1495 Syphilis Outbreak: The Deadly Disease That Swept Across Europe | The Syphilis Enigma | Timeline

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[@nigelwilson8067]

Continuing I am bothered about these beliefs merchants otherwise religious people what bothers me is that they think they have the right in the name of God Almighty which they do not represent what you’ve got remember is all your major religions is die looted esoteric knowledge has been manipulated to control the people for these people are the leaders of these religious organisation which I might as well speak Christianity Judaism and Muslims all three religions are very very evil religions and they seek to control and power or destroy the opposition as we have seen they have been doing for thousands of years because they think they are the chosen ones and they need to be pushed back in their place putting their stupid little can’t

[@furiscafynn6275]

Is it possible to get the soundtrack for this one? Unusual and great!

[@Donotbebloodsucker]

The ads giving me syphilis

[@isobelldavy3865]

Amaro Miguel Ángel so syphilis came from when Spain invaded and took over part of the americas, syphilis was known and very harmful to some who had never been exposed to it. So in a way yes syphilis did come from America but Europe and Spain had it first. Meaning that Vikings could’ve brought it over but Spain had it first.

[@jamesravenjr]

111

[@TheBarrwen]

The music is like syphilis of the ears

[@Jazzywazz]

Lmfao!!

[@verselove69]

Barry Ross lol

[@annunkitribe8994]

😂😂😂

[@nymsmacgregor7232]

A musical score without using any musical instruments.... They must have recorded it in a subway somewhere, or Bedlam....

[@katka2258]

Perfect! Haha

[@DeniseEggertwaterlily]

This documentary left out a very important fact about the transmission of syphilis. Syphilis wasn't only transmitted through sexual intercourse. One could easily contract syphilis by touching these terrible syphilis sores called chancres. One could have had accidental contact with any of the chancres on a patient with syphilis, who was in the active stages of this disease. We need to remember that disposable exam gloves were not used in direct patient care and with any activity involving bodily fluids, until the early 1980s. This was probably in response to worldwide HIV/ AIDS and Hepatitis B. Reusable surgical gloves which were cleaned and re-sterilized, were used--, then sized, sterile, disposable wrapped surgical gloves came out later.. These were only used on surgical cases, strict aseptic procedures, and in all internal exams. No gloves were used in starting I.V.s, drawing blood, regular patient care, examining patients, cleansing debris, rashes, vesicles, boils, or chancres, and emptying bedpans, urinals, or Foley catheters, before the 1980s.. Antibiotics only came into use in the later part of the 20th century. Penicillin, discovered by Dr. Fleming in St. Mary's Hospital, London in 1928, and was researched at Oxford. Penicillin was first used on injured Allied soldiers with wounds in World War II. Purified Penicillin in large doses was never used on a live civilian patient until 1942 in New Haven Hospital in Connecticut, U.S.A., when Anne Miller's life was saved, using large doses of Penicillin to treat "blood poisoning" from an infection, following a miscarriage. It was a well known fact that huge numbers of nuns and monks who cared for the diseased, the sick, the poor, and those who were afflicted with syphilis, leprosy, and also, the Bubonic Plague, contracted these diseases of those whom they cared for,. and they usually died from these diseases.

[@pfranks75]

This is truly horrid history! Syphilis was a highly contagious disease! There is somewhat of an insidious undertone of this documentary. Many of these men and women gave there lives in the service of Christ! Let’s not forget that fact.

[@careya]

Thank you

[@theodorsebastian4272]

The cure for syphilis called Salvarsan was developed in 1906 though.

[@sandrastevens4418]

To say syphilis is only caught by sexual activity is ignorance. It is ridiculous and pure conjecture. These monks took care of people who had the disease. They want to make the documentary sensational. A bacteria can be spread by contact with the blood of those affected. And since they didn't have the sterile environment we have today. To be infected with syphilis if they flagttulated themselves they would have had open wounds and wearing rough homespun habits their backs would have been itchy and they would scratch themselves a perfect environment for syphilis.

[@Jamac007]

@@sandrastevens4418 We must be open to both ideas, though we would like to think these monks were true, history has shown is that all man can be corrupted even those most devoted to GOD, there is no proof that sexual intercourse did or did not take place, but at the same time syphilis is highly contagious and and can be contacted quite easily. We must keep both ideas open to further evidence.

[@davidcopperfield-notthemag397]

It is shocking in that first skeleton that the person lived so long with Syphilis that those deformaties went into his bone. What a terrible life. So much suffering.

[@wonderties]

those were bullet holes.

[@eowyn-faramir-reads]

Syphilis was so common that you didn't really blink when you were diagnosed. This is also why virginity was so prized in medieval Europe.

[@chriskappler3482]

They also mentioned at the beginning that he was estimated to be between 25 and 30 years old...so he must have gotten the disease sometime in his teens, maybe? What a terrible waste.

[@bunzeebear2973]

Which is why they wore the BIG HOODIE. Remember Death and Ebenezer Scrooge? ZIT-hiding Makeup base was expensive back in the day.

[@nunya2954]

Its' called Latent syphillis

[@EmilyTienne]

Good God, the person whose skeleton had these horrific lesions suffered unimaginable agony. Hundreds of years later, you can’t help but feel pity.

[@cf1731]

Yes ! That’s literally infection eating away at the bone 😢 imagine how horrible their skin must’ve looked and felt. For comparison, image how bad it hurts when we have any type of infection.. can’t imagine what it was like back then w no pain medication

[@vicvega3614]

Does the disease continue to eat the bone after death?

[@EmilyTienne]

@@vicvega3614 That’s a good question.

[@randymillhouse791]

@@vicvega3614 Hopefully.

[@SuperTheTheresa]

@@vicvega3614 no, those changes all happened during his life.

[@briganja]

I asked my grandfather, who was born in 1930, what the biggest difference was in society between his childhood and now. I was expecting him to say something like the internet or smart phones. He didn’t even have to think about it, and his response surprised me: syphilis. He said syphilis was the biggest difference between his youth and now, because he remembered seeing the syphilitic people on the street, with sores on them and behaving erratically because of the way the disease impacts the brain in later stages. Blew my mind because this was not an answer I expected-we have eradicated it so successfully thanks to antibiotics (which weren’t around in his childhood, obvi) that I think the average person can’t really understand how drastically that impacted our societies in the past.

[@conndapierce5869]

And in reports that I've seen is coming back in a huge way infecting a lot of people in the US.

[@rosskardon7195]

Today, we consider medicine of first half of the 20th Century, 19th Century, and further back in time to have been primitive and barbaric, and understandably so. However, in sharp contrast, if the real future is a good future like that of Star Trek and the Seth MacFarlane science fiction show, The Orville, then in the 25th Century, people will consider our early 21st Century medicine to have been primitive and barbaric and also understandably so!

[@katr8756]

Antibiotic resistant syplis, is on the raise. So just a matter of time till it comes back in a big way.

[@wendydavis705]

Zombie apocalypse

[@guitarsoundsaround]

Syphilis is alive and still rampant, our city has been publicly advertising to get the message out to get checked. and treated. Yuck 🤮

[@emilinebelle7811]

I don’t understand the background noises. I’m trying to watch a documentary. Not have nightmares. 😭😭😭

[@emilinebelle7811]

Lynda Anthony my thumbnail?

[@richn9907]

Emiline Bellé think she meant the video’s thumbnail

[@angelagm740]

I know right? Those sounds are morbid 😨😰

[@oraz.]

That music is Fing scary!

[@nancylee6893]

Hahaha I agree!

[@marlenenicolas369]

1- Scientists studied the bones at the burial site of a Greek community in an Italian city, Metapontum, and found indisputable evidence of syphilis. This city was last inhabited in 207. Thus, those bones were buried, at least, 1285 years BEFORE Columbus expedition. 2- Scientists researched bones, ancient texts and Roman medicine of the city of Pompeii, and discovered indisputable evidence of syphilis in the city. Pompeii was destroyed and buried by a volcano on August 24 year 79. Thus those bones were buried, at least 1413 years BEFORE the Columbus expedition. Those information proved that Syphilis was present and rampant in Europe, way before Columbus expedition. If you want to hold,, at all costs, to the unproven theory that The Indian gifted the European with the syphilis disease, you have to first, believe that the Columbus expedition was a 'back to the future' event. For the record, the above findings were stated clearly, in the video. Watch it again.

[@vashtiroyal8900]

Sodomy And Gomorrah/Gonorrhea ⚠️

[@danielt.3152]

I think you are correct. The disease clearly predates Columbus, it seems possible that it mutated to become more severe

[@LathaabsolutelyrightMyna]

Columbus came to India in search of treasure, according to macullay of Britain when he traveled all over India,went back said in parliament that there are more loose women ( prostitution) in single place in London rather than in south India.

