Never Thought I'd Shoot This Bow..

Tim Connor swaps the Bowtech Core SS out for the Elite Ethos 33 and this video is the first time talking about it. #archery #3darchery
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[@TimConnor13]

I appreciate ya'll ! Now don't forget to go shoot your bow

[@rogerhook8002]

Visited Spokane Valley Archery on Saturday. Was there when you called. I hope Josh Jones knows that his personnel is his best asset. Very impressed with the guys. They were friendly, professional and interesting.

[@TimConnor13]

Very good squad!

[@mikeftball44]

I tested the Mathew’s first in January as I had planned to buy the bow as everyone was hyping it up how smooth n great it was. I pulled back felt like I was dragging it though sand not hard just gritty. Another guy was testing the Ethos and I noticed how silent it was next to it so I asked to try it. I walked out that day with a bow I never heard of and love it.

[@TimConnor13]

it is actually low key pretty quiet.. I should do some more formal testing

[@CM-pc4xu]

Man, you look so much better with that release. No triple tap dancing around. I love the content. I have a Lift but have had some interesting "dates" with it. When i shoot it good, it's great. But my bad days are a little worse than what im used to as well. I've always really liked the Elite grip a lot. Enjoy it

[@TimConnor13]

very nice grip

[@trckn_151]

You look so much more comfortable shooting that bow than the Bear you've been shooting. You still have a left/right wobble at full draw from the looks of it, but didn't look like you were fighting the bow like it did with the Bear. Same with the button vs index, no triple tap on the trigger, just a nice smooth follow through. Great video, keep trying different things until you find the combo that works best for you.

[@TimConnor13]

thanks G!

[@kevinarmstrong7469]

That video was exactly my experience with the alaskan xt. I wanted to love it and it did shoot good.... just not for me. I never quite felt like I was in a naturally rhythm. I went front a bowtech cp28 short Ata to the alaskan longer Ata which held really well and then to a pse fortis 30 and instantly I knew that was the bow for me. It makes a huge difference when your gear is perfect for you regardless of others thoughts and opinions.

[@TimConnor13]

sometimes ya don't know till ya know right.. have to get some reps to really know

[@jedhuf7548]

I absolutely love my Ethose. So happy to see you giving it some love.

[@kylefrye6265]

Great video! I am stoked to see you rocking the Ethos! It looks like it fits you much better than any of the other bows I’ve seen you shoot. I love my Elite! Keep up the great work.

[@ColoursOfDan02]

Everyone that shoots an Elite that I know all say the grip is expectational. Some had issues with speeds for lower draw lengths and the old let off adjustment used to rattle but they've fixed that on the newer models. There's not a heap of them but the Elite lovers definitely love their stuff.

[@DrewHoffs]

You looked the most comfortable today from what I’ve seen from all of your guys videos. I’m a big fan of all Mfjj, Dan and your guys community out there you have helped me so much! Keep grinding and good luck boys!

[@williamhart8087]

Look forward to see what you can do with the Ethos. Glad you're giving it a chance

[@ryanmoore8001]

Tim, I’ve got the Elite Kairos which is the same bow but optimized for my 27.5” draw length. I’ve shot Mathews in the past and I will say the Elite really is a sleeper. I shoot that bow extremely well and it feels so much better with a short draw length than the Mathews did (the Mathews always seemed to dump hard). In any event, welcome to the Elite club! Excited to see more videos about it

[@danwattsmessick]

Looking really good, Tim. Loved the comment about setting the ego aside on your draw length. More people need to try that. They would probably benefit from it. Killer video, once again. 🤙🏻

[@Kammeg71]

Great decision! I really think the Ethos is underrated this year. It was funny, before you ever mentioned anything in the video, I said in my head “that bow fits him better than any I’ve seen him shoot”. Good luck and happy “dating”!

[@TimConnor13]

lol thanks my dude

[@jeffmckulsky7081]

You look very comfortable shooting this bow, unlike some os the others also you release looks vey smooth and a nice follow through, maybe this is the one.

[@charleszielke2634]

Elite can really decorate a bow. When I look at one, I see a company that takes great pride in their product. It should serve you well!

[@LUMBRZACH]

You should walk us through the tuning process. Did you shim the cams? Adjust the LTR system? I know you mentioned some adjustments with the SET, but it may be useful showing the particulars. Great video. Love the color of that bow too!

[@douglasvaughn9530]

That Elite has 1/4" DL adjustment. I wish all bows had 1/4" DL adjustment. I'm shooting the Elite Kairos which is the same as the Ethos just has a smaller cam. I also have a Lift 33 and prefer the Elite.

