Tia Toomey || Natty or Not

[@hillerfit]

Again, should I make more of these?

[@dorakrznaric2458]

Yes!!!

[@gainsbydoc315]

Yes absolutely man

[@byronposselt8961]

Absolutely!!

[@conserve_climber]

Absolutely dude they are cool

[@leetroche]

keep em coming braddah

[@macoyupadoodle]

Being ripped and massive at the same time while being natural while keeping world level performance is unheard of . When you get ripped you tend to lose body mass and you get weak and feel like shit , let alone perform at peak performance in a competition.

[@brianmeen2158]

That’s the key issue here for me - for women especially to not only pack on muscle while getting leaner and improving their performance on top of it?!? That is highly unlikely .

[@rivaldophillips3525]

Exactly, the funny thing is 60% or more of crossfire athletes use PED's anyone can come and say they are natural while they aren't or put out some fake test, besides the cross fit games are known to be riddled with these things I don't want to be sexist but it's very very very hard for women to have that much mass, low body fat and still perform at such an high level

[@stephenbenecke7652]

I feel bad for someone like Haley Adams, who I believe is completely natural, and seemingly struggling to meet the strength goals needed to place highly at certain games events.

[@ManicMindTrick]

Very pretty girl. Would look better without the CrossFit training though. Not seen a girl look better after CrossFit than before. It decreases your hip-to-waist ratio which is the most objectively attractive aspect in a female.

[@phil5037]

@@ManicMindTrick “Tell me you don’t workout without telling me you don’t workout” type comment

[@ManicMindTrick]

And your base that on...your psychic powers? Just because I like feminine women doesn't mean I don't work out but hey, if turtle shell guts and hard muscles are what gets you off, I don't judge. Personally, I just find it very unappealing.

[@arielwilliam]

@@ManicMindTrick everything you just said makes you an ick

[@bananaman2002]

You're a weird dude​@@ManicMindTrick

[@MC-nv4bo]

I think the real question everyone wants to know is if Sevan is natty

[@hillerfit]

California Hormones

[@iamhop]

Lol! Yeah depends on what you mean by natty

[@skyritt15]

Jeritol

[@BACK2BOOGIN]

I consider natty if you are running less than 250mg a week 👌

[@abstractgeniuscomments]

The ego is somewhat pumped, tho' 🧐

[@JasonGrubb]

My only thought is to tread lightly when accusing someone of something so egregious... I can only talk about my experience and my personal transformation over the years. Starting CrossFit at 38 - overweight and out of shape, I've had a SIGNIFICANT transformation leading to three consecutive CrossFit Games Masters Wins... And I'm constantly accused (in comment sections) of using TRT, Steroids, PEDS, Stacks, etc. And I've never touched anything whatsoever. Not during the season. Not during the off season. Nothing. But, people look at my pictures, my abs, my body shape, and rely on those markers as 'clear evidence' that I must have been using something. It's incredibly frustrating. I'm happy to talk with anyone at any time about my experience over the past 8 years.

[@nikolainavarro6558]

Huge fan Jason! Doing my best to lift as much as you one day!

[@JasonGrubb]

@@nikolainavarro6558 Ha - thanks brother.

[@evskiicf3998]

I think it’s more the idea that she went from already being on top of the CrossFit world getting 2nd place 2 years in a row and then looking significantly different the following years. Someone at that level has been training for years. It’s not the same as some fat out of shape person who has never worked out finally getting in the gym. You don’t expect a transformation of this extent out of someone who’s already a seasoned lifter. That’s why Chris Bumstead doesn’t show up looking drastically larger year after year. He’s already a very mature lifter

[@katefoster9743]

Great to get an athlete’s perspective here. So many keyboard warriors. This “opinion” based clip is based on circumstantial evidence (if you can even call it that).

[@CraftLulz]

Pls stop, no one is accusing you of steroids, you look average or on trt at best.

[@zandoflix]

I went to the Games this year. I could not believe how jacked and shredded 80% of the fans were . I think CrossFit’s PED problem is all the way down at the Affiliate level.

[@GraftonPrimaryvideo]

Lol. You really have to question at the local comp level why would you not take something if you really wanted to thrash everyone and get an edge, even for a genetically gifted athlete!! Even for ego reasons.......I would assume 50% of guys at small local comps are on at least some kind of SARMS especially GW501516 for cardio reasons

[@m.a.5028]

@@GraftonPrimaryvideo Wasn't Glassman who said "people will die for points"? They will cheat just for the chance to be on top of the leaderboard. If regular everyday people are taking maskers, using urine bladders, using drug half-times, etc. to beat drug tests at work, you just know professional athletes with thousands/millions on the line are doing it too. No brainer

[@eduardowhiteknight6110]

Haha that's actually pretty funny

[@eduardowhiteknight6110]

I agree

[@hamishwylie6686]

I love how in depth this is! I appreciate this as there is stuff all on KZbin about her being natty or not and with good backed up info as to why or not

[@rmelgar9]

For me, it is the traps that always gives both men & women away, but particularly women!

[@d1c186]

Yea they don’t grow that much naturally that fast in two years at the 2018 picture her traps are outsized

[@pbs1982]

My traps are on point. Where my 6pack at?

[@rtroth2946]

It's the face. When you see the face get wider and 'fatter' while the body is getting leaner!? Yeah. Juice.

[@elmacogbg]

Another great video. Mals jawline just entered the chat. 👀

[@hillerfit]

HA

[@macjeffer5879]

Look at Mal O’Brien from like 18 months ago, the most obvious cases you can make, 20 lbs of muscle

[@lfk53]

Thank you! The most obvious case of doping but nobody ever calls her out.

[@takforce06]

Appeared to have “bubble gut” in 2023 Rogue Invitational

[@phil5037]

The side delts and upper traps are the biggest giveaway for both males and females. You can add definition and size to those naturally, but to completely change the shape of them you need PEDs.

[@hillerfit]

Agreed

[@phil5037]

@keepgoing go Who are you talking to?

[@Mr_Bob_Loblaw]

Red skin, especially in the chest, neck, head, arms from high hemoglobin and iron content in the blood is a pretty good marker. Def happened to me when I was on TRT. But that can ebb during workouts as more blood gets dedicated to the muscles. It also goes away for a bit if you donate blood. I rolled over the Tia/PED question in my mind the whole games this year. I settled on yes, but wthout full confidence. But there were several other big names I gave a hearty “yes.” You’re a good man Hiller, and thorough.

[@hillerfit]

Sounds like Liver King. Thanks!

[@Mattheo76]

She looks better than 95 percent of natural men lifters. She is on something.

[@tomogorman3947]

I have red skin on face and neck from a problem called acne rosacia and i can assure you i absolutrly do not use steroids

[@Mattheo76]

@@tomogorman3947 that is not the case here. This is from high hemoglobin. Big veins often come from peds and a good indicator is broken skin. because natural your skin will not break in 99% and all those fake natties have broken skin at the chest and shoulders.

