Top 6 Greatest Shot Put Throwers Of All Time

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@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
Who do you think is the GOAT? Comment below 👇👇
@coachbobkapustka4803
@coachbobkapustka4803 3 жыл бұрын
Godina the goat, kovacs for the come back, in toughest comp, werner for the prep and bomb, majewski for being a human treebuchet, parry for being an OG trebuchet, nelson for the torque and intensity,
@ravisharma9818188359
@ravisharma9818188359 3 жыл бұрын
make a video on top 6 shotput thrower of USA
@wilhelmw3455
@wilhelmw3455 3 жыл бұрын
Great list can you please do one for the other throws especially discus and hammer.
@TheOriginalGankstar
@TheOriginalGankstar 3 жыл бұрын
Crouser. It's Crouser.
@yahiawalidyt
@yahiawalidyt Жыл бұрын
Lauren Klem from Klem Family.
@daleftuprightatsoldierfield
@daleftuprightatsoldierfield 3 жыл бұрын
I think Crouser just cemented his legacy as the GOAT
@Ramngrim
@Ramngrim 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Two olympic titles, the world record, multiple competitions at 23+, and that crazy consistency that allows him to "safe throw" a 22.40.
@dragonboy141
@dragonboy141 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair this list was made before Crouser smashed the world record
@GroupTheories
@GroupTheories 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely
@tylerroberts6184
@tylerroberts6184 Жыл бұрын
had to come back to this comment after he threw a 23.56
@gradybare2522
@gradybare2522 3 жыл бұрын
We need a updated one with Ryan Crouser because oh my god Ryan is insane right now
@TheGudeGym
@TheGudeGym 3 жыл бұрын
I would put Brian Oldfield as my #1. He shattered the world record. First man over 73, 74, and 75 feet. He paved the way for track and field athletes to get payed our right and get sponsored. He revolutionized the Spin. And set an American record at 39 years old. I believe he is also the only 40+ 70footer ever. And of course his foul throws are legendary.
@kenhale5275
@kenhale5275 Жыл бұрын
Oldfield was incredibly quick and athletic. He was also very entertaining to watch. The big fat guys are boring
@coachbobkapustka4803
@coachbobkapustka4803 3 жыл бұрын
this video fired me up. best throws compilation and narration on youtube. i cant believe how beyond this throws channel is than any other channel. keep slaying it boss
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome 💪
@paulbuschman
@paulbuschman 3 жыл бұрын
Can you just go ahead and update this and make Crouser number 1? 😂
@artkazyak3242
@artkazyak3242 3 жыл бұрын
Brian Oldfield was the man in the shot put way ahead of his time he was an animal a beast so athletic and powerful many times well over 70 ft and 75 ft a freak hats off to Mr Oldfield rest in peace sir
@KLIPAMSoulRadioStation
@KLIPAMSoulRadioStation 3 жыл бұрын
...we agree - Joe Kovacs is one of our favorite - overachiever, 4th place for so many years - but never gave up. The throw at Doja shows us to never quite - even I was overcome with emotion - we all know the feeling of exceeding our PR with hard work and it pops!
@ctb3386
@ctb3386 2 жыл бұрын
Love it. When I was in HS all we had was a VHS tape - Al Fuerbach - basic 70 foot shot put. That was it !
@kennethfisher7989
@kennethfisher7989 2 ай бұрын
Dane, thanks for the video. Loved your reference to Paul Ferency. I threw against him when he was at East Stroudsburg U while I was at Kutztown U back in 1976. He was phenomenal. Loved the video. My PR was 52-6 back in the day and I tried to model my technique after Al Feuerbach. Thanks Ken Fisher
@donfilkins298
@donfilkins298 3 жыл бұрын
I live near Dartmouth. I used to watch Adam practice and compete. Such an incredible athlete. His coach at Dartmouth CarlWallin was a great coach! Carl has taught me just about everything I know about throwing in the masters competition.
@carlomercorio1250
@carlomercorio1250 3 жыл бұрын
Randy Matson dominated in the 1960s - years ahead of his time (21.78m in 1967!) Not even on the list - puzzled. He had an Olympic gold and silver and world records; first man to break 70ft.