[@jasonholmes8421]

I have an Elite Omnia and an Elite Ritual. Both are absolutely amazing to shoot and I am more than satisfied that I made the decision to switch to Elite.

[@TimConnor13]

glad to hear it

[@michaelmangino9819]

Glad to see you at the party . I,love the Ethos . It's one of my favorites this yr. Right there with AplhaX33 and ultra

[@Weighted_arrow]

Love the video. You make great points about choosing a bow. Love these elites lately as well.

[@timlong2291]

I have a couple elites and have noticed tuning to fix a right tear. The cams lean to the right and the bow torques to the right. It makes both bows stabilizers point to the right by an inch at 28 inches during full draw.

[@mountainmancaraway6431]

DL looks great, not cramped or hyperextended. You aren't searching for your anchor. I love all my Elites. Haven't bought one of the SET bows yet but have tuned a bunch of them. Super easy to setup and get right, it's a great platform.

[@david.6040]

Looking good Tim!

[@timmurphy3769]

Welcome to Elite! From the sound of it, your ethos wasn't as terribly put together as my omnia was (I had all the "all to common" elite issues) Great video, great to hear your thought process too Also I reckon the cams are quarter inch adjustable (reckon you said half inch) Enjoy your elite!

[@jamesmontgomery6350]

Love my ethos ... awesome shooting bow.... the set technology was awesome for broadhead tuning.....i did add a couple layers of grip tape to give me a mid wrist grip instead of a low wrist grip,and added a side bar.

[@TonyP-ft1tu]

Just bought the Elite Omnia and am in love with it!

[@brandonmiler801]

Im actually looking at the Ethos or the Karios for my next bow. We will see after I shoot them some. Great video homie!

[@arrowsmithoutfitters3451]

The Ethos is an awesome bow. I have it in the Midnight Copper color. I love the set technology and the draw length and let off adjustability. Lewis Holmes shot a 900 in Vegas with the Ethos. He is also shooting ASA Known Pro class with his Ethos. I am shooting a 383 grain arrow at 280 fps at 55 lbs draw weight, 30.25" draw length for 3D.

[@2Chainz_archery]

The goat is a solid release, I shoot it with my target bow and am definitely considering hunting with it because it just has such a good build with the classic tru ball quality. Will def be shooting this release for a loooonnnnggg time

[@jasonpierce9452]

I love Elites cam and tune adjustments. I think the grip is the best for me.

[@TimConnor13]

very good adjustments

[@mikebarriga]

That’s a big sacrifice to always be shooting different bows but I see why you do it. Thanks for the content Tim.

[@ks_bowhunter_nc]

Timmy! Love the Ethos and just picked one up. Wondering what quiver you’re mounting on that?

[@codyjones5535]

The best all around bow. 1/4 DL adjustments. Also they have 3 module options to choose from. Performance, 75%, Smooth. These options along with the limb stop capability make the feel you want easy to achieve on the back end!

[@nicfield6895]

What quiver are you throwing on it? Also, I'm excited to see a hunt from you this year. Your mule deer hunt was the best video I saw last year.

[@patrickzawadzki293]

gotta try the limb stops on them instead of cable stops, it feels rock solid

[@ecrank83]

I'm sure someone has also mentioned.. But with elite it's nice you can run smooth mods for 3d and target and swap back to the performance mods for hunting. The smooth mods do make it feel like an easier pull and you only lose 3-5 fps

[@TimConnor13]

That's cool, I do like the feel of the current mods!

[@brianfletcher319]

Pretty sweet bow with some nice speed enjoy what you and mfjj are doing for archery

[@TimConnor13]

appreciate ya!

[@DirtyBirdHunter]

❤ I absolutely love my elite remedy, and now I am buying an elite verdict

[@tommy001996]

I feel like the Prime with the grip centered would benefit you for the level bubble wobble maybe

[@jasonmorgan7429]

Glad to see you giving Elite a try, they make great bows. Don't sleep on Prime either, they are great as well. Also, though I realize an index release is arguably better for hunting, you look much more comfortable with the hand held . Signed Karen from NY

[@michaelroux8660]

I am not any good at archery but I enjoy it. I have a Elite Tempo and a bowtech reckoning gen 2. With the old tempo (34" and 7.25" brace height) I shoot groups half the size as the reckoning gen 2..... I consistently go to the Elite when shooting. The one I have is a very forgiving bow.

