Throw breaks in Tekken 8 are really weird

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Throws are really all over the place in Tekken 8 so I'm going to share every little quirk I've discovered.
➽ TIME STAMPS:
0:00 → Introduction
0:27 → Normal hit throws
1:31 → Exceptions: normal hit throws
3:11 → Counter hit throws
4:37 → Exceptions: counter hit throws
5:33 → Punish throws
7:01 → Throw lockouts
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Music (in order of appearance):
Super Mario Sunshine - Delfino Plaza
Final Fantasy XIV - Carrots of Happiness
Bomberman Hero - Milky
Mega Man Battle Network 5 - Navi Customizer
Custom Robo Battle Revolution - Bebe
Maplestory - Kerning City Subway

[@jakesteel90]

I knew something was up with Victors throw

[@debornmc]

thought i was going insane getting grabbed by victors constantly and never being able to break anything

[@95DreadLord]

I felt the same. I use throws a lot on victor and when I got grabbed by victor's normal throw it felt way harder to break

[@ExMeroMotu9]

​@@debornmcnah you're just trash

[@Kyuubi424]

Me too! I thought I was going insane trying to break his throws!

[@Dirty_Harambe]

I called this the very first time he threw me. On stream I said there was no way that had a normal throw tech window the first time he caught me with it. I was 100% sure I teched in the normal window, and I was right dammit!

[@SolidFake]

"I can break those throws " "You can't break those throws." "HUUUAAAAHHHHH"

[@Jamsessionroom1337]

*Make love in this club by usher plays violently*

[@KILLTHEREDDITOR]

Old meme but it checks out

[@RobotronSage]

Nobody asked@@KILLTHEREDDITOR

[@RobotronSage]

@@KILLTHEREDDITOR 👶🍼

[@The_Person_who_Asked-FR]

I asked tho​@@RobotronSage

[@janissary5169]

This "throw lockouts" is fantastic shit.This is one of those things that should be fixed first.

[@Aabil11]

Perhaps it's intended to punish people who mash

[@natersumkatanuar7631]

​@@Aabil11mashing is encouraged in T8. Good luck playing defensively like in T7 in T8.

[@kemalerdemsahin410]

​@@Aabil11thats why counter hit throws are exist, this is obviously a bug and its annoying

[@Mangix974]

​@Aabil11, it effectively punishes cheat engines also, because I think somehow when you press too early before the grab connects, it doesn't break...

[@tylermartin7245]

@@natersumkatanuar7631 Of course you can play defensively like in T7. Unless you're a low rank, you can still duck strings, block punish and sidestep linear moves. That's good defense.

[@MangaMarjan]

Punishing with wavedash into arm-breaker, chicken-wing and then rolling death cradle is unbreakable?! That was the last nail in the coffin, pro wrestling IS the strongest martial art out there!

[@BoopaKing]

Can you imagine punishing with a jaguar step into screwdriver though?

[@GelatinLabs]

A recent announcement confirms that some topics covered in this video ARE bugs and WILL be patched out twitter.com/nkt_dreamer/status/1755135603216396382 But I thought it'd be worth covering and documenting until then anyway

[@JZR]

Was definitely worth anyways! Thanks for the video, interesting stuff!

[@shaynehughes6645]

Thanks for beta testing the game at your own cost

[@Diandredofus]

A future video when this is done and dusted covering the *definitive* rules of throws would be awesome

[@vonslakken6518]

At the end you showed Tekken 7, and for a moment I thought it was like Tekken 3.

[@Garupan]

I recognize that Battle Network 5 cust menu theme. And maple too!

[@SleepingLionsProductions]

im glad they patched out the chain punish bug. I cant imagine getting punished with an RDC lol

[@slartymcguarty2954]

It was pretty funny though haha

[@tongpoo8985]

Thank god that was a bug. I thought they just went hog wild and intentionally made it that way

[@goofy9125]

what is chain punish

[@SleepingLionsProductions]

@@goofy9125 in this context, its hitting someone with a chain throw while they are recovering from an attack.

[@goofy9125]

@@SleepingLionsProductions Thx

[@XIVDock]

I can’t believe I recognized Maplestory music over 15 years later, that’s wild

[@moonguy456]

I know right? I was like "Wait, I've heard this before!" when I recognized the kerning city subway song.