@frankyancy1347
@frankyancy1347 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I saw Randy in 1966 at Fresno, I was up close on the field just a few feet from the ring. His standing throws 65 easily, Obriens eyes were like pie plates. 6.7 tall @ 260, beautiful physically, didn't have to pump iron like Dallas Long, or beef up to 325 lbs like these current guys, rather he was a natural. If he had lifted like Long and bulked up........he'd have thrown over 24m easy. He out classed em all til George Woods and others began steroids, and looking like over weight gorillas. So the list is bogus. In 1966 he was just 2 or 3 years out of high school.......not these 6 "Best".
@paulbuschman
@paulbuschman 3 жыл бұрын
@@frankyancy1347 he was so good. My dad grew up in the Texas panhandle not far from Pampa where Matson was from. He used to tell me about him when I was getting into throwing.
@frankyancy1347
@frankyancy1347 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulbuschman I too am the same age as Randy, and was 6.7 tall and 255lbs, at that Fresno in 1966 I did the JC shot put about 54' and stayed on the field to wait for Matson and O'Brian to throw in the evening. What I saw broke my spirit, knowing I did not have IT....oh I could have worked HARD and gotten to 60, but so what....he was THE BEST EVER. Thx for the comment, how did you do?
@paulbuschman
@paulbuschman 3 жыл бұрын
@@frankyancy1347 I was more of a discus thrower than a shot putter. I threw 53 with the college shot but threw 185 with the 2kg discus.
@frankyancy1347
@frankyancy1347 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulbuschman I was just the opposite. I never learned to spin with the 2kg disc, so best standing was just under 150, 185 thats a good distence! Back in my day, poor coaching, no videos, etc. So as mentioned I quit after second year in college, the track coach at San Francisco State, where I transfered to, was a butt head....
@prosperbacker
@prosperbacker Жыл бұрын
Hi! I'm delighted to your comment of the skills of Adam Nelson! A Swiss myself, yes, Adam was and still is my personal Nr.1 of Shot Put. A 6 feeter just as I am, he was not just an athlete but also a brilliant entertainer. Very good poll! Go ahead!
@KantoPlaysGames
@KantoPlaysGames 3 жыл бұрын
Man, this list is hard to make but leaving off Crouser hurts, 1 Olympic Gold, 5 top 2 finishes in U.S Outdoor and Indoor Championships, a World Championship silver medal, a 22.90 PR, arguably the best high school/college career we have ever seen from a thrower. Now he has the indoor world record, and he has thrown over the 22-meter mark more than anyone else in history. All 6 of these guys are legends but surely, Crouser was in the consideration at some point.
@bradysmith7365
@bradysmith7365 3 жыл бұрын
Fr he’s probably gonna break randy barns record and he’s tied wit kovacs at 22.91 he is consistently throwing 74-75 feet too
@energyexecs
@energyexecs 3 жыл бұрын
...So motivating. Thank you. Throws University helps me in my daily business life by keeping focus and motivated.
@trevorpotter9364
@trevorpotter9364 3 жыл бұрын
Hey I love this channel and your information! Do you have any information/advice for an adult amateur thrower to get involved in the sport? I never threw in college but I love the sport and this channel is one of the only sources for good training information.
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
Keep learning from videos and be careful. Make sure you are trying move correctly so you don't hurt yourself. If you are interested, you can check out our technique analysis service and give you coaching tips on our website 👍
@drwe57
@drwe57 3 жыл бұрын
Brian Oldfield is the godfather of rotational shotputting his career was in the middle of when they started testing for anabolics. Now yes he was on them but back then so was everyone else.
@leoesharkey1
@leoesharkey1 3 жыл бұрын
John Mcgrath was the first rotator!
@paulbuschman
@paulbuschman 3 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine asked Oldfield directly if he was on steroids when he threw 75. His response was he was clean…it was 3 days since the end of his last cycle!