[@chasesomethingoutdoors5081]

Elite bows have been a brand that I have been interested in for a long time I just have not made the jump ever. That was my big takeaway when I went and put them in my hand this year is how heavy they were. Draw length looks good as long as it feels good to you I bounced between a 28.5 and 29 myself depending on the bow. I definitely play the field when it comes to bow brands the only one that I have found that I can't really stand is Matthews. That's just because I can't get comfortable with the grip and the riser being so long it just feels weird look for some reason😂. Good luck Tim I just shot my first 3D weekend of the year I've got Michigan TAC in a couple weeks, Thursday night 3D League starts the day before TAC, and then I'm going to do the new TAC in the UP in August, with some 3D shoots sprinkled in the middle let the fun begin!!!

[@zaynemikita6897]

Love my elite omnia man. I really think they are under rated bows. Lots of great features.

[@lbtn1]

Did you ever shoot the Bowtech in the comfort mod? I think the Cores are meant to shoot better on the comfort side of the mods, they were possible designed to perform better that way, the performance seem to be an extra feature.

[@TimConnor13]

Yessir I did

[@floydbeard5073]

I've always used Bowtech and this year I purchased a Elite Envision and it's become my favorite.

[@rufusblair7623]

Nice video Tim

[@travisressler1400]

I would love a video about grains per pound and how it affects the bow and recommendations on the lowest grains per pound

[@shelbyraines234]

Great content and great bow for a new mid priced sleeper Alaskan xt God bless

[@SheepdogConservation]

You dawg haha.. "love at first sight" I could see it in your eyes in the first video! 😂

[@zaynemikita6897]

You can get the smooth mods for that bow and itll pull way nicer!

[@rwhite7361]

Nice rig, I’m shooting an Omnia and don’t see myself coming off Elite anytime soon! Since you’re not running a dovetail rest maybe you can jump into torque tuning

[@blackbeard0323]

I currently shoot the SR350 and am fully a Bowtech guy when it comes to shooting style. However, i also owned Elite Kure and absolutely loved it, but it was like your relationship with Bowtech.

[@derekschuett1486]

I finally upgraded to a new bow after 18 years, and I went with the Ethos. That bow is legit, man. Can’t wait to test it out at TAC Crystal Mtn!

[@timgruver5932]

Seriously man, that bow was made just for you! Your profile and form look damn great. Shots are breaking so clean and crisp. Looks way better than the Bear which I thot was great for you too. Shoot this Ethos a while see where it leads you. An unknown shoot challenge is a great test . Gotta find a range somewhere you don’t know. 👍👍🏹👀👀👀👀

[@olehemlock]

Just an observation. The string angle on the Elite looks awesome. It would be curious to see it compared to what you have been shooting.

[@huntersarchery]

When you did your bow review this year. I definitely thought you were going to choose this bow for first place

[@Makoshark253]

DL looks much better, release side elbows in the right spot inline with end of the arrow, forearms parallel. Holding side your arm doesn’t look overextend anymore. Think you got it nailed. One thing though, your is arrow still sitting a bit low. This seems normal for you, and isn’t a problem if it works for you. Moving your anchor up might reopen a can of worms with overall draw length though.

[@chetmanley2883]

Loving my ethos so far, it’s my first elite. I shot them all and the ethos is sneaky good. It doesn’t get the attention like the other big flagships because it doesn’t have integrated accessories or some crazy technology.

[@jakebianga4213]

I think some unknown distance videos would be really cool.

[@TimConnor13]

right on!

[@andrewsparks4726]

I ran the ss34 from bowtech last. Most shootable bow ive ever had personally. Id love to add a Ethos to my regimenf

[@kip.k]

Choosing a bow is difficult. I shot potential bows for well over an hour. Going back and forth like MFJJ suggests. I fell like there was something to like about pretty much every one I shot. There's no real good way to truly build a bow out and shoot them 'for real' unless you own or work at a shop.

[@jasonowens8872]

Great video Tim. Did u not like the VTM34? I’m curious why u left it.

[@barbellsandbowhunting]

Draw looks good! Love the content and always have. How good is unknown? I just did the state finals in Victoria Australia unknown and it was a fun time

[@TimConnor13]

It’s been really fun

[@wrsayraw8472]

Haven't shot the '24 Elites. In the recent past ('19-'22) I've found the Elites to be smooth, but stiff. A 50# Elite feels like a 60#+ Bowtech or the current Prime bows (for me). These shoulders want ease of draw, not just smooth draw. I wish the Elites were easier...great bows!

[@chrississon2646]

Have an enkore n a terrain , great bows

[@robertirving7764]

I really like my Elite Enkore. I would love to see a comparison with the Ethos.

[@poni302]

My only critique is i wish you would post more videos lol great content

[@foamslayer]

I noticed you seem to be holding much more steady with that setup. Bow or release? I have shifted to Elite from Mathews, I like everything about Elite bows.

