2024 BMW 5 Series Review // Not What We Expected

The 2024 BMW i5 M60 xDrive ($113,600 as specced in Canada, $92,450 in the US) is BMW’s first fully electric 5-Series sedan. Over 600 horsepower is on tap when using M Sport Boost mode and it has a predicted EPA range of 412 kilometers. With oodles of power and a sophisticated suspension system, the i5 aims to provide the familiar experience of speed and comfort that one might expect of a 5-Series sedan. But does it achieve its goals? And how different is it now that the drivetrain has been electrified? Thomas and James are excited to find out! We hope you enjoy the episode. And then subscribe, silly.
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[@TheFalseProdigy]

Carson missing the shot midway through the review was absolute gold

[@henry3440]

What time? Can't find it

[@skulu]

@@henry3440i guess you missed it

[@loxan22]

​@@skuluwhy you gate keeping 🤣🙏

[@abhirupbora]

@@henry34403:32

[@Applejaxman]

@@henry3440 3:31 hehe

[@jpipal621]

When I was a kid I dreamt about BMW 7series. Later on I liked 5series a little more. I can easily state that the previous version of all BMWs was the last thing I craved for.

[@36firerahul]

Agreed. They've been killing all of their line ups with the exception of the SUVs. The new 5 series isnt particularly ugly, but the m550i and F90 M5 are pretty much perfection.

[@PapiAndrey]

@@36firerahulAgreed, though i’d rather go with the 540i over the M550i. It’s lighter, it’s offered with rwd or awd, it has a classic Bmw inline 6 and can handle tons of power.

[@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow]

The worst thing is the buttonless bandwagon BMW has joined. iDrive 8 is an abomination. The 8 shortcut buttons are gone. Climate control buttons are gone. Heated seats and ventilated seats are now have to be turned on / off in software. Manual turning on of low beam headlights and PARKING LIGHTS are in iDrive. Was the turn-style headlight switch too complicated, for BMW? Even the HEATED STEERING WHEEL BUTTON is gone. No one can dispute that having to navigate a software menu to do simple tasks is easier and safer than a switch you can locate and turn on, without looking, by memory. The fact the common sense has been lost around this is totally mind boggling.

[@colin5577]

Ditto. Their new stuff is aimed at someone other than me, which I find weird having been such a keen BMW customer over the years - I’ve bought tons of them; mostly new, from E46 to Z8 by way of many 5s, 7s and Ms. Couldn’t be bothered with them any more, though I have a couple of 80s and 90s keepers to remind me how fun they used to be.

[@On2wheels94]

@@colin5577 So what are the alternatives? I still haven't seen any brands doing cars better.

[@krayziejman]

I never thought BMW would kill the 5-series. I understood (sort of), the experimentation with the 4-series and other models, but I never thought they would take the 5-series out like this. I have absolutely loved my prior 5s, but I do not want this car. Comparing this new 5 to the prior gen's exterior is shocking. I have zero desire to own it. So sad.

[@pilotdog68]

in my opinion this looks far better than the previous Gen. Simpler body lines are more timeless. The old one looks busy in comparison.

[@Sam-uy7oq]

It’s hard to believe that the new 5 has anything in common with the early 2000’s 5.

[@Sam-uy7oq]

IMO they are both fugly, but the gigantic rectangular screen in this one, which has somehow become the standard in new cars, will age it horribly.

[@v12-s65]

@@pilotdog68 mate respectfully there was nothing too busy about the old one... idk what you interpret as good looking

[@makingwaves1239]

They are basically killing all their models. They electrify everything.

[@TC9700Gaming]

"Should have worked for Jason Cammisa" LOL

[@patrickf2386]

I'm still surprised about the fact that he can actually speak!

[@Edtmcgrath]

Love your content man

[@markb1935]

Hahahahahaha

[@falcongamer58]

​@@Edtmcgrathdo you know?

[@robsnow2099]

I would honestly just use my iPad while charging, or even iPhone. But definitely the iPad. The integrated games are over-thought and overrated.

[@pablos3563]

RIP BMW 5 Series, it was a legendary car model 😢

[@macrc2129]

My 06 550i is looking better and better every year. 😁

[@Johnnygga]

@@macrc2129that car looks old as hell and outdated in 2023. Keep dreaming lmao

[@taliyy_]

@@Johnnyggalooks better than this i5 😂

[@hassanger8128]

Same moaning and whining on every new BMW from the same broke boomers who could never afford a new X1. On the other hand, the company sales numbers are skyrocketing.

[@macrc2129]

@@Johnnygga Holy moly calm down. Not dreaming. These E60s sell like hotcakes on cars&bids.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

My first BMW was a 1991 525i that I bought in 1995 and to this day I'm still emotional about it. The reason is it was the first car I ever had with: leather seats, heated seats, power headrests, a ZF trans, and it handled flawlessly. In the 20 years since I sold it, I can't think of a 5-Series I have ever wanted LESS than this new one...

[@MarSaso]

I had E60 530d 3 years, F10 530d 5 years and G31 520d 6 months, the G31 was so bad and dull I could not handle it. Since I had 3 generations I can tell you that the interior quality worsened over generations, especially the leather wear. I switched to Cayenne now which still has some soul in it

[@JNAMOTORSPORTS]

Buy another one

[@3UZFE]

I recently bought a 1994 540i, it's a beautiful car in just about every regard, reliable and as complicated as you need a car to be.

[@robertpetrea23]

nostalgia tinted glasses

[@googlepissoff5776]

@@robertpetrea23Nah this Gen sucks lol

[@gonncalomariamonteiro4176]

"BMW has just made THE perfect LEXUS." You guys nailed it !!!

[@ravenmcclaw1725]

LOL Lexus who cares about that car😂

[@VaunShiz]

​@@ravenmcclaw1725Lexus is a brand not a car

[@protocetid]

@@ravenmcclaw1725 People who prioritize what's important, like being able to order a compact sedan with naturally aspirated V8 instead of worrying so much about silly things like what badge is on the front.