[@Sincleaver]

I just recognized the FFXIV music

[@RedXStrider]

Cause it's a good game. Come back to the grind brother

[@GuruFrenZy]

Yo that's the first thing I said to myself 😂

[@ADxTygon]

def one of the most iconic tracks in the game. recognized it immediately too

[@KOTD45]

Just want to say, I absolutely love your editing style. So clean and enjoyable. Great music choices, great little pauses, everything!

[@GelatinLabs]

Thanks so much! My editing skills are still a work in progress but I'm glad it's appreciated!

[@IAMOP]

Throws were very weak in Tekken 7 This is a welcome change for me, counter hit throws being harder to break is such a great idea

[@matrix3509]

I agree that throws should be stronger, but its the inconsistency that's the problem, not the strength. A lot of these changes seem like they just forgot to do a QA pass as the game was being finished up.

[@YiddishDancingClown]

I'm a King main so same

[@IAMOP]

@@matrix3509 from the video only victor one and chain grab punish on power crush seems to be a problem, and devs said they will remove it if it's not intended

[@hrleinad]

if you compare the risk/reward a throw gives you, then they are not as weak as people pretend them to be. Now, if the one doing the throw got in a disadvantage position when the throw is broken (for instance -9/-10 or so, depending on the throw), that would be another thing. If chain throws cannot be broken, then they just turn into a win button(especially King's), since they do not require any kind of skill to do and you are not risking anything.

[@Zeridium]

Throws being weak is because they were made easier to break normal throws 1 or 2). To allow a better throw game this should be reverted so people with less command grabs can mix up throw too. Remember it was dumbed down.

[@asadfarookart]

7:04 holy shit finally an explanation , i felt iwas going crazy

[@seanykinns]

Jesus on top of the great editing and information you had in this video, I gotta say, the music selection here was top notch. Really brought me back

[@nabillun]

Great vid! Found it funny how the exceptions section started before a quarter of the way in 😂

[@HWHY]

Great video, nice work with the side by side footage.

[@alias7goldenletters]

idk why but your vid is so clear and easy to understand and remember. i wish youd make more explanation or tutorials on tekken cause this is good stuff (maybe u did its just the first vid i saw of you)

[@GelatinLabs]

Thank you! I try my best to make these strange concepts digestible.

[@Ben_diez]

yo man, this is some good quality content i love watching games dissected on tech level like you do frame by frame it is interesting

[@peepsbates]

The Battle Network 5 NaviCust music made me feel like I was watching Battle Network Academy, lol. Good choice.

[@ShoryukenPizza]

Subbed because of the MapleStory Kerning City music. Also, amazing video. Nostalgia plus understandable information with button inputs and clear explanation.. I just need videos like these for specific character guides and anti-guides lmao.

[@suticase]

When it got to punish throws I was like whaaat

[@goldsocks9999]

The issue with the punish throws sounds like a delay/overflow kind of thing where the game still holds the data of breaking the next throw but since it was so late it doesn't wipe the "memory" of the throw break

[@Joseponypants]

Custom Robo OST is a banger. Good video that quickly summarizes the info.

[@stellocut99]

Really impressive and informative video. The dual shot of throws being broken and not are especially helpful. This kind of information is top tier and on level with PhiDX and other veteran tekken players.

[@Shiratto]

Outside of breaks, did just today see in the lab that out of all the command throws assigned to the universal uf 1+2 input, Azucena, Jack, and Yoshimitsu are all 11 frame startup while the rest of the cast has 12f.

[@000ShiningTiger000]

Great video! Thank you for making this. the holding down a punch button preventing you from throwing definitely seems like a bug.

[@noFUN67]

this video was great. I actually didn´t expect you to go into such detail. I could have sworn that punishthrows are completly unbreakable. Also Victors throw most likely will get ironed out since we had the same issue when fahkumram was released

[@syncretik5762]

Side note hell yes for kerning city bgm you just earned yourself a sub

[@ThaRealElementX]

Love the megaman nt music in the background

[@georgecastanza6712]

Your eye for detail is great

[@MattyToho]

This man is getting a sub from me. Keep up the good work and good tech!!

[@TheEndwalker]

I like the changes to throws in this game. The interaction with power crush is something that carried over from 7, but the new addition to this especific interaction is punishing a power crush with a throw. I like that. I also like the fact that throws in CH are nearly impossible to break on reaction. It's still possible to break, like shown on the video, but the window being shortned makes it so that the throw becomes much more unlikely to be broken. Which is good, IMO. Now, Victor throw is definitely a bug, and King's whole chain throw being unbreakable when interacting with a power crush is also a bug. I believe that the interactions shown on the video with Nina's throws are not intentional either. I loved the video, and the format. Keep up with the good work!