[@chrisfavorin1107]

I asked you about the Core SS in one of your videos from a few months ago, Now I have my answer!

[@chrisfavorin1107]

Was it the 31.5 ATA that was the issue?

[@Eightball2516]

The archery shops by me get mad when I want to test shoot 6 bows they say they don’t have the time to set them all up

[@chrississon2646]

😜

[@Zara.19166]

Yeah boy!! He's found the cream!! Elite baby!!! Put the limb stops on its a DREAM!!

[@anthonyc4033]

The elite ethos is fast because it has the cam from the omnia. They just added more brace height to make it way more forgiving.

[@jonesboyshunting8673]

Got a question Tim, do those dca vanes make contact with the rest? I have the envision with that same rest and I was shooting some X vanes and I started to notice a color mark on the rest from the vane contact. Had anybody else had this problem? Bow is tuned and rest cord is tight. Great job keep up the great work

[@TimConnor13]

I could seee that being a problem with the full size vanes. I run minis and bet ya I don’t have that much clearance

[@jonesboyshunting8673]

@@TimConnor13 thank you sir. AAE max stealths do not contact. Going to make a new set up for this year. Good luck at the tac events.

[@donnydehart6497]

Quick question are you shooting the mini super sabers? Or they the standard size?

[@TimConnor13]

Mini ✊

[@stephengatley8144]

If you run that front stabilizer without an angle that thing might stand up easily!.

[@scottsellars6708]

Tim. How big of difference is the cheap arrows vs expensive arrows. ? The reason I ask is I shoot an Easton 6.5 Hunter arrows. Which compared to some arrows I see are a pretty decent price point. Now I find I can shoot groups at 80 yards pretty decent. If I moved to a 3 times the price arrows will my groups shrink 3x ?

[@TimConnor13]

No sir.. as you spend more you get increasingly less gains.. but if on a budget go cheap

[@scottsellars6708]

@@TimConnor13 - I’m not really on a budget per say but I try to spend money on my setup where I get the most amount of bang for the buck. I haven’t seen definitive difference with arrows vs cost spend. Things like a nose button I found for the cost really helps personally. I started adding max helical vanes to the bow Hunter arrows see if I can I make the $50 per pack arrows shoot closer to the $150 per pack arrows. Keep up the great videos Tim.

[@waynehumphrey8910]

I like longer bows I have an elite remedy and an HOYT RX7 ultra I try not to switch my gear that often hurt my shoulder wasn’t able to draw the RX7 for about 5 weeks I was shooting the remedy for that time the elite definitely draws smoother

[@garrettstickley8529]

You're draw length looks great!

[@TimConnor13]

thanks dude!

[@Makka316]

Yes draw length looks great and the hold looks much more stable than the Bear or the Bowtech. As others have mentioned, draw lengths on the Elites are adjustable in 1/4" increments so you have lots of fine grained control to play around with. I've found that I can use the let off adjustment to tweak my setup for different events without changing the speed. On courses with steeper shoots I drop the let off a fraction to shorten up the draw about an 1/8". The extra holding weight and shorter draw makes it easier to hold on those steep shots but the speed remains the same. I can then switch it back for flatter courses or indoor sessions where a fractionally longer draw feels more comfortable.

[@ecrank83]

Love the ethos, so much adjustment, very smooth like my ss34 (ss34 is def an easier pull), but 16 fps faster through my chrono

[@ecrank83]

Also I know the quivalizer seems gimmicky.. But I find it works well on the ethos, and keeps your overall weight very low

[@nhdavis]

Would you be willing to try a Prime? I've always heard they are the sleeper brand for bows.

[@BBDragon66]

I enjoyed the video. I'm still shooting my old Hoyt Nitrum Turbo. I have not felt the need to "upgrade" yet. I have not tried out any of the latest crop of bows, but I have not been shooting as much as I would like to. Just being lazy.

[@RodneyRegalbuto]

I have a Nitrum turbo as well. From a performance stand point, it shoots faster than any of the new bows on the market testing it with my garmin. At 70lbs, 28inches with a 451gr rip Tko its spitting them out at 288 fps. The only real reason to upgrade IMO is the draw cycle and let off. That Nitrum turbo draw cycle and 75% let off isn’t for everyone lol but it’s an awesome bow!

[@BBDragon66]

@@RodneyRegalbuto I have the #3 Cams and to me the draw cycle is pretty good @29" vs my Nitrum 34 with the #2 cams. Surprisingly the 34 seems to want to jump out of the valley more than the Turbo. I also have some fletching contact issues with the 34 at the cables when I try to get the bullet hole tune out of moving the rest. The Turbo is the fastest bow I have had and I always seemed to like the faster bows and would shoot 80-90 lbs to get more speed in my younger days.