[@ravenmcclaw1725]

@@protocetid naturally aspirated V8, good morning to you sir, if you didn’t noticed combust engines are soon to be dead, V8 is the past like V10 or even my favourite V6. Lexus or other Japanese car manufacturers completely miscalculated EV Technology and are well behind Tesla, BYD and the Germans. It could be that it will be the downfall of Japanese Car Companies if there are not be catch up to the rest.

[@saideng2761]

But Lexus owners pay for luxury, reliability and low-depreciation rate. This BMW offers speed and weight.

[@saigaikwad415]

I did NOT expect that ending 😂 And the opening skit was hilarious, especially how it continued even after the TH logo intro, absolutely loved this video, can't wait to see the full fledged M5!

[@MW-te5fv]

Yeah, perfect if you exclude reliability and the image which goes with owning one.

[@VelkePivo]

You mean it was mildly humorous

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Except it's not "The perfect Lexus" - because if it was it would also be reliable, not depreciate like a stone in a pond, and the interior wouldn't feel cheap.

[@truthbetold06]

@@Beer_Dad1975 2009 LS460 206k miles......my baby!!!

[@Beer_Dad1975]

@@truthbetold06 LOL, I've had a GS460 for many years now - only 120,000km (which I believe is around 75,000 miles) - so by Lexus standards, just barely broken in - not a single rattle or squeak to be heard, everything is in as new condition, not a drop of oil leaked, and every single bit of electronics still works... by comparison I've seen much newer, much lower mileage BMW's falling apart, or literally scrapped.

[@alexsosna7180]

Absolutely massacred all their car’s designs. The 2014 5 series is one of the most beautiful sedans ever made. What the hell happened

[@Tista_acc]

Makes the old 5 series a classic. Beautiful video.

[@watchfalcon122]

makes the last 5 series look like a classic

[@faheemabbas3965]

This new generation of China-inspired German car design sucks. Even Porsche said recently that Chinese car brands’ “futuristic” design is making them consider going down the same path. NO NO NO!

[@PapiAndrey]

The F10 and G30 look so beautiful compared to this car. You can see from this design and other new models that they could’ve made it nice, but chose not to. Gotta cater to the Chinese market

[@shangjunmeng9986]

@@PapiAndreyunfortunately as a Chinese and a bmw owner I'm not pleased by how this one (or any recent bmw) looks. Bimmers are just getting uglier and less elegant for a fact🥲

[@KingRen420]

Ill keep my LCI f90 bro this new bodystyle is trash as fuck lol Prefer the old v10 tbh lol

[@JohnTallodi]

great video, Karsten used up all his word allocation in this one

[@mediocreman2]

For the next year! 😅

[@andrewduong2740]

KARSTON SPEAKS

[@kunfupandarofl]

Probably just his wedding gift.

[@Naredi31]

​@@kunfupandarofl19😅

[@anonymous-wk1nh]

The interior is like a teenage gamer's bedroom, complete with the purple LED lights lining the walls/car and everything

[@MichaelBertolino]

"She may not be the prettiest, but she has a great personality". Extremely unfortunate how BMW ruined the nose on this. If they ruin the 3 Series, people will drop the brand for Genesis I bet (Albert Biermann gang 😤👏)

[@TermlessHGW]

Imagine having a pretty much perfect car like the old 5 series and then turn up with this.

[@kabelomohlala3634]

I am still looking and thinking what is BMW thinking... They're losing it ... They can't do this to the 5series

[@vanjamenadzer]

@@TermlessHGW This shit looks like it was designed by a 15 year old boy... It looks so unfinished and cheap.

[@MichaelBertolino]

@@TermlessHGW I'm not even a "All new cars are bad/ugly" guy, it's just that BMW is making these cars ugly for no reason. It's like they want to boost their used sales or something

[@MichaelBertolino]

@@kabelomohlala3634 The 3 Series is their best selling vehicle, so if they do it to that, it's game over. I personally think the M3 and M4 look awesome, but the 5 & 7 Series and XM are unacceptable

[@xxtrengt8871]

A perfect Lexus without the reliability 😅

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

Nailed it.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

and 1000 lbs heavier

[@laszlogaspar1244]

I think older Lexus was more reliable not these ones 🤔

[@SuperLukeShapiro]

Have you some stats about reliability of a NEW car? Can you share it? I guess you don't. So, this is a perfect picture of you - 🤡

[@Homobikerus]

​@@laszlogaspar1244and BMW became reliable themselves.

[@rayestefania3725]

I just picked up an M550i with dynamic handling package. I plan to hold on to that V8 sleeper for quite awhile! That is the last of the great BMW 5 series cars, in my opinion.

[@stanarcer8741]

I got m760 v12 and keep it for awhile)

[@kuisma8]

Happy G31 M550d owner here: that car truly feels like the last hurrah & pinnacle of evolution for the legendary 5-series. G60 might be the one to skip, let's see.

[@67tomcat]

BMW ruined their best car, which is too bad. Great review as always!

[@topshelfdustin3060]

The new 2 series...the ONLY real BMW is barely a BMW anymore. But to be fair, it's been nearly a decade since the 3-7 had any BMW feel.

[@GameXTwo]

@@topshelfdustin3060 New m2 is one of the ugliest performance cars ive ever seen

[@topshelfdustin3060]

@@GameXTwo looks are subjective and at the end of the day. Giant who cares for me. The fact that the old 2 was already heavier and larger that needed, the fact it got even larger is a MASSIVE L. BMW had it right with the 1 series...

