Time Dilation Theory - Zeta Halos Secret | Lore and Theory

In this episode: we get back to the roots of Lore and Theory and speculate on the deep secrets of Zeta Halo.
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[@MishraArtificer]

Anyone else remember that line from The Pilot at the end of the game, where he mentioned you being off grid for a LOT longer than the end fight against The Harbinger actually took?

[@MCJohn-117]

Even the Weapon stated they've been gone for 3 days.

[@knightofarnor2552]

If this is true, the game being called Halo "Infinite" takes on a whole other meaning.

[@moppypuppy781]

Halo "Minimum"

[@WolfeSaber9933]

If that's the case, Halo Infinite could still be happening during any events to the rumored next Halo game, even if Chief is in both.

[@knightofarnor2552]

@@WolfeSaber9933 Woah!

[@tylerjohnson4709]

The fact that 343 had nothing planned in terms of dlc and that Microsoft fired pretty much the entire campaign team is literally insane to me.

[@TCRP117]

Control over time dilation is certainly something the Forerunner have exhibited ability in, two other examples that spring to mind are the method of execution used to kill The Primoridal and the effect of the Menachite Forerunner crystal that allowed the events of First Strike to take place. There are certainly deeper secrets to Zeta Halo to be discovered, even beyond its status as one of the original 10. The weapon makes certain intimations regarding its age, purpose, origins and the cyclic nature of the events having taken/taking place on Zeta, during the artifact site discovery side quest of the main campaign. If time moves differently on Zeta Halo could the date presented in that epilogue not only reflect the time in which the conversation is taking place but perhaps also be indicative that on Zeta Halo the firing of the array was only decades ago as a consequnce of local dilation? Or if this effect was at once controlled has Cortana's shattering of the ring resulted in different sections experiencing different rates of the passage of time? Are some of them now time capsules of moments of the ring's past? The Xalanyn being 'The Endless', unbeholden to the restraints of temporality, is no accident. The Forerunner could understand, could control, that fourth dimension but were ultimately subject to its inevitability, the Xalanyn could ignore it. One more mockery of the Forerunner's self-perception of superiority? Worthy of subjugation? I am left to wonder how they could have avoided The Librarian and her Life Worker's cataloguing of life in the Milky Way in order for their survival to have been a surprise to the ancilla post array activation? Had they been there all along and were missed? Did they develop rapidly after, potentially enhanced by the lack of time's effect on them? Did they represent a threat to The Forerunner's vision of a reseeded galaxy because they could/would out-compete every other organism being asked to start once again from scratch? Was it just that they were a moral threat, witnesses to the reality of The Forerunner's hubris and failure and enactment of unconscionable genocide and their testament couldn't be allowed to persist? Was the possibility of some Flood remnant making contact with a non-temporally locked organism too catastrophic a prospect to countenance? Were they too similar to The Precursors as they had once been, and the suspicion was they were another attempt by that species to grow once more, and that could not be tolerated? I can't help but see echoes of this option in the Halo 3 Terminal entry in which it is intimated that not long before the firing of the arrays The Librarian stumbled upon a backwater world on which lived a species that for all intents and purposes was Forerunner. A beautiful, terrifying discovery that this species of primates hinted at some common ancestry, some past forgotten to the Forerunner, or the hand of a creator having placed this creation anew on a blank canvas. One the Forerunner were about to annihilate as a consequence of their hubirs and failures, and her subsequent desperate attempts to catalogue this species, this chance for her people to perhaps one day Reclaim their legacy free from the sins that both wrought and ultimately destoryed it. Obviously 343's direction for the human/forerunner relationship went in a different direction. This ring was the plaything of The Primordial and Mendicant Bias for decades, I think it unlikely that information a UNSC smart AI can ferret out, or a resourceful Jiralhanae warlord, would not have been uncovered by that pair. If so what did they do with that information? How far did they get in unlocking those secrets. There's a lot of this aspect of the lore that I have chafed against over the years. Much of Greg Bear's trilogy and the 343 era's elucidation on the ancient past has vexed me. Too much redundent plotting. Too much space magic. Too much uncritically evaluated 'History Channel Ancient Aliens Chariots of the Gods TM' in a previously military science fiction universe. I'd made my peace with it and in Halo Infinite I saw what I suspect Joe Staten (based on his narrative and character writing proclivities) was taking from that potential and where it looked like they were intending to go with it, and I was excited for the first time in many, many years for the Halo story beyond the confines of the novels. It is speculation such as present in this video, and others of yours like it, that had me engaged. I will be sorely disappointed if we never receive continuation and/or resolution to these plot threads. Keep up the stellar work you do!

