I Interviewed a CrossFitter Who Has Used Steroids

[@hillerfit]

"I hope CrossFit and the community understands that there are some major holes with their drug testing." -Anonymous (Bill)

[@seanm3933]

I'm pretty sure they understand that

[@macmckie2238]

They don’t care, CF is a business NOT a sport.

[@carltonlear1123]

Bro you are doing an amazing job on topics that people dont want to talk about. Soon people will see your leadership. This is purr raw leadership

[@carltonlear1123]

#FLYTHEDUB

[@hillerfit]

Just out here doing something I never thought I would enjoy. Glad you're on board!

[@BobBob-gu4mi]

Just gotta say love your videos. Never done crossfit and have no plans to ever do crossfit. I guess you could day I'm an extremely casual fan of the sports aspect. I watch your videos because I like you. You do interesting topics and are an entertaining guy. Keep up the good work.

[@hillerfit]

DUDE!! I was just telling my Fiancee that I HOPE I CAN RELATE TO MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU! So this is very cool. Appreciate the comment man

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

I spent at least 100 hours going into the deep PED dive during COVID too. Watching all MPMD videos and other niche YT channels. I joined CrossFit last year as a 24 year old male that has been tempted by PEDs for years and the deep dive has scared me straight.

[@hillerfit]

We share similar intrests! And fear hahaah

[@BuiltonGODSrock]

Why were u considering? It has never crossed my mind. I was scared without even researching

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

@@BuiltonGODSrock Like why do people consider PEDs? 😂 It’s in the name.

[@hillerfit]

@@BuiltonGODSrock caffeine addiction is actually the may deterrent

[@BuiltonGODSrock]

@@hillerfit i don’t understand what you are saying here?

[@wargueta666]

I don't usually watch long videos but the info was so important and you managed to keep it entertain good job man!

[@hillerfit]

THANKS FOR THAT. I have asked a few people if I was able to keep attention throughout. So I am glad that you thought it did the job!

[@Mr_Bob_Loblaw]

Andrew, recant= to take it back. As in to recant one’s testimony is to say the testimony I gave, I’m now saying was not true. You mean “recount,” not recant. The difference being pretty consequential to your video content. Enjoyed watching this video!

[@tighecrovetti2844]

"It helps you come back really, really, quick." - ***stares through camera at Brooke Wells***

[@djsgolfer714]

Good shit, Andrew! You’re like CrossFit’s investigative journalist haha love it! Keep it up!

[@jsizzle911]

Just FYI, admitting to past drug usage will not get you criminal charges. Anyone can lie and say they did when they did not. Typically charges come from possession. Sometimes chemical tests can be used, but that usually is for DUI or child endangerment investigations. The admissions could be used by Crossfit potentially or if he were to be caught in the future possessing steroids, then they could take his statements to impeach his credibility.

[@hillerfit]

Awesome. Thanks for the confirmation. Still for other reasons the individual wishes to remain a mystery.

[@preston2636]

@@hillerfit in the United States you can say anything you want. You can only get charged for admitting to doing anything illegal AFTER you've been read your Miranda rights. This is the entire point of the Miranda rights.

[@SevanStick]

I watch you now for a couple weeks. I‘m not gonna lie, at first I thought: ‚what a weird dude.‘ Spitting in everyones soup. But now I must say, the stuff you put out is absolutely necessairy for our beloved sport. Plain and simple. Especially your takes on movement standards is gold. Keep it up man. 🍀 (I still wonder though why you know what HGH is and Winstrol and why 500mg of Testosteron 3 times a week is a lot.)

[@hillerfit]

Watch my first two videos on PEDs and you will have your answer!

[@DylanAce6]

Because PEDs are fascinating even if you don’t take them

[@casualsender2316]

Love this video and didn’t even think about blood doping in CrossFit but totally makes sense. They’d have to start testing hematocrit like they do in cycling to catch it. I’d be curious which athletes your guy suspects of blood doping. Great job on the video!!!!

[@hillerfit]

Thanks homie! Yeah i never even thought about blood dopeing and how the piss test would never catch that...

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

CrossFit athletes likely use EPO too if they can afford it. It’s never tested for and is more effective than blood doping.

