Top Five Sci-Fi Frigates

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[@Frankforsthoevel]

ehm... Star Trek showed the Yamato a Galaxy Class right in Front of the Enterprise D.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

Spacedock I swear, if you didn't have the Corvette class frigate in the list, I would have been very upset. 😅 Speaking of upset, if money is tight, is there a way to get this bonus in the future as a special exception?

[@marcosbravo9645]

Ma boi munificent didn't appear, I'm straight up not having a good time.

[@Chino56751]

I like 343'S redesign. They're great

[@cmdrgarbage1895]

Bro, you forgot the munificent

[@MrAshleyR]

"As starfleet tripped over it's pacifism for the 900th time" This times 8000.

[@TybrosionMojito]

@@guerrillaentrepreneur5999 They could REALLY use some advice from the UNSC lol

[@guerrillaentrepreneur5999]

@@TybrosionMojito I agree..........

[@norad_clips]

What a wonderful quote!

[@casbot71]

What if they only pretend to be pacifist, and even hide it from their own personel? *_"Whoa"_* -Ted Logan. They always just seem to have that vital technological development or a few spare ships they can muster to just snatch victory at the last minute. _They're faking it!_ There's a whole bunch of advanced warships they keep hidden and dole out as required. "Oh the Dominion is getting closer… here's another Defiant class, and another. Oh look, we just so happen to have a spare." Enterprise gets destroyed: "What a coincidence, we have a brand new better ship just ready to take it's place". The buggers have time travel, they're able to go ahead and see what is _just_ needed to scrape through. They fine tune it. Look at the odds, that many last minute saves means a fix is in. If a team kept winning match after match with a last second field goal, the bookies would be suspicious.

[@hellishgrin4604]

Ahem... “IT’S OVER 9000!!!”

[@casbot71]

Martians cause confusion by calling a Frigate _Corvette class._ The Imperial Star _Destroyer_ *…"Hold my beer".*

[@PaiSAMSEN]

Dreadnought-class cruiser : "Hello?"

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@Loki_had_a_Medkit the point is that a "Star Destroyer" is a battleship of the line, not a destroyer. As destroyer=escort, skirmish and screening role.

[@Galvars]

@@PaiSAMSEN Frankly speaking, "dreadnought" was never a true ship classification, It was still a battleship. And "Dreadnought" was just a name.

[@derpimusmaximus8815]

@@SonsOfLorgar Except that in current naval terminology (and as would have been current as of the filming of Star Wars), a destroyer is the primary surface combat vessel of all blue-water navies.

[@caityreads8070]

@@derpimusmaximus8815 Okay, but the name 'imperial star' class doesn't make sense, coupled with the fact that everyone calls them 'star destroyers' colloquially in the movies. It's very obvious that a Star Destroyer, like a Battlestar, is a ship type.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Ah yes, the lancer frigate. Their most-practical and realistically-effective anti-Rebel ship just happened to be the Orkiest in design. This is VERY amusing.

[@lordbalthosadinferni4384]

MOAR DAKKAAAAA

[@joshmorton3392]

"I'm not including the weird 343 redesigns." -Spacedock, 2019 Good man.

[@joshmorton3392]

I think you mean the Strident-class, the Stalwart was the frigate in Halo 2. TBH, I think that the UNSC lost the plot after the war, though a lot of that is down to 343 being bad when it comes to writing lore in general.

[@ratchet2505]

Have you seen the new ones that they've done? Mix of the old and new. (the ones that the infinity drops off)

[@joshmorton3392]

@@ratchet2505 Yeah, the stridents. Not the best looking frigate design, though I think it could have worked if scaled up into a destroyer or light cruiser. Classes where it would have made sense for them to be. The USNC has way too many frigate classes.

[@VegetaLF7]

@Rising Horizon Gaming The problem is they changed the class of the Forward Unto Dawn herself. I'm fine with them replacing the Stalwart/Paris/Charon class frigates with the Stridents, shows that the UNSC fleet has upgraded since the Covenant war, but the Dawn was already shown as a Charon-class frigate and they arbitrarily changed her to the Strident-class, just like they changed Master Chief's MJOLNIR Mk.VI to the same style as the Spartan-IV's suits, even though Cortana had no access to the IV designs at the time or she would have alerted the Infinity to come and rescue them. Have the new frigates be Stridents and the new Spartans have MJOLNIR Mk.VI Gen II suits, but keep the Chief and the Dawn in the Halo 3 styles until Chief rejoins the UNSC aboard the Infinity.

[@VegetaLF7]

@Shadowfox 5481 Except the new suit is *exactly* the same as the Gen-II suits the Spartan IV's wear. Also changing the Dawn for that is a terrible excuse. Don't change the ship design simply to add a feature that wasn't there before, use what was there before creatively. There is nothing in the Dawn's arsenal beyond the MAC cannon, currently missing at that point, that could seriously harm a Covenant ship. That's why the Dawn, when fully intact, *ran* from the space battle over the Ark and hid on the surface while the Elites fought the Brutes in orbit.