[@StrawHatSecurity]

@@hillerfit This aged well with the liver king coming out yesterday

[@michaelhall2024]

I think she’s very gifted genetically, but I don’t think she’s 100% drug free. Same with Fraser

[@GraftonPrimaryvideo]

And there is nothing wrong with these guys being genetically gifted but then getting that extra 5-10% with some help. People expect freak athletes to show off amazing feats at the games (kind like circus performers or monkeys) but then don't accept that sometimes extra help is needed to perform at that level. There is no two ways about it, Games level Crossfit athletes are freakishly fit with muscular development that would put many physique competitors to shame. The guys in the physique comps are on PEDs so i don't think it is possible by doing ring muscles ups and crossfit programming along with weights to achieve composition that is even more freaky than the physique guys.

[@BACK2BOOGIN]

Great breakdown and timeline references! What most ppl unfamiliar with PED’s usage don’t realise is how profound the psychological effects are in a performance enhancing way, physiological changes aside this was always a massive give away for me

[@lotz871]

Exactly! I have experienced this in the gym with close and not so close female friends during their cycles on and off. I’ve always been curious to see what it’s be like as I am already quite alpha - I am sure it would bring out a lot more of this behavior. Tia was not alpha in attitude before but she certainly is now.

[@Watchingvids01]

@@lotz871 you dont know Tia personally to make that conclusion

[@lotz871]

@@Watchingvids01 You're totally right but I would guess I do know more than you might :)

[@Watchingvids01]

@@lotz871 🥱people watch a couple youtube videos and think they know someone or what its like to be a professional athlete.

[@DrD313]

@@lotz871 Your ego says you know more. That's called insecurity.

[@keithmerkel7542]

No question she's on gear. She's the lance Armstrong of CrossFit

[@strouja]

100% agree with you. Your analysis is spot on. I would bet anyone any amount of money. She probably took EPO too.

[@seamus.dolan98]

You should make one on May Fraser if you haven’t already! And then one on Mal O’Brien since Mat is coaching her and her performance has skyrocketed in such a short time

[@J_Wolfe86]

I’d imagine it’s similar to Tia with the ABSOLUTELY BLOWING EVERYONE ELSE OUT IF THE WATER in points

[@johnauld9851]

For sure. Both juiced up to the gills, in my opinion!

[@LancerX916]

@@johnauld9851 They get tested like crazy. Mat would have been caught if he was.

[@JeepToyShowcase]

@@LancerX916 Cause Lance Armstrong was caught numerous times? He still holds the record for most drug tested athlete in the world.

[@bazwillrunforbrownies]

Mal is young she’s bound to skyrocket. Plus she’s moving so much better so that explains that 🤷‍♂️ May Fraser would be interesting tho

[@parker5225]

Tia got newbie gains after being at the top of her sport for 3 years lol. I’ve been saying this for a while. She also doesn’t answer any questions about her training differences in those years. Look at Fraser, he completely changed his diet, sleep schedule, hired a few different specialty coaches, and grew confidence but loss weight and looked leaner in 2016 compared to 2015. Tia=From continued with Shane’s training and grew confidence to add 10lbs of muscle.

[@TheBurke185]

She actually goes into depth on one of her videos about how she changed her diet and training to gain those 10lb and then also after she was done with it explained how she changed her diet and training again to lose it.

[@hillerfit]

Winning the Games to WINNING the games

[@parker5225]

@@TheBurke185 well shit lol, any chance you can drop a link in a reply? Would love to watch it.

[@parker5225]

@@hillerfit but then again, we don’t know what she has been through in her life lol.

[@TheCheerio27]

Exactly, improving her diet and training to maximize PED use. You dont just let steroids take the wheel, you double down. The natty version would make a few point dominance, not major fuckin points for year after year. “Quiet training” and major dominance with no major coach changes is an accurate sign. Look at Mal, she was coached by the GOAT and barely made the podium (but she changed coaches) How she retires will also show signs of PED use. Stay vigilant my friend

[@hache4938]

Better video than I expected, great job Hiller! It is very positive for the community having people talking about elite athletes and steroids, as well as frustrating and dissapointing for those who want to achieve this level

[@hillerfit]

Thanks!

[@shooteveryday1841]

8:31 I was an elite swimmer, got fat, did triathlon for a long time, had kids, and got fat, then started doing CrossFit almost 2 years ago. I got jacked in two years and I’m just a regular guy at a middle of the road suburban box. I don’t see me ….all of a sudden ….exploding with muscle unless I make DRASTIC changes.

[@JeepToyShowcase]

Love watching them. Greg Doucette and "More Plates More Dates" makes a ton of them. I love how everyone says that they are tested and would be caught. Exactly how many times was Lance Armstrong caught?

[@katefoster9743]

Lance Armstrong had millions of dolllars behind him supporting his lies. Sorry, but Tia and Lance are not in the same category of money earned in their careers. She doesn’t have the network he had behind him.

[@katefoster9743]

Are you seriously comparing the money behind cycling to the money in CrossFit? Lance had people with very deep pockets helping him cover up his lies. Are you saying Tia has access to the same network with the money that is in CrossFit?

[@JeepToyShowcase]

@@katefoster9743 Just clarifying that drug tests can be beat. I was not stating she used them, just stating the obvious that for as long as drugs have been used in sports, people have found ways to beat them.

[@hillerfit]

I will likely comment his name 50x before the night is done lol

[@amorfati4927]

@@katefoster9743 You don’t need a whole team behind you, especially in CrossFit to beat their testing. Just read something like T-Nation’s article “How to beat CrossFit drug testing” for an introductory level into PEDs and protocols.

[@ErikDoesStuff1711]

Saw the title, assumed click bait and wondered how you were gonna spin it around….. realisation kicked in that you did actually go there this time. Jaw dropped. Wow moment!!

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

You don’t get noob gains after multiple years at the highest level and training for the Olympics. That’s the hammer in the nail.

[@hillerfit]

Nail in the coffin?

[@chyeeeeee]

Yeah I would agree with this... She went from getting 2nd twice ....to 1 year later destroying the field .....some how went from being at the absolute top of the sport to being sooo far above it in 1 year of training....she got even better in that 1 year then she did the rest of her entire training life... Athletes at the top of any sport would kill to make a 1-3% increase in fitness and skill in 1 year.....but she goes far beyond that...must have just trained harder obviously.... Fraser did the same thing....2nd twice (absolutely exploding in that 1 event against Ben smith in 2015 or what) to absolutely destroying the field by 100s and 100s of points without even looking tired most of the time... Both of them trained as olympic lifters at the highest possible level of that sport ....and then somehow swtiched to crossfit and both can become just sooooooo much better ....never ending gains must be nice

[@vegasprogambler5336]

@@hillerfit ***said with thick Boston accent*** no, hammer in the nail. its a new event at CrossFit next year and its gonna be a disastah.

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

@keepgoing go Stop copy and pasting this utter garbage all over🤦‍♂️

[@HarrisonHrd]

Just got back from A&W and saw this, time to eat and watch

[@hillerfit]

lol Enjoy

[@sebulbathx]

Great video! And I think it's refreshing to hear from a CF person that can see the problems within. Not so stuck up and don't believe PED even exists in CF because they have "testing". Anyway traps and shoulder are a big give away in right context. For some reason they grow proportionally bigger than the rest. And there are some research backing this up too. But for top level athletes that already are near or at their natural max. Making a transformation in a year is not just good diet and harder training, impossible. When you are near your natural max you make very little progress each year no matter how hard you train. To be honest I am not so much curious IF they use but more WHAT they use. Also she might be a good responder too I mean she crushed the competition and I have a hard time believing the top 5 isn't using PED. And as for the picture in the water Winstrol make sense to use since you get stronger on that without putting on weight.

