Throt the Unclean Immortal Empires Campaign Review

[@XenomorphsWrath]

Hey Legen, thanks for the videos. The faction description helps with picking a new campaign, even when you already know all of them like me. Sometimes the burden of choice just is too much, and having someone else narrate the faction in a short video is nice to get some motivation going.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Do nkari 1 province campaign. Just vassalize all of your enemies and friends))

[@hoganshairline4175]

my favorite skaven lord. mutations really allow you to make a bunch of fun army comps if you are tired of weapons teams

[@JacobBite]

I've turned stormvermin into chosen, and it's truly a sight to behold

[@javicoca]

A have a couple questions. I played a few turns and didn't quite understand what happens when a unit gets over mutated. As far as I could tell, they worked fine in battle? Also, sometimes I could turn them into juice and sometimes not, what determines that?

[@Jummugest]

@@javicoca if you check their skills theirs one called instability.

[@Jummugest]

@@javicoca its reduced their health to a lower maximum when the battle starts. Pretty hefty debuff on paper but I’ve never noticed an effect or obvious loss from it.

[@hoganshairline4175]

@@javicoca Instability 1 = -10% Replenishment Instability 2 = -30% Replenishment Instability 3 = -60% Replenishment Instability 4 = -100% Replenishment + Passive Ability: "Explosive Instability" you probably could not juice a rat because you were either capped on the amount of juice or you were trying to juice a non mutated rat

[@areallystupidperson8106]

I've decided to do a real wierd start with Throt by giving all the territory outside of Hell Pit to Katarina to get her to be my ally. It's a fun little campaign, being the Rat Knight of the Tzarina. Plus, you get those really durable infantry of Kislev's for your front-line.

[@sir_vix]

Meanwhile Katarina keeps receiving multiple anonymous (anonymouse?) gifts of the painting 'Stay up late' (featured on last week tonight with John Oliver, google at your own discretion...) and feels super uncomfortable...

[@KasBunnyX3]

​@@sir_vix hot

[@toobin8r]

Call that the Nutcracker campaign

[@ates423]

Wait what you can do that?

[@pabloramos8067]

​@@ates423 Yeah, you get inmense + relationship bonus by giving away territories

[@TheRewasder97]

Create a Beast-Monster of Doom-Doom!

[@MrWaffles4ever]

Throt's campaign is really fun if you like to experiment a lot. It grew on me after playing it a few times. The depth of this faction mechanic is insane based solely on the amount of mutation/unit combination possibilities. You can even abuse the instability and maximise it on wolf rats to turn them into suicide bombers when combined with the stalk mutation. While the Eshin Shadowy dealings might indeed be potentially stronger than the Flesh Lab, I found it by far less fun. Fun fact: you can even apply mutations to your regiments of renown in case you like to use those (barring they aren't artillery/mechanical) The only thing I'm personally sad about in the DLC is that there are no Packmaster Lords with unique learnable traits/skills for monsters. I really like Rat Ogre armies and enjoy the way packmaster heroes and Throt speak. _Nnnnggghhh, hrrrr! Cannot eat snow!_ -Throt the Unclean

[@adamnowicki1425]

I am on about turn 110 on my Throt campaign VH/VH and few notes: - despite what Legend said I prefer Mutant Rat Ogres, before I continue I have to admit I save scummed the hell out of laboratory, that being said MRO have baseline 20%physical resist, you can increase it by 10% with lab, red skill line gives another 10% ("at rank7" skill) and if you have enough mutations you get 10% ward save on top of that, if you turn them undead with lab, they have double regen while in meele - 0.1 from undead/hunger mutation, 0.1 from packmasters around (you should really have some in the army), MRO are bit slower than Brood Horrors but smack way harder and are super tough - what I failed to do in my campaign is to steal necromancer, my undead allies don't have necros, even after end game crisis hit they didn't have any :( I wanted to steal necromancer to have healer for my undead MRO's, but that's excessive anyways - chieftan heroes are quite OK in monster armies, they are pretty strong heroes and they get a mount, and while on this mount (and only then) they count as "clan moulder unit" for the purpose of Throt's healing ability/packmasters ability

[@KorsAir1987]

An undead mutant rat ogre doomstack with a necromancer is very, very interesting...