[@LoneWolf20213]

I love the halo Frigate, it seem'd awsome in it's own right

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

It also kind of look like a gun make sense since it build around a rail gun one the coolest ship in sci-fi

[@commanderknight9314]

Actually a MAC is a coilgun not a railgun. Different operating principles.

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@commanderknight9314 why not utilize both in one ship I wonder, what could go wrong

[@uss_04]

Homeworld ion frigates have the same premise. Ion cannon with a hull wrapped around it. Considering how the UNSC needed as many guns in space as possible. Dunno if majority of frigs are rated for atmo. Think Dubbo commented in Halo 3 asking if the Dawn was rated for atmo

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@uss_04 okay, but what if they were a bit more like the covenant and had solid slug projectile coil and rail gun's as the main weapon's, and using plasma weapon's as a secondary function for close-range/ point defense weapons

[@parallaxgames]

I'm not really sure I agree with the idea of the Star Trek thing and the hero ship. TOS had several episodes featuring not just one but several other Constitutions, TNG used the Yamato, DS9 used the Valiant and then the Sao Paulo, and Enterprise used the Columbia a lot.

[@NineWorldsFromDrew]

parallaxgames Thankyou! I’ve made a similar comment above, in more detail - also accounting for an intrepid-class ship showing up in a DS9 episode 👍

[@artembentsionov]

At the risk of earning the wrath of DIS-dissers, Discovery also showed the main ship’s sister vessel Glenn, although they had to blow her up, leaving just the Discovery. No USS Crossfield either, breaking the naming convention.

[@admiralsquatbar127]

The Odessey in DS9 as well numerous other galaxy class ships. And DS9 had a sister station.

[@chrislord1640]

Ah you beat me to it. Wish i had read down. Also I forgot the Valiant! Likewise we also saw the USS Glen in Disco which is a crossfield class.

[@stofsk]

Daniel is referring to how Star Trek in the TNG era refused to use say, the Constitution class as background starships (other than once in Best of Both Worlds pt2) and later on, refused to use the Sovereign class Enterprise-E or even just another Sovvie during DS9. Stuff like that came from Rick Berman IIRC.

[@HexAyed]

"The Grafton is dust! We need to get out of here, now!" - Carter-A259

Addison Cooke they didn't do there math 😂

[@rndmstrngr468]

The best part about the Adamant is that even though it’s one of the first ships you unlock, it’s still a viable unit well into the endgame. My standard fleet configurations for most of the campaign always had a flight or two of Adamants, usually escorting either Artemis or Jupiter class battlestars. Very nicely balanced little machine. :D

[@TheNewsDepot]

Babylon 5 disproved the hero ship nonsense a long time ago. The most they ever did to differentiate Sheridan's ships was to give White Star One a B5 logo.

[@adrastos8401]

They also have some really cool frigates in the canon B5Wars supplements. That I personally would put in my list of favorite frigates.

[@theonlymatthew.l]

Actually that was White Star #2 LOL

[@Jokie155]

Top Five Battlecruisers next? Still waiting for the Blake's 7 Liberator to get some long overdue love.

[@masterSageHarpuia]

i wonder if he would consider the starcaft battlecruisers in that video.

[@casbot71]

A _Blake's 7_ ship series, the Liberator deserves its own episode since it had so much tech that was unique in that IP. And there's a lot of source material, even a guidebook/manual. Then a episode on the other major ships, the Federation Pursuit ships they had different marks, Scorpio, Servalan's ship, any others? The Liberator was my favourite childhood ship, *had* the small diecast model. Along with a large Eagle that could drop it's centre module and had shocks in its legs, that iconic ship needs a long episode. *_Had… …_*

[@strangelee4400]

Scorpio?

[@Perkelenaattori]

D-7 would win.

[@StarBornMichael]

Hope the Preator gets show off in that video.

[@LOBricksAndSecrets]

"Amun Ra" "Moment in the sun" I see what you did there.

[@artembentsionov]

All hail Ra, may he reign forever, or until Ego and Ultron blow him up.

[@hellishgrin4604]

Word of advice, don’t let your browser autocorrect to “Morrigan expansion” when searching for “Morrigan The Expanse”!

[@fadelsukoco3092]

That's why I always put the name of the IP before the specific thing I want to search

[@hellishgrin4604]

Fadel Sukoco Rule 34 man, nothing is safe!

[@LazyBuddyBan]

LMAO

[@AlvorReal]

Frankly, I think how sprawling and bloated the Imperial Fleet was is accurate to a galaxy spanning empire. You had MILLIONS of ship designers and MILLIONS of ship builders. I can see them making hundred upon hundreds of different classes of ships.