[@synthwavespartan2808]

I'm really disappointed how 343 left us hanging. And only gave us a diet salad lore wise.

[@Ericrawnsley]

I really thought they were gonna release a dlc shortly after or better yet just updated campaign with part 2. Like surprise we are a good company that cares about our fan base! I'm sorry to say that never did happen 😢

[@Installation00]

Agreed. Fucking hate that new lore is likely years away if you don't include books.

[@rezboifrybread]

@@Installation00 I wish Infinite was a Reach style story where instead of Chief vs Atriox at the beginning we get the opening of Rubicon Protocol. That book was awesome and I think would’ve been a much better game. Halo Infinite that takes place right after the ambush then Halo 6 would be the current Halo Infinite. There would’ve been actual immediate stakes, larger battles like we could’ve had the Tip of the Spear cutscene from Reach but we actually fight in the large battle. We would’ve seen the events unfold instead of getting every detail from audio logs. The battle of Mortal Reverie would’ve been an awesome mission, a bloodbath for the UNSC where we’re outnumbered and we and the other Spartans have to cover the retreat of the Marines.

[@Kspat2]

“Halo infinite is a live service game” 😅

[@Zach476]

@@Kspat2 i think that was more true before they decided that the next halo game is using unreal engine 5

[@akudapapua]

@Installation00 the time dilation. If Offensive Bias could control what you were talking about, he could win any battle. Lock a battle in a time dilation stasis. Fight and reset until you get it. I've always wondered about the Offensive vs Mendicant battle because he seemed to fight it and know exactly what Mendicant was going to do in the books. Maybe he was built with a type of Temporal circuitry that allowed him to see possibilities or something.

[@MattB117]

Maybe Cortana suspected Atriox may go back in time when she asked "how would you live your life differently?" and he said "I would change nothing." Maybe she is backwards planning for whatever moves he would make in order to protect chief/humanity knowing he wouldn't act differently? just a thought

[@bable6314]

This. This makes sense. The question she asked really doesn't make sense otherwise.

[@S0L12D3]

@@bable6314 true, I wondered the entire game why she was asking him that?

[@amdkillaplays]

Zeta Halo was sent via slipspace to its current location by the Didact, "shrouded in perpetual cloud" as a memorial to the millions that had died. It also housed the Primordial before it was released by the test firing of Zeta Halo by Faber. So maybe there is a connection between The Endless and the Precursors after all

[@Ken-zc5ow]

Is that in the forerunner trilogy?

[@IRLJojo]

Glad you could explain the events from HW2 through Infinite because that timeline is so damn confusing.

[@samuelmatthews3512]

If time travel is intact possible within the Halo universe, Samuel 034 has to make an appearance at some point. Imagine Chief being able to save his friend, bringing him to the present, and whooping ass in outer space. I guess I can dream. Fantastic theories as always.

[@blitzkrieg2142k]

Time travel has happened before in the Halo universe... if you count a old 360 fighting game using it to explain why a spartan is included in the game.

[@BlackTemplers]

@@blitzkrieg2142k It also happened in Halo: First Strike book Chief and the other survivors were surprised that not much time had past on Reach after they destroyed the first Halo, before eventually finding some strange Forerunner Crystal in the ruins below Castle Base which had also been able to affect time when they went into Slipspace with it on their ship

[@bable6314]

@@blitzkrieg2142k Additionally, I Love Bees is strongly rooted in time travel.

[@holyroller56]

Well 3 days have passed while Chief and the Weapon were in the Silent Auditorium. So there's definitely an element of time dilation occuring. But how much does this extend beyond the Auditorium, the Cylixes or even to Halo 07? Idk but you're definitely on to something!

[@LuoSon312_G8]

it's said an individual on a geust for revenge is dangerous when they've got nothing else to lose. but this here presents another quandary, an individual is most dangerous when they've got everything to lose, but they've got all the time in existence to enact their revenge.

[@Awrethien]

I could see this as a more insidious tomb/prison trap. In a normal tomb/prison even the most elaborate locks and traps will eventually get broken and explored. But with this you subvert that to be the lock itself. The closer you get to finding the inner secrets, the more you are subject to time loops, parallel timelines, and dilation. I could see a trap where the closer you get to the inner secrete the more time dilation effects you. Slow time down enough and you will basically could have infinity to lock something away or hide something.