[@adamnowicki1425]

@@KorsAir1987 there are some other creative things you can get, confed Queek/Craventail, make undead stormvermins and put corpse cart into army Corpse cart is too slow for Mutant Rat Ogre army so I haven't tried it and for some reason they don't recruit heroes at all :(

[@dweebjohnson]

I dont like MRO. They are considerably slower, with BH you can go even for mutation to give them missile resist and they will still be fast. You can effectivelly cyclocharge with them, and most importantly, they have natural regen. 20% resist is nothing, because damage output of just 10 BH is soo much, that you can have two teams one on standby with regen, one in melee and it will still wreck chaos in enemy lines. Also with that speed you can outmanuever almost all armies. They also have much better animation, so in combat they are more effective.

[@arathain2]

My Chieftains have been doing good work in my Throt campaign. Anti-large on a hero is very nice when a lot of the Kislevites come in on bears.

[@sokar_rostau]

Steal a Necromancer? WTF are you talking about??

[@Goldmasterflex]

Legend! Hope you are well, I remember when you were live almost every day, you got me through some really hard times. Thank you for all you do man. Cheers

[@lodrik13]

Love this series, would love to see a review of Durthu!

[@indrickboreale7381]

The best-greatest Skaven faction for Stormvermin spamming, yes-yes!

[@brianf2878]

I don't know where to put this comment, since all your videos are really helpful to me. I can't express the satisfaction I just experienced with Skarbrand attacking Karak Eight Peaks. Broke down the gate with Skarbrand and a hero on a blood shrine, ran right to the main cap point and won. I could never have done that before you, so thank you! Cheese for the cheese god!

[@itzahoax934]

No matter how far back you go, legend has his negatives to say about CA and design choices. But when they nail it, he will absolutely tell you. They nailed it with a few of the skaven lords. Best campaigns by far maybe only tied or second to the tomb kings dlc stuff.

[@lodrik13]

Once you finished this series, do you think you might still do a seperate LL Rating Video like you did in WH2? Would be interesting to see how the ratings might have changed, if any managed to become a 10/10

[@Silent-Samurai]

This could be a two or even three parts thing. With all the LL we have right now.

[@riley_028]

@@Silent-Samurai Yeah, I think that would work very well in three parts, one part for the lords from each game

[@Balthasar_Gelt]

Yeah that would be geat

[@lodrik13]

@@Silent-Samurai Sorry, I didnt mean like all in one video, I meant one video per LL, like he did for WH2! Would be tons of "free" content for him

[@Silent-Samurai]

@@lodrik13 Uuuuh, sounds nice too.

[@yunusmile]

i have been watching all of your videos for many years now but i rarely leave any comment, throat is my favourite and this made my day, i am glad you also like it, just wanted to say that

[@Malisman77]

The best Throt campaing on legendary I had was when I ignored kislev, except that first settlement that is not a big detour and went directly agaisnt dwarfs. I recruited lord on 1st turn and let him jump on 3rd as far towars Throgg, he was already in war with dwarfs so I joined his war, and put some sugar on top of the deal. I managed to get aliance and I jumped to also block him from harvesting dwards. So on turn 7 I had complete norther province and strong ally. Throgg then went to conquer the rest of Norsca and I had all the time and resources to steamroll all over Kislev and Empire. Sooo much food, sooo much mutagens, SO MANY BROOD HORRORS with 5+ mutations!

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

I had more fun as Throt than I ever did with Ikit Claw, truth be told.

