Tim Burton's Fight Over The Nightmare Before Christmas

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[@onojioboardwalk9748]

''Right,'' except for the part that always makes anti-burton types look very SMOOTH in the brain in the end - When one reminds everyone that this WHOLE movie is based on BURTONS characters, HIS art style! .. There would be NO movie - NO videogames, no before-christmas books, no videogame sequel or merchandise, NONE of it: Without burton and his work he fine tuned for most of his life. Which makes this movie at minimum 50% HIS. Probably more than that too. This, was NOT ''All selick.'' +

[@thinlion01]

Tim: too much credit Henry: Not enough credit Elfman: appropriate amount of credit

[@joeybaseball7352]

It's annoying that Disney wanted no association with this movie. But when it went from being just a movie with a cult following, to a very successful IP years later, and they saw the potential to milk this every Halloween for the rest of eternity, Disney was more than willing to slap their name on it. Especially considering Disney didn't really have a trademark Halloween IP to oversaturate the market with. And in the 90's, Halloween was quickly becoming the #2 commercial holiday. It's like how Shaq's biological father was never in his life. But once he became a successful NBA player, he wanted back into his life.

[@theothervault]

YES. Never in 1,000 years would I guess that I'd ever read a comparison of Nightmare Before Christmas to Shaq, but here we are...

[@toffyflame0]

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[@sherrycooper8834]

Exactly 💯 I remember Nightmare Before Christmas was not a Disney movie

[@MyssBlewm]

Funnily enough, they did the same exact thing with "Hocus Pocus."

[@joeybaseball7352]

@@MyssBlewm I bet they're kicking themselves for putting Hocus Pocus 2 on streaming, after seeing the success of Beetlejuice 2 in theaters.

[@localnailjunkie]

I went from being equal parts terrified and intrigued to absolutely head over heels for this movie. I can’t watch it anymore unfortunately due to some trauma that happened and the movie was a harmless bystander but I really did love TNBC. I’ve been thinking about watching it again recently as a therapeutic thing to hopefully help break the issue I’m having, it’s just tough for me.

[@mkaylor121]

I'm so sorry that this movie was ruined for you. I truly hope that you overcome your trauma. Peace be with you

[@DancesNaked]

What mkaylor said. That's terrible and all the strength to you in your pursuit of progress and growth! 💜

[@BrandonRanger-sj1ek]

Suck it up

[@NeoRetroEntertainment]

As a kid I always assumed it was directed by Tim Burton. Henry Selick deserves way more recognition

[@Kokorokoto9]

I mean, yes he did a great job, but it still 100% from of Tim minds, he just hired someone to build it caus he didn’t had time. Steve Jobs, or even Apple as a company, don’t directly build the iPhone, still iPhone by Apple, they don’t credit the chinese company making it on the thing, we’re talking about art so it maybe don’t have to be this cold, but Tim would have made the work if he could and he had to approve everything, Henry had 0 voice on the final product, we can’t say it’s his movie

[@brookelynabraham1312]

Idk think of it like a book adaption like the hunger games like yes the movie and screen play were written by those writers and directed by that person but it’s still Suzan collins the hunger games no matter who touches it because the concept is hers

[@ForbiddenArchive]

Lol hunger games was actually Koushun Takami's idea the writer of battle royal ​@@brookelynabraham1312

[@andS7]

@@brookelynabraham1312very true but different people working on it make it something completely diff It could’ve been very different Just look at each Batman movie All good but very different

[@toidIllorTAmI]

​@Kokorokoto9 they credit designing it in San Francisco, CA so you are kinda wrong and kinda correct.

[@PlaybillsAndPixels]

Tim Burton made the world. Henry Selick and his team brought the world to life. Danny Elfman gave it a voice. And all three made it immortal.

[@ZigZagtheWasteland]

Couldn't say it any better.

[@Mafia34251]

I'm gonna simplify this further: Tim Burton made the shell, Henry and his team made the soul, and Danny gave it it's voice, making the film truly come alive.