[@KurtT-051]

Perfect, I've been itching for another lore and theory video

[@maskedspartan7397]

Omg a Halo lore video. None of the youtubers have been doing these anymore ToT

[@fishclaspers361]

So long as it gives us a level like that one in Titanfall 2 then I am all for it.

[@halolover6893]

YES

[@king_dot]

That would be amazing

[@gjtrue]

What happened in that game? 🤔

[@halolover6893]

@G Truesdale I believe if you look up, "Effect and cause" you'll see what we're talking about. It's a really clever way to introduce time travel like mechanics directly into gameplay. Very well done.

[@yeet-qi7ys]

if true, this theory could be a way to send chief into the future. meaning 343 could change everything without having to retcon or change anything that already exists, and allows space for new stories both during the new time, AND the time that chief would have missed

[@tristanbackup2536]

I just don't want the multiverse crap, keep it to one timeline, don't confuse the hell outta of it more if they want to go that route.

[@yeet-qi7ys]

@@tristanbackup2536 i didn’t say multiverse boss, or anything like that tbh lol. just a time jump forward by a few years. might wanna reread what i wrote

[@TK199999]

It could be that Zeta Halo can create causality loops or mobius loops. Basically bottling a specific set of events and replaying them over and over again. The idea about deep experimentation with temporal technology would also go into the 'Thousands of failed Plans to stop the Flood'. Meaning Forerunners realized they could not actually travel back in time, only create causality loops in specific places (like Zeta Halo) under specific conditions.

[@cruznix4741]

I feel pretty confident that if there was any aspect involving time it would probably have to do with slowing entropy to a near halt. Or viewing past events through those bizarre semi interactive holograms

[@grigorione7824]

I like both outcomes of each of the ' Butterfly effect '. The time travel stuff and the one about a butterfly flapping its wing and sometime later , somewhere else a storm is created because of that.

[@nihilityjoey]

I really disagree here. I think that cut scene is atriox releasing the harbinger before the unsc arrive, and the forerunners words spoken over that sequence has been added to give context to the relevance of him releasing them. If there is time dilation involved it has to do with the ring artifacts. But who knows.

[@christianmarkham2891]

Atriox did not release The Harbinger before the UNSC arrived. Escherum released her at Outpost Tremonious. We actually hear it during an audiolog. Plus, the cylix we see during the campaign see looks different. The cutscene would appear to be post-campaign and be the release of the rest of The Endless.

[@geekofnature2973]

If the xalanyn can control time, that might be how the harbinger teleports.

[@mortman200]

what if Zeta Halo itself jumped back in time when Cortana blew a hole in it?

[@Kevin-ox3db]

The harbinger was communicating with someone at the end of the campaign, and the weapon said the signal was really old... maybe Atriox was in the past and was in contact with the harbinger, and she gave Atriox the device he had on his hand...

[@kevinflowers6808]

Am I the only one that would like to see a video about the covenant’s military organization not just their ranks but how many troops certain ranks lead and the composition of these units

[@jimmmmus]

Has anyone considered that the Endless may be direct creations of The Primordial, or even the Gravemind at the height of its power? That revelation that an Eldritch Precursor God crafted a species specifically to survive Halo would scare the shit out of me were I the Grand Edict, and if they were entwined with neural physics and nearly impossible to destroy/kept resurrecting they should and would absolutely be imprisoned simply for existing. I could see the story making sense and being seriously cool. A species created by the flood might indeed be worse than the flood.

[@JGooden762]

I thought it was already established that the Forunners had the ability to control time locally. Like when they executed the Primordial by accelerating time within his cell until he turned to dust...

[@ericdehner300]

Love these Lore and Theory videos. Especially when you dive into the mysteries of the past with the Ancient Humans, Forerunner, Flood, and Precursors. For a Most Detailed Breakdown video, is it possible to do a Most Detailed Breakdown of the Ark and maybe even the whole array?

[@orchard1990]

This is the sort of theory and lore that I love about Halo and the Forerunners, and i feel like Infinite had so much more potential with this but really didnt itch the scratch for long. So thank you for posing these amazing ideas, they really keep me interested

[@superchad4044]

I really think that Atriox is augmented, I remember hearing about a spartan punching a brute's skull through and Chief gave Atriox a punch harder than my sandwich bread

[@stephencarter6362]

This is a fantastic idea!! Thank you for sharing. The BIG question that comes up though, is are the halo game writers talented enough to create this theory and incorporate it in a game that was on the weaker side. I think the best idea is to have 343 work with you on this stuff!! Can you help them for the next games to make Halo halo again???