[@FreeFallingAir]

The Adamant is absolutely gorgeous! They definitely nailed the aesthetics of the show

[@adamantu]

Are you sure about that Star Trek rule? Because there are notable exeptions. The USS Constellation in "TOS Doomsday Machine", the USS Excalibur in "TOS The Ultimate Computer", the USS Yamato in two Episodes of TNG and the Columbia in several episodes of ENT. All ships of the same class as the " heroship" and featured longer and more prominent than the Karakum in The Expanse

[@artembentsionov]

Glenn in DIS.

[@adamantu]

@@artembentsionov true, had forgotten that one. Thanks

[@MrMeldonius]

Also Valiant in DS9 and there were some Galaxy-class ships in DS9

[@adamantu]

@@MrMeldonius True, but the Galaxy ones weren't actually shown along with the Enterprise D, so that doesn't count. Or we had to include every time an Excelsior-class was shown as well. But with the Valiant you are right

[@davidlewis5312]

and that's putting aside the series that did long before. SG Atlantis with the Daedalus and Apollo doing some tandem 304 ass whooping. A whole fleet of White Stars in Babylon 5.

[@edg3818]

Never noticed before but the side profile of the Halo, Paris class frigate looks like a sci-fi rifle. The bridge is the gun scope, the elevator the grip, the aft end the gun stock l, and obviously the forend of the ship looks like the muzzle. Really cool!

[@BattleshipAgincourt]

What about the Nebulan-B frigate? It was amongst the best of its weight class in Star Wars and often used as command ships for small fleets on both sides. It was also an unconventional ship design and very popular within the SW universe.

[@nidleglor9072]

Good video Spacedock as always, also you can do a video about the most common propulsion systems in sci-fi, like ion drives in Star Wars, Impulse Drives in Star Trek etc

[@Airwave2k2]

Didn't he had one on the Epstein Drive? Also one on the K-F Drive out of the Battletech/Mechwarrior IP would be great to see.

[@RXdash78]

I'd love for them to do a video about how hyperdrives and warp drives are now actual scientific concepts....but ones that the series that named them do not use. Hyperdrives are supposed to require going into an alternate dimension where you can move faster. Disney retconned hyperdrives into the ship going really fast. Halo uses hyper drives, as does warhammer. Warp drives supposedly fold space to move the ship. Like Event Horizon was supposed to. But that's not how it works in star trek. Star trek uses mass effect rules where a field is created around the ship to make it lighter, thus allowing them to cheat past relativity.

[@TheVargr]

9:27 100% agree. The Morrigan is my favourite Expanse ship also

[@jonashemmingsson7301]

Adamant definitely deserves its place in this list. A great looking (and deceptively capable) design which was perfectly implemented in terms of lore.

[@Hammerheadcruiser]

Yes, adore the adamant. It's a fantastic ship, both in design and during combat.

[@chrismarshall7131]

One minor detail on the New Orleans? In addition to changing the windows and letter box, the saucer and engineering hull are from different scale Ertl Galaxy class kits, which makes the saucer larger in scale to its engineering hull.

[@casbot71]

The Lancer Frigate, the ship that could have saved the Empire… - Change my mind. It could have even defeated plot armour if used as the standard escort in numbers.

[@SkywalkerWroc]

As Rey proved: Nothing can defeat plot armor.

[@tba113]

If memory serves, it was a _good_ ship, but it had some limitations in-universe that kept it from being a truly _great_ one. Granted, they are the premier anti-fighter platform in the galaxy, and really shine when they can stick to that role, but no design is without limits and compromises, and the Lancer's were kind of glaring. They were kind of slow for something designed to chase starfighters, which meant any kind of strung-out convoy could see Lancers get out of position quickly. They were also rather big at 250m long, which made them a turbolaser magnet for enemy capital ships. Between their advanced targeting sensors, fire control computers, and large crew complement, Lancers are expensive to run, too. Could they have saved the Empire? Eh, probably not on their own. Their criminal under-use of Lancers is a symptom of larger problems infecting the Empire: for all their limitations, they were well-designed ships eminently suited for dealing with a fighter-heavy enemy, so it was largely a mix of inefficient bureaucracy, personal vendettas among the Admiralty, and organizational inertia working against projects like the Lancer (and TIE Defender) that would have made the Imperial Fleet more effective.

[@Seraphil1]

The Lancer is ridiculously overrated.

[@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406]

Homeworld 2 Ion Frigate SHOOOOOP DA WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

I always loved the look of the Ion Arrays myself, wich are essentially just Kusari raider ion frigates. Oooooh wait wait! The Kadeshi multi beam ion frigates you meet in the nebula, theyre just gorgeous!

[@artembentsionov]

The Homeworld series has plenty of cool frigates. I like the Dervish multi-beam frigates from Cataclysm. Likely inspired by the Kadeshi design.