[@brendyn6005]

this has a very AsumSaus video feel to it and I'm all here for it (And just as enjoyable despite me never needing this information :D)

[@GelatinLabs]

Thanks for the high praise! I hope to one day achieve AsumSaus levels of quality.

[@xecydez]

i love megaman battle network and maplestory BGM

[@zonazonabutthesecondzonais7051]

Yo shoutout the kerning city OST, we have a man of CULTURE here! Great video

[@vegetoavery]

Old school maplestory bgm. Those hours of grinding will never be forgotten i guess

[@Scootworth]

Solid info- dig the Megaman Battle Network OST too, good ass memories with that game

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Tackle having a 3f timing on counter grab seems fitting to me. IRL getting tackled as you shift your weight striking will definitely end with you on the floor.

[@comradekanna835]

Really good video, I hope to see more from you !

[@ejune98]

Thanks man i knew sth was different but didnt imagine it would be this complicated.

[@FGCfoof]

great video, subbed for the MMBN music

[@Im0nJupiter]

The throw break lockout explains a lot. I've had situations where I'm pretty sure I pressed a throw break early and got locked out. It should at least say "you were doing a 1 in advance, you get a break on 1 throws", rather than complete lockout.

[@manowarii3314]

Not mad at this change. I remember some guy in a forum long time ago mentioning how he felt grabs in T7 where literally useless in intermidiate/high level player

[@krzysio767]

About King's having bigger window and Victor smaller, it may be related to how quickly the hit in the throw occurs. In Victor's generic throw it seems he hits pretty quickly so if you had 20 frames to break, you would be able to break after you got damaged. Similarly it takes King quite a long time to actually hit in his throw while his other mixup option seems to hit quicker. The lockout seems like a bug though. Also love the video, the throws were extremely confusing for me. Still they are but at least now all makes sense.

[@MystifiedFlash]

Really well made informative video thanks for this!

[@PsychologyStud]

The music that plays during the counter hit throws sounds like megaman battle network music!

[@yoloyo7019]

This is an immaculately made video. I don't even play but wow this is well done lol

[@dupajeza1006]

Rarely do I comment but thats an amazing video dude. The effort put in is really impressive

[@GelatinLabs]

I appreciate it! The effort is worth it when it helps the community!

[@user-hs9ub3pj5y]

nice video bro, hahahahaha i love your editing ! subscribed :)

[@TheJakeJackson]

Side throws universally have a 14f break window? I wonder if Victor's normal throws are bugged because his two generic throws also act as his side throws. Lots of newcomers have identical side and generics, but I still suspect someone forgot to differentiate them properly

[@TheFury92Returns]

Yeah I knew something was off in 8. Love the Bomberman 64 track in the beginning. Song is called "Zip" if anyone was curious

[@YouNoob269]

I wasnt ready for that kerning city music lol

[@birdmanoo0]

Thanks for the research, some good information. Yeah, they need to fix some of this. At the very least that lockout thing.

[@videogamesareforever]

The complete throw system has been revamped to make throws viable at high level. Breaking throws in Tekken has always been quite difficult (try in tag 1/2, lol)but they made a mockery of it in 7. As a King main, I can for sure that this version of King is the strongest there is.

[@KingQuetzal]

Such a good video! Thank you!

[@shindean]

Great so far, throws being an actual threat are perfect. When half of your movelist revolves around throws, it kinda makes that person useless if they're all easily breakable through button mashing.

[@Guc_KYSG]

Really informative, thank you for this !

[@Skelegoblin]

Throw Lockouts are excellent. It stops people from mashing escape inputs and forces them to time it. Hopefully this also contributes to less people accidentally getting caught in the new counter-throw system.

[@Spiriax]

It doesn't really stop anything unless you are mashing buttons to escape throws before they even come out which makes no sense to do because you have to react to the correct break. Counter throws having a 7 frame break window is already pretty much inconceivable to break on reaction.