[@brianmeen2158]

Trapezoids have more androgen receptors do they grow more quickly when steroids are introduced

[@sebulbathx]

@@brianmeen2158 Ah ok that makes sense since they grow somewhat not in proportion to other muscle groups or parts.

[@dawnc5797]

After watching this year's Tour de France and the CF Games I'm no longer under the illusion that anyone at an ultra elite level is NOT doping in some way. It's kind of sad but it is what it is. That mindset is the only way I can watch these sports and not feel disappointed. I recently watched the women's clean and jerk ladder event from 2013 and I barely recognized Kara Webb (Saunders) and Sam Briggs. They looked nothing like they do now and all the women looked like athletes without looking juiced. Yes, Kara and Sam were just starting out in CF but Kara was already an athlete who had been training at a high level for years IIRC. I don't know Sam's background. Look at Annie. Barely a resemblance to her early years. Nutrition and recovery only get you so far.

[@katefoster9743]

Sam’s background was in triathlon I believe

[@dawnc5797]

@@katefoster9743 you might be right. Thanks!

[@RogueCylon]

TDF and Weightlifting are two sports that lived on PEDs literally. You could not be in the top tier without taking PEDs, and some of the winners decided to take it to a whole new level. Lance completely admits this, it was an unfair field. Tia..from a weightlifting background, saw her performance so far off in weight events in 2015. Time capped multiple times…

[@dawnc5797]

@@RogueCylon I'm pretty sure the only sport I watch where PEDS of some sort are not used is Curling. 😄

[@RogueCylon]

@@dawnc5797 have you seen the new era of curling? Lmao!

[@ptf55]

You are dead right!! And it looks even more blatant now. The aggressiveness, bordering on rage, during competition is telling.

[@ltwe7531]

I don’t believe she’s on PED’s. You’re looking at photos of a different time in the sport. 2014,15 & 16 is a very different era to now. She was young and a bit fluffier, you could say the same about Annie in the early days. Look at her 2009 photos when she was a teenager compared to now. The photos of later at Mayhem she’s just put on a bit of weight and doesn’t have the same definition. What you have to realise is she is pretty small so any weight gain is going to take any definition away quickly, in particular for girls, men tend to get away with putting on more weight but keeping more definition. She’s grown into herself more as she’s gotten older and I think you will see the same transition with Haley as she builds more strength. You can already see similar changes with Haley but all these young ones have been doing CrossFit a lot longer than Tia had been when she started in 2014 so it’s not apples to apples. Don’t forget as well Tia was heavily focused on weight lifting for the Olympics in 2016 and commonwealth games in 2018. A lot of strength training and weight cutting impacts your body composition. She won almost all the events in 2019 and 2020 because there wasn’t the depth of field to take points away from her. Again I disagree it’s due to PED’s. She is the best of all time, I hope everyone can focus on her incredible achievements and celebrate her rather than trying to tear her down. Regardless if you “like her or not” she truly is the best to ever do it and it’s unlikely we’ll ever see the same reign from anyone like this again.

[@GraftonPrimaryvideo]

It's not tearing her down. I also think she's the greatest of all time and love watching her compete. It makes no difference if she did it 100% clean or took a few peptides/SARMS along the way. They don't do the work for you.......they aren't like a magic pill that will win you the games. Of course we can't say she took anything cause she hasn't failed a Crossfit drug test. People get so emotionally invested in someone being "clean" for what? Because it means they did it all with grit and determination and protein powder? The athletes at the games are such freaks, and people expect them to be superhuman but then do it naturally. For some reason the blinders are on with Crossfit for so many cause they confuse the high level sport with the health and fitness program you do at your box and secretly think that they too could have gotten to the games when they were younger with just HWPO

[@desilorajr2713]

Passing PED test are easy . The test ratio is 4 to 1 anyone can litterlsy take TRT and pass those tests . And your right PEDs are a magic pill but when someone takes it and give your that extra 10% that the other athletes don’t get then your are getting an advantage

[@alexander___sean]

This is going to set the internet on fire 🔥

[@hillerfit]

You see right through me

[@MichaelMcCasland80]

Brave. Headline - not click bait. Did not think you’d call her out the way you did. Interesting to see if there is a response.

[@hillerfit]

Not click bait this time

[@its_hecklestv6208]

There wont be a response. Usually when people rush to make a response video its the first sign of admission to guilt. They will prob just shadow ban Hiller they everyone else does who dont agree or like his content lol

[@traveler142]

I am a Toomey Fan for sure, I watched the last event where Toomey took her time finishing the event, she was asked if she would retire... I think Tia is struggling to continue to live a lie in a way... does she continue in the sport and risk Everything that she has accomplished... I think Tia will in fact retire... No One wants to leave in the way Lance Armstrong left... If Crossfit enhances their Drug Testing, Tia is out for sure as many others... Shane knows what Tia is taking, I would straight up ask the Man that prepares Tia's diet. that would be a great Interview.

[@traveler142]

@keepgoing go being "true to yourself" is subjective... to be true to others in the meantime is nearly impossible... the only people that truly ruin their lives is the people living a Lie... If Tia stays clean she will be fine... If she continues to use... then all bets are off. they all use PED's, anyone in competition is at a disadvantage If they do not. better testing will purge the system

[@Fergushow]

When it comes to women, you have to look at their childhood development. I have one daughter that played soccer from age 4 and has legs that rival Hiller’s quads and has bigger calves. My other daughter was a gymnast since age 6 and has 8pack abs. You can make similar comparisons of girls that have a youth background in diving, dance and track. These are sports with incredibly repetitive movements that develop the muscle bellies from pre-puberty through young adulthood. So these women look like they are on gear but just have a lifetime of sport specific training. The other consideration is PCOS which is an androgenic condition that has all the good and bad effects of steroids but occurs naturally. I won’t make a guess of which female CrossFit athletes have PCOS but the square jaws, acne, hair loss and lumberjack shoulders are pretty telling .

[@Milliardo5]

As I always say, some people believe someone is natty just because that athlete or bodybuilder said so...

[@jwt-nu3ei]

I've long wondered at the role early extensive exercise plays on development, and to what degree 'genetics' reflect this period of time. When I was 16-18 I rowed at a local club following years of playing other sports. The training was very much focused on all-round athletic development - obviously rowing was a big part, but running, hill sprints, weights, callisthenics were all given a lot of focus. Following university I went back to the club for a few months to help out and do some training myself. Many of the kids who'd been going there since they were 8-10 years old had stuck it out, and were now 15+. One thing which stood out was how similarly developed they all were - broad shoulders, very lean, huge lats - despite having parents and siblings of all shapes and sizes.

[@phil245]

I have a couple of friends who both have pcos and do regular weight training, and still look very feminine, no visible side effects and no massive boost to their strength. I'm not sure that would have the same effect as actual roids

[@cgarrett1974]

Your commentary is the best. Very enjoyable.

