Tia Toomey, Joe Rogan, and the Liver King

• Liver King Saved His S...
The entire Sevan Podcast. AKA the first the Liver King had ever been on.
Tia Toomey, Joe Rogan, and the Liver King with this
title I expect big things.
If you are here for the Tia portion, skip to the 30:00 mark.
If Tia Toomey were to pop, I would be the first to try to help out (of course everything is situational). But, I do not like to beat on people when they are down.
The does no go for Joe Rogan when he talks about the Liver King. Look deeper man. You are smarter than that.
The Liver King saved his kids lives. This is why he does what he does. If you think otherwise you have the emotional inteligence of a 5 year old.
"Steroids are bad, he cheated."
Yeah and Santa was real too.
Grow up,
-Coach Andrew

[@wolfsamuels2357]

Claiming that he was trying to help young men who are hurting themselves by lying to them is breathtaking arrogance. What are these people supposed to do when they don't achieve his physique after eating his capsules - they feel better? No they feel worse.

[@jimchaput9034]

I never watched the Liver King's videos and am indifferent about his steroid use. The only relevant fact is that he lied multiple times and we can never know why he lied. Maybe to make loads of money, maybe to spread his message of ancestral tenets, maybe some other reason. He has lost all credibility and there is no way to know whether any of his stories are true (including about his kids). It is foolish to believe anything he says when he admitted to lying about something so significant. The ancestral tenets may be the greatest thing ever. Still, living by them was not enough to overcome his own insecurities and mental health issues. If anything, he has shown the tenets are ineffective to solve his issues. These are the same issues that he says in his confession are what drives him to help others and he showed clearly that he does not know how to fix those. If you want to learn how to live a healthy life, there are many more credible sources out there. Why would anyone listen to anything he says?

[@83442handle]

He lied to sell more supplements. Thats literally it. His company's growth went exponential since he went viral in Sept 2021 which means they are making far more money because of his marketing. He had to lie because that would hurt his company's supplement business.

[@BarryMcCockinerEsq]

Agreed and people are licking his fucking boots like he’s this good person.

[@katefoster9743]

@@83442handle gosh I hope he gets sued for false advertising!

[@gregrcurry]

Have you ever lied? Does that mean nothing you ever say again can be trusted? That doesn’t make sense.

[@katefoster9743]

@@gregrcurry are you for real? Hiller has a go at Brooke Wells for changing Mattress company sponsors (worth probably a couple of thousand dollars to her) and you guys are defending a bloke who has made $150M out of a lie???? Boy the world is seriously crazy when people have the blinders on. Ever seen the Emperors New Clothes!

[@artemiosalas6083]

The biggest issue here is not that he is using PEDs. The issue is that he lied about using PEDs. He was asked multiple times and lied to us directly. He could of been honest and spoken in how it has helped with his health and well being and using the 9 ancestral tenants for support. If it wasn't for the emails he would of kept on lying. Yes he has a great message to offer and help support those that need it but not with a trail of lies.

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

What if he lied for the greater good ? If he admitted steroids from the start then the people who follow him would get on steroids before they started training or they wouldn't even bother !

[@artemiosalas6083]

@@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017 wouldn't that be the same for other fitness personalities who have opened about PED use? You have CBUM, Arnold, Jat Cutler, Ronnie Coleman and Jeremy Buendia to name a few. It doesn't start and stop with Liver King. The use of PEDs.

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

@Xx IO His supplements aren't sold as muscle builders promising massive steroid like gains not like the way turkesterone was marketed ! His supplements were sold as health and immune support which would be a good idea if you're on a massive cycle !

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

@@artemiosalas6083 Arnold inspired multiple generations to start pumping iron and built an entire industry . so he did a good thing by lying ! Rich piana was honest but he became disgusted that his young fans were coming up to him telling him that they are starting a cycle on day one of the gym without even trying it naturally ! Before the internet steroids were part of a secret club and hardly anyone was dying now that the info is everywhere people are dying left and right !

[@angelaleiter5252]

I'm confused. Lately there have been several videos raking people over the coals for "lying" about various things. Examples off the top of my head: Brooke Wells, Dave Lipson, Tia Toomey. So why does this guy get a pass? Seems inconsistent

[@katefoster9743]

How about the 3 videos tearing into Dave Hippensteel. It’s definitely a face palm for me supporting the Liver King over his lies (and $150M) v DH and his no reps in a contest where he doesn’t make any money?

[@ephemeralconnection3827]

Nothing changes the fact that this man vehemently denied taking steroids on numerous occasions. His apology video was evasive.

[@RogueCylon]

He basically had prepared a spin. Probably developed over years just in case.

[@Vincentmpalermo]

hard to listen to someone who tries to destroy tia saying she’s on steroids and other athletes but wants us to feel bad for liver king what do you think your video does bashing tia she does noting but spread positivity for crossfit and people and you tried to destroy her hillier is acting like a bully

[@Vincentmpalermo]

dude you put our great work just the more popular you get which you should cause your videos are great i feel like you and sevan are becoming hypercritics on certain topics that would benefit you hope liver kind is not a sponsor of your show if someone beats his wife once a year but treats her like a queen the rest of the year the guys is still a peace of shit demarcat

[@houstonbrown8738]

The problem is that he’s been dishonest so you can’t really blame people for not believing any of his reasons or his story that he only just started taking them. I tend to agree with those that think it’s kind of shitty to sell products based on your physique when they aren’t what you used to get it. If he didn’t look the way he did I don’t think people would have bought into it. He knew what he was doing…smart business man.