[@reuvenknight1575]

1) That is a chipped tooth, you can tell by the crack that runs up the enamel. It is not a Hutchinson's incisor. Please look up what that looks like. Not only that but not ONE mention of mulberry molars. Do any of these kid skeletons have them? Because they aren't mentioned and are a strong sign. The presented literally no evidence for Roman infection. They did not show any texts or documents indicating the disease, and the Romans were pretty damn good at documenting that sort of stuff. Nor did they show any bones. They can't just say they have irrefutable evidence, they should show it. 2) Native Americans were documented in Europe as early as the 1000's since they were kidnapped by Viking explorers, but sources say there is even earlier contact in the Greenland and Iceland areas, so that throws a wrench into any argument over time. 3) They also showed no evidence to their other theory that it existed as a childhood skin disease, which is awkward. Shouldn't there be something more than just a narrator's words for a theory? With nothing, no bones, no DNA, no documents, no stories, no citation, nothing at all, the writer themselves could have come up with that theory. They spent a lot of time presenting evidence that a skeleton was from before 1400 to suddenly just not require anything but words by the end.

[@arnatar2086]

Sry, but SCiEnTist did x is not a sound argument. Especially in this case where the "science" presented in the documentation was presented in an attempt to circumvent peer review (a process this "evidence" does not withstand). And since you will ask for a source: "The Science Behind Pre-Columbian Evidence of Syphilis in Europe: Research by Documentary" It takes exactly this documentary as an example.

[@Magical_Thinking]

The bright flashing light that accompanies the electric shock sound is not only annoying but migraine & seizure inducing . Hopefully it’s not going to occur throughout the entire documentary. The information is truly interesting. I’m a nurse and in 2020 I took care of a patient with neurosyphilis. It’s still plaguing patients in high risk groups.

[@dianetersigni7359]

Which would be the high risk groups?

[@lisalynnn]

The sound editor was told he would be working on a serious historical medical documentary and immediately thought: "weird wolf howl sound mixed with creepy off note string instrumentals and female Celtic chants all crammed together then played over and over again with a few bells and light awkward percussion will be a great match for this subject matter" Maybe he was inspired by Ross from Friends??

[@muppetbaby1000]

😃😊😁

[@iLOVEpalestineNlebanonFOREVER]

It was made in the 90s. This is pretty normal for things from the 90s. Honestly at the time it didn't sound as weird as it does now 😂

[@danielmccallon7033]

Lol yes I was waiting for a dinosaur.

[@lisalynnn]

@@iLOVEpalestineNlebanonFOREVER how far we have come 🤣

[@lisalynnn]

@@danielmccallon7033 😂😂😂

[@mattstevens7601]

Next time don't hire someone with syphilis to compose the soundtrack

[@rabbi120348]

They could have used some of Beethoven's symphonies to the same effect.

[@spottedbutt]

Haha

[@precieusezg5862]

Hahahah

[@davidwelch2791]

Best comment. 😎

[@derp195]

Seriously. I stopped watching around the 12th time they played the audio clip of distorted screaming.

[@saragrant9749]

I’m always amazed at the number of scientists and historians who refuse to believe any information that doesn’t conform to their own personal viewpoint. As lifelong students of these fields we are supposed to be open minded- and yet so many aren’t! That is why history and science often moves at such a slow pace.

[@ifinallyfoundthebeef]

I am so glad that you stated that. A lot of time science may have been disproved yet the so called facts will be used because no one wants to challenge the status quo.

[@SoulSoundMuisc]

It doesn't surprise me in the least. Careers are built on discoveries and ideologies. Archeology is HEAVILY corrupt as an institution. I'm not talking about the average archeologist, especially those out on the dig sites. I'm talking about the institution. New information crops up the puts a previous idea that "Sir/Lady SoAndSo" built their entire legacy on. A combination of monetary incentive, ego, and the hubris of the institution conspire to keep that information muzzled. Just look at how we thought Knights were. Once upon a time, it was believed they were trundling idiots that could barely move in their armor. Despite historical recreations of said armor being worn in modern sporting events (yes, it's a thing, look it up) this idea still persists despite having discovered these warriors were highly, highly elite, mobile, and able to perform minor feats of acrobatics in the armor-- vaulting, springing, somersaults, and active horse mounting. Look at the "Mound Builder" controversy of North America. European skulls were found on that First Nation's site. Rather than stop and think "this doesn't fit, maybe we need to revisit who built these mounds" the dig rights were revoked, cease and desist orders were flying around, and everything was turned over and vaulted. Archeology as an institution often practices the worst kind of science: they begin with an idea and search for facts to substantiate them, rather than following the facts regardless of where they lead.

[@tummytub1161]

This was one of the reasons I stopped my archeology study.

[@JRobbySh]

Sectarianism is not limited to religion. Once one commits to an explanation, one is able to rationalize to support who is after all but belief.

[@LabCat]

Confirmation bias is a helluva drug.

[@Lennymogen]

I was a correctional officer. I watched an inmate go through it all. When his mind began being affected it was quick decline. He began smearing his own feces on the walls of his cell. We transferred him to the isolation unit. I could be talking about his childhood as clear minded as you and me. Then in a moment he would be trying to bite the nurses. After just a few days he died.

[@Heavyisthecrown]

@@BB-xx3dvonce it hits a certain point it cannot be treated. You have to get treatment quickly. It takes yearrrrrs to get to this point so this person probably ignored it for a long time. This is common with most STDs though, this one’s just one of the deadliest 😮 keep your legs CLOSED 😂

[@chameleon28]

@@HeavyisthecrownI agree with not being promiscuous (for BOTH sexes) but pretty much all STDs now days are treatable and it’s incredibly easy to test for the diseases. Just a swab and maybe a blood sample.

[@mairarodriguez1525]

Rip

[@janetdavidson6181]

I can't watch any more music is over the top what a pity 😢

[@gmcmisty]

Man I wish this type of stuff was on the History channel instead of Ice Truckers or some other bull. This is history. Awesome video.

[@gutsfinky]

To be fair the ice road truckers are pretty badass. I could do with less Ancient Aliens, though. That's just weird.

[@Mierla406]

Totally. History channel used to be so cool.

[@Heavyisthecrown]

Can’t distract the masses and convince them to not look around if you teaching them things of value and knowledge. They need mindless drones that think the government is God to do what they do 😮

[@Sabbathissaturday]

@@Heavyisthecrown 100%

[@LucyWynder29er]

​​@@Heavyisthecrown abso-bloody-lutely, my friend, very well said, I couldn't agree more!

[@tterry53]

Very interesting. My Dad was a medic in WWII and he worked in the VD ward. He told me lots of stories about GI's that caught Syphilis and if not treated it was terrible. If caught early Penicillin would cure it. He was scared of it.

[@kdolo100]

Syphilis is not curable even in early stages.

[@maribrunnsteiner9621]

@@kdolo100 it can be cured by correct dosage of antibiotic i.e Penicillin but the damage of the infection lingers if long term Management of those other affected organs aren't followed up from which could attribute to death.

[@BLACKVIKNGS88]

😢😢😢

[@marsjokes]

What If one's allergic to penicillin?

[@TanisHalf-Elven]

@@marsjokes modern medicine has come a long way since the 40s and 50s. Theyve got antibiotics that arent penicillin based now.

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

Apparently the syphilitic skeletons were temporarily reanimated just long enough to compose and perform the music for this documentary before resuming their post-death, decomposition rest....

[@justbg]

hahahaha

[@phoenixdavida8987]

Nice. Lol.

[@angelagm740]

LOL

[@LegacyOfSleeper]

Lmao.

[@steviepigford8485]

Gagahaga 😎 🤗🤩 LMAO

[@daniellebeauty93]

The dinosaur like screeching when they show Syphilis from a microscope view is HILARIOUSLY unexpected. 😂💀

[@elisanoguera6922]

lol 😂

[@RaeCarson]

Seriously WTF is up with the weird-a$$ soundtrack and foley noises!?!?

[@LunaStarlight35]

I was like "why is there a dinosaur scream?"

[@amya3980]

Lol!

[@juanitarichards1074]

The friaries were often the only places the poor could go for hospital care. The friars nursed the sick and the dying, including cases of syphilis, as part of their Christian duty. Syphilis sufferers were outcasts of society, their families didn't want them and wouldn't nurse them up till their deaths. The friaries did, and they gave comfort to the end for these poor souls.

[@ipeeinmysinkimafraidtocome7127]

the question is where they buddy bandits ?

[@juanitarichards1074]

@@ipeeinmysinkimafraidtocome7127 Most were not. They risked their lives to do their Christian duty

[@kevinklingner3098]

This was no public health system only what various orders like the Fransicans ,Augustinian and Benedictine provided. The Knights hospitalers also had hospitals.

