Chapter 12: The Patronus | Prisoner of Azkaban

[@igorsviben611]

They checked The Firebolt for curses in about 5 minutes, and the rest of the time they were just flying it. We are talking about McGonagall and Flitwick, they are competent enough to sort it out fast and easy. They are also big fans of Quiddich and flying and like everybody else they were probably drooling over the Firebolt (in a dignified way) Nothing can convince me that this wasn't how it went

[@domakliu]

i can see that😂

[@kimgrod]

😂

[@jeremytung1632]

I read a fanfiction that explained that they investigated the firebolt so throughly that they basically damaged it beyond repair so to save face they had to order a new one.

[@ColemanMulkerin]

As someone who agrees Harry should have been a Teacher, I choose to believe that he did end up teaching after a 20-30 year career as an Auror. Wizards live long enough. It allows him to have more adventures and hone his skills and then have a more peaceful existence later in life. Though I do like the idea of a Teacher Harry going off on occasional adventures like Indiana Jones.

[@kiminimuchu__]

Exactly! It doesn't make sense for Harry to become a teacher fresh out of school. He'd be a much better teacher if he became one after retiring as an auror (which they seem to do relatively young in wizard ages). By then he'd be much more experienced in the subject.

[@PcCAvioN]

My headcanon. I lost all respect for certain music schools when I learned someone who had just graduated the program was immediately hired as a voice teacher. At the collegiate level you should have a professional career to base your authority on

[@LangThoughts]

2024 is only 27 years after 1997, when the Battle of Hogwarts took place.

[@sawanna508]

Also it could cause difficulties if he would teach his own children at school.

[@Kylie-kq6dm]

I think it's Canon that Harry does teach some DADA lessons as an adult

[@thirteenthandy]

One thought about Harry vs Lupin teaching the Patronus Charm: Harry trained against the terror of a Boggart-as-Dementor under Lupin's instruction and never had a problem bringing his Patronus forth when facing real Dementors later. Hermione trained in a stress-free classroom under Harry's instruction and it's one of the only spells she ever had a problem getting to work when it mattered as Harry commented on during the battle at the Ministry. Given this, I have to think Lupin had a reason for how he chose to teach it. The purpose is to repel Dementors, not just to produce a cool looking animal to admire.

[@alexandercharizard3617]

Agreed, but also Dementors cause Anxiety and Depression and Hermione had always had the weakness of keeping her cool under pressure (Looking for wood when trying to burn the Devils Snare, for example)

[@fernansanchez6331]

Yeah. Harry might have thought on that, because he told the D.A "We need a boggart, so we can practice it with a dementor"

[@zerowolf42]

I'm 95% sure that the reason hermione couldn't produce the charm during their ministry mission was because she had just taken the locket from umbridge, and even holding the locket, let alone wearing it, messes with your emotions and wont let you cast a patronus. Something we see happen to Harry himself, as he was unable to cast one when sneaking into a village to buy food. So i think it isnt a matter of harry's teaching skill thats at fault

[@thirteenthandy]

@@zerowolf42 That makes sense, but at the same time Harry did say she has trouble with the spell.

[@Martyn_Wolf]

Hermione is highly logical so she's going to intellectulize any and all emotions, for her "feeling" something happy won't come that quickly for her.

[@kiminimuchu__]

1:19:00 I'm sorry, but no, just no. Ron had every righ to be absolutely furious with Hermione, and the fact that she has the audacity to be mad at him given that all the evidence points to her pet killing his (at that point of the story) is appaling. It's impossible to defend Hermione's behavior in this book, she's been a horrible friend and pet owner this entire book. If my pet kept constantly trying to attack my friend's pet I'd be horrified and do everything possible to make sure that didn't happen, meanwhile Hermione takes her cat into their dorm and then proceeds to be mad at Ron when her cat obviously attacks him. Hermione is just straight up an awful friend to Ron in this book and there's simply no defending her. Ron has every right to be mad at her in this moment and trying to diminish it because "it's just a rat", or because we know what happens later in the story, is absurd. That's his pet that he's been diligently taking care of the entire year, it's not "just a rat", it's his beloved pet. You wouldn't say "it's just a dog" if something happened to your dog. A pet is a pet.

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

THANK YOU! I'm so glad someone said this! It's even worse when you realise Scabbers is a gift from Ron's older brother and has been in his family for years

[@VoidNull9222]

Exactly! Hermione’s “cats eat rats” defense falls apart because it doesn’t acknowledge that the rat in question is also a pet. I’m not saying this is a bad thing, Hermione having a flaw and later learning and apologizing for her mistake is a positive from a storytelling standpoint. But she is def in the wrong here

[@chicgeek6773]

Agreed! Hermione's attitude and behaviour regarding the Scabbers/Crookshanks scenario are straight-up disgusting.

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

I just got to that part of the video and literally had to read this comment again just to not click off. They're so dismissive of Ron's feelings for no good reason that it actually annoyed rhe hell out of me

[@the_vik_king]

Yeah, they defend Hermione too much here. I get that she is stressed with all her classes, but still. She is shown to be the most emotionally intelligent in later books, so she should understand the simple fact that keeping her cat in check can save their friendship

[@theharoldsshow]

Technically Lavender’s life line would be longer than Harry’s because he was born so late into the school year that he is 17 when he dies, rather than 18, which is how old Lavender is

[@xAbbieCx13]

That's such a good point!

[@takumi2023]

Also according to a quick google search, she dies in st mungo's 19 days later. So technically harry dies first.