[@chickytendy5513]

he was never selling physique, only health products, people seem to be forgetting that.

[@jonathanbaumler]

..the LK was never selling his physique.. only pushing hard work, and healthy eating and living. He even continually said to eat REAL meat over any of his supps, but his supps were great for travel when you can’t get real meat…

[@katefoster9743]

@@jonathanbaumler you don’t know what he does behind closed doors, only what he tells you on social media, which we now know is a charade. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@brentcecchini5843]

Maybe I'm at a different point in life, but LK's physique never factored into my choice to watch him. It was obvious he was juicing, but I liked his messaging, motivation and work ethic. Use his same cycles on most people, they won't look like him.

[@chickytendy5513]

@@katefoster9743 wait social media isn’t real life? I am devastated.

[@StrengthOfSamson45]

You’re missing the point. Liver king sold something based on lies. That’s worst than a “bully”

[@Dom-ky2go]

Wait liver king is the victim? Haha. I’m not here for that. This channel is supposed to be about honesty and integrity. There’s no excuse to sell a lie to people and make millions off of it. I am fan of the character he plays but not the lies. Should have just been honest from the get go. That apology video was not it. Bad apology.

[@besteverskin]

This is a sold lie we know about. We buy and listen to liars making millions all the time, we are just unaware.

[@hillerfit]

Sorry that is what you thought. What would you have done if you were him in that position? Just let it go? Oh wait, you , me, and everyone else has never EVER been caught in a lie.... right?

[@Dom-ky2go]

@@hillerfit I would have not made excuses and talked about how rich I am for one. We all lie and are human. I forgive for that and still think his message has a lot of value for peoples lives. I personally like the character he is. That apology was bad taste imo. Should have just owed it and said I used steroids to grow my business and build my body to fit my character. I lied because it was conflicting with my message. I’m sry. Not I did it for the kids and all that bullshit. We all know that was bullshit. That’s all I’m saying.

[@ericabenson6965]

Hold up a second, didn’t you just post a video about how Brooke Wells was lying because she was sponsored by one mattress company and then did an advert for another mattress company and how it would be more respectful if athletes were more transparent 😂😂😂 and now you are making an argument for the Liver King who wasn’t transparent, he lied(blatantly), and the only reason why he’s “emotional” is because he got caught. He wasn’t transparent. All the things you literally just went after Brooke Wells for. What is difference? Why all the sudden do you applaud this and condemn the other. Talk about contradictions.

[@katefoster9743]

💯 this 👏🏻

[@FastNFree13]

@@katefoster9743 I generally think that Hiller forgives men for things that he puts women on blast for doing, and this kind of supports that opinion.

[@ericabenson6965]

Agreed.

[@jhorgos12]

He’s just saying whatever will get people to watch and talk about his KZbin video

[@ericabenson6965]

That’s all well and good but he called out Joe Rogan for not using his platform to educate people and then does nothing to add value to his own channel. That’s just silly.

[@dc100dc100]

Dude was bullied? Boohoo. Of course he’s going to talk about it if it gets him airtime and sympathy. Heck, everyone could dig up stories about bullying. He’s a snake oil salesman. He may as well as being dancing around on in a loincloth on the back of a wagon. If you want to compare him to the Joker, you need to pick Heaths joker. If it was just about the message, he’d burn/refund the money the gullible spent on his supplements. He’s keeping all that, isn’t he?

[@coloradobarbellclub6865]

Simping for this guy is weird. People didn’t call him out because he used PED’s, they called him out because he was obviously lying to promote his products. LK could have said in the beginning that he was on TRT and this would have never been an issue. Now he’s using depressed kids to cover for the fact that he lied repeatedly to grow his business. And such a blatant lie, no one’s who’s been to the gym thought he was natty.

[@hillerfit]

He has always been using depressed kids. It is almost like you didn't watch the video...

[@Jason-ne4lt]

Did you even watch the whole video? Did you watch him on Sevan? Have you looked into him in the past at all? He’s always maintained the reasons they ate the way they ate. Hiller doesn’t simp anyone dude, he literally calls out anyone. He’s called out Castro FFS.

[@MadisonperkinsUTE]

I doubt any of us really give a shit if he's on gear or not. I think the biggest problem is that he said to be a role model to young people and to others. Practice what you preach and if you do other things that help you get to where you are, be honest. I think that's the biggest problem with PEDs. So many today say you can be like "this", just do this and buy from me, but are actually doing stuff behind the scenes that they aren't telling people. He's preaching sooooooooo many great things. He's telling us so many great ways to make our lives better, but he's not being completely honest. He may not have came straight out and said, "do this and you'll be exactly like me," but it's a way of life he lives and preaches that others are trying to follow and when they try and fail, it can be depressing.

[@dhall75608]

Take the PED stuff out of the picture and I still think he is practicing what he’s preaching and it has made a positive impact on his family’s health and others and I still think he believes in his message. The PED use is specific to him and him only. It’s not just him that follows these tenants, his whole family does, but his whole family isn’t doing PEDs.