[@agentmaryland1239]

Oh dear god, what if this entire live service game becomes a time traveling disaster? (And I don't mean that the game would be bad, but that we end up getting expansions that take us through time and it causes so many issues down the road)

[@halolover6893]

I like it as a completely isolated event that wouldn't allow for that exact thing to happen lol

[@bentuovila5296]

Time travel shenanigans would explain how the infinity lost all plot armor in the opening cut scenes.

[@gjtrue]

Installation-07 acting as some sort of time paradox/anchor is very interesting. Yet another way of showing us that these Halo rings are far more dangerous than many of us, real life and in-universe, gives them credit for. . .

[@JrmhPrz11]

To: 00 From: Me Dear 00, from here on out. You are a thoroughbred, genuinely immaculate mate and a chad. Keep up the great work!! I’ve missed the speculation. May you unlock the secrets of Zeta Halo. We all support you! Cheers!!! 🍻

[@_Wizzo]

If only Halo Infinite wasn't sucked into the multiplayer live service trend and 343i actually placed focus on expanding the story of the campaign through PVE missions... Or, even an updated Zeta Halo map each season, with new mysteries, character missions and more. IMO, multiplayer should be a completely separate entity like it is within Destiny 2. The story of Halo and it's existing lore is more than enough to souly focus a live service around. The fact the community know this is the way forward and 343i doesn't is worrying in of itself. Great video as always mate, love your intro! The song hits me hard everytime I hear it!

[@PhilipMcCrotch]

Wake up babe. New mind blowing perspective changing installation 00 halo theory

[@bonestonedgaming7558]

Great content as always, so glad I found this channel a year ago🖤💯🔥

[@icespike7399]

Hmm. I think the idea of time Control on Zeta Halo is plausible with the Infos we have. Maybe,Just Maybe,time was used to Trap the Xalanyn?Just a thought that Just crossed my head. Anyway,i really enjoyed your Video!

[@FlameDarkfire]

8:45 the Forerunner crystal recovered at CASTLE base in First Strike also likely manipulated time as John-117 and the survivors of Installation 04 arrived a month earlier than they should have to be able to pick up Red Team and Halsey.

[@epicdude3659]

actually, that little cutscene at the end with Atriox plays no matter the difficulty, its just that the legendary ending adds that conversation between Despondent Pyre and the Grand Edict

[@November.Black.Productions]

So much they could expand on

[@stangundam01]

this would be cool if it time travel & reversing time in an area happens in universe would open so many possible stories including meeting ancient humans & forerunners

[@furykillerBZ]

Love this deep lore content

[@samtheweebo]

maybe, but doesn't matter now. 343 has been doing almost lore wipes for every game they have made. Now they are going to have other companies make small halo games. Whatever lore ideas were being worked on here, they are likely gone now.

[@friendsmasher]

not gonna lie your a great KZbinr that does some really good content on one of my favorite video games series of all time. but the recent state of halo especially the uncertainty of if the campaign is gonna return soon and be as big of a focus as it was before the staff cuts and follow down same story they originally had intended has made its really hard to get exited about and enjoy content for a campaign i don't even have hope of it continuing anytime withing the next 2-4 years. anything to do with halo as it just serves as a reminder of the slow and painful death of the once king of Xbox gaming and enhances my disappointment with the state it has been allowed to be in. but that being said you make great content and are one of the rapidly declining reasons i still return to the franchise.

[@jacobkemp1183]

I've found my way over too Paetron, soon and Support 😊. Just had to upgrade fishing gear this week. Next week ❤👍

[@nelsonmatamoros7084]

I'd love to see a video explaining what Credits are in the halo universe I have seen many lore video about them we just know they are used as currency

[@MrGanjie]

I'll never forget how hollow I felt about the information this game gave. It keep seeming like it'd have stuff littered everywhere or have a big revelation....but nope. Nothing.

[@scottdodge6979]

I kept getting the feeling they had something great storywise laid out but never invested the time in it or for whatever reason couldn't execute it.

[@halolover6893]

So I have a question. What was the poem like talking about that Cortonas data packs were eluding towards the end of the campaign?