[@GoldenRiderAtreyu]

@@Mafia34251 No. Tim definitely made the soul. The movie was gonna be very different if Tim Burton didn't literally kick a hole in a wall in frustration over the storyboard. Oogie Boogie was going to be Dr. Finkelstein in disguise. He would've been motivated to screw over Jack because he stole Sally away from him.

[@Dilemina]

Disney thankfully didn't want to call it Disney's Nightmare before Christmas, so they marketed it as Tim Burton's Nightmare before cristmas. The director of Disney animated projects is always hosed. Just ask Don Bluth.

[@McClintockOnline]

Exactly well said

[@marcinszlachetka1227]

Caroline Thompson also deserves the credit. Her writing the script gave Sellick actual things to storyboard and animate besides the songs and stitched the whole thing together.

[@theothervault]

Yeah - that's a great point.

[@alexc.1734]

The thing that bugs me is that a lot of people credit other stop motion films as Tim Burton's, specifically Coraline, which is Henry Selick

[@zorob5]

Never met someone who attributes Coraline to Tim Burton...especially as that film is far too good to have been released by current Tim Burton.

[@alexc.1734]

@@zorob5you must not read comments on TikTok 😂

[@GaryTongue-zn5di]

@alexc.1734 Directors get too much credit too,.dumbass. it's the screenwriter that starts everything.

[@suarezguy]

Sad, you would think people who were real into films like stop-motion films would look more into the details.

[@dudeman5303]

​@@zorob5dude you're nuts, more than 50% of the people that have watched that think it's by tim Burton because it was advertised and released on DVD as "from the creators of nightmare before christmas" instead of his name. I have never met anyone that's ever even heard of Henry sellick

[@bebopblue]

I remember when Coraline came out it was promoted as “From the director of The Nightmare Before Christmas” unfortunately some people did not know who the actual director was and assumed Tim Burton. So I would see a article in the newspaper talking about Coraline and mentioning Tim Burton as the director.

[@suarezguy]

You would think, hope that big animation fans would check more and know that Selick directed it, also James and the Giant Peach (and Roald Dahl including his movies was already pretty big in '90s and then also '00s).

[@user-bx4ti6ig3i]

Some people also assume Tim Burton had something to do with Coraline but he didn't.

[@MorganMcGinnis]

they promoted James and the Giant Preach the same way

[@suarezguy]

@@MorganMcGinnis Tim Burton did also produce that (although as favor to Selick, really not claiming credit for it overall).

[@MorganMcGinnis]

@suarezguy still, "from the director of the Nightmare Before Christmas" put it in the minds of the unaware that Tim Burton directed James and the Giant peach. I had the arguments, i was there 30000 years ago...

[@spitt0110]

its why people got confused when James and the Giant Peach came out, when they touted it as "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TNBC" everything thought it was another tim burton story. but when it was indeed the DIRECTOR, Henery.

[@dakotahmays1437]

Same thing with Coraline

[@Releasethebats123]

James and the giant peach was amazing. So was coraline. Monster house was cool too

[@dudeman5303]

It's frustrating, like wtf man give him the credit he deserves instead of making over half he viewers think it's tim Burton. Say "from Henry Selleck, the director of nightmare before christmas

[@KasumiKenshirou]

So the "Tim Burton's" part of the title is like the "Bram Stoker's" in "Bram Stoker's Dracula". Bram Stoker didn't direct the movie, but it's based on his idea. I can see why Selick would be annoyed, though, as the marketing made it appear as if Tim Burton directed the movie.

[@faissal3055]

It is based on the novel that he wrote, its not like Tim Burton wrote an entire book which was then adapted

[@ezkibela]

​@@faissal3055exactly , absurd comparation the guy did

[@Chris-x8o1z]

@@faissal3055It was his characters, based off of his poem. Plenty of stories are based off short stories or poems, Tim created it. Even had help in the creation of the music far before Henry. Henry then brought it all to life with his amazing team

[@Kosovar_Chicken]

@@faissal3055nay, but he wrote a poem

[@SagaciousSilence]

Tim made the story, Selick made the visuals, and Elfman gave the movie its soul with music and songs.