@Suman-k6r
@Suman-k6r 3 жыл бұрын
When I told my mother I want to be a shotputer, she told me why you want to be a shopkeeper 🤣🤣🤣
@williamshine1346
@williamshine1346 Жыл бұрын
To do what Kovacs did at only 6 feet is incredible.
@TheMSUnet
@TheMSUnet 3 жыл бұрын
Well done Dane. Adam was my favorite as well
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it 💪
@throwerpower7603
@throwerpower7603 2 жыл бұрын
Lately I’ve entered the 2 digits realm😢
@pride23s
@pride23s 3 жыл бұрын
Was lucky enough to meet and have a session with Jon Godina 1996 Crystal Palace and Adam Nelson 1998 Birmingham. I still watch the old VHS footage now..great memories.
@HectorEspinoza-nw9eq
@HectorEspinoza-nw9eq 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the criteria that had to be met in order to be on this list
@Ma007rk
@Ma007rk 3 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily in order......... 1. Brian Oldfield 2. Ulf Timmerman 3. Randy Barnes 4. Alexeev Baryshnikov 5. Michael Carter 6. (Take your pick) Steroids are as much a part of America as Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet. (IMO)
@varunkale8616
@varunkale8616 3 жыл бұрын
Ulf timmerman 23.06 in glide
@scottferguson5127
@scottferguson5127 4 ай бұрын
Hi brothers, little background on me. Threw for Indiana University 83-87, nothing to write home about PB 55'. I get trying to rank the greats over the years, but for me its all about distance indoor and outdoor period. Thanks
@garychampagne1734
@garychampagne1734 3 жыл бұрын
Randy Matson as a selection was a no brainer
@tonyhunt8059
@tonyhunt8059 Жыл бұрын
Hi Dane , Are you intending to update your selections to reflect the current situation with this event, please?
@disparato
@disparato 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great list. I personally would have given Nelson the edge over Godina, aside from his accolades, so much intelligence and personality. Also, I understand why you wouldn't include Timmerman but his glide was a thing to behold
@jvkanufan8115
@jvkanufan8115 3 жыл бұрын
Ricky Bruch - most entertaining, also mostly discus.
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
its the discus 😂😂
@jasonbelt57
@jasonbelt57 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely understand the medals criterion, bearing in mind inspiration, WR, competitive comebacks and the like, some favs are def Ulf, Barnes, Carter, and Oldfield, and can’t leave the Stulce comeback in ‘92 out. However, Ulf may be one of the most explosive humans to ever throw shot.
@brimstoneoilandmarineworks7116
@brimstoneoilandmarineworks7116 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree ... Ulf was the epitome of the glide
@DTDrake
@DTDrake 2 жыл бұрын
As a WV native I have to mention my hero Randy Barnes. Though I understand your adherence against drug use in sports he took a banned substance not an illegal one.
@adhishghildiyal2350
@adhishghildiyal2350 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan be like Okay 😂😂 you are right
@ricardosustaita5568
@ricardosustaita5568 3 жыл бұрын
i feel like a separate list should also be made categorizing glides from spinners to include more guys since they’re all just amazing.
@HectorEspinoza-nw9eq
@HectorEspinoza-nw9eq 3 жыл бұрын
Those would be nice lists best rotational and best gliders
@criticalmassgym1036
@criticalmassgym1036 2 жыл бұрын
John Godina… 100% agree
@chunkeththehunkeththekoola5525
@chunkeththehunkeththekoola5525 3 жыл бұрын
My personal favorite is Christian Cantwell. What are your thoughts on him, I’ve always loved him because he got me into shot put
@boukephalos1ram84
@boukephalos1ram84 3 жыл бұрын
#1 Randy Barnes #2 Randy Matson. # 3 Ryan Crouser. #4 Dallas Long. Enough said. Honorable mention Perry O’Brien, Seriously I can’t believe you didn’t mention them…
@paulfiniello6750
@paulfiniello6750 Жыл бұрын
I’m commenting from 8/23 and Crouser just took the top spot!!
