Thrustmaster's new AvA mechanical base!

[@fireflyredux3373]

Here I am. Watching Ralfi play with his big black joystick...

[@lMrWongl]

all it took was one white claw and im here watching all 13 minutes of it....

[@Ethor98]

I only made it 5 seconds in. It' okay. Gives me a lot more to enjoy. Wait... wrong type of video. Oh well.

[@mik-ws3zw]

Brother.... xDDDD. god dammit

[@Froobyone]

Seeing your careworn TM Warthog made me realise how long I've had mine. 13 years. It's never missed a beat. Before the TM I would go through sticks every three years at at least. Probably the best simming investment I ever made. The new base looks great and probably finally gets rid of "sticktion", but I'm currently poor so I'll have to coax a few more years out of what I've got. Thanks for the video.

[@Tuuvas]

11:37 Ralfi just flexed on all of us

[@Tigermoto]

Says the man who does it with a controller

[@emgeepee-421]

Every Ralfi video is flex on all of us ;-)

[@DimosasQuest]

I just got a VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base, with free shipping no less, while on sale for less as 300 euros, just saying. But, good to see Thrustmaster's is getting back into the game, competition is always great.

[@Phoenixfett]

So image my supprise when i log onto youtube to show my daughter the new Lego horizens game trailer only for her to say "Daddy, isnt that your f18 texture you made?" - cutting my self after say no dont be silly to end up with her being right, So Ralfidude, PLEASE let me say thank you for the honor of having my skin on your thumb nail you've made my day i really appriciate it (we have rebranded and i have also remade the skin if you would like the newer one?)

[@brandonleasure1234]

Yo Ralfi Ive been watching your A10c videos since middle school and now I've graduated college and work in a foreign country. Crazy how long you've been putting out peak content.

[@murilomurakame]

Waiting for my base to arrive, to evaluate. But happy to know that the improvements are noticeable

[@rshust]

It’s better than the Warthog, but the offerings from VKB (Gladiator my beloved), WinWing and Virpil are much better value imo

[@MohammedMohammed-rd9fc]

Spring wobble versus that dry clutch slide. _Mmm._ TM's reluctance to release enthusiast hardware is revealing to how niche said market is, as if the cut needed for middlemen and marketing couldn't be covered at competitive cost. VKB, Virpil, Slaw, Milan, Wingwing, (not up to date on Honeycomb's latest issues) everyone pulling the weight on that end of the market are a grace for their efforts.

[@holdintheaces7468]

I got a full WinWing Orion2 setup for the same price you pay for a TM Warthog kit....There's absolutely no reason to ever get a TM setup if you can get WinWing for the same price

[@MohammedMohammed-rd9fc]

​@@holdintheaces7468 Indeed. Getting one ultimately meant swapping the base to upgrade away from the Warthog's gimbal. Even were prices comparable, TM doesn't quite compete on the same tier.

[@virtual812]

Totally agree... This is just Thrustmaster playing catch-up with the competition. Too little too late.

[@SimDeck]

@@holdintheaces7468 Did you have to pay import tax to the UK?

[@PappaBear_yt]

Well, Ralfi... Glad you're alive, man! And congrats on that silver thingy! Hope everything is well. 🙋🏼‍♂️

[@ISOTT78]

Congrats to your silver plate on youtube. Thanks for years full of infos, cool tutorials and other informativ clips. Greetz ot out europe - austria / tyrol.

[@JPsTechReviews]

Congrats on 100,000

[@WhiskeyHunterVAT69]

ah, the attack cat... Thank you for the VOD. 🥃🥃

[@ohdearjono]

agreed proper upgrade makes a huge difference

[@RelaxSimmer]

10:02 ... didn't expect that shit, man that was hilarious

[@risingsun9595]

Congrats, Ralf. I’ve been here since your AWACS attack vid with colt (an all time classic).

[@aquamich129]

Dude, thanks, that was a very nice video! great background music, nice montage. Did you ever notice why the yellow arrow as for on your warthog?? lol hilarious moment. Small tip I've learned on it. The easiest way to put springs is to lift the arm with your finger to shorten the distance between spings hooks! :)

[@WinchesterDelta1]

Congrats on the 100k subs man. It has been a long time watching your vids.

[@Wheelman_PCAS]

VRPIL WARBRD has been a great upgrade.