[@katefoster9743]

@@dhall75608 take the whole murder thing out of the picture and serial killers are just nice people!

[@dhall75608]

@@katefoster9743 completely different. You’re trying to compare him to murderers. Like people who have actually killed people and taken them from this earth and this man’s message does the opposite. You have never lied in your life? And please tell me no, so I know that you’re a liar. His message is the same with or with the use of PEDs.

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

He was lying for the greater good because he didn't want to encourage kids to do steroids and he didn't want have to answer a bunch of never ending steroid questions because he isn't a steroid expert which the emails proved ! You didn't need to buy anything from him , you could buy your own liver and bone marrow from your local markets !

[@blueprinthealthandfitness]

@@dhall75608 lol the PED stuff is the WHOLE picture 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️

[@nemanjaivanovic5973]

I am not sure why there is so much focus on this guy. While I don't know all that much about the guy, it seems fairly obvious that he is a guy that sold a nonsense story so he can sell supplements in an unregulated market. Anyone who honestly believed that he doesn't use PED's seems wilfully ignorant. The focus on how he helped his kids with this "ancestral living" is also rather strange. He does not seem to mention any peer-reviewed studies that confirm or at least correlate this lifestyle with the improvements his children have experienced. Finally, even if we give him the benefit of doubt that this is what helped his children, it is disingenuous to suggest that an elimination diet that includes questionable supplements is right for everyone just because it helped someone that clearly had some kind of disorder. Overall, I would say that there is no reason to get bent out of shape over this guy, just as there is no reason to put much faith in any part of his message. But the one thing on which I agree with you 100% is that the PED use should probably not be relevant in any way to anyone trying to form an opinion about this guy or his message.

[@carlosromero2542]

Nice one….you are really getting better….bullseye 🎯

[@HoustonHamer]

Man oh man this was great. Thanks for the great vid andrew.

[@Gymequipmentreviews]

Regardless if he did this save people, save his kid, how the hell can you believe it. His integrity and word is lost after denying PED use. The liver king doesn’t even want to share his blood test results to show that his diet and lifestyle is working. How irresponsible can you be? The man goes by how he feels. Another irresponsible assessment. Drugs and other bad things feel good too, doesn’t mean it’s good for you. There should be no sympathy for any backlash this has cause. At the end of the day, this was more for money than doing good.

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

If he got people to start training then he did do a good thing ! Arnold lied and he isn't a good person bet he inspired multiple generations to start training and he built the fitness industry !

[@andyteri777]

I drink coffee so i must forgive Liver King, Barry Bonds, Ben Johnson, and Lance Armstrong because honesty and integrity shouldn't matter in todays world.

[@Patsfan2938]

Ya know bro, I didn’t see the Sevan podcast that you refer to. But since this thing exploded I’ve thought people have been way out of line about it. Everyone has their own thing going on and we never take the time to understand that before we just break people down. This might be your best video yet man kudos.

[@hillerfit]

Thanks, dude! I had so much more to put into it too. I just didn’t wanna make it an hour long lol I’m glad it was good as it is.

[@Patsfan2938]

@@hillerfit Absolutely brother. I’m glad you have been able to keep up the great content even outside CrossFit . Viewer for life man.

[@derekbarka4975]

Might be the best video so far. Really well put together and great content.👌🏻👌🏻

[@spildety]

Sevan gave you a new camera with a shorter depth of field? Looks nice

[@Corinna-Mom]

I use to be a Le Leche League Leader for Orange County CA. My purpose was, as a volunteer, to help mothers learn how to, or deal with the challenges of breast feeding. I taught about the importance and health of breastfeeding for both mothers and their babies. Can you imagine if this is what I did 24 hours a day and then went home and gave my babies formula for no other reason other than, well, the message is greater than me. No, the message starts with me. I do what I say and I say what I believe.

[@jsizzle911]

I think the analogy is a little off. He does follow his advice with everything, but also adds the testosterone. So it’s not as though he’s not breastfeeding (referencing your analogy) by replacing with formula. More of he believe he as to supplement it.

[@Corinna-Mom]

@@jsizzle911 so you’re defending his actions? Also, when someone lies about something that big that he continued to deny and lie over and over, then how do you know he was actually following his own tenants. His trainer said his health was horrible and he told him to go to a doctor to get further blood work done. He also said he never left his ranch, brushed his teeth, had WiFi or TVs. But he traveled all over, stayed in hotel rooms with WiFi and TVs. 🤨 but it’s ok, because as he says “he’s still rich” basically mocking everyone and gaffing off his actions. ZERO INTEGRITY

[@jsizzle911]

@@Corinna-Mom 100% not defending him. He lied and has completely undermined the msg he sought to spread.

[@mattpeters6224]

Life is better when you earn it. Wisdom TLK

[@hillerfit]

Woah TLK is somethign I haven't seen

[@bloodstoneDX]

Great job, totally changed how I think about this whole situation

[@jhorgos12]

You really think liver king concocted the whole liver king persona to help people? While telling people his physique was from the way he ate? People who lie like that have no intentions on helping anyone. If anything, he created many more insecure young men who followed him and thought something was wrong because they couldn’t gain muscle like a 40+ year old man.