[@paulharrison5069]

You 100% need to do more of this. People love controversy

[@hillerfit]

I'm seeing that lol

[@mik950]

Great video, and I completely agree. The change in her physique is obvious but the complete dominance over her competitors is crazy.. This is a sport where everyone expects her to win everything and no one questions it.

[@danzig798]

The face says a lot often! I witnessed Sara Sigmundsdotir‘s face change… Looked to me that she‘s beefing up and her face structure (chin /jaw) seemingly changed in compare to prior years!

[@melissaodier1953]

that's a gutsy statement Hiller....no question she is the greatest, but unfortunately I always wondered if she used, not something i do usually but such a transformation is indeed crazy no matter how talented you are to start with. what does Sevan, Taylor and JR think?

[@lotz871]

Absolutely love this content! Your analysis is awesome and spot on. I love Tia but as an experienced weightlifter who is an avid follower and amateur body builder - there is a generic potential everyone can reach and she has definitely passed hers. I think another point that you can hit on is that she is much more muscular but her body is also more lean. This is incredibly difficult to do when your natural test levels as a female are

[@dhall75608]

Interesting take. I’ve done the body building thing but I did physique. I know that between bikini and physique is muscle. The way we train is different. You don’t think female cross fitters would be bigger than bikini body builders 1: the training is different and 2: in CF heavier weight is being lifted? Just curious on your take. I’m not saying these women aren’t on anything because I’m sure some definitely are.

[@lotz871]

@@dhall75608 To your point yes absolutely - some female CrossFitters are bigger than some female bodybuilders but some are not it depends on division. Today the figure women are almost as big physique women. Not sure if you’re competing in a tested league or NPC/IFBB but in IFBB these women are legit big and some of them are much bigger than the crossfitters but after seeing some of these amazing athletes in person in Madison a few weeks back I can see that my assumptions are likely correct. Andrew actually nails many of the key points in this video. I’m very scientific and observant with how I trained and measure things. I managed to gain close to my genetic potential but no mater what I have done I can’t peak my body over 100lbs of lean mass while maintain a lower than average body fat percentage. I also don’t train like a traditional bodybuilder either - my training is more similar to CrossFit style with high intensity and compound lifting. There is just a genetic limit to what can be achieved. Now I am not saying 100% of everyone is 100% on something but when you look at aesthetics, development, mindset and leanness you can see where the performance enhancers are very prevalent. In my analysis Tia seems like she did all the hard work up front and then added things in, just as Andrew theorized. Not sure where you competed or how into the industry you have been but as someone with female friends taking PEDs and beating witness to the benefits I just see it as very obvious in CrossFit.

[@dhall75608]

@@lotz871 interesting take and thank you for that. I did IFBB physique. But it’s been about 5 years since I competed so I’m sure the way the field looks is different. But I started working out in college so I had been working out for years and started lifting heavy when I graduated college. Then I got into CF and my training for my show was fasted cardio in the morning and evenings were my CrossFit class and then to the gym to lift whatever body part I needed for the day. Heavy supersets. But, genetically, I just build muscle easily. The hard part for me is losing the body fat and it took me doing all of that to get it down.

[@dhall75608]

@@lotz871 I’ll add I do think PEDs are def being used in CF for sure. Knowing a bit about them, it wouldn’t surprise me to ever find out who, of the top athletes, are. But it also wouldn’t take any of their hard work away, in my eyes.

[@lotz871]

@@dhall75608 Ohhhh yes! You're 100% correct. Things have changed SO much especially in the Figure and Physique but also with Bikini as a trickle down effect. My posing coach is an IFBB figure pro - she looked nothing like these ladies do today. I remember in 2018 when I did the Arnold Amateur and saw the pro Figure ladies compete and I was like WHOA, these ladies are strong and huge! It was incredible. Another indicator would be Erin Stern, long time OG Figure competitor, now competing in IFBB Bikini. Look at how the whole field has shifted, it's nuts and now they have a wellness division and those girls aren't tiny either. Interesting about your training, I am sure CF helped you build even more muscle and even out your frame. I do everything measured so I heavily rely on DEXA scans for accuate information. Have you ever tried that? I will give you a much better idea of your progress - it's like x-ray vision. I manage to stay lean but it's a balancing act and head to do as a natural athlete. Another struggle natural athletes have when maintaining lean mass is the balance between upper and lower body. For instance, mountain biking and spin are great for my legs but then my upper body suffers and shrinks. If I was enhanced, i wouldn't have such a hard time finding the balance.

[@rmull7536]

Coincidence that her transformation seems to happen around when she started training with Fraser? And he was winning by insane point margins too

[@hillerfit]

Absolutely not

[@triwithlaura3138]

@@hillerfit only fair to do is Matty Natty next 😂

[@hillerfit]

@@triwithlaura3138 AGREED

[@lfk53]

Yes. Look at Mal who also trains with him. She's an advert for PED use.

[@MackDaddy701]

This will be the most polarizing video to date! This may tip the love/hate relationship ratio @hillerfit has with the CrossFit community in a particular direction ⚖🤨😲

[@hillerfit]

I have made my grave.

[@TTDD1833]

#teambatman

[@philipkingrey535]

Very thorough analysis…good job

[@outdoors2476]

I'd like to think that between the multiple CF events and 1.5 Olympics that if there was anything there, it would have been caught. Many an athlete has changed body comp from ealry 20's to late 20's/early 30's. What you mentioned about the low t dosage makes sense, but that isnt my area of expertise. Unless proven otherwise, she is clean, the queen and the goat.

[@desilorajr2713]

Anyone can pass a drug test now lol Testosterone is allowed 4 to 1 . Any athlete which I’m assuming 90% or more at the entire level wil lknownthis and area taking TRT at the very least .

[@artistXY]

The level of muscle development is the kind you see in bodybuilding. Muscle density, maturity, and strength take time under tension. Everyone wants to believe that humans are naturally capable of constantly hitting new physical heights year after year but that’s just not the case. Tia would have won maybe 2 titles off of her natural ability. Given the fact that she is dominating so many different athletes who bring such unique levels of fitness year after year just proves that she is not natural. I don’t very much care for her attitude and think she’s about as exciting as watching paint dry.

[@hillerfit]

We share opinons and backgrounds it seems

[@artistXY]

@@hillerfit Messaged you on Instagram💯

[@pulkpuller]

🙏 amen about time someone said it !

[@lotz871]

I definitely agree with your physical analysis. All very true especially the point about the muscle density. However attitude wise I think she actually has less attitude than many others and think she has a tough exterior but is an all around likable person once you get to know her. People don’t like her for being successful so she keeps things at an arms distance. I can completely relate to that need as a high performing female. It comes with the territory unfortunately 😬

[@cucknorris4721]

So does that mean Mat was also on the sauce?

[@stang93ful]

I give Hiller A LOT of credit because in a world where 99% of the people who do media in CrossFit or who cover it in general? Most of them are kissing the ass’s of all the athletes across the board so to constantly do videos that hits the other end of the spectrum by questioning and confronting everything that nobody wants to talk about deserves nothing but respect whether you agree with him or not! Oh and the other 1% is Sevan 🤣👊 Keep em coming Hiller! #NobodyLikesTheTruth

[@Philmccracken45]

The issue is, he didn’t provide any hard, objective evidence. It’s literally all speculative. Plus, his arguments regarding the point already were subject to the competitors that were or weren’t in the games.