[@matthewgarza2564]

Dope concept

[@Drew_Thompson]

So can i give me and my team Entrenched armor and weapon skins in the single player? cause what you're describing sounds like yes.

[@jaredcorsby-fillmore9807]

yall think that everything will reset right before chiefs loss to atriox and we will finally get to play that, leading to the infinity not falling and gameplay like how the boarding first missions of the first two games were. It would "Complete the loop"

[@jaredcorsby-fillmore9807]

also will this theory lead into the leaked new equipment coming to season 4? it literally teleports you to a place you were previously.

[@dividedwestand1613]

You left out an important bit of dialogue that further proves this theory. After you beat the harbinger and she is talking to someone (presumably atriox) saying I hope you have what you need and I'm sorry it took so long. Chief asks the weapon who the harbinger is talking too, she replied I don't know but the signal is old...like really old...what else could that mean besides she's talking to someone in the distant past? Maybe it's an old signal as in using old tech or frequency but I don't think so...love your videos

[@williamnunley3493]

I disagree with the comment about Master chief being beat the snot out of. He put up a good fight and if not for the plot atriox would have died from them uppercut chief delivered.

[@originalpastaman5470]

Lmao the only thing I remember from Infinite was getting my ass beat by a monkey man and then getting thrown into space.

[@Asthmaniac94]

Well the Forerunners did have access to the stasis where they contained the Primordial and manipulated time to essentially age it and let it die. So this is a solid theory. Maybe the Forerunners feared others having this ability and truly wanted to be the most powerful race in the Universe

[@chandlerbasso2909]

my honest take is we will be lucky to see any continuation of this story any time soon

[@LashingMrX01]

@installation00 video idea maybe, what would the file size be for a single human being stored in one of those Cylix's if Humanity today tried to with current storage techniques? is their a theoretical data to physical matter translation equation. theirs an Nation Science Foundation post called "How to Teleport Quantum Information from One Atom to Another" that talks about transferring the state of an atom "across a significant distance" and they could just mean quantum positioning but might be a topic you could do a video about? lots of math and if your not into it i dont blame you XD but could be cool to see worked out. you could give it a go with the other species as well of course once you have a way of calculating it.

[@fortressring]

So under this logic the inner loop could be reset with new factors added, such as additional factions and enemy types with the inner cycle then being repeated?

[@Apexassassin141]

Wouldn't put it past the forerunners having some form of slip space based time travel

[@TheMysticalTank]

Man, I miss when Halo was shooting the bad alien guys and then screaming as you deal with space zombies from out of the blue. I feel as if Halo has too much lore to handle. I like the books, don’t get me wrong, but a majority of the lore feels like it’s stretched between each game.

[@Digital2pulse]

If time travel is indeed canon, then Nicole-458 is for sure still canon, or is she still technically canon?

[@GloatingRick]

I love bees is an instance of time travel. Its an arg. But to say time travel in halo hasnt existed isnt true

[@epichalocat2887]

Good theory! But I hope you’re wrong. I think giving 343i the ability to use time travel in lore could only end in disastrous retcons.

[@maraudershields283]

This is my worry. Backwards TT is a door best left closed in my opinion. Travelling forwards via time dilation is fun tool to play with narratively, but the moment you can affect the past, you have to start writing around how you just can’t fix everything, and the narrative would suffer more.

[@Thrawn215]

Love your vids mate. Just, temporal mechanics make my head hurt......

[@zacharyhowell3962]

I mean, once time goes out the window in a story, countless possibilities come into play. *IF* Atriox has the knowledge capable of manipulating strings of events (honestly if he can time travel I don't see why he couldn't just blink from one time period to another to see the effect his actions cause and then go back to change things that didn't work in the present or furure) But he could severely influence the formation of the Covenant for starters by planting proof of their lack of divinity. He could leak to humanity their actual place in the galaxy as reclaimers and gain power for the Jiralhanae (he'd probably just take it though) Or maybe he releases the endless like the cutscene suggests, and we have an entirely new history to start over with. Hell, maybe Halo ends up taking more from Titanfall besides the watered-down grapple hook, and we get time travel Master Chief. Or unpopular opinion Atriox causes the silver timeline, and the show is actually big canon and we were all wrong.

