredHeath]

I actually like the design of the Alert. I’d like to think that the flight deck could be one of many modules that could be easily detached in orbit or on the surface. With a small group of these, you could quickly dispatch and deploy a small forward base including a command and surveillance hub, logistics, housing, fighter support, what have you. I am not well versed enough in BSG lore, but that sort of technology would be incredibly advantageous in a world where resources are limited.

[@jacenvila3962]

We totally need all of these ships in Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock! Including the Orion battlestar.

[@xXd3m0lXx]

Space junkyard commander to Alert captain -Sir we have that flight pod from scrapped battlestar.. -Good, good. Weld it to my ship!

[@kpmh2001]

This is a neat idea, there’s plenty of background ships in sci-fi that deserve a closer look, and B&C is full of em’

[@FreeFallingAir]

Yes, I love ANYTHING involving the Galactica universe!! I liked the Demeter alot!! Wish it got screen time. Great video, I cant get enough of this content!

[@ClassicMagicMan]

3:29 "...may be somewhat of a tactical weakness..." doesn't matter, I'm in love with it lol

[@PhileasLiebmann]

These are fracking amazing. Especially the Hornet. I love these kind of submarine style frames.

[@murphinators7589]

I get a very Star Wars vibe from the first ship. It looks a little like a small strike carrier developed off the Gozanti or something.

[@pollall2793]

I can kind of see that actually.

[@CTXSLPR]

The Demeter looks like a Typhoon SSBN got turned into a Battlestar with the beavertail over the secondary engines, the prominent sail structure of the bridge and the twin hulls.

[@jamesharding3459]

CTXSLPR I didn’t see that at first, but I quite agree.

[@sirpercarde709]

Churchill tank model for the front....

[@Keurosaur]

Damn the Hornet and the Demeter are GORGEOUS. Also the Hornet, for some reason, looks like a heavily converted civilian model to me. Like some kind of luxury liner with a hanger for personal craft or shuttles, that was gutted and stuffed full of guns. This might be supported by the shared design motifs with the rather more overtly converted-looking Alert, but also that windowed command deck (and the general ship shape, particularly the engine layout) reminds me of Colonial One somewhat; plus those fanned wings look very non-military.

[@Femerenden]

These three look like repurposed ships, especially the first two. Mining or cargo vessels pushed into service after modifications. Fits the theme.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

The second ship looks a lot like a civilian ship that was converted. Up gunned and armored, with a flight pod added, either from a surplus, or repurposed from a destroyed ship.

[@RayImpastato]

Not that it's a negative necessarily, but these look really heavily kitbashed from other familiar bits.

[@MrGoesBoom]

Was just thinking the same thing, especially the second ship

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Honestly in some ways that can make them look more authentic military designs. It seems logical to me that at a time of total warfare streamlining production is sensible. I am always reminded of the Royal Engineers combat engineering vehicles and how they use the hull and running gear of the current or previous generation Main battle tank as the base of their engineer combat support vehicles. This reduces the burden on the logistics of sourcing spare parts as well as training personal to operate and service the vehicles. In short I can totally see the Colonial Fleet commissioning variations sharing the same component parts as its easier for shipyards to build fewer types of components in higher volume.

[@autumngottlieb3071]

@@MediumRareOpinions The thought of "streamlining production" got me thinking of Mass Effect, where for a given species, the ships are usually of the same basic shape, but at different scales. I wonder if, in universe, this is done so that less time and resources are spent designing ships, leaving more time and resources to the actual production of ships.

[@Lukos0036]

That first ship you show looks like something from Star Wars. It wouldn't seem out of place in a rebel fleet launching A-Wings or recovering escape pods post battle.

[@jamesharding3459]

I’m a simple man. I see a new Spacedock video, I click like. Your content is uniformly excellent, we’d love it if you continue to put out videos.