[@jordy9096]

Yeah my only thing is that surely Cedric had this class like 3 years earlier and she would’ve seen his short lifeline no?

[@takumi2023]

@@jordy9096 do we know Cedric took divination?

[@jordy9096]

@@takumi2023 actually no, fair point. Let’s just hope Colin creevy didn’t do it the following year, that would be a shock indeed.

[@hamster4810]

Sorry which cafe in London doesn’t serve coffee 😂 I’m impressed you even managed to find that

[@KingOfMelos]

Thought, Peter probably saw Crookshanks take the passwords from Neville's bed side. He might've seen Crookshanks interact with Sirius' animagus form during the night and realized that it's time to relocate because it was only a matter of time before Sirius would break in. That's why he chose this particular time to fake his death again

[@ShirleyLestrade]

That’s a good point.

[@jordanpotter258]

For the "Can Myrtle count for making a horcrux?" question, I think the act of making a soul leave a body; whether truly killing, or they choose to be a ghost; would rip your soul, and you could make a horcrux.

[@darrenbabcock8001]

My thoughts exactly. It's the intent that rips the piece of soul that Voldy uses for the diary horcrux; he uses a piece of HIS soul, not hers, for that.

[@NataliaNal]

Also, isn't it that "he's (Nick) never truly learn what death is" more than "never truly died"? cause that's kinda different - he died but didn't fully "experience" it, he wasn't fully aware of what is after death and came back to the living, even if not alive; therefore Myrtle did die and her death is very much okay for the horcrux-making

Intent is definitely relevant. Dumbledore's elaborate book 6 plan was not only for the elder wand, but also to not break any souls. Snape mercy-killing Dumbledore has supposedly kept his soul whole.

[@lonelyprince0]

also worth noting that Tom never did it himself, he ordered his pet to do it. So I think the intent is what's relevant here I think the requirement should be more like "the malice one must have to intentionally cause the death of another will rip the soul apart" and this idea then also fits well with how remorse will cause the soul to be whole again

[@niagargoyle]

Honestly, I have more issues with the basilisk being the method of splitting Voldemort’s soul than I have about Myrtle becoming a ghost.

[@willodelljr.4909]

1:04:02 color me biased from hindsight, but it really sounds like a "slightly twisted smile" could reference the bitter irony of something so horrible being given a name like "Kiss" a word with typically good connotations. His smile is is one of incredulity Edit: wow, shoulda just waited a few seconds for Ben to confirm just that

[@MadHymek323]

One thing about the DADA classes issue is that in the UK, we usually have two timetables - one for one week and one for another, and it alternates which week it's on Usually after coming back from a break it would be on the opposite week to what you left on, so if they finished before Christmas on the week that has Thursday DADA, they may have come back to Tuesday DADA (thus Lupin's arrangement of Thursday also makes more sense because that's way sooner than the following week)

[@adriannacmielewski4457]

It’s always been my understanding that it’s both Harry & Voldemort reliving their worst memory. That’s partially why he can remember so much. Because Harry was 1. How much of that night can he recall that vividly?

[@PerovNigma]

Absolutely nothing. If there's one thing I remember from the memory part of my Psychology A-Level, it's that you can't retain permanent memories (at least, pertaining to experiences; you could still learn to eat and say a few words) before the age of three.

[@macksl0p3zvods87]

The description Remus gives of being a person without self, to me, feels like something he can relate to being a werewolf. Where unless he takes the wolfsbane potion he loses control and becomes feral losing his sense of self. Giving him perspective on not wanting to have someone else experience the helplessness of not being one’s self while alive. Love the show

[@viccie211]

1:34:30 always great to hear my pompous boy Ernie McMillan showing up with speaking lines again!

[@jamma.77]

Wow, you guys must've never owned pets before. "It's just a rat," are you serious? What, are you gonna say Hedwig's, "Just a bird," when we get to Deathly Hallows, as well? Also, put aside for a moment that you know what's actually going on, and acknowledge that Hermione has spent the entire book not caring that Crookshanks has repeatedly tried to eat Scabbers, actively brought him into the boys' dormitory and ignored Ron's perfectly reasonable attempt to remove him, then doubles down and spends weeks refusing to apologise when he finds pretty damning evidence that Crookshanks has finally killed Scabbers. Also, saying Ron should just "chill the F out" and not be upset when his pet has seemingly been *killed* was just insensitive, no two ways about it.

[@aryadne2004]

In case anyone wanted to cry, I would just like to remind everyone that, out of all of the Marauders, Peter was the one who got to spend the most time with Harry.

[@aryadne2004]

And James spent the least

[@Martyn_Wolf]

Why would you that make anyone cry?

The least was probably Sirius (little bits in books 3 to 5, plus most of the summer in book 5), followed by Lupin (little bits in books 3 to 7, plus regular and extra lessons in book 3), then James (more than a full year, a lot of that permanently staying in the same house) and then Peter the most (little bits in books 4 and 7, plus all the time in dorm, common room, train and more in books 1-3, maybe even classes, considering that Neville brought his pet to potions class at least once). But it is actually quite close. I think Harry spends even less time with Dumbledore than any of the four, only at most a few hours each time, probably less than 50 times in total. The people he spends the most time with are certainly Petunia and Dudley (all the time from ages 1 to 6 or 7, all the non-school time from then to age 11, then most of each summer until age 17, Vernon is often away for work). During the books it could be interesting to figure out if it was Ron or Hermione. Afterwards it is probably Ginny.

[@aliceanne3952]

So much research, love it! Still sad to think that even though Harry spent a whole year with his parents, it's not like most people retain memory from their first year of life. They spent it with him, but he doesn't get to remember and enjoy that.