[@ajlee6933]

“BMW ruined their best car” Also BMW will sell them like hotcakes…

[@Vito_Caligiuri]

@@ajlee6933I doubt it

[@dereklaverne7608]

Ill say what everyone's thinking & everyone being true automotive enthusiasts and drivers: WTF HAS BMW'S //M DIVISION BECOME? They used to stand for superb handling and a car you could daily and hit the track with if you pleased, but now it's just a gimmick . A badge to upcharge.

[@petkokrushev3840]

They have fallen for the short-term money income by putting on everything the M badge. Yeah, they will get fast sales now, but the more it goes, the more the badge will mean nothing and in the future they will stop selling it, but the damage to M will be already made. I think Porsche is the only one really careful with the badging, they are very careful what gets the "GT" badge and thus EVERY "GT" car has a higher resale value, than the sticker price.

[@PlusSizedDolphin]

The same thing has happened to AMG also, and Audi RS will soon be all electric. I don't get it, people loved German performance cars but now they are completely giving up on their audience.

[@DrRussell]

Something similar has happened in medicine. Things aren’t what they used to be.

[@ErisAlter]

The ///M stands for Marketing now, not Motorsport...

[@Audios81]

It’s a shit cr. But it’s not an actual “M” car.M Sport means f all. If they can fix the shit interior materials, remove the extra half ton and decide to use the V8 with hybrid tech, they may have saved this iconic sedan. My mother has had an M5 every three years since the 90s. The F90 LCI was perfect. Angry and aggressive just sitting there parked. She’s said she will not be buying another, and may have to move to a 7. Sad and sacrilege.

[@maech.m007di]

Watched this video yesterday, I'm taking a walk today and could not believe my eyes when i saw this parked across the street. Truly a beauty!

[@ricklotter]

I appreciate how well you can tailor the message to the car manufacturers where their cars suck versus the previous version. It's hard to avoid the electric elephant in the room every review. Love your reviews. 🙂

[@shane864]

Gas cars are going to seem like Nokia brick phones in ten years. It's not an elephant, it's just the massively superior future for the vast majority of use cases.

[@VaunShiz]

​@@shane864love how you just say things with no evidence, perfect example of someone who isn't very intelligent.

[@yesplz2907]

Wrong

[@98ws6m6cvert]

@@shane864the Germans think you’re wrong lol. They’re all planning for ice to come back better in the next decade. Especially in Europe.

[@rbarbetta1978]

Yeah, wrong. There's a reason two of the largest global auto manufacturers haven't really bought off on EVs. They see the writing in the wall. Toyoda was right. There are tons of unsold EVs sitting in car lots. Supply has far exceeded demand. And that's a fact. There's nothing wrong with having EVs or people that prefer EVs. But they are simply not the solution that many people hoped they would be. Plus there is that little issue of slaves in the African Congo mining Cobalt and then shipping it across vast oceans in giant cargo vessels powered by fossil fuels...

[@dr-ok3sn]

BMW absolutely lost the potential of the i5 by using the same battery from the i4, they could have used a much bigger one if you think about the size of the i5, it's a complete disappointment

[@DuBstep115]

Good that they didn't, nothing more stupid big batteries

[@krzzzy19]

So you want more weight you won't use most of the time? No thanks.

[@timwin7155]

You are so wrong at this point. Bigger battery, more weight, less distance. Furthermore it takes longer to charge. It is very impressive what they build with an casual combustion engine platform.

[@stevem2323]

@@singular9 Garbage, because of the batteries?

[@stilljt2864]

@@singular9people are still buying them so obviously not everyone thinks that

[@Bigneek131]

BMW needs to fire everyone on the design team who approved this and the new 7 series grille 😂

[@omereren7382]

I am still amazed by the fact that highest quality car content available is on KZbin and not behind some paywall.

[@carbonkoko6516]

These guys, TG and CAR Magazine TV are the best imo

[@dennisalexanderreilly8624]

At least not yet......

[@mojojojo_BB]

" Nearly a 1,000 heavier than it's predecessor. " Ouch!

[@mce32]

is he comparing the gas model to the electric?

[@mojojojo_BB]

@@mce32 Yes, the M550i to this M60.

[@mce32]

@@mojojojo_BB I don't think this comparison makes sense. It is well known that car companies like to experiment with electric versions of their cars.

[@da5863]

@@mce32this is the direct replacement, the comparison makes complete sense

[@mce32]

@@da5863 I am sure BMW will have something badged as 550i anyway

[@TwistedSXS]

Just love the unrehearsed banter in the car portion. Just hilarious, unrefined pure honest opinion. Sets you guys apart and above anyone else. Love it.

[@tremell7559]

Glad I got my 550i before it was too late. The thrown together grill and dumb embossed "5's" on the side are a design killer for me. The amount of extra weight in a BMW is low key criminal. And the cheapening of interior fit and finish combined with the chaotic layout of the interior is a no go at that price point. If i'm paying 100K for a car I have to have that "look back at it feeling everytime I get out of it". BMW offered up a rough draft in my personal opinion on this car.

[@dens6960]

I was just over at the BMW of Manhattan today looking at this thing sitting in the showroom. It did look plasticky, but the most uncomfortable thing to watch was no tailpipes on a 5 series, just weird... Then my m550i was ready, the service dept complimented my individual color and detailed it.. the car made me smile, plus it was a beautiful day in the city..

[@zygarde2162]

As a BMW guy, I love the honesty in these reviews. I sincerely hope that the boys in Munich pay close attention to what these lads are pointing out as so many of us who actually buy this brand for its (former??) core ingredients and not for posing, are starting to consider looking elsewhere. It would be really nice if certain reviewers (cough, cough,TH) were involved before the production approval sign-off on the next models. Just a thought.

[@hby7768]

I stop buying bmw in the in 2010 - had a M5, M3, and the last one was a M6. Cars look odd, ugly in most cases and the "Drivers Car" they were known for is gone.