[@casualarrogance]

A Crossfit Games master athlete says in his KZbin channel that they are doing urine and blood test after the Games. Drug Free Sport is able to do that.

[@brandonfowler6013]

Super informative Andrew! I’ve really enjoyed hearing things from a different perspective. Keep it up!

[@hillerfit]

Thanks Brandon

[@truck7engine]

It would be interesting to hear the perspective of a 40-50 year old in CrossFit who is on TRT or something and their experience.

[@hillerfit]

I know a few. I'll reach out

[@brandonfowler6013]

Same here

[@FitgirlDancer]

I'm a female in my 40s and I've used steroids and am now on HRT and it completely changed and improved my CrossFit times/scores and strength. I can say with absolute certainty that top CrossFit athletes are using PEDs. It's STUPID easy to get past tests.

[@RunGSD]

A true TRT user is someone who is at a low level for their age and their doctors are getting them to the range they’re supposed to be so the individual would say I feel better with less fatigue but their performance should be similar to their peers.

[@timchang43]

i really appreciate you for these kind of videos, hope you can do more educational video!!!

[@hillerfit]

Of course! As I try to frequently say. I do the other things to pull people in for the ones like this!

[@belmontdwl]

Another great post. You must be stunned at how your posts have exploded recently. I guess “HWPO”! Good for you!

[@hillerfit]

Yeah it is wild!! Just trying to put something good out each day!

[@ChetLeeKowalski]

Great work brother. Can’t wait for what’s next!!

[@hillerfit]

Anything for you Chet!!! Number 1!!!

[@Mertenscolten]

Best channel in the space, by far

[@hillerfit]

HELL YEAH THANKS COLTEN

[@woodshcc5]

I remember when I left the Marine corps. I have never used PEDs, I was 200 lbs, and I hit the bench at 225 for 31 reps. All he had to do was stick with it and keep working out and eating like crazy...

[@UnrealMatt]

I could listen to this man talk all day.. Going off his team video and the problem with it in the open.. my team consisted of all QF athletes, yet we didn't make the Team QFs... Good to see Tia and Saxon doing team this year at East Nashville!! oh wait..

[@hillerfit]

THATS SICK!! Because I can talk all day lol You are probably the 20th person I have heard have the team issue you speak of... it is sad

[@UnrealMatt]

@@hillerfit Imma come train with you lol

[@ethanwmotley]

My team very nearly missed out on QF because of all those individuals fluffing up team scores for affiliates. We are all QF/borderline semifinal athletes and were really close to being booted out. Even though our lowest open scorer was still 1,500 on the continent (out of 7,000+ making it individual) That math just doesn’t add up. We also only had us 4 that are actually on the team score for the team, while most other teams are using scores from 6,7 or 8 people to post throughout the open. We’re hoping that crap levels out in QF and the teams that are actually well rounded and use just the 4 team members scores won’t be punished for being an actual team.

[@UnrealMatt]

@@ethanwmotley preach man!!!

[@nicholasflores8783]

The reason I bring up nick bare. CEO of BPN. He went into ranger school all jacked, then this guy lost all his gains and looked like a freaking little kid. Then automatically puts back on this weight and muscle. Unfortunately made a video where he addresses comments about natty, which I feel is the wrong thing to do. Hell never admit as he is the face of his own supplement company, but I can’t stand his message about work hard, be all you can be, grind and don’t stop working…but I’m damn sure this guy took plenty of whatever he needed to get his physique to be the main marketing force for his supplements

[@hillerfit]

Yeaht that sounds like the status quo sadly. Ill check him out. Isn't that the dealift and sub 5:00 mile guy?

[@nicholasflores8783]

@@hillerfit that’s his partner Adam Klink same same, but different

[@justinmccrary2043]

Subscribed. This is the content/information the entire community needs to hear. Love your videos!

[@hillerfit]

I'll keep it coming Justin

[@CheerQueen876]

There is an old documentary about a guy who blood doped I wanna say, and his goal was to replicate what lance armstrong did and he wanted to train to cycle in some comp in Europe. If I can remember the name of it I’ll send it to you. I watched it in in my sports psychology class in college and I thought it was insane because he did pass all the tests and was able to get away with competing while using it.