[@azizsh9091]

Can't recommend this campaign enough.. my favorite in the game so far. Filling Throt's army with monsters each with +7 mutations and no instability is difficult and takes time even with save-scumming, but once done, that army gotta be the most entertaining army I've used. The Flesh Lab also provides a lot of variety, you are not limited to monster armies.. You can build Eshin-style army with Throt that's way better than anything you can get with Snikch (Eshin Triads and Death Runners with Regeneration, Frenzy, extra speed and stats are broken af and fun to play with).

[@Grivehn]

Same for Stormvermin and Plague Monks.

[@SunlessSage]

Nearly invisible undead hellpit abominations are also hilarious.

[@lucho6883]

One of my beloved mutated abominations died, so when I tried to juice up a new one it ended with an instability. I said screw that and gave the thing EVERY instability possible. I ended up with a giant and crumbling (but somehow durable) time bomb that I was able to vanguard deploy behind the enemy lines. Being so big, it attracted the attention of at least 3 enemy units that tried to kill it. Turns out, with all the augments and instabilities, I could cast like 3 different types of explotions and AOE effects to devastate those enemies. As you mentioned, having many mutations with no instabilities is REALLY hard, but sometimes you can go nuts with them and find something fun, like, if you do the same thing with a brood horror, you get a really fast creature that can jump into the enemy line and blow them up (however, you really need to time the abilities, because the brood horror will not last as long as the abomination does)

[@Murasame13]

My favorite build is regenerating anti large 40% phys resistance +ap dmg plague monk or plague monk censer bearers with stalk and necroparasites. Absurdly powerful army.

[@biowiener7825]

god damn you make me start a new campaign almost every day

[@Vaprous]

5:37 - I'd argue its the most powerful for if you're wanting to run a "balanced" army composition since even the tier 1 mutations can all make individual units across your whole army perform somewhat better. Like how you can put +20 armor on all your Skaven Clanrats and make them perform considerably better in melee as a result if you also boost their leadership from other sources.

[@shapesdontfly]

I've noticed that when I try to deathball brood horrors/ Mutant rat ogres against kislev a lot of their units will send half into melee and the other half stay at range and pincushion my single entities. It definitely feels harder to fight kislev compared to wh2 since they are hybrid units and not a lesser empire faction, at least for katarin/kostaltyn.

[@sinclairo3349]

As always, thanks for your small little overview. So for me it will be a hard campaign, got it. 😄

[@Party4Lemons]

Would love to see a video on your favourite/least favourite unique faction mechanics!

[@lukechaplin3263]

Just started a throt campaign for the first time last week, really loving it.

[@retro3564]

i love making weapon team with this clan, and give them all stalk..so OP

[@aputin654]

This, everyone goes for warp explosion brood horrors but the potential is huge for all Skaven units

[@sausage351]

Waiting so long for more Skaven! Bring it on baby!

[@MrSadisty]

Legend, great video! I am a long time follower, since WH1 days. I just today re-watched the first ever Dark Elf Malekith Campaign WH2 Mortal Empires playthrough of yours, the first one on the channel. Now I want to say, I love how you changed and how you grew as a person and a content creator. I think it takes great courage to step away from the person you were and transition like this, especially in public! When watching that playthrough, I kept wondering: "what would today's Legend think of this?" And not of the edgy jokes etc, more of how much you have improved as a player since WH1/2 came out? In that campaign you said (ep.#3 dark elves campaign) "skaven suuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!", which I found sooo funny as today skaven is your fav race. Maybe you could review your old footage/gameplay from a few years ago and react to it? If you remove the edgy comments it could still be really entertaining. Just an idea, maybe a good material for a funny video or two? Thanks for all of the entertainment your provide us! Cheers!

[@JucyKingK]

First throt campaign I've had, I'm on turn 45 and I finally killed katarin. Azazel malakai and katarin were on my ass immediately and when I killed 2 of em astragoth declared war. Definitely a challenge but one of the most enjoyable campaigns I've played.

