Chapter 10: The Marauder’s Map | Prisoner of Azkaban

[@withhernoseinabook_stacy]

I love that you guys are letting the episodes organically be however long you talked about the chapter rather than limiting yourselves to a certain time frame.

[@FlareFritz]

That's gonna be the bad part about all the tour episodes which take up all the best chapters of this book. All the marauder chapters are taken by tour dates so they're gonna be so limited.

[@ThatGirlShelbyy]

@@FlareFritzi hope they take the feedback on the poll they did, from most people wanting the in-studio version recorded first and the live shows uploaded as bonus content 😅

[@FlareFritz]

@ThatGirlShelbyy Yeah me too, those are some of my favorite chapters in the entire series and I hate to think of them getting cut so short by the time limits the live shows have.

[@delikatessbruhe9843]

@@ThatGirlShelbyy They only asked on patreon though and last I checked, results are pretty split. I sure hope for studio episodes though

[@ThatGirlShelbyy]

@@delikatessbruhe9843 they posted the link to the free patreon on their community tab here on youtube and asked people to go vote on their preference

[@wackjallace]

2 hours?! now thats what i call an episode

[@Daddyoh94]

I thought the same thing! Am I on a supercut?? 😂🎉🎉

[@lkhai6243]

😂Can't wait to enjoy thissss🎉

[@BradDiBenedetto]

It’s hilarious because just reading the chapter probably takes 30 minutes

[@shrapnollr]

Was just about to comment this! 😂 I hit play, then was like, wait did I see two hours? Killer

[@GorgiaOQueef]

Sadly we’re gonna lose his again for all the tour episodes. Worst of all they said book 4 starts during it so that’s gonna be super annoying

[@jmace2424]

The class isn’t mad about learning something new with Snape, they’re mad about him calling on them and grilling them over reading they haven’t done yet.

[@kimgrod]

Bingo!

[@yiyithewuster]

Wait have we considered that Harry is affected by dementors more than everyone else because the piece of Voldemorts soul inside him has to also re-live the most traumatic day of it’s life? Lilys voice in Harrys mind could be a lot clearer because Voldemort, as a much more sentient being than Harry at the time, also heard those screams right before his worst fear was realized

[@jaspermooren5883]

I love this theory! Particularly since they are such soul-based creatures (with their kiss), I wouldn't be surprised at all if horcruxes have a reaction with dementors.

[@animatedpsychologist]

Headcanon accepted!

[@42speedybeattie]

Harry is the home of 2 souls, so he is effected twice as much.

[@shutupandrun2011]

I assumed it was because that is also Voldemort's worst moment, too, because the spell backfired and he faced defeat.

[@modelomegatyler]

the theory's been thought of already. i saw it on a pinterest pic of a tumblr post and i think they've talked about it themselves in an episode on SCB but i don't remember what one.

[@thunderflare59]

I think the reason Neville isn't as deeply effected by the dementors is because he had his grandmother to help him get through his grief. Harry was put in an abusive household because of the death of his parents.

[@denmlastankovic]

Also Neville didn't witness their torture in person if i'm not mistaken.

[@denmlastankovic]

In 4th year in Unforgivable curses class he is more enraged then scared imo. One of the best examples of channeling your "bad" emotions into something positive trough books 4. and 5. by him.

[@MythStarFire]

It is like Lupin says, Harry has so much more than everyone else. He witnessed his parents be murdered, after spending time in hiding. Then he is taking to an abusive household, where he is tortured for 10 years, after spending who knows how long in his wreaked bedroom with his mother’s corpse. Before Hogwarts the closest thing he has to a friend is Mrs Figg and her cats. He doesn’t even remember being hugged! Neville never saw his parents torture, but he lived with the torture of seeing what was done to them most of his life, but he had remaining family who loved him. Ginny also had problems with the dementors after her first year, but she had a loving family to help her through it. Luna also had her dad and still had memories of her mother.

[@ccorvid]

this episode made me think about how cool it could've been if Neville were closer friends with them from the start, so that there's a total generational parallel with all 4 marauders.

[@danielcarswell1230]

I think the dementors are drawn to Harry because of the horocrux and sensing the evil of voldomort's soul

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

46:28 I think the real world equivalent to Harry wanting to learn a patronous at 13 is for a kid to want to learn advanced martial arts or self-defence techniques. Harry really just wants to protect himself, and I couls see a martial arts instructor, maybe with a young teen that has an abusive parent or something, hesitating, but ultimately giving in to the child's determination to master extremely challenging and complex moves as they strive to be able to protect themself against a very real threat.

[@Vi_Vi_1]

This is definitely where my mind went as well, but a totally different option popped up for pure comedic reasons in my mind of a 13yo being like "I MUST learn how taxation works!" (Though that's probably more Hermione, realistically lol)

[@shannoncampbell9276]

Crazy fan theory: Hagrid rescues the cat and Harry at the same time and ends up taking the cat to a friend who advises him to take him to Mrs Figg. While traveling he stops at a pub for a pint first and others find out the story about Harry’s survival and Lily and James’ fate. At the same time everyone learns Harry looks like James and has the scar (why everyone recognizes him immediately his whole life). Mrs Figg eventually takes the Potter’s cat to the magical menagerie when it’s getting time to send Harry to school, assuming since Harry has seen pics his whole life he will get his cat back, but Hagrid gets him an owl instead. Magical menagerie lady doesn’t allow his cat out for sale until Harry finally enters the shop with Ron and Hermoine and Crookshanks recognizes Peter and immediately takes action. Supporting the Crookshanks is the Potter’s cat theory.

[@kimgrod]

Ooo, good theory!