There was no research there, just memory. I am not even able to do proper research, since I sold my Harry Potter books and am unable to find some of my audio books.

[@keithschnipke2919]

I like to think Lupin was looking in Filtch's filing cabinet to see if he could recover the Marauders Map. Then he can keep an eye on the castle and grounds for Sirius. Trying to see him entering the castle. Circle back to earlier when Fred and George say they took it from a cabinet..

[@mienfu9824]

It's weird that Lupin didn't tell Dumbledore about the Map. There's an object that could potentially reveal Harry's location to Sirius, and Lupin doesn't even talk to Dumbledore about it?

[@keithschnipke2919]

@@mienfu9824 I would second this as well! He says he didn't tell him because it'd reveal he broke Dumbledore's trust but..if you knew/thought someone was actively trying to kill Harry 🤷🏼‍♂️😅 kinda feels like doing something dumb in your youth isn't the problem at that point lol

[@Cailus3542]

​@@mienfu9824 Lupin himself admits that he was ashamed. Dumbledore made a special exception to get him into Hogwarts, including taking care of him when he transformed. Explaining the map meant explaining all the hijinks that the Marauders got into, which Remus considered a betrayal of Dumbledore's trust. Remus is a good man, but even he has his flaws, failing to muster the courage to tell the truth.

[@mienfu9824]

@@Cailus3542 He didn't have to tell him about them being animagi or what they did, just the fact that this map exists and is probably somewhere in Hogwarts.

[@PrincessCookie777]

​@@keithschnipke2919He probably didn't think Harry was actually in danger, he doesn't seem like nearly as concerned about the break ins as the other teachers, despite caring the most for Harry. I have a hard time believing, if he truly believed Harry's life was at risk, he wouldn't have spoken up.

[@lilpiper1234]

I always assumed Lupin taught Harry that way because accessing happy memories is harder when under dementor effects and Harry plans to potentially use the patronus very soon against actual dementors. So him knowing how to do it without the dementors is less conducive to learning very fast. With the DA they didn’t expect dementors at school so they could take it slower.

[@thirteenthandy]

I wonder how accurate Muggle Studies class is. It seems like it would be super rare for any muggle-born to attend, so I can picture Hermione constantly struggling with whether to give the "right answer" as taught in the class or giving the "correct answer" and contradicting the teacher.

[@finkiusmaximus]

Do we know anything about Professor Burbage's blood status? She might know about Muggles from both sides.

[@thirteenthandy]

@@finkiusmaximus Good point! Maybe it's even a requirement that Muggle Studies teachers have experience living in the Muggle world. That does seem likely, at least under Dumbledore. Maybe not previous headmasters.

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

When I was in High School, my US History teacher was LDS (Mormon) and when she taught the Mormon Trail and settlement of Utah, people were pestering her with questions about her beliefs and her faith's history, showing WAY more interest in the subject than any previous year studying the same thing, or even more than studying other similar movements earlier that year. Just knowing the teacher knows more than even the average history teacher got people interested. I think it would be awesome to have a muggle born getting the same kind of general curiosity as they teach. Juat imagine when Arthur was in school. He probably could have figured out the proper function of a rubber duck decades earlier.

[@shrapnollr]

@@jaredwonnacott9732gonna be straight up, the Mormons don’t generally have an accurate idea of the details of their church’s history. The story they are taught has been changed and/or spun to make the church and the actions of some of its members a lot less despicable. Their own records even contradict the story that’s actually taught in church. Things like the burning on the printing press, how the night Joseph smith died went down, how their Book of Mormon was supposedly translated, etc. Source: grew up in the church, and left after I learned more about the church So while that might normally be a good idea, it’s unlikely that your teacher actually had accurate knowledge in this particular case

[@thirteenthandy]

@@jaredwonnacott9732 That would be great. Unfortunately so many wizards are raised with anti-muggle beliefs, or at the very least a sense that muggles are a bit pathetic and not worth learning from.

[@seancochran6108]

The professors are just test driving the fire bolt the entire time

[@CrazyMuggleGirl]

I always thought the twisted smile in regards to the Dementor’s Kiss was merely Lupin scoffing a little at the cutesy kiss part of it when it’s nothing like a kiss. It’s a misnomer for what actually occurs. So he’s just kind of chuckling at the sick dark irony of the naming itself.

[@6666Imperator]

Yes and I think he still has conflicted feelings for Sirius. On one hand you have many fond memories of your best friend who helped you through a lot but then again he betrayed you and your other friends.

[@6666Imperator]

Yes! Plus I think the feelings for Sirius are also conflicting for him because of what they have been through vs the betrayal

[@aryadne2004]