[@jaspercook5128]

i knew i wasn't crazy, I have been getting screwed by the throw lockout thing for the longest and wondering why I wasn't able to break the throw. I just labbed it and you're right

[@Zachebi]

2:27 that makes sense because it goes into a whole ass cutscene, and the timing for those breaks are much shorter, it also ducks highs as it starts

[@Crowmeir]

Hearing endwalker music is so relaxing after not playing for a while lol

[@jolenecoda]

I adore this stuff. It's the exact kinda stuff I think about, but can't be bothered to test it. Thank you ❤

[@BigHorus]

Drag being the first on the exceptions list made me laugh so freaking hard😂😂😂

[@RedOfFlames]

As a king fan, I see no issues here

[@Hyziant]

lol man i've been trying to learn how to break throws for days now and i don't feel like i've gotten that much better. i'm used to street fighter. Street Fighter: Throw when they throw to break (unless you get punish countered) Tekken: Press 1, 2, or 1+2 after the throw depending on which hand is more extended during the throw. Oh, by the way, the hand furthest from the screen will probably be obscured during gameplay so you should probably look at the hips/shoulder instead. Oh, and 1 + 2 breaks are hard to distinguish from 1 and 2 breaks using just the hips and shoulders by the way. Also some throws are just faster than others. Also King has two throws that look exactly the same. Also if you accidentally plink 1 + 2 break you don't get it. Also if you get counter hit you can't break throws. Also King has chain grab. *Some* of King's chain grabs have breaks, but they all are different and have no intuitive visual tell. You'll have to memorize the chain grab sequences so you know which one to break. Oh, but within chain grab sequences there are mixups between different breaks so sometimes you'll just guess wrong even if you memorized all the chain grab sequences. Also you have to press the button at a very specific point of King's throw animation to break the chain grab that's basically unintuitive.

[@dspursuer]

Victor's 14 frame regular throw is still in the game :')

[@ShikiRyougi05]

Fantastic video, subbed

[@MK-vi2cm]

Woah that Bomberman music though

[@Dopameme]

I like this game but my god throws are obnoxious and I hate how they function. Never liked how tekken does throws but now it’s even more ambiguous and ridiculous.

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

I hate it too. New to Tekken, really enjoy the game but the way throws work just seems so stupid. Like you have to watch their left or right hand to know the right button to tech it? Why is it so complicated to defend against but so easy to just throw out on offense? Why doesn't it just work like every other fighter? It just turns into a guessing game and is never a problem for the thrower to just toss out.

[@SRN_RL]

I mean you can duck them.​@@thepunisherxxx6804

[@liquidsnake23]

@@thepunisherxxx6804you kind get it down the longer you play and mashing does help since most want the big damage and those are usually just pressing 1. However once you get further you’ll have to keep a look out. King tho, most low rank players are wanna grab you so just keep that in mind and use frame traps and hop kicks. Easier said than done but it can seem obnoxious this early into the game’s life. I try to remind people this is the first tekken without an arcade release so we are at ground zero with bugs and glitches and we just have wait for it to be ironed out. Good news tho is that tons more people are playing it these should be addressed quicker than an arcade.

[@lucastonoli3256]

​@@thepunisherxxx6804the hand thing has always been like that. Regular/generic throws don't require you to watch shit, just press one or two and it breaks. Command throws do require watching for the hand that reaches first, it's an acquired skill. It is best to train for grab hand from the get go, as you can't know if it is a generic throw or a command throw by just looking at the grab animation.

[@lucastonoli3256]

​@@thepunisherxxx6804also, just tossing the grab will have you punished badly, grabs are situational.

[@LegendaryPlank]

The 'throw lockout' shit explains a lot. Hope that is fixed ASAP.

[@ildebrando113]

Man this is so good content, i've noice victor trousse are differten thx❤

[@kyore789]

Tekken is so in depth but still super fun on surface level

[@Laerei]

Reina is fun. You press forward and she does a parry. It's of course punish throwable and makes chain throws unbreakable. HOWEVER. This also applies when your press forward+punch to do a move and opponent throws you. The game just decides that your tried to parry, too bad, eat crap. Sure hope this issue is also addressed in the future.

[@DrewBearYT]

I wonder if the break window for Victor's throw is meant to give him a specific edge. The other break windows could be designed around move startup and predictability, among other reasons. For King's difference in break window for 2+4 could be tied to the inputs, since I noticed in the move list the throws do more if you actually do the sequences instead of 1234 mash. Edit: Yeah, break reductions from counter hits don't necessarily need to follow a pattern. You have a baseline, then exceptions with the exceptions being for some reason. We can try to divine what those reasons are, but I wouldn't say that "it doesn't make sense". It would also be really weird to have a lot of break windows being typos/unintended, especially considering the "8" on the title, but you never know. That's the only real accident I can think of, unless the code for reductions is mathed instead of just having a set value. I get being locked out from guessing on which throw to break when pressing a punch or two punches after being thrown, but the held button lockout seems interesting. In _that_ case there's probably an actual quirk with the input reader or something.