[@d22777]

My addition/modification is that Crookshanks is the offspring of the Potter's cat. Mrs Figg breeds half-kneazles and it's entirely possible that the parent cat "told" their kid about Sirius and Peter. And Crookhanks got to the pet store 2-3 years before Harry and co (that can be a long time for a pet not to be adopted hence the "ages" comment.)

[@fhbirsidha]

45:12 Lupin saw James's determination of becoming animagi in Harry at that moment

[@lotemylife3006]

YESSS, I was just at that part while going to the comments and I just KNEW that Remus was kinda not really seeing Harry in front of him, but James, because it's exactly how James would have acted. Thank you for reminding me of the exact thing why I got that feeling! :D It would have annoyed me the entire day xD

[@forestgrump4723]

I kinda think Hagrid was just instantly charmed by baby Harry. He was just so in love he holed himself up somewhere in secret to cuddle and play with the baby. Felt like he needed it after such a fright. Possibly even purchased the blanket that Harry is wrapped in because the house was blown apart I imagine nothing was worth salvaging. I love the idea of him purchasing this cozy warm blanket that magically shuts out any cold. Harry’s last bit of magic for almost ten years.

[@dylanelizabeth7712]

Petunia saved it though. It was revealed that she kept the blanket that Harry was brought to her in when he was a baby, which was given back to him after her death. It’s more sentimental if it was the only thing to survive that night

[@forestgrump4723]

@ On the contrary I think it’s more sentimental if even as anti magic as she was she was hanging onto this tiny bit of magic all this time. The same way she was holding onto her sister.

[@arcada_shifter]

Quidditch Through the Ages says the Quaffle has a Gripping Charm cast on it to make it easier to hold and is also enchanted to fall slowly, as though through water.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

My headcanon is that whether Harry got Hogsmeade permission or not, the twins had either decided a while back that he should have the Map or it was a sympathy gift for him losing the Nimbus. I don't think they only gave it to him because he couldn't get out of the school.

[@jaspermooren5883]

Yeah they could have just told Harry about 1 of the passages, they didn't have to give the map just for that. There's definitely more to it.

[@jessicataylor8445]

I always thought that the twins gave the map to Harry because he’s a rule breaker like them and the marauders. Harry is always mixed up in chaotic happenings (troll, philosophers stone, flying the car to school, chamber of secrets) so he’d use the map for mischief as it was intended. So I agree, they’d give it to Harry whether he had permission or not, he’s the natural successor.

[@the1jessebrown]

@@jessicataylor8445almost like the deathly hallows he is the true master of it and it finds his way back to marauders blood. The twins were the closest masters until Harry came back?

[@christinabrock2893]

My headcanon is that they gave it to him partly because they appreciate the fact that he can tell them apart. As much as they love messing with people by mixing themselves up, it has to feel really good that someone (besides their family and presumably Lee) takes the trouble to see them as individuals, not just as a unit.

[@aden538]

I heard someone else put it a different way--- In this moment, Harry has two big brothers. He's family. They see him struggling and they want to help him have a good time. Sometimes, it can be that simple.

[@Vincent.E.M.Thorn.Author]

On the "Fred and George never bring up Peter Pettigrew" thing, I think it's much simpler than your theory about the Marauders. The duo tell Harry they don't need the map because they've memorized all the secrets, and you yourselves said that implies they don't use it to look for people. And even if they did, they'd be on the lookout for Filch or teachers, or something, not checking the Griffindor dormitories to see who's sleeping.

[@marcinz.3570]

Yep, they probably checked the griffindor tower in their first days to check if there are any secrets, and later never bothered to look at it again because, I mean, why really? BUT I still think the theory that marauders can’t be seen on the map by random ppl is good. Both explanations work and it’s not like they contradict each other

[@Blixthand]

You've mentioned several times how Sirius is using the Honneydukes passage, but that's never how I read it. I've always assumed he was using the Shrieking Shack - Whomping Willow passage every time he is coming to the castle because that's the one that isn't guarded. He can press the knot in the tree from the inside and gets help from Crookshanks to get back in, if he doesn't just use a stick or something.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

Either way makes equal sense. It's just a difference of interpretation.

[@christinabrock2893]

I agree, on the condition that Sirius also knows of a way to get from the Whomping Willow to the inside of the castle without using the regular doors. Because that's the main drawback of the Shrieking Shack passage; it only gets him onto the grounds.

[@Blixthand]

@@christinabrock2893 Somehow I find it more likely that Sirius knows a way into the castle from the grounds than that he on at least 2 different occasions managed to break into (and presumably out of) Honeydukes without anyone noticing. He would know not only the passages that leads to places outside the grounds, but also in and out of the castle. And Harry does see Crookshanks and Sirius together on at least one, maybe two occasions, in the grounds, and I don't think Hermione would just let Crookshanks loose in the grounds like that, so there must be some door or passage open in and out of the castle, and Sirius being in the grounds either means he used the Willow passage those times, or we're upping the number of times he broke into Honneydukes to 3-4 and also admitting he has a way in and out in order to get out to the grounds and back into the witch statue.

[@decapitatedonionthe3rd77]

1:42:18 I like to think Dumbledore had a port key or floo powder and Hagrid was like “eeeehhhhhhhhh I think the motorbike sounds more fun…”

[@Psycoman2012]

And at this point in the story, Scabber's missing toe has been mentioned like 4 times. Like once a book as part of his description and like twice so far in PoA. So if you manage to deduce here that Peter = Wormtail, then you may have also noticed that the only rat is also a rat missing a 'finger.'

[@kl-1447]

I think it needs to be acknowledged more that Oliver Wood and Percy Weasley are the same age/same year and therefore are likely roommates.

[@kimgrod]

Oh. My.