[@redluke8119]

I LOVED his campaign just amazing hellpit abominations they are my favorite unit

[@chancevance1641]

Throt is my favorite of them all and an easy 10/10 recommendation from me.

[@hi5dude2]

More fun than nukes? Be-betrayal!

[@dogeknows6086]

You should do a faction mechanics tier list if you haven’t already

[@nonameemanon4842]

Hey legend, big fan of yours. You were the one to get me into Total war warhammer. I have played through a few campaigns on normal, just the standard stuff. Tyrion, som dark elves and dwarfs. While the early game can be a bit challenging for a newb like me after turn 50-100 i start to just steamroll over everyone with way to much money and nothing to spend it on. What faction would you recommend to try a higher difficulty setting? thanks in advance. Anyone else in the chat feel free to comment aswell. Btw. still playing warhammer 2.

[@onionhat745]

I have such a hard time with Throt. All the heavy armor around the starting area just stomps me.

[@apoleonschneider]

I miss your skaven campaigns!

[@theartofsavescumming]

THROT IS BUGGED. Hey man, the mutagen mechanic is bugged. In Warhammer 2 there was a graphic bug for the limit of mutagen and when it would degrade (red numerals when they shouldn't be) in Warhammer 3 this is really broken. Regardless of if you have the laboratory upgrade for mutagen storage it will degrade over 100. I put a video out about this but I'm not going to jack your feed.

[@nikolaosboukouvalas449]

It would be nice to see how Throt fares now with Malakai on his back.

[@Dking3078]

My favourite Skaven faction, Mors is a close second

[@thepavl]

Yeah Throt campaign is very enjoyable. Brood horrors are easy to get very early and then you can dominate the region easy

[@Freeloader_420]

Top 5 campaign in the game currently. Throt has a ton of options for who he can ally with (if you try to) and which direction he goes.

[@Kautami6023]

Cheers, Legend!

[@NyJoanzy]

Ya know, being that the Lizard Men are genetically engineered super-soldiers it wouldn't be out of place if they got a version of the flesh lab.

[@OldWorldFool]

He's back

[@haaton3116]

The fact that you can give your rats stalk on the first turn makes every siege easy

[@nantukoprime]

Did a Throt campaign with 6-7 Throts. Got kind of ridiculous quick. Had to be super aggressive to make use of all the growth vat units. Really starved for gold, even with getting all major settlements immediately to tier 5.

[@dmitriyk.2890]

Hey, Legend. How do you find the fact thay returned settlement types for Chaos Dwarves? Also, apparently, they can insta-level major settlements after capture like Skaven.

[@Zuginator]

I think he's the most powerful skaven. Because the mutation lab applies to every army not just him. And you can make all of your monster stalk. Like what the hell is anyone supposed to do when Skaven monstrosities can't be attacked until they're almost in melee?!?!

[@VOLKN]

Throt is hilarious. Let's go with KHATEP next

[@senshibat8920]

Throts mutigen cheese factory is great.. its like crafting renown units..?

[@roostangarar]

Remember, you can use up to three growth juices on a single rat

[@bathroomlew]

I've always been a Throt for that vat juice.

[@yourma-uh5um]

How do you find the time to run both this channel AND Internet Historian?

[@GuyTheSheep]

Hey Legend, could you upload a 5/10-turn guide on your Clan Angrund skavenblight rush strategy? Ive been trying to do the turn 3 seige battle but i have trouble both dodging the nuke and dealing with the vigour penalty. I would love to see your strategy and how you went about the battle ❤

[@Ozzyfudd13]

Are you using the Rangers to cap the points and not keeping them with the main army? Since they have Stalking Stance and cant be seen

[@bojanpetkovski3629]

Just wait for the army to leave skavenblight. I tried a new campaign that way. The garrison should be easy to deal with. Then sit outside the city and ambush stance and wait for the inevitable counterattack after you recruit a few more units and heal up.

