Thunder Vs Viper | F-16C Viper Vs JF-17 Thunder | Dogfight | DCS |

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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com Big thank you to you guys for watching, and big thanks to Ardun for helping with this video. Got Ideas for more videos? Comment them below and we'll see what we can do.

[@vuktonic6281]

Try mig29 over Serbia during NATO offensive in 1999, against f16

[@Anarchy_420]

F-22 VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR!👍 You destroyed Six North Korean MIG-29's in The F-16! Longshot destroyed Eight North Korean MIG-29's in The F-15! Lol next logical fight ;)

[@Anarchy_420]

8:44 lmao wtf he must have been so mad to have done that, cheater!😂🤣

[@MaticJ29]

@@Anarchy_420 even the kindest dogs bite when provoked! xD

[@fawadhaq6607]

Reverse the roles in next fight

[@roguesnipergaming-dylanses8714]

GS: He can't use fox 2s so I'll nose counter. Opponent: And I took that personally.

[@lancet.346]

Absolutely lost it at the "my name if Jeff" insert. This channel is just brilliant.

[@pietroferrari4279]

Same here

[@munnumkhalid]

It's very old. There was channel chris gamming he used it a year ago.

[@lancet.346]

@@munnumkhalid Old jokes can still be funny.

[@shannon1267]

Myname isnjeff

[@lancet.346]

@@shannon1267 Gets me every time!

[@MaticJ29]

The part where you annoyed him so much that he shot a FOX-2 was hilarious!

[@baomao7243]

GS: It’s an all guns fight … JF: That’s not what i heard 😳

[@shrugs3233]

The f-16s gun is so satisfying, you pull the trigger and you don't see anything until they just light up.

[@The_Original_Brad_Miller]

@Garoni will save it And I'm just the opposite. I enjoy the tracers especially when you're in a hard turn and they are arcing out there hard, Takes all kinds I guess. 😁

[@mower2008]

8:44 "Screw you, GS! Here's a nice Fox 2 up your tailpipe!" -JF-17 pilot 😂😂😂

[@sol2wit781]

The JF-17 is another jet that enemies should not be messing with

[@yaseen157]

Man that one circle fight with the nose counters had some excellent (aesthetically pleasing) flying/manoeuvring

[@Kev376]

Yeah GS is definitely improving

[@jaek__]

The F-16 is no slouch in the 1C

[@profo4544]

The JF-17 has more modern avionics in some regards, however, you pay forwhat you get in the F-16. Block 2 JF-17 is an 8g, Mach 1.6 jet while the F-16C Block 52 is a 9g Mach 2.1 jet. The F-16 boasts a MUCH better thrust to weight, sustained turn rate, and payload capacity. The JF-17 block 3 will put it on par with the F-16, while at a much lower cost. It is also important to note that F-16s are easily upgraded with the latest gadgets like AESA radars and IRST. Just because the F-16 is old doesn't mean it's outdated. They are both 4th gen airplanes being upgraded to 4+ gen.

[@meinhaj]

Thanks so much GS, I remember I requested this from you and you are kind enough to oblige. Really wanted to see what these two planes could do against each other, as the JF-17 was designed based on the F-16 but without an equivalent powerful engine available they had to improvise.

[@shoaib3036]

I am Pakistani I have some friends in PAF. They say Maintenance and reliability of F16 is unmatched although they admit that Jf 17 latest block 3 matches F 16MLUs performance in terms of avionics and electronics. Nice to see your video. Are these both aircraft in the same markings???

[@retardmoguss]

Yeah they are in the same markings of PAF

[@sourabhgupta4853]

PAF is using older version of F-16s and even latest block 3 model of jf-17 can not replace f-16 as they are superior in almost all aspects.

[@retardmoguss]

@@sourabhgupta4853 I think they have some F-16 Block 50s and 52s as well if I am not mistaken. That being said all the F-16 in Pakistani Airforce are very capable which goes without saying. The older ones are more agile iirc

[@retardmoguss]

@@sourabhgupta4853 the JF-17 Block 3 has much better radar than the older F-16 so even if it can't replace, it doesnt mean its inferior

[@mralive9360]

Jf17 was designed to replace aging f7 and mirages it is supposed to be a cost effective cheap cost and cheap to maintain fighter and it's alot cheaper than a new f16

[@Waltzyy]

Holy hell that move around 3:56 was pretty nutty.