[@taylorhagen3916]

I love the idea, they are actually best friends. But the type of best friends who drive each absolutely insane. But they bond of both having deep obsessions.

[@kl-1447]

@@taylorhagen3916 I really want to imagine them driving each other insane for like the first couple of years. Just absolutely do not get each other in like a fundamental way and then they realize they're both insane in the same way just about different things and then they are fully friends.

[@robertgronewold3326]

A huge reason that Harry gets hit so hard by the Dementors is that he has two souls in him. That moment was bad for both Harry and Voldemort. For Harry, it was the night his parents died and he was cursed, for Voldemort, it was when his narcissistic butt was blasted to smithereens.

[@pantsonparade]

I don't know where you got the notion that Malfoy is a popular student. If Lucious didn't get Nimbus 2001's for the whole team he wouldn't be on it, as far as we know he has never caught the snitch, and he has the fastest broom in the school until Harry gets his Firebolt. The only student's we see him hanging out with until the train ride to Hogwarts in HBP are Crabbe and Goyle, and sometimes he talks to Pansy. I suspect the reaction after Buckbeak attacked Malfoy was due more to house loyalty than being friends with Malfoy.

[@kimgrod]

Agreed. DM is a wimp & a bully. Not becoming. Tho it is mentioned he’s a good student.

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

Draco gets people to wear the support Cedric Diggory/Potter stinks badges, he gets people to sing Weasley is our King, people appear to laugh with him as he mocks Harry. He needs to be somewhat popular for those things to become bigger than just his group of friends.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

Lucius was a prefect. They don't usually give those to the unpopular kids.

[@kimgrod]

@@coolnerdlll6053based on the Lucious we see, he was rich, powerful & a bully. Peeps will shy away from challenging, join in or be sycophants.

[@The_Early_Gamer]

The unfolding marauder's map does kinda make sense. With how many floors Hogwars has, it's basically a whole collections of maps. I'd imagine having every single floor map on ONE single whole sheet would make that sheet of paper ENORMOUS.

[@emiyae.6999]

THANK YOU

[@phillipmonson1003]

I disagree. It's always described as just a normal piece of old parchment. Having a bunch of connecting papers and folds would make it very recognizable and unique. One of the benefits of the map is that you can wipe it clean to conceal its contents and make it blend in with their normal school work.

[@The_Early_Gamer]

@@phillipmonson1003 I'm not saying that the movie version is accurate, I know the book version is just a piece of parchment. But they critisized the movie map for being crazy with all the flaps, I'm just saying that a normal square piece of parchment would have to be HUGE to cover every single floor of hogwarts with all it's staircases and secret passages to boot. OR the print would have to be tiny and illegible to fit on a parchment meant for writing. A useful map for a castle interior would have to be the size of a small blanket if it's a single sheet. So I think an unfolding system makes sense.

[@forestgrump4723]

@@The_Early_GamerWhat if as you focus on a certain spot it like, automatically zooms in enough to let you see what’s happening there? It is magic

[@marcinz.3570]

When in doubt - apply “rule of cool”. And the movie version of the map looks really cool.

[@diannepascolini2863]

I always thought the passages were for the house elves to run errands for the school. But then that could be my Disney nerd coming out.

[@aud2d2]

“You’ll have Saturdays off already” *cries in shift work*

[@TolliverHiker]

I work both Saturday and Sunday 😂😢

[@xAbbieCx13]

I literally was like, "not everybody works Monday-Friday 9-5 guys"

[@Battle_Hippos11]

Same. Same. And same.

[@PalmelaHanderson]

Something like 40% of Americans don't work typical 9-5 weekdays. Personally, I never have.

[@fraserjackson]

I've always interpreted Harry's excuse for not turning the map in ("then Filch would know who took it") as implying that Filch didn't even know it was missing (presumably he doesn't do an exhaustive search of his confiscated items drawer every night to check that everything is still there!)

[@deb4762]

Neville tells Umb**ch during the care of magical creatures class where they are learning about thestrals that he saw his grandad die. When Harry reads Lily's letter in DH she says to Sirius that she understands that he couldn't come to Harry's birthday as he was doing something for the order, which should come first and in any case Harry wasn't old enough to understand that it was his birthday. So it wasn't because of the fidelius charm being in place.

[@MythStarFire]

THANK YOU! Iam so grateful for this episode today. I got around 4 hours sleep last night due to pain, so two hours of Jay and Ben doorking out on Harry Potter was so helpful. Pain is still there but I had some better to focus on. This shows really saved my day.

[@GeroldGarthcia]

Matin is French for morning. So matinee basically means morning show, but since most theater events are in the evening, over time it's come to refer generally as any early show.

[@Halfbloodprincesss8]

Please please please keep doing the longer episodes. 2 hours? Those are rookie numbers! ❤ I will listen as long as you guys talk 😂 Also for the length of the Honeydukes walk…in Hogwarts Legacy it is a pretty significant walk to get to Hogsmeade. Also the students have to take a carriage ride from Hogsmeade Station denoting that it is actually a good distance from the school as well. I could believe it’s close to 4 miles from the school.

[@wrdreads4742]

VeggieGamer has long discussions, too. As do I, but my health and other responsibilities makes it take months per chapter... Bibliobibuli is also great for long discussions. 🍻🪄

[@ulrikruby]

1:38:02 I’m deathly hallows, Arthur and Bill are each secret keepers for their own houses (or maybe Arthur is for aunty Myrial’s house can’t quite remember), but Bill is definitely his own secret keeper.

[@Abalabexabandraba]

My thought about others not collapsing at the quidditch match is that the dementors came in from above and Harry was higher up than most of the people. So there were enough dementors to make others collapse, but they were driven off quickly while most of them were still fairly distant, but Harry got a much more direct encounter with them. I guess Cedric must be fairly resistant to the dementors, but that does seem reasonable from what we know of him.