[@PaddyPatrone]

Warbrd-D is even better

[@jubuttib]

The default dampers were my biggest worry about this, and sounds like it was well founded. Having played around with rotary dampers of that type I had a sneaky feeling they wouldn't be heavy enough. Hopefully they'll release much more powerful ones later. Thanks for the review and showcase ralfi, always love that you air out your gripes on these. =)

[@IonoTheFanatics]

the additional height with the adapter seems to be perfectly suited for F-14, F-18 stick configuration arrangement with the stick in between your leg

[@DCSWORLDPAK]

Congratulations on 100K

[@tickledpinkmist]

I wouldn’t pay more than $150. For $300 buy a Virpil.

[@PaddyPatrone]

yup

[@GypsyGaming8883]

I waited almost a year from Virpil before cancelling. I might give this a try if it actually stays in stock. Thats the only draw I found with Virpil you will be waiting a while...

[@johnrsu1273]

@@GypsyGaming8883 A year? I'm calling BS on that chief. The longest I've ever waited on a Virpil order was 6 weeks and that was a pre-order. All the back-order stuff I've got was done in like 3-4 weeks max.

[@GypsyGaming8883]

@@johnrsu1273 nah man I know... I honestly waited almost a full year for a extension from Vipril and a buddy of mine waiting I think 6-8 months for a throttle.

[@VIRPILControls]

@@GypsyGaming8883 Hi! We've been pointed here by another user and we are deeply concerned about these claims. Can we please connect with you to get some more information? 6-8 months for a throttle is simply shocking - our recent leadtimes for throttle backorders has been in the 2-4 weeks range depending on which store you order from. A full year for an extension also sounds like there was an error with your order and I would love to investigate this for you and set things right!

[@babajagaisyou]

I can't believe my tmwh is nearly pristine. Got it in 2015 and played maybe a total of 150 hours on it, till my daughter was born in 2020. Haven't touched it since and now getting back into flying.

[@yoyoyoyoshua]

I've been using the AVA since release and at first I wasn't too sure cause of the bouncing but then after using it for some time and after setting some deadzones so far it's great for me.

[@sunrrrise]

Because it is not impacting flying. It is just a bullshit artificial test. The only dumpers that would be welcomed are the ones that make your joystick basically a deadstick.

[@wojciechgurycz9168]

Advanced Versatile Aviation my big toe, Here we are at the end of 2024 and Thrustmaster is taking us 10 years back with their new outdated tech product release. We really needed it.

[@WhyitJellyDonut]

Congrats on 100k subs Mr.Ralfiguy

[@skatterpro]

Wake me up when they drop a FFB base.

[@44R0Ndin]

if this is $300, they're gonna want $1000 for an FFB stick base, easy. And at that rate you gotta start asking yourself "VR headset or force-feedback base for a stick I already have?"

[@drzanzibar]

Gotta say, good customizable dampers change the game. I have two vkb mk3 bases. With some nyogel they do not bounce/wobble. One is springless for heli flying and holds its place while also having negligible stiction. I think it costs less than this too. Definitely need to make sure that dampers are good (and regrease with nyogel which is so so worth the effortl

[@maianoguillaume]

"What is this in the background? I'm so glad you asked". Well, it was easier to spot than a jet in DCS...

[@warrenx9]

I got mine on the day of release and returned it within 24 hours. I also have had the TM Warthog since the day of release many years ago. I've always been a huge fan of TM(with many other peripherals). But after the AVA I just switched to the Winwing Orion2. I do have to say, I love it. Hopefully TM Can make the AVA better in the future.

[@realheyday]

What in particular is wrong? Interested in comparing it to other options

[@Nate-ip4qo]

Am I crazy or is the Virpil Warbird base more featured for slightly less money? That one has adjustable dampers in it, doesn't it?

[@Chaos_Rifle]

Correct. Warbrd-D has better dampers and is more full featured, allows for a LOT of firmware tuning like axis-to-buttons and button-to-axis at a firmware level, and can accept virpil or thrustmaster grips, with hall effect sensors. No clue what the new TM base is using, but I am alarmed by it not being mentioned what sensors its using, or at least its resolution.

[@marcusborderlands6177]

Welcome to "established giant brand vs new scrappy underdog"

[@rainerbehrendt9330]

Had it on the first Day of release. Nice. First Time without crashing the Gazelle. Also lighter on the Wrist.