[@gregrcurry]

When did he tell people his physique was from eating the way he eats? He never referrers to his own physique, look or gym numbers. People making assumptions is their own issue.

[@BarryMcCockinerEsq]

He’s deceitful in his message and claimed his way of living can get you to look like him. It baffles me people are defending him. He’s dishonest and just a character at this point.

[@katefoster9743]

This 👏🏻🤦🏼‍♀️

[@hillerfit]

Look deeper. Or bye bye

[@BarryMcCockinerEsq]

@@hillerfit so it is Derek and Rogan's fault they set him up? Sounds like you are playing the victim mindset now like Hipp. No one is arguing about him helping his kids. Open your eyes.

[@ClipsCrazy__]

@@hillerfit you could look deeper at any conman and find a “reason” they did it.

[@xpocketxjerkyx2454]

@@hillerfitlol over your head

[@eric78660]

He’s a con-man(salesman). Plain and simple. If he hadn’t been on all the gear it’s likely his physique would still be phenomenal, especially compared to 99.9% of the population. Yet he wanted to be over the top in order to increase traffic/views/SALES. He could’ve easily followed his own “tenets” 100% natural and still looked/performed incredibly.

[@Max.RobynYT]

The best video you’ve done to date 🙌

[@hillerfit]

Thanks! It was in the top ten in time to produce!

[@mattyosborne1453]

Liver king can say what ever he wants. He probably lies just like he lied about the roids

[@andrewpritchett4058]

great video

[@ButtersIsMyHero]

By far the best video you have done. Keep it up!

[@SkizzyMarsss]

You gained a subscriber Andrew

[@jzdavis9799]

video is most accurate depiction of events on youtube and I have watched a lot of them

[@0009bambam]

Going back to watch that Sevan Liver King podcast now. Really enjoying how your weaving a story through your videos. I’m usually not sure where you’re going till the end.

[@tristakerr314]

Being self-righteous is a waste of time. People are gonna do what they want to do.

[@hillerfit]

I don't disagree with that

[@Legendaryrichelieu]

Audio cut out at 6:20? Never mind, wearing right headphone only haha

[@the_bruce_wayne]

As much as I love listening to JRE. We all know he always contradicts himself.

[@hillerfit]

He even says within that podcast he doesn’t self check himself

[@anand0212]

Great video. Think you're spot on about this.

[@jonathanpaulgillette8177]

AMEN. Thank You Andrew.

[@tonymarshall3556]

Imagine gaslighting this hard for LK smh pathetic

[@jamesdimarzio3181]

Great work Andrew!!!!

[@kennethdelapp]

Hiller is a solid dude. Instead of being like the 90% and just being upset and dismissive because Joe Rogan is upset and dismissive, he went out and took the time to try and understand the reasoning. He tried to look at it from multiple sides. We need more people/ "KZbinrs" like Hiller.

[@katie7674]

This is a really solid video! *LK's first podcast was on Dr. Paul Saladino's. Joe Rogan missed an opportunity to help break a 'story' and get to the meat of LK's message.

[@Brock923]

Well done!

[@zeron176]

Best video on the subject bar none

[@jethrocardona9063]

This would have been a great episode to have C4 start your sponsorship!!!

[@hillerfit]

Hahaha You are not wrong!

[@Gg_strong81]

PANDAS is no joke. I saw the documentary on it. Those kids suffer so much. If his diet can help kids like that, promote it any way you want. I’m sure he didn’t give his kid steroids. People do way worse shit to promote way worse products.

[@hillerfit]

D never heard of it, so thank you for sharing. You are spot on. Many people do much worse for less.

[@billedens4749]

I would like to know if there is any evidence supporting his claim. Way too often people who are desperate will grab on to anything, even if it won't actually help. Ivermectin for COVID is the perfect example. It doesn't help with COVID at all. Taking it doesn't necessarily hurt you, but if you forego other treatments because you are taking it then Ivermectin can do real harm. In the same way if the Liver King's regiment doesn't really help and people forego clinically proven treatments then it is harmful.

[@zacklynch584]

I don't see the commentary between Joe and Derek as just tearing down the Liver King. That spent a very small portion of the conversation laughing at how preposterous it was for him to lie about being Natty and then discussed other influencers, PED's, and their negative effects for the remainder of that first hour. It is very fair to hold up a person who has lied and went out of his way to lie, and call them out publicly (especially when that person was making tons of money off of their false advertising). At the end of the day, he could be civilly sued for fraud for selling supplements and lying about their results.

[@gregrcurry]

He never claimed that taking his supps would make you look like him. Never once so there’s no basis for him to get sued. People are un rationally upset about this whole situation. Just the newest example of recreational outrage when people don’t actually care at all. All these KZbinrs are just using LK’s fame to temporarily get viral views on their videos cause it’s the new big topic on the internet. No one actually cares.

[@zacklynch584]

@@gregrcurry Maybe the case for some. I have bought his supplements for years and have followed social media. His lying matters.