[@pault5557]

Well, technically, Tim Burton made the visuals too, in his iconic style! Selick directed the story and how it would be shown!

[@joeboo8626]

Three Men and a Baby.

[@JNAMOTORSPORTS]

Disney would have animated it just fine

[@TheAussieShalien]

Tim made the story (it was a book before a movie), Henry directed the film, that's what I've heard all these years as a TNBC fan

[@TheSpookychick]

The poem was published in a book format after the film’s release.

[@TheSpookychick]

The screenplay was written by Caroline Thompson. Burton laid the foundation for the story, but the story as it is in the film wasn't conceived by him.

[@PaceFilmsProductions]

I think people recognize that it sucks that Henry Selick doesn't get the recognition he deserves as director of this movie. And it's sadly so common in Hollywood for creatives to get screwed over (plus some people really being down on Burton with the later half of his career) that it causes people to want to overcorrect to the point I've seen people advocate for Burton's name being removed and try to make it seem like Burton basically had nothing to do with the film.

[@CjE-d4s]

No, its because at this point burton has put out way more garbage than good. Its not overcorrection its him not being good anymore and doing shitty projects.

[@SonnyFrisco]

At this point, everyone knows he directed it. He gets the recognition. He's been getting it since after Coraline released.

[@MichaelSar12IsBack]

@@CjE-d4s You say that as if Henry Selick wasn't the guy who made "Monkeybone".

[@theuglyinsect4093]

I think theirs a difference between “directing” a live action film vs a stop motion film. The latter being a lot more tedious, technical and workman like. NBC was Burton’s vision and his fingerprints are all over the thing. Selick came in oversaw the tedious technical part of bringing it to life. He deserves credit for the job he did, but this was always Tim Burtons thing. It’s similar to George Lucas and his role with the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi - he didn’t do the actual directing of either of those films. He was a very hands on producer and wrote the plots/stories for them. No one thinks of those as Irvin Kershner or Richard Marquand’s films, even though they are the respective directors of Empire and Jedi. That’s because Lucas’ influence is all over those movies. So despite Henry Selick “directing” the NBC - I think it’s really obvious how integral Burtons influence is to the movie. I also think given the strength of the music/songs that Danny Elfman is another contributor that’s equally important to the movie. Much like this video, I tend to agree that all three- Burton, Selick and Elfman should be credited with the creation of the Nightmare Before Christmas. But I do think it all starts with Burton - it simply doesn’t exist without him.

[@GaryTongue-zn5di]

@PaceFilmsProductions That's because Tim was barely involved and ALMOST never on set, dumbass.

[@WhatisReal11]

The youtube algorithm makes no sense. How is it not promoting this video more, its ridiculous.

[@theothervault]

Thanks! I'm just glad to see that you and others who do watch are enjoying it!

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[@L33tSkE3t]

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[@winter.soldier721]

6 months later and it’s finally doing its job- this kept popping up for me the past few days so i finally clicked on it😂

[@Atomic-Purple-Guy]

Henry selick also made James and the giant peach. Also one of my favorite movies.

[@tormmac]

seeing different shots of elfman through the past 25 years is hilarious, it's like he's dressed up and plays a different character each clip

[@YmustTh3w0rldG0r0und]

Tim Burton: the aesthetic, the style Henry Selick: the art motion and development, the life Danny Elfman: the vibe, the music, the energy

[@MuffinEnjoyer]

Without Elfman, the movie would not be a masterpiece

[@suarezguy]

"What's This?"

[@urilaf8598]

The story Caroline Thompson actually Tim Burton only made the concept but didn’t write the screenplay we enjoy

[@ezkibela]

Tim Burton just gave the idea, the history is not his also it was written by a woman i dont remember her name.

[@Official_Anonymous]

This whole situation reminds me of Animaniacs and Tiny Toons, where Spielberg gets the majority of the credit, despite for example, not creating the Warners. Seriously, Tom Ruegger doesn't get enough credit.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

Unfortunately, a lot of it is the result of companies getting cold feet when test audiences fail to latch onto the product and have to resort to slapping the most popular name involved in the production to garner more attention in hopes of making more revenue.