[@SolidSnakePlissken108]

Homeworld is kinda misrepresented here.. maybe he never stumbled upon it which is a shame if that's the case. Easily in my top 5 sci fi of all time.

[@B0M0A0K]

Great video, HOWEVER! How on earth can you miss out any of the frigates in Homeworld? Most of those a thing of beauty (with the exception of the ones that were infected in Cataclysm). HOMEWORLD!

[@ebenitez2011]

Lol “the Federation had tripped over their pacifism for the 950th time”… Truer words were never spoken.

[@saturnv2419]

The reason why I love Expanse design is that no other Sci-Fi works incorporate artificial gravity in the same way as Expanse, or rather in the correct way as Expanse. All other designs gave the impression of a modern day maritime ship just flying in space, while Expanse truly build in that solid spaceship architecture in all of its design.

[@artembentsionov]

A proper ships without artificial gravity would likely put the floor towards the engines to provide some gravity during acceleration and braking (assuming the ship flips over to decelerate). I believe that’s the case with dreadnoughts in Mass Effect since they’re not meant to land on planets.

[@saturnv2419]

Artem Bentsionov I think it depends on which faction dreadnaught you are referring to. Most of them still looks like maritime ship though.

[@SkywalkerWroc]

No other? Forgot about Babylon 5. Shame on you.

[@tostie3110]

It is understandable with things like mass effect and halo, where they belong in shooter games already known for ship combat in space.

[@philrimmer1452]

I don't get what you meant about the Star Trek hero ships, they always showed different ships of the same class. The original series showed like 5 different Constitution classes, TNG showed the Yamato twice, Enterprise had the Columbia and even Discovery showed the Glenn.

[@nick5661]

Phil Rimmer there’s also the valiant and other defiant class seen after the dominion take ds9, it’s not common but you do see other types of hero class ships often.

[@NineWorldsFromDrew]

Phil Rimmer Thankyou! I’ve made a similar comment above, in more detail - also accounting for an intrepid-class ship showing up in a DS9 episode 👍

[@VegetaLF7]

Agreed. It's mainly the movies that follow the "no duplicated hero ship" rule. Trek on TV had plenty of duplicates if you looked for them.

[@themetalstickman]

You even see Admiral Ross's flagship, the Intrepid-class USS Bellopheron. Sure, it wasn't on Voyager, but it's a hero ship duplication nonetheless.

[@arlia101]

Can't get enough of these videos, and especially love the behind-the-scenes insights like your role in Expanse designs/lore and the Deadlock shout-outs. But, how could Homeworld get missed here? The Ion Cannon frigates, though nameless and expendable, are iconic, visually delightful, and essential to the campaign :)

[@scytheseven9173]

Star Trek showed other Constitution-class ships in TOS, like the USS Constellation in The Doomsday Machine.

[@adamkenway7308]

And TNG had other galaxy class ships in the first few seasons at least.

[@cmdrgarbage1895]

@@adamkenway7308 The Yamato

[@liljenborg2517]

I like the frigate designs from Homeworld. Enough beam frigates could burn down just about anything but a fighter swarm.

[@DrownedInExile]

That was only in the original Homeworld. Subsequent games, including the remastered HW sadly nerfed fighters such that they wouldn't do evasive maneuvers when attacking.

[@artembentsionov]

Multi-beam frigates in Cataclysm can shred fighter swarms

[@SkywalkerWroc]

Homeworld had some of the best frigates in sci-fi. It feels very weird not having any of them on the list, and instead some frigate from an obscure game wins? Such a weird choice.

[@uss_04]

03:40 that picture on that background basically makes it look like theres a cutout to be used as a rifle. Wonder if that lengthy lower portion is meant to be used as a magazine for the MAC.

[@seantaylor2683]

At 3:55 it's labelled as "Main Loading Elevator"

[@tgagaming3104]

Yea it's for carrying Vehicles and Cargo

[@michaelneufeld4492]

I too love the Rocinante, but you also called it one of your top five corvettes, and now you're classifying it as a frigate. Also, We've seen in the show that only a handful of people can operate it, yet it holds its own against ships with much larger crews, and Holden even calls it a warship. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely an instant classic in ship design, but doesn't it fall into the "ship that can do everything trope"?

[@draco84oz]

From a nomenclature standpoint, it kinda fills the role of both. During the Age of Sail, a corvette was a light warship designed for patrols and small engagements, and a Frigate was the next step up from a corvette, although it was more capable of working in a fleet setting as an escort and flank guard. In each case, however, a Corvette would generally lose to a Frigate in a fight, and a Frigate would be hashed by a Ship of the Line. Both types were revived during WWII as convoy escorts, although the Corvette was eventually superseded by the Frigate due to range and speed issues. The Corvette-Class can work as both a light patrol vessel and warship (although the Morrigan-Class is probably more suited to the patrol role), but given that the Donnager-Class can carry them as escort vessels more puts them into a Frigate role.