@DavidEvansphd
@DavidEvansphd Жыл бұрын
I think this list needs to be revised now 😂
@primitivefish8277
@primitivefish8277 3 жыл бұрын
While I don't disagree with your list, it seems that the assumption you make is that because someone did not test positive for banned substances, they were drug free. I think that's naive but I understand giving people the benefit of the doubt. Anyway I love the work you do and the time and effort you put into your content. Please keep up the great work. It is because of people like you that throws are advancing
@cows543
@cows543 Жыл бұрын
We need an update to this list asap
@qmkut9121
@qmkut9121 2 жыл бұрын
Basic WWE Fanboy: Cesaro is the Swiss superman! Intellectual Throwing Aficionado: *laughs in Werner Gunthor*
@coachbobkapustka4803
@coachbobkapustka4803 3 жыл бұрын
woah. kovacs!
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@drewtombleson3995
@drewtombleson3995 4 ай бұрын
This list is way to in the weeds for me leaning to heavy on steroids to back it up, Brian O, Randy B, and Ryan Crozer not being on the list or even mentioned is crazy, the only one on the list that made since was the guy that created the guild all things being equal he should have been your #1. Anyway I do love the channel great stuff.
@KevLaj
@KevLaj 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of US bias in that list, but it is a fair representation! Can't argue against Godina. I expect Tom Walsh to break into that list by the time he is done. The top 4 from Doha all potentially have another 3 Olympics in them.
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
Very true 👆👆
@cobbler88
@cobbler88 2 жыл бұрын
There was so much cheating for so long, the US bias is kind of understandable when you look at the shot putting landscape over the last few generations.
@MarkLL1961
@MarkLL1961 3 жыл бұрын
Fun and educational video, though it needs a serious update now. Video was great, though it really lacks from not at least mentioning huge candidates like Matson, Oldfield, and Mr. Crouser.
@leoesharkey1
@leoesharkey1 3 жыл бұрын
O'Brien was the greatest, world records, Olympic medals and appearances, longest streak, ranked no 1 in the world in the discus, invented a new technique named after him, popularised weight training for throwers. Tell me why any of the athletes you looked at are better than him? BTW the best all-round thrower, the incredible Ralph Rose...
@TheGudeGym
@TheGudeGym 2 жыл бұрын
Obrien was the hero to many legends
@drwe57
@drwe57 3 жыл бұрын
Randy Barnes had the greatest rotational technique of any man his size he was a freak
@vladsrants2920
@vladsrants2920 3 жыл бұрын
What about timmerman, Breyer, oldfield.....
@haojerry884
@haojerry884 3 жыл бұрын
from 13:35, it is really moving!
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
👆👆👆
@ashmerch2558
@ashmerch2558 2 жыл бұрын
Despite being able to melt the pee cup... I was surprised to not see Randy Barnes or Ulf Timmerman. Also... No Brian Oldfield? I would say Oldfield owns the historical significance portion, plus out throws most of if not the whole list.... I was very surprised how far you actually throw didn't play a bigger role on this list Edit : my list 1.) Crouser 2.) Oldfield 3.) Barnes 4.) Timmerman 5.) Kovacs 6.) Majewski
@Cryboutet
@Cryboutet 3 жыл бұрын
You're awesome sir! 🙂👍❤️ Do you have training academy in india.
@Johnrap
@Johnrap 3 жыл бұрын
Are you still in PA?
@НиколайКидревич
@НиколайКидревич 3 жыл бұрын
What about Randy Barns, Ulf Timmerman ? Baryshnikov?
@leoesharkey1
@leoesharkey1 3 жыл бұрын
I am going to walk out and say again, Parry O'Brien was the GOAT, and he had to hold down a job and raise a family in the time before professional track athletes. No athlete of the last fifty years comes close. yet. Crouser needs two more Olympic medals, and many more wins, and WRS to come close, and I am a big Crouser fan...