[@GaryTongue-zn5di]

Directors get too much credit in general, when screenwriting is way more important.

[@Calypso694]

Tims concept,poem and art Elfmans soundtrack and music Selicks Directing and wonderful animation. to make 1 legendary film.

[@ClassifiedRanTom]

The fact that Disney tried to back pedal in the merchandise when it first released, only for it to become one of their biggest money makers in merch now…

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

I mean, blame the winnie little kids who hated it on the first screening

[@ClassifiedRanTom]

Isn’t it both of their films?? Selick did the work from Burton’s ideas. That’s why both Stan Lee AND Jack Kirby/Steve Ditko get credits for most of the Marvel characters, because they both contributed.

[@AndrewSnarls]

The idea for A Nightmare Before Christmas may have come from Tim Burton's mind but with that movie it was a big collaboration, between Tim Burton, Henry Selick and the stop-motion artists, and the music and lyrics of Danny Elfman. Tim Burton gets the highest credit because he was the originator of the idea, so if Henry Selick can't handle that then he needs to never collaborate on another adaptation again and only go with what he comes up with himself, that way the ideas are creator-owned and he receives all of the accolades.

[@KhurtKhave669]

It's no different than watching Stephen King's IT or Dr. Seuss' The Cat in the Hat. The writer/creator gets the credit, until you can coast like Burton because you're the producer. LOL

[@matthewweng8483]

I really think a lot of the magic for kids in this movie came from watching it with their parents. Almost as if the stuff that might have creeped them out suddenly became safe and, ultimately, fun when mom or dad are showing it to them and enjoying it along with them. My daughter was four or five when we cuddled on the couch and watched it together. She ran with it, loved it, and now, at 31, she still has 'Nightmare' stuff everywhere.

[@anominon]

So the truth was it was a little of all of them. No one person, Burton was the author and initial concept designer, Thompson as writer, Elfman giving life to the characters through the music, and Selick as director and animator. Like most films, it wouldn't have been the same without all of the people who had a part in its creation.

[@JohnStanworth]

Industry standard is that it’s the director’s film. It’s the director that puts everything together. The only time the line gets blurred is when the producer also writes the film. Think Spielberg with Poltergeist.

[@thischannelisdeleted]

Tell me you didn’t watched the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video

[@ChiefBrodyRules]

LOL The ending of this video is insane. "WELL, THEY'RE ALL WINNERS!" I was legit expecting a solid answer for some reason.

[@redheadboyyy123]

Burton came up with the idea when working for Disney. Disney kept the visuals in his file. Years later Burton wanted to revisit it so he produced the film, and came up with the art, Sellick had the team who did the leg work and he was in charge of them. Burton was the producer so he was in charge of Sellick. So it’s Burton’s story told by another guy. I thi k they deserve equal praise since they couldn’t make this by themselves. They really needed each other for this. It’s Sellick’s amazing team and direction, but the story is 100% Burton so personally it’s both party’s imo

[@TeamTheme]

Exactly. It’s like George Lucas didn’t direct Episode 5 & 6 but there still his movies

[@redheadboyyy123]

@@TeamTheme right. He was there he overlooked everything but Ivan and Patrick directed them

[@Booker.Z.Watching-tons]

Films aren’t made by one person. Surprise! 🎉

[@PictorialMuseum]

Henry Selick is to Tim Burton what Ridley Scott was to Dan O’Bannon. There’s no way their ideas would have ever taken flight and become so legendary without very talented filmmakers to make it happen.

[@KynaruHelio]

music=danny art=tim story=tim screenplay=caroline sculptor=henry animator=henry director=henry

[@WAEA]

Drugs=Michael

[@billcook4768]

Side note: It’s amazing how much Disney has reclaimed the movie… especially in terms of selling merchandise in the theme parks. Oh, and if I’m forced to put one name as the creative force, I’m going with Danny Elfman.