[@gregrcurry]

@@zacklynch584 what’re you sad about? It’s not like he came up with the blends for his pills, makes the supplements, bottles them, or ever says take these supps and you’ll look like me….. If you’ve been taking them for years then they obviously work so what’s there to be sad about? 🤷‍♂️

[@zacklynch584]

@@gregrcurry Well, if you can so quickly move on from someone blatantly lying in the public eye in order to make money, I'm sure you'll be able to get past people talking about it. Best wishes to you

[@gregrcurry]

@@zacklynch584 😂 you didn’t answer the question…. The supplements obviously work great and you’re happy with them so why are you mad about the steroid use? 🤷‍♂️

[@pisceanpaul]

I thought LK's apology was a complete joke. If he was sincere, Brian Johnson would have apologized, not LK. If he was genuine, he would have shared his full apology on Instagram, his largest social media platform. Instead, he drove viewership to KZbin to watch his apology. How much money do you think that KZbin apology generated from ad revenue?

[@BuiltonGODSrock]

Killer Video King!!!

[@PokePitcra]

They all just want content, brilliant video, I was thinking the same, all bullies!!

[@TrainRecoverRepeat]

Joe Rogan - hrt user, owns onnit, peddles supplements, throws stone at other hrt user selling supplements, calls him a phoney.....hmmm

[@jepg485]

Think the point is JR admits he uses HRT. LK point blank denied denied denied until he was busted

[@pharm30]

So I guess lying and deceiving people is ok as long as you have a reason behind it ? Not sure I’m understanding the point. I never followed him, don’t care what he’s on. But I don’t get now how he mentioned one story about his kids in 1 podcast he’s been on out of the 100 and it’s all cool since it’s so altruistic? I’m confused.

[@jacoblogsdon2850]

Any good you might be trying to achieve is 100 percent undermined if you are disingenuous, misleading or dishonest. Always be real. Stick to honesty and integrity.

[@katefoster9743]

This! 👏🏻

[@jrgills]

Hiller I know it doesn’t matter what I think (The Rock Voice) but don’t rule out having kids just yet. You would be a great dad and you would love it so much more than you think.

[@ralphalvarez5465]

I agree.. I believe that you could and would teach your child to follow their own path and stop going with the crowd on everything. Form your own opinions and stay in your lane which is the advice that I wish my dad would have given me. Another words like the great Arnold Palmer said, "Swing your swing, perfect in its imperfection."

[@hillerfit]

@@ralphalvarez5465 thanks guys! Of course, you never know, but even at this moment with what’s going on both in the world and in my life(and Alexis’) there are often multiple times a day where I even feel bad for my dogs for not being with them enough. I guess what I’m saying is.… so you’re saying there’s a chance lol

[@amorfati4927]

It’s cliche sounding but there is truly nothing like having children. It’s truly impossible to describe.

[@dylantodd169]

This might be the dumbest take on the whole situation lol and ofc you bring up The Joker

[@macenziholmes-morton5291]

This is a weird take, I feel as if this was a different athlete or personality you’d be calling the guy out. Has nothing to do with his steroid use. What kind of message is he putting out there to his kids and other kids watching to lie and be extremely fraudulent no matter the goal. Is it okay to scam people out of money then donate the money to charity ? Of course not. What he did is wrong and fraudulent and shouldn’t be promoted in anyway. It’s a disgrace that he sat and bold faced lied over and over. How do we know what he’s telling the truth about ? Your choosing to believe a guy who is a proven liar.

[@nicholasalderman773]

Andrew, Well done, I really liked the effort you put in and I think you are spot on and you laid it out very well. I actually think Liver King is a genuine person as odd as that is to say given the situation that he lied lol, I still believe he is authentic....invite liver king on your show, I think it would be good for both of you.

[@hillerfit]

I think that more people need to know people who are actually pieces of shit to see a guy like this, and know that he isn’t one of them

[@dhall75608]

The thing I think when I see all of these people giving him so much shit is how nice it must be to be so perfect in life, never make a mistake that hasn’t affected others, Or done wrong in some way EVER in life….

[@bryanhousley7014]

Joe rogan did the right thing not giving this con artist the platform to defend himself so he can continue selling supplements.

[@323johnnybravo]

The man was a millionaire Who wanted to create a social media empire and make over 100 mil. How many people have been poisoned by eating raw Bull testis? Dudes a menace.

[@peterodonnell3399]

Well done Andrew 👏

[@gerhardstols396]

Love this!

[@Lou-vt5gl]

Noticing that you always back up Sevans opinions with a video. And this video is all over the place - confusing.

[@hillerfit]

He was avidly against by tia video, and I’m sure many others. But I’m sure you haven’t figured that there is a reason we get along…

[@AbsoluteRichard]

Good video

[@xpocketxjerkyx2454]

The reason for people’s outrage went right over your head, didn’t it?

[@bradleyjackson8696]

Great video Hiller. Big Joe Rogan fan until recently. His take on the Liver King was a huge miss

[@coreypulido4471]

I thought you were going to plug paper st at the very end of the video…. Maybe next time

[@angelacole4411]

Liver king is a projection of everything that he is not and I wish he’d wear a shirt more often

[@hillerfit]

Everything? walk around the mall, airport, or the zoo and you might change your mind

[@christianketler3667]

How people are reacting to this is everything that is wrong in society.

[@spildety]

The more I think about the picture of Tia, the more I realize she's probably not natty.

[@dhall75608]

People are forgetting that food is the best medicine and there is merit to using food to improve health. I truly feel there is truth to what he is saying, but most are just focused on the PED crap.