[@bakedcrystal915]

Nah they patched it

[@DrewBearYT]

@@bakedcrystal915 Then I have to wonder how that kind of error got through in the first place.

[@leopart7600]

As a king main, this is a VERY interesting video ! Nice investigation bro +1 sub

[@runecreed2265]

top quality video thx a lot for the concise and clear presentation - how'd you manage to setup the characters to do the breaks at exactly the specified frame, macro button that does inputs for both characters at a button press? Very impressed with the way you presented this.

[@GelatinLabs]

I use a tool to program frame perfect inputs (not unlike a TAS). It's a core of my ability to test these situations so precisely and thoroughly.

[@HumaneTrash]

Yo that bn5 theme! Nice!

[@zOMGItsDarkJ]

Game: just mash to get out of throws, but not too much. But also don't hold buttons nor get caught with a punish. Make up your mind Tekken

[@TK_TheFURY]

Great work

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

the first patch didn't address a lot of these things because, as some people pointed out, it probably was some kind of day 1 patch but a possible reason for why it was delayed is that the game is multi platform, so it takes more time to implement I think we'll probably have a colossal and very drastic patch sometime around the end of this month, that's my guess at least

[@Darksid3c3]

appreciated your effort

[@iamthereddemon20]

Mash fast so you don't have to worry too much, don't hold breaks preemptively, don't let king punish your armour or you die. Seems good.

[@Felipesantos-ij8lm]

while watching this video I have noticed something, the frames you have to break out of a grab are the same amount of frames the grab takes to be set up as you aren't trown instantly like in streetfighter 2 and 3

[@Leahcimmichael]

Imagine if Marduk was available on release. His throws that transition into mount would thrive in these changes.

[@connertodd6005]

That’s very informative thank you

[@johnonyango3166]

So we are somewhat back to the way things were in Tag 2 and Tekken 6.

[@Firelord_Ozen]

I'm probabky among the few people recognizing the Final Fantasy 14 music in this vid.

[@mrpeanut188]

Smileton is just one of those dungeons that has a bop

[@przemekg4945]

Probably more than a few, XIV has a reputation for being "retirement" game among fighting community ;)

[@sammythijs8641]

This explains the amount of Victor players online attempting throws 24/7. I knew something felt off with the tech window💀

[@RobotronSage]

Idk why Victor players would be attempting to throw 24/7 when their tech traps are insanely spammable

[@deththekidd5062]

@@RobotronSagenot at all

[@lancergt1000]

bruh why does Victor have the old Tekken throw break window

[@genzo454]

They pulled a Fahkumram

[@lucastonoli3256]

A bug, as stated by the devs. Some of the shorter break windows are not bugs though. Grabs that land as counter hit were announced to be shorter since before the game got released (they were supposed to be 4 frames).

[@ELFUICHE]

Thanks for the video, but displaying what button is needed to break the throw would’ve been very helpful.

[@Life1233_]

Incredible video

[@eraldylli]

Good stuff. Subbed.

[@facksmasheen]

Is the tackle reversal still unchanged? Curious what the window is on that. Great video btw... hope they fix that throw lockout thing.

[@GelatinLabs]

If you're referring to the "turnover" reversal, it's unchanged! Still 2 frames, as it was before.

[@mrmotivated8667]

I have a theory the longer escape time on some of kings moves might have been to curve the grappler discorse

[@brendanparker6115]

As a King main, why can you immediately break Arm breaker ( ↔️⭐⬇️↘️ 1+3) but not standing heel hook (same directions but 2+4) even on punish?

[@LojoJojo]

the maplestory got me to subscribe for sure.

[@MichaelSS]

Amazing amazing amazing video!

[@kenshobuq7105]

Another thing that happens is when both players grab (at the same time?) They cancel eachother. Also, grab lockouts really screws me over, it is frustrating.

[@MrDizee9]

nice work

[@sem_aki]

Bro just made the video to show his exquisite taste in VGM

[@virtualbalboa180]

Throws are back!