[@CheerQueen876]

Wait it’s not old, it’s Icarus and I’m sure you’ve probably seen it! Anyone who hasn’t seen it & likes this topic should watch it!

[@hillerfit]

I have seen it!! And I think that I could talk on that too!

[@CheerQueen876]

@@hillerfit yes you should!!! This is one of my fav things to talk about, especially since for me personally, my dietary needs/ restrictions are different than most peoples so when I was trying to compete in CrossFit I had a major disadvantage to everyone else, even tho it was my own personal choice.

[@Expliz]

Check out Bostin Lloyd. Bodybuilder just died at 29. He was super transparent about his drug use but horribly reckless.

[@johnjohnsonstein8409]

He also used an ungodly amount of steroids including tren and Winnie Lolol which is absolutely horrible for you

[@stuartpollock84]

What does recant meant? Definition of recanttransitive verb. 1 : : renounce. 2 : revoke. intransitive verb. : to make an open confession of error.

[@TheCheerio27]

It might be a good idea to put a disclaimer at the begging of videos like this, cause you got a lot of detailed info

[@hillerfit]

Similar to MPMD?

[@RadDadRich]

Great work Andrew!

[@hillerfit]

Yessir!

[@RogueCylon]

Most of the SWAT team of my local PD are on steroids and PEDs. Yet it’s illegal.

[@nicholasflores8783]

What about Nick Bare?? Would love you to dissect that guy, who has made a video about addressing his natural status

[@hillerfit]

The running dude?

[@nicholasflores8783]

@@hillerfit yes….wait he calls himself a hybrid athlete…..

[@ClockCutter]

Going back, I don't know how far, the subject was always steroids and CrossFit. Steroids and CrossFit. But, if you understand what EPO and blood transfusions do, and what kind of limits CF athletes run into, you'd first be thinking EPO and blood transfusions for Games athletes. By the way, EPO is/was the PED of choice for endurance athletes. It's far more sterile, with fewer concerns for the effects of increased blood volume. Cyclists went back to blood transfusions when testing for exogenous EPO became possible and was employed more frequently by the UCI. But blood transfusions are risky. Some cyclists got really fracked up by bad blood. Tyler Hamilton, one of the guys who confessed under oath and helped spill the beans on Armstrong, tells a harrowing story that would make anyone think twice about it. Apparently what's still going on in pro cycling is the microdosing of EPO. Small amounts that clear much faster. You don't get the big bang of full EPO doses, and you also don't suppress natural EPO as much, but you're at less risk of getting caught.

[@DarkLordRevan]

Love your content and ethos!

[@hillerfit]

Thanks man!!

[@williamgraham8960]

was it dave castro Just putting that out there hahaha

[@hillerfit]

Oh Shit

[@stephenherold9784]

One thing you haven’t mentioned, and it’s a HUGE ADVANTAGE of using PED’s (I’ve used them before) is the mind-muscle connection you get from using. Think about a Oly lifter, the time/amount of reps to get the mind muscle neuro connection takes a long time. From my experience PEDs essentially “speed up” that process. ie. getting your first muscle up or learning a new movement comes way fucking quicker, not even close to the same amount of time. This to me is the top 3 advantages of PEDs just as big as the muscle growth/recovery aspect.

[@stephenherold9784]

Basically, CrossFit is a sport with a shit ton of different movements and an athlete has to master so many. Most of the movements CFs do are their own individual sport. This is why PEDs will always be very prevalent in CrossFit. And why even a sport like Golf has ppl who use PEDs not for the muscle/cardio/recovery but simply because the mind-muscle connection is sped up ALOT.

[@DylanAce6]

All I’m saying is there’s a particular individual who placed 13th in the open whom is 34 years old that intermediate fasts in the morning and has said in his media teams video that he has a problem with his blood sugar. People who use Human Growth Hormone fast when they administer their dose to get the most out of it so the food/carbs don’t inhibit their release of IGF from their liver. HGH and GH releasing peptides all increase glucose blood sugar. Coincidence? Idk, he is a 9x champion in team and individual. Or maybe he’s a genetic monster.