[@neym67]

I mounted my (legacy) Warthog to my Virpil desk mounts with a small piece of wood 'sandwiched' between. Allows for infinite placement of mounting screws from top and bottom. $0.02

[@scottdaastol]

Gz on 100k🎉

[@lagesmanuna]

When they announced this base I was determined to buy it. But after many reviews stating how springy it was I've changed my mind.

[@McPinpin]

Congratulations for the 100k, and thanks for what you are doing Sir 🫡

[@hawkexo]

Insightful review. Thank you for the thorough breakdown

[@jamesmcd71]

I just don't understand what the people at Thrustmaster are thinking. They have had a monopoly in the flight sim segment for over a decade. After years of being for better products Thrustmaster just ignored all of us. Over the last 5 years Winwing, VKB, and others have produced very high quality products at a much better price. Now Thrustmaster wants to keep there customers or do they? From the majority plastic $500 F16 throttle to this overpriced plastic toy. It's like Thrustmaster don't want to provide a quality product.

[@slammerf16]

It's tempting but my next upgrade will be to FFB - hopefully the big players will pick up on that and a mass produced option will become available. My OG Warthog will have to soldier on for a while yet.

[@silentflyer5498]

Thank you for the review. I must admit I was worried that the base would be a ball-in-socket type gimbal, but I must say that the quality of the cam type looked really solid and high quality. Funny thing (or maybe not) that on RC transmitters, even the really cheap ones from china, all have the cam style gimbals. So the fact that we still get expensive joysticks today with the ball-and-socket type is just shameful. I just wished that Thrustmaster would have worked a bit more on the height of the base.

[@hansiminator69]

I see Ralfi video, I click :)

[@armeytank]

ill be more interested when they get force feedback for prop aircraft.

[@Soundwave857]

Drill a 10cm hole in your desk, mount the gimbal right below it so you can un-screw the stick and plug the hole with a flat plug. That price is ruff. I have my Warthog stick on the VKB Gladiator MK2 which costs 95€ and has a fully mechanical gimbal

[@Jackice]

congrats with the silver plat ralfidude, now it was about time you uploaded again, RL keeping you away so will there be any S&G any time soon?

[@rustybuckets07]

The adaptor looks like it could something I'd try and at 30 dollars is probably worth a punt, but I've had nothing but trouble with TM hardware, car and flight, so I won't be going down that route any time soon.

[@RIKAAR_Ambient]

FFB is coming huge this year! No More Spring Loaded

[@ravagetalon]

Is the sensor hall effect?

[@unklezam7873]

How does it compare to the WarBRD base?

[@iammorpheus7345]

Hey, I noticed you have the thrust master.Tqs, viper, I have that as well, and i've been experiencing some issues where my. Antenna nob, my zoom in for my TGP And my rdr cursor will activate when i'm moving my throttle, sometimes to the point where I will lose my target track or it will actually zoom in and out while i'm either decrease or increase the throttle .Have you seen any of that issue with yours. I've tried to reach out to thrust.Master for some guidance on this, but i'm not got anything and honestly.Could not recommend this due to this.

[@Tuuvas]

Babe, wakeup! Ralfi uploaded!

[@Chaos_Rifle]

I'm up. I'm up!

[@mbsniper5775]

We love u ralfi !

[@onibilos]

Warthog hotas is still the best! I have mine for 6 years and its like new, right out of the box look.it's the highest quality on the market still with metal materials and high quality buttons and switches. Also it is a replica of a-10! every other hotas its an imaginary panel full of switches.. The best for TM is to release a warthog thrust with metal thrustgrips, better slew hat and magnetic EAC switch. every other part of it is just perfect still!

[@ReliefDragon]

While I'd happily agree with you that the TM sticks are excellent. The Warthog as a whole package isn't even close to being the best on the market. Its base is dated, cheaply made, and suffers from some serious design flaws that keep it from competing with the newer designs like the WarBRD and Gladiator.

[@DrofsehDCS]

Do you know if the AVA Offset Adapter is compatible with the original warthog A-10 stick and base?

[@utley]

300 bucks just for the base...used to be 300 bucks just for the stick & base. I still have my 13 yr old warthog joystick which I have modded to work on my VKB base, but I would be interested in knowing if going back to Thrustmaster would be worth it. Ive had a virpil warBRD, I use a VKB MCE Ultimate with a 200mm extension, and I honestly loved my warthog the most even with the gimbal issues and stiction stuff.