[@TAKENMMA]

Couldn’t agree more

[@chrisvanderwielen1530]

Yes, because damaging reputations without a single shred of proof, is commendable. Were you hoping to get a date out of your internet handjob comment?

[@stang93ful]

@@chrisvanderwielen1530 He isn't damaging anyone's reputation you fkn dork. It's merely one person's opinion on something. The amount of traction and attention this would need to actually ruin her reputation is in another stratosphere. Oh and Naw your mother takes care of that already! 😉 I love her small hands!

[@chrisvanderwielen1530]

@@stang93ful Yeah, obviously with the amount of people on here saying "oh, wow, I never looked at it that way...she must be juicing". If you're going to throw around accusations, at least have evidence, and not just some flimsy opinion. There's already enough roiding accusations leveraged at Crossfit, without some wahoo coming along with this kind of nonsense. "Oh, look, there's proof, because I made up some timetable that proves it!"

[@nolansouthfield213]

Wasn't 2018-19 the years where tia started training with a certain someone who won the crossfit games 5x???? Makes you go hmm.

[@realalbertan]

April 5-9 2018 Tia won gold in weightlifting at the Commonwealth Games and would have been under WADA protocols

[@GraftonPrimaryvideo]

WADA doesn't mean they can test for everything. Especially if you have some cutting edge compounds........Do you think the Olympics is completely clean? I don't

[@m.a.5028]

The same WADA who admitted Armstrong pursued "a systematic doping program for a decade probably with the knowledge of people who were charged with detecting drug cheats"?

[@vonaya1]

Your are right. It’s just your opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. 🤷‍♀️

[@hillerfit]

Damn right!

[@nathanhanks4715]

I’ve talked to the guy at BALCO - they know how to beat the system. My point is that I view the Olympics as the dirtiest sports event ever, especially weightlifting. My guess is that she met someone and learned “something” when she went to the Olympics So I see it different from the argument that she’s clean because she went to the Olympics. Last point - crossfit wasn’t around when I was in my 20s and I was athletic and could place a pounding on my body for days and keep coming back for a long weekend (soccer tournaments). So it’s possible for the truly genetically blessed to be able to recover nightly at the crossfit Games. They have everything so perfectly dialed in. I think the real truth will come out when she tries to have a baby. I find it interesting that so many of these elite crossfit women have such hard pregnancies and births.

[@ZenWaveCinema]

Cannot wait for you and Sevan to hash this out tomorrow. He's on with Hunter talking shhhhmack about you. Thanks for sharing a well researched (in my opinion) opinion. It was informative food for thought.

[@J_Wolfe86]

Use of the word “deployed” very Derek (MPMD) 👌👌🔥🔥

[@hillerfit]

Derek is my boy

[@triwithlaura3138]

I've recently gone down the ped research rabbit hole and came to the same conclusion. I think it runs way deeper than just Tia and people need to stop being s do naive in CrossFit! So well done on the video 😊

[@hillerfit]

Welcome to the Matrix

[@GraftonPrimaryvideo]

Agreed. Its almost like people have blinders on because they want to believe that the sport of Crossfit is like the fitness regimen that you do at your local box to stay fit and healthy. Do I believe everyone is on PEDS in competitive crossfit.? No. But it would be pretty crazy if the guys at the very top (that win year after year) were able to also beat every person that was having PED help just through sheer mental determination, training harder than everyone else and an awesome protein packed diet.

[@LancerX916]

If Tia is on steroids she is hiding it very well. Not only does she get tested by Crossfit, but she was in the Olympics, and on a bobsledding team trying to get to the Winter Olympics. So to never fail a test in the last 10 years would be impressive.

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

Why? The tests are not the complicated. Take the TE ratio for instance. Or Growth Hormone. And what about Peptides that aren’t even tested for?

[@TrainRecoverRepeat]

And she ended up being pulled from the bobsled team. Hmmmm

[@tonip561]

@@TrainRecoverRepeat she wasn't pulled at all, their training team had multiple drivers. Tia got them qualified, and they went with a more experienced driver for the games. Very normal process, just like a relay swimming team. Don't say dumb shit

[@katefoster9743]

@@TrainRecoverRepeat dude - don’t comment on things you don’t know about. Only one team was selected by the Australian Winter Olympics Committee to go and she was No 4 in a field of 4 for a sport of 2 people. Do the math.

[@TrainRecoverRepeat]

First off, I'm not saying "dumb shit". She WAS pulled off the team, for whatever reason you want to believe. I'm simply stating she DID NOT get tested by the Olympics, so using the Olympics as a "she got tested at the Olympics on the bobsled team" is inaccurate.

[@WagyuMamaRanch]

Have to say, GREAT points that I have to agree with and have thought for a while. I use to be the ignorant “everyone is clean” guy. Not anymore. No way in hell EVERY year you can come in and totally conquer every other “fittest on earth” competitor by such dominance

[@justyn5279]

If Tias shoulders deflate within 6 months of retiring we know hillers probably on point

[@hillerfit]

One of the many reasons this was the time to make the video

[@amorfati4927]

Yeah if she looks like Lu Xiao Jun (if anyone has seen him recently). Literally looks like King Trident from The Little Mermaid after he gets turned into a shrimp.

[@m.a.5028]

@@amorfati4927 You made me spill my drink. So true so true 🤣

[@thinkforyourself2109]

Good point. Before and after for top-tier bodybuilders illustrates how much PEDs make a difference in size.

[@Zoet50]

Can you do a video on if David hippensteel is natty or not. Based on his past lack of adherence to rules and poor integrity I’m guessing NOT !

[@hillerfit]

I say he is natural

[@JBoudreaux0712]

@@hillerfit naturally an attacker of Batman’s gadgets at the games.

[@tonip561]

She competed in the Commonwealth Games weightlifting in April of 2018. After 2017 she also said that she needed a major overhaul of her confidence and commitment. Do you think she could have been introducing a PED while competing in Commonwealth Games while also being tested in the Crossfit off season? I honestly don't think so

[@Watchingvids01]

👏🏾

[@nathj8390]

Yes!!! The number of people competing in weightlifting when 'pissing hot' is insane.

[@ianbrewer4843]

Agree

[@stefansauder4872]

I don't know if using pictures is the best way to gauge this entire argument but then again not sure what else you do. The point margins seem to be odd for sure seeing as she barely won then just started killing opponents. Then again she is a specimen.

[@hillerfit]

I'm in argreement with all of this

[@oSirSniffleso]

Everyone is on gear. Even if it’s just ecdysterone/turkesterone, fadogia, tongkat ali type stuff, which isn’t even banned. But that’s also low level stuff anyway. More likely a TRT like you mentioned. You also left out that after her first win she started training with Fraser. Maybe she learned a few secrets from him as he was just as dominant.

[@SZ-os1hp]

More of a question, than anything else: in the comments people mention her attending the Olympics as a weightlifter. But that sport will be kicked out of the Olympics at/after LA games because of repeated failure from IWF to stay on top of PED usage in the sport for quite some time now. It's a very interesting video that will trigger conversation, but is the argument of the Olympics as compelling? I don't know, I don't. And we will never fully know.