[@hillerfit]

I see the conection made here. The thing is most peoples "methods" are actually taken directly from PED methods. Why do you think people still think they have to "cycle" creatine? Sometimes people are just dumb. Could go either way IMO

[@zachnunya8749]

GW does too (cardarine)

[@sebulbathx]

Very interesting interview! As a beginner steroids is a shortcut to get where you want or cut the time to your goal. But for those who has trained for a long time or are very close to their natural max then it's not doing as much but it will take you beyond you natural max. As for blood doping that has to be the only thing a normal person should not do and only professionals. The risks can't be worth it for an amateur. Especially the type of blood doping where you draw blood from yourself and then put it back in your body. If doing that kind of doping I think pills that increase your red blood cell count would be the safest yet still dangerous in comparison to regular AAS. I think PEDs are very interesting topic because it shows the real potential of the human body, imo. It's capable of so much more if you shut off the body's "safety protocol" so to speak. Again I would say PEDs makes sports way more exciting but people might not realize that because they don't believe or don't want to believe PEDs are used. In my view records wouldn't be broken year after year without PEDs, period. But as far as PEDs in CF I have always thought blood doping has to be the best type or compound to use for CF since it's an oxygen demanding type of exercise. I don't know if they even test for that because I believe it's hard and expensive to test for. At least at some point I know it was.

[@stephenfricke9298]

A buddy at a NE well known university used Dianabol and did not cycle. His bench exponentially exploded from 200 to about 380-400 lb. Negative pissed blood for weeks. Urologist said Stop.

[@hunterklemz781]

Bro how are you not going to post this his natty test regiment?? Hahaha Herbs, steaks, and nakey sun time?!

[@rhettshort7037]

Just an FYI, to recant is to change your stance or opinion/statement made in the past. I would say this could be considered a personal account, or summation or narration. However you look at it.

[@hillerfit]

Fair

[@rhettshort7037]

@@hillerfit There's always one person in the comments! ha ha! =) Keep up the good work dude, your content is well laid out, concise and most importantly, engaging.

[@ellieb445]

Love this!

[@ChetLeeKowalski]

Let me get my applesauce

[@hillerfit]

Hahahahahah GET SOME

[@dillondykes5609]

Fucking great video dude. So I have a coach who trains this woman at the gym who’s going for her ifbb pro card and goes to a doctor and get prescribed some hardcore stuff like even tren which I thought was just for horses but whatever. However I was talking with her last week and she has given herself severe infections from injecting the stuff and has really fucked her up. Like she’s still not over the infection 2-3 weeks later with bad lumps in her shoulders and butt. Crazy thing is this was all doctor supervised scary stuff

[@hillerfit]

So just imagine that you are doing this without a doctor!! It becomes so dangerous. And Equipose is the horse one. Females in tren go straight to dudes

[@theladdiesda8190]

Tren is a vet steroid like equipoise no doctor is prescribing that shit

[@MMuniz]

I’d like to see you do a video on liver king. Curious to hear what you think about him (obviously on juice, but I more mean lifestyle and shit)

[@hillerfit]

Planning on that soon!

[@jrwitherite12]

Recovery is the reason the top CrossFitters all use steroids.

[@hillerfit]

Thats the biggest take away

[@Meta.Empress]

I think you mean "he wants to recount his experience" not "recant" - they're opposites - recant means to withdraw/remove/disavow

[@Midazolamb]

A lot of evidence to show that testosterone actually weakens ligaments and tendons. It is great for a muscle tear recovery but may actually put users at greater risk for support tissue injuries. Many users also report feeling stiffer especially young guys that get on it can attest to the serious stiffening that occurs that older people might not be as aware of.

[@hillerfit]

this was somethign being pointed to with the pec tears in the 2017 regional

[@rhettshort7037]

Do you have any links to the studies which suggest this? I have only ever heard the opposite. Various studies have surmised that higher levels of T (and accompanying E2) contribute to connective tissue health. Would be interested to see what literature there is out there on the contrary.

[@TarnishedGamer1]

From my research Testosterone does not weaken ligaments or tendons. People who are on gear get tears because of the rapid muscle growth. So the muscular development outpaces the ligament and tendon capacity around the joints. At least that's what I understand from two years of self research on the internet 🙂

[@theladdiesda8190]

@@TarnishedGamer1 this

[@jakovpro1]

they call guilherme malherois BILL in cf mayhem... :O

[@hillerfit]

Hahaha I had no clue!