[@HowlerBikeVlogs]

goddammit, i just spent a bunch on simracing equipment allready this year, and now they throw this at me... i was thinking of adding another stick base to my cockpit setup so i can more easily swap between stick on the side or between the legs setups... this might just be exactly the right hardware, using the mechanical base for right console, and the old warthog base for between the legs with an extension( i'd love that for chopper flying)

[@TrueBlade-1889]

So where was the F16 stick ?

[@silverphinex]

still disappointed no FFB options from any of these manufacturers but its a nice base

[@RW-zn8vy]

Because it’s expensive, not too many people will shell out like a grand in just a base.

[@silverphinex]

@@RW-zn8vy And i can still be disappointed that they don't even seem to be trying to come up with a product to fill that portion of the market. I built my own FFB stick base and all up including grip it was around 850$ which yes is still expensive but not unobtanium

[@RW-zn8vy]

@@silverphinex did I say you couldn’t be disappointed? lol I was just saying it’s expensive af. From a business perspective it’s probably not worth it. Especially since it’s a niche market.

[@RW-zn8vy]

@@silverphinex also yes it cost you 850 to make yourself so imagine how much a company would charge people.

[@henrikoldcorn]

Something you didn’t really mention was (for someone like me also coming from a TMWH) why should I care? What’s better about this mechanism than the ball thingy? I guess it’s…better, somehow? I guess I’ll look into it in a decade or so when my current setup starts to get properly old!

[@ilejovcevski79]

Kinda agree with ya, offset adapter for a desk mount is a bit weird. Good info overall. Would i buy one? Certainly not right now, my VPC is serving me fine so far, and if anything i am more in need of a more functional throttle quadrant, but would i consider it in the future? Maybe, depending on the number of sticks available.

[@JonahTsai]

I really don't like the no center transition... 1 hour flight, and Warthog is back in my pit. So, my own force generation stick and base projects are still a go.

[@ImNotAFederalAgent]

I miss when Ralfi used to wear a button-up during these reviews

[@NZSIMRACER]

What's a good plane game ? iam thinking about getting one just got a pc . And a beginner flight stick ?

[@AlexKall]

What I don't like with the warthog is the sticking.

[@jakub-k]

he bacc

[@boarnoah]

Thanks for the candid review, but Yikes. The amount of issues and caveats in place for a relatively expensive stick. I guess it is a good option if you are really into a replica-like Thrustmaster stick? In all other cases it seems like such a bad idea.

[@hhubert1088]

Hey Ralfi, do you have any idea if the ava base plate works with the Orion 2. It seems much sturdier than the one that came with mine and might be an easy 30$ upgrade if compatible

[@44R0Ndin]

If you have a drill, that AVA plate is universally compatible. It's just a flat piece of metal. Nothing special about it. Drill holes where you need them if your base doesn't fit and you think this one's sturdier.

[@bBersZ]

Half a G for another flight stick with no force feedback is certifiable.. It's 2024 and I am getting more immersion from an 8 button stick that came out in the 90's, why? Because of it's killer FFB.

[@michaelfrock2473]

How would you rate this compared to Virpil.

[@rapidrapid01]

ralfi you didn't say what was your preferred combination i.e Springs set, Cams and which Offset Adaptor you liked best. I would like to know just out of interest. I mean what was the that you found between the Jet and Aero. I understand that there will be a slight variance but not much. So what did you settle for?

[@ralfidude]

I'm gonna make a followup video showcasing what I ended up going with. Just want to make sure I get enough of play with it first.

[@rapidrapid01]

@@ralfidude Sounds like a good deal. Will catch it when you air it as i am a Subscriber to your channel....gotta love the A-10!

[@ColinDyckes]

I got my AVA base at release and use the Jet cams but with Medium springs. Gives me the same force as the original with a 6 inch extension. Really good upgrade!

[@rapidrapid01]

@@ColinDyckes I do the same

[@hobgoblingaming9128]

they changed the centering metered

[@thedangerzone9399]

Be warned, Ava base doesn't work with Target software.

[@ziepex7009]

whats all that white stuff on it ralfi

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

No Force Feedback - again? So it's bull$#!+ - again. Will any of those companies ever even remotely understand where the money is actually at?