[@herbertlong3981]

@@ipeeinmysinkimafraidtocome7127 Likely, you are a buddy bandit. Projection

[@fucku3460]

Especially could you imagine being raped than contract it, than shunned? Terrible.

[@_kostoberina_]

This would be so much more enjoyable to watch without the horrible sound effects. That being said, very interesting content.

[@theunknowngamer5477]

Some musical riffs from Dua Lipa or Devo sure could improve the insightful direction of learning about V.D. history.

[@roberthudson5999]

I thought the same thing. Was it a screaming human or a dinosaur? And their point was?

[@dreamerqueennotunderthemachine]

agree .. horrible sound effects

[@Liciablyth]

@@roberthudson5999 Sounded like a roaring elephant and or wolf? and or a mix. HOrrible sound effects that seriously suited a horror movie, not a documentary.

[@hensonlaura]

Plus sound of electrical shorts plus flashing white lights, wtf?!

[@taniamanzer1945]

Evidence of Syphilis within the friary walls can be explained by: 1 . Their interaction with the poor and sick that they cared for; 2 . Lack of knowledge of how the disease was transmitted from one person to another; 3 . Inadequate sanitation habits: handwashing, basic hygiene and sanitation between treatments of the sick persons that they ministered to; 4 . Portal of entry to infections in the gashes that they open in their skins, when they inflicted their bodies.

[@LS-ei7xk]

Well, that makes sense to me.

[@awesomebearaudiobooks]

Also, they mentioned self-flaggelation in the video and even showed how it could lead to bloody wounds... It is quite certain that the monks didn't wash their hands after treating the sick, so it was obvious that it was very dangerous for a monk to self-flaggelate the same day as working with patients who had syphilis, because it can be easily transmitted when introduced to a fresh wound, where the chance of becoming infected is huge. Ironic that they thought self-flaggelation would somehow save them from the god's wrath, but they didn't know that they were just bringing even more suffering upon themselves, with the possible shame of a monk catching the same disease as a prostitute...

[@autiethoughties6898]

Or they might have picked it up before they were monks.

[@wendyhart134]

4 cannot be true as syphilis was contracted only through sexual intercourse it originates from inside the body and is not passed on by dirty hands or someone sitting on a monks dirty toilet seat or by touching a medieval towel!

[@ShimaSedaghatkerdar]

The fact that human psychology looks for somebody to blame for the matter of sicknesses is truly mind-blowing to me

[@NBportofino]

@catherinewheel4851exactly - the entire world was conned and blamed China when we know the Deep State elites unleashed it upon humanity.

[@Sirdoolan]

It’s not just blame though, it’s the why and how.

[@flickrebeat8936]

​@@Sirdoolanand it's lies don't forget

[@sueprator9314]

And also the whyte European EGO had to blame some dirty populace and how convenient to blame those indigenious of darker skin!!!

[@johntchb]

Its an ism

[@averymartin1327]

This music killed half of Europe not the plague.

[@FKJBSDK]

Avery Martin aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh~~~😂

[@bluestarinn]

Well some say the living music IS behind everything!

[@biancamunoz5125]

Lol

[@algini12]

....And then they went to Pompeii...ayaayaayaaaaa

[@maryjuchnevicius7075]

😂 this comment made me laugh out loud😅

[@johnzoller5944]

This Syphilis Pandemic video has become a big part of our family's Christmas tradition! We all gather around and watch during our Christmas meal. It truly brings us glad tidings of Great Joy!

[@nobodythatyouknow305]

Wth 😂

[@laraelliott2362]

😳🤭👍

[@janedoebean8599]

🤣🤣🤣

[@prima808]

Wtf!? 😅 Curious what you watch during Halloween? 🤔

[@chiragmehta8212]

Lpl😮

[@carlabroderick5508]

The interpretation of all this seems wrong to me as an MD. Friars often cared for the severely sick. They would not be above caring for syphilitics. A wealthy individual could have had syphilis and his family then paid for a propitious burial. He could also have become a friar himself before symptoms were severe. This puts syphilis in Europe 150 years earlier than believed. Most Europeans drank alcohol to avoid disease passed through water. Why these archeologists assume the friars were having drunken orgies is beyond me. I remember an MD friend of mine correcting me when I considered the effect of STD on the life of the ancients. I didn’t know syphilis was formerly thought to be absent from Europe until after Columbus. Taboos about sexual promiscuity are based partly on these diseases. Soldiers and sailors who travel are naturally susceptible.

[@ColonelSandersLite]

You'll probably be interested to know that various medical professionals and labs have looked into this and it's hot garbage. It just keeps popping up because of the sensationalism factor.

[@newt1834]

Carla Broderick exactly my thoughts, you spoke my mind especially about friars caring for the sick and drinking wine for lack of clean water.

[@footballskillstutorial2533]

Fantastic, my husband was a merchant seaman, explains alot 🙄🤔😜

[@Cristozen1]

@Mike Gee You make huge assumptions about LGBTQ people. Many are clergy themselves. Faith in Christ and God has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

[@alisterbennett]

That is pretty much what they say, but wanted to ramp up the misery and scandle.... Kind of dates the program (as does the sound, graphics and bloody old computer gear)

[@asullivan4047]

Interesting and informative. Special thanks to historians/medical personnel . Sharing personal information/knowledge making this documentary more authentic and possible.

[@scottstrain8388]

It was surprising to hear that some believed that syphilis had come TO Europe FROM the Americas; I'd learned that syphilis and gonorrhea were some of the "gifts" that European explorers brought to the Americas, along with smallpox, measles and others.

[@ggurks]

It is no question that syphilis existed in America before Columbus. The question is, did it also exist in Europe

[@b.f.3636]

@@ggurks yes

[@kidasingh820]

It's not a surprise to hear that was surprising is if you believe it!! The rewriting of History continues!!

[@kidasingh820]

@@ggurks where's your proof evidence commentaries documents.. or references!! You're full of it

[@adiposerex5150]

Why did these stupid humans have to troll this country?

[@thecraftycyborg9024]

Is that godawful noise supposed to be victims of tertiary syphilis screaming as they die in agony? Because it sounds like a deranged attempt at a pterodactyl scream...

[@berthaschwarze6704]

So how do you know what a pterodactyl sounds like?

[@dancingfirefly7761]

@@berthaschwarze6704 Perhaps, like me, they were alive when dinosaurs roamed the earth. 🦖🦕

[@danteduruisseau6854]

Corona Virus has taken me on a research mission of plagues, and sickness.

[@geoaviles6150]

Me too. Its been 3 days of nothing but black plague and diseases like this one documentaries. My brain is not taking our current pandemic situation well

[@romella_karmey]

I'd rather drink Corona than think of that another Corona.

[@fionafiona1146]

@@romella_karmey Syphilis is too convenient to treat.

[@mrst7787]

I'm fast becoming a history buff as a result of quarentine.

[@danilasad]

Lol me too

[@alcyonemusica]

There has been a recent skeletal discovery in the Yucatan Peninsula dating over 9,900 years ago of a 30 year old woman who had Treponema peritonitis, a disease related to syphilis.

[@thehangmansdaughter1120]

Really? Fascinating. DO you know of any docos on the subject?

[@thecraftycyborg9024]

I have a skeletal disease called Monostotic Fibrous Dysplasia in my right femoral neck. What that means is that very top of my thigh bone, up by the ball of the hip, is hollow. The bone was eaten away and destroyed due to a genetic anomaly. I’ve had multiple bone graft surgeries to the spot. And let me just say, crappy, rotting bones *hurt*! I’m lucky in that my cyst is now stable and I only had serious pain from it for a few years (though I was left with major pain issues from the surgeries and fractures, but that’s another story). But I always cringe when I hear about bone issues like they described in the beginning because I know how annoying and painful they are.

[@missieclassy]

Wow! Thanks for sharing a modern day example of something that describes how painful tertiary syphilis could have been. It must have been awful having no cure or effective means of surgery or relief from things like this and genetic conditions like yours - which undoubtedly also existed through time too. Thank you and healing thoughts

[@Devboneee]

I hope you have a spectacular life

[@beckyenglish4783]

How awful. Best of luck to you.

[@michelecherek5392]

WHEW!! I'm so sorry u have to deal with that!🙏💖

[@jjbentley9]

Sorry you have to experience that hope you're doing ok.

[@emagneticfield]

The monks and monasteries were the long term care facilities of that time. It afforded the seclusion and necessary health care services for most likely the rich merchants and when they died what wealth they had was endowed to the monastery. This would definitely explain why so many skeletons had signs of serious disease. We shouldn’t assume these were the bones of the monks but instead their patients. Most healthcare was provided by the local herbal healers or barbers or veterinarians especially for the poor. Trained and licensed doctors or hospitals were rare unless you lived in a large city.

[@pageribe2399]

And the medical training back then didn't amount to much.