[@leighbruz9794]

You interviewed Castro, didn't you? I knew it

[@hillerfit]

Shshhhh no one is supposed tonknow!

[@zachnunya8749]

Bills story doesn’t make any sense. He still doesn’t seem to be very knowledgeable about PEDs even now. He acted like he didn’t know how to even do basic lifts on his first cycle or two but yet was stronger than most NFL players. Hurt himself because he didn’t know how to squat but was reppin 405? I just don’t know. I’m watching this at 1.5 speed so maybe I missed some key points.

[@hillerfit]

He admitted he didnt know anything for his first cycle. He was reppin 405 after 8-10 years of education

[@mattk8810]

No way bill wasnt still on Test with how much he was using!

[@crossfitbilly]

ok, I am a person named Bill and I was in the military and nope, I am not the one that used steroids. I never have. ever used steroids. Just need to put that out there.

[@ZDeCarlo576]

📝…red meat got it! 🥩🥩🥩

[@hillerfit]

2lbs a day!!!

[@melokj17]

@@hillerfit I eat 1-2 rib eyes every day but haven’t cut out refined sugars yet.

[@justinwright3099]

Can confirm the positive benefits from eating carnivore diet. Ate that way for 3 months, lost 18lbs, and felt the best I’ve felt in years. No aches or pains. Also lost a little step in my metcons, so should probably try the fruits and very little starch and grains.

[@Midazolamb]

Endurabol, enclomiphene citrate 25mg a day, anastrazole, good genetics, and a shit ton of hard work. That’s my guess for what CrossFit people take. Maybe an occasional test cycle during off season that they can maintain before competition by keeping natural test high with enclomiphene.

[@Midazolamb]

I’ve also noticed that some of my favorite cross fitters not only are leaner and lighter now they are also stronger. My theory is the entire sport has progressed to different drugs throughout the last decade. So yes, the switch to peptides is my suspicion because test causes so much bloating and water weight. A 500mg a week test cycle causes so much anabolic activity that you’d get calf and ankle pumps so bad just from walking through the mall that the idea of CrossFit is just out of the realm of possible. Even moderate doses of trt can cause huge muscle pumps from endurance work that limit one’s ability to keep going. If you look at guys like rich, Tia, and gui they are all very lean and dryer looking than they used to look at almost all times of the year. That’s not a look consistent w testosterone use at least not without extreme dieting that would hinder CrossFit performance.

[@hillerfit]

Sounds like what Ricky had going on

[@hillerfit]

And great point, they are all too lean to be pumping test

[@theladdiesda8190]

@@hillerfit trt doses with an a.i. or primo/masteron as an alternative a.i. would allow a very lean dry look and possibly keep the test levels below the level that woukd trigger further tests but enough to enhance strength and recovery greatly

[@WanderToGetLost]

Everyone said Lance Armstrong was clean even while cyclists were popping positive all around him because he claimed to be outworking them and on his bike 7 hours a day. Remember the nike commercial..."What am I on?" Hard Work Pays Off i guess. lol. I'm sure all the top competitors are on something. Rickey Gerard got nailed and place 3rd in 2017. He was using but couldn't top 2 of the "clean athletes."

[@vanillaghetto]

I, as a 59 year old white-collar woman, have stood next to many of the top male and female crossfitters. They are not a big as you are making them out to be. They are very in shape, lean, ripped. Because that's what they spend 24/7/365 to be. And they are the ones that have the best athletic background, genetics, and mentality to be at the top. It would be great if you could stop comparing yourself and others that aspired to, but didn't make the cut, to the top 20 CrossFitters in the world. Most athletes don't make the Olympics, or even the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc., either.

[@justinwright3099]

Agree with this. I’m always shocked when I see top athletes in person and see that they are much leaner than anticipated. I train with several individual games level athletes and none of them are yoked out of their minds. With that said, I can spot the ones that likely are and they aren’t ever the ones who make it to the games.

[@john-paulburns1242]

Top guys all on it

[@x-Musashi-x]

CrossFit hobbyists: omg some pros use PEDS Brazillian Jiu Jitsu hobbyist: first time?

[@rickl4159]

What stinks is you can't host him as a guest now to teach us how to increase testosterone because he wanted to be anonymous! Ha

[@hillerfit]

We went over it though??!