[@Cailus3542]

The first two designs really do catch my eye. They don’t look like warships at all, but rather converted civilian ships. It makes perfect sense, really. Perhaps the flight pods are built to be modular so the Colonies build a dozen or so spares, intending to swap out a battlestar’s flight pods when they suffer serious damage so that the battlestars spend less time in the yards. Wartime experience proves this wrong, though, as the battlestars’ flight pods prove remarkably resilient, and so the Colonial Fleet has a bunch of flight pods stored in orbit of Picon. Some bright spark realises that they can use the flight pods to transform civilian passenger liners into light carriers, capable of deploying Viper and Raptor squadrons to situations that don’t warrant a full battlestar. It fits real world experience too. HMS Vanguard used twenty year old 380mm guns rather than have brand new larger guns be built. Britain’s industry was heavily taxed during WW2 so it ultimately proved more economical to simply fit Vanguard with the older guns, especially since the weapons had performed so well when used by HMS Hood and the Queen Elizabeth-class battleships like HMS Warspite.

[@johninglis7903]

I love ships that have sloped angles. Makes them look sturdy yet quick.

[@leokeatonn]

Do you think you could ever cover the ships of EVE Online? I'd like to hear your opinions on them

[@chelonianegghead274]

Yes please, that would be awesome!

[@Fliuck]

He did a minmatar ship ages ago

[@danielpapscun354]

Seconding this!

[@whee38]

That could be difficult because of how modular the ships of Eve are. While the only ship guidebook I know of has all the frigates, Almost everything can be upgraded or replaced and the chosen guns don't even come equipped

[@saraphys5555]

The Demeter looks like the Macross Daedalus II-class assault ship, just with the Command stations moved from the rear to the mid-forward section... it even has the extended forward sections for ramming an enemy ship to shoot a ships internals.

[@joeottsoulbikes415]

Maybe that second ship can retract the flight pod a bit for a smaller profile and jump. Having the pod extend out would also give landing/launching ships more clearances from the engines when approaching/leaving from the rear.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

i like the alert class, the thin center allows for extra gun mounts maybe adding new arcs for point defense

[@ryderlynch2281]

Neat video. Do you think you would ever do something similar with ships from The Sojourn? Like Centrum Assembly destroyers, cruisers, etc?

[@gokbay3057]

Would be cool

[@7inviere]

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[@greybuckleton]

The second ship is definately using a yatchs keel as inspiration, and also makes for a somewhat believable, strap a military flight deck to a civilian ship design.

[@haydenbliesner2247]

The Alert has a radial engine and cowling on it's stern, not a ships propeller but good use of props.

[@Straswa]

Very interesting ship designs, I gotta check out Battlestar Galactica now.

[@thehatred94]

if i could get this in deadlock, i'd sure love it...i'm impressed, there's a lot more to galactica than what i'd thought, i'd even thought that some ships in deadlock where not canon

[@davidhollenbeck9227]

The Hornet was in Serenity called a bowcaster or something like that. It was a model they took from BSG to fill out the space battle in the movie

[@benjackson8731]

The second one makes me think of a retrofit. The flight pod and the engines look tacked on with the propeller you mentioned and the holes around it being the original civilian engines

[@bobiojimbo]

The Alert, the pod looks like a late addition or some sort of modular attachment, similar to the US Navy's modular LCS program. Like how the first 2 look like they were made by the same manufacturer.

[@alexcamacho1842]

I remember reading something somewhere where someone theorized that the Hornet’s hangar was for rapid intake of ammunition after it was expended in a fight, due to the relatively high number of guns it possesses.

[@Boki10]

The first ship looks like the converted aircraft carriers from the inter war period and the start of ww2, the second ship will look way better without the flight pod like a true battleship. Also can you do a video on the air carriers from the show Caprica?

[@jaredstultz944]

I would like to see the uss Argo from Godzilla king of the monsters 2019

[@briankriens5645]

I'd love it if the Hornet had been in Deadlock. I really would love to see more from BSG-Deadlock. They could do a whole "ALTERNATIVE 2nd CYLON WAR" story that I would love to see.

[@timrobinson513]

You should always have the flight pods away from the main body. This has many tactical advantages over an inbuilt design.

[@edwardteach3000]

Like what?