[@jaggerxl]

Shouldn't discount monks being apart of the skeletons either

[@gabe_2544]

Excellent information.

[@MM-op6ti]

Yeah this documentary makes a lot of assumptions about the friars, good otherwise.

[@Heavyisthecrown]

First thing I thought. Since there were so many with such advanced disease. I bet they went there for care and to die

[@stewiebalew6446]

Came for the syphilis bones, stayed for the strangest soundtrack I've ever witnessed on a documentary.

[@Thewholetree]

The same soundtrack is overused on the secrets of the Dead series as well

[@LucyWynder29er]

Yeah? What's wrong with that? It's good, it creates an atmosphere :D it's a jolly good, British early naughties/nineties documentary, youve got to admit us Brits do documentaries like no other

[@LucyWynder29er]

@Trea-pl4xr yes, I do realise this, lol. Sorry, you can't put inflections on comments I understand.. If I was speaking those words I would be saying them like: "yeaahhh? It's good! It creates an atmosphere!" If you see what I mean?

[@LucyWynder29er]

@Trea-pl4xr I have adjusted my comment accordingly.

[@Myr25636]

The composer just dropped acid.

[@NPC8087]

Years ago as a key data operator my state agency was contracted to enter death certificates from the early 1900s into a computer data base. So many of the death certificates after WWI were of veterans who died of syphilis. It was incredibly sad.

[@riggs20]

I can't imagine how much pain this man (skeleton #1216) must have been in. The lesions ate through his flesh *and* through his bones! I hadn't realized how truly bad syphilis could be!

[@magneticflux7833]

Me either

[@chachas895]

Yes verry painfull

[@booth2710]

Said to be the disease of kings ..

[@LeiGullyBrunette]

There's something to be said for monogamy.

[@angelgering2501]

So the Friars and people were sinners like the rest of us. I cannot judge them. I have pity on their poor souls. What horrible suffering.

[@NLDTSTUDIOS]

Can we not have the screams of the damned in the back ground!

[@annunkitribe8994]

Lol

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

Lmao..."screams of the damned"...i thought the same, it was like a bondage soundtrack.

[@MD-bk7ze]

NLDT STUDIOS lmao

[@48hd38]

@@ernestscribbler2294 fucktard!! What an answer!!

[@wayneirvine4392]

NLDT STUDIOS lol brilliant

[@ElenaGeorge1]

It can also be transmitted by mother to child in utero and at birth. It is a body fluid transmission, so it can also be contracted when coming into contact with contaminated blood or other body fluids. If the monks treated the sick, they could have contracted it w/o sexual contact.

[@emilymccarty6343]

😳 wow that must of been horrifying

[@muddyhotdog4103]

Those bones have been shown to not be syphillis. This documentary and the studies behind it have been debunked, it was even heavily criticized by the scientific community as soon as it aired. And even more evidence and studies showing it to be false has come to light since that keeps building up.. Can't link on youtube but just search the scientific journal -The Science behind Pre-Columbian Evidence of Syphilis in Europe: Research by Documentary-. Phylogenetic studies indicated that syphilis seems to have emerged in the Americas since Treponema spp. evolutionary rates are compatible with pre-Columbian times and no evidence for European strains prior to the syphilis pandemic have been detected. Decoding the genetics of veneral syphillis was the smoking gun recently that pretty much proved to the scientific community that it was in the Americas long before it came to Europe. Yet the beggining of this documentary still claims to be "the true story of syphillis" lol

[@mfiorito5550]

@@muddyhotdog4103 Did they mention what this would have been then?

[@muddyhotdog4103]

@@mfiorito5550 it depends which bones we're talking about, but from what I remember without looking through the research again - the English monks were wrongly dated due to the high amount of fish in their diet or something like that(high fish diets mess with carbon dating, they where bones from early 1600s it turned out), and the bones in Roman era were some other type of bacterial infection after being studied by numerous experts in the field, I forget what but some form of leprosy if I remember correctly -edit:(the fact that a lot of the signs were on children was a huge red flag from the start since syphillis doesn't do that to bones until waaay down the line in the illness )

[@LathropLdST]

@@mike62mcmanus proof or it didn't happen.

[@chrisholbrook7117]

There is another explanation that is not mentioned here. Hull was a port town and it is possible that some sailors from there did a trans-Atlantic crossing 150 years before Columbus. The ship technology of the mid-thirteen hundreds was certainly good enough to make the trip, but navigation was uncertain enough that the survivors probably couldn't reliably retrace their steps. Especially if they were all sick with syphilis afterwards!

[@spraakkanon]

How about the norse? There was contact between America and Europe before Columbus.

[@Ag.mar.]

they later said that there was clear evidence of syphilis in Pompeii, thousands of years before Colombus

[@khiem1939]

True, but doubtful that the Norse were "porking" the warlike native populace! @@spraakkanon

[@buzzmooney2801]

Possible, but unlikely. And it wouldn't explain the cases in Pompeii:: The Ancient Romans were coastal sailors.

[@thehunzz]

​@@khiem1939 They might've porked the natives, Russ.

[@brendamarin3931]

I do not think that l have ever been more grateful to have not been living in those times than l am watching this. The suffering must have been so intense, so agonizing for those in the grips of this plague, for those in the midst of having their bodies shredded. l cannot even fathom having to endure this or worse yet, watching someone that l love struggle with it until they were taken. How horrifying.

[@soulsearch1234]

Yeah and that amplifies the cruelty of the Tuskegee experiment

[@mdhaynie]

What’s worse than all of those combined is the soundtrack used in this documentary.

[@brendamarin3931]

@@soulsearch1234 -Amen.

[@syasyaishavingfun]

Never go to prostitutes and if you are a woman make sure you marry a guy that don't go to prostitutes.

[@kidasingh820]

Yet hundreds 600 is supposed to be the number 400 were given syphilis, 200 was the control group.. with no regard to the people that they infected and the agonizing death that these people suffered.. on top of that no money was ever given to the families who are owed or should be given Millions.. and the doctors claimed that they were doing a noble thing for the sake of science.. even the black nurse who lured the people to their unsuspecting tragedies claimed that they would not get the medical care that they needed and other benefits if they had not been involved with the experiment.. these people were considered sane medical professionals!! Just like now!! You fill in the blanks!!🤔

[@MistyEry]

Wow, I have finally found the perfect soundtrack for my wedding ceremony. I’m also impressed that they were able to capture my morning groans /stretch.

[@juliechi6166]

Best comment ever.

[@johnsharp2162]

Hahaha.

[@davidmag808]

divorced now?

[@1CFcooper]

😂

[@trucid2]

A few more Wilhelm screams could've really cemented the mood.

[@aicc1728]

trucid2 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@winterweib]

Wilhelm? I thought they would yell 'Saville and Epstein-best buddies of our roooyaaaals ! '

[@elmersbalm5219]

@@winterweib it’s a stock soundeffect used too often in the pre-digital video age.

[@zubetp]

the editing on this was hilarious. from the eerie plunking tune from when things are Being Considered Very Seriously, to the moaning women of Feeling Very Sorry About Things, to the wailing roar of Pain Itself. i loved the way the guy describing venereal syphilis wafted out of the darkness and fixed me with a dramatic stare as his writings were narrated by the gentle italian man. i loved the way a person had to be lying down flat on their back on some rocks and then go invisible to demonstrate the concept of sleeping. i loved how many times i had to watch that monk spank himself as B roll. this is a masterpiece. bravo.

[@chandratownsend3891]

Reading the comments to decide if this is worth watching. I'm sold!

[@leahparker9033]

I love your analysis of the editing. I'm used to editors feeling they must add drama to keep people from clicking away from what the editors believe that most people would consider boring. It's too bad and completely unnecessary. The effect that irritated me was the screen blanking in and out with an electric arc sound effect. It made me think that my computer was malfunctioning. And I am wondering if the Pain scream is a variation on the Wilhelm scream.

[@Christina-bz3mo]

Having been a dental assistant, I'm amazed at how intact the teeth are in the Hull skeleton ....

[@dinealone0]

I need you to review every youtube documentary

[@zubetp]

@@dinealone0 don't encourage me. i'm incorrigible and i will do this.

[@bibble4135]

The person who did the soundscore for this documentary is probably reading the comments and crying 😂

[@Analiffey1916]

We’re feckin crying 😢 so it’s only fare this eejit should be crying too!!! 😉

[@dyembag]

@Charlie K lol right?

[@Wildcat5181]

@Mr. Freiheit That is not any of your business. They did jobs that no one else would for any amount of money including you,

[@IlGattoGialloCucina]

Or laughing 🤷

[@StayMadNobodycares]

@Mr. Freiheit wrote the soundscore.