[@RaderizDorret]

GS was on the wrong end of a similar maneuver when he took the JF-17 against an F-15. It shows up in his Moments of Death Compilations, complete with goat scream as it points its nose and shoots him in the face.

[@cipher8971]

@@RaderizDorret I was thinking the same exact maneuver. GS learned from his mistakes👌🏾🤌🏾

[@Shadowboost]

Old school WW2 post stall rudder turn

[@zachboyd4749]

@@RaderizDorret I said in that vid it looked like something out of The Sky Crawlers, and I still stand by it!

[@Vanessaira-Retro]

GS: " I'm going to nose counter and frustrate him." JF-17 Pilot: "Yeah, cool story bro, FOX 2!!!"

[@haseebwaqar8980]

I want to see same fight with you piloting JF-17.

[@hamidselectronics4863]

Right! GS pushes our Thunder beyond its limits.

[@RamiJatuk69]

It's always the man behind the machine. The results would've been different if GS was flying the JF-17 Thunder.

[@blahblahblah23424]

lmao "enough of this shit, fox-2"

[@Anarchy_420]

Hell yeah! Thanks GS!! I've been askin for this! Watching now lol freakin excited to see the results😁👍👍

[@cipherunknown_]

I'm Pakistani and I indeed found this video particularly interesting.

[@muhammadashraf8189]

❤

[@hamidselectronics4863]

F-16: Hehe, you can not get me. Thunder: Then here is a gift.

[@airriccarioballadares622]

While in the fourth also have a gift for jf17 hahaha

[@Someonehasstolenmyhandle]

That moment, ,when Jeff had enough of that, nose countering shittery..😂

[@clementnoel6663]

I'd like to see a viper vs rafale dogfight, maybe soon GS ? ;)

[@BackerCZ]

Your knowledge of this game is absolutely brilliant. And it's a real pleasure to watch.

[@RazerTheDuck]

sidewinder basically shot the physics out of the JF-17 that first fight my goodness gracious

[@hassamnasir938]

As a Pakistani.. i really enjoyed the video.. hoping to see u in JF17 next time!

[@GM-fh5jp]

Glad to hear "Requiem for the Dying" is back for the slo-mo shots. The unmistakable sound of Growling Sidewinder in the DCS Universe.

[@Stinger522]

I think the Viper had it real easy in this video. The gun on the JF-17 is really a piece of shit.

[@munnumkhalid]

In PAF they say dont even think you have guns in Jeff and they don't even load bullets that much in the fighter for the A to A role.

[@elijahsajeel7896]

Yeah GS this was really interesting. Thanks for doing this for us Pakistanis.

[@slayerofmidgets3201]

I'd have lost my patience with your nose counters so much earlier than they did lmao

[@saqibnadeem8479]

Gunfight in a Jeff doesn’t make much of a sense when u know it’s not for air to air role, you explained it really well and F 16 got better engine with better thrust to weight ratio as well.

[@SovietToaster]

The natural progression now: Thunder vs Lightning

[@matiaedo9634]

"oh, wha-" LMAOOOO 8:40

[@basecubing612]

Hi GS! Personally I would really like to see a dogfighting tutorial. For me personally I would love to see the F16 but it would also be awesome if it was in general. You absolutly don't need to do this but I would love to see it. Thanks for all your videos man! They're awesome and you're awesome!

[@ghostrider1827]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the Jeff pilot said fuck this gun shit!! Take this fox 2!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Cmoth040]

The JF-17 looks like the illegitimate child of an F-16 and the F-20 Tigershark.

[@larrysteve7272]

That fox 2 kill reminded me of that Mirage 2000 Mig-29 dog fight video where GS was trying all sorts of Maneuvers to avoid guns just to get slapped with a fox 2

[@MiG-31893]

Please can you do Gripen vs JF-17 next time? (With you in the gripen)

[@Anarchy_420]

Absolutely brilliant! Really appreciate the fact that you take request! Again thank you😁✌ Loved how much better The F-16 is compared to the JF-17 now with the changes made, much better!👍👍 Lol plus an amazing pilot always helps ;)

[@spookyNorbert]

The F-16 is just a category of its own. Both aestheticially and technically. A true legend. A fighters pilot fighter. I was in love in that feminine shape of the F-16 since I was 8, since I first saw the Iron Eagle.. It's basically the SEXiest fighter in an entire Aviation History!

[@Anarchy_420]

@@spookyNorbert lol I can appreciate your appreciation for The F-16! For me it's The F-22 I kno I kno that's what most people would likely say but it's true that's my favorite😅

[@Anarchy_420]

@@spookyNorbert lol no comment on the Vids I sent lmao I wonder if I'm wasting my time whenever I try and share things...