[@joecarusone3514]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Anavar was used in conjunction with low doses of Test. She had been training for quite some time so the “nooby” gains wouldn’t be around in 21 when she looks so massive/shredded. Only makes sense that something was used IMO.

[@hillerfit]

I'm kicking myself for not mentioning that

[@joecarusone3514]

@@hillerfit maybe in a follow up video or something! Anavar is a very popular PED especially for women.

[@Discipline_equals_freedom]

Anavar causes cramps especially low back. It would be tough to train with back pumps. I highly doubt testosterone as well. Maybe primobolan, gh for recovery

[@pulkpuller]

@@Discipline_equals_freedom the cramps are easy to prevent ! The hairline looks like test to me 🤷‍♂️

[@Discipline_equals_freedom]

@@pulkpuller her voice is still feminine. You can use taurine for back pumps but I’ve never had success with it.

[@Kujawa_Powa]

Totally thought this was gonna be clickbait-very interesting video. To play Devil’s Advocate… Her looking ‘softer’ in the Mayhem pics-definitely could’ve been edited, unless you got any videos from 2018 of her looking softer. Also maybe she was going through a bulk period to which she later cut down? No idea if she has ever bulk/ cut in her life-just a possibility. I don’t know if her Covid performance can be considered truly dominant cus of again only the 5 people… think of how many different people we saw win events this year and how some of them didn’t even podium at their quarterfinals. She did say (I think in the 2017 documentary…?) that she saw how negative she was being toward herself in the previous documentary and that’s what changed her attitude. Do you think if she is/was using-do you think previous training buddy Mat Fraser knows? If he did know, do you think he would tattle, or use it with his new prodigy Mal? Would love to see a Natty on Matty.

[@hillerfit]

Good idea. I enjoy the devils advocate

[@paulkane8189]

The entire field improved every year. It is unbelievable that she could improve that much more.

[@hillerfit]

You've got it

[@ashanfernando100]

@Paul Kane so true and she is like 29 yrs old

[@alxfbn]

Do more. But i'll say this now, if froning isn't on the highest levels of juice then i'm a tinkerbell on prozac at ultrafest back in 2013 at this present time

[@hillerfit]

This is good

[@m.a.5028]

Massive points for the Ultrafest reference 🤣

[@lillithsternin7428]

Andrew would never say Froning is juicing😅😀But female athletes are always an easy target for him🤷🏽‍♀️

[@hillerfit]

Top things to address in the comments. 1- The Commonwealth Games / Olympic Testing There are two paths here. One, you accept that if you can pass WADA protocols (Which yes, athletes can AND DO) then the test at the CrossFit Games test is a no brainer. Two, you say that she gets tested more than anyone. Which is true. BUT so did Lance Armstrong. He never failed. Never. His sport was literrally called cycling. 2- A strong constructive counterargument in relation to aquiring fitness over decades. This is fair. This is possible. This is productive. I will read this comment and see that you have filtered through the video (as usually you state you are hopeful that I am wrong). In this instance THESE comments have the same validity as the my video. 3- You're to negative And yet you are here and commenting on my video. I can also determine that you only see what you want to see. So there is no point in having conversation with you. I state that my video is of opinion. Lets just say, comments 1+3 show that you came here with an agenda. Comment 2 shows that you are open to the possibility of being wrong. I also have an agenda. If you are reading this then thank you. If you are comments 1 + 3 I view it in the same lense as never having been informed that Santa Claus isn't real.

[@katefoster9743]

I already stated my prejudice 🇦🇺 I can already see the difference in the comment section about the Mal v Emma situation. You can clearly see a divide in that many US people are leaning towards Mal being natural but Emma questionable 😂 we all have our prejudices. I think picking a few pictures throughout time to prove your argument is extremely sketchy. But yes, I desperately want to believe she is natural. Besides, Shane is a hidden comic taken and needs to put more stuff out there. But as you said, it’s your opinion. How much money will you make out of this clip? Do they pay per views (I have no idea how You Tube rem works) 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@hillerfit]

@@katefoster9743 You have been all around the comment section! I would like to say that I do not have a bias (although I am sure I do). I simply tried to make one of these "Natty or nots" on the two champions. I can get into the other two females as well. But it is likely I do Froning next (seeing he is also retired) or Mat. Shane seems like the man. 100% agree there. I make anywhere from $2.00 - $5.50 US depending on the audience. So while this gets more views, it will likely make less because its on PEDs. No one wants to paid for ads on videos like this is what I understand from it.

[@katefoster9743]

@@hillerfit got me there! Super interested in everyone’s comments on this one. P.S. I have relatives who have been to the Olympics and World Championships multiple times in another sport so I am aware of the testing requirements of Australian athletes.

[@ClockCutter]

There's no one such thing as "WADA testing proctocols". They differ from sport to sport in many ways, from the frequency of out of competititon testing, to the number of people randomly tested during comps, how often they're tested in comp, to the kinds of tests being done at what times of the year. Some international feds pay a lot for a lot of testing and some do not. National anti-doping agencies, e.g., USADA, test athletes under their jurisdiction differently. I don't know what it is going on right now in weightlifting, since WL recently started to suspend whole teams and was/is threatened with being kicked out of the Olympic Games, but not too long ago, weightlifting hardly tested at all compared to other sports, like cycling and track and field. (These sorts of stats are online. Somewhere. I've seen them before.) The claim that she was in the testing pool for WL doesn't imply much at all. It's possible she was never tested at all by the IWF, ASADA, or anyone else. She never won a WL event, which usually triggers automatic testing now. She was 14th at the 2016 Games. The odds of being randomly selected for testing at the Olympics Games are low, and since she was a nobody in the sport, she wouldn't have been targeted for testing. She was third at the 2016 Oceana WL championships. She might have been tested then, if they tested the entire podium. Often only winners are tested in many sports. Again, the practices differ greatly. By the way, Lance Armstrong did fail a test. He popped for cortisone at the 1999 Tour de France. His team doctor wrote a prescription and backdated it, and the doctor, team, and Lance came up with the story that the prescription was for a saddle sore. He was supposed to get an exemption before hand. But the UCI let it slide.

[@gustas0]

Haha. I love this

[@robremorse]

Would love an update on the subject considering she's training during her pregnancy. Thanks for the vids man. Hope you are well.

[@knoxmcconnell4179]

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[@janicelgo4522]

So we're evaluating her natty or not status based on pure physical appearance in pictures but not her performance. Interesting take. So she wins best body? Most PED body? Honestly the pictures are of all types, just hanging out, all jacked from competition, good lighting, bad lighting. Basically a bunch of nothing to actually prove her being on something.

[@erkle3o]

Please do more videos. I think what's disappointing is entering into the games as the avg Cf competitor knowing there are athletes that aren't natural who are competing against you. It takes the fun out of competing and overall takes away from the sport.

[@GraftonPrimaryvideo]

I think the days of following the Crossfit WOD and turning up to compete at the games are long gone. Its a full-time career with decent prize money and sponsorship which in itself encourages people to do things to win. I think people need to accept that the Games level athletes are freakish and it is not possible to handle that kind of volume and recover year after year without some needing some extra help in the off season. I don't think everybody is on PEDs, just the amount that are would probably surprise people. I still enjoy watching the games cause even if someone is on something, it won't do the work for you. And the training required to be games level is still mind blowing and impressive.....