[@peeweecoco]

I dont care how old those bones are...I would NOT touch that scourge with my bare hands

[@LoveShaysloco]

I know right since I'm a trained emt there first rule is scene safe bsi (body substance isolation) and I treat bsi as law on dead and living ozzie remaines wounds etc that not food

[@cpasta517]

Amen op… you could not pay me any amount of money to touch that

[@aaronhooker7588]

Rule of thumb for archeology: 1) Wear PPE (Personal Protective Equipment). It killed them, it will kill you too. 2) Avoid graves around 1918 AT ALL COSTS! Spanish flu went away because it killed too efficiently. No antibody or antibiotic will cure it.

[@paulstovall3777]

Ya just gotta love it when ignorance rears its' ugly head to insist on its' public outcry...

[@SosaSal_]

peeweecoco imagine having to explain to your husband/wife that you caught an STD from centuries year old bones?

[@elainedaprano9130]

I think there were likely outbreaks occurring even BEFORE they think. As with melanoma, syphilis was probably mistaken as leprosy. Sailors are buried at sea, so how would anyone know if they had it? No, i believe it's been around for centuries.

[@thetruth3768]

goes back to creation

[@NLBTUBE]

I think it's well-documented that it has been around for centuries.

[@dianeaustin2414]

Yep.

[@yvonnejones9940]

I agree. Syphilis is called "The Great Imposter" in medicine. Like Diabetes it can present like many other diseases. There are retrospective studies, that AIDS may have present many years before our present records. In short, it must be considered that if you aren't looking for something then you will or will not find it. So if you're not looking for certain diseases in ALL cultures, you won't find it because of skewing of info or just disregarding the info. Also, we have to consider social and religious pressures in how information is presented and/or relayed, and by whom. Remember history belongs to the conquerors.

[@kidasingh820]

Do making conjectures an accusation without a bit of evidence at least have an example of somebody who describe something that look like it but don't just say I believe and I think with no evidence your argument has no merit

[@Mrrossj01]

Syphilis can be transmitted by simply coming into contact with a lesion. It is not necessarily a sexually transmitted disease. The friars could have come into contact with it simply by caring for the sick.

[@Deano-Dron81]

Says that in the last few minutes of the video. No need to mention it again.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Who told you that and why do you believe them?

[@millieo7155]

I worked for an internal medicine practice. The secretary and I were dreading an appointment for our rudest patient. The doctor said his disposition was a consequence of long term Syphilis.

[@semiretired6033]

The music, if you want to call it that, along with all the other sound effects introduced into this interesting documentary was more disturbing than the content of this documentary. Leaving out the sound effects would have served this film better.

[@ChaimYosefMariateguiLeviPhD]

SEMIretired Actually it made things terrifying as expected

[@angelagm740]

Agreed!

[@AmBotanischenGarten]

Agreed.

[@errolneal9789]

"Who really gave syphilis to whom". This very question is still asked by some today lol!

[@luvmibratt]

🤔🤣🤣🤣

[@exploreandunravel5773]

Unlike CORONA virus ..🤣

[@DeeDee-hx1km]

The Native American women were not willing, I’m sure. ANd the real issue for all those “willing” freaks and even more willing “players “is to use protection

[@jennyRiherd5186]

🤣 This made me laugh!!! Love it!!!

[@antonymarjeram576]

Most people in the old world had poor environmental and there religious beliefs prevented them from using any form of contraception so they all had multiple forms of disease and zero antibiotics so syphilis wouldn't have time to show unless born with it

[@mikedebruyn]

One theory does not have to exclude the other. Remember there was prior contact the new world trough the Vikings and Hull is in the area that the Vikings were in as well. It might be pretty limited before because it was kept more regional compared to the time after Columbus when his man took it back as well.

[@reds1325]

Imagine the pain they went through :( I feel horrible for the people who had no relief from this. I couldn't imagine what the disease would feel like. But if it's eating ur bones that's horrible.

[@milixer1]

Atleast they did not have to hear the music of this documentary.

[@Lolliegoth]

Suffering from sever osteoporosis and arthritis I am glad I never had syphilis.

[@albertrussell4323]

Laceration on the skin and down to the bone.

[@mfiorito5550]

@@milixer1 oh jeeze hahaha

[@HigherWaysWoman]

@@milixer1 LMAO...!!!!!!! That's Comedy Gold ! :-D XD ;-)

[@StrayCatMatt]

Everyone’s complaining about the music while I’m too busy being blinded from the random bright white flashes

[@MauriceLeviejr]

Slow Ham this video could benefit from being sped up 7%

[@farawla19]

Slow Ham omg me too 😫 so annoying

[@o0gothique0o37]

I cast Healing Light!!!!

[@randombrokeperson]

As I read your comment, the very first one popped up.

[@penelop_e]

Epilepsy trigger warning 😭

[@christinescarff4920]

My GGF died of syphilis which he’d picked up while working for the British Army in Ireland. He died of what was then called ‘ the wasting disease ‘ in Rainhill psychiatric hospital ( the largest psychiatric hospital in the North of England ) shortly after admission there .

[@venkkooo]

I wonder what he was doing in Ireland?

[@christinescarff4920]

@@venkkooo Bashing up my mum’s catholic ancestors I suspect, who were starved out of Laois during the English engineered Irish potato ‘ famine ‘ ! Cos the syphilic one was a ‘ proddy dog ‘ , as was my dad , which is why ( truthfully ) my mum’s ‘ wonderful good catholic ‘ churchgoing family sent my dad to Coventry for the ENTIRE 24 years he lived after my mum died - just cos he wasn’t a bloody catholic ! Ha ha ha ! I’m a catholic but NEVER would have married one and HATE the institution of the Catholic Church and most Catholics I have ever met, cos they’re bloody bigots !

[@goldensloth7]

not any good... @@venkkooo

[@orcuttcat]

​@@venkkoooa lot

[@carmenodp6327]

​@@orcuttcatalot? Alot of trouble.

[@chatterboxblonde6095]

Whoever added the music and sounds must have just flung themselves on the soundboard and hoped for the best😂

[@pozowbologi5793]

Legit 😭

[@RacinJsn]

Syphilis is not explicitly a venerial disease, it is transmitted by direct blood to blood contact, so why didn't you connect it with the whipping rods?

[@rozaroza6909]

Syphilis is venereal disease also very dangerous in today's times because it survives its renaissance through the promotion of the so-called "free love" does not talk about it almost NEVER and is in incurable practice

[@tihzho]

So how was the first one infected?

[@pug2322]

Jason Bristol the monks were drunk and bumming just like they do today!

[@MostPowerfulPMofIndia]

Hm

[@Kari.F.]

@@rozaroza6909 Maybe you have heard about antibiotics...? Nobody has died from syphilis in the developed world for God knows how many decades. Incurable you say? Nobody ever talks about it? Medical professionals talk about it. The fact that YOU never talk about quantum physics or aquatic microorganisms at your family get-togethers doesn't mean that nobody talks about it.

[@lisasj8335]

I have to go with Charlotte, not George. She has my vote. I think that Syphilis has been around a lot longer then George thinks.

[@bunnymad5049]

Agree with you on that.

[@deborahstroman2987]

He showed his stupidity by not being able to control his emotions , oh and towards a woman scientist.

[@CowMaster9001]

Has her Carbon Dating accounted for the "Deep Carbon" of people who eat lots of seafood?

[@shinyhappypeople9043]

@@deborahstroman2987 yeah, he needs to let go of his prejudices if he truly wants to be a good academic.

[@tuckergingher]

Lisa's J Yes you are correct. Syphilis has been found in the skeleton remains in Pompeii. Mount Vesuvius erupted in AD 79.

[@psyclotronxx3083]

Seems to me that one skeleton that had syphilis prior to1492 is enough to say that, yes, it was present in Europe before Columbus.

[@staciabelcher28]

Like they won't let it go

[@rhondawiggins5728]

?

[@DovebeholdenChrist]

right

[@bunnyjai3267]

Psyclotron xx so now we are to believe syphillis came from native Americans, no.

[@JoeZyzyx]

Came from sheep.

[@kenziereed9263]

You wouldn’t have thought just seeing someone who had syphilis how deeply the damage was going I had no idea how it was eating away at the bone 😢 what excruciating pain.. I heard on another video that death would have been a relief from the horrible suffering and it just made me realize how truly painful this disease was.

[@need2zipit]

10th Century - The Vikings: The Vikings' early expeditions to North America are well documented and accepted as historical fact by most scholars. Around the year 1000 A.D., the Viking explorer Leif Erikson, son of Erik the Red, sailed to a place he called "Vinland," in what is now the Canadian province of Newfoundland, they fail to mention Columbus was not the first.

[@suenetteedwards5965]

In Leif's daily logs he talked about large, hairy and extremely strong (not to mention bad tempered) "men". The creatures actually for Leif and his men to leave sooner than planned. The first written account of Sasquatch a.k.a Bigfoot.