[@brianknittle6642]

Ok, no hate but nothing on this story makes sense. Military will 100 discharge you for getting caught taking steroids. 1500 mg test is a fkn huge first cycle. You would have massive estrogenic sides and blow up with water. 1250 mg is an insane winstrol dose. You can't mix winstrol and test in the same syringe because test is an oil based depot injection and winstrol is a water based suspension. Oral winstrol is much more common. You cannot put on 35 lean pounds in 2.5 mo no mater what you take. No noob lifter, even on gear, is benching 225 for 39 or squatting 405. He is a big strong guy? 6-2 and 205 is not big and a 385 bench is better than 99 percent of gym rats. Face it, this guys story is a troll.

[@hillerfit]

A few of the things you just stated are false, a few true, and most spectualtion. Just enjoy the video.

[@brianknittle6642]

Righteous bro, you earned a sub from me. Best of luck on your channel.

[@andrewk7745]

Agreed. 6’2” 240lb at 6% bodyfat are better stats then Arnold Schwarzenegger had at his Best Olympia win. So this guy became better than Arnold in 10 weeks? B.S. At 1500 test a week maybe 20lbs were acne puss.

[@silverfr3ak]

Although it seems very obvious to me that you’re not encouraging anyone to use PEDs and you’re always very clear about the fact that people should make their own decision, just in case, you should start the video with a written disclaimer when that’s the subject. Something like the guy from more plates more dates does, saying that it’s only a discussion, educational purposes blah blah blah. The world is full of not so trusty people so it would help.

[@campbellcampbell4470]

that guy from plates and dates seems nice but he really needs a teenager to help him sort out his videos. He is so long winded......

[@hillerfit]

Yeah I will totally put on in furture videos. Not trying to give anyone ideas. Love MPMD though

[@BuiltonGODSrock]

Damn I wish names would come out. Its mind boggling to think all top 120 semifinals athletes are on something. It would be fun if there was no drug testing and that just let em all go to town and then we can really see whos the fittest. One guy u mentioned subtly was Noah. He was a skinny kid and now is jacked. All his posts people comment that hebhas a hgh gut 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@hillerfit]

Wellll I’m not sure I ever said the name?? I’ve been pretty careful about that…

[@gregpettis1113]

You can't train that hard and that frequently naturally

[@jrwitherite12]

It’s not hgh he just trains too much core and doesn’t work on being aesthetic.

[@rab3_cle]

"Ben"

[@TheYoung1BOSS]

Good topics but got lied to so much lol

[@dazzlepink1]

how so?

[@hillerfit]

How so?

[@mangoauto8450]

Can you cut this to 2 minutes with the drugs so i can buy them

[@johnjohnsonstein8409]

Lol you can say you take steroids… they have to catch you buying them or selling them illegally

[@Krumholt]

I've been on TRT for 8 years & done CrossFit and my testosterone level is and has been 670-850 since I was 33. But the level I was at is the same level and the average man,

[@Krumholt]

also his numbers are off. if he is on 300mg of testosterone his testosterone level should be around 1000-1200 which is 400 nanograms per deciliter higher that the average male. Just because your numbers are high does not mean more recovery or that you feel better. There are so many more numbers that play a role like estradiol. He got bitch tits because his test was converting to estrogen and causing that because he was not taking a estrogen blocker. He was also taking sustain which has 3-4 different esters of testosterone which means it releases in his body at different times. A smart athlete (not competing for money like myself and under a doctors care) who wants steady blood levels would take cypionate or enanthate which has a 3-4 day half life and take .5ml every 3.5 days. again these are traceable on a drug test longgggggg after the hormones are out of you body because it messes with estrogen, prolactin, hematocrit, psa, LHA ect......

[@hillerfit]

It is clear you have done your research!

[@vanillaghetto]

You used the word *recant* incorrectly multiple times. Recant: say that one no longer holds an opinion or belief

[@hillerfit]

My bad.

[@DylanAce6]

You gotta eat Clen and Tren harder!!

[@hillerfit]

ANAVAR Give up!

[@j-machealthandfitness3743]

Dbolish your goals

[@derkgold6395]

Theyre all on dope wow