[@Jeremy-bt8lo]

Just put all names, I hate that we all just have to choose one name to credit movies. When it’s usually 2-3 people that are leading the charge when it comes to a producer, a director, and a head writer. Its not even counting the camera crew or the rest but I feel like we should at least normalize acknowledging more of those top roles in the front advertising credits

[@Searchlight1210]

FANTASTIC!! I can’t believe the meticulous research that goes into your compelling stories of the world of Disney - and Hollywood - history. When do you sleep?

[@theothervault]

Thanks so much!

[@Taydar]

Did growing up in Southern California just make people weird?

[@RandumYTenjoyer05]

as someone that grew in SC and with this movie and some of Tim's other works yea pretty much

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

As someone from LA, yes. It's very chaotic over here

[@grantponciano9386]

23:55 I know it's not supposed to be funny but something about that confetti and sad dying horn sound effect when you said all three, was so hilarious. Lol

[@theothervault]

Ha! Who says it's not supposed to be funny?

[@Marlboro-lights1]

Thank god Tim Burton made this masterpiece! It’s amazing that all of that creativity came from one eccentric man with crazy hair. The world would be genuinely different if nightmare before xmas didn’t spawn from this creatives genius mind. Thank you Tim ❤️

[@halloweenvillex]

I appreciate you for still cooking your videos and going if some fare well more then they otheres but they’re all are very well researched,,, you’re good at picking things I’ve never seen discussed or discussed to this amount of detail YURT

[@theothervault]

Thanks - I really appreciate that. So awesome that people still enjoy my stuff and keep on coming back for more!

An ESL student, perhaps?

[@squirreltactics]

I'd be surprised if Burton wasn't at least somewhat inspired by Monsters Holiday, one of Boris Pickets follow-ups to Monster Mash, where the Halloween monsters plot to celebrate Christmas and kidnap Santa Claus

[@mikebevibevi]

So it's Boris Pickets movie as much as Burton's...

[@BradenLauer-c4s]

One of the best video essays I’ve ever seen on this topic. WOW

[@ViviMyoung]

What's worse (and I adore Tim Burton so no shade at him at all). Bc Coraline (a movie directed by Henry Selick) was advertised as "from the director of nightmare before Christmas" ppl always think Tim Burton directed Coraline. When in fact, he had nothing to do with Coraline whatsoever lol

[@KingdomHeartsBrawler]

All three contributed greatly, but, at the end of the day, the film is Burton's baby. He had been working on it since the '80s, and he was the movie's lead creative. Selick may have directed, but Burton had the final say on everything. The story, world, and characters are Burton's (fun fact - Jack Skellington made his first appearance as a cameo in Beetlejuice). That all being said, I do think Selick ought to get credit for directing. I tend to credit both Burton and Selick whenever I'm discussing the film.

[@tobydammit6599]

Industry standard is that its the directors movie. Producers are there at the very beginning but they dont get credit for the overall movie. Its always the director. Tim made bones but all the meat and potatoes of this movie was done by sellick and the writer caroline. Burton wasn’t even in town for the majority of this film’s production as mentioned in the video. If you dont realize how much the director does then its easy to confuse this. But they make all artistic and story choices. It would have never existed with burton. But it would have never existed the way it does without sellick. He literally did 90% of the work.

[@Enk64]

It's just the title that's confusing. It's like saying .... ('MICHEAL CRICHTON'S 'JURASSIC PARK') ...also directed by Spielberg, with some help from Stan Winston, ILM & a bunch of others.

[@desertxpunk]

I remember seeing this in theaters as a teen. I thought the world and songs were amazing but the story and the way it was all pieced together was hap-hazard. Still very unique and can be fun to watch.

[@TNTspaz]

It's kind of a shame. It's not even really anything they did wrong. It was caused by fan misunderstandings and marketing fumbles that they had no part in. Which they then got emotionally attached to

[@DEMIxGODxSHADOW]

I cant imagine this movie without Edward Gorey and Edgar Alan Poe

[@JorgeAlbertoBenavidesOjinaga]

When the composer of a musical is quoted saying “it’s 100% Tim’s” I think the answer it’s pretty clear. Henry its an amazing director but he was playing with other people’s toys.