[@mediocreman2]

That's never going to happen. Especially if you know how Germany works. First, they don't consider these guys automotive journalists (or any KZbinrs), and second as long as the revenue rolls in, they'll be unlikely to change anything. Most younger graduates have never been in a legacy BMW and are brainwashed into thinking EV's are the only way forward.

[@oliverbuljan2639]

@@mediocreman2Hard cold Truth, completely agree with you

[@Johnnygga]

I hope not. If BMW listened to the “online car enthusiasts” or these youtube reviewers, you’d get brand stagnation and every generation would look like an E39 5 series over and over and over again. Boring. Look at what’s happening with Mercedes and Audi. I can barely tell their C class from their S class apart on the road unless you’re looking real hard. Audi models look exactly the same across the board too. No personality on both.

[@hassanger8128]

Well. This car got extremely positive reviews from the mainstream reviewers. Secondly, the company has been criticized by lots of people, including the typical boomers, along the last couple of years. On the other hand, BMW sales numbers are skyrocketing and gaping all other rivals, including Mercedes. So, I think they are totally on the right path.

[@rem05033]

"A perfect Lexus." That is profound, and I agree with that characterization. Great review, as always. Thanks!

[@nathanielcox9962]

"I should have worked with jason cammisa" lol

[@GT-Z-]

i have never been able to realize how serious the ICE to EV transition until this Electrified 5-Series. It's kind of scary !!!

[@faheemabbas3965]

The EV agenda is a scam. The legacy automakers who’ve already dumped billions into EV development when EVs are done being a fad are going to go out of business. We’re going to see insane natural selection in the automotive world in about 10 years.

I love that they continued the joke from the intro :) But I am surprised that it wasnt picked up in the Outro :(

[@bichaeljordan]

I'm an old school BMW guy currently driving a 6MT E92 328xi, and these videos and all the others about new BMW has me wondering what the hell I'm gonna drive in a couple of years

[@JStryker7]

Alfa, but they are going to kill ICE as well

[@romulus_]

Porsche beckons.

[@SirJimmyRustlesIV]

@@romulus_ It has for a looooooong time. I'm in my third year of law school and at some point in my life I would love to own one, but the way prices ares going they're already crazy! It might be possible to get into a 718 or to find an older 944 but almost every 911 regardless of air-cooled, or not, etc has just sky-rocketed. I hope it gets better but it probably won't. The time to scoop these cars is now and I'm [hopefully] the poorest I'm ever going to be at the moment.

[@romulus_]

@@SirJimmyRustlesIV aircooled is its own scene, too much big money controlling it right now. collectors/hoarders. a modern-ish cayman is reasonably priced and is a thing of beauty to drive.

[@faheemabbas3965]

This new generation of China-inspired German car design sucks. Even Porsche said recently that Chinese car brands’ “futuristic” design is making them consider going down the same path. NO NO NO!

[@DefinitelyNotIU]

Loving all the bits with Karston in this vid. You guys just never miss.

[@CBS3733]

I love that you guys don’t hold back on whats glaringly obvious. It looks economical and it’s convoluted

[@mathewhumvee]

BMW: The ultimate lease machine These will be leased up until the warranty expires, and then will be a nightmare to own out of warranty. Way more then previous models

[@stevem2323]

Why way more?

[@mathewhumvee]

@@stevem2323 most of these newer EVs are completely locked out from being serviced by independent parties. Along side that many companies are refusing to sell EV parts to people. So if your battery has an issue, that 30-40 grand to replace, and imagine trying to source in the next ten years a battery pack for this specific model and build. These are not like Tesla which are high volume EVs. These are low volume cars on there own, and now also EV as well

[@stevem2323]

@@mathewhumvee So all EV's are garbage not just BMW?

[@Future-Classic-Comics]

​@@stevem2323Yes- out of lease wtf is anyone going to do when Batteries conk out, when ev's are 20/30 years old it's going to cost a fortune to replace dated Batteries.

[@stevem2323]

@@Future-Classic-Comics Well with that i agree on.

[@Irowned]

No V8 in a 5 series, what a sad joke!

[@ellishoke1693]

Just a damn shame

[@nilasferm1239]

Ehh the V8 is dead its time to accept it.

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

wait for the M5 and AMG e63s

[@ellishoke1693]

@@nilasferm1239 it’s time to get some tape for those fingers bud, don’t be saying some BS unless you can back it up but you can’t.

[@shaheens9837]

​@@thanosianthemadtitanicE63 is gonna have an straight 6 hybrid. M5 will be the only one with a V8 hybrid

[@gatuzoarayas6676]

Thanks to your team , this new era of boring cars seems less boring. When i've seen you toguether performing the test , is obvioud that you need to fill with your fantàstic work all the voids that this electric cars has . Soulness, mildness,etc Great team and great work too!!

[@Captain_Coleslaw]

Since both the 5 series and E class have JUST been refreshed. You should do a head to head! Maybe the facelift A6 too

[@crazycjk]

It's just a small thing, but the way you do the silent rear seat space comparisons with James vs Mr SoundEngineerGuy is the perfect balance of funny and informative

[@geoffreydcruz7222]

The only reason he was hired is that he is 6’6”

[@jfox24]

Saw a bunch of the new 5 series on my morning commute one day from the base all the way to this one (they were in a convoy). All of them looked like a standard car, not the way you want your 5 series to look. Really does look like a Kia or Hyundai or Mercedes CLA

[@RemyDelaCruz]

I think most of them are going that way. Before they look fast and furious. Now they look like the camry of the early 2000s somehow. Like Mercedes, too. The only one that have kept their identity in my eyes is Porsche. Too bad they are so expensive.

[@rahmansamadzade7747]

Bro even hyundai and kia sedans looks much better than current bmw5 series.