[@sawanna508]

In the book the Dementors don't fly around they just hover above the ground. So the audience is actually closer to the Dementors then the Quidditch players. The reason why no one else fainted could be that the audience had still so many posstive emotions in them from the game they also were among their friends so that could be the reason why they were not effected that much. Also we should not forget that the book is written from Harry's POV and at the moment the Dementors appear Harry has no time to pay much attention to his suroundings. We also know the vision is bad because of the rain. Since Malfoy is making fun of Harry for collapsing I wouldn't tell anyone if I passed out. So it could be some one else fainted and we just don't know.

[@lacklustermathie]

1:36:30 I don't think that the Potters were under the Fidelius charm for a year. If they were, Lily wouldn't be writing to Sirius, she'd just talk to him the next time he visited. This suggests that the Potters were under some sort of protection that makes visiting a bit inconvenient. Not so inconvenient that Batilda Bagshod couldn't spend days with them, but enough that you don't just visit your isolated friends after work to chat for a few minutes. Lily's letter mentioning that James was under stress from not being able to leave the house may have prompted Sirius to talk to Dumbledore about the Invisibility Cloak, and have the latter suggest using the Fidelius Charm instead. The way the charm is described in this chapter, the secret seems to have been that "the Potters are hiding in Godric's Hollow" and not "the Potters' house can be found at 123 Fourth Street, Godric's Hollow." That secret would let them safely leave the house if they stayed in their town. I think it is plausible that Dumbledore hired James to teach Defence Against the Dark Arts for the 1980-81 school year. Dumbledore would have needed the position filled anyway, and James couldn't have done much else for the Order under the circumstances. Having the Potters live at Hogwarts would also make it clear to Snape that Dumbledore was protecting Lily, encouraging him to keep spying for the Order. Then James quits when he finds out that Dumbledore hired Snape to teach Potions the next year. That would explain why the Potters weren't considering using the Fidelius Charm until summer or fall of 1981. And Dumbledore hiring Snape might have made James doubt his judgement right around that time, contributing to the decision to choose Sirius/Peter as Secret Keeper instead.

[@RedFive03]

I had been listening on Spotify but man I love this set!

[@kimgrod]

OOooOOO, Ginny giving music (love) to HP two years in a row … Good catch.

[@vanessarahimi661]

1:28:39 maybe Hermione learned this spell in her first year after seeing Hagrid carry 12ft Christmas trees to the Great Hall. And every year after that she helps him 🤔 😅

[@suziwolf4830]

A: four pints is half a gallon B: Fudge rolled a nat 1 on his Perception check 🤣

[@raevalentine9002]

The reason why the dementors affect Harry worse Is because he Isn't technically visiting his own worst memory (All though his Is the same) As a baby wouldn't be able to remember such detail. (The reason why Neville Isn't affected as badly) He's experiencing Voldemort's most traumatic memory In detail. Harry has a piece of Voldemort's soul Inside of him, and I think the dementors affecting him so, sets the stage for later things, like seeing Voldemort In his dreams In book 4, seeing the attack on Mr.Weasley book 5, and seeing/feeling Voldemorts thoughts and emotions In book 7

[@elisadellaglio]

Ppppretty obvious! Weird they missed this important detail...

[@suzyq-zy216]

I read these books in my late 20’s-early 30’s. I’m the kind of person who reads books and watches movies like a hawk so I’m usually pretty quick to figure things out. I drive my husband nuts. 😂 Y’all keep talking about how you can tie things together to figure out the map, etc. I HAD NO CLUE! 😂😂😂 Because magic!, this entire series kept me in the dark. I couldn’t get enough of it! It was great to be so surprised and just have things unfold at JKR’s intended pace. 🥰

[@jakkaljakobie8774]

Late as always, but I think I know whats going on with the Honeydukes passage. Hogwarts, as established, is a medieval castle somewhere in probably Scotland. It was not uncommon at the time for castles to act as village fortifications as well as just a large home for the local noble, so in order to protect the villagers there would have needed to be ways for people to escape in and out in times of crisis that would not be evident to the enemy, especially during (fairly common) sieges. The Honeydukes passage is almost certainly one of those. It also would have acted as a way to ferry supplies in and out of the grounds. More than likely, it fell into disuse after the age ended since things would have just been safer; its far easier to drive a carriage up to the castle than ferry boxes of supplies on foot. Ordinarily they would collapse, but its likely there's some kind of impervious charm or some other similar thing to keep the passage from dilapidation. The docks would have filled a similar role, though I suspect those were mostly for shipments and not actually security. The Whomping Willow passage may also be one of these, or a newer construction since it sounds like the shack and the tree were added at the same time, but I might just be confusing things. If you want a really cool instance of castles being used like this in real life, you should go read about Black Agnus, who held off the British for months using passageways, good resource management, and psychological warfare.

[@Noisuf]

Woo 2hrs! I've got so many thoughts about this chapter and Fudge just spilling the beans to the whole pub?! Also glad to see Mike back he was a delight and added a lot to the dynamic last week! Looking forward to listening in!

[@resathe6760]

Guys, as much as I'd love the theory that the marauders are only visible to each other on the map to be true, Snape sees Lupin on the map at the end of this book when he brings him his wolfsbane potion and sees he left the map on his desk.

[@IdaSantti]

That can easily be explained, because Lupin opened the map not Snape

[@resathe6760]

@@IdaSantti hm, maybe.