[@hillerfit]

It is the easiest and most misunderstoof. Joe Rogan had a chance to help in there..

[@dhall75608]

@@hillerfit he really did. A lot on the fitness industry could. While I couldn’t care less if he uses steroids, I can understand why people would be upset. But, for me personally, it doesn’t take away from his overall message and goal. He can still do good things with the info he has put out. He just has a battle of gaining trust and using it. But, Joe and More Plates More Dates could have added that he is correct in using food as medicine and go that route.

[@jilllarson6416]

You’re a good dude Hiller!

[@hillerfit]

🤙

[@RogueCylon]

The Liver King is like Lance. It wasn’t the drug use, it was the depth of deception, and selling a fantasy. In Lance’s situation it was also his bullying and destroying opposition. In the case of the Liver King it’s the impact on those like Saladino that he deceived, who supported him.

[@khubble8265]

Fine. You convinced me

[@edshellard]

I'm still 100% behind LK. He's a good man. Still a big big fan

[@seamus6236]

Nah dude. That “saved his kids” only goes so far. He’s been doing this for the money for years.

[@RighteousApache]

People still love Arnold, who was on steroids and openly admitted he lied to friends to get the advantage over them. Liver King’s cause was noble at least, and I feel by him creating a character he exposed more young men to his message than he ever could’ve without the persona and hypercharged physical structure. The ends justify the means in this case. I found Paul Saladino before Liver King and reversed my health issues by prioritizing ethically raised and sourced meats and organs. I had low energy, no drive, terrible skin, no muscle mass, but now it’s the exact opposite, I don’t have the muscle mass or physique of LK but I understand why he created the character to spread the message.

[@coryleist7194]

Great point of view! I totally understand it’s not okay to lie and he deserves some pushback of course. But at the same time the people hating the most are people that have not truly listened to anything liver king has said. He makes it very clear that he is selling the lifestyle NOT his body. He preaches to be healthy and live better, he doesn’t preach to buy his products and look like him. The hate is unjustified, liver king has worked hard for what he has, he has body dysmorphia and insecurities so he takes steroids but he doesn’t want people to think they need to take steroids to live a good life. He knows steroids are wrong and that’s why he doesn’t want young kids looking up to him thinking they need steroids too.

[@ClipsCrazy__]

You really think because he helped his kids he’s not a conman? He’s STILL a conman. Hope the liverking bump helps your channel lol.

[@alexn5120]

I do not agree. Besides what happened in his life, the liverking found a way to build an entire business based on bullshit and people are so dumb they felt for it. Stop trying to find excuses to people who are llying and cheating

[@darrenhilton9402]

This is an excellent take. Basically, LK is promoting "whole prey nutrition," but for human beings. The basics. And that science has been historically proven to be highly effective, for all living things. (Source: every species that's survived up and until this day.) "From the rooter to the tooter," was the way of old. And yes, from whole food nutrition, you'd benefit in MANY more ways than just being 'jacked.' Especially mentally. The question is: what if he fully followed his ancestral tenets and diet, and didn't use PEDs at all? The natural source of things, should produce 'the most dominant form of oneself,' over synthetics. So technically, what he's accomplished is genetically possible for him, with the proper diet and training. Technically. Maybe he'll train 100% natty from here on out, and surprise himself. And everyone else.

[@josephphillips3985]

I tried to make this point to someone about the Rock. They tried to say, “but he’s not selling a product” but my response was yes he is! What do you think the movies are? Black Adam is a product, and he’s using his physique to help sell the product. It’s little different, but at it’s core, it’s so similar.

[@yannickverstraete8784]

his under armour clothing line, his alchohol, energy drink zoa, ...

[@josephphillips3985]

@@yannickverstraete8784 fair enough, those are products he’s selling yes. But even in the sense of just his movies alone, the are still a product.

[@hillerfit]

The Rock not only sells his movies, but he does have the entire line of clothing they sell it at Dick’s Sporting Goods

[@josephphillips3985]

@@hillerfit very true. I didn’t even take into consideration all his entrepreneurial things in recent years. Energy drinks and all the other stuff. People are making me feel like I’m supposed to be an idiot for saying accepting Liver King’s apology, even though I still don’t and never have followed his content. But I feel like people these days have just made up their kind that they want to be mad about it regardless how he goes about it. His core message overall has mostly been a good one.

[@alxfbn]

The rock doesn’t sell you BS supplements. Watching a movie with the rock is no different than watching Crossfit competitions, their ( aka: Crossfit “athletes” and the rock) mega doses of horse steroids that they use doesn’t affect your body because you are not consuming anything other than entertainment.

[@MB-um8bl]

This guy is just using a Liver King video to put all this together... Liver King has screwed up on several occasions, and on others not so much. I personally think this internet personality got off on the wrong foot and the apology video could have been so much better.

[@maureen1219]

Sorry about my run on sentence. I still think lying is the wrong way to get his message across. Living by the 9 ancestral tenents is clearly not enough 100% of the time. I respect the fact that most of the tenents are free. I can maybe even agree that, at the end of the day, all he wants are healthy people living an ancestral lifestyle, but I still think money is the reason he created this "character" and lied. I think he knows a majority of people would rather get the benefits of organ meats without putting in the work to figure out how to source it and stomach it.