[@TheVargr]

@@draco84oz Well the Morrigan-class Patrol Destroyer isn't really an actual Destroyer but a slightly better armed Patrol Torpedo Boat. Other destroyers in the Expanse novels are always much larger and more heavily armed including keel-mounted railguns. The Morrigan seems heavily suited for patroling shipping lanes and performing inspections than for full military actions against hostile fleets

[@lawfulcrib4285]

It's a corvette class frigate I say it can be on both lists

[@SkywalkerWroc]

"ship that can do everything trope" is called "hero ship" and he used the expression a number of times in the video.

[@pierre-mariecaulliez6285]

Homeworld, Multi-Beam Frigate. One chassis with as many ion canons as you can cram into it, pointing all directions. It crushes fighters, it eats corvets, it beats fellow frigates, and a couple of them can easily punch above their weight class.

[@jrosa__]

Regarding ship design The Expanse/MCRN and Babylon 5Earth Force FTW always.

[@DEEZ_N4T]

A little thing I noticed in the Halo universe is how the technology changed after the war, like example the Muslanne-class frigate is a frigate made after the war, the design is based on the Paris-class heavy frigate but since humanity know’s their MAC guns aren’t very effective against warships, they instead replaced it with a reversed engineered covenant laser weapon this also meant that the under part is removed since they could probably place the battery on where the MAC gun used to be and then the central area that splits between the lower and upper deck is now where the laser comes out. This type of Frigate is meant to support Autumn-class and Strident-class warships. They disable the shields with laser fire and the bigger ships use their MACs

[@ethanlynch908]

Glad you put in the Paris Class, beautifully iconic design.

[@florbengorben7651]

I can't help but adore the scene in Halo reach when the frigate in atmosphere gets absolutely beaned by a covenant corvette. Crazy scene.

[@florbengorben7651]

@Shadowfox 5481 ok yeah that makes sense because I remember the ship being absolutely massive and that didn't make sense being called a Corvette

[@ppenmudera4687]

8:31 Star Trek did show the 'hero-ship-class' sometimes though. In early TNG we saw the USS Yamato, a Galaxy class. In Voyager we saw (future) LaForge commanding a Galaxy class. Not to mention, we saw hundreds of Galaxy class ships in the Dominion War. We've also seen another Defiant class (with those arrogant ensigns). Not sure about the Constitution class; been too long. The Intrepid class was shown in DS9 I believe, in s7 ep16. But yeah, except for the Galaxy class, the hero ships are quite rare.

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

why do I feel like the USS Yamato is like the real thing that being it was created due to corruption

[@brains4845]

A great video man but I would argue one thing, and I imagine a few others have done it as well, but Star Trek did show other ships of the same class on screen across pretty much all the shows. There was several occasions in TOS where one or more Constitution class vessels were on screen, TNG showed another Galaxy class in the USS Yamato, DS9 had multiple Galaxys, Defiants and one Intrepid onscreen, Enterprise had the Enterprise and Columbia bumping into each other alot in season 4 and Discovery had another Crossfield class show up early on.

[@themeddite2935]

The most Iconic ships in Halo are the Frigates the Halberd and the Spirit of Fire. Those are the ships I think of when Halo comed to mind

[@finaldarkfire]

Great list! Glad to see the Paris-class represented. Probably my personal all-time favorite Frigate design. Also, shout-out to Red vs. Blue Season 10 for prominently featuring a Paris-class as a sort-of Hero Ship with a really great looking model and an awesome name ('Mother of Invention')

[@VegetaLF7]

Plus a great use of the Halberd-class Destroyer as the Mother of Invention's nemesis, the Staff of Charon.

[@AeronHale]

I use a New Orleans in STO. It's such a sweetheart. Flies great, plenty of firepower, and stupidly strong shields.

[@pozgaming4665]

Nice! What do you call her? I command an Ambassador-class cruiser, USS Lansdowne (NCC-26486)

[@AeronHale]

U.S.S. Starblind After the Iron Maiden song.

[@pozgaming4665]

@@AeronHale Lansdowne approves

[@AeronHale]

Most of my ships are named after songs.

[@pozgaming4665]

@@AeronHale Most of mine have some historical background. For instance, Lansdowne is named after a WWII Gleaves-class destroyer, DD-486. My Nebula-class ship, Chennault, is named after a U.S. Air Force general. My Defiant, Clarence K. Bronson, is named after a WWII Fletcher-class destroyer

[@Norrie_Rugger]

Star Trek TOS: The Ultimate Computer had 5 Constitution Class ships. Doomsday Weapon had 2. The Tholian Web has the Enterprise and Defiant TNG: Where Silence has Lease had a fake USS Yamato while Contagion has the real Yamato DS9: Don't think it had more than one Defiant class on screen at anyone time but there were 4 ships of that design at least in the show. Defiant, Valiant, São Paulo, Mirror Defiant Voyager: Makes sense to only have one Intrepid. It was alone. Enterprise: First of its class but was shadowed by a future version in Season 3's "E2" and Colombia in season 4

[@Husker5454]

YAY i was really sad that i was not seeing the adamant in spots 5-2 but when i saw it in number 1 i was so happy :D . i knew you liked this ship and i love it too.