@coachbobkapustka4803
@coachbobkapustka4803 3 жыл бұрын
7:54 BLISS
@weldonwenturine3395
@weldonwenturine3395 3 жыл бұрын
Feurbach for great technique! Matson, George Woods
@coachbobkapustka4803
@coachbobkapustka4803 3 жыл бұрын
4:45 my $ is on Werner. Esp for his prep and that BOMB 22.73
@veganpotterthevegan
@veganpotterthevegan 3 жыл бұрын
The clean WR is a really hard thing to claim. Nobody knows if someone is doping other than the athlete themself. Too many athletes have retired and admitting doping throughout their careers with zero positive tests. Only to admit they doped their entire careers
@wiliamkizell1287
@wiliamkizell1287 3 жыл бұрын
Ryan Crouser???
@benjfeldstein9741
@benjfeldstein9741 3 жыл бұрын
Crouser should have at least got a low spot. He might not have the same amount of medals but he still has Olympic gold and world silver and has the most throws over 22 and has the second highest average distance in a single meet
@oliviaonuah
@oliviaonuah 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjfeldstein9741 and holds the Olympic record
@benjfeldstein9741
@benjfeldstein9741 3 жыл бұрын
@@oliviaonuah thst too, I just don’t see how he’s not in the top six, plus he shares the third longest throw in history and had never tested positive for PEDs that I know of
@tylerwilliams5803
@tylerwilliams5803 3 жыл бұрын
He states in the video how they chose the criteria. Crouser is too young to make the list (WRT the criteria they outlined) but could very likely top the list when his career is all said and done.
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerwilliams5803 Exactly 👆👆👆
@coachbobkapustka4803
@coachbobkapustka4803 3 жыл бұрын
12:51 POLIQUIN WAS MASTER ROSHI FOR ME TOO. fuck yes Dane
@richardlogrippo4997
@richardlogrippo4997 3 жыл бұрын
What about Brian ofield
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say, no medals
@et5222
@et5222 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThrowsUniversity I think the lack of medals for Oldfield shouldn't hold him out; his "pro" status kept him out of the 76 games. and the boycott the 1980's, yet he was consistently throwing 3-6 further than the winning marks in those games. The lack of testing in pro track doesn't help the cause. Great video.
@hamiltoneast
@hamiltoneast 3 жыл бұрын
Did Crouser get busted six or seven times for PEDs?? Of throws of 22.42 or more, he has more than half of them, all time. Gold medal, olympic record, indoor record.... What?
@Trumppower
@Trumppower 3 жыл бұрын
Unlike Günthor as for now only 2-3 people were able to shoot 15 meters+ from Switzerland.
@uzoegbeogu9617
@uzoegbeogu9617 Жыл бұрын
As at 2023, Ryan Crouser is undoubtedly the greatest of all time!
@Noahvon503
@Noahvon503 3 жыл бұрын
Crouser ends his career at #1🏆
@lifesnotfair862
@lifesnotfair862 3 жыл бұрын
Tops for Discus?? I know a name that I would wonder if you include on that list if made. Keep making them for all throw events; Men and Women.
@leoesharkey1
@leoesharkey1 3 жыл бұрын
Al Oerter...
@williamshine1346
@williamshine1346 Жыл бұрын
The Pole is similar in size too Matson,
@stevenotes3996
@stevenotes3996 3 жыл бұрын
No Randy Matson? First ever over 70 and was decades ahead of his time. He’d be my GOAT…
@yahiawalidyt
@yahiawalidyt Жыл бұрын
Do you know Lauren Klem from the Klem Family? She got 1 Greatest Shot Put Thrower's place.
@chamindujanith6337
@chamindujanith6337 3 жыл бұрын
The 6 guys who has the 6 longest throws are the 6 best in history. Crouser is the GOAT with 2 Olympic gold and World record. Kovacs is a double world champion and has 2 olympic silver medals. Tom Walsh is the 2017 World Champion and has 2 olympic bronze medals behind Crouser and Kovacs. Randy Barnes is the 1996 olympic champion and silver medalist at 1988 olympics. Ulf Timmerman is the 1988 olympic champion and 1983 World Championship silver medalist. Alessandro Andrei is the 1984 olympic champion and 1987 World Championship silver medalist. These guys are the 6 best. I know Barnes is suspeneded for doping but there is no proof he doped in 1996 Olympics.