[@noahgm9629]

​@@Ozzyfudd13 I actually found it very difficult to find a free path for them, so isntead i used them as a fakeout then sent in all the heroes and belegar on the other side who tanked half the army then capped the main point.

[@vladimirstojilkovic]

On instant gaming chaos dwarfs are 19 Euro

[@teddys5775]

Mutated Rat ogre armies, skraven are a front line faction now

[@jzmott82]

Funny how I start my throt campaign for the first time the day before this drops. The mutagen traits don't stack though right?

[@markbo3251]

Anyone have any tips on how to play Scaven? I'm thinking of starting my first Scaven campaign.

[@tanktoptony78]

Started belegar ironhammer mortal empires and his ancestral heroes already have their skill tree distributed but what i was pissed off a lot is his ancestral master engineer i wanna get the grudge raker is it rng what skills i get at the start of his campaign?

[@rickylahey657]

Throts start can get challenging but you handle it right and boom you've taken the continent by turn 70

[@gglanouille3060]

Well, started a campaign today. I have to say : FK Azazel. In m'y early game, as I was at War against the orthodoxy, the ice court, and the tree dudes in the south, battling all 3 at the same time, this guy backstabbed me and pushed me from the North, even if we were almost buddies... (No-fur scaly creature-thing was not even good to eat-eat)

[@nogsan195]

Mutatios are great, but Ikit has nukes, I don't think you can top that. Besides deleting an entire faction and it's lord in one swing. I love these rats.

[@jonasjanszikowsky8825]

Boom broodhorros/ mutated ratogers. Not as strong as a single nuke but can be used as many that type of unit you have in your army. In a full monster army that's more powerful than a 1 time nuke

[@thesixthgen291]

@LegendofTotalWar, I know that you don’t live-stream much anymore, but if you do again at some point, you might want to take a look at Markus Wulfhart again. Not sure if anyone else noticed they reworked him a lot and it’s made his campaign and play a lot more interesting honestly

[@anon4388]

Skaven are so op after being favored in every dlc

[@ThePersmo]

I''d like it if you could go through which A.I factions are the strongest/weakest compare to each other when playing IM, not just in battle but overall during both the campaign map and battles. What I'm looking for is to understand which factions I can count on to survive/be destroyed without me having to save/destroy them myself. On example is that I've noticed how Kislev-factions usually get destroyed in my playthroughs without me getting involved and when I play as a order-faction I have to save them from demons, vampires etc. Is it just luck/unluck? I'm sure you have more insight into this than me and I appriciate the way you explain things like these. Also there campaign review videos are great!

[@TimD1999]

can i ask why you stoped livestreaming Legend

[@isthianlyon1706]

Note to CA: Unclean Energy Bar still never unlocks! It's a turn 2 issue guys, get it together.

[@Karina-winsmore]

Hey Legend, any chance for Kraka Drak campaign? You played one in 2020 but you used an outdated buggy mod.

[@Arthurio99]

From what I know legend from wh2 release onward never really liked using mods, and have used them only when there was a content drought. Considering he is not streaming regularly anymore, i don't think that will happen (unless ca releases northern dwarfs DLC or kraka dark FLC)

[@Karina-winsmore]

@@Arthurio99 i know, but a man can dream. There is an amazing norse dwarf mod, in development since wh1 times. And Legend somehow missed it and istead used simple faction unlocker. Outdated too.

[@benfisher961]

Do you unlock the higher up mutations on a unit by unit basis, or are they unlocked for all future units once you have used the lower ones at least once?

[@campbellbruce3378]

Unlocked for all units after you unlock

[@dmitriyk.2890]

You just need to use it once to unlock higher level mutations, but there are separate mutation trees for infantry and monsters. And you apply them for each unit separatelly. Ikit Claws upgrades just apply to all units of specific type in comparison.