[@keithmerkel7542]

That's the problem. The people that want to do it the right way can't compete against the ones on gear.

[@djsgolfer714]

This was a well thought out argument. She definitely reminds me of Barry Bonds. Going from best in the world to out of this world

[@davidboyle9732]

congrats on 18k subscribers

[@hillerfit]

Thanks man!

[@paulohenriquedossantos6434]

Hiller, The field in 2020 only had 5 athletes, if you compare it with this year, alexis raptis won an event, Haley one another, Mal Obrien another... the field was not as diversified, this allowed Tia to rack up all that point difference.

[@hillerfit]

And 2021?

[@katefoster9743]

I’ll state that I am prejudiced, I am Australian and have supported her since her first appearance in 2015. Both Mal O’Brien and Emma Lawson look as jacked as Tia does right now, they are 10 years younger than Tia. You need to balance out your attack on Tia by doing a video on Them and why they have such massive muscles at 17 & 18? She competed at both the Commonwealth Games (2018) and the Olympics (2016) and trialling for the Olympics in 2021/2022 where they have much tougher testing protocols. At least she has been subject to additional testing, more than other CrossFit athletes and this is a very long period of time to be subject to those protocols. Under WADA you need to be available at any time to be tested. No other CrossFit Athlete has been subject to WADA testing over this period of time. You lost me on this one. Kate out 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@michellebradley8981]

Agreed. I commented the same sentiment and I'm not Australian! Good point about Mal and Emma getting scrutinized too. 🌺

[@katefoster9743]

@rack biceps curl athlete Mal’s parents stabbed her 2021 Games Coach in the back….maybe it’s a pattern

[@emmapatricia1491]

Just because people go to Olympics or comm games doesn’t mean they all get tested across the board 😂 my partner got silver in weightlifting this comm games and was the only one on podium to be tested in his class. So yes even big events they like to pick and choose. They know he’s always been a clean athlete so to keep the sport looking good they’ll go to who they know to be clean 🤷🏽‍♀️ he placed 5th at the Olympics last year and still tested again. No one on the podium got tested. Speaks volumes. So unless you know the BTS then being a supporter or prejudiced isn’t enough of a reason as to why someone isn’t on PED’s

[@hillerfit]

Mal and Emma coming up.

[@bennwaters5851]

Weightlifting ...... now there's a clean sport.

[@misa5941]

You mention the win margin jump in 2018 was 64 points but her main competition was not there -Kara. You mention the win margin in 2019 was 200ish but that’s the year of the cuts which has definitely been agreed by analysts to be an anomaly as the people who made the cuts were not the fittest due to event sequences and early cuts. If you’re going to report, do it fairly.

[@coleby77]

If you see her video on her channels with Shane before the chilli pepper concert she looks like a body builder. Insane physique…look at the athletes mid pack finish who don’t have the strength They look significantly different…she has got to be on something

[@Lou-vt5gl]

Her chest and traps in that video are so masculine - dead giveaway

[@kristiwallace16]

Without a positive test, I don’t think it is possible to say based on photos. Depending on lighting, diet and conditions like whether she just worked out or may be flexing, her physique is going to look different. Also, faces tend to lose volume as people age, which could explain her thinner face shape.

[@ainokea4u]

Tests can be tampered with or corrupted or be flat out wrong

[@theunknown2352]

@@ainokea4u haha...true, tests can be wrong...but looking at pictures from different angles, lighting conditions and pump levels...that's bulletproof. Crossfit should start using this method instead of those silly tests.

[@user-kt8ru9zo9f]

The hulk screams alone should be a red flag.

[@21Seamoney]

To blow everyone out of the water for 5 years in a row is INSANE. You don’t just “work harder” than everyone else. Yes she was going to be great regardless, but to dominate for 5 years is just suspect.

[@OneStrongDad]

Agree but the only question I have is so are all the other athletes clean? And the gear is the difference or is the gear just one of the factors and others are doing it too but she is still the best.

[@thinkforyourself2109]

@@OneStrongDad I have long suspected that CrossFit women are on PEDs. Look at their shoulders and jawlines. They're not doing the insane amounts that Ms. Olympia contestants do, but they must be doing something. The only other sport where you see such muscle development in women is bodybuilding where PEDs is a given.

[@madenot1]

Around 2017 she started training with Mat. If you watch Mat’s interviews he didn’t train like a typical CrossFitter. Everything he did had intention. He said they would always work on their weaknesses.

[@connorwilson1157]

Or that he was doing the same thing and duping us all

[@rossMIE]

Yeah probably that... 🤣🤣🤣

[@bttrbarbie]

Obviously she is not using, Shane is using and she just gave him a blo***, get it right Hiller

[@elkhound38]

Definitely earned a week end review with Sevan . Looking forward to Sunday 😀

[@InternationalScoutIIHarvester]

When the ladies start purposely bumping into others and ask, "do you even lift bro?", you know it's gone too far.

[@iamhop]

I'm not trying to start a witch hunt here but Wells' miracle healing to make the games this year, Pancik (can't remember which one) completely changing his body. You see my point.... And no judgment from me. I hope they're all natty

[@dustinmurdock204]

Tommy johns surgery which I believe is what Brooke wells had done after elbow injury has really good surgical outcomes and most athletes recover well.

[@hillerfit]

I also hope so. It makes all of this even more amazing

[@iamhop]

@@dustinmurdock204 yes and it typically takes a year or so for the athlete to get better. Not go through the open 5 months later then quarterfinals then the semis... I know she's young and I know she's top .1% of athletes. But you still have to wonder.

[@iamhop]

@@hillerfit me too.

[@m.a.5028]

It's even easier for athletes coming back from injuries/major operations to get away with using PEDs in all sports seeing as they can get a Therapeutic Use Exemption from their doctors that make their use of specific PEDs completely legal. Since CF is so open about their testing protocols, TUEs, etc. we will never know

[@faithfulskeptic936]

It strikes me that there are other data that need to be gathered in order to make an *informed* assessment of an athlete's fitness, whether 'natural' or 'enhanced'. One such datum is workout schedule: what has one done in workouts to reach the level of fitness she or he has? One text I continue to hear about juiced jocks is that they medicate to get shortcuts to fitness or physique. Is this true of Tia? When comparing her workout schedule with other competition, does it seem she takes shortcuts to get where she now is? I've not heard this said about Mal O'Brien--perhaps because of her age, her small size, her newness to the stage, and so on. But perhaps it's also because it is generally admitted that no one works harder than she. Perhaps the same about Froning, although some chatter in his case about being 'enhanced', which I've always doubted. His progression seems pretty natural given the demands he makes on himself and given the testimony of others (another datum). In any case, Andrew, I wonder if folks have noticed Tia slacking off on her workout schedule while remaining on her fitness and physique upgrades.