[@Ali-bz9gd]

Id recommend that you play 4rounds instead of 5, 2as F16 and the other 2 as JF17, so we know its you not ze plane.

[@b2tall239]

"He seemed happy...." Damn, GS......your eyesight is way better than mine. I thought he looked a tad morose but hey, I wear glasses for a reason 😁 Thanks for another excellent video 👏

[@suspiciousobscurity9886]

man i cant stress enough how much i love your videos, always educational, always entertaining, always fu, you have the perfect channel hands down

[@dougnixon6464]

4:27 what a shot, with the guns and the camera! :P

[@vhira]

I would like to see Su30mki vs the F16 viper.

[@dherm2345]

GS, what is the name of your closing soundtrack?

[@kaiyumahmed4676]

Not just Pakistani also loving from Bangladesh ❤️🇧🇩

[@venome447]

and Seriously we miss Bengali Pilots in PAF ,,

[@paez4779]

I've been dying to see this! Thank you!!!

[@hamidselectronics4863]

I think that the gun in Thunder was angled for ground targets, i don't know exactly. Because I saw may events and programe on TV in which the Jeff stikes ground target with gun precisely.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Yes, that’s what I say in the video

[@kenhelmers2603]

And frustration level goes up to ENOUGH LOL Good fights, thanks GS

[@jamesj.7750]

GS: this is a guns only fight. *takes a fox 2 in the ass* GS: C'mon Jeff! 🤣

[@avramnovorra]

Finally the showdown i was looking for for some time and now i know what to and what not to do in a Jeff vs Viper battle.. noice!!

[@F22Lover]

Hey GS! Just wanted to say I love your content and really want to get DCS! Flying the Viper or Raptor is my dream

[@Legendary_Tales]

Growling Sidewinder: 1080p?!?! WHY?!?! one of the main reasons I watcn your channel is because you post in glorious 4K. I truly love those videos! Please resume that standard.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

The 4K processing is KZbin being slow to process it, it eventually will go to 4K but it’s out of my hands as to the timing.

[@bukhariali71]

Rudder is your best friend when flying the JF17. If slow, it can do some crazy Hornet like stuff with the rudder. Have to time. It right and flip the nose right on the bandit.

[@whalelord9641]

I'm pretty sure I scared my neighbors laughing as loud as I did when he fired the fox 2. That was great.

[@stinkyfungus]

That first gun rip in slow mo was a real snuff film... Just hosed the poor bastard Right down the centerline.

[@zahnatom]

the jf-17 when hit: *spiiiiiin*

[@MaticJ29]

SPEEEEN

[@IceyJones]

that fox2 kill XD.....well.....technically you tried to extend XD

[@shadekerensky3691]

We still totally need either the IL2 career and/or the F-104 Starfighter Bomber Intercept/Mig 21 Bomber Escort mission.

[@astonmartinzz]

Watching you flex your defensive muscles in a disadvantage situation was very nice to watch. How fast your training came back to keep him off you while you flew his fight and still overcame is impressive. It would be cool to see you in a conversation with some pilots from agressor squadrons here in the States. See how fast they offer you a sim instructor position!

[@speedbirdmuc5182]

Thank you Growling, you are the best! 🙏🤙

[@kaiezesi6630]

Overshoot any secondddd.... oh waht!? Boom

[@victorshikhman]

I've always wondered... are the F-16 or other jets able to aim the gun within some narrow band? So, you'd point the nose, get him in the hud, and within some tenths of one degree through the effective range, the guns can adjust to give you a little more accuracy. Or is raw nose position the only way to "aim" guns? I always thought it was the latter, but in some of these videos, it seems like you shouldn't be able to hit him through nose position and still do, as though there is some mechanical adjustment of the gun besides raw nose position. Maybe you could give us a class in using guns on a western fighter like F-16, understanding the HUD elements, etc.

[@RR-us2kp]

Gun is fixed. But the radar gives a solution to shoot depending on the distance to target. At least that's how the f18 works. Pretty sure f16 is same

[@thepilotman5378]

If you look at it for long enough, the jf-17 just looks like a F-5E or F-20 with bigger leading edge extensions, it's very aerodynamically simple compared to an F-16 or F-15

[@silasira23]

Is the reason you said "oops" after the first kill because IRL dog fights are respected by both pilots and the goal is to knock out the plane more than the pilot? I always wondered if there was a mutual respect between two opposing pilots in a dogfight 🤔

[@danishbegmirza]

I think this was pure pilot expertise more than anything.