1. It always stuck out to me why Harry thinking about flying with the broomstick doesn't work as a happy memory but I think I have figured it out: It's not so much about the joy being shallow, I think since the Dementors are meant to be a representation of derpression, depression is not something you can just beat by flying/winning the House Cup or doing something really cool to get a rush of andrenaline and dopamine, it also has to contain the idea of love somehow; this is in line with Book 7 when Harry is thinking about Ron and Hermione to cast a Patronus and his heart fills with warmth and love, also the whole thing with Snape's Patronus as well as the overarching theme of love being the strongest power of all the books. I would also theorize that this is why Lupin can cast a Patronus while Sirius can't. Lupin says in Prisoner of Azkaban that the full moons spent with the Marauders during their school years, roaming the Forbidden Forest were the best times of his life, so we have some idea of what he thinks about when he is casting a Patronus and we can also assume that Sirius probably thinks about the same thing. But one can cast a Patronus and the other can't. I think it is because Remus felt so moved and loved and accepted by his friends becoming animagi for him and comdortable in his wolf-form for the first time in his life. For him, those memories are full of love but Sirius can't cast a Patronus because the same memories for him are more of a superficial high, the troublemakers troublemaking. 2. It is absolutely devastating that Harry is so desperate to know his family that he wants to literally keep hearing them die. Harry's grief is not very present in the previous 2 books. The revelation of Sirius Black's betrayal of his parents is I've always thought the moment it clicks for Harry because he had always taken it as fact that his parents had died in the hands of Voldemort; he was a powerful wizard, it's what he did, they didn't have any chance against him, but now with the revelation of the betrayal Harry realizes for the first time that things could have been different. There was a way to avoid this, if his parents hadn't trusted the wrong person. It's the first time he realized that he WAS actually robbed of something: a family, a childhood. Which then makes it all the more admirable that he didn't want Peter killed, considering Peter did a worse crime than what Sirius allegedly did; Peter betrayed the Potters, framed Sirius which ultimately is the thing that got Harry to end up with the Dursleys AND he pretended to be a rat for 3 years WITH HARRY there AND HE RECEIVED THE ORDER OF MERLIN

[@Kylie-kq6dm]

I absolutely agree. The happy memory is what keeps you going. Harry's happy memory is having the chance for a better life at Hogwarts, then like you said fighting for Ron & Hermione and lastly the Hope of winning the battle of Hogwarts

[@cptjeff1]

Guys, Myrtle and Nick are both dead. Nick is just saying his soul didn't get the full experience of death and the final passage into the beyond, but trying to explain that in approachable terms. The ax still killed him and Voldy still killed Myrtle. Also, we know that Hornby lived because Myrtle tells us she got a restraining order against Myrtle after Myrtle went just ever so slightly overboard. Myrtle never got a chance to grow up and get an adult perspective on teenage crap, I guess.

[@aproposreeve]

Lavender Brown's death is movie exclusive, while the book left it vague as if she could have survived Greybacks attack

[@amusegoose]

I was very surprised to hear Lavender’s death cited as if it were a fact in this episode. The only book information we have is that she stirred (UK) or struggled (US) feebly after falling off the balcony/being momentarily attacked by Greyback before he was thrown back by Hermione’s spell. There’s no conclusive book episode that she was killed.

[@aliceanne3952]

Yes! I'm frustrated when they mention Lavender's death like it's written somewhere. First time they did it (previous to this episode) I really went to pull my book out and comb page by page

[@josiemitchell547]

It's not necessarily specified in the books but it is in outside information I think.

[@aliceanne3952]

@@josiemitchell547 it was mentioned in an article on the wizard world website that has since been deleted, so doesn't look like it's canon

[@midbellman]

One thing that you stated that intrigued me was that you found it interesting that Harry and Voldemort had the same worst memory, but after I thought about it...this memory was Voldemort's and only Voldemort's...not Harry's. We can surmise this because Harry would not of had any cogitative memory at this time, this is the first time Harry remembers hearing his mom and his dad wasn't even in the same room. If he did have a memory of this and he had a realization that his parents are truly dead as stated in the books, then he would have saw the Thestrals in the Fourth Book. So when the Dementor is approaching Harry, it is not Harry that is reacting, but Voldemort's soul part that is. We see Voldemort's other souls having certain sentience and self preservation about them. So I wonder, since Harry technically has 2 souls in him and the soul that is most effected by the dementors is Voldemort's, if I Dementor would have kissed Harry would it have just sucked Voldemort's soul out and left Harry's. The Dementor would have no reason to keep on attacking Harry, because this is probably the only case ever, or at the very least that the dementor's would have encountered, someone has 2 souls. Harry would have been passed out and unconscious at the time of the kiss. Think of the shock everyone would of had when Harry would have woke up, fairly normal. The boy who can survive the killing curse and the Dementor's Kiss. Truly the Boy who lived. Interesting theory.

[@darthpotato3566]

I think Harry's patronus being a stag is almost time turner cyclic logic. He doesn't know his father was a deer animagus, he has no reason to manifest it like that, until he thinks it's what his Dad's patronus looked like. His patronus is a deer because that's what saved him, and then he uses said deer to save himself in an endless loop of cause and effect with no beginning or end

[@lacklustermathie]

Harry doesn't recognise that the patronus is a stag when it saves him from the dementors, only later after he casts it and drives the dementors off. Dumbledore also noticed that Harry's patronus was a stag during the Ravenclaw Quidditch match, and remembers that when Sirius explained that he and his friends became Animagi. A stag represents Harry's father, regardless of whether Harry knows that fact.

[@fhbirsidha]

1:26:57 I think the hundreds of years that passed after their death is what calmed the ghosts down. Martle is the youngest ghost we know and she IS crazy

[@GrantDolanMusic]

My head cannon is that there is only 8 Gryffindors Harry’s year due to the war, but there is at least twice as many Slytherins. This is why a lot of their classes are shared with Slytherin to balance out the class size.

[@zimonzieclown1633]

That's only a movie thing.

[@PcCAvioN]

​@@zimonzieclown1633 they regularly have classes with the slytherins???

[@zimonzieclown1633]

@@PcCAvioN They have Care of Magical Creatures with the Slytherins in both the books and movies, and of course starting year 6 but nothing else.

[@cptjeff1]

Potions is always with slytherins.

[@IskandrArchive]

Yeah my headcanon has always been a slightly disproportionate amount of slytherins compared to the other houses at this time just due to who could have been killed in the most recent war.