[@abcpea]

I don't get why they are still making high-end sticks which are neither progressive rate or (sufficiently) dampened. Doesn't look too hard to add onto this, at least.

[@44R0Ndin]

Progressive rate is all about the cam profile, and they did say "this is only what we have "for now", more is coming later". They're probably looking for feedback on what people want them to sell.

[@masterskilhollow]

Thanks for the AVA review, I sort of impulse-bought one already (I should never get on Amazon drunk lol), really liking it so far. I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't love that wobble. I hope TM hurries those dampners (dampers?) along. I'd been thinking about getting a base for my TM F-18 stick so I don't have to swap it on and off my aging Warthog base anyway, and the timing on the AVA worked out. I also like the offset doohickey; I use a Monstertech desk mount so the height is fine for me. EDIT: Oh, and congrats on hitting 100k, man, looking forward to many more awesome videos to come!

[@Shiraumere]

"So we introduced a problem but don't worry we have a thing for that. Oh that thing created a problem? Don't worry we have a thing for that. Oh you have a problem? We have a thing for that. This is straight up just a scam at this point bro....

[@ColinDyckes]

I pre-ordered and got my AVA base at release and use the Jet cams but I changed to the Medium springs. Gives me the same force as the original Warthog base with a 6 inch extension. Really good well engineered upgrade, and I used my existing mount as the holes are compatible. Ignore the haters, this is a great upgrade if you have TM grips (I have A10 and F18)!

[@jj1brosky]

I WANT TO GET THIS TO PLAY DCS BUT IM TOO POOR!!!😭😭😭

[@oldmanfunky4909]

To expensive when there are better options out there. Edit: VKB NXT EVO $135 best option. VKB also has a very nice throttle.

[@hornetj3777]

Will there be an Xbox compatible version? I hope many questions will be answered at FlightSimExpo 2024 later this month.

[@captainkiddoregon]

TM started local here in the developers garage. I went and picked up the first original TM from there, very nice individual. It was pretty much the first of its kind as far as fighter jet joysticks for PC. It really wasn't that great since the gimble system was aluminum and was a bit sloppy and wore a bit. But it was still cool. I still have it. I did upgrade to the Hotas Warthog too. Haven't flown in years but keep thinking about getting back into DCS. I really like the idea of this new base. We'll see if I pick one up in the near future. Thank you Ralfi for this review. Miss seeing new videos though.

[@the88tench3]

Can this base support a 3rd party 3D printed stick extension? If so, I may have to consider this as an upgrade path for my warthog stick. Wish Thrustmaster would make a FFB stick base that's at a sensible price too, given they've been making FFB wheels for years now

[@Mak10z]

Awesome, now hear me out TM... FORCE FEEDBACK Please

[@djlolypop]

Brother!

[@argus3091]

I've been waiting for this I jumped out of my pants when I saw that TM made a mechanical base

[@PaddyPatrone]

Needing an adapter just to angle your grip is such a backwards move. Why does it work without an adapter on my virpil warbrd-d and not on the AVA base? This Base and its price doesnt make any sense.

[@jellowiggler]

How we just need need a left handed space grip. And pedal prices that don't suck.

[@onyoursix2268]

I've had mine for as long and thrustmaster basically told me to go F myself for parts but I'm not a KZbin star

[@WhiskeyDale]

you telling me Ralfidude doesn't have a Sim-Pit ??

[@MrAnarchymaker]

is there anyway to play games with ya

[@the_angry_cat]

Meanwhile my broke self with a 3d printed joystick:

[@jimmy8x541]

blergh!! stop being a desktop weirdo and embrace the mounts! they are such a game changer

[@TomP-148]

Hi dad

[@gallagherthewolf5845]

Hi ralfi 🙂

[@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial]

Oh snap Ralfi got that TM sponsor? And finally upgrading oh dang lmao 🤣🤣

[@Chaos_Rifle]

Shame you didnt talk about sensors, as thats really the whole point of the thing.. For less versatility than a virpil gimbal, its really a shame its more expensive.

[@Peacekeeper-118]

still no force feedback, yay.....

[@JK-dv3qe]

Ava Devine?

[@mustezdcs6329]

Hahha brother ewwww got to ur video hahahah ,I'm gonna show him

[@gertkriel6080]

Just mount the base plate at the desired angle.. and chuck that angle extender offset adapter thingy. That wobble is horrible!! More new gear, that is more expensive and sucks… No thanks!