[@berthaschwarze6704]

Suenette Edwards but vikings weren’t afraid of anything. They probably brought Sasquatch home with them

[@suenetteedwards5965]

@@berthaschwarze6704 I must believe that your statement was made in jest. Yes, the Vikings were some of the most talented and brave warriors ever to roam the planet. Yet, in Leif's ship logs indicated differently. He speaks of their stealth in coming upon the men and their complete butchery of his men. I tend to rely on his first hand accounts of the findings and subsequent battles with the Ape Men.

[@tgferg67]

If there was no map for Columbus to use - it was not fully "discovered".

[@jarehelt]

Neither did the vikings, the Natives discovered America

[@GenerationJonesi]

There were 2 children's skeletons found in Pompeii that showed signs of congenital syphilis. It had probably been around for ages in the known world, not just the Americas.

[@Frank-dv4zu]

this is apparently not proven and some scientists think that the lesions in pompeii could have been caused by leprosy and not syphilis.....so more research seems to be needed.

[@GenerationJonesi]

@@Frank-dv4zu There were a few hypothesis regarding the lesions on the bones. Should be interesting to see what answers we have in the future. :)

[@Kade5251]

Were they male or female?

[@GenerationJonesi]

@@Kade5251 I'm not sure. It was a documentary with Mary Beard. They noted that the children had been well cared for but had lesions on their bones. They were fairly young. :)

[@Kade5251]

@@GenerationJonesi Thank you, I'd definitely look more into it as well.

[@ingriddubbel8468]

George is a careless scholar. He refutes evidence because it counters his thesis.

[@jerryg3524]

George R. Melagus seems to be typical of a prejudiced scholar, not very scientific

[@bookworm1616]

@Marc Right Even if there is a single case of syphilis prior to 1492, when Colombus went to the Americas, then that means it was not his fault. It still could have come from the Americas since there is now evidence of Europeans in the Americas before 1492, meaning it still could have come from the Americas, just not from Colombus. Also, his body language with her showed a man who is stubborn and unwilling to give up his claims lightly. He even said the bones likely were from someone who had syphilis and the bones were found to be from between the years of 1300-1420. He in a way dug his own grave.

[@dougcollum6653]

Ingrid and Jerry I totally agree with you both,this happens far to often when persons of science archeologists etcetera are stuck in their old ways and refuse to change thier views or way of thinking even when facts are staring them right in the face...........and Marc it looks like you only watched a minute or two of the doc because George was proved wrong. Exellent documentary except for the background "music ".....weird.

[@algrayson8965]

@@jerryg3524 - Like evolutionists, climatechangeites and other religionists?

[@DollnAbox]

Marc Right Why are you so hostile?

[@synthiamcbride7194]

This documentary is almost unwatchable with the bizarre, disruptive, distracting background music.

[@bloodybonescomic]

Fascinating history. It seems that syphillus was in Europe over a century before the "new world" was discovered.

[@sank5589]

George just doesn't want to be wrong about his writings.

[@brianqrcode1673]

exactly even if 3 are there before then it was there before

[@valethewolf49]

Charlotte handles each piece of the skeleton with such grace.. You can tell She really loves what She does & has reverence for life ♥️

[@wildflowers5555]

She should where Gloves, no matter what I would think.

[@Doo_Doo_Patrol]

Desecration

[@paulamahaffey4564]

Just bones.......the soul is gone ..

[@paulamahaffey4564]

Hoped they killed all bacteria before handling the bones though...🙄

[@auldinejohnson3213]

Vale the Wolf. She may like what she does. As for me personally, I would use gloves to touch those bones etc.

[@gailjoe7217]

It is a fascinating and thought provoking documentary the whole way through.

[@guitaryst]

After watching 25 minutes of this I felt compelled to comment on the absolutely terrible music and sound fx. After reading comments, it appears I don't need to.

[@hans2406]

Then why do you do?

[@guitaryst]

@@hans2406 So you will have something to contribute.

[@gurryshark6027]

David Nash Am I the only one not complaining about the background music? .....hello?......hellooouuuu? Guess l am.

[@mikefoehr235]

I loved the sound effects...makes syphilis more scary

[@ferociousgumby]

Why am I watching this? To distract myself from the coronavirus.

[@didimean]

You should go out and get syphilis willingly - that would really take your mind off the Corona Virus

[@spottedbutt]

HAHA

[@sagacioussolace7827]

ferociousgumby same. Here ;))

[@angelesoleil3643]

lmfao!! guilty

[@elizabethsteer6883]

Same. One day people will be watching a documentary about us and the corona virus like we're watching this one.

[@rockyroad7345]

Imagine this man spent years of work on a theory just to have it blown to smithereens in an instant. Science is always evolving...there is no denying it. Fascinating show.

[@latifahgordeeva6198]

That's why I hate when people say the science is settled.

[@indridcold8433]

Theory is not science. It may involve some science. But theory is nothing but a guess using some science and conjecture.

[@eugenecrawford14]

That's why fauci is always wrong and the sheeple are scared

[@leagarner3675]

@@eugenecrawford14sorry, it's you who is frightened. You are projecting your emotions on others. I got my vacc early and moved on..thanks to science.

[@eugenecrawford14]

@@leagarner3675 what the he'll are you talking about Dumb as s I am not frightened of anything Ms projecting communist

[@micksherman7709]

CONGRATULATIONS! You have reported as a new discovery a conjecture that I read about 40 years ago! Basically the author speculated that the non-fatal form of the pathogen's activity (which in fact is a disease called yaws) mutated in Europe because the little Ice Age caused more covering up and led the little varmints to mutate to transmitting through the mucous membranes of the sexual organs. I note however, that there was nothing in the documentary to explain this big explosion in 1495 Naples. Btw, it wasn't just Europe: by 1505 it had reached Japan.

[@denisekelsey5144]

The soundtrack needs more cowbell.

[@rastamuff1]

You MUST listen to techno....

[@RoseSharon7777]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭🤭

[@markntexas8265]

There is zero amount of cowbell that will help this soundtrack

[@markntexas8265]

@@rastamuff1 then he would have said 808 Base

[@thebestusername5852]

That caught me totally off guard 😂😂😂

[@Ooferoni]

THAT WEIRD FLY SOUND EVERY 5 MINUTES, YEAH NO. THATS GOTTA STOP

[@Antzy0001]

It's the sound of disease.

[@adrianmartin6974]

Sounds like an ark welder

[@shockandawe7274]

It's part of the brainwash.

[@polishpat95]

"YEAH NO" ??? You mean No yes, yes yes no yes.... YES????

[@annunkitribe8994]

😂

[@TheExvangelicalCat]

"so what kind of religious community was this?" The fun kind apparently.

[@usalives2562]

Jasmine Starcher Yaasssssss 😃

[@fresh5959]

I was thinking they may have been taking care of them as they was in need I’m not even sure if they knew it was a STD at this time

[@demariowilliams8]

You look like you would love to be apart of perverted cult! Probably have syphilis already?

[@mrs.dr.spencerreid3992]

Jasmine Starcher ~ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Kitiwake]

The kind that cared for the dying.

[@annbrown9273]

Does anyone else have a problem with people digging up someone's skeleton and using it for scientific or historical work? This was once a person who lived, although they lived a long time ago. How many people would be comfortable with a loved one's or their own grave being dug up 50-100+ years in the future, and have someone fiddling with their head cavity as if it's just a curious object someone found in a junkyard vs. allowing the remains to RIP? Yes, we can learn from human remains, but who are we to unearth people's graves and mess with their bones?

[@daylehudson6810]

Good point but i thought it was done to solve crimes

[@lyratizona1420]

There is something messed-up about how they died without being able to conceive of what could be done to them today. Personally, it doesn't bother me because I don't believe in life after death. They get blissful oblivion, we have to live in our modern world. But if you believe in an afterlife, I'm sure you could imagine that they reach a sacred, bodiless state that's powerful enough to transcend and leave behind any worldly desecration. I'm not going to start campaigning myself for them to stop, but it would be nice if, say, they would give them some kind of name instead of calling them things like "skeleton 1216."

[@zoeye7095]

Wow, that one guy REALLY didn't want to be wrong. He totally agreed that the bones showed signs of syphilis but was like... nope, it's not possible.

[@ktcooki276]

Hey! You got.top commemt.even though it was relatively new, and there's some with time of.likes, and some newer?! Weird!

[@ktcooki276]

Jeez...sorry for my terrible errors!! Hope you got my drift!!

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

The bones showed evidence - time to do some retro research perhaps?

[@Noneofyourbusiness57817]

that’s how many scientists are

[@Rusty_Gold85]

He will fade to the background if he is proved different . The evidence of that one carbon dated body is ample proof !