[@DoradoFever]

Now what about BVR GS Viper vs. JF-17

[@jacobusstefanuspotgieter1332]

What is the name of the last intrumental tune that you use in your video from 13:46 onward. I like it. I want to look for it in i Tunes. Thanks for taking the F16 out again. I hope we see it dancing in the skies one day against the Mirage. Guns and missiles.

[@Rana_Ans]

how about an F-16 vs JS-17, FOX-2 flight please :D

[@hamzaj888]

jf17 will surely lose as f16 have helmet mounted display n high off boresight missile which jeff doesn't have

[@abdulmoeez549]

That fox 2 was unfair! Against the ethos!

[@rafaqatwazir9267]

We Pakistanis have unconditional love for the Viper...its symbol of power and agility for us in pakistan if someone want to show the speed, power and agility even for his motorbike he would write F 16 on it😂😍 even i saw a horse name as F 16...

[@musaratjahan7954]

Makes sense. The Viper is a really fast and agile beast

[@Jr-uh2so]

I thought he went to fox2 cause he was out of rounds. Haha. Those were some legit disco moves!

[@adityasilwal7069]

That "my name a Jeff" got me bad XD

[@acarrillo8277]

Man oh man you turned the pilot into chunky salsa on that first round

[@jayminer9416]

"My name is Jeff" DEAD!!!!!!

[@Michaelkaraz]

Well fought GS respect man

[@VelnixFilms]

Exciting dogfight!!

[@bc3713]

It's so nice to see the f-16 flying like I know it. Before it looked like it had bags on the whole time

[@itsmahin5315]

JF-17 Vs F-16............🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Very interesting video.......✨🎉🎊

[@najabatkamal]

If GS pilots Jeff, results will be different I BELIEVE! afterall, it's all about the man behind machine. Nice video friend. Loves and respects from Pakistan. And my request is "J10-C vs Rafael" (5 vs 5). Thanks!!!

[@qiyuxuan9437]

The guns on Jeff is very very hard to use, so probably not....Unlike F-16, JF-17 is really not designed to do guns only dogfight, only fox2 dogfight.

[@najabatkamal]

@@qiyuxuan9437 That's true.

[@sol2wit781]

(F-16 vs JF-17) It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot

[@_Feyd-Rautha]

That second kill was so nasty. Friggen sniper

[@shahidbukhari1]

JF17 is a 4+ gen interceptor not a WWIi fighter ...it deploys missiles in both short and long range ATA combat ...

[@Quillevergreen12345]

That maneuver is called the hammerhead turn. 3:50

[@MuhammadAhmed-in8]

That's the aerial war I always wanted to see

[@mustafatariq3252]

Oh man GS listened to the request. Thanks alot, do one with the fox 2s as well.

[@philippgro2797]

what if the F-16C Viper and JF-17 Thunder get a gun pod so the JF-17 Thunder doesn't have to compensate for that 8°?

[@omer_dr_7211]

Hey GS nice video Can you do f16 vs jf 17 BVR fight it will be interessting thx

[@Triple87]

Hahahah…. He said enough of that shit…. Fox 2…

[@dad27rcaf33]

In that first kill, as you was panning in slow motion at one point viewing the dead JF pilot he looked just like Elon Musk Star Man lol...

[@drush525]

Not sure what the feasibility of doing a modern hornets nest all out fight with like 20 vs. 20?

[@williamapodaca8614]

Hm, the Jeff might be able to keep up more with the EFCS/turning off the limiter

[@jarrettdavis1181]

Was wondering if you could do the scenario from the movie Iron Eagle. I know it’s not really realistic, but it could be fun.

[@f224life]

I Would be VERY Curious to see a fight between F-16 Viper and F-35!!~~~

[@muhammadfaizan2461]

finally....thanks for the video

[@leocastillo6828]

Can you please do the f18 vs the f15

[@nicolassullivan5577]

F- 16C Viper vs Gripen e

[@userphone4359]

Helicopter against intercepter - wil be interesting to see and to imagine different variants.

[@saadfarooqbhatti61]

Do a dogfight between paf j10c vs iaf rafale

[@shahrozsaqib6289]

It all comes down to man behind the machine

[@312pratik]

Please make a video on SU-30 MKI vs F-16 viper dogfight.

[@netsimam]

The F-16 would most definitely win