[@dylanreithel6212]

There should be 10 Ancestral Tenants: Sleep, Eat, Move, Shield, Connect, Cold, Sun, Fight, Bond, and LEARN. The fact people thought that eating bone marrow and bull balls and touching their feet to the grass to adjust their magnetic fields would actually achieve his build is astounding to me. If you fell for his marketing then you have nobody to blame but yourself for not learning more about the actual tenants and their results. You took some dudes word for it on the internet. It's called marketing and he's pretty damn good at it apparently lol. Personally I think people are way too emotionally tied to this subject to begin with. None of us know him personally, we see him online, of course a lot of it is a façade. Just like those tiktok influencers and the lives they show you online is a façade.

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

I hope Liver King is still around in a few years. The entertainment value he provides is worth it alone. People just need to not be salty if they got tricked by his bonus ancestral supplements.

[@hillerfit]

People need to be educated enough to make their own decisions about something without seeing something like steroids, and immediately getting angry. Imagine if they all knew about the rock lol.

[@DT-qv7yi]

Correct. Its all for entertainment purposes only. A seller wants to put out the best/most entertaining product possible. Sports, Wrestling, Movies all use this tactic. I don't remember Liver King ever selling the message that his ancestral Supplements were gonna get you Jacked and Tan. Nobody wants to buy supplements or watch a Super Hero movie from the ShamWow guy.

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@@hillerfit the rock is next lol

[@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017]

@@-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-... Even if the same thing happens to the rock it won't make a difference because there is a major disconnect between fitness KZbin and the rest of the world because people are still buying and giving liver King's supplements good reviews on Amazon ! Even when the public does find out about a celebrity on steroids they don't care ! It didn't affect Hulk Hogan , stalone and Arnold Schwarzenegger ! Arnold was elected governor right after his steroid use went public !

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@@namelessfacelessyoutuber6017 my god.....💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@MotherPugger1]

I took his products while pregnant as my prenatals and had a healthy 9 pound baby at home. Compared to the other brands of desiccated organs I was taking his felt to be of the highest quality and came in a gelatin capsule vs methylcellulose. Obviously the quality is just my opinion but it really did seem to be of a higher quality. Also, not trying to excuse his lying but if anyone believed he was natural they allowed themselves to be lied to imo. If it doesnt look natural - it isnt. Pretty simple. (carnivore md clearly juices to me too but what do I know)

[@SparkNitro]

Baby on roids probably

[@rickmcguffey9881]

You've missed it this time, man. I listened to the entire JR program. The heart of the issue is the lying and misrepresentation. I am frankly surprised you're defending the Liver King this much. The dude lied and he lied to people who are looking to him for help. There is a stark contrast between actors doing stuff to get a role in a movie and someone who puts out "educational videos" on a certain way of eating and working that will get you to a certain place while the entire time you are juicing up. How you don't see that is a mystery to me.

[@passleycraig]

It will be interesting to see if someone files a lawsuit or a group files a class action suit against him for fraud.

[@MultiColin1986]

Interesting perspective, Yes, I'll agree that that Initial podcast and reason has been apparently suppressed to suit that narrative of his lying. But the problem is. He did lie. Like directly lied the whole way through..... and we all knew! He could have promoted that lifestyle and used examples of real life natty clients showing results and added He uses himself. What I didn't like about liver King is his 'apology' where he basically didn't apologise. He tried to tackle it from a mental health perspective and that didn't make sense. You don't set an unachievable goal for someone with depression or mental health issues. That makes them feel worthless..... Liver King is wrong for what he did. He was already pretty successful in his life prior. This was a money grab. He saw an opportunity and took it

[@thatguyforsure7819]

❤ charlatans. Lol. You should do a comparison of LK and Lance Armstrong. Lance spread a lot more goodwill with no direct personal gain but he still hasn't gotten his shine back.

[@mattsprinkler794]

I like the perspective. I’ve watched a dozen takes on the situation and from what I’ve gathered from almost every conversation about this is that a large portion of our community is lacking empathy. Tearing someone down that has admittedly messed up is a coward move IMO.

[@dhall75608]

Agreed! He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. He’s apologized and owned it but to others he is only doing it because he got caught. He didn’t have to apologize even though he got caught. Others are saying his apology isn’t a real apology. It’s like what more do you want?

[@tjmarlettw1497]

I don’t think the fact that he is on steroids is why he is being condemned. He used his physique and preach him being natural to sell hundreds of MILLIONS of supplements. I think Brian is going to be in big trouble with the Feds and shouldn’t worry about what Rogan thinks.

[@dhall75608]

@@tjmarlettw1497 I think people will still buy his supplements regardless. Supplements have their place but some are bs no matter who’s name is on them. I’m sure there are still benefits out there with what his message has been. It will be interesting to see how he proceeds with his message now that this is out and he has apologized. Time for him and everyone else to move on from it.

[@katefoster9743]

Where was Hiller’s empathy for Hippensteel? How does this compare?

[@dhall75608]

@@katefoster9743 because Hippensteel hasn’t owned up to anything from what I’ve seen. If you watched Hiller’s video on Gregg Glassman and Liver King, he states his explanation for your question at the end.