[@ailynrenee1796]

Name: Harry Potter Order: Firebolt Payment: Vault # (Sirius') Deliver to: Hogwarts Mystery solved.... It even mentions order forms in this chapter.

[@whomigazone]

The vault number is actually noted in the British version of the books, but not in the USA edition (711, I believe)

[@maja-kehn9130]

Since it is the Black family vault could Nacissa, Bellatrix and Andromeda also get access to it?

[@DisneyLuver97]

I just compiled most of your J vs Ben questions into a giant quiz (it’s over 1400 questions!) and one of them IS “where did Harry practice the patronus charm” so that’s really funny

[@Margaret-yv9ed]

Respect, @DisneyLuver97, respect.

[@DisneyLuver97]

@@Margaret-yv9ed the only ones I didn’t do were “select all that apply” cuz I did no multiple choice options, and anything where the question was too vague or worded weird or they debated the answer too much

[@Tylerthephantom]

In defense of Lupin's teaching method here, I shall quote Peter B. Parker. "Everybody knows that the best way to learn is under intense, life-threatening pressure. "

[@jmace2424]

Yes, I think the smile on Lupin’s Face at “Dementor’s Kiss” is over the irony of the name. The sweet and loving sounding word for a vile depression monster ripping your soul out of your mouth.

[@caleblefevre3675]

Nick became a ghost because he was afraid of moving on. That’s why he said Sirius would never become a ghost

[@blodwyn1808]

I love that I’ve watched every episode of this show and have only now noticed Hedwig hiding behind bens chair 😂

[@hpfan]

Okay, I know you guys like Harry and Hermione together, but your take on Ron at the end of this is surprisingly unfair. The evidence presented is solid at the point from a man who successfully framed someone for his murder once before to an entire adult wizarding world, let alone two preteen kids. It’s clear the entire book Crookshanks is after him, and Harry even points this out in the text itself. Furthermore, to Ron, Scabbers is his pet, and it looks like his pet has been killed by this cat whose owner has been dismissing his concern all year. And she continues to be defensive after this. They both apologize later, but to view Ron (and subsequently view Harry’s friendship with him at the point) the way you did here is frustrating.

[@sawanna508]

A couple of hair and some blood is no hard evidence at all it's mostly circumstantial evidence which isn't very strong. If Crookshanks had really been there there must be more hair on that bed. I never understood why they assumed Scabbers got eaten because it was still plausible that he got away and was hiding some where. I was alway more annoyed about all the drama (but also later on when they quarreled) and even Harry tells Ron later on he should leave Hermione alone. Adn later on it dose turn out that the boys were wrong. Crookshanks is just another creature rongfully blamed for something it didn't do. This is huge theme in this book.

[@14zapotokw]

​@@sawanna508What do you mean some hair and blood isn't enough evidence to assume a rat got killed my a cat. It's not like cats rip apart animals to make a huge mess. I'd say it's makes perfect sense to assume scanners was eaten

[@y345vash9]

​@@sawanna508🙄

[@thekicker2517]

​@@sawanna508"hair and blood isn't enough evidence" you realize hair and blood is enough evidence to get humans convicted of murder right?

[@PerovNigma]

When J drew attention to Harry's successful Patronus coming from learning he was magic, I thought he was going to say that it worked because learning that would be a rare moment of joy in Voldemort's life too.

[@ryutak777]

BRILLIANT COMMENT! I like this a lot

[@CatherineBurk]

Peter knows that crookshanks took the passwords and is scared that serious is coming for him so he comes up with the plan to escape.

[@ludairewah5937]

I think Myrtle coming back as a ghost doesn't interfere with horcrux creation because it's the act of murder that splits your soul, not the death itself. Intention definitely is the thing that matters. It makes you wonder if attempted murder might also split the soul.

[@princess_mj4396]

I think this is a really good check point for Ron and Hermione's characters as later we will see Hermione start to allow more risks but when in real dangerous situations when Harry needes checking Ron starts to take Hermione's side more often

[@boilerfan18]

I always assumed the reason the boggart dementor made Harry hear his parents was because it’s the experience of fear Harry is afraid of, not just the appearance of a dementor.

[@VenaCava]

About Lupin asking about Thursday, in the UK, or at least in my secondary school, we had 2 Week Timetables, so one week would have a different schedule to the next week and then the week after that would go back to the first week. So maybe harry had a different schedule every week.

[@VenaCava]

Or maybe they had a totally unique schedule every week and the paper their given at the start of the year changes to show the new schedule, because Magic and it doesn't have to make sense.

[@salatsanxDD]

You had me crying at the thought of harry trying to catch the snitch from the ground hahahahah

[@zimonzieclown1633]

1:12:48 Cho rides a Comet 260 (PoA, Chapter 13).

[@codydues8708]

I'm glad someone pointed that out lol

[@nerdpocalypse5004]

The first thing that Harry thinks of to feel a sense of happiness is flying that is how important flying is to him and he associates flying with quidditch so of course Harry is constantly worried about not being able to play he doesn't have a lot sources for joy in his life

[@AlexaOrchid]

The twisted smile is about the fact that it's called a dementor's *kiss* specifically.

[@Zisgemx]

So here's a question. In the last book, Harry finds that half of a letter from his mother to Surius in Grimauld Place. When she wrote the letter, she and James and Harry were already under the Charm at their house with Wormtail as their secret keeper. But she says their neighbor, Bathilda Bagshot, came over for a visit. So presumably, Wormtail would have had to tell Bathilda the secret in order for her to come over. So if Bathilda knew that Wormtail was secret keeper and not Sirius, why did she never speak up to anyone about that when everyone was assuming it was Sirius who betrayed James and Lilly?