[@michaelsulzberger3441]

Another undeserved W for the Banished...great🤮

[@Chiwalker]

I personally don't want it to be any of that. I think it just kinda cheapens Halo if time travel or time dilation in that manner comes into play. It unnecessarily bloats the premise and story of Halo. Since 343 didn't have the guts to completely reboot the franchise, the Created and Prometheans are still cannon and can't just be tossed aside. The Prometheans and Created already added a ton to the lore and story of Halo, and so adding Time Travel/Time manipulation just muddles everything. Remember how COD just kept adding things and making their franchise so bloated that they had to do a hard reset/even retconned Modern Warfare? I don't want that to happen to Halo.

[@gianlucamorelli]

07:30 imma gonna have to stop you right there mate, what do you think you are doing? 343 will never continue this storyline, the next campaign, if there will ever be another one, will probably be something completely unrelated. Halo infinite doesn't have much of a future at the moment, unless something miraculous happen.

[@MisterMilo92]

Please don’t introduce time travel. Because then it’ll just become Marvel. 343 will be like “Remember everybody who died through the franchise, well they’re all back!”

[@heindrick_bazaar4446]

No better way to get your people back than to go back in time and get their clylix's back to the present.... At least that's my idea.

[@darienevans6229]

the question is what does Atroix plan to do with time travel? save his homeworld by destroying humanity.

[@willbrack7069]

Could also explain why Chief managed to survive for 6 months.

[@MCJohn-117]

His armor was in survival mode...

[@kevlarforweeksanddays4086]

Suddenly the title infinite seems kinda suspicious

[@Mandaloran317]

man I feel with the power output that the halo rings capable of I feel like they are ALL possibly capable of being a time machine. maybe if they are used all together in conjunction the could even bring back a planet. Not saying, just saying...

[@Swaggs907]

I wish we would’ve gotten more explanation on how the weapon “locked down” Cortana. Like, at the end of h5 she was basically a god level threat. It just seemed really contrived. Halsey just made a copy of her and trapped her? Seems like she was so powerful 343s writers didn’t know what to do with her.

[@scottdodge6979]

Pretty much. A huge part of UNSC and humanity as a whole is reliant on AI Turning Cortana evil and having her usurp all human assets is essentially game over for the unsc so they had to just write it awat

[@Azeraph]

Someone want to answer why the Harbinger was not kept with her kind?

[@Hunter-rr5ue]

I was never a huge fan of 343 shoehorning the Endless into the story, and even less a fan of time travel stories, mainly because they always result in a clusterfuck, are always full with plotholes and things that don't make sense. However, i'm willing to give "time travel" in Halo a try as long as it is limited to Zeta Halo and doesn't alter any previously established plot points.

[@longfellow4]

Are those discord pings at 0:35 or am I far too gone

[@Brody2362]

God please dont be actual time travel pleeeeeeeease. It almost ALWAYS turns into a writing cluster and it's been done to death.

[@Hunter-rr5ue]

"When a writer resorts to time travel, then they are officially out of ideas."- I don't remember who said this, but i believe it to be right.

[@tTaseric]

@@Hunter-rr5ue It depends on if the writers are writing a story about time travel, or about nostalgia. Most writers only use time travel as an excuse to capitalise on nostalgia. Bringing back old characters and such. Time travel is just the easiest way to facilitate new stories with old characters, like with Avenger's Endgame. If a writer actually writes a story *about* time travel, then it can be really good. Interstellar is a good example of that. 343 clearly love nostalgia-bait as much as any modern corporation, but 343 also jumps on any opportunity to have some weird pseudoscience lore. I think it's too early to tell if 343 is resorting to time travel, or just writing about it, if that makes sense.

[@windingroadelven]

If the forum nerd could do that wouldn’t they of done it with the flood…

[@MrJay_White]

xeelee sequence stuff. take 2 ends of a wormhole, leave one stationary, drag the other around near c for a few months relative, several thousand years pass real frame, take the moved end back to the start, now you have a time machine. build a ring around a singularity near c, have the singularities gravity counter the centrifugal effect, the speed of the ring causes the ring itself to be many times its own size, the combination of speed and gravity from teh singularity doth distort time

[@Halowarzx95]

Shame we'll never find out. Aside from these short stories and books. shame.

[@Jack_Foster]

At the end of the boss fight fighting harbinger she sends a signal that the weapon is unable to trace because it is ancient what if the signal is to atriox in the past

[@Kevin-ox3db]

exactly what i was thinking.