[@user-bx4ti6ig3i]

My kids always burst singing "what's this?!" Every time we ask the question.

[@puertoriconnect4611]

Bro this video and your personality are top tier. I thought you’d for sure have at least 100k subs. Don’t get me wrong 13k is dope but with videos like this you guaranteed to at least triple your subs.

[@theothervault]

Thanks - I really appreciate that! Slowly but surely getting there...

[@scoutart1508]

if you ask me, it is like the topic of anime films or projects in which is the mangaka creation, but the animation provided by the technical artists that even deserve the credit, case in point, Rumiko Takahashi's Urusei Yatsura the anime, directed by mainly Mamoru Oshii, makes interesting sense?

[@theothervault]

Totally!

[@AlcoVoz]

This makes a lot of sense now as to why I've never liked the film. I love other Tim Burton movies and I've tried several times to watch Nightmare Before Christmas and while it's a beautiful movie, I never could get into it. Now I know why. Thanks.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Halloween is universally my favorite holiday.

[@billdenbrough501]

Tims idea, Tim invented the look, the story and the characters. he cast the film and is the one who developed the songs with Elfman and the screenplay with Thompson. He did the same things with 'Frankenweenie' and 'Corpse Bride' where he also was not the day-to-day director shooting the film but had final approval of everything and is credited as co-director. Selick was the animation director who did the hard yards of bringing it all to life. A major contribution and he should be credited as co-director but it's fundamentally Tim Burtons vision brought to life, not Selicks.

[@luvsdizners]

I'm sure Disney saw the same thing in Tim as they saw in Rolly Crump

[@AldenMartinale1990]

I think he finally got the credit he deserves with Coraline. IMO. That movie is a masterpiece of art.

[@jeanetteblankenship6107]

My dad took me to see this in theaters. I was about 12 and it blew me away. I watch it on Halloween every year, my kids loved it too. I know they say it was initially received badly but I remember pre teens were into it. The same age group that made Monster High popular, go figure.

[@auburn1357]

It's amazing how the movie got started without even a working script. Even to where 10 songs had been recorded. I think it's sad that in all this argument about whether the creator/producer, the director, or the composer deserve the most credit that the writer isn't put in contention. Sure Caroline Thompson came along later to the party but so much about what makes that movie work is the dialogue and the movie would have easily failed without her talent and creativity Burton, Selick, Elfman, and Thompson

[@wwfederationz]

View it like "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" or "Bram Stoker's Dracula" from the 90s. They wrote the books...didn't direct the movies. Just the title of the film.

[@666_N_94]

I mean the OG story and characters are definitely Tim’s…but Henry did all of the heavy lifting and bulk of the work on the film and definitely doesn’t get enough credit for it.

[@user-or2eb7mn3u]

Slow Bob and the Lower Dimension looks like it would have been my fave show.

[@Soooooooooooonicable]

The fault lies with Disney executives who decided to put Tim's name before the title because they felt it would draw in more people after the success of his recent movies. Tim didn't ask to have his name put there. I can totally understand why Henry and his team would feel hurt by this.

[@littleboo2002]

This is so crazy, for the past couple days, I've been thinking who's film TNBC was. And was thinking it was all three, because without Tim there weould have been story or vibe, without Danny there would have been no story to flesh out, and without Henry there would have been no visuals, or film. This video just popped up today for me.

[@Nenernener123]

It always baffles me how this film wasn’t initially liked by young audiences. My little played the movie at 4 or 5 & LOVED it! And she was a standard Disney Princess kinda girl. When we finally went to Disney World when she was 5, the only people we waited in line to see was Jack & Sally! And this was ALL her, she was NOT missing her moment to meet them!

[@mijavera]

I was in grade school when this film came out and it was exactly what I needed as a kid.