[@JessicaClark-lq4gw]

Perhaps she wasn't directly told by Peter himself. What if, similar to how Harry is informed of 12 Grimmauld Place, Peter wrote a note to Bathilda with the information which was then presented to her by Sirius. That way she would have the info but still be unclear on who the secret keeper actually was.

[@nathans9764]

We don't know that they were under the charm yet. The only canon date given for the Fidelius charm is "then, barely a week after the spell was cast..." by Fudge. Sure, he wasn't part of the spell being cast, but he's currently at the highest levels of government AND had Dumbledore's testimony about when the Potters were planning to do it.

[@lacklustermathie]

I think the letter is evidence that they were not under the Fidelius charm at the time. If they were, why would Lily be writing to Sirius at all? She could just talk to him the next time he showed up for a visit, even if he couldn't make it on Harry's birthday specifically. I think it makes more sense that they were under some sort of protection which is inconvenient or time consuming to bypass. Bathilda Bagshod visits regularly because she's retired and can spend the whole day, but Sirius doesn't because he has work and/or Order obligations on most days. If your friends couldn't leave their house, and you lived next door (which wizards who can apparate effectively do), wouldn't you be stopping by most evenings after work, even if only for a few minutes? However, if you lived a half hour away, you'd probably resort to letter writing and only visit on a day off.

[@piusdoe8984]

Its fascinating to have a spell specifically for one creature since i think most spells are just user for many things. Bogart training could be used for so many things. Wizards really hate being efficient 😂 Bogart therapy with a trained professional would be revolutionary!

[@mcgspare1310]

This chapter is why I wonder why Harry can't see thestrals before Cedric's death. He hears (remembers) his parents' deaths, he processes them. . . what more is there to do to see them?

[@itsallme1234]

Judging by the memories Harry uses for Patronuses later, and what we know about souls, it seems like love works much better than happiness for conjuring a Patronus. Maybe Lupin was telling the truth when he said he was no expert.

[@cptjeff1]

Oh, a note on Hermionie's bag- I'm pretty sure they spell out at some point that the space expanding charms she uses are really advanced magic, which is why she's not doing it as a 3rd year. Conceivably, like whoever manufactures wizard tents, it's something you could build a career around doing if you were to set up a Diagon Alley storefront. If Hermionie was a lot less ambitious she'd probably make good money selling those handbags, and bookbags to rich kids like Malfoy.

[@xAbbieCx13]

I love how many new theories and just random ideas have been born from this podcast

[@skyesmith5683]

I download all the episodes for when I’m on the road so in between chapters I can listen to that pod episode so it’s like a companion guide

[@raoulmichels3109]

Great show guys! Do you think Remus snuck a quick peak into Filch's drawers to see if the Map was still there while looking for a boggart? He'd pretty easily narrow down the suspects as well. Do you think he might even be behind Fred and George giving the Map to Harry?

[@kyellverdonschot9922]

In Wood's defense, you need to realize that if Harry ends up simply not being able to play well enough with the dementors, then, yeah, it makes sense to get another seeker. The Snitch is way to important to just risk, especially if Harry could also be endangered at the same time

[@christopherwareham8955]

Coffee is a more popular beverage than tea in the UK as of 2022. 63% coffee to 59% tea. The fact that you managed to find a café in London that does not serve coffee is simply ASTOUNDING! Honestly, props to you!

[@kikkimori]

1:10:11 the moment I had to rewind to after thinking for 10 minutes straight about a "what if Snape was in Griffindoor" in the SCB style😂😂😂

[@LeaF-vo2mx]

But Jonathan's definitive and loud No to that question makes it seem unlikely that this could become a video

[@kikkimori]

@@LeaF-vo2mx yeah you're right, but it was fun arguing in my head how would they approach the subject.

[@Mreffs101]

Nick was afraid to die. He basically says as much to Harry. Makes sense why he might have chosen to be a ghost. Ripping the soul from the body is required to make a horcrux. Just because Myrtle decided to become a ghost doesn't mean Voldemort didn't separate her soul from her body, which is the only known requirement.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

The sharing bit is so true amongst kids! We came up with an answer in my family: first day stinginess. On the day one of us sisters got a gift, we had a whole day to have it all to ourselves before we were required to share. And each of us children respected that.

[@ulrikruby]

1:02:25 I think Lupin’s twisted smile is simply his reaction to this horrible action that takes away you soul, sharing a name with a sweet action that shares love.

[@adalbertbuchaniec1199]

Fun fact from the UK audiobook(with Stephen Fry narration): The Dementors Recollections have a nice echo effect which help impress these are very distant and painful memories. The US audiobook doesn’t have any effect, which is interesting. I have a cassettes of both narrations for Prisoner of Azkaban.

[@jmace2424]

Nick is saying he “Never truly died” because he is not at rest having gone on. But in Myrtle seeing the basilisk’s eyes and Nick being beheaded, they both did die in that their soul parted company from their bodies.

[@JohnEGreen-lv7no]

Shoutout to the editor who did an incredible job! - Love a loyal Yoke

[@mollydugan6144]

I also love animal group names. My favorite one -- apart from those you mentioned -- is a tower of giraffes

[@Margaret-yv9ed]

I love a clowder or clutter of cats and a conspiracy of ravens. Which of course means that if you have crows and ravens together, that’s a murder conspiracy.🤣

[@spankyavalon]

Happiness comes in 2 ways, akin to the types of memory, short term and long term. Short term happiness (or hedonic happiness) is doing something you enjoy, like a hobby. Long term happiness (eudaimonic happiness) is achieving something, learning something, or finishing something that will leave you feeling happy in the result or outcome. Harry learning he's a wizard would be a long term happiness. To be truly happy, sociologists say to do things that you enjoy doing WHILE making memories that will make you happy in the future.