[@roccocastiglione919]

Why didn’t he just mention his kids in all of the other interviews and podcasts? He didn’t need to make them the shield but explain that it was driver into the message he was preaching about the ancestral lifestyle. I appreciate you showing both sides of the coin on LK. Keep up the content!

[@joshhutchison7778]

This is a great take on the Liver King Drama and how I felt from the beginning. Ive honestly felt he sincerely believes this message because it saved his kids life. I think it’s a bigger negative on the fitness community than him. I think he felt like he had to get jacked for anyone to listen to him. Would anyone have had him on if he was a 5’7 natural with minimal muscle mass? I don’t think so. Everyone would’ve laughed and said why should I listen to you dude? Do you even lift? Great video

[@Elbasilius]

How naive. He obviously developed the physique to build a brand sell his products and cash out. Maybe on his way he mozivated couple of people. But its obvious his financial interest was the main reason

[@edoardolocascio60]

@@Elbasilius no its not obvious, although the financial gain might be one of the reason, he was very rich even before the whole liverking thing and what he says does work but i assume you have mever tried

[@Elbasilius]

@@edoardolocascio60 just stop 😂 hes saying some very obvious facts. What? Youve never been in the sun before or worked out? This guy is biggest snske oil seller ive seen. You think he spwnds 15k a month on steroids and HGH to "motivate" people 😂

[@edoardolocascio60]

@@Elbasilius this comment alone shows me that you have not watched more than 20mins worth of his content and have no idea what his message actually is, "being in the sun and working out" is probably like 5% of his whole message, so come back when you have watched at least 5 hours more of his content and then you can start making assumptions about him based on your own opinion, not everybody else's opinion like some sheep that you are

[@edoardolocascio60]

@@Elbasilius also the fact that he took 15k worth of steroids before he even became the liverking proves my point that he was very rich before the whole liverking thing, thank you for proving my point

[@mikeb8924]

You have got to be kidding me. Seriously though, your stuff is hilarious. Your use of irony is seamless. . . uhhh. . . you are being ironic, aren't you???

[@lifeaccelerator]

Great video Hiller and I agree 100% with your perspective. I respect liver king and his message and anyone connected to fitness in any way knew he was juicing. Nobody has anything to gain by admitting to using PEDs and he was not using it to hard sell his products or to compete. What makes us think it is our right to ask? I was happy to find out he was really living what he preached before becoming liver king. That is better than the other 99% of people selling online!

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You do realize liver king has admitted on film to never have done steroids right? Regardless of his message and whatnot, he has lied to those who believed he wasn’t on steroids

[@lifeaccelerator]

@@-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-... Of course I realize that. My point is why do we think we should have the right to put him in the position to out himself or to lie? What business is it of ours to make him confess to something that is obvious? He is one of the few people who are actually living the lifestyle they are selling even though he is obviously and admittedly chemically enhanced. Let the first person who has never lied to cover their ass throw the first damn stone.

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@@lifeaccelerator he should be turned into an example of what happens to social media liars. I feel it’s a good first step. If the population doesn’t hold these liars accountable for their lies, the liars will keep on lying thinking there are no repercussions

[@hillerfit]

Liver king did this because ancestral living is what saved his family. But you’ll likely still come here with the fun labels of the week saying… “He’s a liar and steroids are bad” Just remember, most of you believed in Santa too. Maybe deep down you’re still upset about that and taking out on Mr King.

[@hillerfit]

Oh, and Tia is at 30:00

[@codierussell6587]

I don't see why people are so mad. So what he was taking a ton of shit. It still seems like he lives the life he preached just a little extra added in. I have more problems with people who claim natural that sell workout programs saying "do my program and look like me". I see that as more dishonest sales than what the liver king did.

[@mccask]

@@codierussell6587 "A little extra", lol.

[@dsandy4687]

Wait Santa's not real??

[@codierussell6587]

@@mccask the fact that he was taking all these anabolics don't change how he had every other part of his life dialed in. If you don't have your diet, sleep, fitness in check and you go on anabolics you can put on tons of fat. If you listen to others that Hiller has mentioned like Greg Doucette, he often talks about reaching your genetic natural potential before using PEDs because the PEDs are not a shortcut. If done wrong there are serious consequences. I 100% believe that liver king would still be a massive human without everything he was taking, just not the outrageous amount of tissue. People are quick to downplay hard work when someone is using PEDs which is why so many bodybuilders don't like the question, exactly how Rogan was saying people don't understand.

[@michaelptm2269]

Jajjajaja such funny editing 😂

[@coryleist7194]

Wow how hypocritical is joe Rogan. Defending the sports players and super hero actors, but he’s coming down hard on liver king as if he’s the biggest idiot ever for taking steroids. What a joke. Love to see you on joes podcast

[@christianhenderson9990]

Wait so your saying he did this for his kids but only brought it up one time The problem is is if this is the really the reason why he was pushing his lifestyle he would’ve pulled that story on every podcast and he only told it on one. The only place I heard this story was that podcast he never brings it up on any of his social medias, which would leave most people to believe that that is not why he did it

[@Snickers145]

Like the video! In the end of everything this guy is saving lives! His intentions are to help people and he’s doing so! Honestly I hope he continues!

[@ramonbriones4487]

🤣😂

[@alxfbn]

And save a child too 😂😂