[@susanbass216]

Oh my goodness, Ginny sends Harry music, and her parents both LOVE music together ❤️

[@TheToneBender]

Madam Rosmerta was already an adult when James, Sirius, Remus and Peter were in school. It is now AT LEAST 17 years later... Ron is into GILFS

[@MulanBelle]

Not necessarily. Molly was technically an adult when the Marauders were in school, after all (since Bill is about nine years older than Harry and Ron).

[@wrdreads4742]

​@@MulanBelle and McGonagall is described as having dark hair, not grey. Much more like Prof Hardbroom from Worst Witch, which JK basically plagiarized.... 😂 🍻

[@thesoftersideofsears]

I’ve never truly appreciated the intro sequence until now for some reason, shouts to whoever made that

[@mikebrown1881]

The passage to Hogsmead is a secret passage, not a shortcut.

[@lingodelfo5415]

Could also Be that it is longer on purpose so that people would give up and not go all the way?

[@saraanastacio2118]

Saw a 2 hour episode and gave you a like even before the intro. Keep them coming! 🤩🤩

[@ZenAxl]

YEAH, BEST DAY OF THE WEEK

[@arielmyers4028]

can i just.... Bens pause after "I love Wood!"

[@delikatessbruhe9843]

Me opening this episode and seeing the difference in how you guys are dressed: Are you living in the same state? 😅

[@pdfbanana]

j forces the staff to fan him from off-camera

[@Vi_Vi_1]

I look like that when I go out with my friends 😂 it'll be warm out and I'm still all bundled up lol

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

1:44:34 Plus, we already know Scabbers is WAY older than a normal rat. There's something very unusual about him.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For this Guys! This podcast is awesome ❤❤❤❤

[@LadyKatie13]

Love the long episode! We all can listen to you guys for hours!

[@ladyesmeralda999]

I would LOVE a "What If.......Ginny had been able to go on the quest with the Golden Trio?" Yes, yes, I know she still has the Trace on her, but if they'd been able to figure out a way to remove it, or the quest happened one year later, then she'd have gone. Let's face it, they wouldn't have been able to stop her from coming. We kinda know this from the fact that she wouldn't let her parents/the Order send her home before the Battle of Hogwarts, and when Harry needs the RoR, she just runs out of there, into the battle, already casting a spell as she literally runs off the page. Just an idea, because I personally LOVE Book Ginny, and I feel that Bonnie Wright would've done Book Ginny justice if Film Ginny was written well, and was the bad-ass she was supposed to be. Because the VERY VERY TINY amount of Book "Accurate" Ginny, Bonnie did fantastically with, right from the line in Flourish and Blott's, warning Malfoy to leave Harry alone. Anyone wanna chime in, please do 😊⚡

[@mb-sb5ever]

My reading comprehension wasn't the greatest when Harry Potter was coming out so I've only seen the movies and have only just started reading the books so I was just wondering does it explain how the trace works in detail in the books for example do you know where the witch/wizard is constantly or do you only know where they are when they use magic if it's the second one then that would be a great way for your what if storyline to work: Ginny convinces the trio to let her go Hermione only allows it IF Ginny learns muggle self defense tactics to use instead of magic so while Hermione works on a spell to stop their magic being traced due to being near Ginny she learns martial arts until at one moment on their journey Ginny has no other option but to use her magic which then allows them to get captured the some point after that she then uses muggle techniques to defeat one/more of the death eaters which will show that just because it's muggle doesn't mean it can't help the wizarding world

[@marcinz.3570]

I don’t really see how they could get rid of the trace, seems beyond abilities of any particular person, especially outside of the ministry. If there was anyone they would have removed the trace for it would have been harry, while srimgeour was still alive and tried to help. Would have to be a one year later scenario.

[@wrdreads4742]

​@@mb-sb5ever I think the Trace is automatically lifted up on turning 17. I know they imply that it might not have been lifted on Harry prior to them knowing the taboo on Voldy's name, but I don't think it possible.

[@mb-sb5ever]

@@wrdreads4742 oh I know that part as they mentioned it in the movies I was just thinking about when Dobby used magic around harry and the trace thought it was harry and since as Hermione is super smart she might be able to shield this side effect or something in this what if scenario

[@mb-sb5ever]

@@marcinz.3570 also I dont see how they could postpone it for a year since as it was a time sensitive mission

[@sawanna508]

About the broom beyond repair. The repair charme might not be able to fix something if to many pieces are missing. If I imagine the pristles of the broom broken into smaller twigs and splinters it must be very difficult to finde them all even with a summoning spell especially with twigs from the womping willow around as well. A glass or a jar of china breaks differently then wood.

[@stevenrobertson1416]

1:17:02 So what you're saying is... It's the cards you really want!? 😂

[@agatalorenc-marchewka1253]

I love this series, my inner child is happy so much

[@thebookbunnypodcast818]

The 2 hour episode! It's finally here!🎉

[@VoidNull9222]

Hagrid drinking a literal gallon of mead makes sense given his size. There’s all these stories about how much Andre the Giant could drink without getting drunk. It took six bottles of wine just to get him buzzed. Factor in Hagrid is actually part giant and I doubt that much mead would even affect him

[@sawanna508]

I picture his pint of meat like the huge glasses of beer you can see at Octoberfest.

[@PhilBagels]

Four pints is a half gallon - which is still a lot to drink!

[@jacquihastewell7070]

A yard of ale (which might just be a British thing) is 3 pints - but not usually the alcohol content of mead.