[@EpicRandomness555]

39:00 I think the point is, yes Harry lost his parents… but then proceeded to be raised in a house full of people who hated him for 11 years + 2 summers. Not a lot of students have experienced something like that I would guess. That’s why Harry has trouble finding a happy memory.

[@jessicamarino7448]

I looooove the thought that both pieces of soul are being affected, and that's why the dementors affect Harry so much!!! I think this is new head cannon for me!

[@tinyman11991]

Maybe Draco isnt bragging because they won but didnt catch the snitch, the slytherin team play dirty so its not unreasonable they could be up 160-170 points and then cho caught the snitch

[@teaniery]

You guys' take on Ron's feelings about his pet being attacked is awful. Hermione is unequivocally in the wrong in this book regarding her atrocious behavior with her cat. She bought a pet that had just attacked her friend, and then proceeded to not show an ounce of care that her pet kept trying to attack her friend's pet. And also, "ït's just a rat"?!?! Guys, that's an absolutely godawful take on the situation. No, it's not just a rat, it's Ron's pet. If someone's pet attacks your pet to the point where everything points to your pet being killed due to pure negligence on their part, how would you feel if they just dismissed it as "it's just a animal, stop caring so much". That's such a stupid take.

[@nathans9764]

If someone's pet attacks your pet--whether it kills yours or not--it is generally taken away from you and put down. Hermione should be generally aware of this as a muggle, and yet she is very casual about her cat's repeated attempts on Scabbers. She even starts with "Crookshanks will stay in my dorm, what's the problem?" And then proceeds to not keep the cat in her dorm.

[@sawanna508]

@@nathans9764 Sorry no. If you have a cat that kills bird or rats even if they are owned by others it is not put down because it is in their nature. It maybe that you have to pay the owner of the other pet. -And about the other comment above: The evidence is actually very small. There was no mentioning of Crookshanks being near the dorm around that time. Also if he had truley wanted to kill Scabbers he could have done already.

[@teaniery]

​@@sawanna508 Crookshanks had openly been trying to attack Scabbers all year. Its hairs were on the dorm and that dorm gets cleaned daily, those hairs are clearly new. And it's Hermione's responsibility as the owner to ensure her cat does not try to attack other people's pets and stays away from them, which she clearly does not care to do, making her a terrible pet owner, and a terrible friend because she clearly shows zero empathy towards Ron's feelings regarding his pet. Her bringing her cat into their dorm was basically a slap in Ron's face. Hermione is a bad friend in this book and there's no pretending otherwise. Plus, there's blood all over Ron's bed, clearly indicating an attack, the hairs on the floor, and there's been one and only one animal trying to attack it all year. The evidence is glaring. Saying the evidence is small is a delusion, everything at that point points to it being Crookshanks and if Hermione was even remotely a decent friend she wouldn't act the way she did. There's no defending her actions in this book, she's a horrible pet owner and a terrible friend in this instance.

[@nathans9764]

​@@sawanna508if you have a cat that kills wild birds or rats, sure. But I am involved in the local rescue community, and animals get put down for this frequently. It's called animal aggression. A bite history or an attack history on someone else's owned pet is generally sufficient.

[@mariaana6710]

Thanks to Ben, now I have a new what if I never have or see before: What if Lily was a Ghost?

[@adamrabe3105]

For those who haven't seen the J Vlog where they go to London for Google to visit the HP museum (and get a surprise meeting with Sheamus Gorman, not Finnegan), it is a really fun watch. If you guys ever take "TTGD" on tour to London, gotta think that would bring back some good memories.

[@hannamouse1]

As a brit, I can confirm, you can definitely get coffee pretty much anywhere in the UK, and whatever this creepy mouse statue diner you went to was the exception, not the rule

[@Harry-Hartmann]

A Very Good Podcast 👍🏻

[@stecky87]

It does make me wonder how often Diagon Alleys' shops have a pet sent to get items that the people works at the Quidditch store didn't ask questions. That's a good point, occlamency should work, too

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

LOVE these! Thanks For this Guys! Amazing podcast

[@jeremytung1632]

Easily one of the most important chapters in the series.

[@richewilson6394]

I think it's importantance of the reflection of the memories that towards you in the present are what's most important to making you happy.

[@shrapnollr]

Reading this book, I’ve always really related to Harry trying desperately to remember a happy memory, but struggling to come up with one. I know what I would think of now, after a lot of contemplation, but there haven’t been many times I’ve actually felt happy, and most of those memories have been tainted by later events

[@shrapnollr]

Also, I’d add that what types of memories would be happy can differ drastically. I would not consider any memories involving my son to be positive ones, as I was mislead by my ex about how consistently she was taking her birth control, and had no real choice is his conception/birth. I never wanted kids, and had been clear about that, but I stuck around for the first couple of years. Everyone always says it’s different with your own kids, but I definitely didn’t experience that. I was absolutely miserable any time I was watching him. My happiest memory is very similar to Harry’s first attempt at a patronus, the first time I ever performed a song live on my drumset in front of an audience.