[@timrobinson513]

@@edwardteach3000 1 it provides a bottleneck to prevent attackers getting into the rest of the ship 2 modular design is easier to build and repair and can be sealed off when damaged. 3 it lets the ship be lighter... The enemy have a choice where to attack. The pods are lightly armoured but they don't affect the survivability of the ship only the fighting capacity, the body is critical but heavily armoured so would take longer to destroy and it can still launch fighters and remain operational effective. Without flight pods, everything would be as one and the whole ship would be covered in armour which would make it slower less maneuverable etc. 4 it keeps the fighter wings independent so are not affected by the opposite side. 5 easier to land craft. That's all I can think of so far. What do you think of my reasoning?

[@NineWorldsFromDrew]

Hey Spacedock! Would you consider doing a video where you talk through what aspects and details you would personally include, in designing a “living ship”, or biological space vessel? I’d like to know if you’ve got any particularly unique or original ideas, or what you think incorporates the best look for such a ship, from examples we already have, such as Moya from Farscape, Shadow and Vorlon ships from Babylon 5, the Undine / Species 8472 ships from Star Trek : Voyager, and the Reapers from Mass Effect.

[@walterwillis5351]

Very nice work.

[@baskkev7459]

lol 2nd ship is a very different....dude its a kitbash of the first one and some more pannels + flight pod...( love your videos btw)

[@michaelmajewski8796]

What about the Nova class battlestar? See R.A Keeton's BSG Promeheus. It was signed off by Ronald D. Moore, Glen Larson, and the late Richard Hatch. If that doesn't make it cannon...

[@datastorm75]

Blood and Chrome would have been an awesome series. Sigh...

[@sastrei]

I HAVE WAITED SO LONG. THANK YOU.

[@rdgk1se3019]

@4:56 The Demeter class looks like something from the book....."Space Base 2000".

[@xploslvable]

the three ship look like two Orion Class - Pocket Battlestar put together side -by -side

[@ironwolf4977]

the top section of the Demeter reminds me of a mobile Dry Dock style looks of them.

[@Lightman0359]

The first ship reminds me of the McKenna class battleship from Battletech [at least the pewter model of it] especially in the engine units and split prow. Its nowhere a match, but they look like they could be in the same fleet. Kinda like how the BC303 Prometheus and BC 304 Daedalus from Stargate could hide in a colonial fleet with no objection if they drop shields and don't have Asgard upgrades.

[@GoingRampant92]

Oh man a dual hulled battlestar would have been so cool. I love the Demeter, It almost looks like an armored zeppelin. Edit: or some sorta crazy submarine carrier.

[@iamtheZanewrestling1review]

hey spacedock love your video great work.i like to know can you guys make a video on the 1973 tv series (the starlost) and it's multi-generational starship called Earthship Ark? i think it would be a cool video to make.

[@jamesrsmith8558]

the guy is wicked talented. Here is his 2014 demo reel (WIP) from his site (youtube linked). It starts off with a Blood and Chrome fly through and tere is even a fourth ship in there. Smaller, 3 engines 1 main and one on either side pushed out from the main body on wings or some kind of out rigger. He has it in a few places in his site. Any Idea what this is?

[@williamfreigang9072]

Not sure if it's Canon, but the Sobek/Theseus class Battlestar might be nice to see, or possibly the Nova and the Cetus class

[@TheDownrankTrain]

The fact that Blood and Chrome wasn't picked up is a robbery

[@deven6518]

These smaller ships are fast and agile. Possibly they have fly-by-wire capabilities. Bob and weave is a difficult thing to pull off if there's only dradis and grids. The dropped down flight pod does appear to be retractable.

[@arko09]

We need them for BSG: Deadlock and the Eaglemoss starships collection!

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Ok, saw this video, immediately watched Blood and Steel, came right back here. Bazang! What a miss to not pick that up!

[@youtubevoice1050]

That flight pod on ship 2 makes no sense. There's simply no point in increasing the distance between crew compartments and hangar like that and reduce accessibility at the same time. It merely makes it less efficient and requires more resources to build.