[@benfisher961]

Ohh nice

[@XenomorphsWrath]

The hexagon web you saw is for Infantry (as in all infantry units) and Monsters (as in all Monsters). Both have their own web, but unlocking a mutation in the monster web will allow you to give it to all of your monsters, not type restricted. Same for infantry. Unlocking by using the adjacent Mutations in the tier below.

[@Theo-ou6sq]

its the latter, you have to use each one in the tree for infantry or monster augments but you can use a bunch of mutations on trash units to unlock the good stuff

[@magma1lord]

With Throt i have this assassin style upgraded pack of 4 wolf rats. any backline archers and arty is just gone

[@A_Mere_Shrubbery]

My favorite party of throts campaign is definitely ghoritch. I don't know how strong he really is overall but in my campaigns he has always been just a rat ogre skarbrand.

[@CFkatehudson]

throt and ikit are the only skaven lords imo. the others other than the obvious one are fun as well but i like the above mentioned most fun as hellpit

[@tommyservo9660]

yes-yes!

[@piratepat44]

"You can't mutate ogres" :( I feel like Throt would be able to give it a good shot. I want exploding ogre bulls damnit!

[@Steve-nk6vl]

Has anyone had an issue with game crash on EVERY manual battle? It's happened since the latest update and i've tried alot of fixes online. No success so far :(

[@Somedude317]

Verify your files, I was just playing as queek and had no problems. Also check your mods if you use them.

[@corysavage4897]

Please start doing your 10 first turns again, pretty please !!!

[@pyromania1018]

I wish there were Master Mutator Lords.

[@sentry1012]

Don't know if I'm blind, but it looks like they lowered the price on the dlc for the chaos dwarfs. Cool

[@ataxman1]

Thanks

[@NyJoanzy]

I do wish they'd just let us mutate the units from outpost recruitment. Throt would and we know that.

[@Captain_MikeXII]

Count Noctilus next please

[@jabloko992]

The problem with Skaven conquering Kislev is that Skaven don't really get anything out of the rural provinces. Skaven get the bulk of their income from the warp reactor building chain, which is major settlements only. Those increase the money you make from every building in the whole province. Because the Kislevite cities are separate provinces entirely, you can't boost your minor settlements. This makes Kislev literally the worst region on the whole map for Skaven to conquer. (other than Ulthuan or other red climate territories) For this reason alone I dislike playing as Throt, because Kislev is such a shitty region to own. The Greenskin wasteland has better infrastructure than Kislev, which is just dumb in every way.

[@Shpongle64]

And how many of you just get mutated skaven slave armies?

[@aceflashheart]

BIIIGGGGG TREEEEE!!!

[@LordPratticus]

♥️❤️♥️

[@garyscarisbrick8621]

I rank this a yes yes/10

[@asaadkhan2870]

Would you also consider tehenuin an active campaign mechanic?

[@peterrehm490]

Skaven and HEs are my favorites! Also been liking Chaos much better in WH3. It's

[@KazeKoichi]

Boris.

[@ashra8281]

My least favourite skavern clan because I have 0 idea how their mechanic works

[@pantheon6522]

Do Gor-RoK next please :D

[@thorgrimgrudgebearer6757]

Awkward confession, Throts campaign is easily my favorite I've played on IE. Grudge me

[@Keln02]

Some dlc Lords have incredibly fun mechanics. And then you have Malus dark blade and the sisters of twilight.

[@austenschiratti397]

I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I really can't stand Throt's campaign. You're so laughably overpowered right from turn 1 and only get stronger from there. YAWN.

[@stephens021]

first

[@MsDunier]

Mazdamundi.

[@stimulanttree]

Oh so throt can buy mutagen, but Tomb Kings can't buy canopek jars? Pro-Skaven bias!

[@thetaleofzulu3693]

Gor Rok

[@mrcreative13]

I just find it frustrating that only units in throts army can be mutated. If you want mutated units in other armies you have to exchange them with throt

[@LegendofTotalWar]

Not true. Any unit in any army can be mutated. You have to select the army you want to mutate