[@idied2]

did the spirit of fire get wiped out? because that's a question i still has

[@AbdulBido]

I think the normal ending cutscene without the conversation doesn't have a date... The survival of atriox shall be the solution to this mystery. However the entire IP is up in the air at this point. Not sure if we'll even get a game or new book this decade.

[@mannys9130]

There is a black hole theory which describes the possibility that those objects are Magnetospheric Eternally Collapsing Objects aka MECOs. MECOs are basically the result of a bunch of matter collapsing in at the speed of light. Matter traveling at the speed of light essentially has its time slowed down practically to a standstill, hence the "eternally" collapsing matter. A person falling into a supermassive black hole's gravity well (one can survive the tidal forces of a SMBH and travel deep into the event horizon unlike with a stellar mass black hole) would be unobservable to us after reaching the event horizon, however they would continue to observe the existence of the universe. As they got closer to the event horizon, external time would speed up from their perspective and they'd see the universe age extremely rapidly before their eyes as they fell into the center of the black hole. If the Primordials or the Forerunners found a way to create a pocket dimension or a localized warp of spacetime such that this same effect was experienced by this halo array, it would be completely within the realm of possibility that local time dilation would "imprison" the occupants of the ring.

[@JackaWilko]

Ye boiiii

[@CAL2ski]

I think alternate universes would be a thing as well with all the fractures and stuff

[@thetower8553]

You mean the same ideas that ruined and cheapened the DC Universe. Halo doesn't need that.

[@Lovey_18]

I’m pretty sure all the campaign endings are the same. The legendary ending is just the one that has the audio recording. I do not remember if there is a date on the normal campaign ending. If it’s present on the legendary ending and not the normal one that would lead me to believe that it’s the audio recording that was on that date.

[@SoaringxDragon]

Constants and variab- Whoops, wrong franchise

[@MonkeMane]

I dont think its zeta halo but the endless themselves.

[@IceSki117]

You might be on to something, but your comment at the end about getting a tool that assists in traversing the time bubbles made me wonder if instead it's the Harbinger that was knocked out of a bubble and can't traverse it herself to free her kind?

[@adamgardner3768]

I have a question… why didn’t the Forerunners build a Cylix for their own race.

[@goatman9499]

I'd just like a timeline with a solid plot and characters. I think the ancient aliens macguffen stuff is getting tired at this point after h5 with the domain and guardians and now a new possible time manipulation faction that rivaled the forerunners. Whatever this is it should include more campaign/story content. Expansion pack. This time stuff has novel exposition vibes, maybe a new series of forerunner books?

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I am so disappointed with Infinite, I had a lot of fun playing it with my sister but once again we have been left with an ending that doesn't feel like an ending by 343. I never really got a good explanation as to why the Infinity was destroyed or how Cortana was destroyed other than the Weapon doing it. I am getting annoyed just thinking about it.

[@womboning4276]

Idk man. In my probs uneducated opinion, this just feels like something Bungie never really intended to be a thing, but 343 is writing it in and it's kind of derailing the story. So hear me out. In Space Battleship Yamato humanity ended up controlling a Time Fault, where time inside moved stupidly slow compared to the time outside. They used it to build an insanely massive fleet, like thousands of full size combat ships, in a few weeks/months to fight the main bad guys. If the Forerunners had a "Time Fault", or the ability to make something close to that, why would they not have used it during the Flood War? Why make all these research bases to study the Flood in real space when you can just pop into a Time Fault and study it for 100 years, but in reality it was only 10 minutes? Or do what they did in SBY and build an entire fleet, or have some of the population live in there to keep their species thriving. If that makes sense. If they had the ability to manipulate time on that level, it undermines half the lore for me, because they probably could've just avoided all their issues by manipulating time to work around every problem them had. If they do try to take the time manipulation thing and run with it I feel like it's just gonna end up being some wonky wannabe Stein's Gate arc. Chief ends up going back to rescue Cortana or undo everything to redo it again but better and we get left with a loop he's finally putting an end to or something cliche. I just want the Flood back I don't need a Back to the Future game.

[@erickcredidiooliveira201]

At this rate we can know if any of this theory is close to be true is from books because I lost Hope for any lore update from 343 or any update for the campaing.

[@vladthedeathless9439]

Wait... if shield worlds were contained in slipspace bubbles, slipspace being the keyword here, then wouldn't any flood traveling through slipspace escape the Halo's firing? Or am I misunderstanding the difference between slipspace travel and the bubbles?