[@artbrann]

it makes sense, if it is a conversion we converted this cargo freighter, to be a escort carrier(tho straight on the hull might be better) or if as another person said, they are swappable and linkable mission specific pods, hanger, sensors, cargo, habitat you could even jury rig a base out of a sensor pod, a hanger pod and a habitat pod

[@casbot71]

If you look at the Alert from behind you see the lower main hull starts to flare down at around the same point the flight pods main body starts. It would have been relatively simple to exaggerate the main hulls downward bulge and have the flight pod integrated into the hull and still have a through deck, the only issue being that fighters are closer to the hull at launch and retrieval. Another option would have been to just extend the hull armour to cover the extension of the mounts for the pod encompassing the actual pod, removing that weak point and giving extra space for fighter storage and supplies. And for the Hornet, that flight deck has a ridiculous structure in those braces at either side, where a armoured shroud extending all the way to the nose would be better protected (unless ships are left there to fly out sideways?). So in light of those design shortcomings that wouldn't exist if a ship was built from the ground up, and that they both have the same lower hull configuration, it's reasonable to guess that they are conversions of possibly civilian ships.

[@hailhydra749]

Cant wait to see these in BSG Deadlock!

[@owenlagger]

The Demeter looks a lot like the Atlas from BSG Deadlock to me

[@briankriens5645]

I'd love to see a modern Cylon Basestar modified to have the firepower of a Mercury. The all missile thing is just stupid tactically. And the microwarp thing is nice, but when you know they are going to do it it's pretty easy to plan for.

[@jamesnicholls9969]

the first two seemed to be a variation on a ship class. have a basic frame and add modules for whatever is needed

[@Specter5053]

The Alert strikes me as something that was supposed to be a civilian vessel, like some kind of star liner, and then right before it was finished they got an order to retrofit it to be a war ship, but they were rushed and just strapped some guns and the hanger pot underneath and pushed it out the door. It would be nice if deadlock had a feature to have some emergency civilian refit ships that are super cheap but mostly suck because they aren't purpose built for combat and it would be a sort of random grab bag of what you could get I terms of what shape the hull is, the weapons load out, and weather it has fighter squadrons and ordinance launchers. No way it could be implied in a timely manner, but it would give that rag tag feeling to your fleet.

[@Boskov01]

Would love to see some of these put into BSG Deadlock.

[@sparrowlt]

the Orion class and also the demetrius both seemed to have a command deck with windows and actually they didnt.. those are either some short of navigational bridge or some observation deck.. Reminds me of the B5 Hyperion class cruiser wich has a prominent and exposed bridge with a window wich is outside the main hull but thats not the CIC / command center.. wich is actually buried well inside the ship and that exposed bridge was said to be a navigation / observation bridge..not used in combat

[@FolgoreCZ]

2:34 "We have the Alert, which is a very different and unique design." Dude, it's literally the same same ship as the Hornet without the cutouts for the flight deck and weapons.

[@jamesharding3459]

FolgoreCZ Seems a little bit odd, I agree.

[@jdewitt]

Hey Daniel, is it just me or does the command deck of the Hornet, with those rectangular windows, look like it was taken almost directly from a shuttle from the original 1970's series? My eyes went right to that as a very familiar shape!

[@Mobius_118]

The Demeter looks like what you get if you slap the Berzerk's flight deck into the middle of an Orion.

[@nunya3163]

The first two ships are the same ship. They took the first ship, removed the wings, put some plating over the hanger bay, and launch areas, and then put the pod on the bottom.

[@stephenbond1990]

Can you do the adamant frigate or arachne cruiser from battlestar galactica deadlock please?

[@Bill23799]

Thanks. Blood and Chrome would have made a great series.

[@davidedens6353]

Good video but I was hoping for things like the Gabriel Kroenger constitution they snuck into the fleet in the original mini series

[@kennethbedwell5188]

The Alert strikes me as a very vulnerable ship. The flight pod is easily damaged or blowen off. I can see this easily been the most hated assignment to be on.

[@ThatBloodraven0145]

Keep this Bsg stuff coming.