[@4Leka]

I always thought of the Adamant as a mini-Galactica. Such a nice and well-fitting design. Another favorite of mine that gets too little love is the Atlas carrier. As a dedicated carrier, escorted by Adamant frigates Minotaur gunships, it makes a lot more sense as a fleet's central ship than a jack-of-all-trades battlestar. Without Deadlock's fleet size caps I would make the Atlas and Adamant the mainstay of every fleet, to be supported by other specialist ships as necessary.

[@artembentsionov]

Check out the game Nexus: The Jupiter Incident for some cool ship designs. One feature I like is that there are no weapons that fire only forward (except the siege laser, but that one’s special). Instead, turrets are spread out all over the hull, and ships will rotate to bring them to bear. You’ll probably like the Earth designs with rotating sections, main drives on both bow and stern (so you don’t have to flip over to slow down), thrusters firing off to change direction, and weapons usage: kinetics to damage hull, lasers to disable or destroy subsystems, and limited missiles/torpedoes for artillery shots. Native Earth ships don’t have shields, but most others do, so they have “energy shells” to bring down shields before kinetics and lasers come into play. Fighters are laser fodder unless you manage to disable the enemy flak grid first.

[@Escherichia2003]

"Where the frick is the Rocina... ah... there it is" *calms down*

[@kazenorilg5436]

Really enjoyed listening to the piece on the Adamant while I was dumpstering a Saggitaron Adamant with 100 Viper MkII.

[@Fuhque13]

Love your content man just have to call you out on the Star Trek hero ship thing. Conny's where everywhere in TOS. You see the Yamato in TNG and, the Odyssey in DS9 while TNG was still airing, as well as the Belleraphon on DS9 while Voyager was airing.

[@AdamG1983]

"Tripped over it's pacifism" OOF...too accurate

[@patricklioneljonson2747]

We all know that the average Warhammer 40k Frigate can annihilate other sci-fi fleets in whole.

[@Valiguss]

Patrick Murphy see I would agree with you but then I thought about how effective tau railguns are against the imperium and well the UNSC have huge railguns as the main part of their ship

[@tanwenwalters7689]

That really depends on the verse and faction in question. The UNSC would be fucked, with the exception of ODPs and the Infinity, their MACs don't have a high enough yield to even matter to tau ships. Meanwhile, the Culture, let alone big names like Daleks and Xeelee, would steamroll even fully awake Necrons.

[@hammer1349]

@@tanwenwalters7689 Daleks seem to have a serious weakness vs energy weapons. For the most part necrons use particle weapons and so the daleks wouldn't stand much of a chance. The larger necron ships can also drain and destroy stars on a whim for energy supply

[@kineticdeath]

6:50 they called it the "corvette" class because who doesnt like a corvette, even hundreds of years in the future a corvette stingray is still awesome!

[@leokeatonn]

Really excited to see this video!

[@nefariousgremlin7554]

Nice to see the New Orleans getting some well deserved love

[@Gist432]

The Martian Corvette Class Light Frigtate is simply beautiful, and it has real coffee...

[@brentc2411]

I'm pretty sure the Lancer Class is in RotJ as a background ship during the Falcon flyby before the fleet jumps.

[@Galvars]

I'm afraid you are wrong. There had been some very low quality ships in the background on Fleet in jump scene but none of them was Lancer.

[@christophergillette7167]

Fully agree about everything you said about the Lancer and the Raider Corvette

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

"The Corvette class is my second-favourite ship in The Expanse behind the one I made" - Daniel, 2019 (paraphrased).

[@gentugo]

When I saw Aliens, I thought of the Sulaco as looking like a giant rifle also. It is cool to see that others thought that too.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

I thought the same!

[@Matrix2Strata017]

How did Homeworld not make the list? Giant Banana floating through space anyone? But I do think Homeworld got some really nice ships. All Salvage Corvettes launch!

[@TastySanchez]

You really should do stuff from Homeworld and Freespace

[@BH-qf2pw]

Dude. I complete agree about the Morrigan ship. I love it and it reminds me of a muscle car, like a dodge challenger. I also like #2 and #3.

[@devinfaux6987]

Nitpick: when summarizing the New Orleans, you list the torpedo pods as "2 ventral and 1 dorsal," when it should in fact be the other way around -- 2 dorsal and 1 ventral.