[@cornjobb]

steve jobs did very little inventing of apple products, but he was the face of the company and the marketing genius which isn't a position that should be taken too lightly (in this case)

[@cellophanezebra4663]

Seeing Henry Selick for the first time, he actually moves like his characters and it's fascinating

[@suarezguy]

Sad that some people don't get that a lot of films are very collaborative.

[@marrerowski]

It clearly was a collaboration of very talented people based on a 3 page poem.

[@joshmoreland2698]

Thanks man, really enjoy your content

[@theothervault]

Thanks! So glad you're enjoying everything!

[@JuvyThaKid]

I've had people try to argue with me about who directed this movie and I just tell them, go check the credits. Also the fact that it's not strictly a spooky Halloween movie. Jack is trying to get away from Halloween and be immersed in the joy and everything of Christmas.

[@anthonyviera7590]

Bram Stoker’s Dracula is a Francis Ford Coppola movie, William Shakespeare’s Romeo + Juliet is a Baz Luhrmann film, thus Tim Burton’s The Nightmare before Christmas must be a Henry Selick film

[@Sp1d3rpool91]

To be fair Tim Burton created The Nightmare Before Christmas before it was an actual movie with a poem, while Henry directed the film. So I’ll give them a 50/50.

[@bb1111116]

A similar debate happened with The Empire Strikes Back. Lucas wrote the story. The script was by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan (with some uncredited help by Lucas) and it was directed by Irvin Kershner.

[@mhume0221]

This channel needs to be recognized more!

[@theothervault]

Thanks so much!

[@androognoix1685]

Tim Burton wrote the book it was based off and its script. He deserves as much credit as Henry selick

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

We all know what it looks like when Tim Burton directs a stop-motion musical - and Corpse Bride sucks balls!!

[@heyuonthewall26]

For YEARS I disparaged Burton and those that insisted Nightmare was his film. This dive has made me recant my opinion. Now, Selick definitely deserves all the credit for the legwork and the direction, but it certainly seems like it was Burton’s vision. That said, I don’t think it’s fair to credit anyone the way you would in a live action film. So, to say it’s all of theirs seems the most fitting.

[@PaulieLauraXombie1331]

Was Tim's short story and co producer, Jorgans final character design which was heavily influenced on Tim's initial artwork, Caroline wrote the script and helped set the story boards and Selick was director/producer.. They all had a hand in creating this world. As if who truly owns it legally it would be Burton..

[@lemonskyia_4130]

Fascinating story! Thank you for going over clickbait titles calmly and fairly and explaining everyone's contribution. My fave part of the movie is definitely the soundtrack and Danny surely deserves more light on him every time the movie comes up! But everyone did an amazing job to bring the story to life and Disney can go choke on a candy cane for it's treatment of creators.

[@theothervault]

So glad you enjoyed this one!

[@myautobiographyafanfic1413]

They all get their own credits. Thats why credits like "composer", "producer", "director", "story by", and "writer" all exist. The question "who gets "the credit" for it" is too nebulous, and "Tim Burton's" was obviously more for marketing than a credit. It's the film, in earnest, belongs to Disney.

[@dm6905]

Tim Burton created the world and characters, developed the songs with Danny Elfman and produced the movie. In Hollywood a director is often just a work-for-hire job to bring the producer's ideas to life, and a creative producer is as much, if not more, creatively in charge. In this case, Henry Selick was hired to handle the day job of bringing Tim Burton's ideas to life.

[@C01dEyes]

I've always had the opinion that it's Tim Burton production by design but the one truly responsible behind the overall direction and who really made the film what it is was Henry Selick. There are two sides of the same coin and in many ways are equally as important but I think Henry's contribution is far more significant.

[@hatertime]

Tim Burton drew the characters, wrote the story, did all of the design details, drew the sets, and is responsible for all of the production techniques to be used. Tim Burton made The Nightmare Before Christmas. The confusion comes from the fact that stop motion animation takes such a long time that Burton did other projects while photography was being done. It is similar to Irvin Kershner or Richard Marquand are credited as directors of Empire and Jedi. Lucas was filming the special effects, creating all of the design elements, editing and basically helping the "directors" who were directing the actors while Lucas was working on everything else. So Sellick was a hired gun to film Burton's vision. Lucas was generous with crediting their contributions - but it's his film.