[@helensarkisian7491]

Until this documentary, I had never heard of the theory that the indigenous peoples of the Americas had given syphilis to Columbus. Instead, I’ve known for decades that Columbus brought it to the Americas.

[@Tom-mu7zy]

I thought that disease came over on the captain's dinge.

[@dannywlm63]

Nobody had ,only thing I have heard of is small pox blankets

[@LATAMxBUKELE]

Columbus and his old boys literally screwed it all up- taking much disease in more ways than one. I recall that in the first grade we celebrated Thanksgiving. That was really cool; one teacher so anxious to set the story straight told us a bit more than the principle Principal had bargained. We were told how Columbus raped women, beat, killed and abused the people. So, I never thought of Columbus as a hero but a criminal maggot. When Mrs Blue- the Principal showed up, the teacher speaking to all the kids was told to leave the classroom and never heard of again; so I am really glad someone left this same message here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3achWmLjMZ3iKM Thanksgiving is still one of my favorite holidays celebrations but NOT AT ALL due to New World Old World relations.

[@erinobrien8408]

Same here. 9 years of medical studies at university and I had never heard of this theory. I had heard an instructor say that syphilis started in sheep...

[@sapphire1817]

Thank you! How I see it, is they don't want to admit that where they originate from brought this vastly disease to innocent people and quite sickening to think of but I also believe they could have don't it deliberately to kill off the natives too.

[@jasminsmith1388]

I swear an intern was in charge of the music selection 😂😐 it doesn't suit the documentary at all.

[@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362]

jasmin smith oh I think it does perfectly

[@lambd01d]

I found it jarring as well.

[@pepethefrog6950]

0:46 u can see his peepee

[@OldSkoolASMR]

It's really not necessary to have that music. It's jarring to be sure.

[@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362]

Bredah Jake Gladys Knight and the pips?

[@Sm00ve83]

Are all those annoying noises really needed?? This was a very interesting video, but it would've been better without the same weird, out of context noises throughout the video

[@rokess5053]

Yea, very off-putting, I quit watching.

[@danielj1063]

... makin' me itchy 🤨 😮

[@itshalo837]

I don’t really understand why they’re not wearing gloves

[@tulockthewerewolf9744]

No kidding

[@davidimhoff2118]

Because they are dead. The disease is sexually transmitted and they are old bones. It's just like picking up a rock. Bones aren't anything to be afraid of.

[@Fairyviewroad]

Because they are scientists & know what they're doing.

[@dagmarsigridmanondenijs-bl7156]

archaeologymuseum.ca/gloves/ #5: Wearing gloves is necessary when handling bone. Answer: Fact! Whenever bones of any kind are being handled it is nessissary to wear gloves, not only for the artifacts protection, but also for the handlers. Bones can contain bacteria, while most of the time the bacteria has vanished, traces can still be present which can get someone sick! Further, bones are sensitive material that can be deteriorated by the oils in your hands.

[@itshalo837]

David Imhoff I was thinking more about contamination with oils on our hands and stuff like that

[@chainoad]

What's with the idiotic sound effects (howls, growls, etc.)? Is this a documentary or a B movie?

[@davidgreen5099]

chainoad yes.

[@seanawallace8350]

Right?? Not necessary

[@melbags9789]

I thought there might be a hidden meaning in the howls & growls ...Is Bigfoot the culprit !! 🤔😲😂

[@deborahstroman2987]

I know, I almost can't watch it . The sound ruins it!

[@mikeycbaby]

The music is sometimes jarring.

[@GlassDeviant]

I'd like to know the person responsible for the seizure-inducing flashes of light and sizzling electric sounds used as transitions.

[@shysensei2348]

Ikr ?

[@GlassDeviant]

I managed to avoid having one by not watching the entire video, but after seeing 3 of them I could feel one coming on. I had to go drink some cool water and lay down in bed with the room in complete darkness for close to an hour before I knew I had managed to avoid one (perhaps, I might have had a little one and not remembered it afterwards).

[@kerrylattimore2684]

i'd like to give them syphilis.

[@roccomepose8130]

@@GlassDeviant Oh man, you are being literal. I hope you faired well after your near episode. Have you ever tried cbd treatments? I have talked to people who have been seriously helped or cured themselves of similar disorders using that in different forms.

[@GlassDeviant]

I take CBD oil for fibromyalgia. Honestly the seizures are so rare I mostly forget that I get them, until some idiot like this posts some stupid video with extreme flashing lights. Only one game I have played in a great many years ever threatened to set me off, and the devs were kind enough to completely change the game mechanism in question to prevent the problem (shout out to Stardock and the Star Control: Origins devs specifically).

[@happyexpat6817]

George, pretty much, embarrasses me, as an American. For him, this is not learning something for the sake of humanity, but seemingly a competition that the blame should not be given to white Europeans but to Native Americans, mostly in Aztec and Inca peoples. Then science that is to help humaity becomes a competition, we all lose.

[@Lilith-df8wd]

You’d be surprised how common it still is. I work in the medical field and people test positive all the time.

[@betsywoolbright8059]

my husband knew a guy who'd been treated either twice or three times for the syphilis he kept catching from the same woman.

[@jakecavendish3470]

A few of my friends have had it

[@tamathacooper]

My sister had it so bad her hair was missing in patches 😮

[@christigoth]

do you guys have to report the statistics to the government?

[@elisasbroadcast4889]

@@betsywoolbright8059I read that syphills stays in the body forever people who are treated have to check their levels for it every couple years

[@user-hg1oj4op3z]

the visual effects of the “medieval” scenes in this are some of the most bizarre and surreal things I’ve ever seen. As terrible as they are, they genuinely feel like dreams fully realized on camera.

[@mrgadget1485]

I was just thinking the same. Some fantastic illustrations!

[@carriertaiyo2694]

One thing to keep in mind is that Colombus wasn't the first time the old and new worlds had collided. The Vikings, the Chinese, and the Polynesians all visited the Americas before Colombus.

[@js70371]

The ancient Phoenicians/Carthaginians were likely the first all the back in the last half of the 1st millennium BC.

[@richardlafleur2864]

Clearly they never fugged the natives while there

[@darwinmonzingo9738]

brilliantly said as the truth most know but subconsciously ignore

[@charlesmills6621]

Maybe.

[@Hiram1000]

As did a group of Irish monks let by Brendan. . As depicted in art and literature in the 8th and 9th century.

[@curiouslyt2123]

A smiley face! At 4:31 while talking about recognizing syphilis showing up on bone, the camera scaled up a leg bone to a smiley face indentation? Or pumpkin head! 🎃 😯

[@joyciejd9673]

I knew syphilis was nasty but it is actually horrific. I love the mysterious etymology. This was a really interesting documentary. I’m subscribing.

[@enrique4459]

I like your style

[@joeschmoe21]

One form of syphilis is horrific. The other form is harmless. When we cleaned up our lives, we stopped getting the harmless form, and the immunity it gave. Not that different from Covid. In poor countries, like Bangladesh, children are exposed to all sorts of diseases. If they survive, they have super immunity. When Covid came, Bangladesh and India hardly had any deaths (30 per 100,000 compared to 300 per 100,000 in USA). But of course, you would not know that from our media which aggressively censors the low fatality rates in India, Bangladesh etc.

[@easyhair4health]

They have better documentaries than this one

[@TiempoNuevo-ew7ty]

Let's not forget that Columbus was not the first European to travel to the Americas.

[@janeadelaidelennox7193]

Tiempo Nuevo I know, this documentary uses very inaccurate language and makes some very inaccurate implications

[@deeplorable8988]

@ Yes it does, you gave it to the first explorers. Probably the Vikings in the 11th century....

[@user-dd7fw8ox3c]

Vikings had a settlement

@@user-dd7fw8ox3c AND, IT MEANS NOTHING WHEN THEY WERE MORALLY OUT OF TOUCH. AND, THAT REALLY SETTLES IT FOR ME

[@ImpressDivinity]

Okay but they found a Roman in 90 AD so it's more likely that it was given to the natives by the said vikings and so when Columbus came they had it.

[@Abyssal2808]

Its insane to see how people lived back then, and its crazy that we've came so far. The germ theory didn't even come until the 1850's, so these people had pretty much no concept of how this and other major diseases spread. Terrifying!

[@deee5520]

Yeah. Now days all we have to worry about is the Wuhan virus. 🙄. Wonder what they will say about us in a couple of thousand of years. Was it fauchi who was to blame? Or the Chinese. .

[@Howto-uy7vo]

I wonder what things we do now, that they will find in the future is either dangerous or disgusting. I don't mean the obvious, I mean things we are completely oblivious about, like how they were o living about germs in the past.

[@MrSeekerOfPeace]

@@Howto-uy7vo in about 500-1000 years the powers that be will likely eliminate natural reproduction and genetically engineer every person like Brave New World.

[@Number704]

I know the 90's was a rough time.