[@jfox24]

@@rahmansamadzade7747 it literally looks like a CLA with a "kidney grille"

[@JurisKankalis]

There are certain design canons - in a world of any sports sedan family - but especially - for the 5series. Traditions which BMW has been true to - for close to 5 decades, since the E12 (with some exceptions for E60). The front wheel arch to hood distance is small (or at least made to look small). The front overhang is small (or - again - at least made to look small). The front and rear lights are connected with a pronounced, stretched (and I know it sounds idiotic, but still) - muscular - there I said it - line which goes through the centre of door handles (except for the E60). In my car - the F11 - they even adapted the emergency hood pop-up system (essentially an airbag for pedestrians) - in order to make all these canons and traditions work (and it's the third ever most good-looking 5 series imho - after E28 and E34.. and maybe E39 - and btw all these cars adhered to all of the above - and then some - traditional BMW design features). This generation - the G60 - which, coincidentally, was announced one day after my birthday (namely, May 24) - simply spits on all of those traditions - and says - yo, China? BMW's biggest market? Yes, thank you very much - I. WILL. HAVE. China written all over me - and f__ck any canons, traditions, design heritage - or whatever anyone might call any of that - so screw the brand fans which have been true to BMW design for decades. Also - mr. Zipse, the current CEO of BMW - has said that "all modern cars need to be ugly" - no they don't - and no, crazy gadgets which have no place in a car will not replace classy, brilliant design - which BMW has known how to make - for many, many decades. And if the Chinese market is so important that BMW makes this generation of 5series (their mega-seller) - just for China - inside and out - I wonder which cars got Chinese people (known to copy basically all design from the West) - hung on BMW - in the first place. Wasn't it the beautiful E39? The F10/F11? I don't think China wants Chinese design. I think it wants clean, spectacular western design - not a copy of Chinese design - which itself is a copy of... jeezus. This is just bad design. Also - the front looks like a Merc A-class - whereas the rear looks like an E-class. WHY? Also - was the F10 the last generation in which you could switch driving modes, ESC, fog lights, climate controls and stereo (even the "control" screen off) - WITHOUT taking eyes off the road? Have we gone so far beyond all that that we now need all the (complicated, heavy and costly) driver aids? Sorry BMW. You can do better - especially after the massive backlash and lost sales (look at F10 after E60!) - the problem is, you've apparently stopped listening to backlash. Either way - thanks to the Canadian (wait, what?) guys for yet another great video, greetings from Latvia.

[@xAandreyYx]

Absolutely agree. In my opinion, this whole approach isn't even a smart financial move. Sure they might sell in China today, but what about the future? If they continue copying chinese design, won't the chinese design be the original then? Why buy a german copy of a chinese car when you can have the original, which is probably better in terms of durability anyway. This whole thing stinks, it's cheap. And very stupid in my opinion. You don't change yourself and your core values for someone who liked you for who you were in the first place. BMW will sooner or later lose the respect they earned decades ago if they continue like this, not just from fans.

[@FirstPersonLife]

I just hope these design changes don't trickle down to other companies once it becomes cheaper to do so. It's almost like they want cars to suck for a while so that everyone buys into the next car generation (EV's, self driving, etc) to 'fix' everything.

[@faheemabbas3965]

BMW sold itself out. It’s not for enthusiasts anymore, time to move on to another company.

[@zakarneh]

The proportions that arguably made BMW designs usually timeless are completely killed in this car. I need to see it in person but on camera looks no good

[@TassieLorenzo]

The styling is very Camry-ish, especially the rear!

[@DontEatCream]

Watching this only confirms that I made the right decision by purchasing my 2023 540i.

[@papa_pt]

What BMW did to their brand makes me want to cry 😢

[@faheemabbas3965]

This new generation of China-inspired German car design sucks. Even Porsche said recently that Chinese car brands’ “futuristic” design is making them consider going down the same path. NO NO NO!

[@TassieLorenzo]

They are trying to make money after all, can't blame 'em! Big blingy cars sell, especially in BMW's primary market of China. The Ultimate Crusing Machine(TM) for Sheer Showoff Pleasure(TM). 🙂

[@lemster101]

I'm still an F10 fan. Best looking modern 5 Series.

[@endzenju]

I would say that G30 have better front. Sides are practically the same while rear end of F10 was much more BMW due to a respectful nod to e34 design with L shaped taillights. Yet F10 was a modernized E39 overall and G30 is further evolution of it. While we wouldn't talk about E60 at all if not for that V10... But with this new 5 series - even E60 look like a car design classic!

[@MrPink-]

Design wise the F10 is definitely the e39 sucessor and its shows, sporty but classy and elegant at the same time. A mint exemple of one still looks BMW at its best.

[@ghettomist1575]

F10 and E39 are peak for sure. E34’s are also solid!

[@petkokrushev3840]

@@endzenju In my opinion E60 is very nice. Yes, I agree, that pre-lci without the M sport package looks dated, but the lci, especially with the M sport packet is a looker and it still feels relevant. Just put the LCI e60 to the E class from the same year and you will see how dated the Merc is

[@k0zzu21]

The w211 mercedes is one of the most beatiful sedans ever made. It is pure class inside to outside.

[@Roogs]

The "BMW Wellness Check" comment had me 💀

[@gleisxheli2282]

Props to the guy behind the camera and the guy who edited this. You have created a masterpiece!

[@IvanSlivan]

Glad to hear Carston actually talk

[@MYJ61]

The minimalism and EVERYTHING being done on the touch screen is EXACTLY what keeps me from considering a Tesla.

[@DonisGP]

BMW dropped the ball on the new 5 series. I am a mercedes fanboy but I can't lie the F80's and last gen M5 were some of the most beautiful cars ever made. It's a shame what bmw design has come to. As a mercedes fan boy I feel like mercedes has begun to do something similar. I mean just look at the W205 C63 and the lastest W206. However, bmw has done it to almost all of their cars. It's a real shame beacuse these cars drive beautifully but they have lost their looks and appeal.😢

[@taliyy_]

I agree. The F90 M5 WAS the reason i changed from being a Mercedes guy to BMW and still is my favourite car. Prior to that i was in love with the w204 c63. I knew whatever came after the F90 wouldn’t be able to carry its legacy and the fact that it’s the last raw V8 makes it that much more special now.