[@nateryan8167]

Love to see Battlestar Galactica ships hands down my favorite science fiction series with the expanse as a close second and Expeditionary Force as my third

[@TheFreakedoutduck]

Sees Spacedock fawning over BSG:DL once again. Goes to get the garden hose again.

[@darthXreven]

knocks garden hose out of your hands

[@zamnodorszk7898]

Love bsg:dl

[@darthXreven]

@@zamnodorszk7898 I haven't played it yet but it's on my list....

[@DrownedInExile]

Spacedock also fawns over the Expanse. Just saying.

[@darthXreven]

@@DrownedInExile Expanse more than deserves the attention....Disney and CBS and Paramount have failed us with SW and Star Trek, time to move on but don't be too loud about it, keep expanse in yeor heart and watch but don't be too loud in your praise cus the SJW's will ruin it if they hear our praise for something that's actually good and respects and trusts it's audience

[@hammer1349]

Love all the halo unsc frigates. Charon marine frigate, Paris, stalwart, hermes light carrier frigate. As for the adamant, I remember having a brief time playing deadlock and I spammed these things to great effect

[@ADivineFellow]

I broke out laughing when he said gravametric space gentlemen, lmao 🤣

[@oleksii685]

Great video as always. However, I must say, my heart jumped for a moment when I saw New Orleans frigate name. I thought for a second that you might bring in some not-so-known IP in the fray (Dropfleet/Dropzone Commander in this case), but no - it's Star Trek again. Well, maybe someday...

[@moosepocalypse6500]

I happen to love the Excelsior class... My ship in Star Trek Online, USS Gadolin is Excelsior class. The Excelsiors are just a great looking, solid, reliable design and I love that they use them so much... As for the "hero ship" thing the original Star Trek had several episodes with other Constitution class star ships. The ultimate computer, the Doomsday Machine, the Omega Glory... Next Generation had a few appearances of the Yamato, another Galaxy class star ship in the early seasons including Where Silence has Lease...

[@NineWorldsFromDrew]

Not sure what you mean by that rule, in Trek. I mean, I get what you’re saying. But to all intents and purposes, I believe this “rule” was broken by every single Trek series: TOS - USS Constellation and Defiant, both appear as Constitution-class vessels in scenes with the Enterprise. TNG - USS Yamato appears in “Where Silence Has Lease”; admittedly as an illusion. But that illusion still shared FX scenes with the Enterprise-D. DS9 - Although only the USS Valiant applies, in this case, it couldn’t have been said to “confuse” viewers, when it was destroyed in its eponymous episode. VOY - No other Intrepid-class vessels appear in the series. HOWEVER, one could remark that the appearance of the USS Bellerophon, in the DS9 episode “Inta Arma Enim Silent Leges”, might have risked “confusing” people who watched both shows at the time. But it didn’t. ENT - Only the Columbia NX-02 applies, here. And of course, it specifically shared scenes with the Enterprise after its launch for purely dramatic effect. DSC - The USS Glenn was very deliberately included, as the “sister ship” of the Discovery, not long after Discovery first shows up. In conclusion, I don’t think showrunners in ANY iteration of Star Trek were as worried about “confusing audiences” as you’re claiming. Yes, appearances of identical class vessels were rare; I believe any responsible world-builder would want to show that Starfleet had a diverse range of ships, in all of these eras - even as also one gets to reap the benefit of using duplicate assets and sets, when such ships do appear. But respectfully, I believe this idea that showrunners “wanted to make each hero ship appear distinct and never show another vessel like it on screen” is nonsense. I hope I haven’t misunderstood you, there.

[@Zamun]

Thanks for the content.

[@briankriens5645]

Love the choices.

[@dkSilo]

Do you do EvE Online ships? Haven't seen anything. Just curious. Keep up the good work!

[@mortman200]

I don't think the Lancer Class ever featured in one of the X-Wing, Tie Fighter or Rogue Squadron games. It definitely showed up in the books but in the games it was always the Assassin Corvette, Nebulon B2 or they skipped it and went to the Dreadnought. EDIT: Forgot about X-Wing Alliance. It showed up there.

[@crashstudi0s]

The Adamant is not only one of the best looking frigates, is also one of the most efficient and effective ships in Deadlock, I still used them in the late game, and used in tandem with a good Battlestar and some rangers can do wonders

[@AridosUK]

what number is the Ion Cannon frigate from Homeworld 1? if its not in the top 5

[@JCIce007]

I don't think Trek isnearly as strict about "no doubles of the hero ship" as you suggest. The TOS Enterprise encountered Defiant, Constellation, Lexington and a few other Constitution-class ships. The Enterprise D hung out with the Yamato for a little bit in one episode. I think DS9 showed multiple Defiants in some of the big battles. The final season of Enterprise featured the NX-01 alongside the newly launches NX-02 Columbia.