[@SPK7777-7]

I just wanna say, the confidence part, you don't need PEDs to boost yours. I was always very positive person but with some negativity going inward, for mostly the physical reasons. After starting CrossFit at age 37, my transformation of both physical and mental were astonishing. 4.5 years later, I am ever so confident without shaming myself and even get recognized by random people whether I do CrossFit because of my physique (upper body mainly) and I am just a regular ol' gym goer who enjoys her exercise. Somebody also said that women changes their bodyweight/shape pre and during period. We literally have *maybe* 2 weeks where we could truly lose weight out. It's different than men's body for sure.

[@OK-qd9lj]

Yeah. Hiller basically just body shamed Tia for looking “too big” and “too muscular” sometimes. In an age of lighting, Instagram filters, etc. If I was a female athlete in his region, I’d never want to go to his gym

[@bossmanfitness9851]

You should do a video on what exactly CrossFit tests for and if someone were to do PED’s what they could get away with using.

[@mickfrombrisbane1733]

Hiller, you neglect to mention she competed it the Commonwealth Games in 2018 and would have been subjected to WADA testing through that period. It didn't fit with your narrative I suppose.

[@Watchingvids01]

Definitely didn’t.

[@hillerfit]

Everyone can make assumptions. Yours is incorrect. The truth here is I didn't know about this. I can throw it into the bucket of the Olympics though.

[@GraftonPrimaryvideo]

Do you think WADA testing is infallible and no-one at the Olympics is on gear? Not saying that I really could tell you if Tia was on something , just that being tested by WADA is no guarantee that someone isn't on a high level supplement program with PEDS

[@Watchingvids01]

@@GraftonPrimaryvideo our point is to stop making assumptions over things you don’t know…

[@Watchingvids01]

Already said earlier that theres tonne of info out there about chemists making formulations, use of peds in other sport etc

[@GabrielFrois.]

The fact that you even brought up her behavior change, makes this video even better... I hope you are wrong too, but yeah, I think she used too.

[@thinkforyourself2109]

The only missing piece of the puzzle is voice change. Did it drop or not?

[@italiaryan35]

Every time these post come up about natty or not I find that statements are pretty much the same across the board. People try to paint the person as not natty and on some sort of drug without zero proof to back the claim. Same thing here in this video. We can analyze picture after picture and videos through the years and still be wrong. I'd rather not ruin someone's reputation and name on pictures and zero evidence as it could cost them in some fashion. So give me the picture with the needle in her arm, or the doctor who gave her the drugs, or the failed drug test, or friend whose watched her take the drugs, then I would believe you.

[@Hour882Die]

That picture at 6:25 clearly shows their overdeveloped jaws. HGH? Testosterone? Steroids?

[@kellyramos4140]

I enjoyed watching her when she didn’t dominate the field by hundreds of points and also had the dominant attitude. It turned me off when she would scream after winning weightlifting events. Can’t wait til she retires, is this the new CrossFit where the 1st place finisher has to win year after year? Didn’t tune into the games this year partly because of that.

[@m.a.5028]

Ah but this year the programming threw a wrench into the predictable outcomes of years past. For the first 3 days Tia was not in the lead 😮

[@emmaliz5484]

Returning to comment because I just watched her in the CF invitational 2015(?) and she looks and sounds like a different woman. Voice, face, and figure even though she was arguably in top tier condition then too. Also the way she holds her self posture and the way she moves AND the way she moves through the workouts themselves. Yes she is younger and has gotten better and more efficient in all things. HOWEVER it’s something more than that that is hard to precisely articulate. Side note it’s very different in comparison to all the other athletes who have had the same growth and time (like a rookie Brooke wells who was also at that event) Brooke is also much older fitter and more mature but there isn’t the drastic difference though Brookes muscle is quite different now

[@Bolden47]

You can definitely look at someone’s abs and muscles, after YEARS of being in fitness and sports, and tell okay those muscles don’t look natural on that body frame

[@hillerfit]

You got it

[@shaunjozwiak7116]

New tshirt idea, “I want what Tia’s on”

[@jamesbandazewski6306]

What we fail to realize is how long they’ve been training. Something called muscle maturity. If your body isn’t changing. Than you’re doing something wrong in your training and nutrition

[@pulkpuller]

If you think anyone can naturally progress on an aggressive upward curve with less and less recovery your full of 💩 it’s biologically impossible to do what she did naturally be real

[@pulkpuller]

@keepgoing go 😂😂😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@nickvasios3650]

I wanted to post this somewhere you could see it. I'm coming here after having watched your video and the entire debate between you Sevan and Hunter on the Sevan Podcast. If you end up making another one of these again (also applies to this one) you should keep in mind what we call "confirmation bias". Our brains are preconditioned to filter out details or data disproving our beliefs about certain things (i.e., someone passing a drug test, the fact that Tia gets better year by year, the fact that cuts (2019) and the reduced athlete field (2020) make her appear that she's dominating significantly more that what might actually be true if the entire field was there, and other stuff) and at the same time only retain those details that will help us prove our point. That is what makes us humans. Recognizing patterns even where they may not even exist (i.e., something hiding behind the bushes that might attack you) is what led to the human kind surviving and evolving through time. If you want to make a rational claim/argument however, you should consider the following: "Whenever you believe something to be true, you should try as hard as you can to disprove it. Only then, and only if you truly fail or succeed you will truly know whether you were right or wrong from the start". This goes a long way in scientific thinking and writing but obviously has limitations in areas such as this one. How could you possibly prove or disprove something like this? Maybe you have sources that you don't like to ever reveal and that's understandable but you also must know that there's still a chance that they might be wrong or providing you with false information (willingly or unwillingly). I thing the question of whether these athletes are on gear or not is a question worth asking for sure. Just not entirely sure on how this affects you (if at all) by publicly saying that Tia or someone else is on gear when you don't have (or are not willing to provide) hard evidence to support it.

[@nathanroyster1324]

I've been around long enough to remember the negative Nancy Tia Toomey and thought the mental shift was interesting. Never went this far with it but it makes sense. How does someone with so little self confidence get the determination to win by more than 100 points the following year. She's literally a completely different person.

[@ianbrewer4843]

It can happen, and did happen. She had and has a great coach who pushed her physically and mentally.

[@OK-qd9lj]

She was in second place for 2 years (to Katrin). Then she won 1st place by only 2 points (over Kara Webb). Then she started winning 1st by bigger margins. Seems like a pretty normal way for someone to build confidence. Matt Fraser had a similar trajectory. Why not accuse him too?

[@barkingbabs]

Watch the docs and she talks about that. She also only won by 2 points the first time she won.

[@theunknown2352]

Results drive confidence. Winners know this...losers cry foul. I have no dog in this hunt. I don't give a crap about Tia...but if new found confidence is the capstone of your argument, I suggest you try winning a title that starts with "best" and ends with "in the world." If it doesn't alter your self-image, you'll be the first.

[@nathanroyster1324]

@@theunknown2352 I also have no dog in this fight, I didn't definitively say she cheated bc how could I possibly know that and you don't know anything about my athletic history or background lol

[@briang.299]

The question is could a low dose of T cause that kind of performance gap?

[@reubenwaters357]

I think the biggest thing you left out was her age during these years you say she used PEDs. You have to take into consideration women’s body’s developments in their early to mid 20’s because it is still happening. You also didn’t mention how the entire field looks totally different today than it did in 2015.