[@faheemabbas3965]

This new generation of China-inspired German car design sucks. Even Porsche said recently that Chinese car brands’ “futuristic” design is making them consider going down the same path. NO NO NO!

[@bobanppvc]

Same with me i was biggest Mercedes fan whole life.F90 m5 was probably the best sport saloon ever made.To see what BMW come to is sad

[@DonisGP]

@@taliyy_ Exactly bro I love the W204 C63 and seeing the new one be a 4 cylinder is so sad. Same goes with the M5 as this is the last generation to have a V8 and it looks hideous comapired to the F90 which was a work of art. Glad Mercedes still hasn't done anything like ruin designs like BMW has done to almost everything however things like the newer E class not looking as good as the previous one and the CLS being discontinued are not very good signs for what might come next. I am hopeful they learn from BMW.

[@DonisGP]

@@bobanppvc It's tragic bro. So many beautiful cars are being replaced by uglier versions 😔

[@ricardosalas6738]

"BMW made a perfect Lexus" this is pure gold! 😂 Keep up the great work! The reviews are informative and brutally honest when warranted.

[@TC__294]

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[@powderhound5]

Just ordered a 530i xDrive Sedan. My first BMW in 30 years. I am a tall guy 6'4" and have been driving Lexus LS Sedans for 25 year. When Lexus created the LS500they reduced the cabin room significantly and put stupid bolsters in the seat. The 5 Series offers Comfort Seats as an option.They are fantastic.The car fits me well. It will be fine.

[@maggotpudding]

I wonder, styling wise, has BMW forgotten that someone might want their car to come with wheels without gloss black and diamond cut. Not only are ALL new BMW's pig ugly but their wheels are equally bad. Intro on point again, super job guys.

[@faheemabbas3965]

This new generation of China-inspired German car design sucks. Even Porsche said recently that Chinese car brands’ “futuristic” design is making them consider going down the same path. NO NO NO!

[@Vgk36]

Bmw IS DEAD. sad ... they use to look good now they all look like calloused feet with corns and toe fungus. Saying it looks like ass does not apply to the asses I like. cuz they are PEACHES

[@tomrakusan1179]

Yes - pig and F UGLY

[@TassieLorenzo]

To be fair, the owner could always just take the diamond cut & black wheels and get them powercoated silver themselves. 🙂 A lot of cheaper auto makers offer the same wheel designs with both diamond cut (over black or grey) *or* painted silver finish to differentiate different trim levels. It's a cheap way of offering visual differentiation from the same part!

[@abionaalli]

TH: it's damn near a thousand pounds heavier than it's successor. BMW: hold my beer.

[@YusufSayed-px2xy]

I'll take a 2022 Cadillac CT5 V blackwing with the 6 speed manual and V8 LT4 supercharger pushed from the C7 Z06.

[@yafeters]

Love that Carsten is being included in videos more lately. Please keep it up!

[@Exiledspectre]

I love it when you show the people sitting in the back of the car. I find that visual reference very informative

[@johnl.7582]

Transmission tunnels in EVs are inexcusable in 2023.

[@philaoki]

Yes, it's laughable. BMW are still not thinking EV customer.

[@kevinmorphet8083]

Ok, that shot of Carlton suddenly seeing you come around the corner? Perfect. Just perfect. Laughed right out loud. Thanks.

[@gregcipov1426]

I’m happy to have my 2023 m550i! The black skirt is ridiculous

[@pier-lucgaranddion1527]

Outstanding intro. A comprehensive, very thorough and enjoyable review of a car I was never gonna be interested in anyway, but I thank you for it still. Great stuff from TH as always :)

[@James-kd2cm]

Great vid guys. Brave of you taking the new car into downtown Toronto. I wonder if you were tailgated by any teslas on the 401. Seems to be common lately. Keep up the good work.

[@MyFaceIsNice4u]

the depreciation on this is gonna be massive

[@xjhigg]

When James said, "there's no transmission tunnel, so you can spread your legs," I'm not quite sure how he kept it together.

[@Michalos86]

I agree with you on the looks. Agree that in Europe wider and longer is not always better.

[@JRB41]

I drive a 2011 BMW 328i xDrive Wagon, 6 speed manual. Bought it brand new, fully loaded.. sticker price of around $50,000. It makes me think how much better BMW was as a brand 15 years ago ever time I drive it! Those were the days when every car they sold looked good and drove well, atleast in my eye. I don’t wanna get rid of it, but at some point I’m gonna have to - I don’t know what I’m gonna buy! I hate the new screens and exterior designs on these BMWs, I’m thinking to moving to Porsche exclusively… which is a shame because I have always been a BMW fan, but those screens/designs are deal breakers.

[@JRB41]

@@ifeanyiikemefuna3706 I test drove the X5 and M340i.. was very disappointed! Of course the straight line performance was excellent, but the build quality and steering feel were inferior to my E91

[@JRB41]

@@ifeanyiikemefuna3706 Yep!

[@faheemabbas3965]

Even Porsche is going all screen sadly. They’re ditching the mechanical tach for an all-screen cluster.

[@JRB41]

@@faheemabbas3965 Well they’re keeping the physical buttons, and their screens are nicely integrated. Not buying a new BMW ever again, I’ll stick to Porsche. Not to mention BMWs are becoming overbuilt soccer mom cars, I rarely see anybody else driving them.

[@Rockport1911]

Say what you want, but in the past BMW got hammered for having low resale value. Now they adressed that nicely with their new models: Look how much old 5series, M3/M4´s and eypecially M2 are going for :) The old 5series was pretty much perfect from a design standpoint, so they almost couldnt win here, this looks like a giant 2series GranCoupe or more like a 3series with these headlight. And that big blacked out part under the " kidneys" looks off...