@s0um06
@s0um06 3 жыл бұрын
*Sir why RANDY BARNES didn't participated after his world record ?*
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
Caught twice for PEDs
@MarkLL1961
@MarkLL1961 Жыл бұрын
Okay now, it's 2023 and you have to update this and account for Brian Crouser. One way or another, you have to speak to that and explain why you think he is or is not the GOAT.
@haojerry884
@haojerry884 3 жыл бұрын
if Crouser or Walsh won Tokyo 2021, what would be their rank?
@ThrowsUniversity
@ThrowsUniversity 3 жыл бұрын
Crouser definitely. Walsh may need another title
@richardpauly1635
@richardpauly1635 3 жыл бұрын
Crouser is number 1 but there the Olympics and pre 2021.
@35weight
@35weight 2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure what your criteria is for determining the top 6 all time shot putters. It does sound like you are basing your rankings on medals won at major championships as one criteria and "clean" athletes as another criteria. My question is are these the only criteria that you are considering? There are insights to additional athletes, that you might want to consider to determine the best shot putters of all time.
@cobbler88
@cobbler88 2 жыл бұрын
Despite the fact that he very specifically pointed out what the criteria was at the beginning of the video, this is still a mystery for you somehow?
@KLIPAMSoulRadioStation
@KLIPAMSoulRadioStation 3 жыл бұрын
...yes - Adam Nelson! His left kick swinging our like a sling shot was amazing to watch on videos...another over achiever..
@chriscotten472
@chriscotten472 2 ай бұрын
Ryan Crouser
@fotisfotis8060
@fotisfotis8060 2 жыл бұрын
Yo chill with crouser we know it already
@owleagle5072
@owleagle5072 3 жыл бұрын
Top 6 Shot Put Throwers without Ulf Timmermann, the GOAT of glide technique? Good joke.
@Ma007rk
@Ma007rk 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!!!!
@daviuchoa9971
@daviuchoa9971 3 жыл бұрын
Ulf timmerman ????
@owleagle5072
@owleagle5072 3 жыл бұрын
unbelievable he is not in here
@wilhelmw3455
@wilhelmw3455 3 жыл бұрын
We all know why he was an East German.
@rogehhavea7966
@rogehhavea7966 2 жыл бұрын
No one will compare to Ulf. Only glider at 23 meters and no one will ever come close
@mohandileepkumarmdk5916
@mohandileepkumarmdk5916 3 жыл бұрын
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@neilkorn786
@neilkorn786 3 жыл бұрын
As of this June I think you are going revisit your list. Anyway 2 & 3 have horrible technique. RC broke the WW by 8". That is just pure insanity and he has the best technique.
@richardlogrippo4997
@richardlogrippo4997 3 жыл бұрын
He only was accused of selling peds
@Whitegorillaboy
@Whitegorillaboy Жыл бұрын
This guy's list is bullshit. No Oldfield? No Barnes? No Crouser? No Timmermann? And Kovacs goes over 75' without drugs just because he beat a PED test? Come on.
@gmnboss
@gmnboss 2 жыл бұрын
Oeter
@se4385
@se4385 2 жыл бұрын
No Ulf Timmerman? 🤦🏾‍♂️
@bjf5027
@bjf5027 Жыл бұрын
Crowder??? Wtf??
@reymundogomez4394
@reymundogomez4394 3 ай бұрын
Horrible list. Godina isn’t even top 10. Adam is in the correct spot though so is Werner.
@kevinbrady6075
@kevinbrady6075 2 жыл бұрын
More nonsenes! HAHHHAHHAHHA!
@kurtfrancis4621
@kurtfrancis4621 3 жыл бұрын
Your selection sucks. Stay in PA.
@jamesgilligan6068
@jamesgilligan6068 Жыл бұрын
Brian Oldfield. Al Fuerbach.
@jamesgilligan6068
@jamesgilligan6068 Жыл бұрын
Udo Beyer
@jamesgilligan6068
@jamesgilligan6068 Жыл бұрын
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