[@nickigoodbread6088]

Ooh, that head cannon at the end is so good! But, and I don’t know how sound this logic is, but I think it makes sense that it’s the intent behind the killing that makes sense. I’ve always thought the making of a horcrux is the exact opposite of the love protection we see from Lily and Harry. And since Harry didn’t *actually* die in HPDH, but the protection still worked, I figure it’s roughly the same logic.

[@TheToneBender]

A mile shouldn't be so hard for Harry to run. He is only 13 and for 2 and a half years now he's been walking around a massive castle. Going up to the Gryffindor common room, the astronomy tower and the divination classroom multiple times a day. That's a lot of stairs.

[@parthpatel-vs3iu]

37:53 Boggart and Dementor sounds Pokémon where Boggart is a baby form which evolve into a Dementor After it scares a whole lot of people and making them downright depressed

[@monlovebug]

All this talk about Romione vs Harmione when it's obvious Harry's actually in love with Ron. Just see how different he feels when he doesn't talk to Hermione vs when he doesn't talk to Ron in book 4. He only marries Ginny bc she's girl Ron and he suffers from comphet

[@listinglazily]

Something I've never thought about before: why was Lupin in Filch's filing cabinet? Was he looking for the Marauders map per chance?

[@gabriellefergusson3888]

Omg!! Can you do a what if Lilly stayed as a ghost and haunted/raised harry? He would've grown up knowing he was a wizard. And also knowing about her sacrifice. I'd love to hear your take on how this would've changed the overall series.

[@Ralph-rr9iv]

My favorite scene in this chapter has always been Professor McGonagall returning Harry's broom while mention Snape's comment. You know Snape loved needling MCGonagall on this point and that was the real reason the broom was returned :)

[@jenniferwhitehead2401]

I’ve been on holiday for 2 weeks and have been binging the last couple of episodes I didn’t think I’d find this one so fast 😂

[@Abraxun]

I could be wrong but isn’t it canon that wizards make a mark upon themselves while alive if they wish to become a ghost?

[@ajmt13]

I've always thought that the act/intention of klling is what splits one's soul. Like how Bellatrix says one should really intend to do an unforgivable curse for it to work well. So because Riddle put his soul through a premeditated act of klling, Riddle's soul was split to make the horcrux, no matter what Myrtle the victim chooses to become.

[@notmyusernameok]

I think the slightly twisted smile is just Lupin reacting to the phrasing "Dementor's Kiss", calling having your soul sucked out a "kiss" brings with it a small bit of dark humor.

[@jenniferwithani2455]

The most convincing argument against choosing to come back as a ghost is that those that you love will only be available to you until THEY die. Unless they choose to come back too. But they have the benefit of your perspective AND that if those who’ve chosen to go on. It does seem like there’d be a whole family who chooses to become ghosts. Or maybe a couple who are in deep love. Idk just thinking in text form.

[@Yakle03]

I think that Horcruxes are created by the experience of the person who is making the horcrux. The soul is being split because the person killed someone without remorse. It doesn't really matter if the person they killed didn't experience death in its truest form because they were still killed by someone with evil intent. That's why Mertle's death still counts. Even though it was done by a basilisk, Tom Riddle is still responsible for the death and is guilty without the feeling of guilt.

[@sawanna508]

Since th basilisk si controlled by him it is like a tool compareable to a gun or better poison because if poison is used to murder someone the person dies not in vicinity of the murderer.

[@SpizzyRich]

6:21 I always equated this to a Highschool teacher disassembling and reassembling a formula one racecar to check if there's a bomb. They may be able to put it back together, but will it still run like a racecar afterwards?

[@SpizzyRich]

Who knows, maybe Flitwick is enough of a Charms master that he could have made a firebolt from scratch. Probably not though; I imagine it's made by experts with experience akin to Olivander's with wands.

[@marcinz.3570]

The night shift is gonna be more pleasant than usually, love u guys

[@sash9868]

Can you invite Morgan from MovieFlame for an episode?

[@Nerdnotwashere]

Nothing beats listening to this after doing 8 miles!!!

[@animatorxstudios100]

I wish you'd gone into the fat frier, as he seems to be a really nice, sensible fellow who wouldn't take being a ghost for anything. My best guess is that he wanted to just be nice to everyone for the rest of forever.

[@blissfullyeti5428]

Pls tell me I’m not the only one who wishes these were somehow longer

[@jackiewarner9953]

Super carlin bros weekly show is what I look forward to. Why did voldmort choose the sword over the hat, and of he had chosen the hat would he be a "Gryffindor" and able to pull the sword?

[@bananaspliitz9136]

The idea the whole Myrtle/horcrux made me think of is a difference in death of the body vs death of the soul. It seems like death in hp is a two step process. The intent and death of the body is what’s needed for a horcrux because it’s about the person inflicting death on another. While nick can still believe he has not truly experienced death because he has not experienced the death of the soul. This also can play into the dementors kiss. It being the death of the soul while keeping the body intact leaves a husk of a person not truly dead.

[@stecky87]

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.” -Gandalf I wonder if a distinction is being made between death of the soul & death of the body. Cuz Myrtle's body is definitely dead. But ghosts are clearly still a part of the person, presumably the soul. And a dementor's kiss leaves the body alive, but takes the soul

[@ClareBearCB]

Lavender doesn't die in the books though... it days are is "stirring feebly" after the attack and doesn't have date of death on pottermore

[@deb4762]

On the HP wiki page, it has her date of death as 2nd May 1998

[@DakobaBlue]

1:30:30 the ghosts are imprints left upon the wizarding world. that version of them has not passed on. It has their personality and their memories and can make new ones, but it's not the actual person. So Myrtle's death is still applicable