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Lol, all values are up.

[@irelax8595]

I've been saving up many years for an M2 CS but they went too much in price that I can forget it. Here in Holland your M2 CS with great specs is atleast 60k. Insane. Actually insane.

[@taliyy_]

I agree they literally couldn’t beat the exterior design of the f90 M5. I knew this was coming

[@faheemabbas3965]

This new generation of China-inspired German car design sucks. Even Porsche said recently that Chinese car brands’ “futuristic” design is making them consider going down the same path. NO NO NO!

[@Beer_Dad1975]

That's because so many of them ended up on the scrap heap from becoming too expensive to repair when their values were low that the ones left are now rare.

[@Angelo-v2g]

It's amazing how year after year BMW manages to make their cars worse!

[@avery4528]

Definitely would get a Lucid over anything higher spec than a BMW 340i.

[@johannesfranck1770]

The 5 series had its time in the 90s and early 2000s

[@395PRS]

E39 was pinnacle. The latest m5's last 5 years were wicked on most levels. I would chose 98 E39 M5 w 6sp over Any.

[@BS-xl8uk]

"Perfect Lexus" Shots fired.

[@cry.martini]

As a Merc lover, I thoroughly enjoy the clean sleek sides of this new M5 but I find it so ridiculous they didn’t build a ground- up EV 💀 that gear tunnel is a dealbreaker

[@talkditingsdem5799]

Not a m5.

[@elbillar77]

As a Merc lover too I approve of BMW’s decision to NOT build a ground up EV. I like the fact that they are using the same design for both ICE and EV. EQS and EQE are both generic potato design cars with nothing of interest and any distinction that define them as Mercedes. They could be labeled as any automotive brand.

[@cry.martini]

@@elbillar77 Does any automotive brand have rear wheel steering ? Does any brand have the Exterior and Interior lightings of an EQS ? Does any brand have a Mercedes Benz Hyper Screen ? Does any brand Have a 3 Pointed Silver Star for their Badge ? Not any brand can just smack their logo onto an electric Mercedes just because you don’t like its design. Try again, you sound more like a fake “Mercedes lover” .. Mercedes has designed the EQS to be luxurious (which it is I’ve been in many) smooth ride (I daily drive a Tesla and compared, Gotta say Mercedes has done ev suspension PERFECTLY) and good to handle. The short front end is for better visibility and easier handling, I LOVE how it looks like a bubble, and the wheels are insane🔥. The EQB SUV looks great too, the Mercedes EV Headlight and taillight designs look very space shipy. A gear tunnel has always been a design flaw that could never be ignored and everyone hates, now that it’s gone in EV’s, more leg room and cleaner look on the inside !

[@elbillar77]

@@cry.martini I respect your opinion, especially since we are talking about design, which is a subjective matter. I don't criticise the tech on the EQ models, just the design. I believe Mercedes should have put more effort in the design. It makes sense aerodynamically and it's practical as a BEV but it is very generic and I stand by that you can slap any badge on it and it would't make a difference. And I think the S-Class is more luxurious.

[@ProfZoomer]

They did a really good job. I thought they would never make something uglier than the E60, and here it is. Congratulations BMW 👏👏

[@effa114]

“Guys, guys, guys” killed me. Perfectly captured.

[@mrki412]

I don't like it in any aspect, BMW is going down comparing it to Japanese cars. I love that you are honest with rating plastics and design flaws. P.S. Will you review Rimac Nevera?

[@faheemabbas3965]

This new generation of China-inspired German car design sucks. Even Porsche said recently that Chinese car brands’ “futuristic” design is making them consider going down the same path. NO NO NO!

[@MrMSwick]

CPR on the BMW had me cracking up. Carson missing the shot was fabulous. Flappy Birds is difficult. Not sure that this car deserves a M badge.

[@sketchyskys6503]

5 series the best of both world prove me wrong, LUXURYY AND TORQUE/SPEED I’m so happy to see that again in the new 5 series :) not dissapointed with this one.

[@Captain_Coleslaw]

That THX shit is fucking hilarious!!!

[@myplaxismodelisbetterthanyours]

Thanks for the review! Can't decide between this and a RAV4, but this review gets me a little closer to the decision 🤞

[@protocetid]

crossovers are lame

[@myplaxismodelisbetterthanyours]

@@protocetid ok then I'll get a Corolla 😎

[@protocetid]

@@myplaxismodelisbetterthanyours unironcally better simply for the fact that it will make the roads safer for people who drive small cars like the Miata, just try to not fall asleep at the wheel of that snoozemobile heh

[@myplaxismodelisbetterthanyours]

@@protocetid if I option it with adaptive cruise control, then I can still nap while driving. So, win win

[@futurehofer1564]

this car grew so much on me, it looks young and refreshing cant lie

[@PierreCox97]

From “Super Driver Focus” to “Cameraman”, Carston leveled up yea 👌🏿😂🔥

[@ankitpsk]

I JUST got a fully loaded 2021 CPO M550i and man am I glad I did. I wanted to get a v8 before it was too late and I think I made the right choice.

[@zee9276]

Carson missing the shot had me in fits 😂😂😂

[@jacobrev6567]

The Intro is Never Change at all 😂👍

[@Bongz187]

The V8 is slowly dying 😢

[@faheemabbas3965]

And planned obsolescence is growing.

[@TassieLorenzo]

Correct. They are bad for CAFE MPG averages. At least when you put them in a passenger car anyway (e.g., Dodge paying $200m USD in CAFE fines for all the Chargers and Challengers they sold). Using a V8 is not so bad in "light trucks" as they have a ~35% higher MPG allowance for a given footprint (wheelbase x track).