[@captainsinclair7954]

Less than a year later, the Ghost Fleet Initiative is coming to Deadlock. It’s a good day

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you

[@Lightray110]

I hope Eaglemoss add ALL OF THESE to their Battlestar Galactia model line.

[@stolasburrito74656]

Can you do one on the “Astral Queen” I believe that it was also slightly armed, if I remember correctly

[@mogytamas2]

Hey Daniel! Orion is now in the game :D Would you have thought? :D Are you planning on a review on it? Love the vids you are making! Keep it up ;)

[@AdamSmith-kq6ys]

A question - those two ports on the bow of the Hornet and Alert classes - might those not serve as Viper launch tunnels? They seem to have a fair bit of structure aft of them in both cases, so I'm not sure...

[@blazerocker1734]

The Alert to me seems like either a rescue and recovery ship or a prototype hybrid ship that was once either a cruiser or destroyer. I feel that the flight pod should have been flipped upside down in this case but that's just my preference for streamlining and that's of less importance in space.

[@beezzarro]

It bugs me a bit that the alert's flight deck isn't flipped topside-down. We know that that is a convention in the bag universe. It just seems like it would be more efficient and could've been more aesthetically pleasing

[@robertcbarry]

I’m making this comment as I watch 2:14 I have a theory as well regarding the visible flight deck on the Hornet (And I believe your correct it would certainly fit in the Cruiser Class, I lean towards Light Cruiser myself). Supposing the indentations on the port and starboard are not launch tubes but perhaps ordinance launch bays or perhaps a form of broadside artillery. What if the forward flight deck is in fact for the recovery and temporary housing of Viper’s and Raptor’s whose home vessels were destroyed in battle? If you think about it, this can make some strategic sense if not tactical; burdening say a Carrier vessel with additional squadrons it is unprepared to take on can place a strain on crew efficiency and morale, nevermind the integration problems it creates for the CAG of the receiving vessel 2:37 Supposing the Alert is meant as a forward reconnaissance vessel serving in the Tertiary Battle Line as a Picket Ship and the flight deck is meant solely for Raptor deployment as Raptor’s would be able to land on a shorter flight deck more easily

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

I mean, "HORNET" is written on the side of the thing. If it showed on even a single shot, it's canon.

[@MisterWileyOne]

Those "wings" look like Stargates F-302

[@Battlestargroup]

Demeter looks a bit like a stripped down version of the Atlas Carrier from BSG Deadlock

[@Seth90]

The second ship looks more like a civilian vessel witch had a flight pod added when it was commandeered.

[@shannonmcvey8669]

I can't entirely agree on the Hornet being "Non canon". She may not have been named, but she was SHOWN, however briefly. You can see her in the bottom right corner of the screen at time frame 31:01

[@dtester]

Not sure how different and unique the Alert is when it appears to shares the same frame as the Hornet...an the launch bay looks to be taken from the existing Battlestars from the show.

[@MisterWileyOne]

The Alert is the BSG-universe escort carrier

[@stephenbond1990]

Can you do some of the other blood and chrome ships?

[@diapason89]

There was a Demeter in Sin and Sacrifice, but it was a Jupiter.

[@sevi117]

For me the third one looks more like an armoured carrier and would be a nice successor for the atlas in Deathlock. A more agile, lighter carrier that need less resources than the Atlas while having a great fighter wing for its size. Similar to the atlas fighter wings. As the war advances, the colonial would need a resuply of carriers because they would be losing the aging and out of production atlas (remember that the atlas is a huge design from the old imperial wars) and the battlestars would prove to be too expensive and slow to build. The answer would be that third design. The second... Its strange. That windows size makes me think that the ship is smaller than it looks and with all that artillery at the midsection... Maybe a heavy flack support ship? Focused on maintain a heavy flack screen trying to shield the fleet from the endless cylon fighter wawes and missile barrages while being able to do heavy artillery fire if you give it a break from the missile and raider attacks. About the second one I still don't know what to think.

[@dylanhoare8203]

I think in BSG if it has wing and is smaller then a Battle star it probly can land