[@anonymoususer3888]

@@Howto-uy7vo I know right? I wonder about that sometimes too

[@dessiewatkins1006]

Science as a human institution, is wonderous. Preserving the truth is priceless. Being objective as you follow the clues left behind by the truth is a necessity.

[@mybraineatseverything7404]

Narrator: ..and they were, of course, celibate. Me: Well, SOMEBODY wasn't!

[@karenburrows9184]

The Catholic church only issued the compulsory holy orders celibacy decree at the Second Lateran Council 1139. Previous to (and somewhat after) that, it was not uncommon for priests to have mistresses and wives. Marriage (known as matrimony within the church) became a sacrement in 1184, at the Council of Verona, enacted as a condemnation of the Cathars.

[@jandrews6254]

karen Burrows and of course they bonked themselves silly at all times

[@augustusmcgovern6084]

@@karenburrows9184 but these were friars. IF the "60%" was mainly friars is implied to be doubtful. Friars were a different animal than priests. Your citing is accurate without doubt. Prior to the decree priests could will their possessions to family.

[@augustusmcgovern6084]

@@jandrews6254 They were still human. Again, if, it was the friars that made up that 60% of the bodies found with lesions.

[@t.l.1610]

MyBrainEatsEverything LOL! Yep. Instead of the immaculate conception, we have the immaculate infection. 🙄*Snickering*

[@bookworm1616]

That one researcher is extremely defensive about syphilis being from America. Even his body language when he first met the woman was that of someone who believes they are superior. He was quick to try and backtrack with his claims of the bones having syphilis. He said they had obvious signs of the disease. The carbon dating said they are from between the years of 1300-1420. Columbus does not go to the Americas until 1492. That is still at least one case of syphilis at least 70 years before him. The way I see it is even if there is only one case of syphilis prior to Columbus, that still means it was there before he came along. Also, as they said in the documentary if you believe a disease is not around in a certain time period, you are not going to look for it and will miss obvious signs or will attribute them to something else.

[@babalaw38]

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[@babalaw38]

www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/study-reveals-culprit-behind-piltdown-man-one-science-s-most-famous-hoaxes

[@JeanJacquesNantel]

Don't forget that the Vikings, who didn't bring women with them, explored the Americas in the tenth century and often went back to Europe. Did they bring back syphilis with them? Science will tell someday.

[@marciaosullivan3200]

Vikings might of brought it back in 1100

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

Suddenly, he isn't the expert.

[@davidhatred8938]

why isn't this called revenge of the syph?

[@katpoohtoo]

Ugh!! LOL!

[@itsmekimmielc]

A good enuf comment to make me comment

[@franksavage8031]

HA! 👹

[@TheHungryTrio]

IKR lol

[@therainbowwillow4453]

david hatred They missed a great opportunity

[@telluwide5553]

I love the meeting and the reception she got from a man who knew that 30 years of work on a theory was about to be crushed. Obviously, he wasn't going to be "convinced"... He's a perfect example of someone who's so invested in theory to the point of deniability than the actual evidence, which clearly states the truth disproving his life's work and stature in his little community..

[@supertrw]

I think it could have been as simple as the Friers caring for those dying of the sexually transmitted disease, much like a hospice during the height of the aids epidemic.

[@fionafiona1146]

Or whipping them self's with contaminated sticks.

[@Secter84]

@@fionafiona1146 Indeed!

[@prekcop]

I came to this conclusion after Catholic me ran wild with the thoughts of all theses freaky fryers doing who knows what to each other and the towns people .... then I said wait focus lol lol

[@fionafiona1146]

@Mike Gee Still bloody sticks/whips braking skin could do that

[@richardlahan7068]

Monks, friars and nuns had previous lives in "the world" before they took Holy Orders. Sometimes those lives caught up with them.

[@dunkndognuts9829]

I love how these goofs ignored completely the fact that Scandinavians had gone to North America before Columbus. Not only that, but the first skeletons were discovered in northeast England, in close proximity to (gasp) Scandinavia. Never let these people do your thinking for you, or tell you what conclusions you should come to.

[@karllove57]

It was an icelandic man who was first of europians to sail to america not a "Scandinavian". His name was Leifur Heppni or Leifur the Lucky. Greetings from Iceland.

[@karllove57]

@coinínbán Scandinavia consist of 5 countries. Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. It's like saying that Columbus was european. See the difference?

[@saucelujah5133]

@@dagmarsigridmanondenijs-bl7156 they are; north Americans, south Americans, and central Americans.

[@saucelujah5133]

They would just rather be labeled as their country of origin, ex.. Mexicans, Brazilians, Columbians. I would do some research lady.

[@charlottestreil5239]

I beg to differ.. it was the Polynesians who originated from south east asia who were travelling to and fro within the pacific exchanging goods for a good 2000 to 6000 years before he crossed the southern seas . It's all in the dna. Christopher Columbus did not discover America. History as you all know needs to be changed. I had a dna test to prove this as it covers the whole pacific right up to the American Incas who shared an ancestor with the Maoris of New Zealand.

[@HGandCulturalWasteland]

“Civilization means Syphilization”…best line in any online doc ever. 🤣

[@lisaw8980]

That was created by Edward Abey a great writer!

[@francinejones2524]

Amazing! Watching them uncover that whole site in Hull.

[@gabe-po9yi]

I don’t think anything will change that man’s mind, regardless of what he’s shown. When he said he doesn’t let facts get in his way he was only half joking. He believes what he believes.

[@archaic9525]

the danger to over-theorize in one's scientific work, and backup theories made up on a guess. Anti-atomist physicists (who were many) had a harsh revision term when Albert popped up with once and for all e=mc2.

[@gabe-po9yi]

@@archaic9525 Yes, and there’s the bias factor when they’re so set on proving what they already believe they disregard or misinterpret contradictory evidence.

[@pjsalesky5009]

Yep, that is how Religion has managed to hang around so long...

[@quiltqueen4318]

Yeah🤔....I thought I couldn't be the only person that noticed George moving the goal post and STILL refusing proof that HE ASKED FOR 😒🙄😤

[@gabe-po9yi]

@@quiltqueen4318 Moving the goal post describes it perfectly.

[@happygardener28]

I know it's too late to chime in on these experts opinions at 22:10 but there are several explanations that seemed to be ignored by their theories: 1) It was known among the professionals at the time that the Norse had been to the Americans long before Columbus so they either took syphilis to the Americans or brought it back before 1450. 2) The boy was born to a woman with syphilis and he was abandoned, or orphaned, and placed in the care of the church. 3) The most disagreeable option, but still likely, the boy may have been "used" by someone at the monastery as a child and contracted the disease there.

[@happygardener28]

@@GarrishChristopherRobin777 look as far back as the records in the bible. My issue is that people forget what it's convenient to forget to fit their theories.

[@finallythere100]

@@happygardener28 I was thinking the same thing. We really don't know the sources of the disease with these individuals. Since they were not a closed order, a friar could have gotten it on the outside, but cases could be due to other other. People could have come in with it, we have to think in terms of those times, when it was passed on congenitally and other ways, without the treatments we have today.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

@@finallythere100 The osteological lesions caused by Treponema sp. and other infectious disease parasites are similar, and treponeme lesions are most pronounced in advanced stages is the thing so it's rare. This documentary and the studies behind it were already debunked and heavily criticized by the scientific community as soon as it aired. Can't link on youtube but just search the scientific journal -The Science behind Pre-Columbian Evidence of Syphilis in Europe: Research by Documentary-. Phylogenetic studies indicated that syphilis seems to have emerged in the Americas since Treponema spp. evolutionary rates are compatible with pre-Columbian times and no evidence for European strains prior to the syphilis pandemic have been detected.

[@finallythere100]

@@muddyhotdog4103 - Thanks for sharing that info. Much scrutiny is in order.

[@sueprator9314]

@@muddyhotdog4103 So are you saying above that it WAS the indigenous peoples that get the blame? Seems odd to me.

[@Dingdongwitchisdead]

When I entered the military at 19 Fort Benning, GA still had a red light district right off post. I remember one guy that a bunch of the other guys took up a collection for so he could get his first lay. He got more than he bargained for as he came down with siphilis soon afterwards. One little decision can have devastating and long lasting effects.

[@clarlthompson643]

Victory Drive?

[@Dingdongwitchisdead]

@@clarlthompson643 Precisely! where the syphilis pandemic started. 😁

[@torres6490]

Well at least it goes away now.

[@toolguyslayer1]

@@torres6490 it just looks like it goes away if you have not been cured and cured in time it is still damaging your body at the very least your body is still suffering from the previous damage even if you get the cure Navy corpsman

[@Dingdongwitchisdead]

@@torres6490 I believe it is curable if caught in time. Left untreated, After a few weeks the symptoms go away but still attacks your brain.