[@Bongz187]

@@TassieLorenzo fair point, but honestly when I got a V8 last thing on my mind was MPG and that's most people buying a V8

[@ThePwig]

omg the shot of the cameraman being surprised by the car going by and then getting a terrible shot. chef's kiss

[@JohnJohnson-dv1ds]

I’ve owned six 5ers. I finally got tired of the weight. Don’t get me wrong, these are good cars. Now I love my 2023 230i. Not a great light weight but yards ahead of the 5.

[@protocetid]

A Giulia is lighter than the heaviest E60.

[@adamwright9741]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I say the reason you had trouble closing the hood is because you forgot to push back down on the inside plastic part to snap it back in... If I'm right do I get a prize?... A 5 series maybe?😊

[@ISO-guys]

Love the parting shot”made a perfect Lexus”

[@shingiraimusinga3571]

Those front lights don’t fit the front face that really bothers me but the back is pretty good

[@gavriushka]

At this point Throttle House should change their motto to Car Reviews Upgraded. These are bloody brilliant!

[@asharak84]

Comparing with the Lucid Air feels like the most damning option - the Air just seems like the better car. Not just on range.

[@seifosama7]

I think this new 5 series will be the first 5 series in history to be worse than the pervious gen

[@doug6191]

Have you driven earlier versions? Go back to the late 90s and drive a 540 or, if lucky, an M5.

[@seifosama7]

@@doug6191 what i mean is when bmw makes a new gen they always improves it from the previous one, im not saying that this new one is worst of them all but what i think is they didn’t improve from the pervious gen, its just my opinion im not saying its a fact

[@Ramsi-Berlin]

This cheap plastic in the interior, is a shame ❕ It's sad what's going on with the German car manufacturers, with exception of Porsche 😅 I would by a Kia or Hyundai...as German guy 😜 What VW, BMW and Mercedes build over the last 10-15 years , isn't the quality what I expected...if you know the W124/126/140 from Mercedes.. This was quality ❣️ Maybe I'm an old school boomer 🤷🏻‍♂️😂🤣

[@papa_pt]

No. After/when F10 came out is when BMW started losing almost every comparison. That's when steering feel disappeared.

[@Ramsi-Berlin]

Love from Berlin 🇩🇪 Ramsi 😘

[@radiant8327]

Did he just say "prolapsed bunghole"?'🤣😭

[@jankohrajko]

"Why is it Gray 2? Because its a sequel." Had me laughing way more than it has any right to 😄

[@colinperry8923]

I have a Cadenza… probably why I like it 😅 Kia has vehicles in 5 series price range now with “luxury” amenities. Premium is all in the name now. Great vid guys .

[@nihalshah1367]

You guys just nailed with the intro. It sums up the change in BMW's development from driver's car to a driven's car. I love BMWs' but except for these newer generations with the funky designs and funky interior. And what the heck happened to the Gear Shift lever where is itttt????? I loved the old Gear shift Lever the 5 Series had. And you call that a car true driving enthusiast would love? In essence of capturing more market BMW is loosing its brand image from the most valuable of its customer "The Enthusiasts" - Where are the physical knobs for climate control - As mentioned where is the ESC button The list ain't short.... Few years back we guys were arguing about the big kidney grills these car had, well now this is the least of the concern because BMW is shifting its priority to luxury and want to be Mercedes Benz.

[@spdcrzy]

Hard pass on the hidden vents. Not being able to adjust the vents to fire exactly where you want them is one of THE MOST frustrating parts of modern luxury cars. That would be a dealbreaker for me at ANY price point. See: Blazer EV. They did it right.

[@HDHQDIRECT]

Exactly, they took something so simple that works perfectly and complicated it and added another point of failure with motors.

[@TassieLorenzo]

I thought the Tesla range only has indirect vents too, am I mistaken?

[@spdcrzy]

@@TassieLorenzo another reason I will never buy a Tesla.

[@afterace]

So they made a Lexus without the Lexus reliability 😂 Glad someone pointed out the cheap feeling door cards. I was checking the car out yesterday at the dealership and had the same impression.

[@katman042]

I own a 2018 M550i and am planning on getting a new car in 2024. It won’t be this car. I drive long distance some times (200 miles+) and electric cars are not really ready to be anything other than commuter cars at the moment. They need to go longer distance in real world driving conditions, charge faster and have many, many more fast charging stations.

[@jamesfynnhere6983]

You are objectively wrong. I used the lowest range Tesla to drive from Miami to NYC in two days with a good sleep at a hotel that night. New Model S has 400 Miles of range and is both quicker and significantly less cost than your M550i was.

[@satyakammisra]

Electric cars are for city driving. I am in Asia - have BMW 5 series (540) long wheelbase and it’s our chauffeured one. The extended 5 series is only available here in China and Asia. Have 2 small BYD electric city cars what wife and I drive inside Shanghai. Only fools in US and some in west drive expensive heavy EV. The whole purpose of EV is lost.

[@EwanM11]

​@@satyakammisrai think it depends on where you live and the journeys you're likely to make. My EV will easily do more than 200 miles in a journey but there are plenty of chargers so i don't need a lot left in the battery when i reach my destination. My daily commute is about 130 miles return and that would cost a lot if i was using a petrol car with similar performance. If you want to stick with BMW i think you'll need to wait another generation, if you were set on going EV you'd need to choose another brand like Tesla or Lucid (if you're in the US).

[@cfoote2667]

@@jamesfynnhere6983 you did that by planning your route around charging stations, which is inconvenient and a waste of time. I don't want to sit playing on my phone for 2 hours while my car charges.

[@jamesfynnhere6983]

@@cfoote2667 You are beyond ignorant. The car automatically creates the route (and gives alternate route options) with optimal charging factored in (based on real-time data), it was the exact route I'd have taken in any other vehicle and I didn't charge more then 25mins at any point...

[@ruk2023--]

It says boost because BMW couldn't figure out what to do with a spare gear shift paddle without having to redesign the steering column for the electric models. It was probably the best bad option they had.