[@SewerTapes]

They should have just released it as Disney's Touchstone Pictures Presents Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas: A Henry Selik film.

[@CurlyScheck]

Whether he was there to hover and look over everyones shoulder or do something else because he trusts the team isn't of the question. The movie was his brain-child and his leadership style doesn't put into question whether the story or character designs would ever exist without him directly coming up with them himself. I dont think Henry would be happy with your answer that all of them made the movie.

[@thisguy1177]

It’s Danny Elfman’s movie. Nothing touched by Disney has as many bangers as this movie. Ever song is gas.

[@9ineBand]

Tim is that kid during a group project that does 10% of the work and takes all the credit anyway.

[@stpat7614]

It's kind of like the controversy over Poltergeist. People don't seem to understand a movie can belong to more than one person.

[@Pinkrosesandagraveyard]

My daughter has been watching this movie since she was 4/5 years old lol it blows my mind to hear that kids didn’t like it during the testing.

[@nightwinger234]

It works like the Marvel movies. Marvel owns the characters, world, IP, all that. It's not "Joss Whedon's The Avengers" because Joss Whedon only directed it, he didn't have a hand in conceptualising The Avengers. It's nothing personal against Henry Sellek, but the fact is, Tim Burton was a bit of a name in the early 90s, not a household name, but someone with a few projects under his belt that families would be familiar with. Sellek didn't, doesn't exactly have that popularity, and when trying to market an incredibly niche movie, when trying to sell people on making a movie, you might need to give the audience a bit of a nudge by using a name people know. Henry Sellek wants credit for having directed this, while aping off Tim Burton's style, to the point where it's indistinguishable from Burton. It's Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas because he created the world, the characters, the look, the style guide, and knew the guy who would do the music for it. It's his thing, he just didn't direct it.

[@JamieEvansBooks]

I grew up in the 80's (born 1974) and lots of movies had Steven Spielberg presents above the title (back to the future, gremlins, goonies, just to name a few) and as a kid I always thought he made those movies...

[@RossLynchFan2005]

Meanwhile the other producers who helped make the movie: OUR MOVIE

[@MatthewGill-nv4tb]

The ads.... i always imagine in the past. someone just going through phone books and trying to sell people their address and phone number

[@l0vesick666]

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[@theothervault]

So glad you're enjoying it!

[@CoenGearhart]

Disney did rerelease the nightmare before Christmas into theirs on other home media releases and platforms except Netflix had the touchstone logo and Hulu had the Disney logo way before Disney plus was made

[@BananaBlueMonkey]

KZbin saved this for Halloween on my algorithm. Rare W for them

[@arc7375]

It’s Selick’s movie.

[@gofigure17]

Is this Henry stalking the comments section?

[@arc7375]

@@gofigure17Shhhh! Tell _no-one!_ 👀

[@werewolfofmandalore]

Based on Tim Burton's concepts, drawings and general direction WITH Danny Elfmans's songs AND Caroline Thompson's efforts to string it together into a coherent story makes TNBC story even possible. Yeah Henry directed it and HIS team made the models and shot it all but its not like Henry created anything him and his team were shooting. Remember Henry was hired BY Tim Burton for this film. Remember a key detail here is that TNBC tanked when it opened, meaning Tim Burton's name was on it when it tanked. I think it was only when the film gained traction after, before Disney wanted it back, Henry realized that he wouldn't get the recognition for it and then began complaining. Henry has had a great career before and since, he hasn't recognized he was only a part of the bigger picture. Its Tim's.

[@bewell256]

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[@theothervault]

Thanks so much! I'm always terrified that viewers will be turned off to them, so I appreciate the love!

[@bewell256]

just watched the movie at el capitan theatre today! it’s the best way to watch it in 4D

[@KyLeon0130]

I do agree that Henry Selick's name should be more well known for this movie, but whenever a youtuber or Podcaster makes it sound like Tim Burton had nothing to do with the movie, it does get under my skin.