[@jordythomps6412]

My headcannon is that the part of Voldemort’s soul in Harry reacts to the dementors, which is why Harry is so effected. He is experiencing two soul’s worth of depression. It is also why he can hear his mother; infants would not be able to hold onto those memories, but Voldemort may be reliving the moment of his death

[@carolynbrubaker1619]

The best part about rereading the books was to pick up on all the foreshadowing! I saw absolutely none of it the first time through. BTW four pints is 1/2 gallon--Yep that's a LOT of mead

[@tomrowe3]

Regarding the tunnel into honeydukes , perhaps this was created by previous generations of the owners of honeydukes to sneak their products into the school between hogsmead weekends. They have to make money somehow

[@Huff-and-Puff]

That’s a fun idea. Very speak easy…. But for candy haha

[@Nevermore26]

In the sports discussion, I'm surprised you didn't mention Quodpot, the American version of Quidditch where the Quod (Enchanted Quaffle) explodes if you don't get it into a special pot that stops it from blowing up. You get a point for each Quod put in it's pot, but if one explodes in a player's possession, they are eliminated from the game.

[@Tincan611]

35:58 In the fanfic ‘All The Young Dudes’ Davey Gudgeon is actually referenced but is represented as a Hufflepuff 😄

[@keeferbigmick7943]

They should make a whole series of these great wizards doing magnificent feats and at the end of each one a blonde wizard in lilac robes sneaks up from behind and obliviates them.

[@kimgrod]

Draco’s parents are rich and his father is powerful. Many may go along with DM’s nonsense for self preservation or for personal gain, a sycophant.

[@silasreade]

Idk how HBO is going to do the first episode of the new series but the first chapter and ALL the background stuff we get of those couple days. Godric’s Hollow and James and Lily putting Harry to bed only for Voldemort to attack… Hagrid picking up Harry, Sirius and Peter dueling on a Muggle Street, the wizards celebrating and the Muggle News mentioning its early for Guy Fawkes celebrations, intercut with scenes of the Dursley’s. Leave out all the crucial information we need later, but giving just enough to introduce you to the two totally different worlds in this universe would be EPIC! For it to end with Harry being dropped off at Privet Drive. Think of that series premiere.

[@wrdreads4742]

And Vernon at work! 😂

[@silasreade]

@@wrdreads4742 his interactions with wizards in their bizarre clothes would be comedy gold!

[@wrdreads4742]

@@silasreade "why, that man had to be older than he was, and in an emerald green cloak, the nerve of him!" 😅 Slytherin....

[@JMDarkly1]

Hey Brother.~ So, the whole Hagrid missing for a day thing. I always figured Dumbledore gave Hagrid orders to ride around with Harry for a day or something after rescuing him from the cottage, as a way to make any counter attacks from DeathEaters less likely. I forget which book its mentioned, but Dumbledore I believe admits at some point that he was concerned the DeathEaters would go after Harry once it was confirmed that Voldemort was missing. Thus, Hagrid is ordered to go into hiding for a day while Dumbledore gets things ready for Harry to live at Privite Drive.

[@thareelhelloagain]

EXACTLY how I imagine it. I like to think Hagrid got Harry a cheeseburger that day, too ❤

[@jakegordz101]

Hey brother. Love this podcast. Going through a really tough time in my life rn and this podcast is the highlight of my week I check my YT notifications about 5 times every Sunday and click on the video immediately I love all the extra theories that have come out of this project as well as all the running jokes like the basilisk ripping spider webs or malfoy being so freaking repetitive in his jokes and obsessed with harry maybe that's why everyone ships Drarry so much? Question why was Peter put into gryffidor given he was such a coward and never had a backbone of his own or any brave/noble acts to speak of I suppose one could count his death as brave but ultimately that's Voldemorts power in the gifted hand not of his own volition he only just barely hesitated to attack/kill harry. So yea why griffyindoor for such a cowardly scared afraid person?

[@cjg8763]

HEY BROTHERS! Here's a thought I've had for a while, starting with a quick question: WHEN did Dumbledore send the second Phoenix feather to Olivander? Do we know? Dumbledore had to have known Tom Riddle got the first wand. I'm sure Olivander probably wrote to him as soon as it sold, just as he let him know right after selling Harry his wand. WHAT IF Dumbledore sent the second feather AFTER the Trelawney prophecy, curious to see if the boy who could defeat the dark lord himself might just end up with it. Maybe Dumbledore's big plan includes Harry getting that wand, the twin to Voldemort's wand. Maybe he knew the effects of Priori Incantatem would one day save him by buying him some time. Did Dumbledore have a hunch it would just unfold that way, or at least have a big hope that it would, seeing as destiny has already intertwined the two wizards via the prophecy? Did elder wand magic lay out an insurance policy to ensure Harry gets that second wand? (Could Dumbledore have foreseen the soul attachment happening even before it did and hope THAT would also help Harry in getting the wand?) Or is all of this just ridiculous and he gave the two feathers at the same time totally unaware of the future holders of the wands made with them? I'm loving listening to these while I work, by the way! Wish I'd bought Seattle tickets but I didn't, but I will definitely be listening as always.

[@xAbbieCx13]

The next episode is being uploaded on my birthday!

[@uchihaitachifan00666]

Harry passed out because he doesn't have many good memories, not because he has bad

[@cathyestrada7360]

Been waiting for this all week 🎉🎉🎉

[@MacAoidh4]

👏🏼

[@ulrikruby]

1:37:26 I’m pretty sure Sirius can visit the Potter while they are in hiding. In think it says in Lily’s letter that it’s sad Sirius couldn’t be at Harry’s birthday, but that the order has to come first, so I just think he was unfortunately on a mission at that point. It would also make no sense if only Peter could visit them, because then everyone would know he was the secret keeper and the whole plot of this book revolves around the reveal that Peter was the secret keeper and not Sirius, but if Sirius couldn’t visit them, then that would just have been a well known fact within the Order.