[@sparrowlt]

there is a lot of footage and stuff going on a UNSC Frigate in Red vs Blue.. the UNSC Mother of Invention (including a fight against a Halbert class destroyer)

[@Alverant]

What's the difference between a frigate and a corvette? Have you ever considering doing a video about the different classes of ships and how they're different (corvette, frigate, destroyer, carrier, battleship, etc)?

[@brydon5721]

Star Trek had multiple episodes in TOS when other Constitution-Class ships were seen (including a 4-on-1 war game), TNG encountered the U.S.S. Yamato twice (as well as multiple sightings of the Galaxy-Class throughout the Dominion War), the Defiant was the first in a long line of warships, we even saw another Intrepid-Class being used as a diplomatic transport to Romulus during the Dominion War.

[@emmanuelmorris7653]

For its between the Normandy and the usnc frigate. Can you do ETA-5 from star wars?

[@StaK_1980]

"As the Federation tripped over it's pacifism for the 905th time" ... oh my BOI ! :-) yeah, spot on!

[@ryker4455]

I just happen to be playing Battlestar Galactica Deadlock when I put this video on. The Adamant is definitely a nice ship.

[@tonywalker3541]

I would like to give an honorable mention to the Kushan and Taidan assault frigates from the 1st Homeworld. Love those things.

[@arlia101]

Yes! Was missing Homeworld here :) Though, I'd give it to the Ion Frigate, just for its huge role in revolutionizing your fleets.

[@stevefelten1197]

I agree the adamant class frigate makes up the bulk of my fleets on dead lock..

[@RG-yt6wn]

Check out them Homeworld Frigate Space-frames. Gorgeous.

[@thewalkingforest5185]

I love how’s this is called a short but it’s longer than most of the recent videos

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you

[@stephenbutler4399]

I fully agree with you on the diligence that was applied to the Deadlock game ship designs, I own it, it's one of my favorite games and BSG is my fav of all sci-fi IPs, the ships that were put into the game are gorgeous and definitely carry over the design tendencies of both the colonials and the cylons, but the butchery that was done to the Jupiter class... NEEDS to be corrected... hahaha

[@cmdrgarbage1895]

Aren't we forgetting a honorable mention *atleast*? The Munificent Class???????

[@huntrovherobrin]

Although it is called a frigate, the purpose it serves is more along the lines of a light cruiser. If Spacedock disagrees, he probably just thought these five were better than the Munificent.

[@Galvars]

@@huntrovherobrin It is called a "Space Frigate"... I suppose it is a frigate just as "Star Destroyer" is a destroyer. Overall it is also classified as heavy cruiser. Typical absolute classification clusterfrak of SW.

[@darkwolf4434]

I think it counts as a heavy cruiser

[@spartan8899]

Funnily enough, the 343 Frigate redesign is a new class of UNSC Frigates. But I can agree on the weird design.

[@The21stPanzer]

My favorite frigate is the munificent-class star frigate from star wars, it has a good look and is very powerful for a frigate.

[@carlherkommer5834]

I really like your videos! Did you ever consider ships from the Homeworld games? I really liked some of those ships.. :)

[@thomasb1889]

Star Trek TOS had Constitution class cruisers on screen in least a couple of episodes. The Doomsday Machine is one and The Ultimate Computer is another. The Tholian Web is one more so three.

[@wun1gee]

Star Trek has shown the same class as the hero ship a few times. The Yamato in TNG was another Galaxy-class ship. The Odyssey was also Galaxy-class even though by that time TNG had ended. We've seen quite a few Galaxy-class ships. DS9 also gave us the Bellerophon, an Intrepid-class ship that was shown while Voyager was still airing. And of course the Valiant, another Defiant-class ship also seen in DS9. Enterprise showed the Enterprise and Columbia, two ships of the same class, onscreen at the same time in close formation. So yeah. Star Trek's given us the hero ship model as other ships numerous times. Sometimese onscreen at the same time, even.

[@harlankovacs6276]

Really like the Idris class frigate from Star Citizen (last version, not the old one),a long range frigate who can use a massive railgun and small ship bay. The fact the frigate protects it's own ship bay seamlessly in his fuselage is great for visual and strategy.The idris can perform atmospheric flight with 6 rotating VTOL Thrusters. The only weak point of the design of this ship is the bridge,who is above the top of the ship (connects by 3 arms+stairs/elevator).But still cool because of the great view and his own shield generator.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

I thought you weren’t using the voice again 😂

[@RogueBipolarDemon]

Right?

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

Ben/Raz for the intro officers club 😂

[@builder396]

@@twstf8905 Youll like Squire then.

[@sethwicks9125]

The best frigate by far was Cpt Kirk's original USS Enterprise constitution class frigate. It wasn't the flag ship of the Federation, just a good solid ship versatile and self-reliant.