[@tsi-rocket4144]

Elite may not have all the fancy attachment options but their bows shine when shooting them. If we compare elite to any other manufacturer the let off/valley is the best, the speed is top notch, and the draw is great for the speed you get and 1/4" draw adjustments are big deal for some of us. As a hunter I really appreciate the legit 90% letoff when I'm in a stand or I can change it down to 70% if I want to. I know a couple ppl that switched to elite this past year and love them so I'm not the only one that see's elite being a contender these days. As far as mfjj saying SET is too complicated I can say not only did my elite tune perfect with bare shafts without SET I have had zero issues with SET moving after 4500+shots so saying SET is unreliable I'd debate. I live in Northern Ohio and hunted with my elite September-December 5-6 times per week and my SET never moved so the bow has been tested.

[@wadebailey5947]

Atta boy Timmy!

[@TD3_Archery]

I have the elite kairos and I enjoy it more then the ethos since it has the smaller cams. Elite makes awesome bows and the price points are even better

[@keephammeringprospecting]

The Ethos is just you Tim, thats the most relaxed, comfortable and confident ive seen you shoot 👌 Happy flirting Great ep

[@Shootinstraightarchery96]

Draw length looks so much better. I’ve always felt you seemed to be a little too extended and this looks night and day better

[@Steady505]

Just bought “The GOAT” having a problem where the head is getting stuck where it pivots have you felt this

[@TimConnor13]

no sir, but they have so many adjustments, worth looking into for sure

[@MrRourk]

Elite has a very nice product line

[@brpnw4r94]

You headed to the NWMC @ Stevens Pass in July?

[@Rikcey]

5:20 1/4" increments actually.

[@bradforner2939]

I seen this coming lol 😂 ive got a phase 29 and im looking to switch to an elite kairos sometime this year tunability wins it for the elite!!

[@ezepilot160]

I really like your videos.

[@TimConnor13]

thank you my friend!

[@tonyviers-de9qi]

Did you try the core se in comfort??

[@TimConnor13]

yessir

[@brentbandy3566]

I shot this bow next to the Alpha x33 and the LIFT. I was surprised at how well the elite felt and held. I was totally thinking that I’d go LIFT, Alpha, Ethos and man, was I wrong 🤪 The Hoyt AlphaX 33 won with the ethos being second and the LIFT in a distant third. I wanted to shoot the ethos with the smooth module but they didn’t have one available. I’m guessing if I had, it would’ve been a tie between elite and Mathews.

[@Muskiehunter92]

Elite has been making some fire bows these days. My old man has the verdict and it shoots incredible. So easy to tune as well. I also agree that bowtech has fumbled the ball with some questionable ethics this past year. Its not an issue if they had wanted to drop tim and kyle, had they given them some notice... but to do it end of season with zero warning when all the companies had their contracts locked in was just gross. Not to mention I think Tim Gillingham helped a fair bit in developing the reckoning. The engineers at bowtech deserve praise for their designs and its a shame their work is being overshadowed by slimy execs. At the end of the day, there are a bunch of other bows out there that are phenomenal right now. PSE and Elite have my eye more than others. Mathews is always right there, but I am honestly not crazy about the 8 limb design. I just prefer to have 4 solid limbs... I still may end up with one, but thats just my gripe anyways. Keep us posted on the Elite. I really like the kairos since I have a 28" DL. I believe it is just the ethos but in a shorter draw isnt it? I am liking the idea of 33" ATA coming from shooting target, and the short ATA bows just dont feel that good to me anymore.

[@PaulieB_TDO]

Draw length definitely looks better. You elbow used to look a bit hyper extended.

[@TimConnor13]

that's more of an old habit that sneaks back on me, appreciate it

[@codyboozer9737]

Did you have a hard time getting those fletching to stay on I sure can't keep them on

[@TimConnor13]

Not at all but Brandon McDonald said he had that problem. They’ve been great. I just primer pen and super glue

[@madmaxxcrosby]

My elite ritual 35 has been the shit for years … granted i don’t use it as much as my Darton consequence now.. but still elite makes amazing stuff

[@davefisher5196]

Must be new to bowhunting as just finding out about the benefits of higher brace height. Best accurate bow I had was one with a 8 inch brace height. One now is 6.75

[@corykennedy8861]

It looks like yourpeep is tied in but no ties above and below the peep. Is that the case ans if so how come?