[@arianachavis]

Ben is me. I too wanted an old piece of paper 😂

[@Harry-Hartmann]

A Very Good Podcast 👌🏻👍🏻

[@mileskintnermusic7349]

9:00 those characters are called "Mary Sue"s (or Gary Stew for male characters.) They tend to not work to well as a protagonist, because they are PERFECT, So no human can actively relate to them, unless they're some sort of narcissist eho see themselves as perfect anyway.)

[@kimgrod]

Snape assigns the werewolf essay on Friday with a due date of Monday. On Monday - the day the assignment is due - Lupin informs the class they don’t have to do it. Tho it’s only shared that Hermione has completed the work, most of the students would also have completed it.

[@violetfontaine]

I was always under the impression that Ginny would eventually faint if she‘d been more exposed to Dementors, given that she was possessed by Voldemort the year prior and due to her reaction on the Hogwarts-Express

[@Ralph-rr9iv]

You are correct. Odds are other students passed out. They just do not get the focus. And I remember in book 5, a lot of students got into the lime light when other students realized that they had family members killed by Voldemort, et al. One of the best lines from that book is when one of the students goes to Harry and asks him how he deals with the attention.

[@Jae20818]

You guys (w/ your staff and families) need to do a theatrical reading of the books! One of you narrate and the other voices Harry. You guys would rock that project. 😃

[@richewilson6394]

The movie maps makes more sense because you have different levels on each floor so you can't see that from a two-dimensional form of paper. If you like folding different areas yeah you can make different things happen.

[@IronCodyAlan]

imagine an anthology series of Gilderoy lockhart where he's basiclly like the bad guy of the episode you know an adventure is gonna happen and gilderoy is gonna slither his way to being the main character by the end of each episode O.O

[@stuartl7761]

That would be facinating but heartbreaking. I hope they go round and find all of them after Gilderoy falls and form a support/adventuring group. You could probably make a fun series about a bunch of innocuous witches and wizards being brought together, maybe by someone mysterious who knows the truth. Then slowly they find out they were mind wiped and regain their memories and self conifdence about their unique skills and insights.

[@MrDUneven]

Theory on why Fudge seems to change his position about Voldie's return. He is a politician and he is just saying whatever is needed. Here he doesn't actually believe the old snake charmer can come but if everyone is afraid of Black he can seem like he is doing something very important trying to capture him. It's all about how he is perception and hold to power.

[@jeffgammons431]

Two hours?!?! I love it!!!!!!!

[@Boundwithflame23]

I went to the Harry Potter store in New York last year (it’s amazing by the way for anyone who hasn’t gone there yet) Got myself a dark chocolate chocolate frog. I was also headed back home that day so my silly butt decided to try and eat it on the subway ride back to the hotel because I didn’t know if I’d be able to get it through security at the airport. I probably could have and then just eaten it on the plane. Ended up throwing it away cuz it was melting and I didn’t have a bag or anything to put it in. Edit to add: How influential is Lucious Malfoy? Well he's got Fudge so deep in his pocket he doesn't need to use the Imperious Curse on him to control him after Voldemort's return Omg I had that watching the Olympics experience happen when watching the mens’ 4x100 relay. I know nothing about it but watching the slowed down first handoff of the baton by the US team I could just tell it was botched And then the ladies in the 4x400 just cooked.

[@IronCodyAlan]

yall are also on a ROLL of just cozzzzzzzy episodes sheeeeesh bedtime playlist here we go

[@Vi_Vi_1]

These are soooooo perfect for falling asleep to! Cozy is the exact vibe

[@Mreffs101]

My head cannon was the passage to Honeydukes was put there by Dumbledore when he was young so he could go get candy whenever he wanted. He does seem to love candy.

[@Kylie-kq6dm]

The reason Harry is the only one who passes out could be because the dementors are pulling his memory out of his subconscious. Even though others had also terrible memories they were able to process it. Also Harry doesn't generally pass out due to dementors. Only in this book I don't think that Harry hears "Voldemorts worst memory" because in OotP his current worst memory is Voldemort telling Harry to bow to his death

[@Itz_Mont]

I saw this on my suggested page and I immediately clicked on it, I love these episodes and find them so entertaining, I can't wait for their opinions on the later books!

[@lukeleslie9648]

Harry's walk reminds me of my time in Italy. No car, so I had to walk everywhere, and I often visited cathedrals which I climbed to the top of.

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

It would be fitting if Davey Gudgeon was the hero from Wanderings with Werewolves

[@taylorhagen3916]

Or one of the one from Mauradering with Monsters, that would just be sad

[@thequirkyquark]

J, is it fair to say the mustache is just staying at this point? Tell me it's staying.

[@ailynrenee1796]

First, I read this chapter again last night, and i thought it'd be obvious that Lupin gives in to Harry here because from Lupin's perspective, he's seeing his friend James' son in trouble and feels an obligation to help him because he couldn't help James. Secondly, Fudge says "You-know-who alone and friendless is one thing, but give him back his biggest supporter". As of this chapter, he's aware Voldemort is alive, and by the end of the next book he 180's. What's up with that, if not the Imperius Curse?

[@emiyae.6999]

I never realized that he said that! 😂 I think that shows how bad of a leader he is 😅

[@ailynrenee1796]

@@emiyae.6999 for sure lol. I definitely commented too soon, but at least I'm not crazy. Probably.

[@MulanBelle]

Fudge can accept in the abstract that Voldemort is still alive and could possibly return. He just can't accept it really happening, because it scares him and he doesn't want to admit that all those years of peace is over.

[@brookchristy8311]

YES! Two hours! Love it. Coming back to it later to clean my house with! ❤ thanks!!

[@shannongarrety6105]

When it comes to the Olwery, I just hope desperately that cat, Isabelle, and Ethan get to throw a stuffed owl with a note tied to it at J or Ben really hard.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

Okay, Harry fell 50 feet. When you fall, after the first second you are going 32 ft/sec. After the second second, you are going 64 ft/second. Dumbledore would have to utter a very fast incantation for it to work, and it can't be verbal. Even from one hundred feet. Harry would be very close to the ground by that time. What is necessary to know about the fall is if the spell works like an acrobat's net at a circus? Or is it like a brick wall? Can it be varied? Dumbledore doesn't have much leeway to catch Harry. If it's like a circus net, then you are still going to land with a "whump" that could possibly knock the wind out of you. I would keep Harry in the infirmary for a few days to keep a watchful eye on him for recovery and to see if anything happens that would develop from any possible internal injuries. Besides, you know how Madam Pomphrey doesn't like quidditch.

[@SpizzyRich]

21:55 it almost seems like the actual difference between Harry and the other students, the reason he gets truly tormented by the Dementors, is the years of abuse he experienced from the Dursleys. No other students were raised in perpetual psychological torture and emotional abuse.

[@SpizzyRich]

Afterthought: The Dementors even align somewhat with the Dursleys in the archetype of cruel wardens. Harry feels some kinship to Serius, because they both spent all the years since Voldemort's fall imprisoned and tormented; the Dursleys were Harry's Dementors for years (they still sort of are).

[@m1tthrawnuru0d06]

Carlin Bros Mercantile idea... Choclolate lips called the Dementor's Kiss

[@RancorSnp]

I have gotten a butter beer from a maid caffe during my stay in UK this past weekend. I didn't know what to expect, but I was surprised how extremely sweet it is

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

My question: They planted the Whomping Willow the year Lupin arrived at Hogwarts, and, eventually Lupin befriends the rest of the marauders, and, quite some time after that, they learn about animagi (possibly during their first transfiguration lesson of their third year?), and then they eventually learn how to become animagi themselves, and then they finally pull off actually doing so. So, who was letting Lupin into the shack before then? Who's job was it to poke the knot on the root that stopped the tree before and after each full moon? And, once the marauders took over, how is it that this person didn't notice they weren't going and supervising a werewolf transformation each month anymore? Did Lupin just walk up and say, "I got better" and no one questioned it? Surely they didn't just entrust the 11 year old werewolf to be completely self sufficient and manage to get past the Whomping Willow by himself with no adult support or supervision? Then again, this is Hogwarts, and child endangerment isn't that unexpected, but still. Also, for that matter, I can't believe the title of "most haunted building in all of Europe" would a) be accepted without anyone actually trying to verify it and b) deter anyone from visiting it anyways in a culture where assigning ghosts to each of the school houses is considered perfectly normal.

[@Cailus3542]

It's stated in the book that the secret passage was created by the Hogwarts faculty for Remus. Either a teacher or Madame Pomfrey escorted Remus to the passage each month, where he proceeded on to the Shrieking Shack to transform. The rest of the Marauders got to the Shack either before or after.

[@FabienBlin]

I think you should add MovieFlame onto the podcast!

[@ailynrenee1796]

The biggest issue with this book is that there is absolutely NO way that not one person knew Peter was the Secret Keeper. Dumbledore and Bathilda for sure, and Sirius having a letter from Lily that mentions PETER being over... Like.. it's insane to think no one knew.

[@sawanna508]

I always understood it that way that Sirius and Peter switched very recently and it was part of the ruse not to tell even Dumbledor.

[@ailynrenee1796]

@@sawanna508 you're correct. Except that Dumbledore, Bathilda Bagshot, AND Peter Pettigrew all visited the Potter house. Peter was the secret keeper, but Dumbledore and Bathilda couldn't have visited unless Peter had told them where the Potters were. Even if it was by a note, I'm positive that as head of the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore would be familiar with everyone's handwriting if they were in the Order as well.

[@pageblank3323]

It’s definitely a plot hole but I’ve headcanoned for years that Sirius WAS secret keeper for most of the time, and at the last second got nervous and convinced them to actively change the spell to switch secret keepers. So yeah, I basically think the charm requires a caster and a keeper, they can’t be the same person, and becoming keeper is life-threatening (if it’s not cast right) and painful which is why ppl don’t use this charm very often, so Dumbledore was the caster and Sirius was the keeper but then when they switched, Sirius was caster and Peter was keeper. That way, before the switch Sirius could’ve told Dumbledore, Bathilda, and Peter the secret so they could visit, and after only Peter and Sirius could but no one else would’ve tried bc it all happened so quickly. IMO the reason Sirius was even worried is bc the charm would only count something as coercion in the short term (basically if you’re able to calm down, the low level stress of war/ppl you love being in danger wouldn’t count) so if he was forced to choose between protecting the Potter’s or someone else he loved (in this case I’m assuming Remus for Wolfstar reasons, and also bc damn near everyone else he cares about is dead or part of the Fidelius charm shenanigans at this point) and was given an extended period of time to sit with that knowledge and choose, the charm wouldn’t prevent it bc it would consider that an informed decision. Basically the same thing for Peter isn’t it? If he only told bc he knew Voldemort would kill him if he didn’t, then the spell clearly doesn’t consider that kind of stress coercion. Unless Peter had said no and Voldemort directly threatened his life it’s just him choosing his own life over theirs. Or I mean, you could assume that Peter just wanted them dead but given the fact that Lily says he seems sad about all the deaths happening in her letter, I doubt that.

[@VoidNull9222]

Wasn’t there another wizard sport in Quidditch through the ages that’s like American-rules quidditch where you have to get the quaffle into this special cauldron within a time limit or else it explodes? Idk it’s been years since I read that book